Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Patience

California primaries today — but we may not get swift results. Per USA Today:

Crowded races, narrow margins, and millions of absentee ballots.

That’s the Election Day mix in California’s high-stakes primary on Tuesday, and it means the results in some key races could take days — or even weeks — to determine.

“We’re notorious here for being slow,” said Bill Carrick, a longtime Democratic consultant in the state.

One reason the ballot-counting could drag into Wednesday or later: many Californians vote by mail. And their ballots can arrive up to three days after Election Day and still be counted.

In the 2016 primary, more than 5 million California residents, or nearly 60 percent of the electorate, voted absentee. Adding to the possible delays: Voters can register on election day and cast provisional ballots, but it will take time to verify those…

Carrick and others said it should be clear early Wednesday morning who takes first place in some of the top-tier races, such as the gubernatorial and U.S. Senate contests. But California has an open primary system, where the top two vote-getters advance to the general election regardless of party affiliation.

And in a handful of critical House races, the real competition is for second place. Democrats fear that because they have so many contenders on the ballot, voters may spread their support so thin that two Republican candidates will win both slots on the general election ballot.

“The key question for several of these races is not who the winner is, but who the number two is,” said Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College. “And it all depends on the vote difference between (the) No. 2 and No. 3 (finishers). And in some cases, those margins might be small enough to mean a delayed outcome.”…

And a couple codas to SCOTUS’s Wedding Cake Decision:

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    As for the gay cake decision, would it be legal for the state government to require commercial premises to display who they will and will not sell to?

    Then at least gay (or other) customers would not be subjected to this faux Christian moralizing while trying to buy stuff.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning Everyone 😄 😄😄

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    sempronia says:

    I voted for Villaraigosa, even though I like Chiang better. According to the last poll I saw, Newsom’s in a healthy first place, followed by Cox (R) at 15%, Villaraigosa at 13%, and Chiang at 7%. I voted to keep the Republican off the November ballot, not to get V in. He and Newsom are both slimy.

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    hervevillechaizelounge says:

    So, how long before Trump supporter claims letting African Americans into his business is prohibited by his white Christian identity theology?

    Probably today, right?

    The wording of the decision might seem very narrow to legal beagles but semantics won’t matter to Trump supporters—those fuckers have been empowered.

    Since we’re speaking of religion, Lord hear my prayer: please let me be present when a business owner refuses to serve Shep Smith or Peter Thiel. Schadenfreude is the air I breathe!

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    rikyrah says:

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    Montanareddog says:

    I confess I cannot understand the rationale behind the bad cakemaker’s decision and then that of SCOTUS.

    SSM is a civil ceremony and thus a civil right, no? How can you have a religious objection to a civil right? Why should a religious person care? It is not a true marriage in the sight of God anyway if not performed in a religious ceremony.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Baud says:


    You can have a religious objection to anything.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: I have a religious objection to religion.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: And you have the right to refuse to bake yourself a cake.

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    WereBear says:

    I just read a lawyer’s rant about Kennedy and his regard for Christian fee-fees. I swear, these crazed Evangelicals will destroy Christianity, and if their version is all we can expect, I’m fine with it.

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    @Baud: Baud, for instance, had a religious objection to textiles.

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    NotMax says:

    “Let them eat cake. Just not this one.”

    How friggin’ hard would it have been for the antediluvian baker to have said, “Let me check my calendar. Nope, I’m booked solid. Sorry.”

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    NotMax says:


    I have a sincere religious objection to zucchini. Any store which carries it, in any form, offends me.

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    Schlemazel says:

    But then they would not have felt the satisfaction of feeling oh so superior to those people

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    While we’re on the subject: Project Blitz: the legislative assault by Christian nationalists to reshape America

    In Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Louisiana and Tennessee, so-called “In God We Trust” bills have become law since 2017, which will see the phrase emblazoned on public buildings, hung in schools and displayed on the side of public vehicles including police cars.

    But the Project Blitz playbook sees those largely symbolic bills as just the first stage on the way to more hardline laws. They are presented as measures to preserve religious liberty, but are intended to give businesses, pastors and childcare providers the right to discriminate against LGBT people in line with their “sincerely held religious beliefs”.
    The first category of “In God We Trust” bills are likely to trigger opposition by saying the bills are a waste of time, or the sponsor of the bill “just wants to fight culture wars and divide people”.

    Part of the strategy is to pave the way for later political attacks, painting an election opponent as “anti-faith”. Recent attacks on a Minnesota Democratic politician by Republican opponents followed exactly those lines.

    Barton told legislators on the call: “They are gonna be things people yell at, but they help move the ball down the court, really if we can do this, get this going with all the states, it’s kind of like whack-a-mole for the other side, it’ll drive ‘em crazy that they’ll have to divide their resources out in opposing this.”

    Category two include bills for a range of proclamations or resolutions – declaring a religious freedom day or Christian heritage week that can then be used to get religious teaching into schools. The playbook adds: “If any legislator opposes this, it will be helpful to get him or her on the record against this heritage and freedom.”

    Category three bills will have the greatest impact but will be “the most hotly contested” the playbook says – they include resolutions in favour of “biblical values concerning marriage and sexuality”, such as “establishing public policy favoring adoption by intact heterosexual, marriage-based families” and “establishing public policy favoring intimate sexual relations only between married, heterosexual couples”.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: Evidently it’s required to ostentatiously proclaim your faith and detail how the sinners in front of you are going to hell in every commercial transaction to be a Xtian in some churches.
    Probably the baker’s just an asshole.

    @rikyrah: Good morning 🙋!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    Louisiana Republican John Kennedy emphasized the ambiguity of the question. “You can hire a smart lawyer who will tell you yes, and you can hire a bunch of other smart lawyers who will tell you no. Let’s hope we don’t get there,” he told THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

    “I know the president has raised it in a tweet, and I get it. The president hasn’t asked me my opinion, but if he did, I would try to convince him that tweeting a little less wouldn’t cause brain damage. But he hasn’t asked my opinion, and he’s the president of the United States, and he likes to tweet, and my guess is he’s going to keep tweeting.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    Probably the baker’s just an asshole.

    Kinda goes w/o saying.

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    bystander says:

    I admit I have consistently wondered why these two couldn’t find a gay-friendly baker fercrissakes. It’s like telling me there is no gay-friendly florist or hairdresser. I’d always rather give my money to somebody who can actually decorate a cake, arrange flowers or bring my scalp to a dull sheen.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The article closes with:

    Andrew Whitehead, assistant professor of sociology at Clemson University, recently published a study titled Make America Christian Again which concluded that the more someone believed the United States was and should remain a Christian nation, the more likely they were to vote Trump in 2016.

