Fuck Your Guns

This is an obscenity:

The kindergartners are apparently to learn to sing the lock-down song to the tune of “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.” It’s like a goddamned horror movie.

In the upcoming election, we’ll find out if there’s enough fight left in America to beat back lawless authoritarianism. We’ll also find out if we’ll continue to privilege some neck-bearded yahoo’s yearning to hump an AR-15 or similar battlefield weapon over our children’s lives and well-being.

Let’s not keep failing this test.

191 replies
  1. 1

    Good God, this is horrific

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    Ruckus says:

    Let’s not keep failing this test

    I’m trying to think of a snarky answer.
    Lots come to mind. None to keyboard.
    I’ve tried to discuss this with some and it’s either absolutely or what are you on about.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    We are supposed to accept this as NORMAL?
    These people are insane.
    (stating the obvious, I know)

    ETA: the last line…dear lord… “now its time to have some fun”
    What. The. Hell.

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    I am afraid to ask, but is there also a helpful ditty with instructions on how to bum rush shooters?

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    Waldo says:

    Lockdown, Lockdown
    it’s a game
    that let’s the gun nuts
    skirt the blame

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    Lapassionara says:

    I have 5 grandchildren, and my heart aches when I contemplate what they could one day face at school.

    OT, but there is some good news in a new poll out today, for Dems. And if Dems don’t point out that the recent tax changes have harmed Medicare and SS, they are committing political malpractice.

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    Starfish says:

    On June 13th the Colorado State Board of Education will vote on health standards for K-12 Students including a Republican amendment to require 4th grade teachers to teach about the benefits of gun ownership, rather than just the dangers.

    Here is the petition.

  9. 9
    msb says:

    Holy Jesus. Not sure if I’m swearing or praying.

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    nonynony says:

    I’ve actually got tears sitting here at my desk.

    When I was in college people would compete for who could come up with the darkest “joke”. On our worst days none of us came up with anything like that.

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    SFAW says:

    Good Christ.

    The NRA needs to be classified, and treated, as the terrorist organization that it is. Wayne LaPierre should be sent to Guantanamo.

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    Elizabelle says:

    We can beat the NRA. The momentum is on our side, and it is not going away. A nation of targets.

    The song is kinda brilliant: pipe down and hide. The fact it’s posted in US classrooms: we have a problem.

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    rikyrah says:

    PHUCK THE UNITY COMMISSION.
    And, if you get rid of Superdelegates, then let’s get rid of Caucuses. Period.

    House Dems seethe over superdelegates plan

    The Democratic National Committee is set to meet this week to decide on a reform plan that would rein in superdelegates.

    By JOHN BRESNAHAN and HEATHER CAYGLE 06/06/2018 09:13 PM EDT Updated 06/07/2018 08:24 AM EDT

    The controversial issue of “superdelegates” and their future in the Democratic Party led to an angry confrontation on Tuesday night between Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez and House Democrats, according to several lawmakers.

    But the members’ angst may not help them since it appears that the DNC is ready to rein in the status of superdelegates, also known as “unpledged” delegates, no matter what lawmakers say or do.

    Superdelegates include members of Congress, governors, party elders such as former presidents and vice presidents, DNC members and other assorted “distinguished party leaders.” They made up roughly 15 percent of the delegates during the 2016 convention. Unlike other delegates, they are free to vote for any candidate they want.

    The logic is that party leaders immersed in the candidates and issues of the day can provide a guardrail against selecting an “unelectable” nominee for the general election. But the party base loathes this elite class of delegates, saying it stacks the primary process against the wishes of regular voters.

    ……………………………………….

    The first proposal — a product of the “Unity Reform Commission” established at the 2016 convention to “revise and reduce” the role of superdelegates — would create three categories of superdelegates. Some superdelegates would be allowed to vote in the first roll-call vote for the presidential nominee, while others would not.

    However, Perez warned members that this proposal wouldn’t win enough backing to be adopted at the August DNC session.

    The second option, which Perez supports and which appears far more likely to be enacted, would allow superdelegates to continue to exist, but they couldn’t vote during the first round of the presidential roll-call vote. They could, however, vote during the second round or any subsequent roll call, and they would still be permitted to support any candidate they wanted.

    Perez believes this approach ensures that “we have an inclusive party, transparent process, democratic principles, and empowers the grassroots,” a DNC official said.

    And that’s what set the House members off, because none of them believe there will be any more than one roll-call vote for the nominee.

    In their view, that means elected Democratic officials — who have been put into office by hundreds of thousands or even millions of constituents — won’t play a role in nominating their party’s presidential candidate.

    “I believe this decision, if they go forward, is going to do terrible damage to party harmony,” said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), who raised his objections with Perez during Tuesday’s dinner. “It disenfranchises the elected leadership of the party. The last time we allowed that to happen was 1972, and we had the worst landslide in our history.”

    “I believe that elected officials across the country — Congress and governors — I believe they provide a ballast for the party that we very much need,” Connolly added. “With all due respect to somebody who thinks we don’t need it, when we haven’t had it, Democrats have had disastrous results.”

    “I think this is absolutely an insult to us,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.). “We’re no better than anybody else, but we stand for election. That has to mean something, that has to stand for something. That’s a lot of baloney.”

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    Brachiator says:

    @Starfish:

    On June 13th the Colorado State Board of Education will vote on health standards for K-12 Students including a Republican amendment to require 4th grade teachers to teach about the benefits of gun ownership, rather than just the dangers.

    Can’t teach safe sex, but we can teach “sure shooting.”

    The gun nuts are doubling down on insanity. To hell with all of them.

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    laura says:

    @Waldo: Please come to the mezzanine and collect your internets.

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    Waldo says:

    Bloodbath, Bloodbath
    It’s alright
    Cuz angry white guys
    Got their rights

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    LAO says:

    @Starfish: Are you shitting me? I can’t believe it — but of course I can because guns are never the problem, they are always the solution to these goddamn NRA stooges.

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    Platonailedit says:

    gud gawd. Insanity.

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    nonynony says:

    @Starfish:

    benefits of gun ownership

    Is there a list? Because the “benefits of gun ownership” seem to be “target shooting is fun for some people”, “hunting is something people still do and some of them actually enjoy, I guess, even with all of the nitwits who don’t know how to handle a firearm around” and “if you feel insecure about yourself, you can at least fantasize about taking your gun and shooting the people you hate with it”.

    It’s like saying we should teach kids the benefits of playing the lottery or of smoking. If there are real benefits, why doesn’t the NRA use some of their budget to advertise them?

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    Tom says:

    @Waldo: Damn, that’s harsh. Brilliant, but harsh.

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    MattF says:

    The scariest thing I saw in kindergarten was the hairy arms of the toddler sitting next to me.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    The DeVos bitch insists that they won’t talk about firearms at this big school safety conference.

    The fucking elephant will sit on you, Betsy, you worthless hack.

