Sportsball Follow-Up Open Thread: SMALL!

Some further commentary on Adam’s post. Not everybody wants to follow the labyrinths of, for instance, nuclear foreign policy. But cancelling an event because WAAAH MY WOUNDED FEE-FEES?


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    Mary G says:

    I’m sure the Eagles fans who were invited were all screened to be MAGAts, but even so, I wonder if they are going to go along with this. Philadelphia fans are touchy. It would be great if half of them decided they weren’t coming either, or if the ones that do come kneel for the anthem.

    ETA: Also, too, I bet the players all give more to charity than the president does:

    Trump called these Eagles players “UnAmerican:”▪️ Chris Long – donated ALL 16 of his game checks to charity. ▪️Carson Wentz – raises money for Haiti.▪️ Malcolm Jenkins – visits with police and lobbies for criminal justice reform.— Mikel Jollett (@Mikel_Jollett) June 5, 2018

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    FlyingToaster says:

    Is the Secret Service going to search the attendees for batteries?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    I wonder how Trump supporters and these flag-waving NFL idiots would react to being called the un-American ones? What would they say or do when subjected to that stereotypical hectoring McCartheist tone?

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    waspuppet says:

    “Your team won’t be here, but come anyway and celebrate MEEEEE!”

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    Kay says:

    Mueller moves to rescind Manafort’s release conditions over alleged witness tampering

    These kinds of stories rattle me because they really believe they are above the law- which on bad days makes me think “maybe they are and we just don’t know it yet”

    “throw me in prison! I dare you!” I don’t know-crazy or just better informed?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Kay: This is fine. We play by their rules.

    Summary executions.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: They get very upset, very quickly.

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    SFAW says:

    Small size of the Eagles? Right.

    It ain’t for nothing I call him Lying Littledick.

    Actually, I think it would be good humor if all the Iggles went, and they each had a black glove to use in the appropriate manner during the National Anthem.

    ETA: Oh, and fuck the NFL owners, with the possible exception of the Johnsons.

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    Mike J says:

    Philly Mayor’s CoS

    Jane Slusser@janeslusser
    Our party was bigger than yours #FlyEaglesFly

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    NotMax says:

    More numbers from the sidelines.

    “Wait just a goldang minute. Isn’t that Sarah Sanders under the shoulderpads and helmet?”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Kay: Just keep moving on.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    can any lawyers explain to me how Mrs P screwed up here, as Laura Rozen (seems to me) suggests. Did she just in effect make a public declaration that her husband is guilty? Can that affect sentencing? a third party, even a spouse, saying something like this outside of court?

    Laura Rozen @ lrozen
    who told her to do this before Mueller pre sentence doc?

    Fox News @ FoxNews
    George Papadopoulos’ wife Simona Mangiante Papadopoulos: “I trust and hope and ask to President Trump to pardon him.”

    does any of it matter when the president is unchecked by congress, a sense of shame, or a sense of history?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: This one is less thinking one is above the law and more thinking one is smarter than he is and, even more importantly, smarter than Mueller.

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    NotMax says:


    “Oh my goodness, and done up in blackface too!”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I’m assuming that Eagles jerseys will be distributed to White House staff and interns so they can blend in with the crowd.

    And, like everyone else, I think Trump will rue the day he invited fans from Philadelphia anywhere. These are the people who booed Santa Claus, FFS.

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    Adam L Silverman says:


    Oh, and fuck the NFL owners, with the possible exception of the Johnsons

    Isn’t that what johnsons are for?//

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    TS (the original) says:

    Sports teams flocked to the Obama White House. Trump not coping with yet another way President Obama was way way ahead of the moron.

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    Feebog says:

    Just another example of taking his ball and bat and going home because he could’nt play the position he wanted. He is an embarrassment to the nation. I get why people get worn down, but we need to keep on keeping on.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @Mary G:

    Philadelphia fans are touchy

    Actually they seem to be dismissing him as a racist nut job.

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    NotMax says:


    Look for the ones with the word Eagles misspelled.

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    chopper says:


    and jerseys on backwards. and waving a pennant that says “SPORTS”, homer simpson style.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    “Don’t take off the tags! We have to return these to Foot Locker by 6 o’clock!”

