Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Hey, Remember Hurricane Maria?


 
New hurricane season begins on Friday, June 1st…

More than eight months after Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico, the island’s slow recovery has been marked by a persistent lack of water, a faltering power grid and a lack of essential services — all imperiling the lives of many residents, especially the infirm and those in remote areas hardest hit in September…

The Harvard findings indicate that health-care disruption for the elderly and the loss of basic utility services for the chronically ill had significant impacts, and the study criticized Puerto Rico’s methods for counting the dead — and its lack of transparency in sharing information — as detrimental to planning for future natural disasters. The authors called for patients, communities and doctors to develop contingency plans for such disasters.

Researchers in the mainland United States and Puerto Rico, led by scientists at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, calculated the number of deaths by surveying almost 3,300 randomly chosen households across the island and comparing the estimated post-hurricane death rate to the mortality rate for the year before. Their surveys indicated that the mortality rate was 14.3 deaths per 1,000 residents from Sept. 20 through Dec. 31, 2017, a 62 percent increase in the mortality rate compared with 2016, or 4,645 “excess deaths.”…

Maria, which caused $90 billion in damage, was the third-costliest tropical cyclone in the United States since 1900, the Harvard researchers said.

They also said that timely and accurate estimates of death tolls are critical to understanding the severity of disasters and targeting recovery efforts. And knowing the extent of the impact “has additional importance for families because it provides emotional closure, qualifies them for disaster-related aid and promotes resiliency,” they said.

The researchers noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that deaths can be directly attributed to storms such as Maria if they are caused by forces related to the event, whether it is flying debris or loss of medical services…


I’m sure the GOP will step up to greet this ongoing tragedy with their usual warmth…

128 replies
  1. 1
    barb 2 says:

    This high death toll isn’t a surprise. As we all know PR is an island and there was basically no place for people to go. Homes in the tropics are built to be cool — to allow air flow. Poor folks don’t have the money to build hurricane resistant. Hurricane winds drive rain side ways – under over and in any space.

    On top of Maria the racist assh*le bastard in the WH refused to relent on the tariff US island citizens must pay to rich shipping billionaires — 16 % for island residents like Hawaii & PR. Everything is 16% more expensive because of an old law — shipping by US owned transports only.

    Trump is guilty of murder — motive — racism.

    Racism kills.

  2. 2
    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning Everyone 😄 😄😄

  3. 3
    rikyrah says:

    I told you repeatedly:

    They were trying to kill these American Citizens 😠😠😠

  4. 4
    Amir Khalid says:

    It was rightly said then that Trump’s malicious neglect of Americans in need was more than enough grounds to remove him from office. When Democrats have taken back Congress (touch wood) this needs to be high on the list of charges in the bill for his impeachment. It could head its own section of charges related to negligence toward the welfare of Americans.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Drumpf has been on office 1 year and 4 months and not once has the Village said, “This is his Katrina”.

    Even when an actual “Katrina” happens.

    Yet, the Village would say “This is Obama’s Katrina” every 10 seconds.

  6. 6
    NotMax says:

    But – but – he pitched a few rolls of paper towels at some off-whitish people.

    (And, IIRC, had to be dissuaded on the spot from doing the same with canned goods.)

  7. 7
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    So the Republican in that last video wants to construct actual, honest to dog FEMA camps? I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

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    Cermet says:

    That this isn’t headline news in every honest major newspaper says far more about the media than about the orange fart cloud; he and his asswipe followers are expected to care less about human life but that twice 9-11’s occurred and the papers consider this pretty much yesterday’s news speaks volumes.

  9. 9
    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 😊!

    I read the news reports of that study aloud to a couple of people at the market yesterday. It’s bad enough that it happened and continues to happen; but for me the biggest travesty is that, like in Flint, the news media treated it as a story for a couple of days and then moved on as they always do. And non-news junkie regular folks just forget, assuming if there was a crisis they would hear about it on the news. That, combined with how quickly services get restored to richer, whiter areas allows them to assume things are fine.

  10. 10
    satby says:

    @Cermet: @satby: We’re on the same page. The “news media” in this country has become the enemy of our democracy.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Users on Twitter mocked comedian Roseanne Barr after she appeared to blame a combination of the sleep medication Ambien and Memorial Day for the racist tweet that prompted ABC to cancel her show. (link)

    someone who ran for the Green Party presidential nomination in 2012 and who used to be a frequent guest on RT News turned out to be racist.

    HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCOOOOOOOOOOONODE!?!

  12. 12
    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Greatest Unmatched Living Accommodation Garrisons.

    GULAGs, for short.

