Kudos to White House Press Corps

This is encouraging — the White House press corps (well, some of them, anyway) dragged Huckabee-Sanders pretty hard this afternoon over the administration’s monstrous policy of separating immigrant parents from children at the border:

In the above clip, Paula Reid pushed back on Huckabee-Sanders’ bald-faced lie about family separation being the Democrats’ fault. Reid specifically cited Session’s statement that family separation is a “deterrent” as evidence that this ongoing atrocity is on the Republicans. Good for her. Brian Karem followed up, putting the issue in personal terms that clearly made Huckabee-Sanders uncomfortable. Then, Jim Acosta got theological:

Huckabee-Sanders got all snarky with her favorite punching bag, then said, “It is very biblical to enforce the law.”

Yeah, just ask Jesus, who was lawfully executed, ya slack-jawed, melon-headed, fart-huffing spawn of a hominy demon!

The people in this administration are truly awful human beings. But it’s vaguely encouraging to see that the White House press corps hasn’t been completely sapped of its capacity for moral outrage. Even if it takes an unambiguously monstrous policy to call it forth.

Open thread.

209 replies
  1. 1
    eemom says:

    The press corpse doing its job?? Holy shit, lemme check the window for flying pigs. 😳

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    chopper says:

    “It is very biblical to enforce the law.”

    and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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    We quoting the Bible now?

    A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.

    IT IS A GODDAMN SIN TO TAKE CHILDREN AWAY BY FORCE FROM THEIR MOTHERS. Answer that, you Pharisee hypocrites!

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    Bex says:

    I believe the relevant comment was, “the Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath.”

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    Here’s the Brian Karem clip.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    Goddammit, I’m not supposed to like Brian Karem (I have an infirm elderly client who is being divorced by his mom, the couple is aged, in a long term marriage and all the stepkids are ass deep in it), but I have to say I like the cut of his jib.

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    rikyrah says:

    THEY ARE NOT RETURNING THE CHILDREN TO DEPORTED PARENTS!!

    THEY.ARE.NOT.RETURNING.CHILDREN.TO.DEPORTED.PARENTS.

    Check Chris Hayes’ twitter feed.
    I’m so full of rage right now.

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    Elizabelle says:

    She’s blaming Democrats. Biggest tell of all there. It was the Democrats that did this here.

    Surprises me how unflappable she is. A Nazi in pearls, our Sarah is.

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    randy khan says:

    She keeps repeating that line about the Democrats as if it has anything to do with the issue. I mean, there aren’t enough Republican votes in the House to pass any immigration bill, so even if it were purely a matter of what the law said, the Dems aren’t the problem.

    That said, here’s a great opportunity for the Dems to push a simple legislative fix that says that children will not be separated from their parent at the border. As I recall, someone’s introduced that bill already.

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    Baud says:

    If they are going to blame Democrats, perhaps the people should elect Democrats.

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    Phillydude says:

    Karem: “Don’t you have any empathy?” Sanders: “Nope, none. Next question.”

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    Elizabelle says:

    I’m tired of these assholes gaslighting us.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Muh Democrats!

    Does that mean they’re going to stop attacking the ACA, since they’re not allowed to undo anything the Democrats (allegedly) did?

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Elizabelle:

    assholes gaslighting us

    OMG STOP MAKING FUN OF SARAH’S DIGESTIVE ISSUES!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Elizabelle: Nazi in pearls? I give you Unity Mitford.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    Murc’s law: Only Democrats have agency.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Elizabelle:
    If only the Republicans could get themselves into a situation where they had the power and authority to correct this awful “Democrat” policy, then they wouldn’t need to biblically grab up all the babies. If only….

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    TenguPhule says:

    I’m sorry, we’re giving awards to the White House Press Pool for BASIC DECENCY now?

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    Yarrow says:

    “We’re just following the law” sounds an awful lot like the Nuremberg defense.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Chyron HR:
    Sarah’s ashy gaslight. Try saying that five times fast.

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    geg6 says:

    @randy khan:

    Separating children from their parents was never a part of any of the laws they are claiming they are following. It’s all part of the big lie they are telling the rubes. And, as I read someone say below, since when do they take away your children for 1) asking for asylum, a perfectly legal action or 2) committing a misdemeanor? So anyone double parked outside the elementary school down the street (dozens and dozens of cars every single morning of the school year, right next to the signs saying “No double parking”) now has to forfeit their kids? I mean, I’m fine with that because I can’t stand these women (almost all Trump voters). But there are people I actually like who would be caught up in this. ;-)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @chopper:

    and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    I have a whole volcano to throw at Sanders and Trump. Can I get it Fedexed?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elizabelle: @randy khan: Even if it were the Democrats’ fault, Republicans are the majority in both chambers and could fix the problem. It’s not the Democrats’ fault, however, as separation of parents from their children was never a policy under President Obama. Just another bold faced lie.

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    James Powell says:

    Kudos to White House Press Corps

    This is a B-J headline I never expected to see written without bitter sarcasm.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    “Sarah, you’re a parent. Don’t you have empathy for what these people are going through?”