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    jk says:

    Peckerhead-In-Chief found the small size of the Eagles group coming to be “unsatisfactory” because it reminded him of his tiny penis.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Amanda Carpenter @ amandacarpenter
    Why did Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Hope Hicks, and Jay Sekulow lie about the Trump Tower meeting? Most likely because Trump told them to lie. And that’s what we are all dancing around.

    Who’s we? Who’s dancing?

    Joan Walsh posted something a while back about Hope Hicks refusing trump’s calls and referring all communication to her lawyers. Did Walsh ever back that up, or do we just toss that in the Big, If True rumor file.

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    hilts says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    For the win and fuck our thumbsucker in chief.

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    lgerard says:

    Even with shoulder pads and a helmet Stephen Miller is not going to make a very convincing football player

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    I’m really, really fucking tired of these two-bit rat fuck soulless criminals pissing all over the few things left in this life that I actually care about.

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    Kay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    But, wow. That’s ballsy. There’s a third possibility. He’s absolutely desperate. Has nothing to lose. There’s been constant speculation that he can’t get out of this- that he’s damned if he cooperates and damned if he doesn’t. Guess he’s more afraid of his criminal associates than he is of federal prison. I mean, Christ, how do you get on the wrong side of lobbying? The legal variety is not lucrative enough? Half the people in Trump’s orbit are making out like bandits and they managed not to get indicted.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: She went on the Frozen Dinner Trust Fund Bow Tied Baby Hour of Glower Power and told Tucker that her husband was innocent despite pleading guilty, that he only accepted the plea because Mueller threatened to nail him for lobbying for Israel without registering under FARA, and then asked the President to pardon him. So she didn’t say he was guilty. She said he was innocent. That whatever he allocuted to in his plea deal is false as he’s really innocent and was intended to prevent being charged with something else and that the President should therefore pardon him immediately.

    Apparently this is a variant of the crap that Flynn’s idiot kid and other supporters are pushing on right wing social media and right wing online media that Flynn isn’t guilty, that the DOJ IG investigation will prove this, that he pled falsely, that Mueller withheld this from his defense attorneys, and that even if he doesn’t withdraw that plea, the DOJ or Congress or the President should intervene to void it and set him free. Senator Grassley is, apparently, somewhat accepting of this as he’s trying to get some FBI agent that is supposed to have been interviewed by the IG to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee based on the social media campaign that this agent supposedly told the IG that Flynn never lied to the FBI and that Comey and others just made that up.

    The problem with these people, including Grassley and whoever on his staff teed this up for him, can’t distinguish fantasy from reality.

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    stinger says:

    Doesn’t anybody in that White House know how to write? That stupid Statement starts in third person (“their president”, “he”) and ends in first person (“I will be there”).

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    That’s the long and the short of it.

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    Kay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    They probably have to get rid of Sanders. She’s just too dirty at this point. Rotate her out! Reached the lie limit!

    There’s another one waiting in the wings. They’re probably vying for her slot.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @hilts: Someone had to say it.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Frozen Dinner Trust Fund Bow Tied Baby Hour of Glower Power

    Bravo, good sir! That’s quality right there!

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @FlyingToaster: Then again John Bolton could get a fake beard, and a red suit, and play Santa Claus, that should get the Eagles’ fans spirits up!

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    Raoul says:

    @Kay: I was assuming desperation as well. Chris Geidner has some highlighted text that says that at least one subject of the effort to suborn perjury (‘D1’) promptly stopped taking Manafort’s calls.

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    Kay says:


    Do President’s usually use that? “Their” President? Isn’t that something someone else has to say about you? WE say “our President. It doesn’t go the other way.

    I’m probably just adjusting to the President using it in an insult. Imagine penning this shit. You worked your whole life to churn out this mean-spirited bullshit for Donald Trump? Congrats! Such an honor.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lgerard: He’s the first down marker.

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    JanieM says:


    I think Trump will rue the day he invited fans from Philadelphia anywhere.

    What makes you think there will be any real fans in attendance, rather than a crowd of movie extras hired for the purpose?

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    sdhays says:

    @stinger: No.


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    Raoul says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The problem is that these people including Grassley and his staff actively do not want to distinguish fantasy from reality. In fact they are investing in fantasy. Or, more accurately, propaganda.

