Roseanne Is Cancelled! ABC Stands Up And Says Not Acceptable

ABC, which is owned by Disney, has cancelled Roseanne.

Updated at 3:10 PM EDT

Disney CEO Bob Iger makes his own statement:

Good riddance to bad garbage!

Prepare for incoming tweetstorm from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Open thread.

410 replies
  1. 1
    guachi says:

    I just posted this in the previous thread but I’ll put this here and delete the old comment:

    We have Fox on at work (eww!!!) and they flatly state Roseanne’s tweet was racist. “ABC Cancels ‘Roseanne’ after Racist Tweet”. Even Fox isn’t playing.

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    I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find out a vocal Trump supporter is racist!

    I totally missed her tweets. What did she say?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Good to know there are still some lines that can’t be crossed, even with a racist dickhead in the White House.

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    Irony Abounds says:

    Oh great, now James Woods will be whining about intolerant liberal Hollywood.

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    germy says:

    Who could've possibly known Roseanne would be racist online, you know, except literally any person who's been online in the last 10 years?— Mike Drucker (@MikeDrucker) May 29, 2018

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    Irony Abounds says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: She said if the Muslim Brotherhood and The Planet of the Apes had a baby it would be Valerie Jarrett.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    She was able to get away with the “Holocaust cookies” photo shoot because (a) it happened almost 10 years ago and (b) she’s Jewish. But racist and anti-Semitic tweets in real time? Nah.

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    Surprise, racist Trump lover is racist. WTF did ABC think was going to happen?

    And I know I shouldn’t blame Sara Gilbert, John Goodman, or anyone else involved in the show, but they knew who they were signing on with, and they did it anyway.

    Cue Tim Allen whining in 3… 2…

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    MattF says:

    I was about to post that Roseanne will crater and implode all on her own, but it looks like I’ve been OBE’d.

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    TenguPhule says:

    What happened to the blog formerly known as Database Error?

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    JPL says:

    Who canceled the blog.

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    Mike J says:

    top tweets:

    jay smooth @jsmooth995
    Cable news pretty psyched right now that they already had all the black pundits on deck for Starbucks

    Thers @Thers
    I guess the Roseane experiment really DID show us something about the hearts and minds of Trump voters – give ’em millions of dollars and a teevee show, and they’ll STILL prefer racism

    Merriam-Webster @MerriamWebster
    ‘Canceled’ and ‘cancelled’ are both standard variants.

    Roberto Joel Polanco @RJPoBoy
    lmao the show lasted about 3 Scaramuccis

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    japa21 says:

    Was there a problem with BJ? I haven’t been able to connect for a while. Just did.

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    Sorry site was down…I hope to learn what ate-ed all our memory. Should be ok for now.

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    Baud says:

    She can always get a job with the NYT.

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    oatler. says:

    I know “The Talk” is pre-recorded, but I’d like see Sara Gilbert address this news (it’s on in my area an hour from now).

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    James Powell says:

    We really have to put an end to the press/media practice of describing racists and bigots as “controversial” and letting them promote hatred.

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    I’d like to think it was the crush of people trying to comment “Fuck Roseanne!” but that would be incorrect.

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    Mike J says:

    And ICM dropped Rosanne.

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    Yutsano says:

    @TenguPhule: @JPL: @japa21: I tweeted at both Cole and Betty then there was life again.

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    Baud says:

    @Mike J:

    Merriam-Webster @MerriamWebster
    ‘Canceled’ and ‘cancelled’ are both standard variants.

    That one always gets me.

    Also, too, Hahahaha.

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    dmsilev says:

    I totally missed her tweets. What did she say?

    Alluded to Valerie Jarrett as an ape, and repeated some (false) anti-Semitic slurs against George Soros.

    Conservative are going to be whining about this for roughly the next half century, aren’t they? Has Trump had his afternoon Executive Time tweet session yet?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Alain the site fixer:

    I hope to learn what ate-ed all our memory.

    Maybe all the godawful auto-play ads on the site now? Just a thought.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    @guachi: Not surprising Fox is condemning her. She was stealing their audience.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Wow, I couldn’t access BJ for an hour or so, but the wait was worth it! Yay! And I say that as a fan of the old show.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    She can always get a job with the NYT.

    Are you trying to jinx us?

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Trump will find something for her. Maybe she can run his shadow twitter account.

