Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

My husband has this entire week off, but I have to work. We did our motorcycle trip over a three-day weekend, but he’s doing a staycation thing the rest of this week and just puttering around the house.

From this experience, I’ve concluded that if either of us is ever able to retire (doubtful), we better do it at the same time. He’s driving me fucking nuts.

Open thread!






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    chopper says:

    @WereBear:

    jesus, that fake steak in the pan looks revolting.

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    oatler. says:

    Anyone have advice for a tomato plant whose leaves are (almost) catching fire in the Arizona heat?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @WereBear: I particularly like this one.

    Sgaia’s “steak” marks the low point for me – not just of this taste test but of any food-based experience, or perhaps just any experience, I’ve ever had. It looks like placenta. It has the texture of saltwater taffy. And it tastes like … nothing I can really identify beyond a soy aftertaste that can’t be removed even with bleach. After trying it, I watch a video in which a vegan claims it to be no different to a real steak, to which I can only reply: get yourself down to Hawksmoor, mate. Mheat seems to be the best argument for eating meat since Morrissey.

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    raven says:

    We’re on day three of her retirement. `she went to Atlanta to buy a really nice sewing machine with her main co-conspitor. Monday she asked me if she was noisy and `I said “no, its was fine”. We’ll see.

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    chopper says:

    @oatler.:

    water it extra. the evaporation, both from the ground and the leaves, will help.

    if you need to, fill a jug with a few small weep holes at the bottom and leave it next to it to keep the soil sufficiently damp. maybe wrap something around it so the sun doesn’t overheat the water.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @TenguPhule: I tried the Impossible Burger (vegan) at a restaurant a while back, and it was pretty damned good.

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    @TenguPhule: Making vegetarian food taste like meat is a losing battle. Why not enjoy vegetables and grains for what they are. One can cook a fully vegetarian (or vegan) meal which is delicious and is nutritionally well balanced.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’ll take your word for it.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Making vegetarian food taste like meat is a losing battle. Why not enjoy vegetables and grains for what they are.

    Some people really like the taste but not the guilt. The Free market acts accordingly.

    I prefer not to pretend. Both are good.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @TenguPhule:
    I have never understood the disguise-it-as-meat school of vegan cuisine. It seems like veganism for vegans who really want meat. The thing disguised as meat never tastes quite like meat and so always disappoints. Wouldn’t it be better to embrace the fact that it is not meat and take pride in being a vegan?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I have never understood the disguise-it-as-meat school of vegan cuisine. It seems like veganism for vegans who really want meat.

    Well yeah, that’s what it is. People who ethically object to meat but really really enjoy the taste and flavor.

    Personally, I think its more likely that vat grown meats will be the solution to that, not trying to make fake meat from plants and fungi.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @TenguPhule:
    IMO, food substitutes in general, and meat substitutes specifically, are a terrible mistake. It’s incredibly rare to get an adequate substitute, and an inadequate one just leaves you craving the original more. You’re much better off trying to find a food that does its best to be itself rather than pretending to be something else. There are plenty of vegetarian and vegan cuisines out there, and you’ll be much more satisfied eating them than fake meat.

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    indycat32 says:

    Good news: I have kittens!! 3 month old brothers, one black (Jinx) and one gray (Loki), because I think he’s going to be a troublemaker. Both names subject to change. We’re just trying them on for size right now.

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    chopper says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    true, but not as much when it comes to a veggie burger, since it’s basically just a sandwich. tho that part in the linked story about the company that’s come up with some way of making a veggie burger ‘bleed’ like a hamburger is just totally messed up in so many ways.

    vegan bacon is one of those things that just should not be.

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    @Amir Khalid: We are in agreement.@TenguPhule: I am not judging, what they are trying seems difficult to achieve. Taste of bacon without using bacon and so on. And noting that vegetarian food can be delicious on its own without pretending to be meat.

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    @indycat32: Pictures please, they sound adorable.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Amir Khalid: Never been a vegan, but I was a vegetarian for about five years or so, and I missed the heck out of burgers, BBQ and bacon the entire time. I could make wonderful vegetarian meals — I still can and do! But if you’re the sort who never loses that hankering for a certain thing that is forbidden under your new diet, I can see where advances in fake meat would be exciting, and the fake meat products are typically more healthy and sustainably produced, so there’s that.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    And noting that vegetarian food can be delicious on its own without pretending to be meat.

