America’s Internment Camps for Undocumented Minors

(Figure 1: One of the murals at the Brownsville Detention Center for Undocumented Minors)

MSNBC’s Jacob Soboroff was given access to the Brownsville, Texas center for detained undocumented children. Here’s what he found:

Remember, undocumented entry into the US is a misdemeanor that carries a civil penalty of a fine and/or no more than six months incarceration for a first offense.

History will not remember us kindly.

Updated at 10:25 PM EDT:

The Families Belong Together group has organized rallies tomorrow. For more information click here.

Also, call your senators!

Open thread!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Call your senators. Here’s a script.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Thank you!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Protests are being planned for tomorrow. This link will help you find if one is near you.

    Families Belong Together

    It’s backed by a number of religious and other organizations.

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    Aleta says:

    Thank you Adam.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I’ll add that to the post. And the Feinstein thing.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you, Adam! I have been very upset about this, kept me awake Monday night. We have to stop this. The world has seen it before.

    First they came for the families seeking asylum, and I did not speak out because I was safe in my home.
    Then they came for the naturalized citizens, and I did not speak out…

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    Concentration camps with murals of Dear Leader. Jesus Christ. We’re going to be answering for this shit for the rest of our history. It isn’t on the scale of slavery or the Trail of Tears, but it’s something that will stain us forever.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I called my Senators today. Baldwin is a sponsor of the bill and got an “Atta Girl.” Johnson supports the policy. I, however, did get the staffer on the phone to stammer, “I just work in the office,” when I asked how he could work for a person who supported Nazi-like policies. Yeah, I can be an asshole at times, but it can be in service of a good cause.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: And legal residents who committed misdemeanors 20 years ago…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    There is some good news tonight.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: And the five month olds too!

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    M4 says:

    Sickening. I know the popular thing on the internet right now is to dunk on somebody who says “this is not who we are,” but… well it’s certainly not who I am, or the rest of us here, even the trolls.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    But Justin Trudeau is the real problem…

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I get frustrated because my senators and representative are all on the right side of things like this, so I have nobody to call and scream at. You done good. We’ve got to force these people to look at what they are doing and supporting. Many of them will turn away from the Nazi policies.

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    Eljai says:

    potential new tent cities that will be on federal property *don’t* have to be licensed

    That is absolutely terrifying. You know they’ll start handing out contracts to their cronies in the for profit prison industry. We have to take back Congress and do whatever it takes to stop these depraved assholes.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @M4: Maybe Right to Rise…

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    M4 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I voted for her! And nobody else (ranked-choice) because the other major contenders were not generally in favor of building market-rate housing, which has to be a major component of any serious policy to address the crisis.

    Glad to leave the city in good hands.

    ETA obviously this is my main issue

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Adam L Silverman: There are good things happening too. That means there are good people in the country, probably a majority. Certainly a majority when folks like the one Omnes talked to decide they can’t be party to the inhumanity any longer. We have to make a stink and continue that stink until they end the camps.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yep.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I was sickened by the “I just work in the office” comment. Too close to ” I was just following orders.” In OCS back in 1988, we took buses to Andersonville and talked about the morality and the limits of orders. I’ll keep calling: it matters.

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    Stan says:

    Important to know that MS-13 started in US prisons.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Very stable genius! A great brain!

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    Matt Smith says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Good job holding people accountable. It’s just sad and infuriating that the term “Nazi-like,” used to describe the present-day U.S.A., isn’t so hyperbolic as it used to be.

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    Ilefttxwhenannlost says:

    @M4: me too! very happy for us and mayor breed…also voted for her because she was the mayor by way of the rules and somehow she was booted…eff that

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    GregB says:

    I can’t believe this is happening.

    I can’t believe it but it is true.

    He is turning us into a nation of monsters before our eyes.

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    M4 says:

    @Ilefttxwhenannlost: orchestrated by Jane Kim, may she continue to lose elections.