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    LAO says:

    I’ve told this story here before, so forgive me for repeating it, but my brother (a federal agent) was a first responder at Sandy Hook Elementary. At the time, his oldest child was in 2d grade in a neighboring town. The massacre of elementary school children fundamentally changed him and his views on gun ownership — he’d take away everyone’s guns if he could.

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    rikyrah says:

    New Cambridge Analytica revelations connect Trump Russia dots

    Rachel Maddow reports on how new revelations about an executive from Cambridge Analytica, the data firm hired by the Donald Trump campaign, meeting with Julian Assange, and the firm’s use of data from a Russia-sponsored academic.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @nonynony: and will this class distinguish between hunting for food weapons such as rifles and shotguns and paranoid/small pen!s/let’s commit a crime weapons such as handguns and assault rifles?

    Rhetorical question, obviously.

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    Jeffro says:

    Anything but the obvious here in America. “Harden” the schools to prison-levels of security…give elementary school kids metal plates to put in their backpacks…put a bucket of rocks in each classroom…arm the teachers (wait, the insurance companies won’t go for that, never mind)…make a lot of noise about ‘mental health’…but, y’know, never really figure out what makes the U.S. so different from all the other Western democracies. It’s something…I just can’t quite put my finger on it…

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    MattF says:

    @rikyrah: But… they’ve got ‘Cambridge’ in their name. They’re respectable by definition.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @rikyrah:

    the party base loathes this elite class of delegates

    That’s not “the party base,” that’s a bunch of whiny conspiracy-minded loons who think the something something establishment something somethinged them in the back.

    And IIRC the point when these things were created was to allow more regular folks to be delegates, because before that the already-organizationally-powerful people who are now “superdelegates” used to take up the spots of regular delegates.

    Seems like a solution in search of a problem.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    In light of this, perhaps some people owe reverend wright an apology for condemning the “god damn America” portion of that sermon

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    @Starfish: For fuck’s sake!!!!!
    OT? Had to put my cat, Alice, to sleep this morning before work. She’d been in failing health for some time, and I kept checking in with the vet to make sure she wasn’t in any pain. It became clear that this morning she was ready to go. She was a good kitty!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @nonynony: I know where you were going with that and don’t necessarily disagree, but want to point out that in many areas of the country, with the changes we have made to the ecosystem, “sport” hunting is actually a necessary part of a wildlife management strategy.

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    Jeffro says:

    @rikyrah: oh ffs…who do they think they’re going to please by mucking around with this “ok, 1st-Tier Superdelegates can vote on the first and subsequent ballots, 2nd-Tier Supers can vote on the 2nd and subsequent…” etc etc etc. It’s just more “rigging”, right? And when have we ever made those who cry “rigged!” happy about anything?

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    LAO says:

    @RedDirtGirl: So very sorry for your loss!

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    Tokyokie says:

    I have long contended that open carry is assault. Period. According to the online legal dictionary, under the common law assault is “an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.” If I see some goober with a big-ass handgun on his belt or an assault rile on his shoulder, hell yes I’m apprehensive. Because brandishing firearms in public is not conducti that sane people perform, and, having concluded that the goober is fucking insane, I fear that he might decide to use his phallic substitute to blow me away because I reminded him of his junior-high gym teacher or some such.

    But it’s not merely that these asswipes want the government to grant their inherently illegal behavior the imprimatur of legality, they demand those who are not as bughouse loony as they are accept their hideous actions as being virtuous. So yeah, fuck ’em and their death-dealing metal penises. And any pol who accepts the NRA’s blood money is basically declaring that he wants people like Emma and most members of the BJ community dead.

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    Kristine says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Heartfelt sympathies. This has been a rough year for beloved pets.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @RedDirtGirl: My condolences on your cat. You did right by her, but it’s so hard to lose them.

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    eric says:

    @RedDirtGirl: so so sorry, :(…

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Glad that both you and she are at peace. Strength and sympathy to all who loved her.

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: How are you and your wife doing today?

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @RedDirtGirl: So sorry. I hope your memories of her will be a comfort.

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    CliosFanBoy says:

    @RedDirtGirl: I am so sorry….. :(

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    Starfish says:

    @RedDirtGirl: So sorry for your loss.

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    ellie says:

    @RedDirtGirl: I am so sorry about Alice. I had to put my beloved kitty 2% to sleep on May 4. Since then I keep looking for him everywhere. He was such a part of my life for 14 years that I can’t get over he is gone. I picked up his cremains yesterday and cried all day :( kitty

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    chopper says:

    @Jerzy Russian:

    ♩ ♪ make a fist and hold your breath
    then rush into certain death♩♫

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    bemused says:

    Our oldest grandkid is starting kindergarten. I feel sick to my stomach. Makes our kids’ k to 12 years look so carefree and ideal in comparison. I am beyond furious and terrified for our grown kids and our grandkids futures if the degenerate monsters aren’t reined in.

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    Leto says:

    @rikyrah: This segment was really good with regarding to connecting a lot of the dots between Russia, the emails, Wikileaks (Assange specifically), and the Trump pack. The segment played out like Kay had specifically written it with a lot of her questions/thought process in mind.

    Edit: @RedDirtGirl: I’m so sorry for your loss.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Is there a list?

    @nonynony: It’s getting smaller. I own some. I find target practice at the range the most relaxing thing one can do (you have to put everything else out of your mind and FOCUS, because guns are dangerous!). That being said, the ranges filled up with idiots after Obama got elected and I do mean idiots. People waving around loaded guns, taking selfies with them. Like it’s a fucking party. People in full combat rig dumping mag after mag into targets four yards away. Some of these idiots are going through two hundred bucks in ammo per session. I’ve left the last two times I went because I did not feel safe and told the owner so. Her and I are friends, so she didn’t take it amiss. She doesn’t know what to do about it. They need the business and the people are legally able to use the range, but I told her damn if I’ll be back unless it’s a weekday morning – and I work then, so odds are I won’t be back very much. Been maybe five times since 2008. Will happily vote for anyone who wants to ban the fucking things. I’ll be first in line to hand ’em back.

    Your logical question: why not get rid of them now? Great question.

    In all honesty, the answer is because I think there’s a non-zero chance of a full on civil war (civilian on civilian, not involving the military) within the next fifteen years. Not willing to unilaterally disarm. That’s it. Mock as needed.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO: she’s unchanged; I’m worse after sleeping fitfully in a chair that didn’t fully recline. Because this is all about my discomfort rather than my wife’s acute pain!

    Hopefully the pain will diminish enough in the next day or so that she can go back home with the fentanyl patch and Percocet versus the dilaudid drip. What a mess!

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    Jack the Second says:

    @rikyrah: Superdelegates aren’t a guard against unelectable candidates; they are a guard against candidates who should not be elected.

    Trump was electable. Shouldn’t have been.