    Yes. But again, some people have really hard cravings for meat flavors at times. Not necessarily all the time, but sometimes its just the one thing you just really want that particular day.

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    mali muso says:

    Reporting in from VA-10 in which we Dems voted for Jennifer Wexton to take on the challenge of unseating Barbara Comstock this fall. Apparently (seen somewhere on a friend’s feed on FB), we had higher turnout yesterday than the Rs did for their primary, but then again, that could be because Comstock didn’t have any serious challengers. In any case, here’s hoping Wexton can win and we can take back the House.

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    Aleta says:

    @oatler.: You probably already do this, but water very early or very late in the day, and at night. So that the sun can’t heat the water on the leaves and damage them. And shade w/ a piece of fabric screen to preserve the leaves?

    Don’t know if this works for tomatoes, but sometimes I dig a small crater around the plant that can be filled with water at night like a little lake. It directs the water slowly to around the plant instead of running off. (Method is for new trees, but can also work for plants in drought.) Or use pieces of tubing w holes punched in, stuck down in the soil near the base of the plant, and fill at the top with water after it cools down in the evening.

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    eclare says:

    @indycat32: Congratulations! Kittens are just so fun!

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    debbie says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    What I don’t get is the simulated beef blood. Just focus on the taste, people!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    and the fake meat products are typically more healthy

    Depends on the product. Some of them are really high in sodium and fat (coconut oil!) in order to give it a strong enough flavor.

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    @TenguPhule: They can eat what they want but fake steak and fake bacon is not going to satisfy those meaty cravings. May be they should just eat a steak once in a while. I had a friend who was a vegetarian during the week and relaxed her dietary rules on the weekend.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @debbie:

    What I don’t get is the simulated beef blood. Just focus on the taste, people!

    The hemoglobin is part of the taste.

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    jacy says:

    In response to commenter comments, I have a first draft of a Trump logo. Suggestions welcome — this is only a mock-up. Thinking of doing a propaganda poster style too.

    You can see it here.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat: What can I say? People are weird.

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    WereBear says:

    @TenguPhule: I love our local health food deli, but their vegan soups are sugar and vegetables. Weird.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike J:

    Be yourself.

    Be Best!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @oatler.:

    Anyone have advice for a tomato plant whose leaves are (almost) catching fire in the Arizona heat?

    Move to a place with air conditioning.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @WereBear: Ick. V8 makes a perfectly good soup stock.

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    rikyrah says:

    @TenguPhule:

    It looks like placenta

    That would be a wrap for me.

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    chopper says:

    @TenguPhule:

    it’s totally gross, but i can’t complain too much. back in college i used to smoke these ‘biofilter’ cigarettes where they put hemoglobin in the filters. it was supposed to filter the tar better, but eventually i noticed the only other people smoking them were goths and i felt really weird about them and switched back to camels.

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    rikyrah says:

    @oatler.:

    Anyone have advice for a tomato plant whose leaves are (almost) catching fire in the Arizona heat?

    I don’t have any advice, but man, I would love to see a pic :)

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    WereBear says:

    @TenguPhule: A childhood of science fiction assured me we would have vat meat already. I blame the Republicans.

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    chopper says:

    @jacy:

    that’s excellent. the drop of blood is the perfect extra touch.

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    Yarrow says:

    @oatler.: Shade cloth. You can get it at Home Depot or similar stores.

    In my area, once the night time temps are above 70 degrees F (generally, can vary slightly by variety of plant) the tomatoes will bloom but not set fruit. If it’s that hot in Arizona and also doesn’t cool at night, you might not get much of a crop. If that’s the case, it could be for the night time temp reason.

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    rikyrah says:

    @indycat32:

    Good news: I have kittens!! 3 month old brothers, one black (Jinx) and one gray (Loki), because I think he’s going to be a troublemaker. Both names subject to change. We’re just trying them on for size right now.

    Congratulations!!

    Please send pictures and a story to AL so that, through your story, she can make us smile in one of the morning threads.

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    rikyrah says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I subscribe to a number of vegan channels on Youtube. I don’t believe I have the discipline to give up meat, but I will try out some of the dishes occasionally.

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    Brachiator says:

    @chopper:

    and i felt really weird about them and switched back to camels.

    One hump or two?

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    waysel says:

    @jacy: That’s funny as hell!

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    chopper says:

    @Mike J:

    meanwhile here in seattle my tomatoes absolutely hate me. there was a deer in my yard (in roosevelt by the 5) early this morning. my wife was all ‘i hope he’s not eating your tomato plants’ and i was all ‘how the fuck would i tell?’