    Whitehead described the so-called quest for “dominion” as the aim of Christian nationalists who consider that the Christian faith and their particular interpretation should be imposed.

    Clarkson, whose research first highlighted Project Blitz, said: “It’s a Christian supremacist agenda, the idea that God intended and mandates Christians to lead and control the United States for the religious vision that they hold and the policy implications that flow from it.

    “If you are a more liberal Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim, or a non-believer of any sort, or whatever you happen to be, you’re a second class citizen at best.”

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:


    Dancing FBI agent drops gun during backflip and shoots man in leg

    When did Frank Drebin join the FBI?

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    Montanareddog says:

    @NotMax: Heretic! Good people of faith object to the eggplant-selling stores

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    NotMax says:


    Presumably you’ve already seen something about this.

    An evangelical Christian university is helping make a film that implies God chose Trump
    Liberty University students and faculty are making The Trump Prophecy.

    I’d say coming soon to an overheated, asbestos tiled basement of a fundie church near you, but it’s already being scheduled as a Fathom Events show in regular theaters this October.

    Also too – Jeanine Pirro says Trump ‘fulfilled’ a ‘biblical prophecy’ by moving US Embassy to Jerusalem.

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    Baud says:

    @NotMax: What a recruiting tool for the Church of Satan.

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    @Viva BrisVegas:
    The Supreme Court decision says it would be legal to force the baker to make the cake, just the panel that made the decision did so in a specific asshole way* that isn’t allowed. The decision actually was specific that anti-gay discrimination is a no-no that should be slapped down.

    *I am not conceding that the panel were assholes, only that the SCOTUS had that objection.

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    NotMax says:


    Couldn’t include the Fathom Events link because FYWP.

    Here it be.

    Two hours and 40 minutes. More than enough time to gouge one’s eyes out.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    Presumably you’ve already seen something about this.

    You presume too much, sir! Head? Meet desk.

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    Baud says:

    Ugh. The baker is on the Today show this morning.

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    NotMax says:


    Icing on the white hot cross bun is it ostensibly centers on a fireman to whom God spake about Dolt 45. Where does he live and work?


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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: A burning house did spake unto him.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I learn from The Guardian’s football page that Liverpool FC arranged to have goalkeeper Loris Karius examined by specialists at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston while on a post-season holiday in the US. The doctors found that Karius’ fatal mistakes in the recent Champions League final could be the result of a concussion he suffered during the match — in a collision with Real Madrid captain Sergio Ramos. Ramos’ collision with Liverpool striker Mohamed Salah in the same match caused a shoulder injury that took Salah out of the match and demoralised Liverpool.
    As a Liverpool fan I shall never forgive Sergio Ramos.

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    Baud says:

    Today show made Pete Williams go to the Supreme Court this morning just so the Court would be in the background for the shot.

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    debbie says:


    Please, please, please let someone ask him how he reconciles his actions to his faith. From what I know of the New Testament, Jesus would be the first person to spit in his face.

    And by the way, can we please stop defining downward the term “artistry”? This guy’s got none of it, and as a BFA, I’m fed up to here with these hacks.

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    Baud says:


    He doesn’t bake Halloween cakes either.

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    NotMax says:


    Wouldn’t be surprised to find out the baker adulterates his flour with alum to make it whiter.

    (Historical footnote: Near universal practice in Victorian England.)

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    Nora says:

    @debbie: I don’t know if Jesus would actually SPIT in his face, but he would certainly have things to say about the man’s obvious hypocrisy. Starting with the question of whether this man feels it’s not a violation of his religious freedom to make wedding cakes for people who have been divorced.

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    Baud says:

    The media can’t stop lying about the Clintons.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: Looks like a good day to check out of keeping up with “as our democracy dies” for a few hours.
    Of course, the Xtianists used to proclaim the exact same thing about GWB.

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    debbie says:


    What would that baker do if while delivering a wedding cake for a Christian evangelical wedding, he overheard someone gossiping about the bride having slept with the best man the night before? Would he turn around and leave or would he pocket the money while coming up with excuses for her behavior?

    Yeah, I think he’d spit. It’s gotten beyond ridiculous.

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    debbie says:

    I’m no Tim Cook fan, but Steve Inskeep is being a real jerk in this interview. “But aren’t your products responsible for this rampant addiction to social media?”

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    Baud says:

    Melania spotted!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    On June 8, coming to a Netflix near you: The Staircase

    “In the Peterson case, there are two important things I observed. The first is that the institution is not there to find the truth. It’s more like a game, a chess game. And the second is that when you are caught in the system, it doesn’t matter how much money you have. If the system wants to catch you, they can.”

    De Lestrade again stresses that he doesn’t know if Peterson killed his wife, if it was an accident, or even if – as was later suggested – her injuries, lacerations of the scalp and huge loss of blood, were the result of an attack by a large owl. But he does believe that Peterson wasn’t treated fairly. “Such things should not happen in a democracy. It’s shocking, really shocking.”

    The story became a big part of De Lestrade’s life. “Yes, it’s been a real obsession. There’s always been a little piece of The Staircase in my head,” he says. After the initial eight episodes, he made a couple of further episodes in 2012, because of further developments in the case. Then in 2016, he began work on a further follow-up that was picked up by Netflix and became three more episodes.

    The streaming service will now launch the entire 13-episode run. For the first time, The Staircase can be seen in one place, in its entirety. And, unsurprisingly, De Lestrade is very happy about this. “Until now, no one could watch it all in one night – well, a very long night – as a series. I know that many people have never heard of The Staircase. I’m glad it will be possible for a young audience to see it.”

    De Lestrade has lost count of the number of journeys he’s made to Durham, North Carolina, sometimes on trips that resulted in nothing. In the course of 16 years, he estimates he’s filmed 1,132 hours – or 47 days – of footage. That time span adds a dimension to The Staircase you don’t often see in a documentary: the characters age, a revelation that’s not too much of a spoiler.

    Sounds interesting. Too bad I’ll have to wait for the DVD.

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    bemused says:


    I never heard of conspiracy lunatic Mark Taylor until yesterday when I read he said liberals will create hurricanes to suppress trump votes. Now Liberty U is making a movie about Taylor’s belief trump is fulfilling prophecy. What’s next Liberty U students, a flat earth documentary?


    The wingnut evangelicals can’t blame secularism and liberals when their brand of cult religion goes down. They are speeding up their demise by their own hands.

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    NotMax says:


    “Just to perfectly clear, I’m not limited to only removing leprosy.”

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    Betty Cracker says:


    Probably the baker’s just an asshole.