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    Platonailedit says:

    The traitorous racist narcissistic thug rubbing salt into the wounds of these children.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @GregB: Just don’t be a monster. And oppose those who are. I fervently believe there are more of us than there are of them.

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    chopper says:

    detention camps for children with murals of trump on the walls. what. the. actual. fuck.

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    Ilefttxwhenannlost says:

    @GregB: there aren’t any good germans keeps going through my mind

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @GregB: This is what kept me awake. The only way to counter it is to act. Call your elected representatives. Join a protest. Churches are beginning to organize. There is a meeting in Santa Fe next week. We must act to preserve our humanity.

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    debbie says:

    Jesus, that mural is fucking chilling.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Purported “lefties” bitch and moan about how “conservative” Dianne Feinstein is, but she’s one of the cosponsors of the bill. I am not unhappy that she is still our senior Senator.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: this by Kasie Hunt has had me livid all day!

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    Infant ripped from mother’s arms while she was breastfeeding the baby at border detention center; mother handcuffed for resisting

    https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1006987707292246016

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    M4 says:

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t think you need scare quotes to express that Feinstein is to the right of California’s left.

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    Ilefttxwhenannlost says:

    @M4: yeah you right

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    dexwood says:

    these kids are incarcerated

    You are not a good person if you remain silent. So it goes…

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    B.B.A. says:

    Same as it ever was.

    Poor Mexico, so far from God. So close to us.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @M4:

    Which set of scare quotes? I don’t think that the people who bitch the loudest about Feinstein are actually on the left, and those people don’t say that she’s more conservative than they themselves are, they claim that she’s an actual conservative who’s no better than John McCain or Mitch McConnell.

    Hence the two sets of scare quotes.

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    dexwood says:

    @B.B.A.:
    Nice variation on this:
    “Poor New Mexico! So far from heaven, so close to Texas!” – Manuel Armijo, Mexican governor of the territory of Nuevo México, 1841.

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    M4 says:

    @Mnemosyne: I know plenty of real lefties who complain about how Feinstein is more conservative than they’d like, and that California can do leftier. It was, like, the entire driving force of de León’s campaign.

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    Ilefttxwhenannlost says:

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t agree with difi 100% but that is a stupid expectation…she is highly competent and still seems to have all her faculties and decent health…effective leadership you don’t toss in the trash because reasons…same for Pelosi…100% behind both

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: just saw your post of the Katie Hunt tweet Adam…sorry bout the duplicate.

    But ugh…I read that tweet this morning and it made me so mad

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    jacy says:

    This can’t be allowed to stand. It just can’t.
    This is the first step along way to legitimate ethnic cleansing, not just the ethnic cleansing lite that’s sprouting up. I have never been as ashamed of this country than I am right now.

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    Brachiator says:

    Feinstein is my senator. I can call to say keep up the good work.

    I can share the call information with sympathetic co-workers tomorrow.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    London Breed’s greatest accomplishment as a supervisor was pushing legislation that enacted draconian civil penalties on graffitti artists. One got hit with over $200K in fines.

    She is captive of the tech-bro community and supports construction of high-rise housing in neighborhoods traditionally occupied by minorities and low income residents. She will push gentrification on steroids.

    She supports making it easier to have homeless people declared mentally ill and placed in conservatorships.

    Breed interned for and is a protege of Willie Brown. That should tell you all you need to know about her.

    Jane Kim or Mark Leno are much better progressive choices..

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jacy: I said this above and I stand by it: Just don’t be a monster. And oppose those who are. I fervently believe there are more of us than there are of them.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Just had dinner with my 89 year-old, Korean war vet father, born in 1929. His mother was born in 1897, his father in 1890 (IIRC, he died before this fifty year old was born, and we only confirmed his DOB when they published the 1900 Irish census on-line a few years back).

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    rikyrah says:

    I weep reading this 😥😥😥
    The simplicity of the evil cuts through the bullshyt 😠

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    A question for our legal contingent: Is separating children from parents a crime against humanity? Against international standards for asylum? I’d like to know exactly how to categorize it.