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    WereBear says:

    @jacy: love the shoe.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Yup. If my kid had never had chocolate how could she miss chocolate? But she has and loves it, so I can never get away with “Here honey, eat this brown substance.” and hand her a carob bar. Dad’s last day on earth.

    Speaking of, she’s kind of pescitarian and so eats a lot of fake veggie burgers, a certain brand of which she claims not to tire. But the damn things come two to a pack and what a pack–they’re presented in a comically oversized two-place plastic tray with a plastic film cover. Each sits in its own dimple atop a paper sheet. The tray has a cardboard cover with a cutout so you can see the side-by-side patties. We throw out a half-pound of packaging for every two of them and they’re not available in larger quantities. Drives me nuts.

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    Aleta says:

    @oatler.: what chopper said! If the leaves are croaking, maybe plant a backup tomato just in case you lose that plant.

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    Jeffro says:

    @jacy: OUCH! That hurts just to look at it!!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah: Baked Squash with olive oil, rosemary and garlic?

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    chopper says:

    @Brachiator:

    Interviewer: Well, now tell me, what do you do when you spot a camel?

    Spotter: Er, I take its number.

    Interviewer: Camels don’t have numbers.

    Spotter: Ah, well you’ve got to know where to look. Er, they’re on the side of the engine above the piston box.

    Interviewer: What?

    Spotter: Ah – of course you’ve got to make sure it’s not a dromedary. ‘Cos if it’s a dromedary it goes in the dromedary book.

    Interviewer: Well how do you tell if it’s a dromedary?

    Spotter: Ah well, a dromedary has one hump and a camel has a refreshment car, buffet, and ticket collector.

    Interviewer: Mr Sopwith, aren’t you in fact a Train Spotter?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    That sunflower reminds me of The Day of the Triffids.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Speaking of vegetarian (but not vegan) food, the frozen BBQ “ribs” from Morningstar Farms are really good. It helps that they remembered to add liquid smoke to the sauce, and they got a really good texture for their fake meat. I usually end up liking Morningstar Farms vegetarian stuff best because they seem to put a lot of thought into the flavor and texture to make it tasty in its own right.

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    trollhattan says:

    @jacy:
    Freaking hilarious! I want to see it slapped on one of his hotels–they’d welcome it in the Middle East.

    Maybe the trolls who project images onto NYC Trump Tower from across the street would like a copy?

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    debit says:

    @Roger Moore: Yep. Meat has specific tastes and textures. You may duplicate one, but generally not both, and if you did, what must have been added to achieve it? Gross. Like the others, I’d rather just eat a well prepared veggie or vegan meal.

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    Aleta says:

    @TenguPhule: or hemoglobin.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Aleta: Only if you bleed orange.

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    trollhattan says:

    @chopper:
    Are you an LA transplant? Nobody in the PNW says “The 5.”

    Grew up near the lake and Mt. Baker Park and confess I never once saw a deer. Chickens in Seward Park, but not deer. Nor at Discovery Park when my folks moved to Magnolia, but I suspect they were there somewhere.

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    Mike J says:

    @chopper: My attempts have been limited to stuff in planters, but other than basil never had any luck. I think one year I grew three tomatoes.

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    Aleta says:

    @chopper: What if he doesn’t have a hump? Name him Humphrey.

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    chopper says:

    @trollhattan:

    Nobody in the PNW says “The 5.”

    of course not. the proper name for it is “that long, winding parking lot.”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike J: Try cherry tomatoes. The suckers are fairly resilient compared to regular tomatoes.

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    trollhattan says:

    Boy, Wednesday is the day that keeps giving.

    Unredacted government exhibit showing alleged attempts by Manafort and Kilimnik to influence witness testimonies has been released. The witnesses, journalists Alan Friedman and Eckart Sager, produced the messages to the FBI.

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    Brachiator says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Making vegetarian food taste like meat is a losing battle. Why not enjoy vegetables and grains for what they are. One can cook a fully vegetarian (or vegan) meal which is delicious and is nutritionally well balanced.

    I hear you, but maybe I fall somewhere in the middle. I like burgers, the taste and flavor of a cooked patty on bread with various condiments. A vegetarian restaurant near me serves a good veggie burger. The taste is not a substitute for meat, but is savory and tasty for what it is.

