OMFG (Open Thread)

How dumb and embarrassing is Trump? Via CNN:

President Donald Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had a testy phone call on May 25 over new tariffs imposed by the Trump administration targeting steel and aluminum imports coming from Canada, including one moment during the conversation in which Trump made an erroneous historical reference, sources familiar with the discussion told CNN.

According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a “national security” issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” referring to the War of 1812.

The problem with Trump’s comments to Trudeau is that British troops burned down the White House during the War of 1812. Historians note the British attack on Washington was in retaliation for the American attack on York, Ontario, in territory that eventually became Canada, which was then a British colony.

I don’t think we’ll ever recover from the shame of allowing this idiot to be installed in the White House. And his strategy for the upcoming G-7 summit in Canada is to go full ignorant Fox News rage grandpa. WaPo:

President Trump plans to confront other world leaders at a summit in Quebec on Friday over what he believes is a global economic system tilted against the United States, several people briefed on the plan said, escalating tensions with U.S. allies who have expressed outrage at his pivot toward protectionism.

Let’s see, he could scold summit host Canada again for burning down the White House, denounce Italy for inflicting sushi on the world, upbraid France for flooding the US market with affordable cars, censure Germany for bombing Pearl Harbor, criticize Japan for the Holocaust and attack the United Kingdom for stealing America’s native tongue.

Open thread!

167 replies
  1. 1
    Corner Stone says:

    President Trump plans to confront other world leaders at a summit in Quebec on Friday over what he believes is a global economic system tilted against the United States

    Ragey Rantin Grandpa is going to be lit!

  2. 2
    Corner Stone says:

    I wonder if they can put him in a room with toddler toys, and go about conducting business without him trying to push people out of the way so he can mug for the cameras?
    He’ll have that stupid, childish, blatantly defensive arms crossed pose thing going the whole time. I know they can’t, but I just wish these leaders would go on record like that mom from Texas did when she said talking to Trump was like “talking to a toddler”. This has to be said, and repeated.

  3. 3
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    looks like something might be brewing…

    -@ realDonaldTrump
    The Fake News Media has been so unfair, and vicious, to my wife and our great First Lady, Melania. During her recovery from surgery they reported everything from near death, to facelift, to left the W.H. (and me) for N.Y. or Virginia, to abuse. All Fake, she is doing really well!
    – Josh Dawsey @ jdawsey1
    I obviously missed some stories!
    – Mara Liasson Retweeted Josh Dawsey
    Just wait

    FoxNews Liaison says “just wait”? Intriguing. Maybe it’s the Ivanka thing.

  4. 4
    JPL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ivanka’s the first lady?
    Maggie teased that a story was written, but that was morning, and nothing yet.

    Trump knows more history than all of us, and he could write books on history.

  5. 5
    Shell says:

    Even Double FacePalm isn’t enough anymore.

  6. 6
    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Media has been so unfair, and vicious, to my wife

    What happened? Did the Media have sex with a porn star weeks after Melania gave birth and then they were forced to pay her hush money? Or did the media have to pay a $1.6M settlement to a different woman for an alleged termination of a pregnancy?

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    MattF says:

    There’s this concept that ‘history’ is a narrative of events that actually happened. Trump can’t be expected to understand that.

  8. 8
    TenguPhule says:

    In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” referring to the War of 1812.

    Its official. We’re all dead and this is hell.

  9. 9
    Jim Parish says:

    In fairness, Canadians of my acquaintance do, occasionally, boast of having been the ones who burned the White House. (This is usually in playful response to some expression of USAn exceptionalism.)

  10. 10
    rikyrah says:

    THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O’DONNELL 6/5/18
    United Nations: U.S. is violating human rights
    As the President was lip-synching the National Anthem at an event supposedly about the National Anthem and football, the United Nations asserted that US is violating human rights by separating children from parents at the border. Maria Teresa Kumar joins Lawrence.

  11. 11
    Odin says:

    @TenguPhule: We just to wait for Marty to fix the timeline, obviously.

  12. 12
    ruemara says:

    He will go away. The shame & distrust us electing or allowing him to be elected – that won’t go away for a generation or two. It’s not like the Phillipines. We’re supposed to the example of a good democracy. Flawed but participatory and moving towards good. This is the most deserved L possible. Barring what happens to traitors.

    Eternal rant re: BJ – The video ads need to go. They autoplay, you can’t turn some of them off and it took 4 minutes for the page to stop loading.

  13. 13
    HRA says:

    Yes, Trump is that stupid. Either yesterday or the day before I read where he discussed the Constitution with Putin and said the Russian constitution is better.

  14. 14
    TenguPhule says:

    White House is fighting a plan to fund veterans health-care bill even as Trump signs it into law

    The VA Mission Act authorizes new health-care programs for veterans, but the bill does not reserve federal money to pay for those programs. Behind the scenes, the White House is encouraging lawmakers to back off a plan to fund the $50 billion veterans health law.

    Our Veterans are so fucked.

  15. 15
    The Dangerman says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I wonder if they can put him in a room with toddler sex toys, and go about conducting business without him trying to push people out of the way so he can mug for the cameras?

    FTFY. We want him maximally distracted.

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    rikyrah says:

    During the campaign, Ivanka Trump connected Michael Cohen with a Russian athlete who offered to introduce Trump to Putin to facilitate a Trump Tower Moscow, according to emails reviewed by BuzzFeed News and four sources. https://t.co/n81Sq1coxH

    — Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 6, 2018

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    David Evans says:

    and attack the United Kingdom for stealing America’s native tongue.

    He would find some takers for that. Everyone knows that the Brits talk funny.

  18. 18
    Stan says:

    Dear Canada: Please burn the white house again. or for the first time. Just do it ;)

  19. 19
    gene108 says:

    Finally, a President who gets it!!!!! What need is revenge for our loss in the War of 1812!!!! A long festering sore on the soul of America finally being lanced!!!!