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    chopper says:

    when i first read that garbage tweet i was all “eh, fuck twitter it’s just awful” then the responses came in…

    Please use the comments section to write your version of what Trump will tweet. Closest guess wins 10 sin-free masturbations and a $50 Kohl’s gift card! – God (@TheTweetOfGod)

    that’s just perfect.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I’d now like to know who decided to bring her back to TV, and more importantly, who funded that.

    And I know I shouldn’t blame Sara Gilbert, John Goodman, or anyone else involved in the show, but they knew who they were signing on with, and they did it anyway.

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Yes you should. Especially Sara Gilbert. She was one of the writers, she knew exactly what they were throwing out there.

    Again, I want to know who funded this. A lot of folks I’d considered decent just turned their heads and looked the other way, so they:

    1. Obviously aren’t decent
    2. Got paid enough to not have to worry about their futures in show business.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    I was wrong that there wouldn’t be any significant action on this. Props to ABC/Disney.

    I am completely unsurprised that a show billed as the “Conservative ID” and spent its run attacking liberal strawmen would turn out to have racist, bigoted cast members.

    I’m glad that Sarah Gilbert, Wanda Sykes and ABC all denounced her, but fuck them for signing up in the first place. When you play with fire you get burned, and that’s clearly what happened here. They’re not innocent either.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @guachi: Despite the editorial lean/slant, there is a significant difference between Fox News actual news side and its opinion side. Specifically: A Blonde With Two Boobs Morning Show, The Frozen Dinner Bow Tied Trust Fund Baby Hour, Conspiracy Theories and Unhinged Rants With Informal Presidential Advisor Lumpy the Ambulatory Potato, and Screamy Time With Your Drunk, Racist, Mobbed Up, Crazy Aunt Who Was a One Term Municipal Court Judge.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @TenguPhule: @TenguPhule: I actually went into cold sweats when I couldn’t access BJ, I mean really. I tweeted John Cole and everything.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    It was more than a little depressing to learn in 2016 (and since) how many deplorables there are around us and just how deplorable they are.

    This news doesn’t give me any hope that the network executives are non-deplorable. But it does give me some hope that the deplorable line is becoming unprofitable. That would be nice.

    The ultimate expression of that would be if Fox went bankrupt.

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    Mary G says:

    That was quick. Good.

    I feel sorry for the people who will be out of work, but if they have any brains they saved up what they’ve already made, because I’m sure they could see the implosion coming.

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    HeleninEire says:

    LOL. I was FREAKED that the site was down. I really, really gotta get a life. But wait. Maybe this is my life. And that ain’t a bad thing. I love this place. Gotta meander over the the money jar.

    Also, too. Today was Lily’s chemo visit. I will sit patiently for a Cole update.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Alain the site fixer: A mysterious event? It’s probably George Soros related. Check there.

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    dmsilev says:

    So she’s been Barred from television?

    (sorry)

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    JPL says:

    Roseanne’s agents have dropped her also.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Alain the site fixer: Rosanne dissed and the site goes down. Coincidence? I think not.

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    satby says:

    Some of us were carrying on in jackal tradition over on Facebook on HeleninEire’s page. Any port in a storm.

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    Mart says:

    I can not wait for my conservative friends and relatives to yell at me because it is the libtards fault that Roseanne is a deplorable human being. Wondering how they will be framing this one…

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    Jeffro says:

    @JPL:

    Trump will find something for her. Maybe she can run his shadow twitter account.

    He’ll be out defending her as a “very fine person” before happy hour gets here.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Actually some of the co-stars were starting to submit notices to quit the show when Disney/ABC pulled the plug.

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    Quinerly says:

    @dmsilev: and I’m just seeing all her tweets around the 2AM mark this morning… attacked Chris Cilliza as a mouth breather and accused HRC as having a colostomy bag.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @oatler.:

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    @MisterForkbeard: you mean, check here, as in, “here please!”

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    Brachiator says:

    Roseanne cancelled? Oh, man, this makes me so happy I think I will run out and get a Starbucks espresso.

    Oh, wait….

    Still, me happy.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Screamy Time With Your Drunk, Racist, Mobbed Up, Crazy Aunt Who Was a One Term Municipal Court Judge

    I’ve checked out the rest, but I will admit I’ve never had the (guts? stupidity? eardrum strength?) to watch her show. I think I saw 10 seconds of a 30 second clip of her via Twitter once, and that was plenty.

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    satby says:

    @Adam L Silverman: source? I would enjoy reading that!

