Late Night Learned Helplessness Open Thread: The Mockening!

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    Platonailedit says:

    stoped?

    Illiterate thug.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Before the end of the week the NK state TV will be blasting this shit continuously as proof that NK is now a peer of the United States.

    They will NEVER give up their nukes, and Donald has been very badly played.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    That moment when you realize that Trump will tout an agreement with Kim to “halt all missle testing” and then Kim will be all “Psych! We didn’t say we’d stop developing ‘missiles’!”

    And the sad part is Trump’s worshippers will still think he’s a genius. They’ll just say Kim “back stabbed” Trump and lied to him. He will never fail in their eyes. It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic and scary.

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    Platonailedit says:

    bbc

    A matter of trust?

    Mr Trump says he is the master of all deals – and wants Kim Jong-un to trust him. But North Korea will be closely watching his record. The US had a denuclearisation deal with Iran – and Mr Trump backed out of that one. He also just this weekend agreed with G7 leaders on a final statement – only to withdraw the US from it via a tweet from Air Force One.

    Millions of dollars spent just for ego fluffing of world’s two worst insecure narcissists.

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    M4 says:

    Honestly this is going much better than I expected so far.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: Don’t forget “missle”.

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    @M4:
    Naah. Remember, Trump’s specialty is doing not a god damn thing and claiming he did. I never expected anything out of this summit at all, in immediate terms. It’s a photo op for Kim Jong Un.

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    M4 says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: I expected some sort of proactive fuckup.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Adam L Silverman: For a narcissist, surprising the thug left out the i.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @M4: @Frankensteinbeck: @M4: They’re on their way to sign something. Which the President says everyone will find out about in a few minutes. It is unclear if this is just signing the pre-agreed to communique or something they agreed to during one of the sessions so far today.

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    @M4:
    I’m sure if we were there for the meeting, it would be clear he did a dozen totally stupid things. That’s why he doesn’t let anybody see. He’s figured out that he gets mocked whenever the public gets to see him negotiate.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: He got one “i” in there. And that’s all he needs.

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Trump is tired of your low energy spelling.

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: @Platonailedit: Best we can hope for is that Trump spent the initial one-on-one BSing and gassing away and nothing of substance transpired. And if we get that far, then Kim has the good sense to backtrack at precisely the pace at which Trump is prepared to move the goalposts to declare success. Drag things out for a few months until we can begin to recover an honest government.

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    M4 says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Oh for sure, although I’m not sure about the level of self awareness you allege.

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    @M4:
    It’s not self-awareness. It’s simple behavioral modification level learning. “People find out what I said” > “I am publicly mocked” > “Don’t let people find out what I said.” A four year old could think their way through it.

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    M4 says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    A four year old could think their way through it.

    Yes, that’s the problem.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Funny how Fat Bastard wastes no time in lashing out at “haters & losers” on Twitter while he burns up millions of dollars per day on his idiotic travels.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Platonailedit:

    For a narcissist, surprising the thug left out the i.

    I’m named after an obsolete pop song, but my mom insisted the “i” be left out of the first part (because she thought “Annie” was “common”). When I was old enough to ask her why, though, she told me, “I figured you’d need all the available “I”s for talking about yourself.”

    So, obviously, old-school Trump is hoarding those precious vowels for fear of a “I” shortage!

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    @Adam L Silverman:
    If he’s on his way to sign something, dollars to donuts Trump didn’t negotiate it. Although I might go so far as ‘Kim Jong Un brought it ready to sign, and just talked Trump into signing it.’ If so, Kim Jong (Both words are the family name, is that right?) is going to find out real fast that Trump will sign any agreement and then sit on his ass and not follow up.

    Except I’m pretty sure Kim Jong Un knows exactly what to expect from Trump, and has a plan to turn Trump walking away from his promises to North Korea’s advantage.

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    Platonailedit says:

    It appears Kim Jong Un is speakin' fluent English to Trump. Too bad Trump can't return the favor.

    #SingaporeSummit— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) June 12, 2018

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    The deal will be a Trump Hotel in Pyongyang and a Kim Internment Camp in Laredo, TX.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: He’s going to have to get in line behind about three or four dozen of the regular commenters here.

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    Platonailedit says:

    The fate of the nuclear world rests on a feller that can’t spell at a third-grade level. “Stoped”

    https://t.co/ILw2U2F7cG— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) June 11, 2018

    That’s an insult to third graders.

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    prostratedragon says:

    If you‘re Kim Jong Un and your entire experience w America is Donald Trump & Dennis Rodman, would you give up your nukes?