  13. 13
    satby says:

    And why did it take a study by Harvard when a journalist could have, and IMO should have, broken this story earlier. That’s the kind of thing journalists used to do when an obvious government lie (64 fatalities) was offered.

    I despise American news media.

  14. 14
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: White privilege is a hell of a drug.

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    NotMax says:

    Is it just me or has stalwart efgoldman been absent from these parts?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: We get the news media we pay for. People have decided that if they can get it for free, why pay? Especially when one can just go to their favorite website/cable channel and never read/hear anything that does not comport with their world view. It is not a surprise the media has degraded.

    And no, I don’t have any answers either.

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    Shalimar says:

    The government death toll has always clearly been a lie. The maddening part is that Republicans’ over-arching message is that government can’t be trusted, so lying when they have control of the government actually benefits them. Evil assholes.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Nice profile of Avenatti at the Guardian:

    “He’s very bright, very thorough, very aggressive,” said William Cornwell, a Florida-based attorney who went up against him. “I didn’t agree with all his tactics. There’s a fine line between what’s generally considered appropriate. He’s going to push the envelope. Would I hire him? Depending on the case, absolutely.”

    Cornwell had another observation, one to chill the White House. “He’s not bluffing, generally, when he makes a threat or a promise.”

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: interesting. I thought she would go straight to wingnut welfare and the free-of-consequences-speech-for-white-people lecture circuit and skip the fake rehab and the fake apology.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: I think comments have dropped off in general, but you’re right, haven’t noticed any from efg.
    Anyone see him in the evening threads?

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    rikyrah says:

    @NotMax:
    You are not wrong😕

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    WereBear says:

    @satby: By systematically firing everyone who isn’t a sell-out, this is what happens.

  23. 23
    NotMax says:

    Used the brand spanking new full size food processor for the first time last night to finely shred some cheddar cheese. In nothing flat.

    Wow. Simply magic.

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    NotMax says:

    @satby

    See a drop-off in numbers at the market due to the heat?

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    debbie says:

    The blood of these 5,000 people are on Trump’s hands. Not enough paper towels to wipe those germs off his pudgy, germaphobic hands.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  27. 27
    debbie says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    How does Memorial Day make her go racist?

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    Baud says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    I wonder if anyone in the media is courageous enough to say, Hillary was right when she called them deplorable. Maybe Joy, but she’s probably not allowed to.

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    satby says:

    @WereBear: yeah. And turning news into a profit center via infotainment. What’s going on with your book?

    @NotMax: Tuesday market attendance was up due to a city-wide festival we were part of for the first time, but I think the festival attendance was way down due to the heat.
    I did better than average, and I had a fan, so it was fine 😌,
    Came home and drank about 1/2 gallon of iced tea to rehydrate though.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    OT, but I’m seeing reports that Bill Browder was arrested in Madrid based on a Russian Interpol warrant. If he gets extradited to Russia he’s a dead man.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    Hillary was right when she spoke of deplorables; Obama was right when he spoke of bitter whites clinging to her guns; Janet Reno (I think) was right when she spoke of right-wing terrorism. See a trend?

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Would Spain do that?

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I think (and could be really wrong, BTW) that the quality of news media declined when offering news as a public service to qualify for a broadcast license was made moot by cable.

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    WereBear says:

    @satby: Yay for iced tea :)

    What’s going on with your book?

    Worked so hard to get it out by deadline that I had a health crash, and it turned out, the emails Amazon had been sending me had the wrong date, or I misunderstood… anyway, the pre-sale was LOCKED when I went to upload the final copy. So it meant people would get the early draft placeholder… and I had to yank it.

    Sigh.

    But the polished version is FAN-FREAKIN-TASTIC, and I will be uploading that for immediate gratification by the end of the week, and everyone who is emailing me distressed that the book got canceled gets my personal thanks :) and good news about how it is only delayed by a few days.

    For the curious, my Amazon Author page.

    But it could be worse… and under Trump, it usually gets that way.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Latest news is that he has been freed.

  36. 36

    @NotMax: How about the clean up? I like my food processor. I even make pizza dough in it. But it always feels like there’s eight parts to clean afterwards.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @debbie: From Trump’s neo-Nuremberg rally in TN last night:

    Psycho.

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    JPL says:

    @debbie: The asshole in chief doesn’t care.

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    JPL says:

    @debbie: For Roseanne, everyday is Memorial Day. Someone on CNN mentioned that she must have taken Ambien since 2013.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: Obviously, the trend is that Democrats are uncivil.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    He’s dissembling. Excellent.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Could be, could very well be.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @NotMax: Yes. I started wondering about efg’s whereabouts yesterday. Sending jackal good thoughts to him.