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    Kay says:


    They’re really turning obstruction into an art. How many ways can they possibly thwart this investigation?

    For innocent people they sure act guilty.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: Manafort has been on US Federal law enforcement’s and US intelligence radars for decades because of who he was working for overseas and who he was working with both overseas and here at home. But he was never considered to be a priority until now. His network of connections is very well mapped and understood. He’s toast. His only hope is to cut a deal that gives him, his wife, and his kids complete immersion witness protection as part of his plea deal. Regardless of what he decides to do, he will never spend another day as a free man.

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    Jeffro says:


    Just another example of taking his ball and bat and going home because he could’nt play the position he wanted. He is an embarrassment to the nation. I get why people get worn down, but we need to keep on keeping on.

    Keeping on…starting with wresting that bat from him and employing it in a sideways manner repeatedly…then in a vertical manner…lather, rinse, repeat…

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Brain Bleach, stat!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Kay: Do ignore what people said in other threads. You make me tired.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay: That’s what I just cranked about in a thread or two downstairs. He’s no more “their” president than he is “their” plumber. He’s the president of the whole country – they owe him exactly zero personal loyalty, save that which he earns by his efforts and his respecting his own office. Which is to say….zero.

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    Kay says:

    No members of the Eagles kneeled last year, but most didn’t want to go to the White House

    I almost like this better. They should tell him it isn’t about the protest. They just really dislike him and don’t feel like spending an hour with him. Yuck. No thanks.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ben Cisco: I was at the gym. I timed this evening’s workout so I wouldn’t miss the first period of the hockey game by doing cardio during the first 20 minutes of the game. Unfortunately the TVs are set to: TV 1 (left most) ESPN, TV2 (just left of center) local NBC affiliate on which I watched the hockey game as it was right in front of the arc trainer, TV 3 (just right of center) CNN – Anderson Cooper’s show at that hour, and TV 4 (farthest to the right TV) Fox, which had Freezer Burned Bow Tie’s show on. So I caught her schtick with the closed captioning. That’s the only reason I actually have any idea what she was talking about.

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    NotMax says:

    Experimenting. Rich chocolate pudding cake in the oven. Replaced the chocolate chips with dried blueberries.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Raoul: Senator Grassley, the finest county commissioner to ever serve in the US Senate!

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    James Powell says:


    I welcome this kind of investigation because people have got to know whether or not their President is a crook. Well, I’m not a crook.

    Richard M Nixon

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    A line I thought I’d never write: Go Iggles!

    Any other Caps fans feeling very confused that they haven’t choked yet?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @A Ghost To Most: I’m not a Caps fan, but they have played very, very well. They’ve also been helped by the fact that the Knights have now hit the post somewhere between 15 and 20 times in 4 games and can’t seem to buy a bounce.

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    eric says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Looks like overcharging is going to be the PR defense for the future. Forces good people to plead guilty for things they did not do.

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    stinger says:

    @Kay: I agree completely. It smacks of “Because I’m your father, that’s why.” Appeal to authority is all he’s got, even when it’s totally inappropriate.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Kay: That’s how all civilized people should treat Trump. Reject his invitations and publicly denounce him. It gets under his thin skin that he is hated outside of his bigoted bubble.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Adam L Silverman: After all those years of the bounces going against them, maybe finally …

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    El Caganer says:

    It’s gonna be a hell of a party: a 30-second recording of the national anthem, then an hour-long ad lib speech from the President about his yooge Electoral College win, Crooked Hillary, and the 13 Democrats running the Special Counsel’s investigation. Also too, all the Philadelphia Eagles who are actually members of MS-13.

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    Barbara says:


    I was assuming desperation as well.

    According to the WaPo, Manafort and his unnamed associate, most likely Konstantin Kilimnik, tried to contact two people to get them to lie for him. This is so brazen and so stupid that it is either the product of desperation, or, possibly, done at the urging of people who have never needed a lot of finesse to successfully engage in witness tampering.

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    SFAW says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Isn’t that what johnsons are for?//

    Would it be considered ill-mannered of me to mention that one of the Johnson brothers is known as “Woody”?
    [And fuck Dennis Miller, by the way.]