    He’s definitely a self-righteous prick; I know this from a WaPo op-ed he wrote some months back. He’s also extremely pretentious and absurd about his “artistry” while constantly lying about how open-minded and non-discriminatory he is. I’m sure he’s having the time of his life with all this media attention. I hope when the cameras go away and wingnuts stop spite-eating his dumb cakes to own the libs, decent people avoid his store and he goes broke.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Let’s hook him up with Kim Davis! Lord knows she could use another husband.

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    James E Powell says:


    I’m figuring that the next shot will be “we don’t serve illegal aliens” with a demand for papers.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: “She’s spotted like a zebra!” (a catchphrase in our household as my wife actually said it, then broke out laughing when she realized it)

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    @Baud: I saw a headline someplace yesterday that said Bill Clinton had destroyed his pollical career. I just laughed. Neither Clinton is going to run again. Their political careers are already done. Clinton Derangement must be a hell of a drug if the media still can’t quit.

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    Baud says:

    @bemused: Nonetheless, they will blame secularism and liberals.

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    germy says:

    The latest Jill Stein FEC report, filed only after I revealed she was breaking federal disclosure laws, shows that campaign manager David Cobb is still being paid an annual salary of more than $90,000. I asked him what he does and he would not say. https://t.co/xXqwPyu0mr https://t.co/dgRQyGaec0— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) June 5, 2018

    Nice work if you can get it.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:

    They feel they have unfettered license after successfully derailing Hillary’s campaign.

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    Another Scott says:

    ‘Morning everyone.

    Good, good for the kids. But they should hold a simultaneous rally called “Make Trump God Emperor of the Christian USA” in DC and b[u]y ads on Breitbart and Fox News to promote it. Then, at the event, after an ostentatious singing of the National Anthem, yell “Psych!” and then put up the March for our Lives banner…

    You know, like Ben Bowling did at his commencement speech…


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    Baud says:

    @germy: Obviously, not filling FEC reports.

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    NotMax says:

    @James E Powell

    Wasn’t there something front paged here a while back about some heartburn hovel in Texas that posted just such a notice?

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    rikyrah says:

    The video of the FBI agent-😒😒

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @germy: The grift is strong with this one.

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    germy says:

    @Baud: Donations for the recount.

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    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh
    Uh huh

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    germy says:


    The Jill Stein campaign has spent just under $333,000 in 2016 recount money since its FEC report for September 2017, the last one it had filed before my story last week.— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) June 5, 2018

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    Leto says:

    @NotMax: Yes, but what would you do with the other 2h and 39mins? Guess that leaves time for your ears.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:
    I suppose there is an ongoing mission to paint the Clintons as failures.

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    germy says:


    The mayor from Jaws is still the mayor in Jaws 2.
    It is so important to vote in your local elections.
    — Adam Goodell (@adamgoodell) October 21, 2017

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    NotMax says:


    In more normal times, would say his career advancement opportunities were now nil.

    These days, we could be looking at the next Attorney General.

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    germy says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I suppose there is an ongoing mission to paint the Clintons as failures.

    “Aren’t ya glad he’s not the First Husband? You’re welcome, America!” – corporate media

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid: They did the same with Jimmy Carter. They’ll do it to Obama eventually unless we find a way to change the dynamic.

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    @Baud: The media luvs them some Clenis.

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    bemused says:


    Of course they will. They believe majority of americans that are not them should be stoned to death with exception for the filthy beast, messiah trump.

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    NotMax says:


    That’s what the industrial-size box of Jujubes is for.


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    Melania spotted!

    Our long national nightmare is over. Praise the Lord!

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    germy says:


    The media luvs them some Clenis.

    they’ve got a firm grip on it.

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    Leto says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: So was she in the window this time?

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    Montanareddog says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    As a Liverpool fan I shall never forgive Sergio Ramos.

    I don’t think it is an exaggeration to say that Sergio Ramos is the most hated player in European football (amongst fans – not sure how other players feel about him). And according to his Wikipedia entry, he is a fan of bullfighting which kind of figures.

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    @germy: The Governor of my state when I graduated from High School is still the Governor of my state.

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    eric says:

    @Baud: Let me help. Clinton (both) and Obama and Carter are “smarter” and more accomplished than any reporter or opinion writer (sans Krugman). They resent their betters. “That” is what feeds the conservative beast as well, so it creates a feed back loop. Resentment is a powerful drug.

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    eric says:

    @Montanareddog: One could argue that “bullfighting” is another word for Ramos on the pitch.

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    NotMax says:


    In the conservatory. With the candlestick.


    “It’s an earplug and a fruity treat!”

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    germy says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: He took a break though, didn’t he?

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    rikyrah says:

    I love the organization of these kids.
    This is a way to keep the issue front and center. And, their insistence on the Voter Registration part,👏👏👏

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    germy says:

    Speaking of longevity…

    I have a memory of being about six or seven years old. I’m at a magazine stand in an airport. I’m told I can pick out one magazine or book. I pick out a Mad Magazine. On the car ride home, I’m fascinated by the margin cartoons of Sergio Aragones. No captions, just funny pictures.

    I’m 60 years old now. Some of my childhood friends have passed on (heart attacks, cancer, etc.) I feel like I’m in my life’s last chapter.

    Sergio is still drawing for Mad Magazine.

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    @germy: Yeah, about 30 years.

    ETA: His dad was Governor when I was born.

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    NotMax says:


    Nick Meglin, the grand old man responsible more than anyone else for fostering MAD’s askew sense of humor, died the other day at 82.

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    JohnO says:

    So I’m doing my daily headline scan to make sure the world isn’t ending before I walk the dog, and I notice that again and again Steve Schmidt keeps showing up on the narco-vision to tell us how horrible The Boy King is, and I finally got tired of it so I used the Tweet machine to ask him a couple questions. (I don’t even know how to use the Twitter; 78 lifetime tweets since 2011, but it seems to be what the children are using these days.)

    The first one went like this:

    @SteveSchmidtSES Serious question: How exactly is it that you and so many of your fellow shall-we-say "big shots" in GOPland were, and apparently still are in your case, completely uninformed about the very people you and Team R were courting for the last 40 years? — JohnO (@JohnO109) June 4, 2018


    @SteveSchmidtSES (2) I mean, you DO realize at this point that The Boy King is not the problem, don't you? That he is who he has always been? The electorate Rush and FOX and Atwater and Stone and Bannon speak to has been there forever, and you want to blame DT. Huh?— JohnO (@JohnO109) June 4, 2018


    @SteveSchmidtSES (3) Where is the mea culpa for your role and *continued membership* on Team R? #justownit— JohnO (@JohnO109) June 4, 2018

    He blocked me! What a snowflake!