    No, SATSQ.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Phillydude: Lack of empathy is a defining characteristic of Republicans and conservatives.

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    ChiGail says:

    Sorry to complain but . . .Audio Pop-up really getting to me lately.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    If they are going to blame Democrats, perhaps the people should elect Democrats.

    Madness! That would mean Democrats would have power to go along with their blame. //

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    MattF says:

    The Trumpites have no fucking idea how bad this looks. The minimal empathy needed to see it is just not there. They try to blame Dems, they try to say they’re just enforcing the law, and everyone knows they’re lying.

    ETA: I’m willing to put real money on the proposition that it’s been brought up to Mr. Big, and he just smirks.

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    Zach says:

    She’d almost have a point if Donald Trump didn’t have a non-negotiable position of ending almost all immigration except by the young and/or rich in any theoretical attempt at an immigration compromise with Democrats.

    And there’s zero compromise on the table that’d stop this separation from happening if Trump’s maximally enforcing the law.

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    kindness says:

    Karma is going to be such a shock to some of these people.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow:

    “We’re just following the law” sounds an awful lot like the Nuremberg defense.

    And they’re not even following the law, these fuckers are breaking the law when it comes to asylum seekers and their children.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @geg6:

    It’s all part of the big lie they are telling the rubes.

    Not sure why; the rubes are getting off on treating the immigrants this way. They’d get off even more if there was a modest Jonathan Swiftian proposed solution to further punish the parents.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @MattF:

    and everyone knows they’re lying.

    Well, 73% of us do.

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    cain says:

    The press is doing their job here because it is a truly evil policy, and it isn’t a “some people say” or “both sides” kind of bullshit. It’s a clear policy done by Sessions to purposely separate children from their parents, and then wtf, not give them back? Is that we do now? Just incarcerate children and what are we holding them for? It seems that they can’t even get legal representation.

    Sessions should pay for this.. pay dearly, I hope we can deport several of his family members.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Yarrow:

    “We’re just following the law” sounds an awful lot like the Nuremberg defense.

    It’s not a defense. It’s just an explanation. Republicans claim to be the pro-life, pro-family party and yet are okay with separating migrant children from their parents which is the most anti-family action one can take.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @cain:

    Sessions should pay for this.. pay dearly, I hope we can deport several of his family members.

    I believe the traditional fairy tale punishment is to be pushed into his own oven while its nice and hot.

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    cain says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    Only for white people, minorities aren’t human, neither are immigrants. Or even stricter, only the people in flyover country, salt of the earth, rural people, not those liberals

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    rikyrah says:

    UH HUH

    Just talking to a former IRS official about this. He was amazed at the range of the violations here. “They hit an extroardinary catalog of how *not* to run a private foundation. There’s little else he could have done that would have made it worse.” https://t.co/349rMIV8rr

    — David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) June 14, 2018

    It is amazing. It’s not that Trump tried to get around the law, or find loopholes, as other rich people do. It’s that he completely ignored the fact that laws governing charitable foundations exist.

    — ((((Peter Sagal)))) (@petersagal) June 14, 2018

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @TenguPhule: Giving them kudos for doing their dang jobs and asking tough questions. Shouldn’t be necessary but here we are.

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    cain says:

    @TenguPhule:

    The believe the traditional fairy tale punishment is to be pushed into his own oven while its nice and hot.

    My true wish is that he wakes up one day changed into a migrant worker, and then get taken away by ICE. Perfect Twilight Zone episode. Hell, let’s see if we can get netflix to make an episode.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @kindness: Cheney is still kicking it so I’m not sure if karma is a real thing.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I’m tired of these assholes gaslighting us.

    Irresistibly, the image that comes to mind is of Sarah holding a match to one of her own farts.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @ChiGail:

    Email Cole directly, and that’s not a sarcastic joke. He specifically asked people to do it so he has some evidence with him when he calls the ad hosting company to yell at them about it.

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    Calouste says:

    @rikyrah: And
    1) He did it for what is supposed to be chump change ($20MM out of $10BB)
    2) This has been going on for 30 years without anyone paying attention.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @cain: Someone on Nicole Wallace’s point just made a great point: “Trump may not be able to do anything for the working class people who voted for him but he sure can make the lives of the people they hate worse”. YEP. That appears to be the whole focus of the Republican party. Do nothing to help the White working class but do everything to hurt people of color.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Republican/conservative voters do not think the brown migrants are people, so separating these families means nothing to them. They cannot imagine themselves in that situation because they are white and they are not migrants and they are not escaping threats to their lives. Since they can’t imagine it, it doesn’t exist to them. It’s nothing to them.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Did you hear back from the efg family?

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    And now Franklin Graham

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    marcopolo says:

    I might give some kudos to the press if one of them had pushed back against all of SHS “the dems law” crap. I’d give points for either pointing out that the Rs have had control of both houses of Congress since 2015, and the Democrats have no control over what laws get passed (or enforced) right now so why the fuck is she blaming them. Or for clearly pointing out that when the Obama administration pursued their immigration policy they did not separate kids from their parents–that this is new from the Trump run ICE & CBP folks (this was articulated in a muddy way so partial credit for that). Or for clearly asking why, since Rs hold both houses of Congress & the Presidency they don’t just fix this “phantom law” now.

