Saturday Morning Open Thread: Sorrows of the Young Minions

Count on Politico to find the real victims this week. “Young Trumpies Hit D.C.… And D.C. hits them right back”

.. There’s always tension when administrations change in Washington; a new cast of characters arrives, and an influx of appointees, lobbyists and hangers-on have to stake out their own ground. But the era of Donald Trump is—as in so many respects—different.

Washington is a hipper city now than it’s ever been, a place where staffers, especially young staffers who want to drink and date and live normal millennial lives, would want to live. The problem is, if you work for Trump, it’s also more hostile territory than it’s ever been. The president campaigned against the very idea of “Washington,” slammed cities as “war zones” and ran a racially charged campaign whose coded messages weren’t lost on the diverse, Democratic-leaning residents of D.C.’s buzzing neighborhoods. The bar-filled areas that became synonymous with young Washington in the Obama era—Columbia Heights, Shaw, U Street, H Street—are full of anti-Trump T-shirts and street art. Even old Republican redoubts like Spring Valley in upper Northwest aren’t very Trump-friendly.

So, what’s a young Trumpie to do? Many still do live in D.C., and to understand what their lives here are like, we interviewed more than 30 millennial staffers from the Trump White House and across the administration, both current and former (many have already left), as well as a smattering of their friends and outside observers. Nearly all spoke on the condition of anonymity, to talk candidly about their personal lives or because they were not authorized by their bosses to comment. They told us their horror stories about being heckled on the street and their struggles to get a date. Unlike their predecessors, who made their mark on the city’s social scene, they largely keep to themselves, more likely to hop between intimate apartment gatherings than to hit the town. “Instead of folks looking outward,” explains one young White House aide, “more folks look inward.”

Faced with open antagonism, Trump’s millennials over the past year and a half have quietly settled on the margins: a stretch of Washington that spans from the Wharf—a shiny new development three blocks south of the National Mall—southeast along the Waterfront and into Navy Yard, on the banks of the Anacostia River. It’s a string of neighborhoods that peer out over the water, separated from most of the city by an interstate, and facing away from official Washington. It’s a bubble within the Washington bubble: Here, young Trump staffers mix largely with each other and enjoy the view from their rooftop pools, where they can feel far away from the District’s locals and the rest of its political class…

A resolutely generic bubble… sounds Trump-tastic!

Strictly the white-bread cover version…

(nothing against Jimmy Buffett, but Sam Cooke he ain’t).

183 replies
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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    My timing as usual sucks. Just posted this on the thread below:

    Question for the morning crew (when they arrive) I just read this twitter thread about what the administration’s plans are for the Federal Government

    The one thing that was glaring to me was the privatization of USPS. Isn’t that unconstitutional? I was under the impression that a postal service is one of the few governmental responsibilities which is actually laid out in the constitution. The rest of them have come through legislation (taxation etc.,). Anyhoo, just wondering what the jackals think about their “proposals”

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    burnspbesq says:

    Their proposals suck, bigly, in every material respect. They want to turn back the clock to the 1870s. If it weren’t for that Gol-darn 13th Amendment, they would re-institute slavery.

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    Eljai says:

    Deplorables can’t get a date. Gee, you’d think that being reviled might make one want to do some soul searching, but then that would require a soul. Good morning and good night all, I have to get up in six hours!

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Eljai: Good to hear the young ones don’t mince words about who they want to date and don’t want to date.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    A nice heaping helping of schadenfreude for breakfast, just what a growing boy needs.

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    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink says:

    Good morning ☺

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    sixthdoctor says:

    Speaking of schadenfreude…

    .@PressSec got kicked out of the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington, Va tonight. Apparently the owner didn’t want to serve her and her party out of moral conviction.— Brennan Gilmore (@brennanmgilmore) June 23, 2018

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    sukabi says:

    @sixthdoctor: delicious 😋.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Dead in the water.

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    Has someone got a violin? Preferably the world’s smallest. I need to play the world’s saddest song.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    It started as a leisurely jog along a Canadian beach on a cool spring evening. But it turned into a two-week nightmare after Cedella Roman accidentally veered across the US border and was seized by US border patrol agents.

    The French citizen was visiting her mother and studying English, when the family headed to White Rock, about an hour’s drive from Vancouver in May. As dusk approached, the 19-year-old went for a jog along the beach. She swerved on to a dirt path as the tide came in, stopping briefly to snap a photo of the stunning scenery before turning around to retrace her steps. It was then that she was confronted by two officers from the US border patrol.

    “An officer stopped me and started telling me I had crossed the border illegally,” Roman told Radio-Canada. “I told him I hadn’t done it on purpose, and that I didn’t understand what was happening.” She hadn’t seen any signs marking the border, she said. “I said to myself, well I may have crossed the border but they’ll probably only give me a fine, or they’ll tell me to go back to Canada or they’ll give me a warning.”


    In a statement, US Customs and Border Protection noted that anyone who enters the US outside an official port of entry is considered to have crossed the border illegally. “This applies regardless of whether or not the individual claims to have inadvertently crossed the border,” the department added.

    The fact that the border isn’t posted is a feature, not a bug.

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    sukabi says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: this keeps up the Canadians will build a wall, and Drumpf will pay for it.

    If the border isn’t marked, how are you supposed to know you’ve crossed it? Especially on a beach?

    Good thing she didn’t have any kids with her.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @sukabi: I think the CBP on our northern border are very bored. It is their way of giving themselves something to do.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @OzarkHillbilly, @sukabi:

    And to think we used to brag that our border with Canada was the longest undefended one in the world. Good times.

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    Mary says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I looked into this not to long ago, and I believe the Constitution says Congress is authorized to create a postal system, but it’s not mandatory. I’m not a constitutional lawyer, though.

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    p.a. says:

    They should quit their whining: I hear their Chancellery is actually well-equipped. Let em stay there 24/7. Hang out together. Maybe date the Army Group Steiner people.

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    SenyorDave says:

    I guess these poor snowflakes will just have to go it alone. There is an upside for society. If a young person is a Trump supporter it is probably better that they don’t reproduce.