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    NotMax says:


    Found myself once sharing a very, very slow elevator ride with both Mark Evanier and Sergio, two gentleman of, shall we say, imposing size (not to mention talent).

    Did manage to blurt out a one liner they both heartily laughed at about the situation.

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    Immanentize says:


    MAD’s askew sense of humor,

    One of MAD’s movie send- ups was “Sleazy Rider.” Now that involved a (Luke) Askew sense of humor!

    Groan (I groaned so you don’t have to)

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    germy says:

    @NotMax: I didn’t know that.

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    Immanentize says:

    @JohnO: Blocked you? It sounds like that is a narrative he does not want publically aired.

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    Jeffro says:

    Hey did y’all know that David Brooks is a complete idiot? Today he tries to liken our partisan squabbles to a bad marriage in need of counseling. PASS. Brooksie, your metaphor is all wrong. We’re not in a marriage with right-wing assclowns; they’re our roommate who has steadily deteriorated both in mental capacity and hygiene and now needs to shape the fuck up our move out. Period, end of story.

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    germy says:

    @Immanentize: I think Mort Drucker’s work is imprinted in my DNA. I was often too young to get the movie parody jokes (and too young to see the movies themselves) but his caricatures fascinated me.

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    JohnO says:


    It is a narrative mysteriously missing from all over the place.

    I was surprised.

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    NotMax says:

    WaPo obit.MAD MAGAZINE’s rich history brims with the names of cartoonists who profoundly influenced comedy for generations. Al Jaffee. Mort Drucker. Sergio Aragones [sic*]. Dick DeBartolo. Those are just some of the living legends who became so well-known to fans of magazine satire — the MAD men who helped pave a cultural path for “Saturday Night Live,” “The Simpsons,” the Onion and “The Daily Show.”

    And often leading this so-called “Usual Gang of Idiots” for nearly a half-century was a man who seldom received a byline himself.

    Nick Meglin was a sharp-witted editor who helped shape the fledging publication once he joined MAD in 1956, the year that Al Feldstein became the magazine’s top editor.

    Meglin — who died Saturday of a heart attack at age 82, according to MAD magazine — was for so long the soul of the gifted staff. Bill Gaines, the late founder and publisher of MAD, called Meglin “the heart of the magazine” — a man who was crucial in building and nurturing the magazine’s stable of all-stars.Alert editor would have corrected that to Aragonés.

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    germy says:


    they’re our roommate who has steadily deteriorated both in mental capacity and hygiene and now needs to shape the fuck up our move out.

    They’re the guy across the street who blasts “Sweet Home Alabama” at three o’clock in the morning, lets his dog roam free to shit on everyone’s lawn and who stares menacingly from his driveway at anyone he perceives “doesn’t belong” in the neighborhood.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @germy: You’re my age. I remember hearing the name of Stan Lee back then, one of the few behind-the-scene names in the comics that I’d heard. Now a household name to a whole new generation.

    I’m more depressed by the young fresh faces from TV and film who are now old farts. Billy Crystal for instance. The kid from “Soap” is joking that he could play “Miracle Max” without makeup now.

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    Immanentize says:

    @germy: I agree. I think the first MAD movie parody I got — like, Ah Ha! You can do that? — was “201 Minutes of a Space Idiocy.”

    ETA I just looked it up — I was 10 when that issue came out.

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    NotMax says:


    Formatting disaster. Fix.

    WaPo obit.

    MAD MAGAZINE’s rich history brims with the names of cartoonists who profoundly influenced comedy for generations. Al Jaffee. Mort Drucker. Sergio Aragones [sic*]. Dick DeBartolo. Those are just some of the living legends who became so well-known to fans of magazine satire — the MAD men who helped pave a cultural path for “Saturday Night Live,” “The Simpsons,” the Onion and “The Daily Show.”

    And often leading this so-called “Usual Gang of Idiots” for nearly a half-century was a man who seldom received a byline himself.

    Nick Meglin was a sharp-witted editor who helped shape the fledging publication once he joined MAD in 1956, the year that Al Feldstein became the magazine’s top editor.

    Meglin — who died Saturday of a heart attack at age 82, according to MAD magazine — was for so long the soul of the gifted staff. Bill Gaines, the late founder and publisher of MAD, called Meglin “the heart of the magazine” — a man who was crucial in building and nurturing the magazine’s stable of all-stars.

    *Alert editor would have corrected that to Aragonés.

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    germy says:

    @Immanentize: I remember the letters column. A letter from Shatner and Nimoy, accompanied by a photo of them in full Star Trek costume and makeup, examining an issue of Mad Magazine.

    Years later, the brutal National Lampoon parody. “You know you’ve really outgrown Mad Magazine when…”

    Interesting that Mad was so early on the anti-smoking movement. They always featured bits about lung cancer and cigarette ads. Maybe that’s why most of them are still around today.

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    NotMax says:


    Still recall one of those parodies in the most questionable taste.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    Aside from Mad, or prior to it, I blame Rocky and Bullwinkle (and the various cartoons within: Aesop, Fractured Fairy Tales, Mr. Peabody) for my cracked sense of humor.

    And later, National Lampoon under P. J. O’Rourke.

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    I visited The Huntington(two days in a row) yesterday to test out focus stacking(you shoot a number of pics focused at different distances and put them together in Photoshop), here’s one.

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    NotMax says:


    Liberals read MAD. Conservatives were too engrossed hunting for up the shorts crotch shots in Boys’ Life.

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    Immanentize says:

    @NotMax: Well the National Lampoon’s had its moments of questionable taste as well — “If Ted Kennedy Drove a Volkswagen…”
    Scroll down on the link a bit

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    Jager says:

    It’s 5:40 up in the canyon….Anze the Dog woke me up at 3, he was doing his ‘I need to fucking go out now” sound. He fire hosed the grass as only a German Shepherd can. He’s dead asleep on the floor next to me and I’m wide awake. Mrs J is sleeping like the baby she is. It’s all her fault, she let him eat the BBQ tri tip scraps and lick the pan. Any ideas for appropriate punishment? I’ll administer it when I get back from doing my civic duty this morning. Then I’ll take a nap.

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    NotMax says:


    National Lampoon lived for, nay reveled in, questionable taste.

    Full disclosure: was a subscriber.

    There’s a solitary circle of Hell, however, reserved for whoever greenlighted Bonnie & Trots.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Sen.Wilmer strode to the stage to raucous applause in pivotal Orange County on Saturday, just days ahead of California’s crucial primaries — and lit into Big Mickey Mouse while ignoring the looming elections.

    “If a corporation like Disney has enough money to pay its CEO over $400 million in a four year period, it damn well has enough money to pay its workers at least fifteen bucks,” thundered the once and likely future presidential candidate, using his significant soapbox to tear into the Walt Disney Company on worker compensation to the delight of the thousands of union members gathered at a megachurch a short jaunt from Disneyland.