    The have other dishes that supposedly are kinda bacon or chicken, but I’ve never tried them.

    They have a vegan chocolate cake which I guess does not use eggs or animal fat shortening, etc. It’s a damn good cake, and that’s the bottom line.

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    satby says:

    @oatler.: as others have mentioned, extra water and shade cloth, or move to where it gets shade during the hottest part of the day of it’s in a pot.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    They have a vegan chocolate cake which I guess does not use eggs or animal fat shortening, etc. It’s a damn good cake, and that’s the bottom line.

    The best chocolate cake I ever had used chocolate instead of flour.

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    Yarrow says:

    @jacy: Hilarious. Took me a minute to figure out why there was a Vienna sausage in the logo, but then I got it.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @raven: She will be fine. She just needs to adjust to her new life.

    She will love the ever loving shit out of making her own schedule. Trust me.

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    Shana says:

    @raven: What sewing machine did she get?

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    Tazj says:

    @indycat32: Kittens are good news, enjoy!

    We have new pets at our house, goldfish in addition to our cats. My 13 year old thought it would be a good idea to win 2 at a lawn fete, so now I’m tasked with keeping them alive. I haven’t been successful with goldfish in the past, but so far so good.

    In general, I like most veggie burgers and there are a few good veggie chicken strips that are good but most of the meat substitutes shown in that article looked unappetizing.

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    Shana says:

    @TenguPhule: Have you read Oryx and Crake?

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    Aleta says:

    @trollhattan:

    I never once saw a deer. Chickens in Seward Park, but not deer.

    Could have been deer that were under the feather.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Shana: No. The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold

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    Betty Cracker says:

    The skyscraper-scaling trash panda that was a focus of global concern yesterday and into the wee hours has been released into a verdant paradise:

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Aleta: Bee kine.

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    Brachiator says:

    @chopper:

    Interviewer: Mr Sopwith, aren’t you in fact a Train Spotter?

    Sopwith. Camel. I see what you did.

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    That sunflower reminds me of The Day of the Triffids.

    One of the first SF movies I saw as a kid. Really loved it. Also, strangely enough, it was one of the first SF movies I saw that was in color.

    ETA:

    Interviewer: Well, now tell me, what do you do when you spot a camel?

    That’s silly. Camels don’t have spots.

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    Yarrow says:

    @oatler.: Forgot to add, in addition to the shade cloth you should make sure you have it mulched very, very well. And get good quality mulch from a reputable garden center. Don’t skimp and get cheap stuff from Home Depot. Mulch isn’t just something that retains soil moisture; it also adds beneficial fungi into the soil. Crappy mulch doesn’t do that. A layer of quality compost topped by a thick layer of quality mulch will really help your tomato. Or any plant.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @jacy:
    It’s perfect.

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    @Yarrow: Do you have tips for making your own compost.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @trollhattan:

    My spouse had a good explanation for why we ended up putting “the” in front of our freeway names — too many intersecting freeways with similar names.

    Imagine trying to tell someone over the phone, “Take 605 to 5 to 405.” Or “Take 110 to 10 to 1.”

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    trollhattan says:

    @Aleta:
    Grooooooan. :-P

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Betty Cracker: Yes. I could be a vegetarian. Could not be a vegan. Life without chess is not worth living.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    “Do I gotta go?”

    Although once out, he was OUT.

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    Aleta says:

    @Tazj: At 7 I won two baby chicks. Proudly carried them home in their box. My mother was thrilled. (Not. But she was a good sport, and a farm girl, and made them a pen outdoors to relocate them from my room.)

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    trollhattan says:

    @HeleninEire:

    Life without chess is not worth living.

    Ten million Russians would agree.

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    chopper says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    you making it from yard waste or food scraps? (or both)? you have critters around?

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    rikyrah says:

    Issa Considered to Run Consumer Bureau
    June 13, 2018 at 2:24 pm EDT

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) is among the candidates who have been discussed as President Trump gets closer to naming someone to run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Bloomberg reports.

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    chopper says:

    @HeleninEire:

    Life without chess is not worth living.

    dang, you really must love chess.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Imagine trying to tell someone over the phone, “Take 605 to 5 to 405.” Or “Take 110 to 10 to 1.”

    And of course, you “go down to the Slauson Cutoff and cut off your slauson.”

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    NotMax says:

    He’s driving me fucking nuts.

    Not a drive so much as a leisurely stroll.