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    @RedDirtGirl: You did a kind thing. I’m sorry for you loss.

    @ellie: And your loss too. Losing a loved animal is hard.

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    Brinkley Paiste says:

    You’re certainly correct that this kindergarten rhyme is an obscenity, but not for the reason you think it is

    School shootings are quite rare and the emotional damage wrought by these pointless lockdown drills far outweigh the loss of life they prevent

    Crime is at a 40 or 50 year low in this country but gun jumpers fear they’re besieged so they buy more guns. At the other end of the spectrum ninnies who get off hyping the threat of guns and shootings force children to live out their sick fantasies with these drills

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @rikyrah: I respectfully disagree – I’m with Perez on this one. I’d be happy with getting rid of caucuses too, but that’s a separate issue. You’re right that both distort democracy. I think this is a step in the right direction.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @SFAW: And people need to stop voting for politicians who are beholden to the NRA. Otherwise, nothing will change.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    In light of this, perhaps some people owe reverend wright an apology for condemning the “god damn America” portion of that sermon

    @Steve in the ATL: Unlike most people, I listened to the whole sermon when it became an issue. I frankly agreed with him then, and even moreso now.

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    Leto says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Then they can do what they do on my military base here: hire a contractor to eliminate X amount of that population. It can be written into the contract that part of the compensation package is that the contractors can keep remains to process into sausage, ground meat, etc, or whatever they agree is proper disposal. Even hunting can be further regulated to the point that “wild life management” hunters aren’t needed. Personally I don’t give two shits if that angers the “I supplement my grocery shopping with two freezers full of venison” crowd. Tough shit.

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    rikyrah says:

    Two EPA staffers leave as Scott Pruitt scandal worsens

    Rachel Maddow reports on two EPA staffers leaving the agency as the scandal of Scott Pruitt trying to use the influence of his public office to get his wife a Chick-fil-A franchise reaches a new level of corruption even for Pruitt.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Tokyokie:

    I have long contended that open carry is assault.

    I like that. We have to get creative again. Such as back in the sixties when battery was used against a restaurant owner who snatched a plate out of the hands of a black man who dared enter the buffet line.

    Under traditional law, if I punch you I have committed battery (“an offensive touching”). If I swing at you and miss I have assaulted you. Most statutes that I have seen (and defer to the many expert criminal defense attorneys who frequent this place) cover both under the title “assault and battery”.

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Here’s hoping she gets home soon. Fingers are crossed.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I had to put my beloved kitty 2% to sleep on May 4. Since then I keep looking for him everywhere.

    @ellie: After I put my last cat down, I kept seeing her for months out of the corner of my eye.

    @RedDirtGirl: Aww damn, I am sorry. I will say this for cats; they let you know, if you’re paying any attention at all, that they’re ready to check out. Which makes it easier because then you must come to terms with it.

    I did not know that dogs usually don’t do this, but I know it now, the hard way.

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    rikyrah says:

    Democrats in good shape for 2018 after California primaries

    Steve Kornacki talks wit Rachel Maddow about the outcome of important California primary races and how the Democrats are set up to flip some seats in the 2018 midterms.

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    Spanky says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    That’s it. Mock as needed.

    I am unable to mock, sadly.

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    rikyrah says:

    @RedDirtGirl:

    So sorry for your loss. :(

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    trollhattan says:

    @RedDirtGirl:
    Very sorry to hear this. Am sure Alice felt loved to the very end.

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    hedgehog the occasional commenter says:

    @RedDirtGirl: So sorry for your loss. It hurts so…

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    Spanky says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Whether they’re past their time or in their prime, losing them is so hard. My sympathies and hope for peace for you. You did right by her.

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    LAO says:

    @Tokyokie: @Steve in the ATL: As long as open carry is legal, absent any other action on the part of the gunhumper, no assault.

    Although I agree with you both that it’s a intimidation tactic — just not subject to prosecution. Also, I’m always weary of expanding the definition of criminal conduct and the reach of criminal statutes. Invariably, such statutes are used against the indigent and POC.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    in many areas of the country, with the changes we have made to the ecosystem, “sport” hunting is actually a necessary part of a wildlife management strategy.

    This is true. I’ve mentioned this here before (all of you remember all of my posts, right? RIGHT?), but I once represented a HOA which had hired the USDA to send sharpshooters to the development to thin the deer herd. There was no hunting allowed on the property, so the herd had grown too big for the available resources and there was rampant disease and starvation. Won that case three times, all the way to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    To tie this into another recent thread, we worked the case with counsel representing co-defendant the State of Georgia. That counsel? Then-Georgia attorney general Mike Bowers of Bowers v. Hardwick infamy.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO: yeah yeah public policy discrimination blah blah blah–think of the increase in business for your practice!

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I don’t live in an open carry state!

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    nonynony says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I know where you were going with that and don’t necessarily disagree, but want to point out that in many areas of the country, with the changes we have made to the ecosystem, “sport” hunting is actually a necessary part of a wildlife management strategy.

    Yeah, I know. But given the lack of training that a lot of these gun nuts seem to have, I couldn’t imaging going hunting anywhere but private property these days where I knew I was the only one out there. (Not that I’ve ever enjoyed hunting much myself, but even if I did the idjits would likely be enough to encourage me to just go camping and skip the hunting – so long as I was camping somewhere where firearms were restricted).

    @The Moar You Know:

    Your experience is basically what many of my friends who target shoot have experienced. Two of them have just stopped outright going and have gotten rid of their guns (admittedly one of them did because he had a kid and even though it was locked up he didn’t like having it in the house when the kid got mobile). The one who still goes actually works a job where he can go on weekday mornings and that’s basically what he does.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Starfish:
    If I were a Colorado 4th grade teacher (those poor kids) I would do this.

    “Alright class, I’m about to summarize the benefits of gun ownership. [Brief pause] Okay, recess!”

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    Mike R says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Very sorry about you cat, the little fur balls mean so much.

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    arrieve says:

    Just when I thought my outrage meter might be growing numb from overuse, something like this turns up. Anyone who would accept this as normal is beyond redemption.

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    Brachiator says:

    @LAO:

    The massacre of elementary school children fundamentally changed him and his views on gun ownership — he’d take away everyone’s guns if he could.

    I just wish that more people were as wise as he was.

    Still, a very hopeful story. Thanks.

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    Tazj says:

    @Waldo: You’re on a roll. It’s crazy but true that gun nuts believe that these tragedies are inevitable in a free society and that we just have to live this way.

    @RedDirtGirl: So sorry, it’s a sad and difficult day for you.
    @ellie: I’m sorry for you also. It’s going to be hard, take it easy.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Although I agree with you both that it’s a intimidation tactic

    @LAO: You are all correct. It is. I would never shoot an animal unless it was trying to eat me, but the only time I think anyone could justify carrying openly is either while hunting or in legit bear country. Open carry to your local Starbucks is literally the carrier just trying to scare the shit out of everyone in a manner they can get away with in court.