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    henqiguai says:

    @burnspbesq (#2):

    If it weren’t for that Gol-darn 13th Amendment, they would re-institute slavery.

    Maybe they would *like* to re-institute it, but now we shoot back; aggressively and with malice aforethought (to any and all trying). And we’re really really pissy about any attempts to go back. Call it a historically learned quirk.

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    PPCLI says:

    Womp womp.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steeplejack: We were so naive back then, completely unaware of the nefarious scheming taking place in the maple groves and dairy barns just a stones throw away.

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    ET says:

    I don’t live too far from this area and have been suspicious of it. Now I know that I have even more reason to be….

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    henqiguai says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt (#1):

    The one thing that was glaring to me was the privatization of USPS.

    Conservatives have been bleating about this for years. I believe one of the fundamental objections by private industry is the actual cost of servicing all the communities, urban and rural and all in between; that *is* a Constitutional requirement in some manner. The likes of FedEx and UPS are good at long distance hauling and bulk deliveries to something like an office park, but to the myriad of neighborhoods in, say, an L.A. or my semi-rural town? Not really cost effective.

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    lowtechcyclist says:

    The thing that gets me about the dating troubles of young Trumpists is, why would you want to date people who hate what you are? From the article, it seems that hiding their Trumpism was a common reaction to their dating difficulties, but if they’re after a romantic relationship, such a basic divergence of values will kill things pretty quick.

    Maybe they’re dating mostly in the hopes of getting a quick fuck or two before their partner wises up to them. Which is pretty damn sleazy imho, but it would at least explain what they’re doing.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    “I’m not bad, I’m just drawn that way.” Who Framed Roger Rabbit? is 30 years old.

    Thirty years ago, Who Framed Roger Rabbit? was the freshest thing out: a big, bright, eye-popping all-purpose romp that was also darkly funny, suspenseful, touched by madness and even weirdly sexy. It made bank, won Oscars and blazed a trail for what future family films could look, sound and feel like. As glossily as studio animation has evolved in the intervening decades, it’s hard not to feel that Hollywood didn’t follow the flames. Forget it, Jake, it’s Toontown.

    I recently found a copy in the $5 dollar DVD bin at Walmart. I got so excited I did a happy dance all around my wife right there in the store. I love that movie.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @sixthdoctor: Gee whiz, who could have known that MLK’s dream of people being judged on the content of their character [and their actions] would finally come true during the brief reign of Deadbeat Donald and the Deplorables?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @lowtechcyclist: People are just so judgemental these days.

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    One of the very few occasions where I’m happy Disney did their thing of reversing the author’s intent. That book is BAD. Spoiler: A genie did it. Not a cartoon genie, a magic genie. If only magic was even mentioned before the last chapter.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NorthLeft12: If I ever form a punk rock band, I’m naming it Deadbeat Donald and the Deplorables.

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    Raven says:

    Well, the good news is that Lil Bit feels great and is bouncing off the walls for food. The bad news is that I can’t take her on our Saturday rounds, I hate leaving her.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: First, they came for mexicans.

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    delk says:

    Kind of fitting that they need/want to date outside their group. I mean who would want to date a fearful ignorant asshole after spending all day working with fearful ignorant assholes?

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    Nice. Trump administration staffers fucking the country while at work can’t get laid on their own time. Sounds like Karma is trying to clean up the gene pool.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Steeplejack: It is pretty much undefended on our side. Our Border Service agents were just recently [four years ago?] armed, in a very tight vote in their union. Some agents quit rather than carry.
    BTW, the reason for the arming of our agents was revealed in the next contract negotiation……now that the agents are armed and can make arrests, they want to paid as much as police officers. A $20K bump. It was never about security.
    I live on the other side of Port Huron, MI and awhile back about fifty US citizens [so they said] floated across the St. Clair River on inner tubes, air mattresses, and other inflated pool toys. The wind was very high and it pushed them over to our side. They were mostly drunk and of course without ID. They were rounded up, put on a bus and driven back to the US. I guess we took them at their word and I guess so did the US Border agents. How times have changed.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: Hopefully that is just a temporary restriction?

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    @Raven: Good news about Lil Bit.

    In good news, Paul McCartney is James Corden’s latest guest on car pool karaoke.

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    @NorthLeft12: When I was a kid, we crossed at the Blue Water Bridge all the time. We lived in Detroit, but my father’s family lived in Southampton, up on the Bruce Peninsula.

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    evodevo says:

    @henqiguai: Yes. This. There’s a huge financial reason why FexEx and Oops contract with us for “last mile” deliveries …we visit EVERY address every day, and there is NO cost effective way for them to do that. No, their wet dream is to take away the PO’s lucrative package delivery system and sell it off to FedEx & UPS (YOUR shipping rates would go up DRAMATICALLY, believe me), while mandating that WE keep the money-losing 1st, 2nd and 3rd class(junk mail) side of the business. They have been dancing around this for YEARS, and keep the Postal Commission packed with conservative idiots to boot, but so far have not been able to push this through.

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    arrieve says:

    I have a dream. I dream that anyone who in any way, however small, enabled or supported this administration and manages not to end up in an orange jumpsuit will still spend the rest of their lives facing scorn and derision whenever they show their faces in public. Children will laugh at them. Bakers will refuse to make their wedding cakes even if they find someone to marry. Cops will ticket them for littering the minute they step on a public thoroughfare. Restaurants will refuse to seat them. And the sweet sweet sinecures at the foundations and talking head jobs on Fox will all evaporate because no one will care what they pretend to believe and be willing to hear them drone on about it.

    It’s a small dream, but a good one.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Stopped clocks and all that, George Will:

    Amid the carnage of Republican misrule in Washington, there is this glimmer of good news: The family-shredding policy along the southern border, the most telegenic recent example of misrule, clarified something. Occurring less than 140 days before elections that can reshape Congress, the policy has given independents and temperate Republicans — these are probably expanding and contracting cohorts, respectively — fresh if redundant evidence for the principle by which they should vote.

