Dreaded Calls (Open Thread)

The more we learn about Trump’s immigration walk-back, the worse it looks. Though it has provisions to intern entire families indefinitely, etc., it doesn’t even address reuniting the 2,342 kids US officials already stole from parents at the border under Trump’s zero tolerance policy. We need to keep the pressure on to make sure those children are returned to their families.

Meanwhile, Paul Ryan is using the occasion to try to pass one of two terrible immigration bills today. The two Republican bills can best be described as “a shitty bill” and “an even more shitty bill.” Both would cut legal immigration and fund Trump’s racist vanity wall without providing a clean path to citizenship for American kids in DACA status.

It looks like the Freedom Caucus nutbags may tank the “moderate” shitty bill since it’s not mean enough to suit them. But it’s probably a good idea to call your rep and make your voice heard on the issue anyway.

That means I have to call the office of Trump butt-plug Vern Buchanan, the grifty meathead who represents me in Congress. Not looking forward to it, but I want the corrupt cockwaffle to hear the footsteps coming for him in November, if nothing else.

Lots going on today, but I’m super busy, so open thread!

123 replies
  1. 1
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Trump’s immigration walk-back, won’t survive it’s first 5 mins in court. As was planned.

  2. 2
    Platonailedit says:

    This is the typical trumpian shitsandwich the traitorous thug has been handing out his entire life. No wins for anyone except him. This should be denounced even louder.

  3. 3
    EdTheRed says:

    When you’re calling your reps today, maybe tell them that you support voting rights for citizens of the District of Columbia. Since, you know, we don’t have anyone to call ourselves…and we wouldn’t be in quite such a big mess if there were two senators representing DC.

    I cannot begin to describe the feeling of powerlessness that comes from living in a “representative” democracy committing such terrible acts in your name, yet having no actual representatives to vote on your behalf. I mean, I love my city, I was born here, and I’m not planning on leaving, but this is killing me.

  4. 4
    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    Where are the girls?

  5. 5
    Peale says:

    So the republicans have once again taken to negotiating with themselves on a bill that needs democratic support to pass and hoping that when the Democrats vote against it, the Dems will be blamed for not solving the problem that largely exists because they have riled up their base with stories of Muslim rapist gangs in Germany.

  6. 6
    kindness says:

    Since neither bill will get 60 votes in the Senate the whole thing is kabukli theater. And why isn’t the press asking why bills have no Democratic support? Where are the Democrats names? That’s what they should be asking if they were serious about this democracy thingy.

  7. 7
    EZSmirkzz says:

    You know Betty that most Americans are not steeped in political philosophy so I’m passing along this link to explain our current political state, which is being directed by malevolent actors towards the people of the United States. It makes for great television and news copy. The rain will eventually wash the blood of the ignorant off the street.


    Horizontal violence is hostile and aggressive behavior by individual or group members towards another member or groups of members of the larger group.

    This isn’t direct at you or any other individual in particular, but all individuals.

    The American people are being played and they really need to snap to the fact.

  8. 8
    frosty says:

    My rep is just as Teaparty as Mark Meadows. What should I tell him to support? S.3036? Vote against both shitty bills? Impeachment hearings?

  9. 9
    Platonailedit says:

    Time magazine cover is calling out the thug.

  10. 10
    Betty Cracker says:

    @frosty: Your call will be just as futile as mine since Meadows is the shit-stain who is tussling with Ryan over the even shittier Bill. Neither will pass, but I think it’s worth calling because I want the bastards to know that 1) we see through the Trump EO, which solves nothing, 2) we want an accounting for ALL the stolen kids, 3) American kids in DACA status need a path to citizenship, and 4) no cuts to legal immigration.

  11. 11
    Aleta says:

    Aura Bogado Retweeted
    Ida Bae Wells‏ @nhannahjones 12h12 hours ago
    This is the time when it’s so painfully clear why newsrooms should have hired and need to hire a lot more Latinos and Spanish speakers. Period.

  12. 12
    Platonailedit says:

    Big reminder: HHS officials pledged on Tuesday to release photos of detained girls and toddlers "within the next two days."

    That would be by the end of today.

    https://t.co/SnhsGJ0FJa— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 21, 2018

  13. 13
    MelissaM says:

    I have a Trump butt plug, too! Rodney Davis, IL. What a putz. I call and the letters I get in response don’t even match my issue. Ass-licking putz.

  14. 14
    Peale says:

    @kindness: I think though that it’s important that these bills get voted on. One so that we finally get the names of these so called “moderate” republicans and can see just how “moderate” they are. Especially since the press likes to portray them as the true compassionate heart and soul of the nation and party. Second, we need a reminder as to what’s really at stake.

  15. 15
    TS (the original) says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur:

    Where are the girls

    If this is correct – some of them are in New York

    Via LGF and twitter

    BREAKING: NYC Mayor DiBlasio confirmed 239 girls separated from their parents were being held at a detention center in E Harlem. The youngest is 9 months old, she’s been there for a MONTH.
    He went on to say the only reason he knew about the girls is because it was leaked to him.