    Societies should reward neither juvenile or bullying behavior, and open carry is both.

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    condorcet runner-up says:

    My two preschoolers were talking about their day about 2 weeks ago and in between discussions of the playground and dinosaurs one of them casually mentioned a lockdown drill they had to do. I don’t blame the schools for being prepared, but it was galling to me that this is where we are at, and that this is what we as a society have been forced to accept. I know the solution is to keep voting our interests, but I wonder what this sort of new reality does to young psyches. We used to have fire drills and tornado drills, but the idea that these kids are living with the knowledge and possibility that another fellow human being can snap and come aiming for them, and that this is now just a thing that can happen rather than something that is very, very wrong with society and must be fixed, is very hard to process for me.

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    Elizabelle says:

    WaPost: good article on rural dentist practices. So few paying customers that you need about a 30 mile radius to bring in enough clients to stay in business. Of course the example is picturesque West Virginia.

    CAVITY COUNTRY
    Rural America has too few dentists — and too few patients who can pay

    …. But while it is true that West Virginia has a dentist shortage, adding more providers will not solve the problem of rural oral health. People don’t go to the dentist if they can’t afford to, no matter how many dentists there are. “Affordability is the big thing,” said Richard Meckstroth, chair of the department of dental practice and rural health at West Virginia University.

    And affordability cuts both ways. Recruiting more providers into shortage areas can compound the problem, said Meckstroth, putting local dentists into tougher financial straits by increasing competition for a relatively small pool of paying patients. The dentists who arrive under loan forgiveness programs also tend to leave after their two-year obligation is up, what Meckstroth calls a “revolving door” that deprives patients of continuity of care.

    As busy as (Dr. Lynnel) Beauchesne’s Preston County practice is, it brings in only enough to stay afloat. A scant 53 percent of the county’s population is in the labor force, and the poverty rate is 17 percent. Dental care is a relative luxury, so Beauchesne (bo-SHANE) keeps prices barely above costs. The office charges $90 for a cleaning, an exam and bitewing X-rays — about half the national average fee and a third of what many big-city dentists would charge for the same services. “I try to keep my prices in the realm of what people can afford and so they will want to come,” she said. “I don’t want people to come just for extractions. I want them to come for cleanings and to keep the teeth they have.”

    Beauchesne’s patients struggle to afford her all the same. According to the state’s Bureau for Public Health, only 40 percent of adults in West Virginia have access to dental benefits of any kind, compared with about 65 percent of working-age adults nationwide.While the state’s Medicaid program covers preventive care for children, adults get no coverage except for extractions or treatment for infections.

    This, in the “wealthiest” country in the world. It’s a national disgrace.

    ETA: I wonder if we could do a “guns for dentistry” buyback in some states. Get guns out of households; save some teeth and lives.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Commonly where that has occurred their migration corridor has been split in pieces due to poor land development practices and they are effectively trapped within segments. There are plenty of subdivisions in California where deer are considered “pests” because they eat garden plants, while the state’s overall population is in decline.

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    LAO says:

    @The Moar You Know: I couldn’t agree with you more. But the answer isn’t to criminalize “legal behavior” but to abolish open carry. We should not permit open carry in this country — unfortunately, many jurisdictions do.

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    condorcet runner-up says:

    Someone should cut an ad with kids singing that song to twinkle twinkle little star, and end with something simple like, “is this the America that we want for our kids?” That is just chilling.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    I find target practice at the range the most relaxing thing one can do (you have to put everything else out of your mind and FOCUS, because guns are dangerous!

    Riding a motorcycle requires a similar level of focus and is thus great for clearing the mind. Also dangerous! But mostly to the rider and any pedestrian who strays into the road rather than to schoolchildren, moviegoers, concert attendees, etc.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @RedDirtGirl: That sucks. I am sorry. :(

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    Mary G says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Alice was a good girl. After I lost my 21-year-old Sophie, I would dream about her at night. It seemed so real at times. In my dreams she could talk and was very sarcastic and rude.

    @ellie: My condolences on 2%, too. What a cool cat name.

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    NotMax says:

    Molding Warping little minds since 2018.

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    trollhattan says:

    @LAO:
    I wouldn’t wish that upon anybody. You’d be haunted the rest of your days.

    Bet he’d love to have a chat with Alex Jones.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @LAO:

    I’m fine with making open carry in public illegal. It’s an asshole thing to do anyway.

    To me, it’s reminiscent of the classic flasher-in-a-raincoat, and the dude’s fellow perverts decided to make flashing legal.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Motorcycles offer tangible benefits of efficient transportation and taking less space to park. I’m struggling finding similar benefits for guns.

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    Anotherlurker says:

    @The Moar You Know: My trusty old Ruger 10/.22 is locked in my brother’s gun safe, in NY. I live in florida.
    Like you, I used to enjoy target shooting at the range. Until assholes in camo, with ARs started hanging tagets of black kids in hoodies and scary moo slim terrorists. What frightened me was how easy it is to disable the semi-auto mechanism.
    I don’t miss the range or shooting in general.
    People here in the degenerate south think I’m nuts when I say that never, in my entire life, have I ever felt frightened enough to cary a firearm.
    BTW, I worked my entire career in NYC and frequented many neighborhoods that those frightened southern and midwest would crap themselves if they were brought there.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @RedDirtGirl:
    @ellie:

    I’m so sorry. It’s hard to lose them even when you know it’s time to let them go. 😪

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    burnspbesq says:

    @SFAW:

    Wayne LaPierre should be sent to Guantanamo.

    A solution worse than the problem. No one should be in Guantanamo (or Florence, for that matter).

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @RedDirtGirl:
    My condolences.

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    LAO says:

    @trollhattan: I remember watching live coverage and seeing him on my TV/Internet which was an added layer of surreal.

    Here’s a picture of him that ran on RWNJ websites — LINK. These conspiracy loons are horrible human beings.

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    Heidi Mom says:

    @RedDirtGirl: So sorry for your loss. Sometimes the kindest thing is the hardest thing to do, as all pet guardians know.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Elizabelle:

    We can beat the NRA. The momentum is on our side, and it is not going away. A nation of targets.

    Yes…we can..we need to lift up these kids and have their backs.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @rikyrah:

    Why is Perez giving in to Wilmer?

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    West of the Rockies says:

    To day is the last day of my daughter’s junior year in high school.

    I genuinely, ludicrously, tragically find myself breathing a sigh of relief: hooray, no mass shootings at her school.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Elizabelle: Civilized countries recognize this as a problem and develop actual solutions. (I have an old friend who took early retirement from his private practice and went to work for this outfit.)

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO: we have a serious mental illness epidemic in this country

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    trollhattan says:

    @LAO:
    Am peculiarly grateful to not comprehend how they think. All that therapy avoided.