    God Bless Donald Trump!!!!

    And if God Bless Donald Trump were a song, he might actually learn the words to it.

  20. 20
    Elizabelle says:

    With all due respect, you should save OMFG for something serious. This one is just: illiterate man with no interest in history being illiterate man.

    Have no idea what he’s wailing about WRT Melania. And I think it would be awful to pardon the Malheur Snack Team Six jackasses, because it does open a war with federal lands management in the west. Although: it could be a good election issue for Democrats, who support public parks and lands and are — maybe — less likely to be deadbeat ranchers. Who knows?

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    sdhays says:

    @ruemara: I saw a post from John yesterday saying to email him about video ads.

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    Brachiator says:

    According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a “national security” issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” referring to the War of 1812.

    Listen. Trump knows how to hold a grudge! Just because it’s stupid and historically incorrect is…well. OK. Dumb as fuck.

    Fox News will blame Trudeau for being Canadian and making Trump look stupid again.

  23. 23
    TenguPhule says:

    @Stan:

    Dear Canada: Please burn the white house again. or for the first time.

    Please make sure Trump, his family, his political appointees, his nominated judges, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are all boarded up inside first. Much Obliged, Canada.

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    @gene108: I thought he is God, so doesn’t need any blessings of a so called God.

  25. 25
    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle:

    With all due respect, you should save OMFG for something serious.

    When its serious it will be “Jesus Wept.”

  26. 26
    Ridnik Chrome says:

    President John Blutarsky.

  27. 27
    JPL says:

    Trump hires only the best people

    Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s attorney in the Russia investigation, says Kim Jong Un “got back on his hands and knees and begged for” the resumption of the US-North Korea summit, “which is exactly the position you want to put him in.”Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s attorney in the Russia investigation, says Kim Jong Un “got back on his hands and knees and begged for” the resumption of the US-North Korea summit, “which is exactly the position you want to put him in.”

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1004412724439343105

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    LAO says:

    While I understand that the number of people self-identifying as Republican is shrinking, how in the hell does Trump have an 89% approval rating among republicans?

    (I’m quite sure a number of you will chime in with the answer “racism”, so perhaps its a rhetorical question.)

    Trump’s job approval is 40% 👍 to 51% 👎 in a new @QuinnipiacPoll.GOP approval is 86% to 9%.Dem approval is 5% to 90%. pic.twitter.com/jtqN9ddYBV— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) June 6, 2018

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    Jeffro says:

    @Stan:

    Dear Canada: Please burn the white house again. or for the first time. Just do it ;)

    I see TP at #23 beat me to it. The rest of y’all are thinking it too, admit it.

    Still outraged that Don Jr hasn’t already been indicted, tried, convicted, and met his maker for the crime of soliciting aid from a hostile foreign power against his own country. Jared too.

  30. 30
    Corner Stone says:

    @JPL: It’s almost as if…Rudy is a complete blithering moron…or the admin really is trying to sink this Summit….or both.

  31. 31
    Brachiator says:

    @gene108:

    Finally, a President who gets it!!!!! What need is revenge for our loss in the War of 1812!!!!

    It’s funny how many people think we won this war.

  32. 32
    TenguPhule says:

    @JPL: Oh sure, taunt the dictator who has a history of using chemical weapons to assassinate people he doesn’t like. What could possibly go wrong?

  33. 33
    NobodySpecial says:

    Stephen Nix just got done testifying in front of the Brits today about the Cambridge Analytica story. He claims they did nothing wrong and that ebil liberals and the Guardian and the whistleblower were all to blame for wrecking his business. Also, he changed a bunch of stories from the LAST time he sat in front of the Brits.

    Lying pustules. Hopefully they stick him under the Tower.

  34. 34

    @LAO: People who still identify as Rs love T. I bet the # of people who approve of him has actually gone down. I wonder how many people does that 89% represent. As in 89% of what #? A large percentage of a small number is still a small number.

  35. 35
    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    It’s almost as if…Rudy is a complete blithering moron…or the admin really is trying to sink this Summit….or both.

    What do you mean if?

  36. 36
    Steeplejack says:

    @Corner Stone:

    [. . .] conducting business without him trying to push people out of the way so he can mug for the cameras?

    Goddamn, almost every day I am reminded of something that would have been a defining gaffe/​scandal in any other administration but in Trump world it’s not even “Oh, that was last week/​last month,” it’s “I completely forgot about that.”

  37. 37
    Doug R says:

    On sale at Costco in Canada this week: Automatic Dishwasher Detergent, Coffee and Mayonnaise-ALL on Trudeau’s tariff list.
    Canadian prepping.
    Here’s the list, eh:
    https://www.fin.gc.ca/activty/consult/cacsap-cmpcaa-eng.asp

  38. 38
    TenguPhule says:

    @Jeffro:

    Still outraged that Don Jr hasn’t already been indicted, tried, convicted, and met his maker for the crime of soliciting aid from a hostile foreign power against his own country. Jared too.

    I’m torn between having the American justice system do its work or just handing them over to the Russians at this point.

  39. 39
    boatboy_srq says:

    @Corner Stone: And what adult would they put in the US’ seat in his place? There’s none in the entire maladministration not somehow fascist or Dominionist or otherwise unfit to play placeholder.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Doug R: Mexico already kicked off their tariffs, I expect Canada’s to be implemented soon.

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    MattF says:

    @JPL:@Corner Stone: One supposes that this is what Rudolf ‘Genius Diplomat’ Giuliani is telling Trump. Or, possibly, Rudy is offering hints to the Koreans about how to get what you want from Trump.

  42. 42
    TenguPhule says:

    @Steeplejack: It was only a year ago. It feels like ten.

  43. 43
    sdhays says:

    @JPL: So, first it was Bolton shooting his mouth off that derailed the summit, now Ghouliani’s giving it a try?