    The principle: The congressional Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced. So substantially that their remnants, reduced to minorities, will be stripped of the Constitution’s Article I powers that they have been too invertebrate to use against the current wielder of Article II powers. They will then have leisure time to wonder why they worked so hard to achieve membership in a legislature whose unexercised muscles have atrophied because of people like them.

    I really wouldn’t bother reading the rest if one is prone to throwing things when confronted with self serving mendacious arguments used as assertions of superiority.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @arrieve: Dreams we’ll never see.

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    debbie says:

    Can we call them TrumpIncels?

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    hueyplong says:

    So it looks like the true “glimmer of hope” is for the species as we observe it refusing to mate with Trumpists so that the repugnant line will eventually die out.

    “Just Googled you and it said you were a mouthpiece for the Trump administration. Go fuck yourself.”

    Because no one else will. Bravo, homo sapiens.

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    debbie says:


    Deja vu all over again! Remember Iran’s detention of the three Americans hiking through the mountains?

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    debbie says:


    So glad to read she’s doing well!

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    PAM Dirac says:

    I notice that none of the questions were answered. I guess they wanted you to assume that all of them would be answered with “of course not!”, but the honest answers would be some kind of “race realist” drivel.

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    bemused says:

    Ah, the poor young trump staffers with so few places in DC to meet and find dates! I had to laugh watching msnbc last night when a staffer had revealed the name of an establishment where many feel safe to gather with compatible people. Maybe it’s just me but I thought staffers were blabbing too much by naming the few public bars where they feel comfortable to frequent with the possible consequence that those named bars won’t be comfort zones for them now?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    They want to be deplorable and dateable. Alas for them, It Doesn’t Work That Way.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Raven: Such good news about Lil Bit. Sorry she can’t join you this weekend. Isn’t it amazing what vets can do to help our companions? And us?

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    Kay says:

    Passengers waiting in line to board a regional Northeast bus line in Maine were asked if they were U.S. citizens by a Customs and Border Patrol officer.
    Concord Coach Lines issued a statement distancing themselves from Customs and Border Protection officers, who the company said have increasingly showed up at bus stops “without any forewarning.” Local stations in Bangor, Maine, WCSH-TV and WLBZ-TV, first reported the video, recorded by passenger Alec Larson, last month. A Border Patrol officer casually strolls up and down the boarding line, asking if people are U.S. citizens—something that’s been happening more frequently across the country over the past year.

    You don’t have to answer that, and these people know they don’t have to answer, but we need to know what the officers do if someone says “no”, because eventually someone will answer.

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    Immanentize says:

    Article 1, of the Constitution defines Congressional stuctures and powers; Section 8 of that article is a list of some of Congress’s specific powers; Clause 7 of that section includes the power —
    “To establish Post Offices and post Roads”

    So, it is a creation of Congress, and Congress certainly messed with it from time to time (like making it nearly insolvent by forcing pre-funding of pensions rather than running funding). So Congress could abolish it, but I don’t think it ever ever will because the people who most need it are represented by Republicans in our system tilted toward the rural.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    That scene in the nightclub is a classic, with the Donald Duck vs Daffy Duck piano duel and Jessica Rabbit’s song.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    That is why this group of deplorable men want some system created which assures them access to hot sex. Of course, prostitution has served that function throughout time, but our new deplorables are different. Superior! They should not have to suffer the indignity of paying for sex. It must be given freely. Or if not freely, it seems these assholes are suggesting, at least for free. The whole thing is chilling.

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    Mai naem mobile says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: when I saw that yesterday evening was when I just decided I can’t deal with this shit anymore. My outrage meter is full and cannot handle any more. I was talking to the sister of a guy who does some handyman work for us the other evening when Rachel was talking about Katrina and Condi Rice. This idiot who doesn’t know shit from shit was trying to defend Condi because Condi couldn’t have stopped a natural disaster. FYI she’s a hispanic green card holder,gay and in a biracial relationship and wants to foster/adopt a kid. The brother believes in the Rothschild conspiracy crap and I think this one believes in the Pizzagate stuff and.ofcourse that Hillary is going to chain her to a gurney and personally perform abortions. Fuck these stupid people.

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    debbie says:


    Even better: TrumpInCels = TICs!

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    debbie says:


    Nothing new. You’re too young to have ever experienced Manhattan’s First Avenue bars on Saturday nights.

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    Immanentize says:

    It’s perfect. Everyone knows TICs spread very bad diseases.

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie: That may be true, but I do know some wiseguys from Jersey. Same attitude without politics?

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    Kay says:


    The Trump Administration can’t manage reuniting 3200 children they kidnapped with their parents but they want to reorganize the whole government?

    There are 15,000 children in the foster care system in Ohio alone. We know where they are. Yet the entire Trump Administration can’t handle tracking the 3200 children they separated from their parents and then detained? Maybe they should hold off on putting in Jared Kushners reorg plan until they find some competent managers. Maybe cast a wider net- outside their immediate families.

    The GOP House member who opposed the child abuse said Trump should hire a “retired CEO or a general” to find these children and their parents. It doesn’t take a retired CEO or a general. It takes a minimally competent case manager and there are hundreds of them at the state level.

    The bar just keeps getting lower. They let Puerto Rico drown and that was portrayed as good work and now their inability to fix the problem they created with these children they orphaned is portrayed as something requiring extraordinary talent. It isn’t extraordinary to keep track of the kids you take into custody. It’s the rock bottom minimum requirement, and they failed.

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    msdc says:

    @bemused: What was the name? I want to be sure to avoid it.

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    Kay says:

    When states do abuse neglect and dependency evals on parents the first requirement for “fit” parents is they know where their children are. The Trump hires can’t even do that. They stepped into the shoes of these kid’s parents- that’s what “custodial” means- and they don’t know where the kids are or how to return them. States should step in and remove the children from the care of the Trump Administration- they’re unfit. They don’t pass the minimum qualification for acting as guardians of minors.

    You can’t misplace the wards. That’s Job One.

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    debbie says:


    Yep, with a Mommy complex thrown in.

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    MomSense says:


    Everyone buy wild blueberry futures. They don’t rake themselves. We have plenty of migrant labor camps up here.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @msdc: No no noooo… We need to invade it.