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    rikyrah says:

    @ellie:

    Sorry for your loss too :(

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    Another Scott says:

    @nonynony: I live near a creek that feeds the Potomac in Virginia. There’s a state law that duck hunting, etc., cannot be forbidden on such waterways. So, naturally, a few years ago, a guy set up a duck blind in the middle of the creek, roughly 100 feet from the back doors of people’s houses who were on the creek.

    Caused quite a ruckus, it did.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    rikyrah says:

    @burnspbesq:

    Why is Perez giving in to Wilmer?

    I dunno, but he should tell him to go phuck himself.

    The primaries are done. They should table it until AFTER the November 2018 elections.

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    Shell says:

    Dr. Seuss for 2018.

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    MomSense says:

    @RedDirtGirl: @ellie:

    So sorry about Alice and 2%.

    @Tokyokie:

    I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. And how the hell are we supposed to tell the difference between a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with a gun? I can’t tell the difference and I certainly can’t explain the difference to a child.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Another Scott: Not to be *too* much of an asshole here, I hope, but if you buy property abutting a waterway called Little Hunting Creek, maybe you shouldn’t be shocked about people using it for hunting.

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    Wapiti says:

    @Waldo: We’re just kids
    but we aren’t dumb
    the NRA is
    fucking scum

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    MomSense says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    What an ordeal this has been for you both. I hope they can treat the pain but also figure out how to stop it. Keeping you both in my thoughts.

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    Gex says:

    If Sanders won the nomination in 2016 despite super delegates but needed the super delegates to fend off a challenger in 2016 you KNOW he’d suddenly be all for the old “corrupt” system.

    I just can’t take seriously the procedural change suggestions by a guy who argued that the south going early was unfair, but had no problem with that grouping when late sweeps were said to indicate he should be the candidate. He both wants to complain about the early clustering of the black vote and benefit from it. People who think the rules should always favor them should not get to write the rules.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @burnspbesq: That’s such a simplistic way of looking at it. Superdelegates have been an issue in 2008 and before. Wilmer doesn’t get to own this issue, just like he doesn’t own raising the minimum wage or making college affordable.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Another Scott:

    Yup. And, of course, hunter is certainly clueless as to why people might object to his firing a shotgun a few hundred feet from their backdoors. The rights and fee-fees of gun nuts must never, ever be questioned.

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    chris says:

    @LAO:

    abolish open carry

    Yes, this! Concealed carry while you’re at it, please. I have to go to Maine in a couple of weeks so if you could do it by then that’d be great.

    In all seriousness I have no idea how you change the culture. I believe “the kids will win” as David Hogg says but it will take generations. In the meantime “draconian” gun laws would be a good start.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @ellie: Condolences on the loss of your sweet kitty. But I just gotta ask where the name 2% came from? Definitely a unique moniker.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Gex: If Sanders won the nomination in 2016 despite super delegates but needed the super delegates to fend off a challenger in 2016 you KNOW he’d suddenly be all for the old “corrupt” system.

    ,
    Amen. I’m ambivalent about super delegates. I’d much rather hear how they’re going to reform the nomination process and/or calendar to make the absurdly unrepresentative states of Iowa and NH less important. It’s not an easy fix– more diverse states tend to be more expensive– but it’s a much more important question to me than placating the shouty old man. Rotating calendars? Regional nominating conventions with tiered national voting? On-line voting? Vote by mail? That’s off the top of my head, but the system we have is nuts

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    BretH says:

    i think a lot on the mindset of someone carrying in public. They should be absolutely alert at all times, scanning for threats of someone wanting to take their weapon, or cases where they might be compelled to use it.

    I know that it is the extremely rare carrier that has this level of awareness and that’s scary. For the few who do, I also wonder what the cumulative impact of that burden has on their psyche.

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    Baud says:

    Agree.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @The Moar You Know: Yup, in context that line was 100% correct.

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    chris says:

    @Steve in the ATL: So sorry for both of you. Get well soon, Mrs. Steve!

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    Another Scott says:

    @Gin & Tonic: The people buying homes there didn’t name it!!1 ;-)

    Interestingly, it was named sometime before 1674.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    J R in WV says:

    @RedDirtGirl:

    … She was a good kitty!

    I’m sure she was the best kitty! We all know how hard that can be, and I hope you otherwise have a nice day so you can recover without any added stress.

    Sorry for your loss, Best wishes!!

    And all B-J threads have room for pet updates.

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    nonynony says:

    @Another Scott: Jesus. What a bunch of idiocy all wrapped up in a tight package.

    Did it ever get resolved? I assume that since this was a suburban neighborhood development the problem got taken care of.

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    Domestic short hair tabby (fka vheidi) says:

    @RedDirtGirl: so sorry to hear this

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    HRA says:

    @burnspbesq:

    “Why is Perez giving in to Wilmer?

    Most likely trying to reset the flak he received by endorsing Andrew Cuomo at the NYS Democrat convention recently.

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    Dave says:

    @BretH: For the vast majority incredibly detrimental
    It’s not healthy and it catches up with you.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    battlefield weapon

    THIS is the phrase we should be using. “What do you need battlefield weapons for?”

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    You guys are the best group of jackals a girl could ask for! Heartfelt thanks to all of you for your words and thoughts! And my thoughts go to you, ellie, as well.

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    gene108 says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    I respectfully disagree – I’m with Perez on this one. I’d be happy with getting rid of caucuses too, but that’s a separate issue. You’re right that both distort democracy. I think this is a step in the right direction.

    The DNC can’t order Iowa to change to a primary system for Democratic nominees. The DNC just isn’t that powerful. I don’t know how people decided it was the “king maker” behind the scenes in 2016.

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    gene108 says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    Superdelegates have been an issue in 2008 and before.

    Obama only beat Clinton because of Superdelegates. They were the main difference that allowed him to secure the nomination.

    But Hillary didn’t complain about it.

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    Another Scott says:

    @nonynony: I can’t find anything specific about it in the Virginia Code, but perhaps I haven’t checked closely enough. Or maybe that site doesn’t have the relevant regulations. Dunno. I haven’t heard anything about duck hunting on the creek recently though.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    I have a tiny bit of sympathy for the hunter — it sounds like he may not have known how close his blind would be to people’s houses. And since state law freakin’ requires him to use the blind for hunting or be fined, he’s kinda screwed.

    It sounds like the local fish and game wardens are working to find him a new space so they don’t have to fine him for not hunting outside peoples’ backdoors.

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    rikyrah says:

    This year in collaboration with the “Watching Oprah: The Oprah Winfrey Show and American Culture” exhibition, we are launching our women’s initiative as a summit meeting.

    Follow our Instagram Stories & Snapchat (@nmaahc) for BTS moments! #E3Summit #WatchingOprah pic.twitter.com/7CHwsl0EPd

    — Smithsonian NMAAHC (@NMAAHC) June 7, 2018

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mary G:

    In my dreams she could talk and was very sarcastic and rude.