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    germy says:

    I saw this excellent note (by cdwag14) in The Root comments section:

    Dear White People & Trump Supporters:

    This isn’t The 60’s. You will not talk to or treat us like this anymore. You will not mock us without consequence be it professional, financial or physical. I know you think that Trump’s election has awakened some type of primal scream in disgruntled white people, but it also awakened an anger and resolve in the communities this sack of shit and his collection of scumbags have decided to target. Get this straight right fucking now, you come for us or step to us with any of your ‘economic anxiety” and you will be dealt with. The only thing to be decided is will it be in a court room, board room or out in the street which where some of you need to be dragged and get your asses beat.

    Sincerely,

    Deez Black & Fed Up Nuts

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    Paula says:

    This is a great article about what tolerance is and isn’t. Summary: tolerance isn’t a moral precept, it’s a peace treaty, and those who violate the peace are subject to the rules of broken peace and/or war. In the case of Roseanne, racist/white-supremacist speech deserves pushback and consequences and I’m very glad both occurred. https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376

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    dmsilev says:

    @Quinerly:

    attacked Chris Cilliza as a mouth breather

    At least we have _some_ things that everyone agrees on.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    as we’ve created a show that we believe in, are proud of, and that audiences love

    Two out of three isn’t bad, except when it is.

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    Quinerly says:

    “White House in Panic Mode After TV Star With Racist Twitter Feed Loses Job.”
    Andy Borowitz

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Despite the editorial lean/slant, there is a significant difference between Fox News actual news side and its opinion side.

    Shep Smith aside, that lean means they avoid a lot of this kind of news. So saying this is racist is significant, I think. Was this Shep?

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    It is sad when a TV actor is held to a higher standard of behavior than the President.

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    Mary G says:

    @Mary G: Also, she put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton and Donkey from Shrek with some allegations about Chelsea’s husband being related to George Soros and his dad being a crooked senator (he was a House rep).

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Wait, was Jeanine Pirro seriously “a One Term Municipal Court Judge”? That’s why they insist on calling her “Judge Pirro” and pretend she has real qualifications.

    @satby: Oh. Well, now I need to friend HelenInEire. :)

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    smintheus says:

    @guachi: Fox is just playing along with its new owner Disney/ABC. Fox can find some other way to satisfy the racist cravings of its audience than to pick this fight.

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    Baud says:

    @Quinerly: Tick tock, motherfucker.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    I actually went into cold sweats when I couldn’t access BJ, I mean really. I tweeted John Cole and everything.

    Were you here for the great FYWP Database errors in 2008?

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Nope. Not enough.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    I hope Netflix doesn’t take a stupid breath and decide to give Roseanne a shot.

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    Jeffro says:

    @germy: That is excellent. You listening, Dem candidates?

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    Baud says:

    @satby: But then you’re on Facebook.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    See also: Cosby, B.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    It is sad when a TV actor is held to a higher standard of behavior than the President.

    The problem is that he wasn’t. And the media decided not to update their routers when he stepped into the Whitehouse.

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    germy says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Would the cast go with her?

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    @Baud: Move over Bari, Barr is here.

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    dmsilev says:

    @smintheus: Disney doesn’t own Fox yet, and even if that deal goes through it won’t include Fox News.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Sorry, Sarah, lay down with dogs, wake up with rabies.

    Love to see Iger and Twatler throw down in a twatfest. Methinks the head of a major network will not suffer fools gladly, or at all.

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    @TenguPhule: TV actor == Roseanne held to a higher standard than President T(Republican)

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    This literally made my day when I saw it. I can’t believe I didn’t predict this was going to happen. I thought the show would be canceled fairly soon given its declining ratings, but not this way. Still, Barr had a history of this. ABC, Wanda Sykes, and Sara Gilbert can’t act like they’re surprised by this. The real mistake was giving a network show to this POS in the first place.

    Did ABC truly think that the zeitgeist of this country had shifted that much that they would be able to get away with it? And why now all of a sudden, given the above, a are they discovering a conscience and a spine?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mike J:
    And 3 Scaramuccis = 1 Friedman Unit.

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    @zhena gogolia: And Charlie Rose, Harvey Wienstein and all those old men with grabby paws.

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    Ruviana says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It must be something about Florida. These are titles worthy of Ms. Cracker! I think we should use all of them!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: Bless her heart!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Declare Roseanne dead on the show, replace her with Wanda Sykes, and carry on.

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    Iger done raised the bar, and barring unforeseen circumstances, the bar will remain closed indefinitely.