    But for some reason in the back and forth between the reporters and Sanders I never actually hear any of these points clearly and cleanly articulated.

    Anyone agree with this or am I just missing the forest for the trees or being too picky?

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    Johnny Gentle (famous crooner) says:

    @chopper: And notice how beaten down everyone is by the non-stop Trump craziness that it barely raises any eyebrows when a Press Secretary casually explains its policy is based on state-sponsored religion.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @marcopolo:

    I agree totally. They just keep emoting and not tackling her on the factual point.

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    cain says:

    @Yarrow:

    @Patricia Kayden: Republican/conservative voters do not think the brown migrants are people, so separating these families means nothing to them. They cannot imagine themselves in that situation because they are white and they are not migrants and they are not escaping threats to their lives. Since they can’t imagine it, it doesn’t exist to them. It’s nothing to them.

    A steady dose of Fox News and talk radio has built this attitude. If we can stop the spigot in some way, we can at least stop people from getting propagandized.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: He knows which way the wind is blowing on this. And doesn’t want to be torn to pieces by an angry mob.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @The Dangerman:

    The white supremacists are getting off on it. The rubes are saying, Wait, how is this policy pro-life? You told us this was the most pro-life administration ever. So far, they haven’t gotten a good answer from any of their leaders.

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    HeleninEire says:

    Could not watch. I tried. I swear. She’s a feckless CUNT. Just like Ivanka

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    MattF says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I’m actually sorta impressed with that. More to the point, though, this means that quite a few Evangelicals feel the same way. Combine this with Pence’s not-so-welcoming reception at SB convention…

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Johnny Gentle (famous crooner): The traditional penalty for adultery in their religion is death.

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    Mike in DC says:

    There’s a passage in the bible that talks about dashing the heads of babies against rocks, but I don’t want to give these psychopaths any more ideas.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Franklin Graham actually hedges. From the article linked in the tweet:

    North Carolina-based evangelist Franklin Graham on Wednesday called separating children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border “disgraceful” and “terrible,” but he steered clear of blaming the practice on a new Trump administration policy.

    In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Graham blamed what’s happening at the border on lawmakers “over generations.”

    When a network interviewer asked Graham for his thoughts on the new policy, which she said “appears to be separating” children and their parents at the border, Graham replied:

    “I think it’s disgraceful, it’s terrible, to see families ripped apart, and I don’t support that one bit. And I blame the politicians for the last 20, 30 years that have allowed this to escalate to the point where it is today.

    So it’s “disgraceful” but not Trump’s fault, has been happening for “generations” or “decades,” “appears” to be happening and both sides are to blame. Profile in courage right there.

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    Zach says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Graham doesn’t care about the children or their families. He just wants Trump to think that a Graham endorsement isn’t guaranteed so that he’s not taken for granted.

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    cmorenc says:

    @chopper:

    and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    I prefer the “Big Lebowski” version of this passage::

    Let he who is without sin cast the first hit to get stoned

    Note: of course the above is not an actual quote from that movie, but it coulda, shoulda been.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike in DC:

    but I don’t want to give these psychopaths any more ideas.

    Tent cities in Texas in the summer has got to be a Geneva convention violation.

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    Elizabelle says:

    You guys, watch out for the trap though, and it’s there.

    Tie Sessions to this abomination of a policy; libtards scream for his resignation, and then ….

    Tell me someone in the White House or among circle of jerks advisors hasn’t gamed that scenario out.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Graham sees the danger he’s in with his flock, but he just can’t stop blaming Democrats for Republican actions.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Elizabelle: Sessions won’t resign. He’ll have to be fired.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: And if he’s fired for advocating this terrible policy …

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    @Yarrow: Yes, he’s going along with the “couldn’t be us” folks, but it gives some impetus to Evangelicals to be horrified at this. And it’s being done NOW and must stop NOW. The administration can’t get away from that.

    @Mike in DC: I think there’s something about bears eating babies, too. And of course the New Testament story about killing babies because one might be the Christ.

    @MattF: I have been wary of Sarah Kendzior for some time now, but she pointed out today that most authoritarian regimes try to hide the atrocities they do to children because there is a universal revulsion at such things. I think she’s right about that. Evangelicals aren’t immune to human feelings.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mnemosyne: I think you guys should always say Franklin Graham, because there’s also the prominent Lindsey ….

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle:

    And if he’s fired for advocating this terrible policy …

    He’ll spread the blame right back at Trump.

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    JPL says:

    Is anyone watching Todd on MSNBC? Did Jennifer Palmieri said although he believed he wasn’t acting from partisan shit.
    hmm

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Yarrow:

    “I blame the politicians for the last 20, 30 years that have allowed this to escalate to the point where it is today.”

    Allow me to translate for you: If we hadn’t given all those brown people amnesty in the 1980s, they would have stopped coming!

    He’s actually right that Reagan’s cruel and illogical refugee and amnesty policies of the 1980s created this problem but, as usual, Graham can’t accept that the problem was that Reagan’s policy was too cruel, not that it wasn’t cruel enough.