  16. 16
    Platonailedit says:

    Flattering Trump at WH, GOP Sen Perdue credits him for reviving economy stuck at Obama's weak 1.9% growth rate

    now, after Trump tax-cut/deregulation push, CBO projects 1.9% growth over next 10 years. Federal Reserve projects 1.8%, Goldman Sachs 1.75%, Penn-Wharton 1.7%

    — John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) June 20, 2018

    Didn’t the pos promise 5% growth?

  17. 17
    John S. says:

    Everyone knows it’s the Democrats’ fault, and the media is lying about it all – just ask Trump. His cult members believe him.

    Mary Reuter of Sauk Centre, Minnesota, said it was all fake news. Reuter – who was disappointed that she shared a last name with a wire service that she described as “very liberal” but was proud of coming from the home town of Sinclair Lewis – said only Fox News “got it right”. Reuter said only 10% of the children separated from their parents “are really families” and she felt it was acceptable to separate them in that case.

  18. 18
    Platonailedit says:

    @John S.: The cult is mindless and far fewer in numbers. Dems need to move their asses in Nov.

  19. 19
    harlequingnoll says:

    Best case scenario all girls/babies detained are under media blackout because they are more sympathetic than boys who can be more easily labeled (future gang members)

  20. 20
    debit says:

    @John S.: Sinclair Lewis would spit on her. On behalf of my state, I apologize for Mary Reuter, who has shit for brains.

  21. 21
    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning Everyone 😄😄 😄

  22. 22
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: My problem is saying all that with out calling them all (including the intern answering the call) soulless black holes of morality in service to an ignorant demented fascist.

  23. 23
    John S. says:



    But you kind of have to marvel at the militant ignorance of a Trump supporter who is proud of coming from the hometown of Sinclair Lewis.

    A man who is best remembered for It Can’t Happen Here, a novel about the election of a fascist to the American presidency.

  24. 24
    Leto says:

    If we don’t demolish all of Trumpov’s buildings, then I suggest this: Spite buildings: when human grudges get architectural – in pictures

    “Spite buildings” are constructions specifically intended to irritate or protest: our smallest human pettiness made manifest in bricks, mortar and a reckless disregard for planning laws. Their origins are often disputed, occasionally embellished and usually entertaining, revealing tales of spurned lovers, fraternal feuds and vengeance. Below we highlight a few of the most famous of these “malicious erections” (sorry).

  25. 25
  26. 26
    normal liberal says:

    Same here. Calling Rodney a putz is a massive understatement. I wish I thought he was vulnerable in the fall.

  27. 27
    gene108 says:

    @John S.:

    Fox News needs to be first against the wall, when the Revolution comes, along with the rest of right-wing media. The you are evil people, who spread the evil of their masters to the wider public.

  28. 28

    @Peale: What is really at stake is the fate of democracy.

  29. 29

    @gene108: FWIW its the weaselly MSM lead by the NYT that does more damage.

  30. 30
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Platonailedit: They haven’t “dynamically scored” the economic numbers yet. Once they do we will all know the true numbers, not this fake news.

  31. 31
    John S. says:


    The only thing I can take comfort in with regard to Fox News is that it came about in our lifetime.

    Can you imagine if Fox News existed in 1939?

    Sure, there were propaganda mills and slanted media outlets back then (Hearst did a pretty good job), but nothing on the scale of Fox News. They have literally created a culture where truth are lies and lies are truth.

  32. 32
    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Presented for the reading pleasure for your Wingnut relative.

    Stephen “More American than thou” Miller’s great grand father failed his naturalization test


    Miller is right, many immigrates are pure scum, as Miller should well know from personal experience.

  33. 33
    zhena gogolia says:

    Just saw Kristof’s headline today, something like “Family Separation Isn’t New, but It Is Evil.” Both sides!

  34. 34
    Peale says:

    @John S.: yep. Just keep denying the reality of Latino families. I’m
    Sure that’ll work well for all parties involved. Only white families exist anyway. Or so I’ve been told that our supposedly strong families in America are the true bedrock of our greatness. As if they don’t exist elsewhere.

  35. 35
    frosty says:

    @Betty Cracker: I left a voicemail for Perry (spit): a) I’m angry at what’s happened on the border, b) Trump’s EO will do nothing, c) both house bills are bad and he should co-sponsor S.3036 and d) this has been an abomination and he should start impeachment hearings.

    As if.

  36. 36

    There’s nothing I can do, which makes me happy, since it means I’m only represented by Democrats, from the U.S. Senate all the way down to the county board of supervisors. But it also makes me sad because there isn’t anybody I can call to bitch at to get them to change their votes.