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    Geeno says:

    Who was it here that was talking shunning as punishment? I guess everything old is new again.

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    Kay says:


    It would be safest if a US citizen did the test and said “no” but I’m wondering if lying to them is actionable- it probably is- so maybe that’s too dangerous for our volunteer “no” person.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Kay: I think that it is clear that the point of all this chaos isn’t to reorganize the government or “make us safe”, it’s to break things. Remember that he said, “only I can fix it”. Remember that he said that a crash of the housing market would be a good thing because it would make it easy for him to buy stuff cheap. Remember that he has held onto the DC hotel so that people and countries will pay him tribute.

    He’s explicitly trying to cause chaos, to crash the national and international order because he thinks that is the path to increased power and wealth.

    Putting a competent social worker in charge of reuniting the families isn’t in the cards because he doesn’t want a competent policy. He wants to break stuff and have the masses beg him to fix it.

    The only way out is to win elections.

    Eyes on the prize…


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    zhena gogolia says:


    Oh, great that she’s feeling so much better!

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    Kay says:

    Maybe the Trump hires can get their parents to arrange their relationships. Half of them seem to have gotten the jobs thru their parents- why not relationships too? Boy, that competitive process Mike Pence’s son endured to land his job must have been brutal. Did dad get him his girlfriend too?

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    debbie says:


    Not without Mother’s approval! ;)

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    Kay says:

    @Another Scott:

    I just love how it’s now rote to say we need a “CEO or a general”. A CEO and a general made this mess- Trump and Kelly. How many times are they going to go back to their abject worship of CEO’s and generals? They cling to this “strong men” fantasy in a way that is absolutely archaic. They’re not strong. They’re not even competent.

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    Kay says:


    I think no one mentions the nepotism because everyone plans on getting their own kids high level jobs in the future, so it’s best to just keep it hush hush. We’re stuck with the Trumps forever. I hope everyone realizes that. Don Jr. will be tweeting conspiracy theories when he’s in his 80s and CNN will be covering it. They’re a permanent hire. We will never be rid of them. Their children will be working in DC, and then their children.

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    JPL says:

    The latest Michael Cohen news must have upset the asshole this morning, because he’s been tweeting about the witch hunt.

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    debbie says:


    And that they’re bloodsuckers!

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    Platonailedit says:

    Budget cuts from the Trump administration have required some prisons to use teachers, nurses and secretaries as backup security guards.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 23, 2018

    All those permanent tax cuts for the wealthy doing such wonders.

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    Kay says:

    I’m having a dinner party for my daughter’s high school friends tonight- it’s a group of girls, women now, and they live all over the country but they grew up here. They’re having an informal reunion. None of them live here, actually. Some are married but none have children.

    I’m curious what they think of Trump, whether growing up in such a conservative area makes them more likely to support him although they all live in urban areas now. I know where two stand- my daughter and one other friend- I know the one friend is anti-Trump because she went to the Cleveland gun control march and I saw her signs on social media, but I don’t know about the rest for sure. I won’t ask or raise it myself. I want them to be comfortable- I have been having parties for them since they were 2nd graders- I miss them- but I know it will come up among the group. I’ll just listen.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The Grovelling Lickspittles has a nice ring to it as well.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    Good morning, esteemed Juicers! I’ll go back up and read the thread from the start, but in the meantime, we’re deci-famous! That is, I was scrolling through wonkette and saw a photo of someone who looked a lot like Ms. O next to Beto. Clicked on the post and yes indeedy, it’s her (or she, for the pedants in the house), in the hat and bright yellow New Mexico t-shirt. I’m the sliver of yellow with the American flag on his left. In addition to showing solidarity with the Texans who were marching against the evil child separation policy, the yellow shirts were a great way to find each other in the crowd.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Nice Goethe reference in the title.

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    Dave says:

    @Kay: It’s same reason once you reach a certain level or born into it’s almost impossible to really fail. There will always be another executive VP or CEO or board position or what have you because if one can actually suffer for failure than well anyone can. Never applied to anyone below that level mind you. We need the incentive otherwise God know what the masses would get up to.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Very cool!

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Kay: Funny, I was raised that nepotism was probably the worst thing that a parent could do for their kids. My parents both railed about it [Mom more than Dad] and I never considered it for my kids either.
    My parents always believed finding your way in the working world on your own was very important. Sometimes not easy, but the journey was important too.

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    Since we’re temporarily tolerating Rick Wilson:

    Line I wanted to use in this article but can't fit: "Donald Trump is a soft creature, indolent, cosseted, and overfed. His matronly hips, gelatinous chin, gravid belly, and beans-and-rice-didn’t-miss him backside aren't alpha-male; they're pre-diabetic."— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) June 22, 2018

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    Thoughtful David says:

    @Another Scott:

    Putin’s explicitly trying to cause chaos, to crash the national and international order because he thinks that is the path to increased power and wealth.


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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: I like it.

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    @Dorothy Winsor:

    In good news, Paul McCartney is James Corden’s latest guest on car pool karaoke.

    I want the jukebox that they have in that bar.

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    Kay says:

    Jim Acosta
    Follow Follow @Acosta
    For the fourth straight day there was no WH briefing. No officials to explain how the admin plans to return the separated kids to their parents. This is how the briefing room looks.. a few reporters waiting for answers that aren’t coming yet

    I love newspapers- I buy three, local state and national, so I say this with a lot of regret but it’s better if they stop holding press conferences. The Trump Administration uses them to disseminate lies and no one seems to have come up with an effective way to handle that. They can’t rely on statements anymore- testimony. They need documents and records and documents and records don’t require people standing at podiums and other people asking them to speak. There are no credible witnesses in the Trump Administration. This method is a waste of time and often actually damaging to ‘the truth”. Time to scrap it and look for another method. As far as I’m concerned it has to be a taped deposition. The witnesses lie. Constantly.

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    Mandarama says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: That’s so awesome! Thank you both so much for being there.

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    Yarrow says:


    Who was it here that was talking shunning as punishment?

    I know I was one of them. These people should not be allowed in decent society. They should be shunned.