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    Whether the press corps gets “credit” or not is beside the point here. They’ve apparently been driven to object to their daily beat down, which is a good thing completely apart from credit. I like to think it’s a sign that every day more people wake up from their Trump trance.

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    cmorenc says:

    @Elizabelle:

    @Yarrow: And if he’s fired for advocating this terrible policy …

    How ironic that if Sessions does eventually get fired, it will be for his one moment of ethical behavior in recusing himself from the Russia investigation, and not for his involvement in the many crimes against humanity the Trump Administration has / is committing as deliberate policy.

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    Bill says:

    Someone needs to ask her to cite the statute, administrative rule or case that requires the United States government to separate children from their parents.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @cain: Total boycott of all advertisers on NewsCorp would be a good start. Fuck FNC’s paltry advertisers, it’s long past time to go after the parent company for supporting this malignancy. Should be a lot easier soon once Disney buys up most of it.

    It goes without saying that includes all of their tv shows and movies too. But I guess that’s going to be perceived as too heavy a burden for most to bear…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Elizabelle: He is a cunning little shit with good survival instincts. He probably has a recording of Trump laughing about the program.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    It’s not Sessions’ policy. It’s John Kelly’s. This is his brainchild, and it needs to be hung around his fucking neck.

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    varmintito says:

    When Life seems to be a string of unliftable burdens and insurmountable obstacles, I think of these gangsters being fed to Wu’s pigs and I find the strength to carry on.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    Not yet. IIRC though, it took two or three days last time we went through this. Believe me, I’ll post the minute I hear anything, and if it’s in a dying or non-open thread, I’ll ask Adam or AL or TaMara to highlight it. Keeping fingers crossed in the meantime.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @Mnemosyne: Maybe print it out and hang it around his feet as extra weight for when he’s hung from a fucking lamp post.

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    efgoldman says:

    Not dead yet. Feeling much better
    Home from various hospitals and nursing homes (hell hole)
    No details. Frankly, I don’t want to read yours, so i won’t share mine.

    Special thanks to Ms SD of Atlanta, GA, who reached out to ms efg
    Looks like nothing much has changed in Weasel Face world in 10 days

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    Yarrow says:

    @Elizabelle: If Trump’s going to fire him, then Trump’s going to fire him. I don’t think it would happen until the investigation gets very, very close to Trump. If he does fire Sessions it will be the act of a desperate man with nowhere to turn. Meanwhile, I don’t worry about it. Worrying about it doesn’t help me and certainly won’t change Trump’s or Sessions’ actions.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @efgoldman: Yea!!! So glad to see you, efg! You’ve made my day, and many others’.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I hope Sarah feels abject misery and shame. Not that it would matter enough to her to quit the job or take a stand. Everyone connected to this administration or who supports it is vile.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @efgoldman:

    Hi! So glad to see you.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    I thought we heard yesterday that she is quitting the job.

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    efgoldman says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    I hope Sarah feels abject misery and shame.

    I don’t think she’s any more capable of it then her boss is

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    Yutsano says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I don’t trust their numbers worth a damn. We need an independent accounting.

    @efgoldman: Well at least no war in Korea for a bit and the separation of children thing is probably gonna tear the Republican party to shreds.

    Also: WHAT UP???

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    @TenguPhule: Tent cities in Arizona in the summer was violation but it didn’t stop Sheriff “I don’t have to obey Federal or International Law” Arpaio for the 24 years his tents were open. It wasn’t unusual for temps to get up around 130 degrees. I have no hopes that Texas will be any wiser. What sucks even worse is that children are MUCH more susceptible to heat stroke than adults and putting children in these tent cities is dangerous AF.

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    @Mnemosyne: Surely, you don’t mean the brave and upright Marine general who was going to the grown-up in the WH.
    //

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mnemosyne: That nice Catholic John Kelly? Who thinks the best Americans are found in cemeteries? (He told us that during his, uh, extraordinary press conference after the Fredericka Wilson slam and the terrible disrespect shown La David Johnson’s widow.) That John Kelly? No!

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    Yarrow says:

    @ SiubhanDuinne: Thank you. I don’t always get to see every thread so I hope you repeat it a few times when you do hear. Fingers crossed.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Yes indeed. And a child ripped from him by death. The most honorable death possible. A military death. That John Kelly.

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    @Yutsano: Those numbers are bad enough, but yeah.

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    Bill says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Evangelicals aren’t immune to human feelings.

    Assumes facts not in evidence.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Hi!

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    Raoul says:

    “It is very biblical to enforce the law.”

    Rudy Giuliani would like for us all to quickly forget the “stone the adulterer” thing. As would his boss.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman:

    SO glad to hear from you! Welcome back, get better, and comment as often as you can.

    Hope you’ve saved up a big bucket of “fuckem”s to share, as we have great need of them these days.

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    JPL says:

    @efgoldman: Can you give us a giant fuckem. We missed that.