  37. 37
    EZSmirkzz says:

    Just to be clear, I am 19 years clean from alcohol addiction, and a natural born liar ala John Caare, as he said of himself in an interview I can’t find. I know manipulation, and We the People, are being manipulated. It’s more commonly called divide and conquer, one of the oldest manipulations of rulers in human history. Horizontal violence isn’t rocket science, it’s what we live because it’s who we are. No one has an abundance of time on their hands to study the Enlightenment writers, like the founding fathers did, or The Wealth of Nations, much less Mein Kampf or Das Capital, but everyone sees one everywhere. I doubt even the titans of Wall Street got past the Cliff Notes of Adam Smith’s work or they wouldn’t be as hostile to labor as they are.

    I just want to be clear that democratic republics, dictatorships, and democracies are political systems while capitalism. communism and fascism are economic systems, all of which, by hook or crook, diffuse the power of the masses and channel it into the power of the few. Our current state is precisely what the founding fathers feared and abhorred.

    I don’t expect anyone including myself to become phd,’s in all of these things, I just want to express my desire that we all quit burning holes through our souls for the benefit of the malevolent who use hatred as their acid.

  38. 38
    VOR says:

    I’ve got a Trump butt-plug too, Jason Lewis. He had a long career as a wing-nut radio host and yet somehow his opponent was unable to harvest that record as decent oppo research. One of his initiatives is a plan to cripple the local board, appointed by the Governor, which runs the local transit system. You see, the transit system wants to build another light rail line.

  39. 39

    @zhena gogolia: Well I expect no better from the Nazi propaganda broadsheet covering the ample ass of our orange emperor without clothes.

  40. 40
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @zhena gogolia: Kristof is always guided by his own unfailing righteousness.

  41. 41
    rikyrah says:


  42. 42
    rikyrah says:

    New CNN poll:

    Dems lead on the House generic ballot by 50-42.

    Dems have added three points since May.

    Dems also hold an enthusiasm edge: 50% of Ds are extremely/very enthusiastic about voting, versus 43% of Rs:https://t.co/CxX7Ygpup7

    — Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) June 20, 2018

  43. 43
    rikyrah says:


    — Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) June 20, 2018

  44. 44
    rikyrah says:

    I find it entirely fascinating that Ivanka thinks she can just cheerfully motor her way through all this and that her name and brand and reputation and her husband’s reputation and her welcome in polite society the second Daddy departs 1600 Penn aren’t destroyed forever and ever. https://t.co/Tub5TtoLkj

    — Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) June 20, 2018

  45. 45
    Platonailedit says:

    Good to see some lawsuits finally.

    A group of lawyers sued the U.S. government to allow them access to hundreds of immigrants who were transferred to a federal prison in California recently and who are being held “incommunicado.

    “In countries around the world, holding prisoners incommunicado, with no access to legal help or even family, is the hallmark of despots and dictators,” Michael Kaufman, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union who filed the lawsuit, said in a statement Wednesday.

    The detainees held at the Victorville prison may face summary deportation without legal assistance, according to the complaint. Unlike in criminal cases, detained immigrants aren’t automatically provided a lawyer by the government and must themselves contact one.

  46. 46
    JoeyJoeJoe says:

    @normal liberal: Some of the best known election predictors like Larry Sabato and Charlie Cook do have IL-13 as a seat that Democrats could win this year

  47. 47
    rikyrah says:

    Americans finding ways to work against Trump immigration policy

    Rachel Maddow points out the many ways that Americans are working in different capacities to undercut Donald Trump’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents, whether by politics, business, protest, leaks to the media, or donations to advocacy groups.

  48. 48
    rikyrah says:

    DoD agrees to DoJ request for extra lawyers on immigration cases

    Rachel Maddow reports exclusive news that the Department of Justice has asked the Pentagon for help processing immigration cases and the DoD has agreed to send active duty JAGs to Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico to serve as special assistant U.S. attorneys.

  49. 49
    lowtechcyclist says:

    That means I have to call the office of Trump butt-plug Vern Buchanan, the grifty meathead who represents me in Congress.

    As I recall, that’s the seat that was stolen from Christine Jennings back in 2006.

  50. 50
    hedgehog mobile says:

    @John S.: Fuck the cultists. We cannot reach them.

  51. 51
    Aleta says:

    More outrage. (OK to skip.)
    Sorry to say, especially after so many grievous reports this last week, I think these stories may need a trigger warning for institutional abuse.

    1. AP report
    (TW, Physical violence)
    Young immigrants detained in Virginia center allege abuse

    2. Report by Reveal news organization
    About Shiloh Treatment Center, a government contractor (since 2013) south of Houston that houses immigrant minors
    . Reports date to 2014.

    (TW, Psychiatric abuse)
    “At Reveal’s request, forensic psychiatrist Mark. J. Mills assessed materials from 420 pages of children’s medical records and statements filed in California federal court this April.