    ETA: And why is the Preznit’s “personal lawyer” discussing North Korea? (rhetorical question)

  44. 44
    dexwood says:

    @Jeffro:
    Actually, I was thinking please, Canada, lock him up for crimes against humanity while you have an opportunity.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Jeffro: Still outraged that Don Jr hasn’t already been indicted, tried, convicted, and met his maker for the crime of soliciting aid from a hostile foreign power against his own country. Jared too.

    gonna take a stab at amateur lawyering and guess Meuller is making that case as bullet-proof as possible, which he would do even if it were a normal pol’s immediate family member, a senator or governor.

  46. 46
    boatboy_srq says:

    @TenguPhule: Ignoring for the moment how thoroughly any country that would take these cretins in would be fvcked as a result, wouldn’t Russia actually treat them comparatively well?

  47. 47
    TenguPhule says:

    Finally some good news!

    The California judge in the Stanford sexual assault case has been recalled from office by local voters, an extremely rare outcome in the US court system and a major victory for activists who waged a two-year campaign against the official.

    ……

    Persky, who recently said he had no regrets about the case, is the first judge to be recalled by US voters since 1977, and the first in California since 1932. Two women ran to replace Persky, and Cindy Hendrickson, a Stanford graduate herself as well as a local prosecutor with a strong record of prosecuting sex crimes, was declared the winner. She was a vocal supporter of the campaign to recall Persky.

  48. 48
    Joyce H says:

    I think Trump is calling these tariffs a national security issue because he has to in order to be able to do it without Congress buying in. And of course Congress isn’t going to buy in because they know they’re stupid and counterproductive. So he has to come up with some lame-ass rationalization for why these tariffs are national security issues.

    Justin Trudeau says that the Americans are not their enemies. Instead of imposing reciprocal tariffs, the Canadian government should impose sanctions on the Trump Organization. That’s what we do to Russian oligarchs when we want to hit the Russian government in a way they’ll notice. So do it, Canada, sanction the American oligarch.

  49. 49
    Mnemosyne says:

    Some small good news on a personal front: everyone’s good wishes worked, and I’ll only need one knee surgery to repair my ACL. Yay!

    Bad news is, they have no idea when it can be scheduled. First we have to wait 3-4 weeks for my insurance company to approve it, and then the surgeon only does a few ACL revision surgeries a month because it’s more time-consuming than regular surgery. So, more waiting.

  50. 50
    TenguPhule says:

    @boatboy_srq: Russia’s retirement plan is a real killer.

  51. 51
    LAO says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I agree, the number of people identifying as Republicans has shrunk, but I haven’t seen an estimate of how many there are currently.

  52. 52
    JPL says:

    @Doug R: Fun times!
    I thought Trump would bow out of the G-7, but it appears that he decided to go and embarrass once again.

  53. 53
    boatboy_srq says:

    @NobodySpecial: There’s an accessible oubliette at Pevensey Castle (yes, “where?” is right, and exactly the point). They can drop Nix there and let him whine for scraps from tourists.

  54. 54
    eemom says:

    Since it’s an open thread, I will take this opportunity to thank you for always posting insightful, brilliantly written and ORIGINAL commentary that is a delight to read regardless of how godawful the subject is.

    It’s particularly refreshing in these days of endless and increasingly incomprehensible strings of tweets posted by FP folks who have been pirating the work of others on this blog since long before twitter was a thing. But at least you could READ the fucking posts back then. Maybe that’s why the site gets fucked all the time.

  55. 55
    TenguPhule says:

    @Joyce H:

    Instead of imposing reciprocal tariffs, the Canadian government should impose sanctions on the Trump Organization.

    Trump is the symptom. American Republicans are the disease. Beatings must commence.

  56. 56
    Gemina13 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Check out Joe Scarborough’s response to this tweet. I can still smell the tanner burning.

  57. 57
    Just One More Canuck says:

    According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a “national security” issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” referring to the War of 1812.

    But what about the Fenian Raids?

  58. 58
    Steeplejack says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Don’t know the source (thanks for no link!), but I read somewhere that the programs are not very good because they are advancing the “privatize the V.A.” drive.

  59. 59
    Betty Cracker says:

    @Elizabelle: When the apocalypse comes, I promise not to use “Open Thread” in the title.

  60. 60
    TenguPhule says:

    EU to impose tariffs on US imports from July

    Mexico, Canada, EU, China. That only leaves Japan and South Korea as the last countries that haven’t started tariff actions against us in retaliation yet.

    The EU will impose tariffs on US imports ranging from Harley-Davidson motorbikes to jeans from next month in retaliation over Donald Trump’s decision to put duties on European aluminium and steel.

    Despite the apparent reluctance of the UK’s international trade secretary, Liam Fox, to publicly back the EU’s proposed “tit for tat” measures, the European commission said it had the full support of all 28 member states to act.

    The EU is finalising the list it will submit to the World Trade Organization (WTO) but the bloc aims to introduce “rebalancing” tariffs on about €2.8bn (£2.5bn) worth of US steel as well as industrial and agricultural products, including bourbon, peanut butter, cranberries and orange juice.

  61. 61
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JPL: And there goes the summit…

  62. 62
    Doug R says:

    @Jim Parish:

    In fairness, Canadians of my acquaintance do, occasionally, boast of having been the ones who burned the White House. (This is usually in playful response to some expression of USAn exceptionalism.)

    Since they were British troops stationed in what would become Canada, I only consider trump half wrong which is half as wrong as usual.

  63. 63
    Corner Stone says:

    @boatboy_srq: I hear Betsy DeVos has some time after skipping her own meetings on school safety reforms.

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    Joyce H says:

    @sdhays:

    So, first it was Bolton shooting his mouth off that derailed the summit, now Ghouliani’s giving it a try?