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    @marcopolo: @zhena gogolia:
    I agree with you both. There was little real push back against “that’s been the law” and no push back at all about the fact that Dems aren’t in control of anything and the GOP could do something on its own if they wanted. This issue of separating kids from their parents is the kind of thing that will get me protesting in the street. It’s completely un-effing-acceptable.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @marcopolo: Paula Reid in the first clip specifically pushed back on that lie.

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    Yarrow says:

    @efgoldman: Hey! I just read SD’s comment above and replied to it and now just saw yours! Glad you’re home from the hospital and nursing home and recovering. We miss your voice.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Mother of God, she’s an awful person

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Maybe if we put her in hockey gear and stick her in the penalty box for 2 minutes? 🤔

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    efgoldman says:

    @JPL: FUCKEM!!!

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @efgoldman: Fuck’em

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @efgoldman:

    You scared us, old man! Don’t do that again.

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    JPL says:

    This is the way Sessions’ is interpreting the law. If a child is unaccompanied at the border, they have to follow specific guidelines. Since they throw parents in jail at the border, their children are now unaccompanied.

    It would not be possible for me to be in a room with these folks

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    jl says:

    ” just ask Jesus, ”

    Lady Cracker reveals her Godless ways. Jesus was the previous Dispensation. His advice was for the Jews of Israel 2000 plus change years ago.
    A Godly person misquotes and misrepresents Paul these days, current Dispensation main man, which is what the reactionary prot fundies are doing.

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    Mandalay says:

    Congressman Darrell Issa on CNN just now, seriously arguing that Trump was obliged to return a salute from a North Korean general as a sign of respect.

    It’s a shame that nobody mentioned to him that when North Korean generals saluted President Moon and his military officials in April those salutes were not returned:

    Ri Myong-su, chief of the General Staff of the Korean People’s Army, and North Korean Defence Minister Pak Yong-sik stood to attention in full military uniform and saluted Moon.

    But the gesture was not reciprocated by the South Korean military officials – a reminder that the two sides are technically still at war. Jeong Kyeong-doo, chairman of the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff, offered a handshake and Defence Minister Song Young-moo merely nodded to the North Korean leader.

    Trump got played like a fiddle by the North Koreans.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    So far, they haven’t gotten a good answer from any of their leaders.

    I feel for the Republicans (not really). Their business base wants the cheap labor but their base base goes apeshit when they hear something that sounds like amnesty to them. Right now, the base base is winning (and the white supremacists are just a small fraction of the BB).

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @efgoldman: Good to see you. You’ve been missed and gossiped about behind your back (but in a good way).

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @varmintito: Ha!

    @efgoldman: Yay! You’re back in Jackal-land from Healthcare Hellhole!

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    JPL says:

    @efgoldman: That made me smile, and thank you.

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    @Betty Cracker: Not strongly enough, Huckabee talked right over her.

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    catclub says:

    @Raoul:

    “It is very biblical to enforce the law.”

    This is why Japan is total chaos – no biblical tradition. Also China

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: “And then you get free.”

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    Aleta says:

    @efgoldman: Thank dog you’re back in print.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That is a great collection of replies to her. I kind of wonder if her Baptist minister dad taught her that crappy theology.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Uh-oh. She pissed off a Jesuit. That never ends well.

    And the rabbi’s quoting from Leviticus has an extra layer of shade since the claim by evangelicals that LGBT people are sinners originates with a passage in Leviticus. Have fun parsing that, Franklin Graham!

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    ruemara says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Man, he can go fuck himself with the largest, most sacrilegious of dildos possible. He is scum. Hateful, villainous, scum. I didn’t like his dad much, but Franklin takes the cake as a hypocritical motherfucker

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    As one of the faces of the administration, she’s just dreadful. May she be infested with the fleas of a thousand camels.

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    jl says:

    @Mandalay: To be fair, a salute by Trump is nothing, compared to a split-second ambiguous movement by Obama, that from some camera angles could be interpreted as a half-bow, which was an impeachable offense, and an obvious signal that he was selling the US out to Big Islam.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman:

    FUCKEM!!!

    Aaaahhh.

    :: leans back, lights cigarette ::

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Ms. D. Ranged in AZ: Agreed, but they showed more spine than usual. Credit where it’s due and always be working the refs, that’s my motto.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @rikyrah: The real amazing thing here is that no one (law enforcement) looked at this in the last decade, and no one other than David Farenthold looked at this during the election and spent vastly more time on the apparently blameless Clinton Foundation.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    @Elizabelle:

    Now, now. I think we’ve all agreed to let certain peoples’ overly optimistic comments of 2016 go since they now admit that they were wrong.

    But anyone outside the B-J family who tries to pull that bullshit gets it with both barrels.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    the fleas of a thousand camels.

    I love it. Gonna imagine her, itchy and scratchy under those pearls. Little varmints flying around her.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @efgoldman:

    Ooh, I needed that!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @ruemara: Agreed. His father was an avid anti-Semite and shameless huckster. But the son is 10 times worse. He must be hearing some serious dissent in the ranks to condemn the current atrocities. Good. Their embrace of the degenerate wannabe fascist should end all their careers. I hope it takes them all out.

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    Aleta says:

    @Mnemosyne: And he participated in creating the conditions that force Hondurans to flee north to this day. With profit all around for him and his friends in the Honduran govt and military.