    … the words F!0! no!! whipped through my mind like a runaway live wire …

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Usually the press is in the room when this stuff is signed so they can report on it accurately. The press is not in the room for this signing. Whatever it is that they’re signing.

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    cain says:

    What a fucking clusterfuck. So this is what it was like when Nero took over. What a pleasant feeling!

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    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Kim Jong (Both words are the family name, is that right?)

    Nope, Kim is the family name, Jong Un is his given name. There are no middle names in Korean.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Is there a special place in hell for a dictator whose regime has jailed up to 130,000 political prisoners and, according to the International Bar Association, is guilty of “systematic murder (including infanticide), torture, forced abortions and starvation”?

    pic.twitter.com/WPjNVi11dW— Nick Bryant (@NickBryantNY) June 12, 2018

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    cain says:

    @hellslittlestangel:
    Laredo? He’ll give them Gitmo.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Well done everyone!

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    Aleta says:

    We will be fine!
    Republican Party, 2018

    The nation is becoming ever more prosperous!
    Party of Mao, 1958-61

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    I keep hoping nothing comes of this. The best outcome is nothing. I fear Tяump is going to let himself get conned though. God knows what he might commit us all to.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I thought his sister’s name was Kim Yo Anna Maria Helena Francesca Elizabeth Jong.//

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    M4 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: hopefully that ages better that Rumsfeld and Saddam.

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    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.):

    commit us all to.

    Trump is not big on holding up his side of a contract. That’s the only reason I’m allowing he even might sign something. He considers contracts to be meaningless paper – or rather, declarations of what the other person has to do for him, while he is never obligated to provide anything to anyone. As I mentioned last thread, that’s what ‘fair’ means to him.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Sometimes Koreans will use an English name, Grace is popular.

    But usually only one, but she is Dear Leader’s daughter so exceptions may apply.//

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    @hellslittlestangel: They’ve got an empty hotel in Pyongyang just waiting for some branding. Tallest building in the country.

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    jl says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Trump and Kim are a perfect match. Kim is more artful at reneging. Though, IMHO, due to GOP bad faith at previous attempts at deals, the history is too murky to diagnose.

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    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Trump is not big on holding up his side of a contract.

    The Kim’s of Pyongyang don’t have a strong record there either.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @M4:

    hopefully that ages better that Rumsfeld and Saddam.

    I have no problems with Trump winding up as Saddam did. Unwashed and filthy as he was dragged from his hidey hole. And then having his hanging botched for the most painful end possible.

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    Suzanne says:

    I felt Cletus’ pain/economic anxiety….can we now send the manbabies home and give the country back to the adults? Kthxbai.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    The Kim’s of Pyongyang don’t have a strong record there either.

    To be fair, the Kims actually keep their word on occasion. Which make them more trustworthy then Trump.

    /crawling over the bar set here in the ground, I know

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    He considers contracts to be meaningless paper – or rather, declarations of what the other person has to do for him, while he is never obligated to provide anything to anyone.

    All oaths Trump makes are broken as soon as the last word leaves his lips.

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    jl says:

    @TenguPhule: Calm down and stop typing things like that.
    I think that comment should be taken down.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Well done everyone!

    Our IC has a lot to answer for. They can destablize other countries but one fucking home grown idiot is beyond their ability to curtail.

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    Aleta says:

    Benjy Sarlin @BenjySarlin
    I’m not sure it’s possible to capture an entire era in one image, but Dennis Rodman running a cryptocurrency grift on live TV from the North Korea summit while wearing a MAGA is a serious nominee

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    TenguPhule says:

    @jl: The Nazis are not going to go quietly or peacefully.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @jl: Shut up.

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    Aleta says:

    Brian Klaas @brianklaas
    Trump is showing far more warmth to a dictator who starves his people and tosses opponents into gulags or murders them for his viewing pleasure than he showed our closest allies this week. And he’s attacking the press—alongside a guy who runs a propaganda-driven police state.

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    Calouste says:

    @Aleta: If you show that picture of a black man advertising something drugs related wearing a MAGA hat to Jeff Sessions, his brain is going to melt down. Maybe that was the purpose.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Aleta: A murdering dictator is a man after the traitorous twitler’s own thuggish heart. No surprises there.

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    Aleta says:

    @Calouste: Maybe CNN should ask him to comment on Sessions instead.

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    Raoul says:

    AP: Kim declares ‘world will see a major change’ and he and Trump ‘decided to leave the past behind’ as they sign document.

    What the actual f–k does that second part mean? We’re just gonna say “bygones” over everything up to now?