    A cat? No! Am sure you all feel the same way, but we decided that if our pets could speak: our dogs would never shut up, and our cats would have perfect grammar, but would deign not to speak to us.

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    The Lodger says:

    @Leto: I had to go back and check G&T’s comment before I realized you were talking about wildlife.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: @Villago Delenda Est:

    The DeVos bitch insists that they won’t talk about firearms at this big school safety conference.

    I thought that couldn’t possibly be true, but you are dead right:

    Education Secretary Betsy DeVos told a Senate committee on Tuesday that the federal commission on school safety set up this year after the Parkland, Fla., school massacre will not focus on the role guns play in school violence…

    “That’s not part of the commission’s charge, per se,” Ms. DeVos said in response to a question from Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, about whether the commission would look at the role of firearms in the gun violence that has plagued the nation’s schools.

    So we’ll look at gun violence in schools, but not look at guns? An interesting concept,” Mr. Leahy said in response.

    A classic example of wanting to be seen to be addressing a problem without actually doing anything.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @gene108: That’s not how I remember it going down, but no time for research right now. But regardless of the results it may have produced, it’s an unfair process.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: @Villago Delenda Est:

    The DeVos bitch insists that they won’t talk about firearms at this big school safety conference.

    I thought that couldn’t possibly be true, but you are dead right:

    Education Secretary Betsy DeVos told a Senate committee on Tuesday that the federal commission on school safety set up this year after the Parkland, Fla., school massacre will not focus on the role guns play in school violence…

    “That’s not part of the commission’s charge, per se,” Ms. DeVos said in response to a question from Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, about whether the commission would look at the role of firearms in the gun violence that has plagued the nation’s schools.

    So we’ll look at gun violence in schools, but not look at guns? An interesting concept,” Mr. Leahy said in response.

    A classic example of wanting to be seen to be addressing a problem without actually doing anything.

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    Jeffro says:

    Let’s take a break from super delegates for a moment and consider the difference in how Republicans and Democrats perceive (and deal with) “in” groups and “out” groups. (Terrible choice of titles btw NYT – this is much bigger than Trumpov)

    This will sound familiar to folks who’ve read some Haidt:

    …Racial and religious animosity has been on display throughout American history, but it has rarely lined up so neatly along partisan lines. Gradually, the Republican Party has come to be associated with white, Christian, conservative, rural and male identity. Conversely, the Democratic Party is now more clearly the party of nonwhite, non-Christian, liberal, urban and female (or feminist) identity. I call this “social sorting,” or the development of “mega-partisan” identities.

    Now, in each election, we are no longer fighting only for party victory. We are also fighting for the victory of the racial, religious, geographical and gender-based groups that win or lose with the party. Every election is a fight for larger portions of our self-concept — leading to an ever more desperate need for victory. Not only are victories more exciting, but losses are much more painful. It’s as if the outcome of the Super Bowl also determined the fate of our favorite basketball, hockey and baseball teams.

    That’s true – we are feeling more ‘all in’ than ever before. I think that’s fair to say about (ack) both sides.

    Continuing:

    …All humans are equally vulnerable to this type of thinking, but there is more evidence of it now among Republicans than Democrats. Social psychology explains why. Democrats are associated with a wider range of social groups than are Republicans. This means that Democrats, who have a larger number of crosscutting identities within the party, are generally more accustomed to working with racial and religious out-group members under the larger party umbrella. Republicans, on the other hand, don’t often find such out-group members within the party. For Republicans, then, party victory is more tightly bound with racial and religious victory.

    Kinda hard to argue with any of that.

    So, as a possible counter to all of this…

    …Demographic change will almost certainly cause a party of mainly white Christians to lose electoral power. But this will take decades and could provoke an enduring backlash among those with strong ties to white ethnic identity.

    Alternatively, elected officials could model civil and bipartisan behavior, focused on fruitful policy outcomes, but this will likely endanger them in primaries. It also raises the question of whether there is any policy success that both parties would consider beneficial.

    Ultimately, a politics motivated by cultural, ethnic and religious victory is dangerous. These types of political divides have caused violent conflicts in other nations. But I’m optimistic about the social diversity and policy interests of the younger generations now moving into politics. Once “winning” comes to mean policy victory rather than partisan victory, we’ll know we are on the right track.

    The younger generation is moving to the Democrats, not just because we embrace diversity but also because we offer actual solutions, ideas that will help make people’s lives better. Not giveaways to the rich and large corporations. Not burning more coal or ignoring climate change. Not nursery rhymes explaining how to carry out a school lockdown. Not tariffs and not allowing in security-risk ZTE phones, either.

    In addition to everything else, we need to keep reminding folks that Republicans Rob You, Democrats Deliver.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jerzy Russian:

    I am afraid to ask, but is there also a helpful ditty with instructions on how to bum rush shooters?

    Lockdown Lockdown,
    There’s the shooter looming large,
    Buckle up kiddies, its time to charge.

    /you asked for it.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah:

    “revise and reduce” the role of superdelegates — would create three categories of superdelegates. Some superdelegates would be allowed to vote in the first roll-call vote for the presidential nominee, while others would not.

    JFC, I thought we left the “Whites and Colored” separation shit to the fucking Republicans.

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    lynn says:

    Audio of little kids singing that song with the right visual could be the makings of a great political ad.

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    raven says:

    Our new city council woman took her oath with a power fist and her hand on “The Autobiography of Malcom X”. Guess what the reaction is?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @nonynony:

    If there are real benefits, why doesn’t the NRA use some of their budget to advertise them?

    NRA isn’t about real responsible gun ownership since their internal coup.

    NRA is about selling the fantasy of gun ownership to people who have no fucking business owning a gun.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @raven:

    Guess what the reaction is?

    She was arrested?

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    Rmirth says:

    @Jack the Second: Exactly. We dont want a repeat of Jeremy Corbin here.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Leto:

    Then they can do what they do on my military base here: hire a contractor to eliminate X amount of that population. It can be written into the contract that part of the compensation package is that the contractors can keep remains to process into sausage, ground meat, etc, or whatever they agree is proper disposal.

    Unfortunately those hunters are our best friends when it comes to holding the line on environmental protections.

    A blanket ban is full of unintended consequences. Strange Bedfellows all over the place.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Leto:

    Personally I don’t give two shits if that angers the “I supplement my grocery shopping with two freezers full of venison” crowd. Tough shit.

    Unfortunately they are very active value voters in critical states. So no, we can’t afford to lose them.

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    Peale says:

    @TenguPhule: I know the reason they are getting rid of them is more symbolic than practical. Bernie Supporters were tired of seeing charts after each primary showing how much he was behind, especially after the race was essentially over. They are a bit arcane now, but hardly secretive. That the Bernie supporters didn’t pay attention to them before is on them and Bernie’s poorly run campaign. Making the rules more complicated though will only make them more “mysterious” and therefore sinister. That’s not going to be helpful.