    I knooow! Kim almost HAS to cancel the summit now, just to prove that assertion wrong. And the thing is, I think Trump really wants this summit, this isn’t a plan by the administration to derail the thing. Giuliani just can’t help saying stupid things that blow up in his face.

  65. 65
    TenguPhule says:

    @Steeplejack: Wapo breaking headline.

  66. 66
    jl says:

    Machias Seal Island or Die!

    List of areas disputed by Canada and the United States
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_disputed_by_Canada_and_the_United_States

    We also got a raw deal in the War of Jenkins’ Ear, and need to do something about Spain!

  67. 67
    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I hear Betsy DeVos has some time after skipping her own meetings on school safety reforms.

    I’d rather the empty stool negotiate on our behalf.

  68. 68
    BoDiddleySquat says:

    @ruemara:

    Eternal rant re: BJ – The video ads need to go. They autoplay, you can’t turn some of them off and it took 4 minutes for the page to stop loading.

    Hear! Hear! Harumph!

    Those ads drive me crazy.

  69. 69
    Corner Stone says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    When the apocalypse comes, I promise not to use “Open Thread” in the title.

    I’ve got money I’ll put down on it being titled, “Anyhoo…”

  70. 70
    James Powell says:

    @LAO:

    how in the hell does Trump have an 89% approval rating among republicans?

    Because if whatever he does pisses off or insults the people they hate, then they are in favor of it. They have no other gauge by which to judge political events.

  71. 71
    JPL says:

    This is not surprising, but it is wrong.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Members of a group of outside experts required by law to meet twice a year with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau said Wednesday that the group has been dissolved by CFPB head Mick Mulvaney.
    Bureau officials told the 25 members of the Consumer Advisory Board on Wednesday morning that they will be replaced and the board will be reconstituted, according to two of board members who were on a morning conference call. An email on behalf of Mulvaney was also sent to board members telling them that their services were no longer required.
    “Everyone on the board has been fired,” said Judith Fox, a professor at Notre Dame Law School who sat on the board for three years.
    The advisory board, under the Obama administration, acted as a group of experts CFPB officials could talk with about coming trends or proposed regulation. It is basically the only group of outside experts that the CFPB director is required to interact with by law.

    https://www.apnews.com/c12e629d738842cfb654902a1e105cb6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

  72. 72
    david says:

    They been holding a grudge against “the North” for 150+ years, why not hold a grudge against Canada for 200 years?

  73. 73
    BoDiddleySquat says:

    @Brachiator:

    It’s funny how many people think we won this war.

    Heck, the British don’t even consider it a war.

  74. 74
    Steeplejack says:

    @LAO:

    These polls really need to start showing some hard numbers for comparison, e.g., “Trump’s approval is 89% among GOP voters—but the number of self-identified GOP voters has shrunk by [number/​percentage] since the last poll.”

  75. 75
    TenguPhule says:

    Muslim groups will be absent as Donald Trump hosts Iftar dinner

    Last year, Trump broke with decades of precedent by forgoing the annual Iftar dinner – a bipartisan tradition that formally began with Bill Clinton in the 1990s but has conceptual roots tracing as far back as under Thomas Jefferson in 1805.

    When the White House confirmed earlier this week that Trump would, in fact, throw the event this year, most Muslim civic organizations were caught off guard. The White House declined to provide a list of attendees when reached by the Guardian, although the press secretary, Sarah Sanders, said roughly 30 to 40 guests were expected.

    Muslim leaders and advocates who had typically been on the guest list in years past said they were not invited and only learned of Trump’s plans to hold the dinner through press reports.

    I’m just gonna take a wild guess but I think the guests are going to be white and bible humpers.

  76. 76
    Doug R says:

    @LAO:

    While I understand that the number of people self-identifying as Republican is shrinking, how in the hell does Trump have an 89% approval rating among republicans?

    (I’m quite sure a number of you will chime in with the answer “racism”, so perhaps its a rhetorical question.)

    Because only trump supporters are willing to admit they are Republicans. I would love to see some raw data as to how many drop offs there are every month.
    …..and RACISM.

  77. 77
    LAO says:

    @Steeplejack: I agree, that would be helpful.

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    stinger says:

    @Mnemosyne: That is good news. (At least the first part is.)

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    Shell says:

    Lying pustules. Hopefully they stick him under the Tower.

    How about on top of the Tower with the crows? Im not talking about beheading; he can just keep them company for a while.

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    Doug R says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Mexico already kicked off their tariffs, I expect Canada’s to be implemented soon.

    Scheduled to take effect July 1, 2018- CANADA Day.

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    MattF says:

    @TenguPhule: Hard to see how this event could actually take place. But we shall see.

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    Barbara says:

    @Doug R: Party identification is notoriously fluid. Most pollsters avoid trying to poll it directly. It’s better to look at general polls on favorability and support, because doing it by party doesn’t capture the degree to which people who don’t support Trump will not identify themselves as Republican even if they have in the past.

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    JPL says:

    @TenguPhule: It will probably be attended by those fortunate enough to have winning numbers, at yesterday’s farce.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    And the thing is, I think Trump really wants this summit, this isn’t a plan by the administration to derail the thing.

    @Joyce H: He does. Badly. He wants that fucking Nobel that Obama’s got – which he will never get even if he single-handedly saves the earth from a giant meteor, because he’s justly earned the raw hatred of almost everyone on the planet.

    The flying monkey brigade he has chosen to surround himself with absolutely do not want the summit, especially Bolton. Some of them for ideological reasons, most because they’re trying to keep Trump as handicapped as possible lest he accidentally do something good for America. So he’s going to learn a lesson about vetting hires the hard way, a lesson that in the end he will fail to learn and it will happen again and again.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @BoDiddleySquat:

    Yeah, it was kind of, We kicked Napoleon to Elba, let’s take care of this American annoyance.