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    stinger says:

    @NotMax: Oh my. That sounds amazing.

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    @Adam L Silverman: One out of four. Not a horrible ratio. Our lunchroom has two – one set to ESPN, the other to Faux. I’m told that Fox is on to preclude lingering…

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    opiejeanne says:

    Oh fuck! Michael Milken is yapping to us about prostate cancer. He needs to keep his head down and his mouth shut. .

    ETA: He’s talking to Victor Rojas at the Angels /Royals game

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    Kay says:


    This is hysterical:

    They were married in 2014, following a 10-year courtship, yet the couple still act like newlyweds. They frequently hold hands during the interview, especially after one compliments the other, which happened often, sprinkled in-between good-natured volleys of gentle ribbing. Saccharine? Perhaps, but there wasn’t a hint of contrivance. And while they are quick to say that Westchester has come to represent a sanctuary for them, realistically, there is no corner of the globe where they can completely escape the glare of their family’s polarizing spotlight. While Lara does say there was a time, years ago, when she and Eric easily flew under the radar within the county, Eric’s father becoming the 45th POTUS essentially ended the era of anonymity.

    It’s all like that. It’s not a real magazine though. It’s the Westchester Magazine. If it’s not free it should be.

    From the glass-half-full department, Eric adds that any upheaval that resulted from his father’s election came, for him, at a “perfect turning point.” His secure private life provides a stable base, allowing him to focus both on his job with The Trump Organization and being with his nuclear family. When Eric says, “Family is what matters to me,” one can easily detect the sincerity. He scrolls through his phone to find his “favorite video in the world,” which is customarily adorable footage of his son in some sort of “bouncy” swing.

    He’s handsomer than he looks! What does that even mean?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I like this guy

    Brian Schatz @ brianschatz
    The fact that the Eagles were disinvited to the White House shows us that Republican sabotage of healthcare is costing millions of people thousands of dollars every year.

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    Raoul says:

    @Origuy: That’s awesome. My partner and I (well, mostly he on violin, I just dink around on a cajón) go jam with some friends occasionally, focusing mostly on Scottish folk music. But our friends we play with have visited India a couple times, so I just shared the link with them. Good to have a break from the political madness. Thanks!

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    hilts says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    That’s how all civilized people should treat Trump.

    I’d like to see the Washington Capitals turn down the White House visit and hopefully the Golden State Warriors will skip it like they did last year.

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    randy khan says:


    You’ve got to figure Manafort is desperate, but really trying to influence witnesses who’ve already been interviewed by the FBI is extremely stupid, too.

    He’s obviously scared of all of the reasonably possible outcomes, including what will happen to him (and maybe his family) if he cooperates, so he’s flailing.

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    Kay says:

    Gabriel Sherman

    Verified account

    5h5 hours ago
    Fox ad execs are having difficulty selling ads for Hannity and Laura Ingraham. “The pro-Trump thing isn’t working,” one staffer says. “We can’t monetize DACA and the wall and that right-wing shit.”

    I wish I believed it but I don’t. With what they pay these people they have to be generating revenue somehow.

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    hilts says:


    Doesn’t anybody in that White House know how to write? That stupid Statement starts in third person (“their president”, “he”) and ends in first person (“I will be there”).

    This statement is vintage Trump: infantile and needy.

    Every day, Trump does something that reminds me of an ape in the zoo flinging his own excrement at visitors.

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    MikeifromArlington says:

    He won in PA no?

    This can’t play well there.

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    Mike in DC says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Eh, I dunno. With good behavior, I think Paulie could get early release…a few years after the heat death of the universe.

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    stinger says:

    @Kay: I love the comments on that article.

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    Duane says:

    @TS (the original): Trump’s pettiness is one of his best qualities. He doesn’t get that a president should be above this behavior. It really is a sight to see.

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    Peale says:

    @JanieM: we should start a conspiracy that Trump is hiring the same crisis actors who stage school shootings.

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    Wapiti says:

    @Kay: I think that ad revenue might have been more plentiful in the past. Consumers are going after companies that buy the ads, and the companies are getting more particular about when (on what show) the ads run. I also think Fox’s is facing demographic problems, if the young-uns don’t care to watch washed up right-wing olds rant about Democrats. There’s something on their phone that’s more interesting.