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    raven says:

    @TenguPhule: Ha, not yet but the goobers are having a fucking stroke.

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    germy says:

    @raven: It looks like she did her homework. Impressive amount of detail in her campaign.

    http://www.mariahforathens.org

    I hope she accomplishes a lot.

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    raven says:

    @germy: I don’t know her and I’m not in her district but some very good friends say she is really sharp.

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    trollhattan says:

    Now at a monitor and off the tablet, I can see the alphabet lesson next to the gunfight instructions.

    -A is for apple to throw at the gunman.
    -B is for bat, to bat at the gunman.
    -G is for gameboard pieces, to make the gunman walk on.
    -H is for hat, to behead the gunman (see Oddjob during Friday movie day).
    -N is for the nut who has the gun and the other nut who sold him the gun and the other nut who made the gun that was sold to the nutty gunman.
    -T is for the top the gunman flipped before coming to our school. Also a toy to throw at the gunman.
    -U is for uppercut to the gunman’s chin (see below).
    -Wh is for whistle, which you can use to stop the gunplay if you’re a referee and are wearing a striped shirt.
    -Ch is for the gunman’s chin, on which you use your uppercut (see above).

    Teacher is prepared.

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    laura says:

    @raven: Hopefully the reaction was “Power to the People, Right On”! Because that was my reaction.
    To Reddirtgirl and ellie, I’m so sorry for the loss of your boon companions. Our Timmy, gentle king of Tabbies still ghosts us. We still hear his padding about, or see a wisp of tail just around the corner…it’s a comfort and we and his dog miss him still.

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    r€nato says:

    @LAO: Americans have proven repeatedly that they are not responsible enough to have the right to promiscuous gun ownership.

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    raven says:

    Here’s one of her songs

    LINQUA FRANQA – EIGHT WEEKS

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    germy says:

    Update on cartoonist Rob Rogers being muzzled by the loathsome owner of his newspaper. Trump toadie John Block has rejected the past week of Rogers cartoons that were critical of Mad King Cheeto. In a city where Trump lost by a whopping 75%! https://t.co/3JK2gbMa6Z— Derf Backderf (@DerfBackderf) June 6, 2018

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    TenguPhule says:

    A FEMA meeting was supposed to be about hurricanes. But Trump had a lot more on his mind.

    Audio obtained by The Post reveals the president turned the closed-door discussion into soliloquies on his prowess negotiating airplane deals, his popularity, his unending love of coal, his “great Cabinet,” his planned summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and other topics.

    Via Wapo.

    Quelle Surprise.

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    gbbalto says:

    I see that this tweet has made it onto the AOL.com news page – good!

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    germy says:

    Brutal magazine cover. I wonder if #45’ll frame this one:

    pic.twitter.com/TiXd4T0xnN— darth™ (@darth) June 7, 2018

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @gbbalto:

    A friend of mine who belongs to her local Moms Demand chapter put it on Facebook, so it’s definitely gone viral.

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    If I were a parent I would pull my kids from these schools and keep them out until they passed some goddamned gun safety laws to where my kids would not have to memorize a goddamn nursery rhyme to avoid getting shot and killed.

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    gbbalto says:

    @Mnemosyne: Good to hear that – I don’t do Facebook myself.

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    Kelly says:

    My local gun nut annoyance is the noise of several distantish neighbors shooting on their back acreage. Out here in the countryside it’s completely legal to shoot on your own land but it used to be rare. A few weeks in the fall instead of most weekends and some evenings the way it is now.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    If I were a parent I would pull my kids from these schools and keep them out until they passed some goddamned gun safety laws to where my kids would not have to memorize a goddamn nursery rhyme to avoid getting shot and killed.

    @PaulWartenberg: Which is exactly what the GOP wants. The destruction of the public schools. A lot of their policy decisions that seem to make no sense (guns uber alles) suddenly make a great deal of sense when you see the secondary effects (parents pulling kids out of public schools, police getting more money and more militarized, people afraid to talk to their neighbors, etc)

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    trollhattan says:

    @Kelly:
    Real estate full disclosure rules could be interesting when it comes time to sell. Lead contamination is a thing.

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    Leto says:

    @TenguPhule: which states? Which elections did they swing? How big is this bloc that we need to pander to them? Need actual facts/figures to back your claim up.

    They can still be proactive environmentalists without the firearms. Plenty of people do it.

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    Kelly says:

    I’ve only seen one open carry person around here. A lady in her 20’s carrying a semi auto pistol with lavender grips and wearing snug black “tactical” pants and a brightly patterned t shirt. In our local grocery amongst the produce.

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    Kelly says:

    @trollhattan: If I was shopping for land, lead is something I’d insist on knowing about.

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    Leto says:

    @Kelly: You never know when broccoli will get unruly and you’ll be called upon to stop the uprising. Be vigilant, citizen!

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    Brinkley Paiste says:

    @TenguPhule: indeed. Without hunters and their groups, such as Ducks Unlimited, there would be a fraction of the remaining wetlands in this country.

    I am out on the SC barrier islands now and just returned from Hunting Island which, as the name suggests, was preserved by hunters until it became a state park.

    People who don’t realize the tremendous benefits hunters and conservationists confer are profoundly ignorant people.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Leto: Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri. All states with rather dedicated hunters.

    Also, Texas, Kansas, Georgia…but those are red states. Still, doesn’t help us.

    They can still be proactive environmentalists without the firearms. Plenty of people do it.

    These people like hunting and fishing. Its why they back our side when it comes to environmental protection. They’re a useful wedge when it comes to splintering GOP power bases.

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    germy says:

    Levi Sanders, son of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), announced his Senate candidacy in New Hampshire in February — but his father still hasn’t endorsed him.

    The Boston Globe reported Thursday that in spite of the elder Sanders’ statement saying he is “very proud” of his son and his candidacy, many in the district Levi is running believe the senator isn’t endorsing his son because he’s running an “inept” campaign.

    “His limited personal experience as a politician includes a bid for Claremont City Council about eight years ago,” the report noted, “which he lost with a seventh place finish in a field of nine.”

    “Nobody I know is really considering Levi as an option,” Burt Cohen, a former state senator that endorsed the elder Sanders but is backing one of his son’s opponents, told the Globe. “No, it’s actually worse than that: I don’t hear anyone even bringing up his name. People aren’t sure why he is running. If Levi thought he could just transfer the enthusiasm from his father to himself, well he is learning that is just not happening at all.”

    “It is just silly what he is doing,” he continued. “The way to sum up how people feel about the campaign is the eyerolls you get when his name does, infrequently, come up.”

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    Leto says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Missouri. All states with rather dedicated hunters.

    Also, Texas, Kansas, Georgia…but those are red states. Still, doesn’t help us.