    It was a much bigger deal to the Americans, obvs. We probably wouldn’t have had Andrew Jackson as a president if he had not won the (ultimately pointless) Battle of New Orleans.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Well, he told the Evangelicals that he had never confessed his sins to God because he hadn’t done anything wrong so above the laws of both man and God. And yes, they still do support him hoping for their delusional Armageddon.

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    Highway Rob says:

    @Brachiator:

    It’s funny how many people think we won this war.

    SHUT UP! We didn’t lose the War of 1812. It was a tie! –Otto

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Odin:
    Nope Trumpy boy shot and killed Doc and Marty on the roof of Trump tower. The best we can hope for now is the universe destroying itself because of a paradox.

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    Digby introduces Heather, whose remarks I have taken the liberty to elaborate upon: “State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert on Tuesday cited the D-Day invasion during an answer about the current state of US-German relations…. “We have a very strong relationship with the government of Germany,” Nauert said. “Looking back in the history books, today is the 71st anniversary of the speech that announced the Marshall Plan. Tomorrow is the anniversary of the D-Day invasion. [Americans well remember, too, Hessian mercenaries, the Lusitania, the Zimmerman telegram, the good ship Rueben James, the massacre at Malmedy]. We obviously have a very long history with the government of Germany, and we have a strong relationship with the government of Germany. [Now we want to subvert and/or overthrow it entirely. What’s the big deal? And what’s all this noise about tossing our man in Berlin out on his ear?].

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    Origuy says:

    @Mnemosyne: Good luck with the insurance and the surgery. The fewer surgeries, the better. I had a partial medial meniscectomy on Friday. Arthroscopic, a quick operation. I’m walking reasonably normally with no pain and was cleared to drive yesterday.

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    MattF says:

    @The Moar You Know: ‘Vetting hires’ is not part of Trump’s behavioral repertoire. The only test is what happens when Trump says ‘Jump’.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a “national security” issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?” referring to the War of 1812.

    This nugget of nonsense must have been planted by Gorka or Miller or any of a number of dingbats who have unrestricted access to the Fat Bastard.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @LAO:
    Is that 86% percent approval for the GOP or disapproval?

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    jl says:

    @MattF: Be fair. Trump does check that they look good on TV. Do they look like what ‘central casting’ would send for a TV show. Lot’s of work goes into that.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    The best we can hope for now is the universe destroying itself because of a paradox.

    The Universe divided by zero and got Donald Trump as the answer.

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    jl says:

    @Mike in NC: I have to wonder whether Trudeau mentioned to Trump that the US tried to invade Canada several times during the War of 1812.

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    chopper says:

    @Brachiator:

    exactly, ignoring the historical inaccuracy, bringing up 1812 to assert national security concerns with a country is just moronic. so are japan and germany dangers to our national security? FFS.

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    MattF says:

    @jl: Maybe, but then the Mustache wouldn’t have been hired. He must have jumped really high, though.

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    jl says:

    @chopper: Canada is a hostile power because they shot back when we tried to invade them during the War of 1812? How about that? Works, right?

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    rikyrah says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Glad you got positive news :)

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    Joyce H says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    He does. Badly. He wants that fucking Nobel that Obama’s got – which he will never get even if he single-handedly saves the earth from a giant meteor, because he’s justly earned the raw hatred of almost everyone on the planet.

    The flying monkey brigade he has chosen to surround himself with absolutely do not want the summit, especially Bolton.

    Do you think then that Giuliani was deliberately tanking the summit? I don’t. That’s too deliberate and thought-through for the Giuliani we’re seeing today. He seems to have become a total gasbag, infatuated with the sound of his own voice and willing to say anything in order to be asked back to talk some more.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Joyce H:

    He seems to have become a total gasbag,

    Seems?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @chopper:

    so are japan and germany dangers to our national security?

    Donald Trump says yes.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Gemina13:

    I agree that it would be “vicious” and “unfair” to lie about a loved one having a facelift for the purpose of causing pain and embarrassment. Mr. President, can you imagine anyone would be so cruel to do such a thing? https://t.co/zfqjt1LKw2— Joe Scarborough (@JoeNBC) June 6, 2018

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    MattF says:

    @Joyce H: My guess is Rudy’s trying out for the role of Groveler-in-Chief. If that means tanking the Korean summit, then, well, we all have to sacrifice sometimes.

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    LAO says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: 86% of Republicans approve of Trump.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    LOL. Makes sense. He’s the biggest zero around

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    JPL says:

    Scott Pruitt explains the Chick-fil-a deal
    https://twitter.com/JessicaASmith8/status/1004421219888848897
    Be warned that it has to do with love

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    Brachiator says:

    @Highway Rob:

    It’s funny how many people think we won this war.

    SHUT UP! We didn’t lose the War of 1812. It was a tie! –Otto

    That’s funny!

    The US stupidly started the war. Some politicians even thought that Canada would join the US if we invaded them. No doubt a Trump ancestor.

    But it always fascinated me that both sides accepted a return to the status quo so easily.

    Equally fascinating is that Americans often think the war was a big deal, while the British at the time were more concerned with some dude named Napoleon.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @LAO:
    Oh good. Like others have said I think the numbers of self-identifying registered Republicans has shrunk and that 86% approval is the hard core of the hard core RWNJs.

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    joel hanes says:

    @ruemara:

    They autoplay

    If you use firefox, you can easily put a stop to that. On all sites. Without adding a plugin.

    https://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/11/finally-mozilla-adds-working-html5-video-autoplay-blocking-to-firefox/

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    Shalimar says:

    @Corner Stone: Let’s give Trump some credit. He may act like a toddler, but he isn’t going to be interested in toddler toys. Hookers. You can keep him occupied with prostitutes.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @jl: I don’t believe the San Juan Pig War was ever settled entirely to our satisfaction.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Shalimar:

    You can keep him occupied with prostitutes.