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    Kay says:

    House Republican candidates are blanketing the airwaves with TV ads embracing a hard line on immigration — a dramatic shift from the midterm elections in 2014, according to a USA TODAY analysis of data from Kantar Media.

    Interesting- that they don’t have anything to run on besides anti-immigrant.

    Also interesting that we haven’t hear any critical analysis on why Republicans are running single issue, wholly negative campaigns. Instead we get criticism of the Democratic campaigns as too anti-Trump.

  46. 46
    Kay says:

    Here’s political analysis you’ll never see:

    “Republicans must come up with a positive agenda. Running single issue anti-Mexican immigrant campaigns won’t work”

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    I think that the Puerto Rico situation confirms that the institutions that once protected our democracy have collapsed or been seriously degraded. Yes, there are still some good journalists out there, but the major institutions that could support and disseminate serious, investigative journalism aren’t. It’s a systems issue, not an accident. Similarly, the hollowing out of professionals in government who know and can do their jobs is a systems issue and not an accident. We have to demand better. Lives have been lost because of the degradation of our institutions and the hatefulness and callousness of those who run them. As a start, we must vote and we must support those who seek and speak the truth.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: The media sucks, but to be fair, Republican voters never complain about the messaging in GOP campaigns and our voters focus on Dem messaging like a laser. The media here is reflecting the interests of the public.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Baud: Respectfully disagree. The media is shaping the interests of the public. By selective emphases and omissions. In service of their paymasters.

  50. 50
    Baud says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    That’s not inconsistent with what I said.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t know- the only people who were complaining about Democrats anti-Trump campaigns were the Jill Stein/Julian Assange wing, and they’re not Democrats. They objected to it because Russian interference was mentioned too much- obviously an awkward situation for them.

    Base Democrats here love anti-Trump campaigns. So it’s “people on social media who aren’t Democrats” and political media.

    Republicans have a base. We’re allowed to have a base too.

  52. 52
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, saw that afterward. Apologies for jumping the gun.

  53. 53
    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Baud: Perhaps not, but I am coming to believe this is a coordinated campaign, which is much more serious and insidious that mere reflection of various party’s tendencies. Why suddenly the spate of op-ed pieces on what the Democrats R DOING RONG? From so many sources and directions? When the corruption and death-dealing evil of the T maladministration and GOP are so freaking blatant! No investigation required, really, it’s front and center. It’s misdirection. It’s gaslighting. It’s complicit and I am coming to believe it’s intentional. Much more serious than following general tendencies within the population.

  54. 54
    Peale says:

    @Kay: yes. But Angry Democrats need to be prevented from voting. Angry white Tea Party is o.k. Angry Puerto Ricans, not so much.

  55. 55
    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    Ohio doesn’t even have a lot of Latino immigrants. It’s never been a political issue here. Yet all GOP Ohio House members are running anti-immigrant ads? It’s just pure negative pandering and if Democrats did it w/Trump it would be the subject of 15 cable news panels.

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    rikyrah says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    They graded this Administration on a curve. He went down there and threw phucking paper towels at them.
    THIS was WORSE THAN KATRINA.
    Anyone with sense could see it.
    They👏 were 👏 trying 👏to 👏 kill👏 these 👏 American 👏 Citizens 👏😠

  57. 57
    chopper says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    “ambien made me a racist” is the new “gastritis broke my calculator”

  58. 58
    Mike in NC says:

    Nobody was surprised when Fat Bastard gave himself an A+ on Puerto Rican relief efforts.

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    Kay says:

    @Peale:

    Right. I love it. Democratic voters must have pure and civic-minded motivation. They must vote for the right reasons. Bringing them out to vote against the mean-spirited, corrupt douchebag is off limits.

    Meanwhile, every Republican in the country is running on “immigrants are animals” and no one even mentions it.

  60. 60
    Baud says:

    @Kay: I have heard lots of complaints from Dems that Dems need a positive message and can’t be just about Trump. Not just from the Stein cohort.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @rikyrah:

    They graded this Administration on a curve.

    Yes, they did this…and worse. By failing to investigate and report the TRUTH, they aided and abetted the deaths of thousands. (So you’re right again, they were trying to kill these American citizens.) It reminds me of the Holomodor. Smaller scale, but still targeted and deadly.

  62. 62
    chopper says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    jesus, what a baby. i’d tell him to grow a pair but he’d spend the next 5 years telling everybody about his balls and how “they’re totally there, believe me”.