    A question that reporters should be seeking out: Who authorized this? How did they come to the decision that they should do this?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Clampdown.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    I don’t follow these things very closely but does anyone know whether families remained together when Obama deported 2.5 million people during his administration?

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    gene108 says:

    I am surprised Trump is moving this quickly on the anti-immigration. I know the people talking about “only opposed to illegal immigration” are gunning for all immigrants, but I thought they would not act so fast.

    Will call my Congress critters tomorrow.

    Also, too John Boehner deserves a special place in Hell. Senate passed comprehensive immigration reform in 2011. There were enough votes to pass the House. Pretty much all Democrats would have supported it, with enough Republicans for it to safely pass. He refused to allow a vote.

    All this cruelty for DACA recipients, people here living for years, etc all goes back to Boehner’s decision in 2011.

    I hope we can deport him. Fuck him with a rusty chainsaw

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    lamh36 says:

    Chris Hayes tweeting here:

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    One important point I want to make about @jacobsoboroff’s excellent reporting. That facility has been operating before Trump’s family separation policy, and, I believe, before the Trump admin. It has been a “shelter” for unaccompanied minors.
    https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1007072325437706245

    Ok, but who sanctioned the “mural” of dear Leader? If they have been here before Trump admin then who decided to do so? I’d bet 100% there was no mural with a weird slogantry of PBO?

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    Those are children under 18, usually teens who show up at the border without a parent or guardian. But now 30% of those kids are kids who our government has *rendered* unaccompanied by taking them from their parents.

    But that’s not the whole reason population, @jacobsoboroff noted. Now we need to have reporters be given access to ORR facilities for those under 10. At least UAC facilities have experience and some training. But there are no one-year-old unaccompanied minors!

    Which means ORR has not, until now, been running a massive childcare system for tender age children. But now, babies and toddlers are being taken from their parents and put…where? Who is caring for them and how? We need to see inside those facilities. Now.

    ETA: This visit was sanctioned by HHS…what that tells me is, this was likely the ONLY one that was good enough for consumption…saying that it has been doing this work before Trump is supposed to mean what?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Brickley Paiste: Fuck off, troll.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Have your Senators signed onto Feinstein’s legislation?
    If they are Democrats, then call and ask , why not?
    As of this evening, not all Democrats have.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brickley Paiste:

    Oh, look, ARGB is back for more punishment, the dumb brick.

    Don’t you have a gun massacre to defend? This is America, I’m sure there was a mass shooting somewhere today.

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    gene108 says:

    I bet Trump and his advisors want to set up his immigration policy as a wedge issue for 2020.

    And I am afraid it will work. Trump’s hard stand against the immigrant hordes got a lot of white folks excited. I think the 2029 sequel will have the weight of lives ruined to make the racists happy to keep voting for Trump.

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    M4 says:

    @Mnemosyne: ohhh, that’s who it is.

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    pat says:

    @debbie:

    Seems there were murals of other presidents, including Obama. Saw a brief glimpse on Laurence O’Donell’s (sp?) show.

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    Mike J says:

    @rikyrah: Cantwell and Murray are on board.

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    satby says:

    Well, I used Adam’s Anne Frank post from yesterday to demolish some wingnut claiming that it’s all the fault of those parents for coming here, and he didn’t believe the children were separated from them anyway. Three media links showing the facts later, with horrified comments from onlookers about what’s been happening,and suddenly the argument became about what a stupid, hate-filled, lonely old lady I must be and how men must find me repulsive. And how he hoped I would be eaten by my 100 cats when I did alone in my house.
    So I congratulated him for recognizing he was losing the debate and being such a good sport about it 😂😂😂
    Fun on FB!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    So you’ve got someone to boss around, make you feel big now …

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    Boy don’t you all feel good that the United States is not under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court at The Hague? Free to commit crimes against Humanity. Trump sleeps good knowing he will nevr get the Milosevich treatment. Yet Kim Jong Un or Maduro would get it. And to think we have a museum dedicated to the remembrance of the Holocaust, could Franz Kafka even try to top this?