    :)

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    Yarrow says:

    @schrodingers_cat: You need a higher percentage of green stuff than brown stuff (about 60 green/40 brown). Water it so it stays fairly damp and turn it every few days at the beginning. After that once a week or even less. Takes about three months during warm weather if you’re actively involved like that, but longer during cool/cold weather.

    It’s not that complicated, but it can be frustrating. Lots of green stuff in summer (grass clippings, etc.) and lots of brown stuff in fall (leaves). I’ll pick up bagged leaves from neighbors to add to summer compost mixes because we never have enough brown during summer.

    You can also just leave everything in a pile and it’ll compost by itself but if it isn’t aerated it takes a much longer time to break down. That’s why tossing it is helpful. The top layer can also become dry and rain rolls off it, so even though you’ve had rain you’ can find your compost isn’t damp. Again, tossing it helps.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @WereBear:
    I’m not sure where the imams and rabbis will stand on vat pork. Would pig DNA make it pig enough to be haram/treyf?

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    rikyrah says:

    Those are Reps. Gutierrez, Crowley, Lewis, Jayapal, Green, to name a few— they’ve walked from Customs and Border Patrol to (near) the White House to protest the administration separating children from their parents at the border. pic.twitter.com/i8z3OaGdF7

    — DJ Judd (@juddzeez) June 13, 2018

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    Richard Grant says:

    @Betty Cracker: I think that “fake meat” is an inadequate placeholder until a better term comes along for plant-based or lab-grown meat-like foods. Bacon is always defined as cured or smoked meat from the back or sides of a pig, but who says “fake bacon”? It’s turkey bacon or duck bacon or lamb bacon or elk bacon and so on. How did Big Bacon lose the court case is what I want to know.

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    rikyrah says:

    Infant ripped from mother’s arms while she was breastfeeding the baby at border detention center; mother handcuffed for resisting https://t.co/vhbsGKrWLo

    — Kasie Hunt (@kasie) June 13, 2018

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    chopper says:

    @Yarrow:

    i get big bags of used coffee grounds from the starbucks around the corner, it’s a great source of nitrogen for a pile.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Isn’t V8 heavily salted?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Brachiator:
    Ouch.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @rikyrah: Whew! I thought they might not appoint another felon to the job!

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    NotMax says:

    HeleninEire

    Life without chess is not worth living.

    You might enjoy watching ENDGAMƎ on Amazon Prime. I’m of two minds about the show (but only a couple of episodes under the belt so far). trailer

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    chopper says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    i heard a story on NPR a few days ago about this. seems they found a rabbi who signed off on it.

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    Yarrow says:

    @chopper: Yeah, that’s a good source for cooler times when there aren’t grass clippings or plant debris.

    Oh, I forgot. It’s helpful if you can chop up whatever goes into the compost pile into smaller pieces. It will still compost down if it’s in larger pieces, but it takes longer and is harder to toss. In my composting process things like branches and sticks don’t go into compost. They go on the mulch pile.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Isn’t V8 heavily salted?

    It is, which makes it perfect for soup stock since you just add water until you reach the desired saltiness.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m not sure where the imams and rabbis will stand on vat pork. Would pig DNA make it pig enough to be haram/treyf?

    A good question.

    Weren’t some of these rules developed in part in relation to killing animals and spilling blood? What if there is no killing or spilling of blood?

    Vat meat, I think, is all tissue.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @rikyrah:

    Yeah, they’re not even trying to hide the fact that they’re doing this to punish desperate people asking for our help. Fuckers 🤬

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    Roger Moore says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    May be they should just eat a steak once in a while. I had a friend who was a vegetarian during the week and relaxed her dietary rules on the weekend.

    Or even just cut back on the meat in the dishes they eat. I’m not a vegetarian and don’t plan on becoming one, but I’ve decided it would be a good idea to eat less meat. One of the ways I do it is to avoid foods like steak and fried chicken where the meat is the whole of the main dish and non-meat is just side dishes. Instead, when I eat meat it’s just one ingredient; a little big goes a long way in providing flavor.

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    Mai naem mobile says:

    @oatler.: I didn’t see a reply. Get some shade cloth from a nursery and create shade. You can also get an umbrella or those cheap shade umbrella type hats and stick it in the dirt and creat some shade. Also water long and deep if you aren’t so that the dirt stays wet and water early am or after the sun’s gone down,not during the heat of the day.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @TenguPhule:

    …the best argument for eating meat since Morrissey…

    There needs to be a special Morrissey Amendment to Cleek’s Law.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Roger Moore:

    avoid foods like steak and fried chicken where the meat is the whole of the main dish and non-meat is just side dishes.