    They must all have a striking resemblance to his daughter.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    Like others have said I think the numbers of self-identifying registered Republicans has shrunk and that 86% approval is the hard core of the hard core RWNJs.

    Still about 40 million people.

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    jonas says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Our Veterans are so fucked.

    Sadly, they also voted for this by pretty big margins. Once again, “but I didn’t think the leopards would eat *my* face!”

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    MattF says:

    @Yutsano: Any thoughtful pimp would figure out that one.

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    jonas says:

    @LAO: Not so much racism as pure, robotic tribalism: does he have an R after his name? Then I’m fer ‘im!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Origuy:

    Sadly, this will be my second surgery, because I managed to re-tear the ACL I had replaced 12 years ago. 😒 But if I get it done now, I may avoid a knee replacement 20 years from now, so I have to get it done.

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    Peale says:

    I believe we are actually the ones who have threatened to invade Canada most recently. Actually the last time I think was 1873 over the extradition of Lord Gordon Gordon. And it technically wasn’t the U.S. doing the invading, but the state of Minnesota.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @JPL:

    Perfect comment in that thread:

    Problematically tasty.— jookyhc (@jookyhc) June 6, 2018

    That’s how I feel. Hate their politics, but I have to drop in on a quarterly basis for a sandwich and waffle fries.

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    JDM says:

    @Jim Parish: Canadians aren’t always so jokey about it. They like to point out that “they” did so. (Based on my experience with being in Canada a fair amount over the last 30 years.) The punch line, which Canadians tend to ignore, is that the troops that burned down the WH had no connection with Canada other than that they were both under control of the British. The troops came from a garrison in Jamaica and were, if memory serves me well, were actually Irish.

    There are other Canadian myths surrounding the War of 1812, but what isn’t so often said but Americans should learn (condemned to repeat it territory here) is that a great many Americans were convinced that a great way to get back at the Brits (who essentially started the war by impressing American seamen into the British navy, at sea, by force) was to invade Canada where, they believed, the population would rise in force against the British. It is true that the Brits were afraid of this too, and restricted arms borne by the locals due to this fear, but the Canadian branch of the Commonwealth were not all that keen on Americans, and of course had been recently bolstered by those who fled during and after the American Revolution because they were loyal to the Crown. Big miscalculation.

    Funny thing is that what was a big factor in the Americans holding off the Brits long enough to make it a political loser to keep the war going was the American success against the British navy. This was unexpected because the Brits had an incredibly powerful navy and the Americans did not. Shades of Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc. etc. etc.

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    Joyce H says:

    BOOM! Stormy Daniels filed a new lawsuit, alleging that her previous attorney colluded with Cohen and Trump against her!

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    ruemara says:

    @joel hanes: No authority to add new software. Every time creative cloud has an update, I need to put in an IT ticket. THE. WORST.

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    President Trump plans to confront other world leaders at a summit in Quebec on Friday over what he believes is a global economic system tilted against the United States, several people briefed on the plan said, escalating tensions with U.S. allies who have expressed outrage at his pivot toward protectionism.

    I hope they take his lunch, pants the motherfucker, and leave him hanging from a post.

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    VOR says:

    @MattF: Remember, Rudy 9/11 supposedly turned down Attorney General because he wanted SecState. So he probably sees himself as a serious commentator on Foreign Policy issues.

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    louc says:

    @LAO: I can tell you, unfortunately. I just visited my mother in Alabama. She said, “I don’t like Trump, but he’s done some great things.” I responded, aghast, “what?!”

    She said he got North Korea to free some prisoners. I’m sure she wanted to say “abortion.” As long as Trump gives the evangelicals what they want on the abortion and other religious fronts, morality be damned. They’re supporting him.

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    Shalimar says:

    @eemom: Are you even capable of saying something nice without being an asshole about it?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @rikyrah:

    Thank you. I’m happy about the positive news but annoyed at the scheduling issues. I just want to get the darn surgery over with since it’s been 8 months. 😠

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    catclub says:

    @LAO

    : how in the hell does Trump have an 89% approval rating among republicans?

    also the number of people who self identify as GOP for the survey might be shrinking.

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    Mel says:

    @Mnemosyne: So glad to hear this. Fewer surgeries is good, good news.

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    ruemara says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’m glad it’s just one knee but I hope you get to have it sooner & that it heals up well. I’m sorry, Mem.

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    catclub says:

    @Joyce H: That was apparent from the cheap seats I am sitting in.

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    JDM says:

    BTW, I found a file on my hard drive from a forum post I made on the 1812 business about 10 years ago. I note that I was wrong about the troops coming up from Jamaica (I believe that’s where they went to afterward); it was Bermuda. It’s history, or trivia depending on your viewpoint, but some might find it interesting:

    __

    The Canadian view is, in much abbreviated form: one day the Americans decided to invade Canada for no particular reason, but Canada got tipped off by Laura Secord, Canada kicked the Yanks out, and Laura went off and opened a candy shop.

    Now in a way this is all true, yet it’s not true as well.

    After the revolution the USA formed (not actually right away) and was a fairly large country physically, but quite small in numbers and arms. They did a lot of trade by sea, but the sea trade was constrained by the British Navy, which was THE sea force at the time. The Brits and the French were having their differences, and this caused problems for the Americans. America was formally an ally of France, since they’d helped out during the revolution and had since dumped their monarchy. This was viewed with some alarm by the British monarch, naturally, because it seemed to be starting a trend.