    But he failed to mention even once the state’s impending primary elections, in which many of the assembled unions are working hard to ensure Democrats get on the general election ballot — and whose outcomes will play an outsized role in Democrats’ fight to win the House and stop President Trump’s agenda.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jager: Ice cold marbles fresh from the freezer. No matter where she rolls, they will follow. Never failed to get my oldest out of bed.

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    NotMax says:


    Hey, they are no longer required to share underwear. Baby steps.


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    @OzarkHillbilly: The California minimum wage is increasing annually and will be $15 in 2022.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: You sure it wasn’t Nordberg?

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    NotMax says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym

    Long running joke in the crowd I associate with is that there is an honored, coveted title in comedy circles, the Old Jew.

    And that Billy Crystal has been gunning for it since he was in his twenties.

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    Jager says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Good idea, but she’d ruin the balance of my life if I did that to her. Once she’s asleep you cannot mess with her. Or wake her up until she wakes up. She didn’t believe she snores like a lumberjack either, until I recorded her on my phone. She’ll be up by 6:30…I’ll get my morning hug and kiss, let her drink a cup of coffee then kick her ass….

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @germy: I haven’t read Mad in ages, but apparently Al Jaffee still does the fold-ins – he’s 97

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    NotMax says:


    Vigorous belly rubs, without mercy.


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    Miss Bianca says:

    @NotMax: I remember that one, too. It made an even bigger impression on me because I had been a “Hogan’s Heroes” fan in my misspent youth.

    But you could argue that their point was that that *series* was the tasteless joke.

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    Jager says:

    @NotMax: I’d spank her but she likes that too much…maybe not spank her?

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    Jager says:

    @Just One More Canuck: When i was a kid reading Mad, they did a lot of Nazi stuff. I remember one scene, set in a prison camp. There was a blackjack on the table with a tag on it. The tag: read Adolf’s Tenderizer.

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    NotMax says:


    Strictly for the wet behind the ears young’uns who don’t get the reference.

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    rikyrah says:


    He failed to mention them, because HE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE 2018 ELECTIONS.

    In fact, he wants the Democrats to do poorly in the 2018 elections.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Amir Khalid: For what it’s worth, Salah’s injury may also allow Russia to move past group play in the World Cup. Russia’s Group A includes Saudi Arabia, possibly the worst side in the tournament, as well as Uruguay and Egypt. If you figure Uruguay’s a cinch to finish first in that group, that leaves the Russians and Egyptians fighting to be the other side that advances, and Egypt won’t be able to do so if they are missing their player. Take Messi away from Argentina or Renaldo away from Portugal, and they still have some quality players remaining, but take Salah away from Egypt, and they have nothing.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m just fine with Wilmer not commenting on actual races, since he’d just
    make it his sole priority to sandbag whichever Democratic candidate it was.

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    NotMax says:

    First women drivers officially permitted on the roads of Saudi Arabia now active. Expect screaming headlines about increase in fender benders any time now.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @NotMax: Long running joke in the crowd I associate with is that there is an honored, coveted title in comedy circles, the Old Jew.
    And that Billy Crystal has been gunning for it since he was in his twenties.

    so that “work” he had done wasn’t to make him look younger, it was to make him look embalmed so he could win that contest walking? Makes more sense….
    He’s still got a helluva fight against Mel Brooks

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    El Caganer says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: OK, then. I was wondering why the Manatee County buses flash “In God We Trust.,” since they’re public transit. I’m gonna demand equal time for “Have A Nice Day.”

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    @germy: Fuck her and every I-voted-my-conscience asshole who voted for her.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Egypt are saying Mo will be fit for the World Cup. How fit? We shall see.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @NotMax: Crystal is going to need for Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner to die first. And as Brooks is the 2000-year-old man, he’ll probably retire the title.

    I heard an interview a few months back of Reiner, and he said most every night, he and Brooks get together and watch TV and share a running commentary on what they’re watching. Damn, I wish they’d invite me over some night.

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    sdhays says:

    This means that Medicaid Expansion will, at least initially, be a lot more generous and efficient than LePage could have made it if he had spent his time coming up with a wasteful Arkansas-like plan with work requirements and privatization and such rather than trying to stonewall it all the way, right?

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    NotMax says:


    AFAIK, Reiner isn’t Jewish.

    He just plays one on TV.


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    Yutsano says:

    @NotMax: Heh. What the Saudis don’t know is what their wives and daughters have been doing while they’re out of the house. True they can’t leave without a male relative but nothing says they can’t get in the car and drive around compounds. “Leaving the house” is a flexible term.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Amir Khalid: I’d read that Mo was saying he’d be fine for the World Cup, but then I’d expect him to try to play even if he’d had a leg amputated. I hope he’s good to go.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Tokyokie: Mel probably isn’t leaving this mortal coil until he’s at least past George Burns who made it to to 100.

    Mel is 92.

    No guarantees about Carl, although both are still quite mentally cognizant.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @NotMax: Don’t let the French-sounding surname fool you.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Tokyokie: They’re on an episode of Seinfeld’s “Getting coffee in cars with comedians” or whatever it’s called. Eating dinner on trays in front of the TV. Probably doing their commentary thing, but I don’t remember.

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    As I pulled into my garage this morning, my GPS said, “You are going the wrong way on this street.” If a GPS can sound horrified, mine did.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    The new US Ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, is quickly wearing out his welcome in Berlin, saith the Guardian.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Tokyokie: I heard an interview a few months back of Reiner, and he said most every night, he and Brooks get together and watch TV and share a running commentary on what they’re watching. Damn, I wish they’d invite me over some night.

    Sometimes Dick Van Dyke shows up. All three have done episodes of the WTF podcast with Marc Maron. I think it was Jon Fugelsang who interviewed Brooks, and some time later was interviewing Carl Reiner at home, in the middle of it Mel Brooks came barging in the back door and bellowed something like, “You again? What the fuck?” and took over the interview, mostly insulting Fuglesang

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: that’s one worth searching for

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    Tokyokie says:


    Mel probably isn’t leaving this mortal coil until he’s at least past George Burns who made it to to 100.

    Mel is 92.

    What I find astonishing is that with the exception of Burt Gilliam, Brooks is the only major cast member of Blazing Saddles still alive. And he was probably older than all of them when the movie was shot. (Except maybe Liam Dunn.)

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    rikyrah says:


    The prosecutors will get access to over 99% of the seized material from Cohen.
    OVER 99%!


    Between this and Paulie’s witness tampering….
    buckle up, folks. Shyt’s about to get REALLY REAL.