    The records were filed in connection with an ongoing class-action status lawsuit alleging poor treatment of immigrant children in U.S. custody. An attorney representing the children said youth separated from their parents often become depressed, angry, anxious (–) and that, in turn, encourages prescription of inappropriate medication. (–) Dosage recommendations at Shiloh gave orderlies what Mills called an unusually wide berth to determine how much medicine to give the children.
    In December 2014, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Houston, called for Shiloh to be shut down, citing reports from the Houston Chronicle of “physical violence, unreasonable and excessive use of physical restraints, administering emergency medications without notice to governmental authorities, and several deaths of minor children while in custody,” she said in a statement.

    But the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services continued sending children and funds to Shiloh – a total of more than $19 million after the congresswoman called for its closure, according to federal payment records.

    Shiloh has contracted to house immigrant children since 2013. Last year, the most lucrative yet under its agreement, Shiloh collected $5.6 million.”

  52. 52
    rikyrah says:

    Trump detaining babies, toddlers breaks from child welfare policy

    Garance Burke, national investigative reporter for the Associated Press, talks with Rachel Maddow about “tender age” facilities where the Trump administration is keeping babies and toddlers taken from parents seeking asylum in the U.S., and why the U.S. hasn’t had orphanages for decades.

  53. 53

    @rikyrah: How honorable is Mattis, now?
    There were three honorable generals in the cabinet
    Guarding our democracy from the Russian stooge
    One got fired
    And then there were two
    One revealed himself to be a white supremacist
    And then there was one
    One was an enabler
    And then there were none

  54. 54
    jonas says:

    @rikyrah: If they’re not in jail, I want them to have to sneak out of the country in the dead of the night using some ODETAA ratlines (Organization der ehemaligen Trump Administration Angehörigen) and have to live in Uruguay under assumed identities or something.

  55. 55
    rikyrah says:

    Nielsen struggles with Trump immigration policy as protests grow

    Rachel Maddow notes a number of protests around the U.S. against Donald Trump’s family separation policy and notes the difficulty HHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen has had defending it to Americans.

  56. 56
    rikyrah says:

    Trump migrant family policy adjustment faces overburdened system

    Jeh Johnson, former Secretary of Homeland Security, talks with Rachel Maddow about Donald Trump’s adjustment to his migrant family separation policy and how its application is challenged by an already overcrowded system.

  57. 57
    rikyrah says:

    Johnson warned Comey on Trump volatility before dossier briefing

    Jeh Johnson, former Secretary of Homeland Security, tells Rachel Maddow about concerns he raised with James Comey about how Donald Trump would react to news of the Christopher Steele dossier.

  58. 58
  59. 59
    gene108 says:

    @John S.:

    I think, it would be worse, if Fox News existed in the 1950’s and 1960’s. We would still have segregation and we would still Ben fighting the Vietnam war.


    The NYT and MSM can be bad, and they fuel people’s cynicism towards politics, but that cynicism has been there for decades. My take is the cynicism really started as a backlash to Watergate and “losing” the Vietnam war. And has just been exploited by Republicans

    Basically, the MSM and NYT, are composed of people, who either came of age during Watergate or have known nothing else but cynicism towards the government, regardless of who is in charge. They are bad, most of the time, but it is as much due to a symptom of the greater “spirit of the times” we live in, than a deliberate desire to be the mouth piece of evil.

    Right-wing media, on the other hand, exists solely to sway the swayable, like Ms. Reuters, that their beloved Republicans are doing nothing wrong. They convince their listeners, readers, and viewers that blame always rests with Democrats and/or the victims, so having a rational argument with right-wing media consumers becomes impossible. There is no outrage, crime, or traitorous action Republicans can do that will cause their voters to turn against them, because right-wing media will find a way to justify it.

    You can argue with people, who take the NYT’s seriously, and help them see the error of their ways sometimes. Folks like Ms. Reuters are beyond reason, because of right-wing media. And there are millions of Ms. Reuters out there.

  60. 60
    Leto says:

    Add to the ever growing petulant man-child list: Ian Bremmer: Trump tossed candy to Merkel at G-7, said ‘don’t say I never give you anything’


    President Trump reportedly tossed Starburst candies to German Chancellor Angela Merkel during his tense meeting with Group of Seven leaders weeks ago, Eurasia Group President Ian Bremmer said Wednesday.

    Bremmer went on to describe a bizarre incident toward the end of the summit, when Merkel and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau joined some of other the allies “To press Trump directly to sign the [group] communique that talked about the commitment to a rules-based international order.”

    Trump at #G7 summit: “He stood up, he put his hand in his pocket… and he took two Starbursts candies out, threw them on the table and said to Merkel, ‘Here, Angela. Don’t say I never give you anything.'”

  61. 61
    Yarrow says:

    Good morning, everyone. Where’s Anne Laurie? No late night thread and no morning thread. Did she say she was not going to be posting?

  62. 62
    Yarrow says:


    What is really at stake is the fate of democracy.

    Yes. This.