    It takes all of us to stand up and take a stand against the horror of this administration and what they are doing in our name. We do it in big ways and small.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: Being that it was set in LA, quite a bit was filmed here(the tunnel to Toontown is on the road to Griffith Observatory and the Hyperion Bridge is right by the site of the old Disney studio), but the Ink and Paint scenes were filmed in London close to White City.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Raven: Glad Lil Bit is doing so well! Yay!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: if we’re quoting the merely tolerable when they say something well

    Heard @ RadioFreeTom say on smerconish with SykesCharlie: Trump acts the way a weak man thinks a strong man would act, spends his money in ways a poor man thinks a rich man would, and says things that a dumb man thinks a smart man would say. That’s #QuoteOfTheWeek in my book.

    even after all this time, and knowing they would hoot and whoop and pick their knuckles up off the ground to applaud if he called them all stupid*, it still amazes me that they cheer when he whines/brags about all the reasons he should be the elite they all pretend to despise

    “You ever notice they always call the other side ‘the elite’?” Trump asked. “The elite! Why are they elite? I have a much better apartment than they do. I’m smarter than they are. I’m richer than they are. I became president, and they didn’t.”

    * which on occasion he has done: “We love the poorly educated!”

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    Kay says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:

    They’re all soft. Jerad and Ivanka look like they exist in a womb. Their perfect dewy skin creeps me out. They look so tended. Like they slather on baby turtle oil. Essence of swan feathers.

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    rikyrah says:


    You have a way with words😄😄😄

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    @Kay: Arraigned marriages, it’s tried and true.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Kay: But imagine the outcry from the media and the GOP if President Obama had stopped the daily press gaggle. Impeach!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:
    I loved it.
    Simply loved it😍😍

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    MomSense says:


    Aside from the obvious slide slide slippity slide into the kind of authoritarian hell where people lose freedom of movement, the best thing that could happen to Maine would be a massive influx of asylum seekers. Lewiston Auburn was dying until the Somalis came in and revitalized the economy. Our sparsely populated state is the oldest and one of the sickest in the country. We do not have enough people to support our basic infrastructure.
    Republicans are too racist to realize they are turning away and torturing the group of people who would be the most likely future conservative voters. They’re catholic, anti abortion, traditional, etc.
    I’m fucking pissed off that Mainers aren’t telling these ICE / border patrol NAZIs to take a long walk off a short pier. We are allowing our rights to be infringed out of ignorance and fear. We do not have to show our papers to take a bus from Bangor to Portland.
    Do we have to start fundraising to put lawyers on busses now? Legal riders?

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    rikyrah says:

    The entitlement of this bunch.
    Folks are supposed to pretend that they don’t work for evil.
    Phuck Outta Here and go buy you some sex toys. Or in-breed with one another.😠

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    Immanentize says:

    Hence Andrew Carnegie’s quote:

    I would as soon leave to my son a curse as the almighty dollar….

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    rikyrah says:

    Ba dum pa😄👏

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I had almost the same reaction, but my mind went first to Massenet!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Kay: I tend to agree with Jay Rosen about the press conferences. Stop sending in the big names to cover them. Send the interns. That way the press conferences get covered but are shown the respect they deserve–they’re not worth experienced reporters’ times. Put the experiences reporters on more important beats.

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    MomSense says:


    I think these assholes grew up in a cocoon of Fox, the local mega church, abstinence clubs, and private Christian academies. They think they are so cool and expected to go to DC, work at the White House and get their saved seat at the popular kids’ table.

    Wednesday night I spent the whole evening with the cool youngs in a cool city (there were a lot of us reading glass wearers, too) and they loathe trump. The musicians and youngs in the crowd were laughing their asses off when the musicians on stage mocked trump. Almost all of the acts found a way to do it. BTW the cool kids run with a very diverse pack. I saw so much love and acceptance in that group.
    We have to crush the GOPNAZIs in November because there is a gorgeous community to protect.

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    They are standing alone in the gas station of love, and they have to use the self service pumps….

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:

    Wow, that thread is golden.

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    Victor Matheson says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))): just as a aside to Corey lewandowski, this is actually an appropriate time to use the sad trombone sound.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Yes, exactly.

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    CliosFanBoy says:

    @sixthdoctor: that’s a pretty red area of Virginia too.

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: You are a better person than I. I find it difficult to keep my mouth shut to a trumpian.

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    JPL says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: That is so cool!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Jerzy Russian:
    Ah, the words of Weird Al …

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Very neat! I remembered reading the article (and of course seeing the accompanying photo), but just went back to have a fresh look. It’s a long scroll down to go back just a week; here’s the direct link.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Surprise surprise surprise! That French citizen detained for crossing the border? She’s black.

    ETA forgot the link:

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    rikyrah says:

    This video of this creeping tiger scared me. That big animal was so damn stealth..😨😨

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    rikyrah says:


    Uh huh
    Uh huh😒😒😒

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The family isn’t sure whether or not the girl will ever be allowed in the U.S.
    I’d be surprised if she would want to come back. We’re barbarians. At some point nations are going to start warning citizens that it’s dangerous to travel to our country.

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    Kathleen says:

    @ET: You may want to take action to provide extra protection for any pets you may have.

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    rikyrah says:

    Young Black girl recreates Michelle Obama ‘s portrait😍😍

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    cmorenc says:


    The one thing that was glaring to me was the privatization of USPS.

    While that’s long been a pet ideological notion of the hard-core small-government contingent within the GOP, among the Trump Admin crowd, there’s probably an uglier motivation: ever notice that in many parts of the country, the USPS workforce is disproportionately staffed by minorities and blacks in particular? Also with a high probability that the USPS workforce is also to a strongly disproportionate extent democratic-leaning?

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    rikyrah says:

    This cracks me up EVERYTIME that I watch it😄😄😄

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    The Trumpette who defeated Mark Sanford in the SC GOP primary last week was in a car accident last night and very seriously injured.

    Some interesting political calculations to be made in the next few weeks.