  63. 63
    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Baud:

    I have heard lots of complaints from Dems that Dems need a positive message

    I agree and disagree. Dems want better messaging, of course. I’m actually in charge of improving the messaging in our county party. So we’re conducting focus groups to get a sense of what people think is important (among other things). I am fortunate to have an excellent, experienced, and talented group of people working with me. The point is, these people are volunteering and WORKING to improve things, not just pointing fingers at some amorphous institution out there somewhere. These are the real Dems. On the other hand, the people I know who are most vociferous on social media and elsewhere about the Dems’ putative failings are…the Bernistas. They aren’t doing the scutwork it takes to improve things. They’re just tearing the one party between us and complete small-d democratic failure down. Just as they did with Hillary. Perhaps there’s a pattern?

  64. 64
    Kay says:

    If it were one comment she’d still have a show. She’s been saying shit like this for 10 years. She’s a committed birther, for God’s sake. That’s why they got rid of her. If they had kept her on it would have been week after week of selections from Roseanne’s racist comment history and they would have eventually have had to get rid of her.

    The defining feature of high-profile Trump supporters is how nasty and mean-spirited they are, and she’s no exception. He attracts them. But, she was nasty and mean spirited before Trump was President, which is probably true of all of them.

  65. 65

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Why suddenly the spate of op-ed pieces on what the Democrats R DOING RONG?

    This isn’t exactly sudden. It’s been going on as long as I can remember. In the lead-up to every special election so far we were assured we’d turned off our voters and the wave was drying up. Hillary needed a positive message. Obama needed to go out on a speaking tour defending the ACA. Most of the time, the Democrats are actually doing what they’re being chided for not doing.

    @Baud:

    I have heard lots of complaints from Dems that Dems need a positive message and can’t be just about Trump.

    I have noticed that these complaints tend to come from people who are themselves furiously pissed about Trump. We are armchair quarterbacks par excellence.

  66. 66
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I am coming to believe this is a coordinated campaign,

    No. Republicans figured out how to play the media. Democrats haven’t. Use the Avenatti playbook. It works.

  67. 67
    JPL says:

    Where’s Melania? How long does it take for a broken bone to heal?

  68. 68
    sdhays says:

    It just occurred to me that if Democrats net one pickup in the Senate in the midterms so that it’s 50-50, Spanky going all in on trashing McCain just might push him over the top to hand control of the Senate to the Democrats. There’s no doubt that McCain would relish the attention and drama, and toppling Trump would cement his legacy as a “principled maverick”.

    Of course, Spanky leads with his pout, so no concern about potential consequences there…

  69. 69
    Kay says:

    We have a crime here that is about to result in indictments that involves a patriarchal fundamental religious cult, a child death and systemic spousal abuse (the cult wives). Okay so I drive around to 4 different rural courts, and I really did think I had a pretty good sense of the general population of Right wing crazies in these counties but I didn’t even know these people existed and there are (allegedly) 200 of them.

    You just cannot believe how weird people are. The idea that most of them are “normal” might just be wrong. There are a LOT of nuts in this country.

  70. 70
    JPL says:

    @Kay: At this time, it is impossible for Trump’s supporters to ignore his racists rants. There support for him, tells me they don’t care.
    MS-13 is a horrible gang, but it is not a large gang. I read that over four years and 76,000 murders 250 can be attributed to the gang. The reason he shows his concern about them is obvious.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @JPL: At the supermarket last night, all the milk cartons had Melania’s picture.

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    sdhays says:

    @JPL: It’s really weird. I didn’t think much of it before, but now I’m really starting to wonder if her shit husband had something to do with her “real injury”, whatever it was, and photos would trigger some very awkward questions. On the other hand, nothing about it has been leaked yet, so maybe it really is Melanie just saying “fuck you all, I hate being First Lady almost as much as you hate me being First Lady”.

    I hate how these people make what should be absurd conspiracy swamp thinking seem plausible.

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    NotMax says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    Clean-up was fast. Shredding tool detaches in a snap from spinning disk, a different set-up from other units which I believe have a dedicated disk for each task

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    This isn’t exactly sudden. It’s been going on as long as I can remember.

    Fair point. I wonder, though, if this attack – and attack it is – on Democrats and their voters has escalated over the years. I don’t remember such a concerted effort to depress and suppress Democratic voters in earlier decades. Faulty memory? Or a change in scale?

  76. 76
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Heh: How the right is defending Roseanne Barr’s racist tweets

    Tomi Lahren, a high-profile commentator who has previously compared the Black Lives Matter movement to the KKK, tweeted that: “What Roseanne said was wrong. I’m sure she knows that. She made a mistake. I don’t know why fellow conservatives are playing mental gymnastics trying to justify it. Come on. Wrong is wrong.”