    Cohen’s time is up June 15th, and Paulie…he’s on borrowed time..LOL

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    rikyrah says:

    Arkansas Pulls The Trigger On Nation’s First-Ever Medicaid Work Requirement
    By Alice Ollstein | June 5, 2018 6:00 am

    This week, Arkansas becomes the first state in the nation, and in the nation’s history, to require its non-disabled adult Medicaid expansion population to work or volunteer 80 hours a month to maintain their health care benefits.

    Starting Tuesday, Arkansans on Medicaid have to prove that they’ve worked 80 hours over the previous month or that they qualify for an exemption. If they fail to do so, they’ll be booted from the rolls after three months. Health care advocates in the state say they expect thousands of low-income people to lose coverage — both those who can’t find work and those who can’t navigate the state’s online-only system for documenting their hours. Health groups are also sounding the alarm about the paltry funding Arkansas has reserved for implementing the program — a tiny fraction of what other states are spending to put Medicaid work requirements in place.

    Arkansas’ Medicaid work requirements rule is the third approved by the Trump administration but the first to go into effect, and it has the harshest penalty for non-compliance out of any state so far. It’s akin to a three-strikes-and-you’re-out policy, in which enrollees who fail to document their 80 hours per month of work three times during the year will lose coverage and can’t apply again until the following year.

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    Ruckus says:

    I have a religious objection to religion.
    ETA Of course beaten to the punch. That was predictable.

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    NotMax says:


    Watched a show on Amazon Prime about Asprey’s; the upper, upper, upper class London jewelry and accessory provisioner.

    One scene showed a Saudi princess who didn’t blink an eye at snatching up four handbags in the neighborhood of £100,000 apiece. She did say she’d have to :”think about” springing for a £4.6 million ring.

    Can’t come within a country mile of fathoming having that much disposable income.

    N.B.: Samuel L.Jackson is a regular customer, and was shown being catered to frequently.

    Most discomfiting moment came when one the the high muckety mucks there was showing off an antique traveling dressing case and mentioned that the wash basin was made by using both mercury and gold. Off screen commentator mentioned how that must have been proved lethal for those who made it, to which the response boiled down to “Yes, absolutely, but one must keep in mind the employment it provided.”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:
    I often hear GPS units here on the “American lady” voice setting. As a bot that reads Malaysian street names aloud using American English phonetics, she has a talent for mangling their pronunciation.

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    bjacques says:

    @Miss Bianca: I remember that one too. I’m pretty that *was* the point of “Hochmann’s Heroes” considering how many of the writers and artists were of Central European Jewish extraction, and probably had family who were murdered in the Holocaust.

    MAD was how I learned Yiddish growing up in suburban Houston and then found out decades later in Prague that MAD’s all-purpose gag word Potrzebie came from the Polish/Czech word for “necessities” that graces the window of many an Eastern European household goods store.

    Now I just think someone had finally managed to make a series of Stalag 17 (which MAD also did a parody of, illustrated by the great Wally Wood who portrayed Peter Graves’ character as Archie, as in “Archie and Jughead”).

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    Captain C says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    As a Liverpool fan I shall never forgive Sergio Ramos.

    If one of the Spanish teams hired a safety or linebacker from the NFL to take out Ramos with an American Football-style hit, I wouldn’t complain one bit.

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    Until such time as “outrageous French accent” is offered, shall demur.

    Been stumping for decades for that to be included in the audio offerings for DVDs. Just image the original “Star Wars” done that way.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: You should hear Siri mangling German or Swedish street/place names.

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    Captain C says:

    @Jeffro: Brooksie is one of those people who, after a female friend of his showed up with black eyes and broken ribs from her husband’s beating, would say to her, “what did you do to set him off? C’mon, you know you did something.”

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    @Amir Khalid: My favorite street name mistake was actually my son’s. When he was at Michigan, he lived on a street called Zena Pitcher Place. Place was abbreviated “Pl” on the sign and my son read that as Zena Pitcher Pi.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Captain C: “So you wanted Italian for dinner, and he wanted tire rims and anthrax? Is there a problem? Why couldn’t you just meet him in the middle – try a bite of tire rim once in a while. Show respect for his perfectly valid choices.”

    FSM help me, I sure do wish bad things on Brooksie and the whole Both Sides Gang.

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    Leto says:

    @Gin & Tonic: GPS units prouncing Italian street names is quite funny.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Both Siri and Google do correct for local pronunciations — if it’s programmed in of course, so this only applies to major cities. Never forget when I was getting directions in Portland, and it told me to turn on Couch St. Which it correctly pronounced “Cooch Street”

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    Jeffro says:

    Jennifer Rubin making the very good point that Manafort’s witness tampering shows why it’s so important to go after Trumpov for obstruction:

    …Trump will need a better argument than he cannot obstruct justice by exercising his Article II powers. Not only is it clear he can be impeached for such conduct (and prosecuted after he leaves office), but some of the most damning evidence (e.g. drafting an inaccurate account of the Trump Tower meeting) cannot even be considered to be an exercise of his Article II powers (as would firing an FBI director). Come to think of it, pestering his attorney general to reverse a recusal wouldn’t be an exercise of Article II powers (unlike hiring or firing him), nor would making up a deliberate lie to smear law enforcement or coming up with a phony cover story to explain the firing of the FBI director. Come to think of it, Trump’s defense to prosecution or to impeachment for obstruction is no defense at all. The danger of allowing obstruction to go unchecked is underscored by none other than Manafort. Without strict enforcement of laws against obstruction, witness tampering, etc., the criminal-justice system becomes a circus.

    Even Roberts, knock on wood, will (eventually) ‘get’ this. I have no doubt that the other three right-wing knuckleheads on the Supreme Court will twist themselves into Moebius infinity pretzels trying to justify Trumpov’s BS, but it ain’t gonna fly.

    So much crook-proofing to be done after this clown show leaves town…

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    NotMax says:

    Another civil defense Kilauea earthquake alert just now flashed on the TV. Audio so horribly muddy and garbled that couldn’t make out the intensity.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @The Other Chuck: I’ve never needed GPS directions in NYC, but I wonder how they do with, say, Houston St., or 6th Ave.

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    NotMax says:

    @Gin & Tonic

    And if the FDR in FDR Drive is pronounced “Fuhdduhr.”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Jeffro: I never read Rubin, but isn’t writing “come to think of it” halfway through an 800-word piece an awfully lazy trope? If you’ve thought of it halfway through, then you should be rewriting the first half, shouldn’t you? “Come to think of it” is a construct that really only makes sense in unrehearsed speech. Or am I being too pedantic?