    (For the record — I’m sorry I even have to say this — although I profoundly oppose everything about Katie Arrington’s politics, I take no pleasure at all in her pain nor in the physical challenges ahead of her.)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    At some point nations are going to start warning citizens that it’s dangerous to travel to our country.

    I forget which ones but there are a couple who already are and the NAACP has a travel warning on Misery.

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    rikyrah says:

    That was beautiful, Bill.😄

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    JR says:

    “Royal administrators finding life hard in the Cordeliers district”.

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    Kay says:


    Aside from the obvious slide slide slippity slide into the kind of authoritarian hell where people lose freedom of movement, the best thing that could happen to Maine would be a massive influx of asylum seekers.

    Same here. People used to get it. We have a really nice little town that was settled by Mennonites. They are pro-immigrant in that religion. They deliberately brought in Mexicans 30 years ago because they were younger and had large, extended families. They’re the backbone of that place now and the land values just keep going up – you can’t find a place to rent there and the houses have a 20% premium compared to houses one town over.

    We have a dead town 20 miles from here. It is physically beautiful- really the nicest land in the county but no one lives there anymore. The houses are just falling down. They had to unincorporate it as a municipality because they had no tax base left.

    I think there’s a human right to MOVE- to leave one place and go to another. I know that’s a fringe opinion so I’m willing to compromise but I don’t get the hate. Places are supposed to change.

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    @rikyrah: Thanks, the light on the foreground is moonlight(I took it before the moon went down).

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    Nicole says:

    Went to see “Jurassic World 2” with the kiddo yesterday. Not a good movie, but I did appreciate the eeeeeeevil character played by Ted Levine’s calling one of the heroines a “nasty woman” and an obvious reference to Trump’s hairpiece on the head of one of the other eeeeeevil bad guys.

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    Wapiti says:

    @rikyrah: That’s a nice picture. I imagine it was a lot of fun to create the costume as well.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Southeast Missouri nail company gets hammered by Trump’s tariffs

    President Trump’s tariff on steel imports that took effect June 1 has caused a southeast Missouri nail manufacturer to lose about 50% of its business in two weeks. Mid Continent Nail Corporation in Poplar Bluff – the remaining major nail producer in the country – has had to take drastic measures to make ends meet. The company employing 500 people earlier this month has laid off 60 temporary workers. It could slash 200 more jobs by the end of July and be out of business around Labor Day.

    During a Finance Committee hearing this week on Capitol Hill, U.S. Senator Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri, sounded the alarm about the company going downhill and fast.

    Mid Continent is one of the largest employers in Butler County and the second largest manufacturer in Poplar Bluff. If push comes to shove, slicing the remaining 440 jobs that pay an average of $12.50 an hour would add to the Bootheel’s struggling reputation marked by several of the poorest counties in the state.

    Mid Continent is owned by Mexico-based Deacero. The parent company produces steel and ships the material to its Poplar Bluff plant. Spokesperson Elizabeth Heaton tells Missourinet Deacero is being hit with the 25% tariff for importing steel to its own company.

    Voting Republican is like shooting yourself in the balls, only a whole lot more painful.

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    I think there’s a human right to MOVE- to leave one place and go to another. I know that’s a fringe opinion so I’m willing to compromise but I don’t get the hate.

    Adam linked to a video last night of these two wackos that pretty much shared your opinion. Some debate of some sort between some guys named Bush and Reagan.

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    Kathleen says:

    @cmorenc: I thought the racism has fueled GOP desire to dismantle Post Office years before Trump.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    That bit with the Trumplet date’s calling her racist scum – that’s the thing I noticed about the young ones, they grew up with equality as a fact in their minds so they are less likely to excuse what the other person is saying because of gender. That game I GM I am always having problems with some Boomer woman claiming female prerogative and mouthing off to some Post Millennial guy and the Post Millennial having none of it. Soft bigotry of low expatiation and all that.

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    Chyron HR says:


    The Trumpette who defeated Mark Sanford in the SC GOP primary last week was in a car accident last night and very seriously injured.

    And yet when the guy from Vermont dies in his sleep his followers will burn the country down to punish the DNC for it. There’s no justice.

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    debbie says:


    The Tiger shorts were a nice touch …

    If you really want to be scared of tigers, read John Vaillant’s “The Tiger.” They’re fucking diabolical and hold grudges against people who have annoyed them.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Kathleen: Not just racism, sexism. A lot of women in my family got into the work force in the 60s threw the US post office.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: @SiubhanDuinne: Thanks! I embedded the link, but maybe it wasn’t easily seen.

    All best wishes to Arrington for healing, but why does her Democratic opponent say he’s suspending campaigning until she’s recovered? That could take a very long time. From the extent of her injuries, well beyond November perhaps. Compassion is good. Self-harm for the sake of appearing compassionate is not.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Good! It’s unfortunate that the tax cut benefited him and not his unemployed workers though.

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    bemused says:


    What is the best site for numbers of children in foster care by state, most current data?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: what do you mean not his unemployed workers? Unemployment is also taxed.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @rikyrah: That’s a wonderful picture. I love seeing how Michelle aka forever FLOTUS inspires young girls.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    Of course, the worst thing about this is that these young Republicans won’t realize their self-righteousness (“Did you vote for Trump?” “Of course I did.”), or that maybe if they’re this widely despised then maybe they’re doing something very wrong in continuing to work for Trump.

    But they don’t, and they’re just chalking it up to liberals being evil America-hating bastards. The epistemic closure goes on.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s not a benefit.

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    “The U.S. Navy is preparing plans to construct sprawling detention centers for tens of thousands of immigrants on remote bases in California, Alabama and Arizona, escalating the military’s task in implementing President Donald Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy for people caught crossing the Southern border, according to a copy of a draft memo obtained by TIME”.

    Th U.S. Navy will disgrace itself and the country forever if it follows Trump’s orders. Suffice to say, Russia gangsters would love it if it does.

    The U.S. Navy has reportedly decided that one of those camps will be built in the Bay Area, in a town called Concord. I’d love to see them try. I say to the Navy, “Bring it on”. We’ll be able to teach the sailors the meaning of what it means to be an American if they do.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Raven: WOOT!!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I embedded the link, but maybe it wasn’t easily seen.