    When you lose Tomi Lahren…. All you lose is Tomi Lahren.

  77. 77
    NotMax says:

    @Frankensteinbeck

    if Big Media allotted half the time reporting what Ds are saying and doing that they spend tut-tutting it would be a boon indeed.

  78. 78
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Hey Mitch, hey Paul, Hey all you Republicans in DC, take a hint from the Missouri GOP and grow a pair:

    Missouri’s governor and Republican rising star Eric Greitens abruptly announced his resignation on Tuesday, after a scandal involving an extramarital affair with his former hairdresser that led to a broader investigation by prosecutors and state legislators.

    The 44-year-old governor, known as a brash outsider whose resume as a Rhodes Scholar and Navy Seal officer made him stand out in the party, made the announcement nearly 17 months after taking the oath as Missouri’s state chief executive with a pledge to root out “corrupt career politicians”. The investigations of him widened to include questions about whether he had violated the law in financing his campaign.

    Greitens said his resignation would take effect on Friday.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    No. Republicans figured out how to play the media. Democrats haven’t. Use the Avenatti playbook. It works.

    Agreed that the Avenatti playbook is a good model, and that Republicans figured the game out earlier. But on what basis a flat No? Who is forcing the media to continue rebooting Dems in Disarray stories? Cui bono?

  80. 80
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Good news: US returns $41,000 seized from Texas nurse who planned to open clinic

    A Texas nurse who had $41,000 seized by US customs last autumn as she tried to travel to Nigeria to start a medical clinic has the money back but plans to continue her lawsuit against the government.

    After her case attracted widespread media attention, US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) mailed Anthonia Nwaorie a cheque that she received last Friday.

    “I’m glad to have my money back, but this isn’t over,” she said in a statement. “I want to make sure nobody else has to go through what I’ve been through.”

    And now I have to go endure the 90 degree heat.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Don’t you just put all the parts into the dishwasher? That was what the manufacturer suggested for ours, especially the very, very sharp blade.

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    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Don’t stick forks into electrical outlets.
    Don’t floss with steel wool.
    Don’t vote for a Navy Seal.

    Life lessons.

  83. 83
    Kathleen says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: I totally agree and feel this has been going on a long time. I maintain we had a coup and media were of course were enlisted. It is a coordinated, orchestrated psy ops.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Wow.. He was suspended for five days.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @NotMax: May I ask what brand/model you got? My stalwart early-model Cuisinart gave up the ghost last year after decades of faithful service and I’m unhappy with the Ninja thing I bought in its stead.

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    danielx says:

    @Kay:

    As far as they’re concerned, campaigning on negatives hasn’t cost them a thing so far.

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    NotMax says:

    @opiejeanne

    Have one of those scrubby things with a cylinder attached which holds dishwashing liquid. Did the job lickety-split.

    YMMV, of course, but if I waited to have enough stuff in the dishwasher to justify running it, it would not happen until sometime after St. Swithin’s day. :)

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    @OzarkHillbilly:

    And now I have to go endure the 90 degree heat.

    It’s raining here, light rain(more of drizzle), but we’ll take it. The 90 degree heat will arrive for the weekend.

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    Kay says:

    @sdhays:

    I figured M-13 was not a huge problem.

    I don’t believe a word Trump says- I consider him saying something probably an indication it isn’t true.

    People think the lying from the Trump Administration doesn’t matter, that it won’t do damage, but it will. They harm government credibility every day they are in office and their base is going to become essentially ungovernable.

    The lying is really bad. It will do permanent, structural damage.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    But on what basis a flat No?

    I am coming to believe this is a coordinated campaign

    A coordinated campaign by whom? With all the media bashing going on in this thread (some of it deserved but a lot of it over the top) my inference was that the media was coordinating with the right. The fact is the media needs “clicks”, eyes, whatever. Republicans have figured out how to give them that. That’s all there is to it. The media isn’t in on the game, they are getting played. DEMs can do the same, but all too often they hold back. How in the hell is the fact that Nunes still heads the House Intelligence Committee not a front page story every day? Schiff should be on the capitol steps every day talking about that corrupt mf’er. Do not DEMs have some resources to investigate the fuck out of him? No way is he clean. They could dig up dirt on him and make him toxic to the GOP.

    Of course it’s possible DEMs are afraid the GOP will turn around and do the same to them. Well grow a pair. Michelle says “take the high road” and on any individual campaign I would probably agree, but on the party level basis? They need to take a crowbar to the GOP.