    The high-dollar contracts might have been signed when Fox was flying high, with 8 years of outrage about a black guy in the White House, and the promise of 8 years of hated Hillary, their favorite enemy.

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    @Kay: That’s like when Mark Twain said “I’m told that Wagner’s music is better than it sounds”.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @Origuy: That was quite good

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    Kay says:


    I also think Fox’s is facing demographic problems, if the young-uns don’t care to watch washed up right-wing olds rant about Democrats. There’s something on their phone that’s more interesting.

    We’ve been saying that for years, though, and they just get richer and richer. There has to be an upper limit to the grift. How big a chunk of our economy is just pure grift at this point? I called the peak in 2012 and it’s much bigger now.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Do you have to be such a downer, Kay? I mean, Christ, why did you comment about it here if you didn’t believe it?

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    GxB says:


    He’s handsomer than he looks! What does that even mean?

    It’s a zen statement – to which I would say “He would have to be.”

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    Oklahomo says:

    @El Caganer: It would be perfect if he had Roseanne come and sing the anthem.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: I hope you’re fucking joking.

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    Platonailedit says:

    The #Eagles never stayed in the Locker room for the anthem nor did they take a knee during the 2017 regular season. Don’t let this man lie to you. An Eagles player did however donate his ENTIRE salary towards fighting injustice.

    — Emmanuel Acho (@thEMANacho) June 5, 2018

    Nothing but lies, lies, lies. What a scummy pos.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone: No, I’m not joking. The emo routine is starting to grate. I don’t mind some venting but this is starting to become excessive and depressing.

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    Wapiti says:


    How big a chunk of our economy is just pure grift at this point? I called the peak in 2012 and it’s much bigger now.

    No lie. Income inequality + big tax break for the top earners = more free money for grifting.

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    Yutsano says:

    @John Revolta: I dunno if Twain actually said that, but whoever did is right.

    And since sportsball thread…RIP Dwight.

    EDIT: fixed link. Sorry for any confusion.

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    justawriter says:

    Perfect thing would be for the team to set up a meal station for the homeless in Lafayette Park during the “event.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @SFAW: No it would not.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: You were recently talking about buying a gun because you thought it would be cool.
    I really don’t want to hear from you about someone who is on the ground doing their thing week in and week out. Omnes can have his own opinions if he wants to choke his chicken. But don’t try it on as it’s a bad look for you.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: They generate revenue on other shows. And, apparently they’ve recently ramped up their ad prices on their broadcast network, which was reported as part of the coverage of them picking up the WWE, as the broadcast network brings in a lot of revenue. Especially the sports they broadcast. Murdoch treats his news properties as loss leaders to influence politics to achieve his own ideological goals. None of his non tabloid newspapers anywhere make a profit. They never have. He subsidizes them from the tabloid sales, his broadcast network and movie studios, and his ownership stake in Sky satellite network.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Splitting Fox from News Corp and the impending sale of Fox Studios to either Disney or Comcast (depending on the day of the week) are making those cross-subsidies harder. I assume most of this is the younger Murdochs splitting up their father’s empire but I haven’t read much Kremlinology on the topic.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:

    You were recently talking about buying a gun because you thought it would be cool.

    That was like 2 months ago. Old news and I reconsidered. Thanks for dredging that up.

    I don’t mean to be an asshole on this. I just get really depressed when I read eeyore stuff like that

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    Platonailedit says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: Kay is telling the truth about this fucking treasonous admin breaking every norm, every rule, every day. If you find that ‘depressing’, that is your problem, not hers. She is a dedicated dem activist in her real life. Are you?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @B.B.A.: Fox broadcast isn’t being sold, just the movie side and their catalogue. It’ll wind up being Disney that wins on this from what I’ve seen of how Comcast structured their offer.

    As for the sons, my understanding is they are far more moderate to liberal than their father and realize they have to manage this mess once he becomes unable to run the business or passes away. And part of their ongoing concern is their inability to get any traction with Parliament for approval of their bid to purchase the majority stake in Sky satellite broadcasting. Fox News channel and Fox Business channel are already banned in the EU as the EU regs actually have a written standard about what actually constitutes news. And neither Fox News or Fox Business pass the test. So whatever they can shed for actual dollars and then bank is a hedge for what they expect is the eventual ending of the cash cow that was Fox News as it was created and has existed through to today.