    Just have smaller portions! No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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    ruemara says:

    @TenguPhule: TBF, I eat vegan a lot. You’re not going to replicate meat & i wish they’d stop that. You need to craft a delicious alternative. Meat is meat, but you can do delicious vegan & vegetarian choices that make letting meat go not too hard.

    @indycat32: YAY! PICS!

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    WereBear says:

    @Amir Khalid: Hooves aren’t a factor. Seems like the designators would not apply!

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    Infant ripped from mother’s arms while she was breastfeeding the baby at border detention center; mother handcuffed for resisting

    This administration encourages sadism. And the authors of this evil sit around tables and congratulate themselves.

    I have heard conservatives say that since these people are “breaking the law,” it doesn’t matter what happens to them. Disgusting.

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    Mike J says:

    @NotMax: The idea that being good at chess makes you good at anything other than winning chess games is pretty laughable.

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    Yarrow says:

    @rikyrah: From that article:

    Nogueras said he has seen a shift in the caseload. During the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations, public defenders in the federal courthouse in McAllen handled about 20 to 30 cases a day involving defendants facing charges for minor crimes, he said.

    On Monday, public defenders handled 170 cases of undocumented immigrants who were charged with illegally entering the country and about 120 on Tuesday. At least 60 children have been separated from their parents over the past two days, according to the federal public defenders in McAllen.

    “I’m outraged about it. I’m angry. It should never happen,” Nogueras said. “I don’t think that this represents the values of the American people.”

    That’s a huge increase. And that last sentence….well, it certainly represents the values of those in charge and those who voted for them.

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    Aleta says:

    @schrodingers_cat: If you don’t want to turn the pile by hand, or have limited space, there are rotating compost bins on stands. The good ones are pricey, but work quickly and save your back. Some can be wheeled over to where you want to put the compost. Or wheeled into the sunniest areas so the heat on the bin will speed the breakdown. If a bin has two or more sections, you can add new compost separately.

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    M4 says:

    @schrodingers_cat: @Roger Moore: I like good fake chicken because I’m allergic to chicken. I can’t just eat chicken sometimes to assuage my cravings, or tell my immune system to chill out, I only eat chicken on weekends.

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    chopper says:

    @Aleta:

    those are great if you have critters, like the rats i have around here. warm pile + food scraps = more rats.

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    Mai naem mobile says:

    @jacy: it should have some gold in there somewhere and a hammer and sickle.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @ruemara: I agree there are perfectly delicious non-meat dishes, but I still won’t let go of meat and fish or dairy and eggs. Tastes too good.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow:

    it certainly represents the values of those in charge and those who voted for them.

    Children are going to die from this policy. Not if, but when.

    All of them, from Trump on down to the lowest agent, are going to be guilty of crimes against humanity when it does.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    My spouse had a good explanation for why we ended up putting “the” in front of our freeway names — too many intersecting freeways with similar names.

    I think it’s because we started to give them names before they got numbers. CA 110 was originally the Arroyo Seco Parkway, I-10 (at least the portion west of downtown) was the Santa Monica Freeway before the interstate highway system was ever conceived of, etc. Because all the freeways started out as the something-or-other freeway, we kept using the definite article when using a number instead of a name.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @M4:

    Morningstar Farms used to make Parmesan Chik Patties that were really good, but they stopped for some reason. Their regular Chik Patties are pretty good, but not as good.

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    ruemara says:

    @NotMax: I loved that show. For that to never get picked up in America but Law & Order just keeps churning shit out – a crime.

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    Yarrow says:

    @chopper: I’ve had rats chew through plastic composters, so those don’t always work. I find burying food scraps well into the existing compost works best.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m not sure where the imams and rabbis will stand on vat pork. Would pig DNA make it pig enough to be haram/treyf?

    I suspect the early decisions will be all over the place. At the extreme will be rabbis who say vat beef (or lamb, goat, etc.) is treyf because vats don’t chew cud or have cloven hooves and ones who say it’s not meat at all because it doesn’t come from a living animal, with all opinions between those extremes also having advocates. After a while, there will be a few dominant schools of thought, but the lack of a single central authority will mean Jews and Muslims will be further divided by those decisions.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Brachiator:

    And the authors of this evil sit around tables and congratulate themselves.