  63. 63
    Ohio Mom says:

    I just talked to one intern from one of my Rep’s offices, and two from two of Portman’s (whose ongoing causes include chid trafficking, ironically enough). That’s it for today. I have to refocus on some small family fires and I find these calls very discombobulating.

    I started each call out with an old family story. After my uncle finished serving in WWII, he went to college in upstate NY. He went home to the Bronx on a break and for reasons only a twenty-something young man can fathom, he decided to enter the apartment via the fire escape.

    When he opened the kitchen window as climbed in, instead of my grandmother, there stood a short man with bright red haired who only spoke Hungarian.

    Neither one knew what to make of the other but fortunately my uncle remembered enough of his childhood Hungarian to introduce himself.

    The redhead was my grandmother’s brother’s son — or put another way, my uncle’s cousin Sam. As a Holocaust survivor, he had been brought from a European displaced persons camp to the Weiss apartment by the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.

    I told those sullen young interns that if the HIAS could get Sam to his family back in those days, the United States, the richest, most advanced nation in the history of the world, armed with the internet, the phone system, easy photography, DNA, a wealth of translators and a robust transportation system, could get those 2,000+ children back in their parents’ arms ASAP.

    I like to think stories like mine might capture those young whippersnappers’ attention but today I could tell that with two of them, I was kidding myself. They were empty, hollow pyscopaths with good manners.

  64. 64
    Leto says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Add to this that on Maddow last night, she reported that the DoJ requested from DoD active duty military JAGs (lawyers) be sent to 5 boarder towns to act as immigration prosecution lawyers. DoD approved that request. I’m fairly certain Mattis would have needed to approve that request. We have 21 AD JAGs being sent for 179 days to be immigration prosecution lawyers who have no training in this area (immigration). This is on top of having kids being detained on military bases. Everything, everything Trump touches turns to shit. Every part of the government is being corrupted.

  65. 65

    @Leto: If I’m the Starburst PR person, I’m now holding my head.

    OTOH, I’m considering shipping hundreds of the things to the Trump family.

  66. 66

    @Leto: Mattis is complicit, then. That the generals would save us, was always a fairy tale.

  67. 67
    Ksmiami says:

    @gene108 props to them they always said liberals were full of hate and they got their wish. I want them utterly destroyed

  68. 68
    Yarrow says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: Send nothing to the Trump family but your disdain.

    If you want to send something to someone, buy Starbursts’ competitors’ products and send them to another place–a homeless shelter, a Boys and Girls Club, a local organization for low income families, perhaps. Then contact the Starbursts company and tell them what you’ve done. Tell them Trump destroys everything he comes into contact with and you will no longer be buying their product until they disavow it being used by the president to disgrace the United States.

    Make them own it. Sure, they didn’t choose for Trump to use their candy. Too bad. We (those of us who didn’t vote for him) didn’t choose him to be our president, but there he is disgracing all of us. Destroying our country. Everyone, all companies he’s connected to, all products he prefers, need to pay a price for that connection. Make being connected to him impossible for companies to support. It should be already.

  69. 69
    The Ancient Randonneur says:


    They probably found some government lawyer who gave them a pretzel logic opinion that it wasn’t a violation of Posse Comitatus.

  70. 70
    Gelfling 545 says:

    @John S.: She shpuld be inundated with copies of the book. I’m presuming she can read.

  71. 71
    Spanky says:

    Trump to Propose Government Reorganization, Targeting Safety Net Programs

    Because someone sat and thought “Hmmmm, how could I make the govt work against its own citizens even more?”

    Anyone who has worked in the corporate world knows how this would turn out … if he could ever pull it off.

  72. 72
    Leto says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: Remember Kevin McCarthy, Leader of the House Cockwaffle Caucus, gave Trumpov a bag of only pink and red Starbursts back in January? Had an aide pick out just those colors so he could present it to dear leader himself. Fucking shitbirds.

    @The Ancient Randonneur: Yeah, I thought of that too. I would hope all 21 would resign their commission, but I also hope for my home in SC to burn down, my wife’s eternal student debt to be gone, and to be able to run a 5 minute mile.

  73. 73
    rikyrah says:

    This woman was deemed ‘ too qualified’ to volunteer at a shelter.


  74. 74
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Platonailedit: Time magazine has been great under new editor Ed Felsenthal, Memphis University School class of 1984. I like to think that I was a mentor to him on the Owl’s Hoot, our school newspaper, except that he was older and smarter and was a better writer.

  75. 75
    Leto says:

    @Spanky: I do have to ask, is this something the executive branch can unilaterally do, or does this require Congressional approval? For the Buzz Lightyear force he wants to create, that requires Congressional approval. But for this?

  76. 76
    Spanky says:

    @Leto: Details are for the little people.

  77. 77
    rikyrah says:

    Sara Netanyahu indicted!

    — Anshel Pfeffer (@AnshelPfeffer) June 21, 2018

  78. 78
    Yarrow says:

    This story keeps churning along.