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    @Yutsano: There are many fake Twain quotes out there. Revolta don’t quote ’em. Twain said it.
    Now, whether he was the FIRST one to say it…………………………………….

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    Corner Stone says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: The guy just said over the weekend he is above the law. I don’t see anyone in power/with power saying he is not. I guess we could wait and see.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    That’s all fine and good. But could she do it in a less defeatist/fatalist tone all the time? Like it’s a forgone conclusion that Trump et all will prevail no matter what we do? That’s the impression she (and others) gives.

    This is coming from someone who usually enjoys reading her posts for her perspective.

    And yes, I am looking into doing more volunteering than I have in the past.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Mary G:

    Trump called these Eagles players “UnAmerican:”▪ Chris Long – donated ALL 16 of his game checks to charity. ▪Carson Wentz – raises money for Haiti.▪ Malcolm Jenkins – visits with police and lobbies for criminal justice reform.— Mikel Jollett

    Well, what could be more Un-American (circa 2018) than helping others?

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    Yutsano says:

    @John Revolta: Noted. I’m glad to have similar taste to Sam.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Trump ain’t going to win this. Tearing down the rule of law will rebound on him. They won’t get away with it forever because nothing lasts forever. He’ll get his eventually.

    There is a limit. We just don’t see it yet. Eventually, when things get bad enough people will turn on him and he will be overthrown, even if he somehow crowns himself King. The trade war making the economy go sideways will be for starters.

    I’m not saying this isn’t going to get bad, but there is always a dawn after the night. Reality has a way of catching up with us. Trump, the GOP, and their voters are no different

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    jl says:

    @John Revolta: Twain usually gave credit when he quoted or adapted good snark, but then he would rephrase it in a way, or put int a context, that made it a Twain quote forever after.

    I typed in ‘Twain Wagner’ and this was the first thing that came up, a complete dang history of the quote:

    Wagner’s Music Is Really Much Better Than It Sounds

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    Platonailedit says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    defeatist/fatalist tone all the time

    Nice projection there. While you are ‘looking into’ volunteering, she has been there, done that. For years. Suggest you respect that before you start to whine about her posts.

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    Jager says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You can have big numbers, like Hannity has, and you can’t sell them. That’s a big problem for broadcasters. In my old business, radio, Michael Savage gets big numbers and you can’t give him away. When I was working on the corporate level, dealing with multiple stations and multiple formats, I had a sales manager come to me and say, “I can’t even put spins (free commercials) in Savage, nobody wants them. Clients who knew what they were doing didn’t want to be tainted by guys like Savage, Murdoch’s sons know how this works even if the old man is willing to look the other way.

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    jl says:

    Another good tweet by Torrey Smith on Trump’s hateful BS.

    @TorySmith WR
    So many lies smh
    Here are some facts
    1. Not many people were going to go
    2. No one refused to go simply because Trump “insists” folks stand for the anthem
    3. The President continues to spread the false narrative that players are anti military

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    How am I projecting? That’s what I fucking see in her posts. I said I generally liked her posts. I just think she’s being a downer and could be more positive. But I guess that’s “whining” according to you.

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    PJ says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: what, are you Omnes’ factotum now, commenting when he is unavailable?

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    jl says:

    And another one, that I thought was in the top post, but looks like not:

    There are a lot of people on the team that have plenty of different views. The men and women that wanted to go should’ve been able to go. It’s a cowardly act to cancel the celebration because the majority of the people don’t want to see you. To make it about the anthem is foolish

    Edit: contrast between Trump and Smith. Smith is a a thoughtful adult, who can communicate in a thoughtful responsible way. Trump is cheap dishonest demagogue, incapable of doing or saying an adult thoughtful responsible thing.

    Edit2: And apparently Smith feels badly for those who wanted to go to the WH, and he is bothered by the president lying his ass off to the whole country. Man, that Torrey Smith is out of step with the times, huh?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jager: Yep. And thank you for explaining it, based on actual expertise, far better than I did.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    No, I just share some of his opinions.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: If you’re tired, go to bed. You had a point that Kay can sink into hopelessness occasionally, but she doesn’t have to acknowledge and validate your criticism if she doesn’t want to. Persisting in personal harassment until she does is an assholish thing to do.