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Also gotten directions in NYC, and it correctly pronounces Houston st as well. At least Google does anyway. Is there a story with 6th ave?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Yes, yes, and yes. =)

    I think she was in rant-typing mode. Don’t ask me how I recognize that particular kind of writing (but I bet you can guess)

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    rikyrah says:

    SWAT team busts into home of Parkland teen David Hogg after hoax hostage call
    05 JUN 2018 AT 10:23 ET

    A SWAT team entered the home of Stoneman Douglas shooting survivor and activist David Hogg on Tuesday morning after a hoax emergency call.

    Media outlet Local10 reported that Broward Sheriff’s Office received a call claiming a hostage situation at the house.

    The caller said that someone broke into the home with an AR-15 rifle and was holding the family at gunpoint.

    A SWAT team surrounded the property before entering the home, according to NBC Miami. No one was home at the time.

    Hogg is currently in Washington, D.C., with his mother to accept the RFK Human Rights award.

    The teen has been calling for stricter gun laws in the wake of the deadly shooting at Marjory Stoneman High School, where 17 students and staff teachers were killed.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    “Come to think of it” is a construct that really only makes sense in unrehearsed speech.

    It is so obviously in that category that it’s used as a sometimes effective rhetorical device, but it also easily slides into “lazy trope” as well. I’ll forgive pundits for lapses in style, since it’s far less an offense than their usual permanent lapses of judgement, character, and common sense.

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    NotMax says:

    @The Other Chuck

    “Make a right onto Malcolm Tenth Boulevard.”


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    LAO says:

    @The Other Chuck: 6th Avenue’s real nym is “Avenue of the Americas”.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @NotMax: Never got directions in Harlem, but I imagine it gets every street name right in NYC. Here in tiny little Colorado Springs on the other hand, it’s always amusing to hear it pronounce “Tejon St” with a hard J. Though it does pronounce “Cache la Poudre” perfectly. Recognizes French but not Spanish … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    trollhattan says:

    They’re trying to get him killed. Full stop.

    Powerful enemies means you have power, but I want the kid to also be allowed to be a kid and to make it to adulthood. I’m sure the president will pitch in to protect all the Stoneman kids.

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    trollhattan says:

    Cohen sure had a low percentage of taint. Biggest surprise of the year!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @The Other Chuck: So how would it do in Des Plaines, Ill?

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    NotMax says:

    @The Other Chuck

    During high school years, lived on a street in Lawn Guyland which had differing spellings for it on the street signs at either end.

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    NotMax says:


    Still does, BTW, at least as recently as last September when passed by.

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    trollhattan says:

    “Mad” absolutely anchored my young, budding sense of humor, satire, cynicism–helped mold my adult for better and for worse, probably more worse. Even at eight we were shrewd enough to see the difference between smart, clever humor and the “Beverly Hillbillies” and “The Family Circus.” “Mad’ also earned my quarters versus comic books, which is why I have such a disconnect from eighteen superhero movies/year.

    ETA Just recalled their mashup of “Oklahoma” and James Bond movies, including the title song “Oh-Oh-Seven.” Clever bunch, those folks.

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    cain says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:
    Can’t imagine the whining that would come from that. Eventually a list will be created and then gay couples will shop there, then apalled other people won’t shop there either. Eventually, they’ll have to go fuck themselves because they suck.

    I’ve noticed that I’ve been using more and more expletive driven posts of late. Combination of shitty politics, bad dog owners, and being out of work.

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    Brachiator says:


    AFAIK, Reiner isn’t Jewish.

    Yeah, he is, and has described himself as a Jewish atheist.

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    bjacques says:

    @rikyrah: That was a SWATting, like the one that got the target killed. Once the cops trace the call, whoever did it needs to be publicly frogmarched to the police station and booked for attempted murder, and no bail. If they’re from out of state, it’s a federal beef.

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    VOR says:

    @Leto: My area has a lot of place names with roots in Native American languages. Also a challenge for both GPS units and new local TV newspeople.

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    trollhattan says:

    Washington and Oregon are chock-full of tribal geographical names, to our continuous amusement as kids listening to visitors trying to pronounce, say, Puyallup. A buddy worked one summer at Mt. Rainier and had a tourist ask how to get to “Seetle.”

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    NotMax says:


    Here on Maui, probably have heard tourists ask for directions to Kihei 32 different ways over the years. None of them correctly pronounced.

    As for Hailiimaile, fuggedaboutit.

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    Immanentize says:

    What about the “Mexington Avenue bus” from Desk Set?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Immanentize: maybe my favorite Tracy/Hepburn movie, neck and neck with Pat and Mike

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    LAO says:

    @Immanentize: Wonderful movie —

    Hey, so I just had time to read the motion to revoke Manafort’s bond. Hmm, I think he may be in a little trouble.

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    bemused says:


    Prank?! Dammit media, call it what it is….terrorism.

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    rikyrah says:

    Fox News apologizes after Eagles’ Zach Ertz blasts national anthem ‘propaganda’
    Tom Schad, USA TODAY Sports Published 10:22 a.m. ET June 5, 2018 | Updated 11:34 a.m. ET June 5, 2018

    Hours after Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zach Ertz and defensive lineman Chris Long criticized Fox News for showing footage of Eagles players praying before games — during a segment about protests during the national anthem — the network apologized for what it described as an “error.”

    Christopher Wallace, the executive producer of Fox News @ Night, apologized for using the footage in a statement provided to USA TODAY Sports, explaining that it was “unrelated” to the matter of the segment.

    “During our report about President Trump canceling the Philadelphia Eagles trip to the White House to celebrate their Super Bowl win, we showed unrelated footage of players kneeling in prayer,” Wallace said in the statement. “To clarify, no members of the team knelt in protest during the national anthem throughout regular or post-season last year. We apologize for the error.”

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    bemused says:


    I don’t pray but I’m praying hard they identify who did this.

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    bemused says:


    I’m shocked there was an apology.

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    sheila in nc says:

    Is it “kee-Hay-ee”?
    What about “ha-ee-Lee-ee-ma-EE-lay”? (Less sure about that one.)
    Sorry, I just had to try!
    Here in NC, one big change I noted after moving here from Maryland is the pronunciation of Appalachian. In MD, the third “a” is long, and the “ch” is soft: appa-LAY-shan. Here in NC, the opposite: appa-LATCH-an.

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    rikyrah says:


    I remember that – I saw it on PBS.

    They wondered if they had done wrong with the bags…and then, the Saudi wife came in and had, what, a dozen put on her plane?


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    Brachiator says:


    Interesting that Mad was so early on the anti-smoking movement. They always featured bits about lung cancer and cigarette ads.