    Sara Netanyahu, the wife of Israel's prime minister, has been charged with fraud for falsely billing the government for $100,000 https://t.co/mrTo5xpxKO— David Beard (@dabeard) June 21, 2018

    Waiting for Bibi’s turn.

  79. 79
  80. 80
    Yarrow says:

    Our media is so oblivious to who these people are. Glad she’s waking up, but why did it take this horror show to make that happen?

    What has been surprising to me–I will confess–is the comfortability some people have with cruelty to children on a policy level. 'It's like summer camp'. 'Just like day care'— Soledad O'Brien (@soledadobrien) June 21, 2018

  81. 81
    OzarkHillbilly says:


    Donald Trump, the true and actual owner of the Trump International Hotel, is not a person of good character. The Trump International Hotel nonetheless currently holds a Class C/H license issued by the Board. Thus, pursuant to D.C. Code § 25-447, the undersigned residents of the District of Columbia request that the Board investigate Mr. Trump’s lack of good character and require the hotel’s licensee, Trump Old Post Office LLC, to appear before the Board to show cause why its license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages at The Trump International Hotel should not be revoked. Although the Board’s “good character” investigations typically occur at the time of license application or renewal, the egregious conduct set forth below, including the many recent events described in this Complaint, necessitate the Board’s issuance of an order to show cause at this time. The Board owes it to the public to investigate the owner’s lack of good character now.
    Good character is a threshold requirement for the granting of licenses in the District of Columbia for a variety of professions and business activities, including for a liquor license. Through his behavior both before and during his presidency, Donald J. Trump has demonstrated that he lacks good character. Good character involves an evaluation of an individual’s moral and ethical qualities, including such virtues as honesty, integrity, and how a person treats others, particularly those less fortunate and less powerful.

    This Complaint limits its focus to only certain, egregious evidence of Mr. Trump’s lack of good character that is material to the Board’s decision, focusing on certain lies he has told, his involvement in relevant fraudulent and other activity demonstrating his lack of integrity, and his refusal to abide by the law or to stop associating with known criminals. The Board has previously stated that “under § 25-301(a), the Board may also consider an Applicant’s propensity for being truthful as part of the ‘good character’ analysis.”
    6 This Complaint is not intended to be comprehensive.
    7 Rather, in accordance with the provisions of D.C. Code § 25-447, it sets forth “evidence supporting a reasonable belief that [the] licensee . . . is in violation of the provision of this title,” specifically, the provision of the title that requires that the “true and actual owner” be of “good character.” Once the Board commences its statutorily required investigation of Mr. Trump’s “good character,”
    8 the Complaint may be supplemented, as necessary.

  82. 82
    rikyrah says:

    Lawyer named in Trump executive order responds
    The President’s executive action orders Jeff Sessions to challenge a court order that prevents the actions that are actually included in the President’s Executive order! One of the lawyers Sessions now has to challenge explains that families could end up jailed on military bases. Lawyer Peter Schey, tells Lawrence how he will respond in court to Sessions and Trump.

  83. 83
    Yarrow says:

    This story got buried by the horror of the children separation story. Republicans like that. They’ll use that story as cover. If you’re calling your reps, let them know you’re watching them on this issue as well. We have to stop them.

    BREAKING: GOP to propose $1.5 trillion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.

    If you have a choice between believing someone’s words or their budget, believe their budget. https://t.co/9vvmu871HP— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) June 21, 2018

  84. 84
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Yarrow: In fairness, Soledad O’Brien has been speaking out pretty strongly for a while now, I’m guessing since she left CNN, but TBH I don’t follow her that closely, or on twitter. But she left the Village in her review mirror.

  85. 85
    chopper says:


    i just keep wondering what the fuck summer camps these people went to as kids. it’s like when the abuse at abu ghraib came out and limbaugh was all ‘it’s like being hazed at a fraternity’. ffs.

  86. 86
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Yarrow: Good for her, though it’s like nails on a chalkboard to me for a journalist to say “comfortability” instead of the perfectly good “comfort.”

  87. 87
    rikyrah says:


    They never ever deserve the benefit of the doubt.

  88. 88
    Leto says:

    @Spanky: Agreed, which is why we’re seeing military lawyers being drafted in to do immigration prosecution. But I’m wondering if he can just sign an executive order stating, “I’m merging DoL and DoE. Done!”, or does this require Congress to pass legislation authorizing it to happen? If he does it via EO then it really will be a shit show of epic proportions. If it has to be done via Congress (ala Buzz Lightyear) then it stands a much better chance of never happening.

    Edit: words are hard.

  89. 89

    I’m listening to MSNBC from last night. You know how networks blur out visuals they think are obscene and bleep out audio? I want something that will blur and bleep Trump.

  90. 90
    Platonailedit says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Congrats. Looks like he did turn out fine.

  91. 91
    Platonailedit says:

    @Yarrow: As corrupt as her husband. What a team.

