International Disgrace Open Thread: Happy Fathers’ Day, Repubs!

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    Chat Noir says:

    Paul Ryan is a loathsome excuse of a man. He deserves nothing less than scorn and contempt.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

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    Platonailedit says:

    What a smarmy lil sociopathic sob. I meant the ‘father’ at the bottom.

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    Jay C says:

    I saw on the Interwebs this morning that a group of Democratic Congresspeople (four from NY, two from NJ) were celebrating Fathers’ Day by trying a Merkley-style confrontation at an ICE detention facility in Elizabeth, NJ: these issues aren’t just confined to TX/AZ – So far, they seem to have no more success getting in to see what’s going on than Sen. Merkley did: but at least somebody is keeping the pressure on.

    I’d like to see the issue of family separations be less of a partisan thing, but I guess one has to put one’s conscience in escrow when you become a Republican……

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    Mike R says:

    @Platonailedit: Could be said of every elected Republican, the party is a hive of scum and villainy.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Chat Noir:

    Paul Ryan is a loathsome excuse of a man

    Nah, he’s not that good.

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    Bex says:

    MY life changed the day “I” became a father. MY children are MY highest priority. It’s all about YOU isn’t it Paulie?

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    How does Paul Ryan live with himself? His inner life must be an utter hell. Deep within himself he must see and understand the dad, pathetic emptiness of his life.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mike R:

    the party is a hive of scum and villainy

    They don’t deserve a movie tagline .

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    Yarrow says:

    Paul Ryan is a traitor. He should enjoy the time he has with his “highest priorities” because once the truth of his treason is made public he’s going to be spending a lot less time with them.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    @Mike R: Correction: a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.):

    His inner life must be an utter hell.

    Nope. He’s a True Believer and without conscience.

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    Mike R says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.): Paul Ryan lives with himself because he truly believes in this motto. More money for us, Fuck you. Borrowed from LGM.

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    Bex says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Bannon needs to remember that Pope Francis is a Jesuit. As Charlie Pierce says, “Do not f*uck with the Society.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    @efgoldman: I can’t understand how people can live that way. I just can’t.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.):

    I can’t understand how people can live that way

    That’s why we’re Dems. We spend all of our time trying to fix shit they broke.

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    Josie says:

    Thanks, Anne Laurie. Small donation made to RAICES.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @efgoldman: Yup, tax cuts are his religion, Ayn Rand is his messiah, he sleeps the sleep of the soulless.

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    Jay says:

    Russian state TV is celebrating after seeing the recent report that Trump told G7 leaders that Crimea belongs to Russia because the people there speak Russian.
    Trump’s statement, which parrots the Kremlin’s talking points on Crimea, was widely interpreted in Russia as an official declaration by the U.S. that Russia was justified when they illegally invaded Crimea and annexed it from Ukraine.

    The ignorant proclamation made by Trump was quickly turned into propaganda and touted by Russian state TV hosts Olga Skabeeva and Evgeny Popov, who triumphantly reported on the remarks Friday.

    “Krym nash, Trump nash!” Skabeeva declared to the audience, which in English means “Crimea is ours, Trump is ours!”

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    MattF says:

    That photo looks like Ryan & Co. are standing in a garbage chute. But I didn’t see anything inappropriate about that.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mike R: They are Nazis. They need to be destroyed.

    You know. Like both Death Stars.

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    Kay says:

    I think Ivanka Trump is the worst of the bunch on this stuff:

    First daughter Ivanka Trump shared Father’s Day wishes for her husband Jared Kushner, and her father, President Donald Trump on her Instagram account Sunday morning.
    She posted an image from her father’s campaign, showing the president and Kushner seemingly about to hit a low five. She wished them both a happy Father’s Day and included a red heart emoji.

    Trump, Sessions, Kelly and Miller are mean-spirited, cruel, and proud of it. She’s just a phony. They dump her off on “soft” issues too- the issues conservatives don’t give a shit about- education and child care, so we’re going to get stuck with her garbage ideas in areas Democrats really understand and care about. I don’t want her. Republicans can have her. Stick her in one of the issues THEY care about. Keep her out of ours.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Jay: In that case, can we belong to England again, at least just for a little while?