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Brickley Paiste: Ever heard of snopes? If you ‘thought’ Obama put kids in camps like the traitorous turd in office is doing, you are a turdista. Fuck off.

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    gene108 says:

    @lamh36:

    Chris HAyes is a fuck nugget, who under cut his whole side of an argument because someone got a fact wrong.

    And he HAS to point the error out as widely as possible

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @gene108: I don’t care. This is wrong, and we need to call it out. If It makes us lose, the we have lost the country. I don’t think we have.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @gene108: Also, too John Boehner deserves a special place in Hell. Senate passed comprehensive immigration reform in 2011. There were enough votes to pass the House. Pretty much all Democrats would have supported it, with enough Republicans for it to safely pass. He refused to allow a vote.

    Amen. Boehner gets off much too easy. His partisanship and cowardice allowed this issue to grow and become more toxic. He was all in on the obstructionist agenda, and all anybody in the Village remembers is that he sang zippity doo dah as he ran away from the mess he made. If he had even had the imagination and the balls to be vindictive, he could have ratfucked the fucking rats who spent his whole speakership nibbling on his ankles by calling for a vote on his way out the door, but even then, partisanship came first.

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    ellie says:

    @Brickley Paiste: You are so precious! Ripping children away from their parents is a Trump initiative.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: The only band that ever mattered…

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    This camp needs more “Arbeit Macht Frei”.

    That mural of the dotard is an atrocity.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Brachiator:
    Why just sympathetic?
    Stand there and demand that the unsympathetic explain to you about the evil. And, call it evil, because that is what it is.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @M4:

    We probably should have guessed earlier based on his I’m just an unfrozen caveman lawyer schtick.

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    lamh36 says:

    @pat: there was a mural of Obama with a creepy azz “Dear Leader” slogan? Cause just having PBO’s picture up isn’t the same as as “hey little children…welcome…the future is bright” as they enter the gates of a jail?

    I mean DAFUQ?

    ETA: Ok, Found this:

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    Context via @philquin https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/Donald-Trump-mural-inside-Texas-shelter-sparks-12992266.php …: mural painted by employee of nonprofit that operates facility (reassuring). There are murals for other presidents though “each of those is accompanied by an ‘inspiring quote’ about immigration, while Trump’s is not, Gomez said.”
    https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/1007101260829478912

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @rikyrah: Yes, they have, and they have been tweeting about it. I retweet their tweets when they do.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: I think extralegal measures are appropriate, as with Eichmann.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Tell your dad to call his parents. This way they won’t worry about where he is and ask the President to bring your dad home from North Korea.//

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @M4:

    And De Léon got a whopping 20 percent of the vote for his stand.

    Don’t get me wrong, I know we can do leftier than DiFi, but I still say that the loudest shouters about her are (a) not actual lefties and (b) do claim that she’s Mitch McConnell in a dress.

    But I’m biased — I want Adam Schiff to run for Senate when DiFi finally retires, not another Sacramento insider.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    AUSTIN — One of the largest shelters for unaccompanied minors in Texas includes a wall-sized mural of President Donald Trump.

    “Kids would tell me it was an odd image to see, that it scared them. They didn’t like it,” said Diana Gomez, who conducted legal screenings inside the shelter for several months in 2017.

    The mural appears inside Southwest Key Program’s Casa Padre shelter in Brownsville, where Democratic U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon was denied entry earlier this month. The shelter, located inside a former Walmart, held more than 1,000 children as of mid-May, according to state data.

    A spokeswoman for Southwest Key said the mural has been there “since shortly after the shelter opened” and that there are paintings of many U.S. presidents.

    “Each shelter is decorated to be child friendly and education is a component we try to incorporate into all our programming,” said spokeswoman Cindy Casares. She did not respond to questions about children’s reaction to the painting.

    Painted by a Southwest Key employee, the mural depicts President Trump’s head floating above the White House and in front of an American flag. The mural appears at the entrance to a hallway that leads from the cafeteria to more rooms, Gomez said. While other presidents, including Barack Obama, are painted inside the hallway, each of those is accompanied by an “inspiring quote” about immigration, while Trump’s is not, Gomez said.