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    NotMax says:

    @O. Felix Culpa

    Of course,. Here ya go. As some of the reviews state, it is amazingly quiet.. And a motor more robust than Cuisinart. Also comes with a sensible cord storage do-hickey built in. (A bit less pricey if one doesn’t include the optional coarse slicing tool which I opted for, see here.) Comes with all sorts of goodies as well as a mini bowl for smaller tasks.

    As mentioned the other day, not particularly wild about its appearance (not a fan of white countertop appliances) but shall be getting a cover for it. Sort of a necessity anyway what with the reddish dust which can blow in when the windows are open.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @JPL:

    How long does it take for a broken bone to heal?

    I suspect this may be intended as snark, but being wet-blanket-guy this morning, I can tell you from experience that it can take a lot longer than you expect.

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    Montanareddog says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The story that needs following up by the media is why did he resign so suddenly? He had been holding out for months in the face of his grotesque sex scandal. Then a court orders him to release the records from his foundation and he resigns within the hour. There must be some seriously ugly shit in those records.

    And my understanding is that the records’ release was due to a suit by the Missouri GOP as part of their impeachment drive. Now that he has resigned, the suit will be dropped so those records do not now need to be released. I wonder if there is anyone else with standing to sue for their release?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: As always, the fuck the fucking NY Times is sui generis in terms of “Oh noes! Democrats in Disarray!” stories.

    Democrats Go All-Out to Avoid Disaster in California House Races

    by Jonathan Martin, Politico alumni, who is a Republican whisperer and their go-to on stories about … Democrats

    IRVINE, Calif. — National Democrats, confronting mushrooming political chaos across Southern California, are pouring millions of dollars into congressional races to avert a self-inflicted disaster that could undermine their chances at taking control of the House.

    After months of optimism that the state’s June 5 primary would position them to pick off seven Republican-held districts in November — a substantial down payment on reclaiming the House — Democrats are now trying to ensure that they do not hurt themselves because of their unusually crowded slates of candidates. [Because of enthusiasm, you fuckers at the Times!]

    With so many Democrats running, the party’s fear is that the vote will be splintered, allowing Republicans — who have fewer candidates — to dominate some primaries.

    You could rewrite his lead easily:

    Democrats face an embarrassment of riches in California. There are so many Democrats running for office in the state’s “jungle primaries” that party leaders and observers worry that Republicans may win a few contests, solely because there are less of them on the ballot.

    But then you’d miss the “mushrooming political chaos” and national money pouring into California and fear!!! and splintering !!!… any doubt this was on purpose?

    Meanwhile, the headline makes it sound like Democrats are so unappealing they’re on the Titanic, heading for disaster!

    I hope someone is investigating what’s going on at the FTF NY Times, hard. They’re dirty as fuck. I was very sorry they won their Pulitzers this year.

    I need to start keeping an archive of their howlers again.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @NotMax:

    Wanted to ask you, in the picture at the Amazon page, what is that “silo” next to the main bowl? Is that the mini-chopper or a housing for some of the mechanical innards?

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Thanks for your response. Until recently, I would have fully agreed with you. But, the fact is the media kept on saying, Hillary has no message, when did she DID have a message and delivered it over and over and over again…mostly not covered…while the media left its cameras trained on an empty podium waiting for Trump. Adam Schiff and others are out there regularly calling out Nunes and GOP complicity and in the media? Crickets, mostly. Probably the Dems do need to learn to play the media game better, but if the media chooses to fluff the Putin-Party nonstop, then they’re complicit. I refuse to believe they don’t know what they’re doing and that they can’t choose to do differently. Scandal gets clicks and the Putin-Party has plenty of that to offer. It’s hiding in plain view.

    ETA: And now I must bid this conversation farewell. Time to water the plants and pack for my trip. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: The media views the RWNJ’s as an untapped market, so they appeal to them. Remember Dems are reality based, Republicans just make shit up. We start emulating that and it’s just “Both Sides”. Schiff’s been pretty vocal, but you’ll only see him on MSNBC on occasion.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @NotMax: Very cool. Added to my wish list.

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    NotMax says:

    @Steeplejack

    That’s where the motor is.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I actually think there is an issue at the FTF NY Times, which sets the course for too much coverage.

    Did you see this article on Maggie Halberman? She’s not a reporter. She’s a publicist. The Times knows it, and put her there. We are not the only ones who have noticed.

    Medium: Maggie Duranty: Is the New York Times repeating its history of enabling apologists for corrupt regimes?

    Here’s the article in its earlier, much easier to read format. Maggie Duranty.