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    marcopolo says:

    On an off-topic note: Yesterday I visited three (3!) Democratic campaign offices in the St. Louis area. I had two goals: 1) finding out what was happening now & how I could help; 2) getting bumperstickers & yard signs for me & my friends. Totally struck out on #2. The first office, which was the only one I knew about when I started out yesterday, is about 8 miles from where I live. I’d first dropped by this past Sunday but discovered they were not open on either Sunday or Monday. I read the paper on the door and diligently noted when they were “open” (12-8 M-Sat) and went back yesterday at 2. The place was again locked, dark, and devoid of any kind of activity. Since it was a MO Democratic Party Regional campaign office and I am a paid card carrying member of the MO D Party I got on my phone and immediately called the main office in Jefferson City, the state capital, to bitch. I mean there is no good reason a campaign office that is leased and furnished–and stocked with campaign crap (I could see it through the window: signs, bumperstickers, etc… for any number of candidates)–should not be staffed two months before the MO primaries. While I was kvetching about this the nice young man on the phone gave me the address of a second office 4 miles closer to where i live. So I went by there on the way home. This office, which was a Claire McCaskill coordinated campaign office (which I gather means that the McCaskill campaign is paying for the office but the folks working there will be providing support to any/all the Dem candidates geographically close to its location) was open and had 7-8 young folks (plus one person a few years older than me staffing the reception desk :)) doing various campaign oriented things. They said they were already doing both phone and serious door-to-door canvassing for Nov. Which was excellent to hear. One of the kids proudly states the coordinated campaign had knocked 120K doors in MO in just the last week. Great. I told them where I lived and asked if they were doing any canvassing closer to there. And that is when I learned about the 3rd campaign office which is, drum roll please, five blocks from where I live. Yeah go figure. I drove there, basically driving home, and this office was open and had 5 or 6 young folks working hard. I swapped contact info with the field organizer for that office & I will start volunteering there the first week in July when I get back from a trip to Pennsylvania. Yahoo.

    Needless to say, in the staffed offices where all the work was getting done there were no bumper stickers or yard signs. Which I actually think is a good thing, though I would have liked a few, because that kind of stuff doesn’t not last long in a busy office where folks are working. And it was wonderful to see so much happening at the ground level this far ahead of the election. Let’s hope the opposition is not this organized.

    Finally, is it asking too much that political campaigns just list their office locations somewhere on a webpage on their site? Because I had looked for both the McCaskill campaign and the MO Dem party and that information is not to be found.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @jl:

    Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication

    ETA: Sir Tim Rice

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    First tent city is to be built near El Paso where temps are already in triple digits.
    thread

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    trollhattan says:

    @efgoldman:
    Well HOWDY pardner!

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    brendancalling says:

    If I was Sarah Sanders, I’d be drinking Dran-O right now. She KNOWS she’s on the wrong side of history, and you can SEE it. She knows she’s going to live out the rest of her life judged as a monster. She knows she’ll never be invited on the nice shows and treated as a nice person, and she knows how awful this is (like she choked up when that little kid asked her about guns two weeks ago).

    She knows. She feels the guilt, as much as she tries to hide it. And as a born-again, she knows EXACTLY what the Bible says about people like her.

    Like I said, if I was SHS, I’d be drinking Dran-O.

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    trollhattan says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    I swear Arpaio got himself put in charge of the kids. Has he ordered up their pink jumpsuits?

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    lollipopguild says:

    @efgoldman: Good to hear from you.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    What about laws protecting minorities, gays, transgendered folks. Why does it seem religious folks flout those laws?

    As Anthony Bourdain would undoubtedly say,
    “Motherfuckers”

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    You scared us, old man!

    Scared me and mrs efg, too

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @trollhattan:

    I haven’t been able to look squarely at this because just the mural of Trump in the internment camp yesterday sent me into a tizzy, but did I see something this morning to the effect that they’ve called the internment camp “Casa Padre”?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Fuck your feelings! //

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    marcopolo says:

    @Betty Cracker: In my comment I gave partial credit to her (not by name mind you, but that was who I was referencing) :). I wish she had said it more clearly & louder–could be my hearing sucks but SHS talked right through/over her.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @marcopolo: Yeah, that drives me nuts too. Intake handled online, when so many of us would love to just pop by an office. You almost have to have inside connections (as you did).

    it’s bad. Should be on the campaign websites. I wondered if it’s not, to stop protestors and vandals, but it also stops fired up volunteers in their tracks.

    Bad Democrats.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    You’ve been missed and gossiped about behind your back

    Oh god! You found out about the two sheep and the ten year old

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    Elizabelle says:

    @efgoldman: And now, may I interest you in some peas ….

    Nursing homes could be a lot better. Have seen a few nice ones, but they are kinda institutional. Stay home, efg!

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    Immanentize says:

    @efgoldman:
    Love pours from me to your “fuck ’em.”

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Yarrow:
    Name a theology that isn’t crappy.