    The Wannsee Conference.

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    Dan B says:

    Re. Tomatoes in hot weather: Most plants become dormant above 95 degrees and slow down above 85. Phoenix weather seems to be above 85 for most of the day so it’s likely the plant has shut down. Also, as someone stated earlier, you don’t get any fruit set unless nighttime temps are below 70. All the watering abd shade cloth may do nothing more than keeping the plant alive. It also sounds like your plant may have a blight. Your local Agricultural Extension Agency (if the GOP hasn’t gutted it) should have some guidance on growing tomatoes. I bet thry recommend planting in mid March, protected from cool nights, and give up when temps exceed 100 for more than 4 days in a week.
    I’m in Seattle but have gardened in Ohio and Arkansas. Fortunately for Seattle there were a lot of plant researchers and breeders in Siberia so we’ve got local tomatoes in August and September, and great ones from eastern Washington greenhouses starting in June.

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    @Mnemosyne:

    “Take 605 to 5 to 405.” Or “Take 110 to 10 to 1.”

    And it’s shorter than “Take the San Gabriel River Freeway to the Santa Ana Freeway to the San Diego Freeway” Or “Take the Harbor Freeway to the Rosa Parks Freeway to Pacific Coast Highway.”. Also some of our freeways with the same same number have different names depending on what section(ex. the 5 can be either the Golden State Freeway or Santa Ana Freeway.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Dan B: Depending on where it is in Arizona, a second tomato season could be possible. Plant in late July/August for fall tomatoes (but check with local nurseries to be sure). Go with cherry tomatoes because the fruit doesn’t take as long to mature once set. In a mild fall/winter you can have tomatoes through Christmas, at least.

    Young seedlings have to be protected from the heat in July/August and watered at least once and probably twice a day. Mulch is essential and shade cloth helps.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    V8 is very salty, but there is a low sodium variation that’s OK. Esp for stock in cooking.

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    JeanneT says:

    Freeway designation styles must be regional. In west Michigan we don’t put ‘the’ in front of the freeway number, nor do we name them: we go down (or up) 131 or 75, we go across on 96 or 94. In Chicago, they use the names of the freeways (the Kennedy, the Eisenhower, the Tri-state, etc), at least on the traffic reports.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Roger Moore:
    Thanks. I wondered about that. It is off when TV actors talk about “the I-95”.

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    Mary G says:

    John Lewis led a sit-in in the street in front of ICE’s DC office today with a few other congresscritters to protest taking children away.

    That is @repjohnlewis, aged 78, right now, sitting in against internment of Central American children. pic.twitter.com/l0nnVK8dJQ— Dr. Chanda Prescod-Weinstein🙅🏽‍♀️ 🇧🇧 (@IBJIYONGI) June 13, 2018

    DC police not arresting (would look bad on TV, I guess.)

    Congressman @JoeCrowleyNY unfortunately fainted! It's very hot/muggy, & they've been going for hours. The police are using a non-arrest tactic, trying to wait people out so they will give up. (Not enough Black people I guess) Lewis and Jayapal won't leave until they're arrested.— Dr. Chanda Prescod-Weinstein🙅🏽‍♀️ 🇧🇧 (@IBJIYONGI) June 13, 2018

    They are going to do it again tomorrow but won’t say where.

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    From a Houston Chronicle editorial:

    So tax his operations. Freeze his assets. Refuse to grant visas for Trump organization staffers. The United Kingdom could even shut down his golf course in Scotland.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Is it impossible for people to turn their goddamn phones sideways and shoot landscape?!

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Amir Khalid: There is no central authority in Judaism, and as a result, no central authority conferring kosher status.

    There are a number of different outfits that certify whether any food stuff meets their version of what is required, and different groups of (mainly) Orthodox Jews (because hardly anyone else cares) respect the certification of some outfits but not others. For one example, you might think that Hebrew National hot dogs, salami, etc. are kosher but many groups don’t recognize them as such.

    Some of it is various orthodox sects supporting their particular outfit, all of it is corrupt as anything — there’s always a rabbi who will certify your product is kosher for a “little consideration.”

    I could go on and on but I’ll stop here.

    Also, there is low sodium V-8. And it tastes like it.

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    chopper says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:

    that golf course is losing trump huge amounts of money every year. keep it open.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Steeplejack: OMG. Really? You can do that??!

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    M4 says:

    @Mnemosyne: oh yeah those are great.