    Yeah, I noticed that about half an hour later and felt really stupid 😶

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    Mart says:

    They cannot get dates as no one can understand them with their thick Russian accents.

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    Bobbo says:

    They told us their horror stories about being heckled on the street and their struggles to get a date

    Oh Politico, please tell me you were mocking them when you used the words “horror stories.”

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: You, my dear, are anything BUT stupid. You’re the cleverest among us, by far. 😚

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    All best wishes to Arrington for healing, but why does her Democratic opponent say he’s suspending campaigning until she’s recovered? That could take a very long time. From the extent of her injuries, well beyond November perhaps. Compassion is good. Self-harm for the sake of appearing compassionate is not.

    Feels a bit like an own goal to me.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Not by a long shot, but thank you for the kind words. Nice way to start a Saturday!

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    john fremont says:

    @Another Scott: I also recall that Steve Bannon wants to cause chaos in the present national and international order to usher us into the next “cycle of history.”

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    efgoldman says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    the Donald Duck vs Daffy Duck piano duel

    Given all the rights involved, it’s amazing that it even got made.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I love the shot of its paws underwater.

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    Spanky says:

    In other not-really-news news:

    Support for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election was greatest in the counties with the highest rates of chronic prescription opioid use, according to a new study published this week in the journal JAMA Network Open.

    Because of course.

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    bemused says:


    I just skimmed it, thought it shouldn’t be a big deal to cut some slack when it’s a French citizen but didn’t read she wasn’t white. Now I get it.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I love Ted Levine (not enough to go see that film, though). We’ve been binging on Monk.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @No Drought No More:

    Politicize the armed forces. Where are the supposed adults? Everything the turd touches into shit.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    The story says she’s supposed to be out of the hospital in 2 weeks, so it doesn’t seem unreasonable to wait for that amount of time. He’s probably also waiting to see if she decides to withdraw from the race. Or, frankly, waiting to see if she survives the multiple surgeries, collapsed arteries, etc.

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    Lapassionara says:

    Big March today in London to protest Brexit. Some very clever posters and stickers. May was pilloried, as was Corbyn, as was Trump. Fun times.

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    Another Scott says:

    @No Drought No More: A Reuters story about this says it would cost roughly $250M for 6 months for roughly 25,000 people. Or $20k per person per year.

    That’s a lot of money, but it sounds low to me.

    If it goes ahead, I’m sure that Donnie’s minions are scheming to get their cut.

    Flipping the House is an essential step to stopping this, but we need to do much more.

    We have to fight them every single day, and win every election we can.


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    Another Scott says:

    @john fremont: Yup.

    The Minions and the GOP – all of them – are all on the same page about breaking the government. All of them need to go.


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    Another Scott says:

    @Lapassionara: Excellent. Will the BMW and Airbus news (about pulling out of the UK, or at least stopping investment) help turn the tide?

    Brexit has always seemed like a disaster to me (here in Virginia), but it seems like all the major politicians are too chicken to say so. They’re willing to destroy the UK economy and rights of her people to avoid speaking the truth. It’s nuts.



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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    Support for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election was greatest in the counties with the highest rates of chronic prescription opioid use.

    Correlation or causation? Perhaps both?

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    Citizen Alan says:


    Well, there’s one silver lining in all this. if privatizing the post office is on the table under a republican Administration, then I reckon nationalizing at Koch Industries can by on the table under the next democratic Administration.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    It’s all about vulture capitalism. My theory for several years now is that the reason they have required the post office to pre-fund their pension for 70 years it’s so the USPS will have huge cash reserves on hand to eventually make it attractive to vulture capitalists when they privatize it so that there’s just a huge bank account of free money to be looted. The actual USPS employees who retire from it will never see a dime of that money.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    You’re a better person than me.

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    PJ says:

    @cmorenc: I think it sticks in their craw that the USPS has been long been a path to the middle class for people of color. Also that the USPS is unionized, and workers have pensions.

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    PJ says:

    @Citizen Alan: That seems very plausible.

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    Luthe says:

    @efgoldman: The deal between the companies was that each competing character get equal screen time. So the writers made sure the characters were always on screen together (Donald and Daffy, Mickey and Bugs, etc).

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    J R in WV says:

    So… White House staff, and Young Repugnants in general, can’t get a date in DC once their identity is known? That’s so sad… my tiny violin can’t even squeak that small ~!!!~

    Who could have guessed that people who associate themselves with despicable political movements can’t catch a break? Really, it’s because they’re aberrant individuals that they attach to an abhorrent political philosophy.

    And aberrant people aren’t really very attractive in the long run. Regardless of their looks, in a few exposures, other people who aren’t aberrant notice how off the reactions of the nut-job are. Jokes that fall flat or just aren’t understood by the aberrant person, jokes made by the aberrant one that just feel slimy, because they make fundamental errors about how people really are. That kind of thing.

    Now there’s a giant red flag available — you don’t have to wonder if they’re weird, because they are flying those stars and bars from good ol’ Dixie. You know they’re weird fright off.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: “Deadbeat Donald and the Deplorables.”
    I think they’re punks in the more traditional sense, though.
    @Victor Matheson: Someone above mentioned shunning. Lewandowski is a good candidate for the practice. Or pelting with dung. That’s good too.

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    But her emails!! says:

    It’s all about vulture capitalism. My theory for several years now is that the reason they have required the post office to pre-fund their pension for 70 years it’s so the USPS will have huge cash reserves on hand to eventually make it attractive to vulture capitalists when they privatize it so that there’s just a huge bank account of free money to be looted. The actual USPS employees who retire from it will never see a dime of that money.

    Yup. Firms in the industry have no desire to see the Postal Service privatized, let alone buy it themselves. Instead, Republicans instituted this policy to create an attractive kitty for leveraged buy out firms should they ever get the chance to privatize it. That and it makes the financial situation of the Post Office look far more grave than it actually is and at the same time keeps it strapped for cash, preventing upgrades to it’s competitiveness.