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    @jl: This all reminds me of another favorite. Miles Davis used to get criticized for stealing musicians from other guys’ bands. His answer was: “That’s what you’re supposed to do, when you’re on top”.

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    jl says:

    @John Revolta: Handel stole so much that it became a joke, and then people started joking about Handel stealing from himself, I think mixing his secular sexytime operatic tunes with his religious oratorios, which bothered the straight laced English. Bach stole a lot of stuff from Vivaldi. So stealing beats is as old as music.

    Thing about Twain is that every time I’ve looked into those dodgy Twain quotes, he did give credit, just somehow, he would rephrase or put in a funnier context and it became a Twain quote.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: Look at your own fucking posts on ‘how depressing it is all to read her posts’ in this thread. Get fucking real.

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    Yutsano says:

    @jl: Mozart was a HUGE thief off Haydn and Salieri. Their rivalry wasn’t just made up for the movie. Hell Salieri confessed on his deathbed he murdered Mozart but it wasn’t necessarily physical. Salieri ruined him at court.

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    Jager says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I had an Air America station, one of 2 in the country that made money, A lot of clients didn’t want to be associated with liberal talk either. I had a meeting with a big auto group owner one afternoon, he was bitching about the format. I finally asked him if he checked voter ID when he sold a car. He said “No”, I asked him if he really cared about his customers political views, once again, “No”. That gave me the chance to show him the demographics, the income, etc. of the audience and how it was much better than the conservative talk audience. He bought a healthy schedule, he sold cars, he made money. We went out for dinner and drinks one night, he told, me, “The station works but I still get a lot of shit from my friends.” I asked if he cared. He said “No.”

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Ok, I reread my own posts. What’s your point? That I’m saying in this particular thread that I think she’s accentuating the negative?

    I commented to her plenty of times in the past and agreed with her. She has a tendency to lapse into hopelessness. She probably won’t feel the same way in the next few days.

    I mean, maybe I should be a little more understanding. Everyone has their limits. I don’t know, I’m feeling pretty tired so perhaps I should just go to bed. Sometimes I get irritable when I’m tired. I’m sorry if I came across as an asshole. I do respect Kay and her years of experience.

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    jl says:

    @Yutsano: IIRC Mozart admitted he used Haydn’s string quartets as models, until he figured out how to write them on his own. In fact, I think he wrote pretty much that to the preface of the published manuscript for the first quartet he wrote that he felt was his own, rather than a take-off of Haydn

    It’s can be anachronistic to transport our current ideas of intellectual property and the value of originality back into the past that far.

    I guess it’s always been about money, though. Back then, they didn’t get so upset about stealing tunes, but if anyone was selling sheet music of a composer’s popular tunes and not paying royalties, they got very mad about that. That was where the money was back then, when composers started venturing out from living off rich or royal patrons.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    And with that I’m out for the night and heading to bed!

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    SectionH says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Wut? I just got here.

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    NobodySpecial says:

    It’s harder for Kay to be optimistic because she lives in the armpit of the Midwest. I factor that into her tone. Perhaps others should do the same instead of complaining needlessly.

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    SectionH says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: after almost 2 entire days offline, I admit my first reaction is to spend moar days offline, but we’ve got an election here tomorrow, so tomorrow is already offline too. Fuck bright-eyed, I just have to figure out how to vote on some of the stupider local initiatives. And flip a coin between the “best” Not Newsome candidates. I mean Chiang and Villaragosa.

    Otherwise, at this point, I’m still supporting Doug Applegate for CA-49, but I don’t live there, so fingers crossed. I’m more concerned about the SD County Supervisor seat for District 4 because I live there, and Omar Passons is what the county policy fucking supervisors need. I don’t agree with him 100% but oh yeah, that’s just fine.

    Also too, if Nathan fucking Fletcher sends me any more glossy mailers, I’m not responsible for my actions.

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    SectionH says:

    dupe, sorry

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    SectionH says:

    @NobodySpecial: Damn straight!

    My take is Kay has been doing brilliant commentary* – and even adding a few bits of hope now and then.