    A spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said a quote in Spanish and one in English now accompany Trump’s mural, one of roughly 20 depicting presidents. One says, “Sometimes by losing a battle you find a new way to win the war”; he couldn’t read the note in Spanish.

    “A lot of (the children) said they had heard a lot of anti-immigrant things Donald Trump had said,” Gomez said. “They were fleeing violence in their homes to seek opportunity and a better life in the U.S. … They saw Donald Trump as a person who would be a threat to that hope and eventually deport them back to their country where they would face inevitable death.”

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    debbie says:

    @pat:

    I was trying to find it on Google. No luck. I’d be shocked if it had a quote with the same kind of tone. I’d like to shove that photo in my Trumpster family members’ faces.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: FYI:

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    Last time I checked, no Senate Republicans have signed on to Dianne Feinstein’s bill targeting family separations.

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    debbie says:

    @lamh36:

    I clicked on the first link in that tweet. There are no words on the mural. I’d really be ticked off if this was another Photoshop job.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brickley Paiste:

    Wait, ARGB hates a woman politician who actually won an election? Particularly a minority woman? And carefully named a losing woman politiican that he just happens to prefer?

    Wow, that’s an unexpected plot twist. Didn’t see that one coming. 🙄

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @lamh36: Surprise 🙃

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Platonailedit:

    @lamh36:

    Chris Hayes seems to think that this facility operated as a concentration camp, I mean shelter, under Obama as well:

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    One important point I want to make about @jacobsoboroff’s excellent reporting. That facility has been operating before Trump’s family separation policy, and, I believe, before the Trump admin. It has been a “shelter” for unaccompanied minors.
    https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1007072325437706245

    @ellie:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36:

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    bluehill says:

    Another example of what a slippery slope really looks like. We have met the enemy and he is us.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: IKR…SMH

    Reading the article on the Trump mural, and I’m just ugh…we were just talking about how moments from childhood still manage to resonate with us as we age and become adults…it amazing how little the exposure can still elicit a visceral reaction as an adult, good or bad.

    What type of memory are these idiots making for these kids…how will this effecte their feelings about America as they grow into adulthood, esp the cases where either the kid or the parent are deported back to their country…smh…

    this policy is potentially created a generation of children, foreign born to hate America…

    That hatred could later come back to really danger the country security…but of course “they” dont’ care about that, do they

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    I see, that Mural. So at what point do they stop playing around, rename Trump “Donald Maxmius” and declare him the first Sun King of the US and designate Trump’s birthday as a national holiday replacing the 4th of July? This administration is pretty much in Paul Verhoeven movie territory as it is.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Brickley Paiste: psst…whatever, that is not at all what Hayes is saying, but sure it fits your narative for it to be so…

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    Yarrow says:

    This whole immigration thing makes me sick. It’s somewhat heartening to see people organizing against it, but how did we even allow it to get this far. It’s so awful.

    Will call all my reps tomorrow about this issue. Not that it’ll do any good, but maybe I’ll get to yell at an intern and ask them how it feels to be working for a modern day Nazi.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Brickley Paiste: Can’t argue with purposefully idiotic rw numbnutz thinking.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh36: Dude’s a troll. Don’t waste your time on him.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @lamh36:

    Yes, I understand Chris Hayes says other things.

    This thread is a hoot. People freaking out about a detention facility. Oops, that was in operation under Obama.

    OMG THERE IS A MURAL OF TRUMP. Oops, there are (apparently) murals of other presidents too.

    All of this just underlines the point that many people have a purely masturbatory interest in politics, turning up the outrage to 11 against the bad-ol-putty-cat just to get off on it. They don’t really give a shit about real people because, if they did, they would have been outraged by Obama’s stepped up immigration enforcement years ago.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ugh…I know better and I regretted doing so soon as I did, but couldn’t edit it out…

    it’s like a spam email. that you answer by mistake and now you keep getting phishing emails from some stupid spam company in your junk mail box…

    As for the troll:

    Shoo troll…shoo!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Brickley Paiste: I’ll take “People who have no fucking clue” for $1000, Alex.