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    rikyrah says:

    @efgoldman:
    Hey efgold 🙌😄👍
    Good to see you back

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    trollhattan says:

    @brendancalling:
    Daddy’s an avuncular cafeteria Christian fraud and brother is a dog killer. I wouldn’t extend Possum Queen the credit she doesn’t believe in the spirit of Trumpism, even as she doles out lies she knows are lies.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @kindness: I think I’ve mentioned this before, but in Mordecai Richler’s book, Solomon Gursky Was Here, a character on his deathbed says, “If God exists, I’m fucked”.

    These people better hope that there is no God

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    marcopolo says:

    @efgoldman: Good to see you commenting!

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    efgoldman says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    You’re back in Jackal-land from Healthcare Hellhole!

    I will never, ever, ever bad mouth nurses. Without them the hospital falls down

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    Immanentize says:

    @Mandalay:
    Just picture Obama saluting a Noth Korean general

    Now picture the outrage at Obama saluting any white inferior officer.

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    trollhattan says:

    @efgoldman:
    Ten’s getttin’ up there for a sheep, farmer ef. :-P

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    ruemara says:

    @marcopolo: Go you!

    @A Ghost To Most: As a pagan, we do ok.

    @efgoldman: Welcome back! Are you medically allowed to surround yourself with jackals?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Immanentize:
    Recalls “bowgate” and all the wingnuts digging out their protractors. “How DARE he bow?!?”

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    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    That was Matthew Miller, MSNBC “justice and security analyst.” He laid it out very clearly. Credit where it’s due.

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    Yarrow says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Pastafarianism.

    @schrodingers_cat: Beto O’Rourke, Ted Cruz’s Democratic opponent for Senate, is a current Representative from El Paso. This issue seems tailor made for him to be out front about it, outspoken and to take a strong moral stand.

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    lowtechcyclist says:

    Since SHS says it’s Biblical to enforce the law, let’s see what the Law – the Biblical law, the Torah – says about this.

    “You shall not deprive aliens and orphans of justice.” – Deuteronomy 24:17

    “When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.” – Deuteronomy 26:12

    “When you are harvesting in your field and you overlook a sheaf, do not go back to get it. Leave it for the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. When you beat the olives from your trees, do not go over the branches a second time. Leave what remains for the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow. When you harvest the grapes in your vineyard, do not go over the vines again. Leave what remains for the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt. That is why I command you to do this. – Deuteronomy 24:19-22

    “The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord.” – Numbers 15:15

    “And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.” – Deuteronomy 10:19

    So, Ms. Sanders, there’s your Law. Gonna enforce it, or what?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @efgoldman:

    We just had proof of this yesterday. The nurses tell you what you need to know when the doctors don’t care.

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    raven says:

    @efgoldman: Hey brah, great to see you back!

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    rp says:

    Remarkably stupid tweets by Silver:

    Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538
    Follow Follow @NateSilver538
    More Nate Silver Retweeted Nate Silver
    To put a finer point on this, 90% of the punditocracy’s commentary on the Singapore summit seems to be constructed with the goal of convincing people that Trump shouldn’t get any credit for it—rather than rationally analyzing the merits and demerits of the “deal”.Nate Silver added,
    Nate Silver
    Verified account

    @NateSilver538
    There are a lot of esoteric takes about the Trump-Kim summit that sidestep the rather important question of whether the talks reduce the likelihood of nuclear war.
    7:11 AM – 12 Jun 2018

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    Mandalay says:

    @rikyrah:

    “We are a nation of borders and laws. A nation that cannot control its borders is not a nation, according to Ronald Reagan.”

    That has been a mantra for Trump for the past two years, yet Meghan McCain thinks nobody will notice that she is siding with him if she craftily throws in a reference to St. Ronnie.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Yarrow: I saw something at the GOS. That suggestsBetois working the issue hard.

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    @efgoldman: Ah, good to hear from you was concerned.

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    Immanentize says:

    @lowtechcyclist: you are flipping her point and helping her by doing so!!

    Sanders did NOT say you should follow God’s law, she said religious people should follow SECULAR law. “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.” She was advocating fully for separation of church and State. Do not give these asses a religious inch!

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    chopper says:

    @efgoldman:

    you still have so many “fuckem”s to give.

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    Immanentize says:

    @trollhattan:
    Zackly

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    sigaba says:

    @Yarrow:

    “We’re just following the law” sounds an awful lot like the Nuremberg defense.

    “I was following the law” is actually the Eichmann defense. The Nuremberg defense was “I was following superior orders.” It’s actually a really crucial difference.

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    eemom says:

    @rp:

    Kristof started that shit last week, pre-“summit”, with his finger wagging at Democrats for not admitting trump was “doing something right.” Sanctimonious asshole.

    However, he at least admitted the thing was a shitshow afterwards. Somebody needs to put little Natie down for a nap.

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    @efgoldman:

    I will never, ever, ever bad mouth nurses. Without them the hospital falls down

    This is what the kid tells me, then again, she’s biased being that she’s a RN.

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    @efgoldman: Oooo. I heard it was only ONE sheep. Now I’m disgusted.

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    sukabi says:

    @efgoldman: welcome back. Glad you’re doing better. You were missed.☺

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    sukabi says:

    @HeleninEire: funny, I was thinking the same thing about Comey.