    And thank you for whichever jackal brought this article to our attention over the weekend.

    … We love our free press. We need our free speech. These two things for us are one and the same, and we will not let them fall.
    So, it brings us no pleasure to have to expose the rot within the free press itself. Especially, within one of our greatest and most prestigious news outlets.
    How can we defend the Fourth Estate without calling out its own corruption?
    There are many houses that will need to be cleaned by the end of the Trump era, if we’re ever going to fully restore our Democratic institutions. The Fourth Estate is no exception, and we need them in order to get to the finish line. Without them, we lose it all. So, now is the moment…
    We’re looking at you, The New York Times.
    You have something sinister brewing inside your house, and we’re bringing daylight to it. …. We’re here to remind you of that mistake, New York Times, because you’re making it again.

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    NotMax says:

    @NotMax

    Granted, it’s an unconventional configuration but it keeps the height down. Unit with big bowl in place (and lid on top upside-down so the feed tube isn’t sticking up) is only about 10 inches high.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @NotMax, @NotMax:

    Got it. So is the mini-chopper a separate, smaller bowl?

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    NotMax says:

    @Steeplejack

    Yup. Second link given above includes pix of the mini-bowl and all the other goodies.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Elizabelle: “Maggie Duranty” is one hell of a burn.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @NotMax:

    Okay, got it. That’s a different SKU (B00VF0RYK8) from the one you posted the other night (B01GSFGNRO), which had only one picture. All clear now.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Gin & Tonic: She deserves it.

    Heard anything from fellow curmudgeon efg??

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    NotMax says:

    @Steeplejack

    Not to overly dwell on it, the mini-bowl fits inside the regular big bowl when operating and has a sort of flexible sealing lip on it to keep stuff from spilling into the big bowl

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    Steeplejack says:

    @NotMax:

    Thanks for the details. That’s a tempting unit. I also have a small kitchen with limited counter space.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Elizabelle:

    You could rewrite his lead easily

    (Popping back in.) Yes, FTFNYT is *curiously* consistent about their negative framing and focus. As are others, but the sullied Grey Lady leads the way.

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax:

    Don’t vote for a Navy Seal.

    Life lessons.

    So true. The ones who lead public lives seem to be such assholes.

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    Kay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Amy Chozick was horrible covering Hillary and they left her on there for two campaigns.

    Halberman gets all the vitriol but she covered Trump. if we’re wondering where the absolute crap coverage of Clinton came from we should probably lay it on the reporter they assigned to Clinton.

    It’s just too cute by half this game that they’re playing. Chozick announces in her book that she “admires” Clinton, which is meant to isolate her from criticism of her work covering Clinton. It was garbage. She did a bad job. I don’t care if she “admires” Clinton. It wasn’t supposed to be about her personal journey.

    It worked, too. It’s somehow impossible that Chozick did a bad job covering Clinton because she tells us in her “memoir” that she admires Clinton. It’s really dishonest, this game she’s playing. One has nothing to do with the other.

    They have so blurred the lines between their career objectives and “reporting” objectives that they are tied up in knots and there’s no way for readers to sort it out.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Also interesting that we haven’t hear any critical analysis on why Republicans are running single issue, wholly negative campaigns. Instead we get criticism of the Democratic campaigns as too anti-Trump.

    Why aren’t they running campaigns on their great tax plan?

    Uh huh
    Uh huh

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    Kay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    IMO, we shouldn’t be watching Haberman. We should be watching whoever they hire to cover the D nominee in ’20.

    That’s where the problem is. If that person is a bad pick then the coverage will suck. Again.

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    rikyrah says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    @Baud: Perhaps not, but I am coming to believe this is a coordinated campaign, which is much more serious and insidious that mere reflection of various party’s tendencies. Why suddenly the spate of op-ed pieces on what the Democrats R DOING RONG? From so many sources and directions? When the corruption and death-dealing evil of the T maladministration and GOP are so freaking blatant! No investigation required, really, it’s front and center. It’s misdirection. It’s gaslighting. It’s complicit and I am coming to believe it’s intentional. Much more serious than following general tendencies within the population.

    UH HUH
    UH HUH

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    Trump is tweeting about Russia again. The President talks about the Russia collusion case constantly. This is just a fact.

    Faced with this fact, political media announced…. Democrats were obsessed with Russia.

    Trump is obsessed with Russia. We can speculate on WHY he’s obsessed but he’s MUCH more obsessed than any Democrat.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Kay: Agreed. I can’t stand Amy Chozick. She set my spider sense off within the first 2 Hillary articles I ever saw by her. Clear she was a hatchet woman. I wish she’d be drummed out of the business.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:

    I have heard lots of complaints from Dems that Dems need a positive message and can’t be just about Trump.