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    lamh36 says:

    BTW, Is this the same shelter that wouldn’t allow the Senator to enter the facilities? Or run by the same company? If so…it’s even more suspicious to me that now they call back and HHS give the go ahead for some reporters to screen it…

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    I have had to block several low-follower, low-tweet-number hostile or Trump-loving accounts on Twitter tonight. Looks like, along with the threats from the Republican National Committee, the trolls have been loosed.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Brickley Paiste: You realize you’re a sack of unrefined horseshit, right?

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @lamh36:

    BTW, Is this the same shelter that wouldn’t allow the Senator to enter the facilities?

    One article I saw said that it was.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yes, Mitt’s niece is making like a spokeswoman for the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment tonight.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @ellie:

    So when families were apprehended under Obama the men, women, and children were all housed in the same holding facilities all together until they were shipped back across the border?

    Really?

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    This is the tweet we’re talking about.

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    Gremcat says:

    This is being run by a non profit, started under Pres. Obama and is probably the best one to show off. That’s why HHS allowed this reporter in, so they could say it was already operating under Obama. It’s so msm can bothside the issue, even though unaccompanied minors and children forcibly separated from their parents are NOT the same thing. But I guarantee the new ones that they are building won’t allow visitors, and children are going to die in there.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Stan:

    Important to know that MS-13 started in US prisons.

    Yep, and exported to the ironically named El Salvador. At least we have a trade surplus in something!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    It’s time for the kitties’ late-night snack and for me to go to bed. See y’all tomorrow!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Adam L Silverman: don’t know anything about her, but if @Brickley in Portland hates her then she’s probably fantastic

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brickley Paiste:

    This thread is a hoot. People freaking out about a detention facility. Oops, that was in operation under Obama.

    Except that, under Obama, its residents were only kids who showed up at the border alone. Now 30 percent of the population is kids who were ripped away from their parents at the border, and that population is growing each day.

    But, hey, why let facts get in the way of blaming Obummer, amirite, ARGB?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brickley Paiste:

    So when families were apprehended under Obama the men, women, and children were all housed in the same holding facilities all together until they were shipped back across the border?

    Really?

    Yes, that’s correct. They were put into family facilities and kept together.

    Did you not know this? If not, why are you here pretending to know jack shit about what’s going on, ARGB?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: per usual, your musical taste is formidable

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    Starfish says:

    @Mnemosyne: I also like pie.

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    Calouste says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Isn’t that targeted at GOP candidates?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Brickley Paiste: Children were not separated from their parents when detained for undocumented entry under the Obama administration and its policies. These facilities were used to house children who were sent by their parents alone. And only so long as it took to do a medical check, in process them into the system, and place them either with relatives who were legally in the US or with foster families until the immigration courts could handle their cases.

    Here’s a good report on what happened by Reuters.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-children/waves-of-immigrant-minors-present-crisis-for-obama-congress-idUSKBN0E814T20140528

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    rikyrah says:

    @lamh36:
    Ask phucking Corker, Flake, Mc Cain, Collins, phucking azz Mario, why they haven’t signed onto the bill.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I love me a good Madame De Farge joke:

    Katy bar the door
    @kate_ornate
    Replying to @GOPChairwoman and @realDonaldTrump
    I’ll just be over here, knitting your real name into a scarf.

    Don’t threaten me, Ronna.

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    Cckids says:

    @lamh36: This is what I keep thinking as well. What is America building here? Look at what our “good intentions” in Iran or Afghanistan brought us. And under no conceivable scenario can what is going on in these camps be regarded as being done with good intentions.
    We are hitting Central Americans and Mexicans in their hearts-they are fiercely devoted to their families. What will these parents, or these children think in 10 years? Or 20? We’re feeding a resentment or hatred of America that will bite us in the ass sooner or later.