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    ruemara says:

    Oh, hey, Shrodinger’s. This is the very short guide to composting I did. Pardon the cheesy music but governments have (0) budget.

    This one is on vermicomposting. Check with your local city waste departments, because some of them have good programs that get you a free compost bin. & turning your pile is good aerobics.

    @Mary G: I will always revere Lewis.

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @Betty Cracker: and they released the raccoon on the other side of the Mississippi and Minnesota Rivers. Just like my grandpa would have.

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @Amir Khalid: there is a Harry Turtledove short story which explores this idea. Can’t remember the title though.

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    @Kayla Rudbek: And an episode of Elementary iirc

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Immanentize:

    Well, you do have to buy a special lens.

    I told my brother-in-law that, and he wondered for weeks before he caught on. And yet he’s still a major portrait offender!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Steeplejack: That is funny. I wish there were (actually useful) special lenses for phone cams. It is what most people use these days. I have a 1+ 3T and the back camera, like with most of this model, stopped working. It won’t focus. But I’ll be tied if I have to buy a new phone because of a bad camera. So, I’ve ordered replacement parts and I am letting Ifixit guide me. Wish me luck!

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    Tazj says:

    @Aleta: Your mom was a very good sport, very sweet.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @chopper: Good veggie burgers don’t try to resemble meat at all.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steeplejack:

    If you’re shooting one-handed, portrait is easier and you’re less likely to drop the phone mid-shot. Landscape takes two hands.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Immanentize:

    Yeah, right, good luck. Everyone should have a hobby.

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    drdavechemist says:

    @Immanentize: Does your “actually useful” mean that you aren’t satisfied with what’s out on the market? One can definitely find add-on lenses for phone cameras, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they fall far short of what you can get for a DSLR or even what comes on a decent point-and-shoot like my Nikon CoolPix 30x optical zoom.

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    J R in WV says:

    @M4:

    Allergic to dinosaurs!! Good thing they aren’t all around you all the time, then!

    WAIT, they totally are! Tweet, tweet!

    Good thing it’s just when you eat them, then…

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @drdavechemist: I’ve got a Nikon Coolpix P900 with 83x zoom, and I love the damned thing!

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Puh-leeze. Like this is some impossible grip to master? Worst-case scenario, you could just assume your portrait grip and rotate your arm 90 degrees.

    More likely it’s unthinking habit: “This is how I hold my phone. This is how I always hold my phone.”

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    Roger Moore says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Also some of our freeways with the same same number have different names depending on what section(ex. the 5 can be either the Golden State Freeway or Santa Ana Freeway.

    And vice versa. Some named freeways have different numbers for different segments. The obvious example of both happening at once happens at the Hollywood Split. US-101 changes designations from the Hollywood Freeway, which continues as CA-170, picking up the Ventura Freeway designation from CA-134.

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    Immanentize says:

    @drdavechemist: Yes. not satisfied. It is not that they are optically bad, but they never quite mate with the phone properly. I’ve tried three versions. No luck. if you have a suggestion, I am all ears. (PS the external lenses I tried were all for I-phones. Now I use an android).

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @HeleninEire:

    Life without chess is not worth living.

    “Let them play checkers!”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @rikyrah:

    I don’t even want to read the linked story. The summary is beyond horrifying.

    A year or so ago, give/take, most of us didn’t think things could get much worse.

    Boy howdy, were WE ever wrong.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Redacted for insufficient humor.

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    Dan B says:

    Yarrow at 131

    A Fall tomato crop makes sense in southern Arizona. I wonder how the siberian toms would do since they’re tested by short hot spells as well as frosts at harvest time. Also some of the purple toms since they may be crosses with wild toms from siberia and other drier Soviet countries. Territorial Seed Co. in Oregon has a good selection online (and catalog…).

    My relatives in Arkansas used to say there was Spring, June, and the season of burning up. The only fresh vegetable was Okra. The toms they grew were all done by mid July. I loved Fall there except for the culture…

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    raven says:

    @Shana: I’ll find out.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Dan B: I find the most reliable thing to do is visit a good local nursery. They know what works in the area and should have reputable growers who provide dependable seedlings.

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    @Steeplejack:

    Redacted for insufficient humor.

    Huh? That never stopped me.

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    mainmata says:

    @oatler.: Make sure it’s well-watered (but just enough) and maybe but a net above it to diffuse the intense sunlight. (But normally tomatoes like sun and heat though maybe not 110 gegrees.)

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