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    @Mike R:
    Yes, Ryan seems to be a sociopath. He is perfectly happy because other people are not people to him, and he feels no guilt for hurting them. It’s an interesting comparison to Trump, who instead is a narcissist. Trump is utterly miserable, because he’s president now, and if anything he’s getting his way less than ever before, while being mocked more than ever before. I see some of the same in Cheney, who in his few public appearances appears to be permanently pissed off that America doesn’t recognize that he was the greatest leader in the history of the country and we’re not already celebrating him in history books.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    Ive gotten over the idea these people are in any way Christians. I am an atheist and FFS I’m a better Christian.

    Mammon is a demon who, according to Christian theology, embodies one of the cardinal sins: greed. In fact this demon’s monstrous greed is so powerful that innocent men can be sucked into it and corrupted, so that they too focus their attention on building up worldly treasure instead of virtues that they can carry with them into the kingdom of heaven.

    I quibble with the “innocent men” part.

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    Mike R says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Not much we can do with Ryan except loath the vile creep, but I hope you are correct and Trump is suffering internally. Too bad a lot of people will suffer as a result of the petulant toddler becoming more unhinged.

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    MattF says:

    From the (front page) NYT article about Trump’s lies on this subject:

    But Mr. Trump has steadfastly tried to deflect blame for the separation of children from their parents, consistently dissembling about why it is occurring.

    So near, and yet so far.

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    efgoldman says:


    appears to be permanently pissed off that America doesn’t recognize that he was the greatest leader in the history of the country and we’re not already celebrating him in history books.

    He gets in the books when he’s history, not a minute sooner. Can’t happen quickly enough.

    Ryan seems to be a sociopath

    My high school creative writing teacher taught me never to say “seems to” or “appears to” when what you mean is “is”

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    Yarrow says:

    @Kay: Let’s put her in prison. She’s very near the top of my list of Trumpers I want to see wearing an orange jumpsuit.

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    Mike R says:

    @efgoldman: Up vote that, tomorrow would be fine.

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    Platonailedit says:



    Apparently fynyt doesn’t know the word lying. Scums all.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    The GOP is utterly heartless. I too often wish that, in the case of all their elected and appointed officials, that I could make it literal.I hate what they’re doing to the Republic and to its individuals, who have to harden our hearts to cope with them.

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    Platonailedit says:

    I will be joining this bill next week to stop this outrageous administration policy and following up on my longstanding work on the failure of HHS to adequately care for these children.— Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) June 17, 2018

    Good for her. Think only 5 more holdouts.

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    Kay says:

    Ivanka really has the best of both worlds- it’s not true that she doesn’t “weigh in” on US policy. Sure she does. She promotes her own brand and crap ideas in the areas of education and child care. She weighs in plenty- just not in areas that political media care about or cover.

    But she’s exempted from having to weigh in on the Trump Administration policies that are racist and mean-spirited and harm people.

    She got a great deal- a deal that no other person in government gets. She exempts herself from any accountability for the Trump Administration while using the power her father gave her to influence policy but ONLY in areas that won’t harm her personal brand.

    Expect more of this. Expect more of the privileged, GROWN UP “children” of powerful people to get these special deals, unless we pass a law barring hiring them in the first place. Can’t pass it fast enough as far as I’m concerned.

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    @Mike R:
    Look at Trump in photos, and when he speaks. Even when he gives his spontaneous interviews where he’s being fellated on FOX. The man is almost never happy. He stews constantly in humiliation, childish disappointment, resentment, and fear. This is not a rare narcissist conundrum. They are utterly superficial and external. There is no internal value to themselves. He has achieved the highest superficial honor possible, and he’s still miserable. He’s not getting the adulation and obedience he imagined. If anything, life is worse than it’s ever been. And there’s nowhere to go from here. There is up ‘up’. The only higher achievement is ‘brutal dictator’ like Kim Jong Un, and one of the things pissing Trump off is that he can’t get it. Every time he tries, he gets immediately slapped down.

    This is why he won’t quit. As a narcissist, he has to chase superficialities, and there is nowhere to go from ‘President of the United States.’ No matter how much he hates the job, if he quits he becomes lesser.

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    Brickley Paiste says:


    Headline of article was: Trump Again Falsely Blames Democrats for His Separation Tactic

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    opiejeanne says:

    On Rachel’s show (I think it was) earlier this week they talked to a Catholic priest who had visited one of the child prisons and he was all cheerful about how the kids are being cared for, how they get outings, come to his church on Sunday, etc. and then there was this pause before he mentioned that they moved the girls somewhere else and they no longer came to his church. He didn’t know where the girls were, but the boys still came to his church and were happy to be there. mr opiejeanne heard it before I did and he said, “Where are the girls?” There is no more mention of where the girls are housed, or where the babies and toddlers are being cared for. The only kids we seem to know the location of are boys above the age of 9.