  92. 92
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: Maddow has said in the last couple of weeks that she avoids playing any video or audio of trump. I forget exactly how she phrased it, but pretty much that it adds nothing to any actual discussion

  93. 93
    The Moar You Know says:

    Thus, pursuant to D.C. Code § 25-447, the undersigned residents of the District of Columbia request that the Board investigate Mr. Trump’s lack of good character and require the hotel’s licensee, Trump Old Post Office LLC, to appear before the Board to show cause why its license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages at The Trump International Hotel should not be revoked.

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s very smart. Vegas wouldn’t let him put gaming machines into Trump Las Vegas for those reasons (and probably some folks from Atlantic City had some shit to say about it as well). Only place in Vegas with no machines.

    He’s good at finding people’s vulnerabilities. Let’s find his and start hitting him where it hurts.

  94. 94
    benused says:

    @John S.:

    I just watched the msnbc rally clip on Rawstory woman crying that trump tries so hard. As a northern Minnesotan, I can only say they are Minnesota’s “best” people who fall for trump, our share of dolts. It’s bad enough to watch these dipshits from all over the country but that these people are living in a bluer state with a lot of services that they take for granted and I wish they’d all move to some confederate state.

  95. 95
    JPL says:

    @rikyrah: Every time I hear tender age facility, I truly want to hit something.

  96. 96
  97. 97
    cain says:

    It seems that Republicans have gone to war with the rest of us. Cuts to the social net, institutions breaking down, grift everywhere and then stealing of children.

  98. 98
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: I have one of those. It’s called the “on/off” button.

  99. 99

    @JPL: Its an orphanage for children who aren’t orphans.

  100. 100
    Leto says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think she said, “I’m not showing, or listening to, that fucking liar on my show.” Though I’m probably not remembering that correctly as I know she doesn’t cuss, but she has continually called him a liar.

  101. 101
    rikyrah says:


    @rikyrah: Every time I hear tender age facility, I truly want to hit something.

    It’s a BABY PRISON.

    Phuck that Frank Luntz -approved language.


  102. 102
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @benused: I saw the other day that Pawlenty is running for gov as a trumpist. I was a bit surprised, wasn’t he one of the great moderate hopes of the Beltway back in the day?

    Tim Pawlenty @ TimPawlenty
    Welcome to MN, @realDonaldTrump. Proud to have my running mate @michellefischb greet you when you landed and thankful to you for protecting our borders, lowering taxes, trying to reduce health care costs, and more. Enjoy your time in the North Star State.

  103. 103
    JPL says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: That’s what I thought after seeing that yesterday morning. Mail him starburst wrappers.

  104. 104
    Proudgradofcatladyacademy says:

    @John S.:

    I am until 7 days from now from Duluth, MN and enraged at this community that they filled up the larger arena with Northern fascists. Proud of the protesters though! I hate I wasn’t there with my protestor community and riendsbut I seriously need to focus on my recovery and leaving here in seven days for good. This time the life saved has got to be mine so I can be around to help more people later.

    However I realized something after moving back here 10 years ago, Duluth was never as liberal as we thought we were, and Minnesota nice actually is masquerading as passive-aggressiveness cloaking white hot anger over how privileged white people get screwed when it comes to politics. It’s sad because people here and on the Iron Range forget how much “dirty hippie commie socialist ideas” back in the 1900s actually got them unions and other vast improvements they take for granted now. Like good healthcare and immigrant worker protections for Finnish miners.

  105. 105
  106. 106
    JPL says:

    @rikyrah: That is exactly what I call it.

  107. 107
    JPL says:

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: How many protesters were there?

  108. 108
    burnspbesq says:

    Good read.


    Money quote:

    Under the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which also legally binds the United States, torture includes any act by which severe mental pain or suffering is intentionally inflicted on a person for the purpose of intimidating or coercing him or a third person. Numerous administration officials have indicated that the forced separation of families was instituted, at least in part, to deter people from crossing the border. The forced separation of families undoubtedly causes immense anguish, both for parents and for children. Given officials’ comments, it is plain that the Trump administration is intentionally inflicting suffering to send a message to others who wish to seek safety or opportunity in the United States.

  109. 109
    hitchhiker says:

    This must have been said here on the blog in the last couple of days — repeating for emphasis.

    Go watch the last episode of The Handmaid’s Tale if you want a dramatization of what it looks like when a loving parent is forced to hand over a child.

    Even if you’re not up to speed on the show, even if you don’t like television, even if it squeebs you out to know that Elizabeth Moss is a Scientologist … the second half of that show is just shattering, and so weird to watch during this of all weeks, knowing that it was filmed many months ago.

  110. 110
    zhena gogolia says:

    A friend of mine here was just saying that her 20-something daughter (of whom I’ve never heard anything to indicate that she’s political) has been screaming, “It’s the holocaust! It’s the holocaust!” and playing her the audio of the children crying. I think perhaps this story is reaching people who aren’t political junkies. I pray fervently that that translates into votes.