    This B movie horror flick has the absolutely worst writers.

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    Dman says:

    Sitting here listening to some Billy Bragg

    https://youtu.be/ht_kphHDe7I

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    NotMax says:

    In a stunning coincidence, both Kim and Dolt 45 weigh in at exactly 239 pounds. //

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    But “Hotel of Doom” is so evocative.

    The “Hotel of Doom,” as it was nicknamed, has cost approximately $552 million to date but has yet to host a single guest, the Independent reported.

    The 105-story skyscraper was finally unveiled this summer after being under construction for nearly 30 years, although its doors still remain closed. Source

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    lamh36 says:

    ‪All these folks talking bout the parents of the American man that NK killed and how they must be feeling…correct me if I’m wrong , but they hated Obama didn’t they? are Trump supporters or are they not? as we have already seen trump supporters will rationalize anything he does‬…so why would the parents be any different than the rest of the Chump bas 😐

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    @NotMax:

    But “Hotel of Doom” is so evocative.

    Branding, NotMax, branding.

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    tobie says:

    Jonathan Cheng of the Wall St. Journal has the most up-to-date twitter posts on what’s in the letter Kim and Trump signed. (Alas I don’t know how to link to or excerpt from twitter.) The four points are all generic stuff (commit to peace, to good relations, to identifying and repatriating remains of POWs/MIAs). The big point seems to be:

    Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

    As many have noted, “committed to working toward complete denuclearization” is not a pledge to reduce weapon stocks or to denuclearize. The whole summit was a PR exercise, and in the polarized US that’s enough to make FOX viewers jubilant.

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    @tobie: Adam has pointed out a number of times, and I think he’s correct, that what Trump thinks in denuclearization and what KJU thinks are two different things.

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    Shalimar says:

    Huge success. Biggest success ever. No one predicted how successful this would be.

    For someone who cultivates a reputation as unpredictable, it is incredibly easy to script Trump’s narratives and lies in advance.

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    tobie says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I trust Adam and Cheryl on all this. What’s stunning is just how generic the communique is. There is no there there. The one consequence of this summit is that North Korea is no longer a pariah nation. That’s it. Trump elevated NK to a world player. I hope the Democrats settle on talking points soon and hammer home just what a defeat this summit has been in terms of actual substance (i.e., we got nothing but we managed to integrate NK into the world community).

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    Quinerly says:

    Forgive me if discussed. I fell asleep. Kudlow had a heart attack. 😎

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    Raoul says:

    Michael McFaul @McFaul
    Exactly. It means our negotiators achieved nothing new – not one new concession in exchange for legitimation of North Korean dictator.

    Bill Neely @BillNeelyNBC
    … REAFFIRMING. TO WORK TOWARDS… This is an intention only.

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    tobie says:

    @Raoul: Glad to see McFaul has hit the nail on the head. Good, succinct summary. Stick to the talking point, Dems. McFaul’s tweet is it in a nutshell.

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    M4 says:

    The iTunes terms and conditions contain a more substantive clause about not using nuclear weapons than the document that Trump and Kim just signed.

    pic.twitter.com/I1iXDQT83O— James O'Malley (@Psythor) June 12, 2018

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    Manxome Bromide says:

    @tobie:

    The one consequence of this summit is that North Korea is no longer a pariah nation. That’s it. Trump elevated NK to a world player. I hope the Democrats settle on talking points soon and hammer home just what a defeat this summit has been in terms of actual substance (i.e., we got nothing but we managed to integrate NK into the world community).

    I realize this is the Learned Helplessness Open Thread, but exactly which nations are going to take this as NK being a non-pariah nation? KJU got a propaganda opportunity for his own subjects, but not one nation or organization in the EU, Africa or the Americas is going to start trading with North Korea as a result of this summit.

    I’m not feeling obligated to legitimate North Korea amongst the community of nations as a result of this summit. Are any of you? If any actual treaty language came out of it, I’d be pushing the Dems to block the treaty from being ratified, because they are numerous enough to do so. I would not want them treating capitulation as a fait accompli.

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    tobie says:

    @Manxome Bromide: I can think of a few nations which will have an easier time including North Korea in discussions about various issues in the Pacific Rim in the future. China, Russia, South Korea and Singapore immediately come to mind. Perhaps Pakistan can now have open talks about the technology transfers they’ve had with North Korea for some time. Maybe other two-bit dictators like Duterte and Erdogan can form a club with KJU. Thanks to Trump’s efforts NK has now had its coming out party on the world stage. This is a big deal even if no trade agreements are immediately forged. (Don’t know what NK has to sell except nuclear and missile technology.) I’m not feeling helpless at the moment. I’d actually say I’m feeling rather emboldened now that Trump’s summit has been exposed as a PR stunt and nothing else.