    I saw both Missouri and Kentucky voters basically lose their minds over race, except for the cities in both states (and sometimes in cities too). Not the same years, mind you, it took manymany years of poison on the airwaves, but yeah…

    eta *and I adore her “just the facts, the basic human questions, the complete low key, over and over, basic questions. OMG, I want her on my side if I ever need something to do with court.

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    Sab says:

    @NobodySpecialI think Kay is trying to emphasize that none of this is normal. If we ignore it or downplay it, there is the distinct danger it will become a new normal.

    My state rep, from a distinguished Ohio AA political family, has trouble getting into buildings in the state capital because “she doesn’t look like a legislator”. (see TPM).

    WTF. My city elects a competent legislator. She cannot get into meetings and hearings. Essentially, we are disenfranchised. Because some security guards don’t like her looks. If you have seen her, she is pretty conservative looking except for the slightly trendy glasses.

    Apparently a recognizably typical drunk aged out former frat boy is what the Ohio capitol security recognize as a legislator. (There are lots of those.) A respectable, serious AA young woman strikes them as weird.

    These are not normal times. We shouldn’t pretend that they are. Sorry if it depresses you. It scares the shit out of me, so I am energized to fight it, rather than complaining about people mentioning it online.

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    SectionH says:

    @Sab: Mr S grew up in Yellow Gulch, which was always a scary weird Liberal place to most of Ohio, but otoh the fucking DeWines were from there too. Never mind most of the ppl who had to deal with them in YSprings loathed anything Dewine.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Like it’s a forgone conclusion that Trump et all will prevail no matter what we do? That’s the impression she (and others) gives.

    No that’s the conclusion you reach have read her news/interpretation. I don’t agree with your interpretation all that much. So lighten up!

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    Gvg says:

    @Kay: no Kay, they aren’t above the law.

    The simplest explanation for their actions is most likely the truth. These are not smart guys. They aren’t good at foreseeing consequences that are sometimes years down the road but we’re always likely. Now they are facing trouble and they don’t have a way out so they are trying stupid things.

    Some of the things they got away with before because they were little fish and law enforcement always has limited resources but they learned the wrong lessons and tried a bigger crime. Other things not planned for were projected demographic changes.

    You notice mainly institutions that fail. Don’t forget the ones who don’t. Mueller is still there. A real dictatorship would never have allowed it to get going. Lots of Trump orders and laws still getting stopped cold. Law suits still happening. Stormy Dnaiels lawyer, Parkman kids are able to speak up. Big protest marches. My Florida governor is trying to be nice to us now he wants a Senate seat and funding things instead of cutting. He now realizes he needs to be nice to voters. Not being nice to their own voters is going to bite a few jerks real soon, which proves voters still matter.

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    trnc says:


    Is the Secret Service going to search the attendees for batteries?

    i’ve seen a few battery references. Did i miss a news story involving batteries, or is this a reference to Chuck McGill in “Better Call Saul?”

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    Kay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I didn’t read your comment in the other thread because I didn’t see it. I don’t read all the comments.

    This is what I think right now and it feels dishonest to portray it as more upbeat. Frankly, it also feels patronizing for people to be explaining to me that there are still prosecutors or whatever- I’m aware of that. I’m familiar with the basic structure of government. I’m willing to act as cheerleader (a role I’m also familiar with and sometimes enjoy- I often end up with it), but not always, and not everywhere because that’s not my job here. I don’t have a job here. These are just my opinions at this time so perhaps you’re right and I shouldn’t comment until I have better news or I actually believe it’s more optimistic.

    *Thanks eemom. As you know, I love you too :)

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    NobodySpecial says:

    @Sab: I’m not the one complaining. That’s Goku. I’m noting that being in Ohio, where there was always a bumper crop of pro-slavery conservative assholes, tends towards more downbeat stuff at times.

    As far as I can see, though, this has been the normal GOP for most of my adult life. More priapsis than normal, but that’s what we get for giving them all the government levers. A few more months and we start fixing that problem but good.

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    r€nato says:

    President Snowflake von Betacuck took his ball and went home. WAAAAAAAHHHHHH

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    The Other Chuck says:

    God as my witness, I initially thought he was talking about The Eagles, as in the band.

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