    And, of course, it is entirely hateful and evil as policy too. Just stupid on all levels.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Starfish:

    Oh, I’m pretty sure ARGB has me pied. He’s askeered of middle-aged wimmens who refuse to listen to his bullshit. 😈

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    dm says:

    In Chris Hayes’ reporting he keeps mentioning that detention centers like these are in old Wal-Marts. Jade-Helm has been in the news again (evidently Michael Hayden says in his new book that drumming up hysteria about it was an early experiment by the Russian troll-farms), so I keep wondering if these are some of those Wal-Marts.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I don’t think your gloss is completely accurate. Here’s a paragraph from the article you linked:

    The shortage of housing for these children, some as young as 3, has already become so acute that an emergency shelter at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, has been opened and can accommodate 1,000 of them, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said in an interview with Reuters.

    Also, among immigration activists, the term “lateral repatriation” came into use during the Obama years because when families crossed together, the fathers would often be separated, flown hundreds of miles away to a different part of the border, and repatriated there to discourage return trips and make it more expensive. In particular, fathers from as far away as Texas were transported and repatriated at Calexico.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    @Brickley Paiste: You realize you’re a sack of unrefined horseshit, right?

    Oh, no. Mr Paiste isn’t a bag of horseshit. A bag of horseshit is valuable organic matter for gardners of all sorts. It’s useful for plants and living things, and came from a horse, which is one of nature’s most fabulous creations.

    I think Brickley is more of an old tube of wallpaper paste that’s all dried out and rotted, useless for anything, can’t be recycled, must be landfilled away from humanity for our own protection.

    Will be discussing pies henceforth, and never knowing it.

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    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Trump’s b-day is already a holiday. It’s tomorrow, Flag Day.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brickley Paiste:

    Because no one under 18 could possibly have a 3-year-old child? Or be traveling with a younger sibling?

    But nice moving of the goalposts at the end there. Use your knees next time so you don’t throw your back out.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Brickley Paiste: All that does is indicate that they used Lackland for temporary housing because they ran out of space for a couple of months. This was not exactly a state secret. And the procedures were the same: in process, medical check, attempt to find relative in the US who is a citizen or legal resident to release the minor to, if none then place in foster care. What did you want them to do, chain them to the border checkpoint?

    I’ve got very, very little patience tonight for trolls. Or just people getting on my last nerve. If you keep pushing this bullshit, you’re going to be very unhappy with the response.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @J R in WV:

    We got a chocolate banana cream pie from a local place for my niece’s graduation party. It’s pretty simple — just a chocolate cream pie with bananas layered in — but delicious.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @M4:

    It was, like, the entire driving force of de León’s campaign.

    And we saw how well that worked, didn’t we?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I think Josh Marshall is off by a few years, but not by much.

    Trump: “The soldiers that died in Korea, their remains are going to be coming back home. And we have thousands of people that have asked for that. Thousands and thousands of people. So many people asked when I was on the campaign—I’d say, ‘Wait a minute, I don’t have any relationship’—but they said, ‘When you can, President, we’d love our son to be brought back home.’ You know, the remains.”

    This is such utter, complete bullshit. Let’s say the last American soldier killed in the Korean War, who died in 1953, was 17 years old (he volunteered!). That means he was born in 1936. That means his parents would have been born around 1918, if they both were 18 years old when he was born.

    So did anyone notice the “thousands and thousands” of 98-year-old parents beseeching Trump during the 2016 campaign to bring back their sons’ remains from Korea? Would’ve thought that would make the news.

    Yeah, complete bullshit.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Brickley Paiste:

    Jane Kim or Mark Leno are much better progressive choices..

    And neither of them is the new mayor of San Francisco. There’s a message there for our self-proclaimed progressive betters.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Steeplejack: Margin of error…//

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Speaking of which, today (Thursday) is Trump’s birthday—his 72nd. All hail Fearless Leader!