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    cmorenc says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.):

    How does Paul Ryan live with himself? His inner life must be an utter hell. Deep within himself he must see and understand the dad, pathetic emptiness of his life.

    You forget that sociopaths lack any sense of shame that might create inner difficult dissonance in normal, morally sensible people. In fact, many right-wing sociopaths like Ryan have adopted the ideology of Ayn Rand as a convenient justification to snuff out any faint whiffs of conscience they might otherwise have sensed over any cruel implications of their sociopathy and greedy selfishness.

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    ruemara says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.): You are way too generous in believing he has an internal life.

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    Kay says:


    I never saw an explanation for why she wasn’t prosecuted when she and her brother defrauded lenders and investors.

    Let’s reallocate the ICE budget to fighting white collar crime. I’d much prefer to live among any of the immigrants than the sleazy white collar crime wave I’m currently being subjected to. Clean it up. I’m tough on white collar crime. I wanna see sweeps and roundups. Perp walks will act as a deterrent and then we need loooooong, drawn out trials with discovery, which well lead to more offenders. No deals. No fines. Trials.

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    Yarrow says:

    @MattF: @Platonailedit: Accidentally saw a few minutes of Meet the Press this morning. It was the panel section of it and they were talking about using the words “lie” or “lying” to describe what Trump does. Helene someone from the NYT said Dean Baquet (editor) said that using it too often is like a car alarm going off all the time–people stop paying attention and it loses its power. Others from various new outlets also expressed nervousness about using “lie” too much. Bret Stevens (WSJ?) said their rule is something like if Trump says something and then blatantly contradicts it later then they might use the word “lie” for that.

    The whole “struggle of journalists over using the word ‘lie'”seems like really dumb to me. Also a failure of imagination because if the president is lying all the time, then they should describe the pattern. The most current lie can be used as an example of the pattern. They don’t have to struggle over each example as to whether or not to use the word lie. He lies all the time. Talk about that habit and what it means for the country that the president does that.

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    Dropped some coin in the RAICES bucket, thanks for sharing that.

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    MomSense says:


    The New York Times has decided to be the paper of access instead of the paper of record. The New York Times is garbage.

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    efgoldman says:


    Perp walks will act as a deterrent and then we need loooooong, drawn out trials with discovery, which well lead to more offenders

    Love you Kay. You lead a rich fantasy life.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Yarrow: Right, lie would lose all the meaning while falsehood, incorrect, not true, dissembling etc. will always live on. What a set of corrupt weasels.

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    scav says:

    So, apparently their bleats of “All Lives Matter!” has had the ususal lifespan of a sloganeering mayfly and lies abandoned and thrice-denied next to their “Think of the Baaaaayyyyy-beeees!” mantra.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Yarrow: I _really_ don’t understand this fussiness about the word “lie.” My dad is that way with the word “stupid.” You just aren’t supposed to say it. If you do, he visibly squirms and then gets angry. He’s not fond of the words “shit” or “fuck” either but it doesn’t have the same effect. Journalists must be being taught that it’s a taboo.

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    As the spectacle of government ordered child abuse continues, I’m wondering if the Rs have lost even their political sense. This is hurting them. I know they have no decency but they can usually tell when something might cost them votes.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Almost never happy? Shit. He’s never happy. I’ve made it a point to look. He’s always pissed off, always scowling. It must be hell on Earth to be Donald Tяump. To be always grasping for the next shiny thing, the next thing that just has to be that one last thing that’s going to bring unending happiness, only to get it and then find out that it isn’t enough. His whole life is a hopeless quest to put an end to the gnawing emptiness that defines him and his life.

    And he’s so fucking angry and bitter that the presidency didn’t do it for him. All those New York swells who were going to have to eat crow at long last, who were going to have to admit how wrong they had been about him, how he really was the best, how we all, all of us Americans, were going to love him and cheer him and vote him the bestest and the bigliest, all those fantasies have blown away like most in the morning, and all he’s left with is our scorn and ridicule and the knowledge that he’s an empty, inadequate loser.


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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    And all of this is happening on the third anniversary of the Charleston Massacre where nine African Americans were murdered in a place of worship by a white supremacist. He, in part, got his wish. We now live in a country lead by a white supremacist elected with the backing of a foreign authoritarian government.