    You basically listed all red states, barring Illinois. Every state has their dedicated hunters. You might as well have listed all 50. Are these the same people I grew up with, still know, who are pretty much solid/reliable Republican voters, but will break on limited issues like this? Yes. Are they going to be persuaded to join team D? No. Fuck’em. They had their chance to help change the narrative and they sided team gun. Fuck’em.

    These people like hunting and fishing. Its why they back our side when it comes to environmental protection. They’re a useful wedge when it comes to splintering GOP power bases.

    Again, provide evidence that they’ve splinted the GOP power bases in the above mentioned states. That’s great they like hunting and fishing. Fish all you want. Hunting can still be further regulated like I outlined above, like what’s happening now on federal land. Worried about unintended consequences? Research it. Make limited exceptions (bear country and the like). Make necessary corrections after implementation. You can still be an environmentalist without the firearm. If they can’t deal with that, fuck’em.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Brinkley Paiste:
    Hunters as a collective group are nothing like the hunters of fifty years ago, for better and mostly for worse. I’ll leave the coda to TBogg.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @burnspbesq:
    I don’t know. It was the Republicans who made gitmo into the horror show it is, and it was the Republicans who demagogue the issue to the point where Democrats wouldn’t go along with closing it. As much as I wanted it shut down during the Obama era, at the moment I have quite a long list of Republican traitors who I want to grow old and die in a 10 x 10 chain link cell.

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    Spanky says:

    Mother Nature has plans for hunters who eat their kill.

    Bites from certain ticks, such as the lone star tick in the US, which can transfer this carbohydrate to the victim have been implicated in the development of this delayed allergic response which is triggered by the consumption of mammalian meat products.[4]

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    Leto says:

    @trollhattan: This here; I grew up in SC, not too far away from Hunting Island. Had a good number of friends/relatives who were/are hunters, so I understand the culture. Most of them support the conservation of land only so far as it allows them to hunt/fish. They’re not really concerned about the greater ecosystem as a whole, as long as they’re allowed to keep fishing/hunting. They view conservation through that lens. It’s helpful to us in that extremely narrow view/issue, but they’re still solid/reliable R voters.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @germy:

    People aren’t sure why he is running.

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say “so gullible idiots will send him money.”

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @TenguPhule: I continue to be amazed that he’s so godawful at _the business part_. It’s not that hard to run a work meeting. It was the key point of A TV SHOW HE STARRED IN. Nevertheless, he has no idea how to do it. He has no skills, of any kind, at anything.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Leto:
    Yup, sounds similar to the other coast. We have those who can afford their private duck clubs and then there are those who pour into the mountains each fall and that’s a reality unto itself. I’ve stopped hiking and camping in the fall, and miss it.

    Looked up the California numbers and will bookend it thus: 1970 total license sales was 763,671 of a total population of 20 million. 2017 total license sales was 273,794 with 2x that population.

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    bystander says:

    I wonder if anyone has the rights to “Annie, Fuck Your Guns”.

    Did everyone catch Meeka saying that the rumor is that twitler hates that he cannot watch porn in the WH? This explains the constant trips to Mal de Mar. It ain’t gripping his golf clubs that he misses.

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    germy says:

    @bystander:

    Did everyone catch Meeka saying that the rumor is that twitler hates that he cannot watch porn in the WH?

    He behaves the way most racists would think a black president would behave.

    I’ve noticed that among racists. They embody the traits they project (falsely) onto minorities.

    For example, years ago I lived across the street from a white guy (republican candidate yard signs every election season) who had loud parties in his back yard, yelling screaming, loud music into the night. He had a large dog he didn’t bother training. His property was full of garbage.

    He behaved the way most racist whites would fear a black guy moving into their neighborhood would behave.

    #45, with his extramarital affairs, impulsivity, shady deals, ignorance, gaffes is what racists thought they were getting with Obama.

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    Brinkley Paiste says:

    @trollhattan: Nobody is like they they were 50 years ago. Then unions were a solid D vote, not because they gave a shit about women or the negroes, but because Ds promoted their interests

    You take your allies where you find them

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    Brinkley Paiste says:

    @trollhattan: and California wildlife programs operated by the state are funded by license sales and other fees and they are suffering greatly.

    The non-hunting environmentalists have NOT stepped up to fill the gap.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Brinkley Paiste:
    Think you’re overestimating the value and utility of this cohort so here’s a pop quiz to help sift through the list:
    “Do you support banning led ammunition?”
    “Do you support keeping wilderness areas intact and free of motorized transportation?”

    If yes to both–an ally.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Someone needs to ask the president of the NRA how happy he feels that his major life accomplishment is making children cower. I am sure the answer would be BS, but might lead to some sleepless nights.

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    gbbalto says:

    The tweet is on CNN – they talked to the poster and her husband

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    trollhattan says:

    @Brinkley Paiste:
    2017 hunting license fees total: $25.9M
    2017 sport fishing license fee total: $65.2M
    CDFW 2017-18 budget: $600M ($610 proposed for this year)

    Beginning to think you’ve not done your homework.

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    Ruckus says:

    @LAO:
    I didn’t have that horrific experience, and I’d still take everyone’s guns away.

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    No One of Consequence says:

    My 0.02 that no one asked for. And I have been pied by some here for an un-tagged gun snark post.

    Guns are bad.
    No one should have a remote control for someone else’s life.
    Hunters will bitch a bit, but many/most/all of them could deal with being limited to shotguns and muzzle-loaded rifles. I am probably not even willing to allow rifles at this point. Perhaps limited to 5 or 6 round capacities.
    2nd amendment arguments as regarding defense against tyranny haven’t been operable since the army received it’s first gatling gun. Those that posit this defense do not have an appreciation for what two squads of US Marines and an APC can do.
    It’s either that or limit the technology allowed to late 1700’s weapons tech: flintlock rifles.
    Massive federal firearm buyback program. Prices equivalent to going rates for bulk metals.
    Massive penalties for having a firearm after a certain calendar date.
    Committing a violent crime with a gun, minimum of 25 years no parole.
    We have got to stop this madness. We can, but it will take more than we have shown to this point. It is an allegory of our Government too. If we can regain our collective senses about firearms, then maybe we can do the same with our politics.
    If not, we need to consider a amicable civil war 2, and we can be the United States of Canada, and they can be JesusLand…
    The level of stress, aggression, rage and bull$hit is boiling over. Something’s gotta give.

    Peace,

    – NOoC

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    trollhattan says:

    @No One of Consequence:
    You jib, I like its cut.

    I’d be okay with off-premise storage of, say, skeet and target guns with checkin-checkout protocols. But that’s nibbling at the edges.

    In the meantime we reelected our wingnut Trump-loving sheriff who’s papered the (blue, i’m told) county with concealed carry permits now totalling thousands where there were once a couple hundred. It’s a sickness.

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