    You know, I forgot that Mad did not accept advertising, but would regularly mock the advertising industry and its cynical manipulation of people. The writers and artists could pass this off as just merry pranks, but the lessons learned stuck with me.

    Another poster has said that liberals read Mad Magazine, but I first started reading it as a kid, long before I even knew what politics even was. But it certainly helped shape my later attitudes, especially in looking out for hucksters and con artists who promise you the moon.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    Hmm, I think he may be in a little trouble.

    I almost shed a small tear.

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    Amir Khalid says:


    a Saudi princess who didn’t blink an eye at snatching up four handbags in the neighborhood of £100,000 apiece

    Her royal highness has a kindred spirit right here in Malaysia.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:


    First women drivers officially permitted on the roads of Saudi Arabia now active. Expect screaming headlines about increase in fender benders any time now.

    I was just talking to someone who lives in Barhan. They were explaining how kids drive cars and open the door on the freeway and try to touch other cars. Apparently being a suicidally aggressive driver is considered an attractive thing in a man because it means he might be aggressive enough to move out of his parents.

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    afanasia says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: A large owl? That’s the best his lawyers can do?

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    burnspbesq says:


    Inskeep personifies everything that sucks about NPR. He needs to disappear from my airwaves, and yesterday wouldn’t be too soon.

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    LAO says:

    Holy crap — I find this shocking.

    BREAKING: Law enforcement officials: Fashion designer Kate Spade found dead in New York in apparent suicide.— The Associated Press (@AP) June 5, 2018

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    rikyrah says:

    She was only 55.


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    Elizabelle says:

    @LAO: L’Wren Scott and now Kate Spade. Alexander McQueen, too. Bizarre world, the fashion world, eh?

    Or maybe it’s murder? Stay tuned.

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    Brachiator says:


    First women drivers officially permitted on the roads of Saudi Arabia now active. Expect screaming headlines about increase in fender benders any time now.

    Officer at the scene of an accident: Can you describe the woman driving the car?

    Witness: No.

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    rikyrah says:

    Judge set a hearing for June 15 on the bombshell allegations from Mueller’s office last night that Paul Manafort attempted to tamper with potential witnesses. Manafort’s response to the filing is due June 8. Earlier: https://t.co/ZWhiFJZUNy pic.twitter.com/7BEzYxx55k

    — Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) June 5, 2018

    June 15th is also the deadline for Cohen – going through his materials.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @LAO: Hanging. That’s what L’Wren Scott did.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    AFAIK, Reiner isn’t Jewish.

    His Wikipedia bio says otherwise:

    Reiner was born in the Bronx, New York City, New York on March 20, 1922, the son of Irving (1886–1966), a watchmaker, and Bessie (née Mathias) Reiner (1880–1968). His parents were Jewish immigrants; his father was from Austria and his mother was from Romania.

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    LAO says:

    @Elizabelle: How awful (and I say that about almost every suicide).

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    Brachiator says:

    @LAO: Left a note. Hanged herself, according to breaking news.

    Absolutely terrible.

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    rikyrah says:

    Forever FLOTUS is coming to NOLA!

    Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden will moderate a conversation with former First Lady of the United States Michelle Obama during the Opening General Session of the 2018 ALA Annual Conference on Friday, June 22. This session will take place 4–5:30 p.m. at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center in New Orleans. Obama’s memoir Becoming, about the experiences that have affected her life, her family, and the country, will be published by Crown Publishing Group on November 13.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @NotMax: Canonically, in Star Wars Twi’leks from Ryloth have a french accent. But… it usually doesn’t turn out well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJYuJpbakCo

    But I would love to see Obi-Wan talking in an awful accent to Vader. Best scene ever.

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    glory b says:

    @LAO: What? I recently listened to her on NPR;s “How I Built This,” about how she and her husband started out and built their company.

    She wasn’t an artistic type, she didn’t ever borrow money or bring in investors, they grew as they earned the money to do so, she started by buying a couple bolts of canvas and machine sewing bags herself.

    I know I’m stereotyping, but she came off as very practical and down to earth, not a “height of fashion’ person at all. I’m really surprised.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @NotMax: That was the Florida park, making the Disney characters share tights and not washing them correctly. My youngest worked for the Mouse in Anaheim as a character for several years and the practice was different there.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Amir Khalid: Driving through Montreal using Google for directions is interesting. There’s a street named after Pope Pius IX. Google lady pronounces it “Pi I X”

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    philbert says:

    Old me recalls a MAD bit where still-alive JFK and Khrushchev did a song and dance at the UN, I don’t recall the tune though. Great stuff in those Cold War days.

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    WereBear says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Apparently being a suicidally aggressive driver is considered an attractive thing in a man because it means he might be aggressive enough to move out of his parents.

    Like dating there isn’t enough of a challenge, for all parties.

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    JPL says:

    @glory b: I was shocked, but a friend said she suffered from depression. Depression is a terrible disease and doesn’t get the attention it deserves.

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    thalarctosMaritimus says:

    Jackals and MAD magazine fans–The perfect place to find out an answer I’ve been trying to find out for years!

    Alison Bechdel recounts a big early influence in her cartooning–a kid writing an essay on “what I did last summer”, with a visit to the farm, the pigs he saw, and all that. Over the years he grows up and he writes more and more sophisticated things, and becomes ag scientist, but it always goes back to the pigs on the farm he saw as a child.

    Like a bad game of telephone, this is a paraphrase of a barely remembered interview I semi-remember from reading years ago, which is probably why my Google-fu has failed me so spectacularly.

    But if this touches a chord for anyone else out there who could steer me in a direction toward finding it, I’d greatly appreciate it, and you’d settle something that I’ve been trying at a very low level to find out for years.

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    Manxome Bromide says:

    @philbert: That was, IIRC, East Side Story.

    When you’re a Red
    You’re a Red all the way
    From your first party purge
    To your last power play!

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    Captain C says:

    @LAO: Though most New Yorkers do refer to it as 6th Ave.

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    J R in WV says:


    “Baud, for instance, had a religious objection to textiles.”

    My dad did too. He was co founder of a UU fellowship, an atheist, a Rockefeller Republican, nudist. Among other things. A real character, I try to live up to his sterling example!

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    J R in WV says:


    What tool did you try for your focus stacking adventure? One of my newer cameras claims to be able to do that “in camera” if you use a sturdy tripod and set things up correctly… I’m a trifle dubious.

    Isn’t Helix the big stacking tool?

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    MoxieM says:

    Late to the party, and 3 posts down, but clearly the cake jerk is trying (badly) to imitate the famous Rainbow swash of Sister Mary Corita Kent on the big gas tank in Dorchester MA. No love, no artistry just a pathetic imitation.

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