    Positive message?
    Phuck.outta.here.
    How about, we fought to keep healthcare.
    We fought to make sure that Grandma and Grandpa can stay in the nursing home.
    We fought for education.
    We fought against everything negative that these demons have been trying to do.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    The defining feature of high-profile Trump supporters is how nasty and mean-spirited they are, and she’s no exception. He attracts them. But, she was nasty and mean spirited before Trump was President, which is probably true of all of them.

    Lack of character defines them, Kay

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    L85NJGT says:

    The writing has been on the wall since they pulled the Pharma manufacturing subsides and let the commonwealth government go bankrupt. Maria just pushed up the timeline for another Highland Clearance. Get in on the ground floor of this all-American real estate hustle – making the island clean and well lit for mainland retirees!

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    rikyrah says:

    @JPL:

    Where’s Melania? How long does it take for a broken bone to heal?

    pssst…it was never a broken bone…LOL

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    Kay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I just don’t understand how we ended up with “it’s all Maggie Haberman” when Haberman covered Trump and the Clinton reporter is now making millions off her crap job covering Clinton.

    That seems…unfair :)

    This is a common thing with people, in my experience, what Chozick is doing. “I LIKE (fill in the blank) this person I’m treating unfairly” like that’s supposed to mean something? Who gives a shit who you “like”? What does that have to do with your job? This isn’t a defense of her work, who she “admires”. It’s just smoke she’s raising.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Montanareddog:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The story that needs following up by the media is why did he resign so suddenly? He had been holding out for months in the face of his grotesque sex scandal. Then a court orders him to release the records from his foundation and he resigns within the hour. There must be some seriously ugly shit in those records.

    That was Josh Marshall’s question last night on Twitter, and I thought it was a good one.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Trump is obsessed with Russia. We can speculate on WHY he’s obsessed but he’s MUCH more obsessed than any Democrat.

    Because he’s a traitor, Kay.
    And, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Russia.

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    Kay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Clinton got a raw deal from that paper. That they compounded it by all basing their stupid careers on Hillary-hate is just a bridge too far for me. It’s now 2 generations. Maureen Dowd owes her entire “fame” to trashing the Clintons. It’s a legit career plan in major media, apparently.

    I can already tell they dislike Elizabeth Warren. My advice would be don’t nominate her, or it will be Clinton all over again.

    Expect blanket coverage of fucking “Pocahontas”- the NYTimes will be combing archives. Meanwhile, they will not have written a single thing about Trump’s 50 years of extensively documented sleaze in NYC, in their own backyard.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @WereBear: Thanks for this! I was wondering what was going on when my order got cancelled.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Kay: We would be safer if a tentacle of the Mueller investigation uncovers wrongdoing or funny money at the FTF NYTimes too. Something is wrong over there. Way wrong. Maybe it’s just whack publishers, but maybe it’s something worse.

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    @opiejeanne: Usually I do. Those blades will slice my finger off is I’m not careful. It’s when I do the pizza dough that things are harder. It sticks to all the parts and the dishwasher spreads it around.

    Maybe it’s just that there are lots of bulky parts.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Elizabelle:

    @Kay: We would be safer if a tentacle of the Mueller investigation uncovers wrongdoing or funny money at the FTF NYTimes too. Something is wrong over there. Way wrong. Maybe it’s just whack publishers, but maybe it’s something worse.

    OK, 12 hours later. The N Y Times supported a guy from Bavaria when he took over leadership of Germany as a whole in 1932. In 1938 they did a puff piece about his dramatic home in the mountains. His name, of course, was Adolph Hitler!

    The N Y Times’s bureau chief in Moscow worked feverishly to cover up the deliberate famine in Ukraine in the early 1930s, caused by Joe Stalin shipping all the food grown in the Ukranian breadbasket out of the area, leaving the farmers who grew that food to starve, as millions of them did. That ended resistance to the Russian takeover of the area.

    The Times has for nearly a century supported vicious violent dictators even when they were a danger to the USA. Hitler, Stalin, Trump, all the same personality, violent and full of hatred. I don’t know how to explain that policy, it seems crazed at first glance, second glance too. But their archives on line prove that is a consistent policy for years now.

    I was shocked to learn about it, but anyone can look up the articles. They also supported the US Nazi party before WW II got big enough to involve the US. Great positive overage of their parades and rallies at Madison Square Garden in the 1930s! Strange, amazing, unbelievable, but all true.

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