    Growing out of those differences came Napoleon’s exclusion of British goods from Europe, and Britain responded with a blockade. During this period, Britain seized 1,000 American ships. Also, they had been for some years impressing American citizens (some 10,000) into service on British naval vessels. (The British navy was a great place to be an officer, but they had some little trouble in recruiting regular seamen, so they “impressed” them into service, raiding the countryside of Britain and forcibly taking any able-bodied men they wanted.) They were also doing this at sea (where they could find experienced sailors) and didn’t confine it to British merchant vessels — they would stop and board American merchant vessels and take American citizens and force them into the British navy. At least one ship that refused to be boarded was fired on, killing 3 and injuring 18. The American government, for some reason, objected to this.

    The Americans, under Jefferson at the time, tried economic coercion, but just didn’t have the clout, and the British navy was really putting the screws to their trade. In 1810, a group of politicians known as “The War Hawks” were elected to Congress. Shortly after, the British allies, the Shawnee, attacked American troops with British provocation (the Brits had been stirring up ill feelings among the Shawnee toward Americans for some time). In 1812, the Americans declared war on Britain.

    There were several reasons to attack Canada (which wasn’t a country at the time but was instead a couple colonies called “Upper Canada” and “Lower Canada”, roughly what are now Ontario and Quebec).

    1) The British were a vastly more powerful force at sea than the Americans. Taking British forces away from fighting at sea would be a good tactic even if it failed to free the continent of the British.

    2) Many Americans thought that if an invasion took place, many residents of Upper Canada would join them in kicking out the British, which would effectively end the constant British practice of provoking Indian groups to attack Americans. This was only partly wishful thinking on the part of the War Hawks. The commander of the British forces in Canada had warned his superiors that while the colony had a potential force of 11,000, it “might not be prudent to arm more than 4000.”

    The British didn’t want to lose Canada — for one thing, it was a valuable money-maker; the Hudson’s Bay Company was entrenched in the political and social fabric of Britain after a couple hundred years of fur-trading. They also wanted to contain the revolutionary ideas that the Americans had started with their successful revolution — already France had had a revolution — from the British viewpoint, they had to wonder who was next, and they didn’t want to start losing all their valuable colonies one by one.

    The Americans’ invasion of Canada didn’t work as they would have hoped; British forces repelled them and invaded the USA, going as far as Washington DC and burning the White House (in retaliation for the American burning of York, now Toronto). And yes, Laura Secord warned of one such invasion plan. BTW, contrary to the usual Canadian claim that they did the deed in DC, that action was actually accomplished by a fleet that had been shipped up from Bermuda, and had no connection to Canada at all (interesting trivia: the troops that burned the White House were under the command of an Irishman, and the White had been designed by an Irish-American and was modelled on an Irish country manor). But it did divert British energy that might have been decisive at sea. The Americans did surprisingly well at sea, which was a terrible shock to Britain (and everyone else, who were scared stiff of the British navy). The Yanks also managed to take control of the Great Lakes, which was thought to be virtually impossible. Then the Americans had a series of victories, beating back British invasions on a wide front, and defeating larger British forces at Lake Champlain.

    After all this, with a easy victory — or any victory at all — looking impossible for the British, the US and Britain negoiated and signed the Treaty of Ghent in December of 1814. The Brits agreed to give up designs on the Northwest Territories (what is now Ohio, Indiana, and parts of Illinois and Kentucky, if I remember right) and to stop interfering with American shipping.

    So on the one hand, the Americans did invade Canada and were forced back. On the other hand, they had over a decade of intense provocation, and once they fought, a fledging nation fought the mightest navy on earth to a standstill, and repelled one of the the world’s most powerful armies. So I’d say the Canadian view of an essentially unprovoked attack and a defeat of the Americans could be more accurately viewed as an attack after much provocation and a sort of victory, in that the British finally agreed to stop their seizing of American citizens and ships, and also agreed to stop trying to take over the American western territories.

    BTW, this is the war that gave us a couple of classic battles, the Battle of New Orleans, where Jackson defeated the British in a battle that actually took place a week after the war was over (word hadn’t gotten there yet), and John Paul Jone’s famous line when his ship was under attack by British forces and taking a beating — when asked if he surrendered, Jones replied “I have not yet begun to fight”. That he beat them. Jones also used, and perhaps coined the phrase, “in harm’s way” (“I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm’s way.”)

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    Yutsano says:

    @VOR: I might be a cynic, but I think none of that happened. Rudi was dogshite by the end of the campaign.

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    catclub says:

    @JPL:

    Be warned that it has to do with love

    Love of money? Love of being paid money for not doing work?

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    Brachiator says:

    @BruceFromOhio:

    I hope they take his lunch, pants the motherfucker, and leave him hanging from a post.

    Just like the British did to Madison during the War of 1812!

    ETA. OK, they just ate his dinner. But still…

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    @eemom: This, thank you. Next version of Cleek Filter needs a Twitter blocker.

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    WereBear says:

    @Mnemosyne: Ah well, the good news outweighs the bad. Though I do not blame your impatience one bit.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @JDM:

    The troops came from a garrison in Jamaica and were, if memory serves me well, were actually Irish.

    I’m not sure that you’re correct about this. Someone here recommended a really interesting book called When Britain Burned the White House that has all of the details from the British perspective. The Americans were terrified because the troops who invaded were led by veterans of the Peninsular Campaign, which was just as ugly as any modern guerrilla war.

    The Prince Regent was actually horrified that they burned the National Archives — it seemed like an uncivilized move to destroy America’s artwork and documents.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): I think the homophobe who founded the joint took a dirt nap, so maybe it’s safe to eat there again?

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    cynthia ackerman says:

    @Elizabelle:

    He’s contemplating a pardon for the Hammond’s, who brought the occupiers to Burns.

    Not Bundys et al., though that would not be surprising.

    Pardonfest seems to be about at least two things: chaff to normalise lots of pardons so that the criminal-in-chief pardon is just one more, and boosting the Dunning-Krueger feedback loop between CIC and his base (a win/win in his mind …).