  111. 111
    zhena gogolia says:


    Soledad O’Brien has always been good.

  112. 112
    gvg says:

    @Yarrow: No. this is a silly waste of our time when serious things aren’t getting addressed because of the volume of shit happening. Starbursts didn’t ask for this and didn’t do anything to attract the idiots attention. they were just unlucky. I’ve got more important things to boycott.

  113. 113
    J R in WV says:

    @TS (the original):

    BREAKING: NYC Mayor DiBlasio confirmed 239 girls separated from their parents were being held at a detention center in E Harlem. The youngest is 9 months old, she’s been there for a MONTH.
    He went on to say the only reason he knew about the girls is because it was leaked to him.

    He needs to get with a judge and a police commander, get a wide open search warrant, and go bust that place wide open, with the intent to arrest everyone there if they don’t have the proper papers for every child present, with IDs of the parent for each child.

    Then go for the owners of the facility, and jail them for child abuse as well. Then get them to squeal on their federal contacts, and go for them. Everyone in NY State at least. and Issue bench warrants for the arrest of those NOT in NY state up to Reischleiter Neilsen in DC.

    That would bust this scam wide open, and until someone does this it will continue to be our secret sin.

  114. 114
    benused says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Isn’t that the only way for a republican to run for office now, try to pass as a trumper?

  115. 115
    Platonailedit says:

    @Yarrow: I have watched Soledad and she never gave me the impression of being a bw hack.

  116. 116
    benused says:


    Yes, it’s been heartbreaking to see pretty decent people come out as a lot more racist and callous hearted since trump came on the scene. That’s what several decades of listening to wingnut media will do to susceptible brains. The rightwingers here separate their immigrant ancestors from today’s brown and middle eastern immigrants, those not lily white into the hardworking, responsible immigrants who learned English and “blended” in vs today’s “others” who supposedly are lazy, won’t learn English and refuse to assimilate. All wrong. They forget the discrimination in the old days against Irish and in MN, the darker European immigrants. Rewriting history in fairy tales.

  117. 117
    VeniceRiley says:

    @J R in WV: I hope they get Underwood on that immediately. I have great faith in her abilities as NY AG.

  118. 118
    Citizen Alan says:

    @John S.:

    I’ve said for years that a Fox News had existed in the 1930s, we will be a fascist white supremacist dictatorship to this day, and the non-white percentage of u.s. citizens would be a fraction of what it is today. Just enough blacks, Hispanics, and Asians to provide slave labor in the service economy, and that’s it.

  119. 119
    Cckids says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I know I’m very late here, but never forget: When Trump was opening his hotel in Vegas, the NV Gaming Commission WOULDN’T GIVE HIM A LICENSE. That’s why it doesn’t have a cas1no. Not the BS excuses he gives. He was considered to be a person of such poor character that he didn’t qualify for a license. Think on that.

  120. 120
    MCA1 says:

    @John S.: Point well taken on the almost absurd contrast of this woman’s “perspective” coming from the hometown of Sinclair Lewis. Pedantic point – I think the author is far more well-remembered for Main Street (and maybe even Elmer Gantry and/or Babbitt) than for It Can’t Happen Here.

    Seconding the notes of other Minne ex-pats and residents here, that it’s shameful to see my home state, which had perhaps the strongest rural area/Democratic and progressive politics alliance in America for most of the 20th century, harboring a measurable number of these shitstain Drumpfenproletariat. These people have now hived themselves off into the same reductionist Fox-only bubble of resentment and revanchism as rural folks in most of the rest of the country. No sense of history, anti-intellectual, anti-progress, anti-pluralism, despite no actual exposure to any of those things. The social contract is broken in this country if people from f’ing Sauk Center, Minnesota can’t be made to care about their fellow man.

  121. 121
    MCA1 says:

    On a brighter note, I do have a hopeful feeling about some of the everyman reactions I’m seeing to the child separation shitshow. I’ve heard a lot more people than I would have expected outside the confines of this blog saying one of (a) Trump created this fake crisis, why should he get any credit for cleaning it up? or (b) There’s no need for an Executive Order – all he has to do is make a phone call to stop it!

    Like, maybe there’s a sufficient proportion of the population, among the 80% of people who really can’t be bothered to pay attention to government and politics, that’s awakened to the realization that the emperor wears no clothes. Just need to get those people to the voting booth this Fall.

  122. 122
    Marcopolo says:

    @MelissaM: Hey, in case you see this, I hope you’ve volunteered for Betsy Londrigan. Davis is beatable in Nov if the wave is strong enough and she’d do a great job representing you.

  123. 123
    No One You Know says:

    @rikyrah: What I don’t understand is why she has that much time. How is she any more repugnant after Daddy leaves the White House? Haven’t both “first ‘ladies'” made themself as loathsome as possible already?

Comments are closed.