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    raven says:

    @Yarrow: Hey, I saw you asked about Lil Bit last night. She had a horrible breathing episode and we rushed her to the university doggie ER. She made it and now were going to have “tie back” surgery to allow her to breathe.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Kay: Agree with every word. We have an epidemic of white collar crime. It’s out of control and endangering our society. Politicians need to get tough on white collar crime.

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    MattF says:

    @Yarrow: I agree that ‘lying about everything all the time’ is hardly enough to say. ‘Delusional’, ‘narcissistic’, and ‘personality disorder’ are psychologizing, which, although possibly accurate, don’t really help. Searching for a model of Trump’s behavior seems to me to be an error.

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    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.): Being Donald Trump is both his crime and his punishment.

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    The whole “struggle of journalists over using the word ‘lie’”seems like really dumb to me.

    Republicans have been lying openly for decades. Calling it out would make it impossible to claim that both sides are equal, but Democrats are worse. To make that worse, most Republican policies use outright lies for justification, like voter ID laws. If the national press shot down those lies, they might have to take a look at what the Republican Party actually stands for, and why anyone supports those policies. To make things even worse than that, most of these journalists support those policies. They sure as HELL don’t want to take a good long look at their own motivations.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    These are people who believe the source of “happiness” lies “out there” somewhere. More things, more power etc. “If only I had ‘X’ I would be happy.

    “The source of all suffering is desire”

    There will never be enough to fill that emptiness.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: It probably won’t cost them votes from their Republican voter base. They’re kind of screwed because Republican voters are so extreme. Mark Sanford was a cautionary example for them.

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    efgoldman says:


    Searching for a model of Trump’s behavior seems to me to be an error.

    Find any badly behaved four year old

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    Yarrow says:

    @raven: I finally read the previous thread and saw your comments and got caught up. I hope my comment didn’t appear insensitive–I hadn’t seen she’d had an episode. I’m really sorry she went through that and hope the surgery goes well and provides the relief she needs. I think I saw you said in the morning thread that it’ll be in the next few days? Sending lots of good thoughts!

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    geg6 says:


    Baquet is a sniveling weasel. I can’t express how awful I think he is. A total disgrace to the word journalist.

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    raven says:

    @Yarrow: Hell no, it’s all good.

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    WereBear says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: I know they have no decency but they can usually tell when something might cost them votes.

    Will it? Judging from my Twitter feed, their fans have fallen in line like always.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    @Jay C: Over at LGF someone is posting tweets from the Dems trying to get into the Elizabeth NJ facility. Wow is all I can say, and of course the ICE employees called the local police.

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    sukabi says:

    @efgoldman: naw, 4 year olds have the capacity to learn, which is what they’re doing when they’re being “badly behaved”. They are boundary testing. Drumpf don’t give a shit about boundaries, he’s all about taking what he can, and even shit he can’t.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Jay C:
    Disgustingly, conservatives say these children are criminals themselves. That’s how they justify these concentration camps

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    sukabi says:


    These are people who believe the source of “happiness” are lies.

    I think at this point we can leave it at that.

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    Kay says:


    I just think the focus on the word “lie” doesn’t matter. That won’t fix it. They need a new approach. Their old approach isn’t getting the job done.

    I wish it was as easy as saying “lie” but I don’t think it is. The methods they use to deal with prior situations are not up to this job. They have to step back and put some real thought into handling this, because the liars are running rings around them.

    I don’t know what to do either but I’m not holding myself forth as someone who does, and I don’t work in their field. Just getting better at their old methods won’t work. The methods are insufficient to the challenge. They can’t just crank up the volume – this calls for new approaches. I get the frustration and people seizing on the word “lie” but it’s just a word. It’s not a super hero word that will solve what seems to be real bewilderment at figuring out and approach that gets them where they want to go.

    They’re flailing- we all are- and we’re reaching for lie because we don’t know what else to grab.

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    WereBear says:

    I must say that the Father’s Day picture from Trump Jr where he posees with his kids iin a pool with a mansion in the background… and he calls them “monsters”… made me want to scream.

    Must be the bizarreness. And the contrast.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @WereBear: I feel sorry for his kids. For having an utter shitstain for a father.

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    sukabi says:

    Frothy and Kellyanne are both finding out it’s not much fun to try and defend kidnapping.

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    Yarrow says:

    @MattF: They don’t need to find a model for Trump’s behavior. They just need to describe his pattern of lying. Chuck Todd actually did say that Trump lied continuously in the Friday press gaggle and he even had clips of the lies and a list of them. Apparently Andrew Sullivan wrote some piece where he called Trump delusional and that we’re all living in his delusions and we wouldn’t tolerate this in our personal lives from someone we knew. Chuck Todd described it as, “Andrew Sullivan ‘went there.”