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Joyce H: Good. I hope it’ll turn up a lot of dirt on her previous attorney, who seems to have colluded with Cohen on all kinds of other mistress payoffs, including the extremely hinky $1.6M from RNC finance chair Broidy, who may have taken that hit for Trump. Would love to see that exposed, not that it would dissuade Trump’s hypocritical evangelical supporters.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @cynthia ackerman: I suspect Trump also loves the pardon thing because it’s maybe the closest thing to monarchical power that exists in the US. He can do it at his own whim without support from legislators.

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    SFAW says:

    @Shalimar:

    He may act like a toddler, but he isn’t going to be interested in toddler toys. Hookers. You can keep him occupied with prostitutes.

    That might work — up until the first time a hooker says to him “And how’s my little boy? And I do mean LITTLE.” Then it’ll be all stamping-his-little-feet and whining about how mean the nasty girl is, and that she didn’t even call him “Daddy” as he asked. And then he gets the launch codes fired up, just to prove how manly he is. Or some such.

    So, on the whole, toddler toys would be better.

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    SFAW says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    not that it would dissuade Trump’s hypocritical evangelical supporters.

    Only way for that to happen is if he does something obvious to truly help non-whites

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Yeah, Truett Cathy died in 2014, but I’m sure the sons are keeping the flame alive. By the way, one of them is named Bubba Cathy, which is ludicrous even by Saltine-American naming standards.

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    Brachiator says:

    The lame conventional wisdom says that the victor gets to write the history of a war. With the War of 1812, there is British, Canadian and American version. I’ve read some British historians get sniffy, denigrating James Madison as a lightweight and noting that they sent their B team to negotiate with the Americans.

    And even though the status quo was mostly re-established, the biggest losers may have been the Native American nations. The British agreed to stop providing them with support. And the Native Americans lost their great leader Tecumseh at the Battle of Thames in Canada in 1813.

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    LAO says:

    @cynthia ackerman:

    Not Bundys et al., though that would not be surprising.

    So far, none of the actual Bundys have been convicted yet. No pardons necessary.

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    patrick II says:

    they should just offer Trump 1/2 billion dollars to build a Trump Tower somewhere and their troubles will be over. Just ask the Chinese.

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    pluky says:

    @TenguPhule: More like Saudi and Emirati diplomats and business people. You know, the ones with some quid for his quo.

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    cynthia ackerman says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Agree!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @ruemara:

    It’s very annoying. I feel like I can’t make any plans to do anything until I get that surgery date locked down. 😤

    Last time I did this, I had surgery 5 months after the injury. It’s been 8 months now and I can’t even get the surgery scheduled. Say what you will about the workers comp system, at least they make an effort to get injuries moved through ASAP.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, crap, when you’ve lost Mar-a-Liarspawn…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Yutsano:

    @Shalimar:

    You can keep him occupied with prostitutes.

    They must all have a striking resemblance to his daughter.

    Well, um…I have been reliably informed that Canada has many blonde women with the…uh…necessary.

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    Doug R says:

    @jl:

    On June 15, 1859, exactly thirteen years after the adoption of the Oregon Treaty, the ambiguity led to direct conflict. Lyman Cutlar, an American farmer who had moved onto San Juan Island claiming rights to live there under the Donation Land Claim Act, found a large black pig rooting in his garden.[2][6][8] He had found the pig eating his tubers. This was not the first occurrence. Cutlar was so upset that he took aim and shot the pig, killing it.

    Brigadier General William S. Harney, commanding the Department of Oregon, initially dispatched 66 American soldiers of the 9th Infantry under the command of Captain George Pickett to San Juan Island with orders to prevent the British from landing.[2][6] Concerned that a squatter population of Americans would begin to occupy San Juan Island if the Americans were not kept in check, the British sent three warships under the command of Captain Geoffrey Hornby to counter the Americans.[2][6][8] Pickett was famously quoted as saying defiantly, “We’ll make a Bunker Hill of it,” placing him in the national limelight.[9] The situation continued to escalate. By August 10, 1859, 461 Americans with 14 cannon under Colonel Silas Casey were opposed by five British warships mounting 70 guns and carrying 2,140 men.[2][6][8] During this time, no shots were fired.

    The pig war of 1859 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1859)

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    Doug R says:

    @Steeplejack: Gallup’s got Republicans at 22-26 per cent of the population, depending on the month.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @SFAW: Nothing a good spanking won’t fix!

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    catclub says:

    @LAO:

    No pardons necessary.

    The best pardons come before any indictments, ask Nixon, ask all the people Bush I pardoned as he was leaving the office over Iran-contra.
    Not all of them had been indicted.

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    eemom says:

    @Shalimar:

    Here, lemme try: go fuck yourself. Please.

    Nope, guess not.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @LAO:

    none of the actual Bundys have been convicted yet. No pardons necessary

    There is always the debt and fines to forgive.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Jim Parish: this.

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    Jake the antisoshul soshulist says:

    @Ridnik Chrome: Bluto had a moral compass far superior to Trump

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    Tehanu says:

    @MattF:

    There’s this concept that ‘history’ is a narrative of events that actually happened. Trump can’t be expected to understand that.

    That’s because to Dump, history is a narrative of events that happened to him.

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    artem1s says:

    If we are going to refight the war of 1812 can Cleveland please end up being the southern most of our new polite overlords provinces? PLZ!?

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    Sean says:

    @Jim Parish: He probably thought he was being funny/snarky but after the shit he is pulling with our neighbor and closest ally; not really a good time for tone-deaf attempts at humor.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Last time I did this, I had surgery 5 months after the injury. It’s been 8 months now and I can’t even get the surgery scheduled. Say what you will about the workers comp system, at least they make an effort to get injuries moved through ASAP.

    Maybe you should have a lawyer call about making an appointment soonest?? Where could you find a lawyer who would make a call/write a note for a small fee, like $4.89 Certified Mail Postage???

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