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    Mary G says:

    @efgoldman: So glad to see you here again!

    various hospitals and nursing homes (hell hole)

    Fuckem.

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    OMG – This is why they’re doing it.

    Pay up for the wall, and we stop kidnaping kids!

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @TenguPhule: Well, considering what they’ve been like, yeah, pretty much.

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    Ruckus says:

    Hey you lying sack of useless shit, is it “biblical” to bullshit the people you work for so that you all can fuck over small children and their parents, just so the asshole you worship, dumpf, can get a tiny, itty bitty hard on?

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    Mandalay says:

    @rp: You make a good point. When Silver got called on his stupidity on the Twitter thread, he decided to move the goalposts:

    I’m not talking about the reporting, which is a lot more equivocal, so much as the opinions of blue-checkmarks on Twitter, which is thinly-reasoned, doesn’t cite many “true” experts, and studiously avoids the question of how the summit affects the chances of nuclear war.

    Originally Silver was talking about “90% of the punditocracy’s commentary”, and was clearly referring to reporting in the mainstream media, but then chose to completely redefine that as “the opinions of blue-checkmarks on Twitter” after he realized he was full of shit, and getting called on it.

    What a dishonest jackass.

    (And the irony of Silver sneeringly referring to the punditocracy, as if he wasn’t a fully paid up member…)

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @kindness: They do make me wish Ibelieved in a last judgment. And that I could be in line behind them.

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    D58826 says:

    In 1944/45 we fought the largest naval battle in history and conducted the largest land invasion in history. In 1969 we landed a man on the moon. But in 2018 we can’t keep mothers and their kids together while their legal status is being adjudicated?

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    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @efgoldman:

    Good to hear from you!

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @MattF: See Felton’s posts about SBC convention. He seems to doubt there was much disagreement with Pence speaking at convention. Posts at his blog bobfelton.com.

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    bemused says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    What kid wouldn’t love to live in tents without their parents for months, years? And it’s not like there are ever any violent thunderstorms, tornadoes or flooding from 20 inch rain gushers.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @brendancalling:

    She KNOWS she’s on the wrong side of history, and you can SEE it.

    Nope. She’s blank and empty except for rot and decay, exuding a miasmal fug of hate. She is one of the least human people I have ever witnessed.

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    Shana says:

    @marcopolo: I’m with you on your complaints about the questions the press didn’t ask.

    After I heard about the Border Control people ripping the breastfeeding infant from its mother the first thing that popped into my head was the story from the Holocaust about Germans taking babies from their jewish mothers and beating them against the wall to kill the babies. Given that Trump et.al. are already labeling immigrants as animals, and now this news, how far away are we from that?

    I’m truly heartsick about all this.

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    bemused says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Agree. She is just pissed off she has to put up with moral and empathy questions from the fake media. Her snotty remark about short sentences is a tell.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Shana: This is the emotional peak of one of the most influential antislavery poems from the Wilberforce campaign in 1788:

    By felon hands, by one relentless stroke,
    See the fond links of Nature broke!
    The fibres twisting round a parent’s heart,
    Torn from their grasp, and bleeding as they part.

    Fast forward 230 years and… :(

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @bemused: She’s heinous in the strict etymological sense.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Did we ever doubt that a shakedown was coming?

    “Do what I say, and I’ll stop hitting you kidnapping children…it’s all your fault…”

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    Travels with charley says:

    Long time lurker here. Great to see efgoldman back! Best news of the day, I cheered when I saw your comment!

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    Spaniel says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    @cain: Someone on Nicole Wallace’s point just made a great point: “Trump may not be able to do anything for the working class people who voted for him but he sure can make the lives of the people they hate worse”. YEP. That appears to be the whole focus of the Republican party. Do nothing to help the White working class but do everything to hurt people of color.

    The poem by Martin Niemoller comes to mind,

    “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: How could you Nazi that coming?

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    The Lodger says:

    @efgoldman: Glad to hear from you! Get better!

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    J R in WV says:

    @efgoldman:

    Not dead yet. Feeling much better

    Hurray!!

    I have a paraplegic friend who has a hat that says in big letters NOT DEAD YET!! so I think that’s a fine slogan. Keep in touch oldest fart!!!! We miss you when you aren’t here for a steady run!

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    J R in WV says:

    @brendancalling:

    …If I was SHS I’d be drinking Draino…

    Yeh, but wait. Isn’t harming oneself like that also in their holeee book as a “never, never do this!!!” So she can’t do self-harm or Dawg won’t love her enough. Probably learned this at Pastor Mike Huckabee’s knee while sucki… well, never mind. And she didn’t learn anything about self immolation back then, either.

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    joel hanes says:

    @efgoldman:

    Not dead yet.

    Granny Weatherwax saw what you did there.

    Keep on keepin’ on, efg.

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    satby says:

    @efgoldman: it’s hours later, but very happy to see you back and feeling better. We’ve missed your very special way of saying fuckem, needed now more than ever!

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    WhyKnot241 says:

    Remind me not to get into a cussing contest with Betty

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