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    J R in WV says:


    I agree — it’s obvious that a vast number of local/state laws and regulations regarding child care are being broken every moment by this cluster around parents and children, and the administration has no intention of lifting a finger to fix anything, laws or no laws.

    This is copied from a very late post last night, IANAL or child care authority, but here’s my take on a way to get to the bottom of the swamp quickly and begin replacing kids with their parents:

    The only way to learn what is going on with the female captives and the infant/toddler captives is for some brave member of an administration, like a top prosecuting attorney or governor to work with a high level judge, like the senior state supreme court justice, to obtain a search warrant based upon the information and belief that child abuse of an intolerable and illegal level is being systematically conducted in certain facilities, to wit:

    Facility one, located at:
    managed by: DHHR
    listing: known or suspected details about this facility

    Facility two, located at:
    managed by: contract firm ABC
    listing: known or suspected details about this facility

    Then to obtain confidentially the enthusiastic services of a LEO, preferably with SWAT teams and vehicles or aircraft sufficient to make forced entry to all facilities noted above, along with camera crews designated to preserve information as these raids are conducted, so as to minimize panic among the captives and maximize it among the captors. Teams to include medical and psychological teams prepared to take control of the well being of the captors and to preserve evidence of the condition of the captives at the time of their liberation.

    Then to execute forced entry to all the identified facilities while suppressing communications capability from those facilities while control is established over the captors sufficient to put them under arrest for receiving and holding kidnapped and abused children and infants while not advising the proper authorities as required by law.

    Any suspected facilities of the type being planned to be opened and taken into control of the proper authorities should be under complete surveillance during the time while preparations are being made to rescue the children being held captive, and if all such facilities are not to be opened simultaneously, those not scheduled for immediate entry should be under heightened surveillance until they can be taken under control.

    Obviously taking control of all these facilities at once will be a huge challenge, yet doing it a few at a time allows the perpetrators to begin to conceal ongoing crimes and to attack victims being held prisoner. Treating the rescued prisoners, identifying them, associating them with their parents, collecting evidence of crimes committed against them will be a superhuman effort requiring huge teams to be brought together to conduct medical evaluations of all the victims to determine if additional crimes have been committed in addition to the kidnapping and illegal movement.

    Records showing the numbers and ID of the captives and arrivals and departures will have to be carefully collected and evaluated to determine how many children should have been present at each facility, and any discrepancy in the numbers should be investigated for possible illegal transfers of children into different illegal hands.

    Menus and documentary evidence as to the type and amount of food and water each captive was provided and how much of that which was provided was consumed. If there is no evidence of how much food and water was consumed by a specific individual, it mush be assumed the captors did not care how much food intake was going on, that’s evidence of another crime, failing to document food intake indicated they didn’t care if malnutrition was going to be a problem for the captives.

    IANAL nor an I associated with law enforcement, so I have no doubt omitted many necessary tasks — but a search warrant and entry teams are the first thing to organize, those professionals should be able to develop an operational plan intended to rescue the captives and preserve the evidence of their treatment, good and bad. Medical exams of all the captives, postmortems of those not still alive at the time of entry. Yes, we all know that at least a few children in these terrible circumstances may have died under the best and luckiest circumstances, which will not be the kind of circumstances I expect to find.

    Some facilities may be managed properly while others are not. All facilities will have cooperated with the holding of captives after their kidnapping. Some facilities may have captives who have been further abused after being illegally taken from their families. Arrest for every captor in the facilities should be a given, the actual charges in addition to being an accomplice to kidnapping will depend upon the condition of the captives and the documentary, physical, medical, and asurveillance data and interviews with staff, victims and witnesses.

    Without this kind of immediate investigation we will never know what happened to the children being held captive in violation of child care requirements all over the world. We owe it to the parents and families of the captive children AND to the international community to discover what has happened to the captive children in as much detail and with as much certainty as possible, in order to provide evidence sufficient to indict and convict those guilty of misconduct with regard to these children. Including those at the top of management of this whole Cluster Fuck, who allowed this policy change to go forward with virtually no planning to keep these children in good condition and properly identified.

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    Ruckus says:

    I worked for a company that was a sub of a non profit. The CEO of the non profit was a really good guy who had held the place together with spit and bailing wire. The board screwed him and as he had in more than enough time and age, he retired. The board couldn’t hire anyone competent. The first guy had been CEO of, if I remember, 8 different non profits. There was a reason the guy who retired was there for decades and the new guy sucked by his second day. He was incompetent, at the very least. I left about 2 yrs later but they were n their 3 rd attempt at CEO. At least the second and third weren’t worse than the first. That was their only redeeming quality.
    How many CEOs are horrible/totally incompetent and their staff saves their asses? Or leaves. drumpf thinks he’s a great ceo. Turns out he can’t even hire good staff to save his ass. Can’t have anyone better than the boss. And we don’t.

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    Ruckus says:


    At some point nations are going to start warning citizens that it’s dangerous to travel to our country.

    I’d have thought that they were already doing that.

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    MomSense says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I love that show. My youngest and I watch whenever we need a bit of happy escape.

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    MoCA Ace says:

    “Do you rip babies from their mothers and then send them to Mexico?”

    It’s a legitimate question… you don’t get to work for Nazis and claim you are a good person.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Another Scott:

    Brexit has always seemed like a disaster to me (here in Virginia), but it seems like all the major politicians are too chicken to say so. They’re willing to destroy the UK economy and rights of her people to avoid speaking the truth. It’s nuts.

    There are some sad parallels. There’s a YouTube clip of a caller to a UK radio show saying that he would rather see the country collapse than see it “overrun” by foreigners. Others either ignore the warnings of damage to the economy or blindly insist that things will magically work out.

    And although a number of politicians loudly oppose BREXIT, Corbyn’s refusal to say much definitive about the issue is just bizarre.

    Both Trump and Theresa May seem to be in over their heads, and stumble badly when they try to deal with crises.

    Strange times we’re living in.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    So apparently now the Trumplets can’t show their racists mugs in public. Apparently there are things not Ok even if you are a Republican.

    I can really can’t think of any period in American history were racists conservatards were the target of basically public scorn like this. Something has seriously changed.

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