    It was kind of interesting to see them talk about covering Trump and how outside the norm he is. They said the usual “all politicians lie” thing but then said Trump was just way outside that level of lying. They also pointed out that he lies so much that none of it get covered much. It’s just noise. In some ways that works for him. One of them brought up Obama’s “If you like your health insurance you can keep it” comment that was made “lie of the year” or something and talked about how much coverage that got, while Trump lies so much more and it barely gets mentioned.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    Yes. It will. It already is. How many races have Republicans already lost in the last year? This stealing of children is only going to hurt more. It’s true, his base loves this, but that’s only, what, 25-35%? Something like that? You can’t win with those numbers. Not when a full 50% of the country is well and truly and righteously pissed, and drooling at the thought of voting these shitstains out.

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Can Bannon et al. be excommunicated from humanity?

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    bemused says:


    Get tough on the wealthy white collar criminals

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    Father’s Day in America: Cookouts for the Herrenvolk, lockdowns for the Untermenschen

    Someone on a previous thread produced what IMHO was a Fingerfehler for the ages when they suggested that when this is all over we need to convene a Truth & Retribution Commission.

    At least I hope it was a slip of the fingers. If once relatively sane governance is restored we shirk the hard. hard work of reconciling Trumpistas to the concept that it’s socially unacceptable to hate someone who is different from you for no better reason than s/he is different from you, & go down the make-them-pay-dearly-for-screwing-up-the-country road, we’ll end up hip-deep in Civil War II before you can say “KKK”.

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    Kay says:

    I would like to start with this- “we” the public and the media and the US political establishment- do not know how to handle an administration where everyone lies all the time. We don’t know what to do with that or about it. What we’re doing isn’t working, because it was predicated on some level of honesty and accountability, and that is gone. For now. Right now it doesn’t exist.

    We won’t deal with any better until we admit we can’t handle it well and we don’t know how to adjust. Yet. We don’t know yet.

    We’ll get there! Someone or something will figure it out, but that isn’t happening magically and it probably won’t happen as long as we cling to the idea that if we just change up the language or the volume that will work, and we can go back to how we used to be.

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    debbie says:


    I never saw an explanation for why she wasn’t prosecuted when she and her brother defrauded lenders and investors.

    They can’t explain. If they prosecuted the Trump spawn, they’d have to prosecute the majority of corporate America and just about all of Wall Street.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Voting them all out and keeping them all out for the next 20 years will fix that.

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    debbie says:


    Would “sociopathic-level dissembling” work for you?

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    @Kay: Call them out on their lies every single time they lie. Daniel Dale of the Toronto Star does it.

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    Mai naem mobile says:

    @Yarrow: maybe she can design orange jumpsuits while shes in prison and get trademarks from China for them.

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    Lalophobia says:

    All of this is beyond awful but it’s this part that pushes me to a whole ‘nother level of ‘ohgodohgodohgod’ and makes me feel sick.

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    Platonailedit says:


    Our president is a constant liar. How can we ever trust him in what says? Repeat this every time he lies. Would definitely get a purchase.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    Very nice edit 😎

    That, is the what “gaslighting” does. Dealing with constant lying F’s up our response system.

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    B.B.A. says:

    I’m going to rant into the void for a few minutes. I know we’re supposed to go out there, protest, call our congresscritters and vote in November, but what the hell would that accomplish? For the next six months there will be a compliant, complicit Republican Congress that won’t lift a finger to help those filthy sp*cs, and for two years after that we’ll have an administration that will gleefully and sadistically disregard everything the other two branches might order them to do in order to enforce their Jim Crow (or should I say Jaime Cuervo) delusions.

    These children are suffering NOW. I know trying to go Harpers Ferry won’t work, it didn’t even work then, but anything short of that just feels impotent and stupid. Oh sure march up to the Einsatzgruppen with your chants and signs, that’ll make them so much more likely to start treating Mexicans like human beings.

    Fuck everything.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:

    ….Dems trying to get into the Elizabeth NJ facility. Wow is all I can say, and of course the ICE employees called the local police.

    I think the Dems — Senators and Congressmen — should get a search warrant from a local judge, then when the cops come, show them the warrant and have the cops escort them into the facility to see what horror is being kept secret. Cages with little kids in them at least.