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    Tehanu says:

    That mural is the most disgusting thing I’ve seen yet — more disgusting than Dump fondling Ivanka’s ass. Those people who put it up have the souls of Wormtongues. What must those kids feel like, being condescended to in a lockup by the lowest turd on the planet?

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    cwmoss says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: In Oregon, 4 of our 5 members of the congressional delegation are humans. The exception is the odious creature Greg Walden, who about 8 years ago, showed signs of humanity. But since then, he’s utterly succumbed to the prion disease of the contemporary GOO. So fuck him and his ilk all to hell.

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    cwmoss says:

    @Brickley Paiste: you seem nice

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    cwmoss says:

    @Brickley Paiste: You are an absolute scumbag, as demonstrated by your sub-optimal trolling. Please return to the sub-rock slime-place from whence you scuttled.

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    cwmoss says:

    @Adam L Silverman: you are too patient.

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    cwmoss says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Totally agree, but age markers are really on display here!

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    JGabriel says:

    America’s Internment Camps for Undocumented Minors
    by Adam L Silverman

    I think we need to start calling them what they really are: Concentration Camps.

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    “sometimes losing a battle you find a new way to win the war.”

    ALL of this sounds better in the original German.

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    @Brickley Paiste: You realize you’re a sack of unrefined horseshit, right?

    Part of me wants to know what refined horseshit looks like.

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    LaNonna says:

    My parents both survived concentration camps as teenagers, then broke their backs to make a life in the USA. We left after the Patriot Act, back to socialist Italy (yes, I know it’s not perfect thanks) but this is beyond frightening, trying to convince my children and grandchildren to join us here, there are no words left to express my nightmares, ripping children from their parents, I’ve seen this movie before…

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    Miss Bianca says:

    So, for hedgehog, here’s what I just emailed Cory Gardner:

    I am writing to ask you to join your colleague Michael Bennett in supporting Senator Feinstein’s Keep Families Together Act. The Trump Administration’s zero-tolerance policy on immigration and asylum seekers is taking such a savagely punitive, cruel, and ultimately wasteful turn that it is time for Republicans of good faith to step forward and say, “Enough. We are the United States of America, not Nazi Germany, and we will not tolerate this policy.”

    It is wrong to separate families with young children, Senator. It is the opposite of “pro-life”. It is an abomination, and the rest of the civilized world sees it as such.

    Support the Feinstein bill, Senator. Even President Trump has said he is “open” to the idea of a bill keeping families together. The time to stand up for what is right is NOW, Senator. And for the love of God, *don’t* send me one of your canned responses trying to justify non-support, if that remains your position. There are some things that should remain beneath the dignity of an elected official.

    Regards,

    Miss Bianca

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    waysel says:

    @Miss Bianca: Very nice.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    @Brickley Paiste: All that does is indicate that they used Lackland for temporary housing because they ran out of space for a couple of months. This was not exactly a state secret. And the procedures were the same: in process, medical check, attempt to find relative in the US who is a citizen or legal resident to release the minor to, if none then place in foster care. What did you want them to do, chain them to the border checkpoint?

    I’ve got very, very little patience tonight for trolls. Or just people getting on my last nerve. If you keep pushing this bullshit, you’re going to be very unhappy with the response.

    All that Obama was doing was using Lackland as a temporary shelter for a few months and provide medical care while trying to get them to foster care? Okay.

    What’s happening now – from the NYT article:

    A team of 48 medical staff and three on-call physicians provide medical services. X-rays and laboratory work are done in-house. The children receive classroom instruction for six hours a day Monday through Friday, and outdoor play time for two hours a day.

    The average length of stay in a migrant children’s shelter is about 56 days, after which children generally are released to a sponsor. Some have been placed with foster families. … Only 3.5 percent of unaccompanied youths who have arrived from Central America have been returned to their home countries, Ms. Nielsen said in her report to Congress.

    So what is happening _in this facility at least_ does not appear to be materially different to what happened under Obama. Things are bad enough under Trump that it’s really unnecessary to invent more bad things. That’s what’s bullshit here.

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