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    M4 says:

    @tobie:

    Don’t know what NK has to sell except nuclear and missile technology.

    They have a gazillion dollars in unexploited minerals.

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    @tobie: I’m just relieved that Trump didn’t trade California for branding on the hotel in Pyongyang.

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    @M4: You’d think the Chinese would have already exploited that. It’s a bit closer than Africa.

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    tobie says:

    @M4: Didn’t know that. Thanks for the info. I’ve been offline a lot of late. Did you change your screen name?
    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: As McFaul said, we can be happy for many things in this agreement but that’s because we set such a low bar. Anyhow, happy I can still visit CA.

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    Mai naem mobile says:

    @Quinerly: he really really doesn’t want to work for Trumpov after Sunday.

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    M4 says:

    @tobie: ever since the WordPress upgrade, my phone browser won’t persist my info here, and I never did get the autocomplete working right with email (something to do with iCloud I think). I got tired of typing Major a lot. Thinking I might get something slightly longer.

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    patrick II says:

    North Korea has already launched a icbm that will reach most, if not all, of the U.S. What is left to do is a heat shield that will stand up to the temperatures of re-entry. They can work on and test that out of sight (by re-creating re-entry temperatures to test on). So, they can sign a treaty saying no missile testing and it would be very difficult to know if they were continuing work on a re-entry shield.
    Kim’s main goal is alway dynasty protection, but
    a list of Kim’s sub-goals might include:
    1. Acknowledgment of North Korean government as an equal.
    2.Hold off Bolton and other hawks from an attack now/regime change strategy until they have their re-entry shield.
    3. Economic incentives.
    4. Removal U.S. troops.
    5. Not have to spend quite so much on military now that they have a serious number of nukes.
    6. Friendlier relations with South Korea (who now knows they will get nuked if they are seen as too aggressive.)
    7. lacing up the jordans and getting to play a little b-ball with dennis as long as he is in town.

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    tobie says:

    @M4: M4 has an English, spy world ring to it. Like MI5 or 007. I think it’s a good screen nym.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Twitler thug’s stupid pen dick move and how a sister act thwarted the moron.

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    Shalimar says:

    Richard Engel on MSNBC just made the most unintentionally hilarious statement I have ever heard. He declared Trump one of the three winners in this because he set a meeting and showed up. In other words, Trump is giving himself a participation award and wants praise for it.

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    EBT says:

    If ever there was a time to demand to roll to disbelieve, it is now.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @NotMax:
    A tiny question: how does one “veil” a 105-storey building in the first place?

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    Hire a wanna be Christo?

    ;)

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    Another Scott says:

    @tobie: Agreed that there’s nothing of substance (at least that I’ve heard) so far.

    But we shouldn’t minimize the benefits that this meeting has provided to the region and the world.

    For years (many) in the US have talked about “preventing” the DPRK from getting a nuclear weapon and ICBMs, red lines, “it won’t happen”, nuclear war, and the like. Looking at it rationally, it was all bluster. An attack on the DPRK would have huge costs and little assurance that it would actually achieve the goal of ending their ICBM and warhead capabilities. There was the potential for thousands – or more – civilian deaths in exchange for the USA keeping its “word”.

    There are big benefits to the region and the world to have that bluster – on both sides – end; to have the weapons and ICBM tests end; and to actually be talking.

    I really don’t care about the “optics” and “Kim being treated like an equal”. Let them play BMOC for a few days. We tried (with notable exceptions) to isolate the Kims and punish them with sanctions and embargoes and the like for decades. It didn’t make them bend to our will. We can talk to him without ending all the economic punishments. We can even do some trade with them to encourage them to open up and liberalize. It doesn’t have to be a binary – we’ll bomb you back to the stone age vs. here, join the first world and sign a mutual defense treaty – relationship.

    I too have no confidence that Trump knows what he’s doing. He just wants the pomp, the parades, the medals, and the happy tweets. But this long overdue meeting was a good thing.

    What comes next is hugely important, of course… Presumably Congress can stop anything too insane – if not immediately then after January. We’ll see.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Vhh says:

    @M4: North Korea is way smaller than a bunch of US states, not to mention Russia, Kazakhstan, Brazil, etc. What they do have are millions of impoverished, frightened slaves who work hard for 1500 calories per day and a mattress.

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