    We know there’s illegality here, as many of these kids and their parents have committed no crime at all. All it takes is one kid to say the word asylum… busted for kidnapping.

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    Johannes says:

    @raven: Poor little kit; all best hopes and wishes.

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    chris says:


    Daniel Dale of the Toronto Star does it.

    Yeah, but he’s a foreigner…

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    I’ll be calling my brother in a few minutes to wish him a happy Father’s Day. Our Dad pased on 20 years ago last April & there’s not a day we don’t think of him…but Bro is the Dad-in residence at the moment.

    He has two great kids & a delightful granddaughter & will appeciate my wishes, but the call he’d really love to get is the one he won’t ever again – from his older son, Uncle Cosmo’s brilliant & redoubtable godson Skyler, who died suddenly & unexpectedly a year ago last August just as he was entering the prime of a life full of promise. Today is just one of a handful of dates scattered around the calendar that now will always be tinged with sadness for us.

    (ETA: maybe this belongs in the next thread – blame it on my endemic inability to navigate this site without IE11 repeatedly crashing.)

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    bluefish says:

    This is truly an out of body experience. Time to march on the White House. Beyond time. FUCK these people.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.):

    And he’s so fucking angry and bitter that the presidency didn’t do it for him.

    Count me among those who say that he never wanted the presidency in the first place. He wanted to lose to the woman that conservatives hate more than anyone else in the world under circumstances where he could argue (to morons, at least) that she cheated him of the victory. Then, he would ride the neverending outrage to the creation of a media empire to rival Rupert Murdoch’s. Or at least that was the plan. He never imagined that enough people would be so vile and disgusting that they would actually vote him into a job where he would actually be expected to work and to constantly have the eyes of the world judging him and holding him accountable for his words and deeds.

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    DissidentFish says:


    Apparently Andrew Sullivan wrote some piece where he called Trump delusional and that we’re all living in his delusions and we wouldn’t tolerate this in our personal lives from someone we knew.

    For awhile now, If Trump fans won’t take the hint and shut up about politics when hanging out, there are two things I tell them before i make it clear that we need to change the subject. (1) If you knew Trump personally, you would cut him out of your life (2) Should we all live till 2030, you will deny ever supporting Trump.

    Honestly it is so much worse than I thought it was going to be. [Though, it should be pointed out for those with W-Nostalgia, still not as bad as our torture regime. Yet.]

    Deuteronomy 24:17 !

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    Zinsky says:

    Paul Ryan is an accessory after the fact in enabling serial sexual predator and rapist Donald Trump. I’m sure the fathers of the 17 women this pervert has assaulted are very grateful for Ryan’s complicity in allowing this degenerate to escape justice.

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    Matt says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Shorter Bannon: “I’m pretty sure most American Catholics hate brown people more than they love Jesus, so I don’t anticipate any electoral blowback.”

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    Matt says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    “Civil War II”? We’re still dealing with partisans from the LAST one, FFS.

    Bringing up the KKK is a bad example – if every Confederate had been shot, there wouldn’t have BEEN anyone to form a paramilitary domestic terror org.

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    Kraux Pas says:



    Apparently fynyt doesn’t know the word lying. Scums all.

    So they dissemble to paper over this particular failing.

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    Teddys Person says:

    @Matt: Steve Bannon is a feckless fuck.

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    Organizations that are helping parents separated from their children and other migrants. Donate!

    Down to two Democratic holdouts. So far no Republicans have signed on.

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    Gvg says:

    @J R in WV: I agree dems should get a warrant. I also think local and state senior fostercare services have enough standing to get warrants, maybe guardium ad litem too. All known holding facilities should be inspected with police and cameras running more than once and by surprise. Govenors ought to be having agents arrested. Every child reported taken needs to be tracked down. Ice agent X Y and Z took a child, they should be asked who they gave the child too and what legal basis did you think the removal had, then that person they gave the child to should get the same treatment. Illegal removal should result in kidnapping charges as well as lies. Pretty quick the little order followers would start turning. It would probably stop further removals. I think the legal justifications were always not there but many lower level people wouldn’t sure. What I want is some arrests going to Sessions and homeland security. Not all the situations of the removals will be identical but this is being done with people who are sloppy, kind of stupid and no respect for the law. Make them pay by using the laws. There are a lot of conditions the law requires befor the state takes custody away from parents. For abusive parents I don’t think it acts so one enough but I am sure these removals didn ‘that meet the rules.

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