    I’m here all week, tip the veal and try the reconnected server.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Tariffs of 25 percent will be applied to Chinese imports containing important technologies, including those related to Beijing’s made-in-China 2025 development program, the White House said. The final tariff list will be made public by June 15 with the new import taxes taking effect shortly thereafter.

    The surprise White House statement drew qualified support from the leading Senate Democrat.

    “While obviously more details are needed, this outline represents the kind of actions we have needed to take for a long time, but the president must stick with it and not bargain it away,” Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in a statement.

    I am increasingly in support of ousting Schumer as Senate minority leader.

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    chris says:

    @Alain the site fixer: Something something security? https has gone from green to grey making me think the site is no longer secure. Maybe…

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    Baud says:

    @zhena gogolia:
    @schrodingers_cat:

    Maybe it’s a good time to ask where Melania is.

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    germy says:

    Well, of course.

    NYT WRITER UNDERSTANDS MY WORK!! https://t.co/qYzCDnLhQy— Roseanne Barr (@therealroseanne) May 17, 2018

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    Mary G says:

    For the record, this is Channing Dungey. Sitting on top of your world like a Queen in full judgement of your garbage and taking it out. #Roseanne pic.twitter.com/GxEP2B61uq— Ava DuVernay (@ava) May 29, 2018

    President of ABC Entertainment is an African-American woman. The racists are losing, which is why they are getting so unhinged.

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    smintheus says:

    @dmsilev: But Fox News knows where its corporate bread is buttered in this thing.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Undoubtedly there will be a Rosanne Recovery Tour someday. Hopefully years in the future, but inevitable.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @satby: MSNBC reported that Wanda Sykes had already quit. And one of the other female costars tweeted that she was just dialing her agent to tell her to tell ABC she was quitting effective immediately and why – Roseanne’s racism – when ABC made their announcement.

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    MattF says:

    I think there’s a specific sort of Twitter-crazy where you go stupid and cross a lot of lines. And Barr did it. I’m not excusing her by any means, just that it’s a sort of syndrome.

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    Duane says:

    But… but.. free speech. Clinton said people were deplorable. Typical PC, double-standard, Demorat fake news. Suck it libtards. (How’s my right-wing out rage routine?)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: Yep. The backlash to this backlash is far more sustainable. And, of course, is both just and on the right side of history.

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    germy says:

    Roseanne Barr, 2018: I apologize for comparing Valerie Jarrett, a black woman, to an ape. I should have known better. Forgive me—my joke was in bad taste

    Roseanne Barr, 2013: I apologize for comparing Susan Rice, a black woman, to an ape. I should have known be pic.twitter.com/P10YtYH9Sc

    — Jeff Yang (@originalspin) May 29, 2018

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    TenguPhule says:

    @MattF:

    I think there’s a specific sort of Twitter-crazy where you go stupid and cross a lot of lines.

    The first symptom of which is that you sign up for a twitter account.

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    Spanky says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    I tweeted John Cole and everything.

    Only works if you use all caps.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Roseanne’s recent comments about Valerie Jarrett, and so much more, are abhorrent and do not reflect the beliefs of our cast and crew or anyone associated with our show. I am disappointed in her actions to say the least.

    Except, you know, the name of the show is literally her name and her character is the main one. Face it, Sara, you knew exactly what Barr was but you reprised your role anyway because you wanted the money. Same with ABC. Barr has a history of this shit. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: I am anyway. My former exchange students down through the years and a lot of my friends in other countries are. So there it is 😏

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mike J:

    Roberto Joel Polanco @RJPoBoy
    lmao the show lasted about 3 Scaramuccis

    Han Solo did the Kessel run in 12 Scaramuccis.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @HeleninEire: Preach. Good that Gilbert said that. Doesn’t absolve her from working on that monstrosity of a show to begin with, or enabling Roseanne.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    There has been much rejoicing in my little corner of the Mouse House today (we are not associate with ABC except under the corporate umbrella).

    When Bob Iger himself retweets your firing, you are done here.

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    catclub says:

    @germy: I bet that the part where Barr quit Twitter gets ignored now that the show is off.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Not to mention poor Billy Bush.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @MattF:

    I’m not excusing her by any means, just that it’s a sort of syndrome.

    Don’t care what made the zombies into zombies before, just care about eliminating the zombies that are here now.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @satby: Yes. And if any other jackels wanna join us on Facebook, I am Helen O’Neill and my avitar is Patsy Stone from Ab Fab. Because of course it is. Just look for me in Dublin. please identify yourself with your BJ name so I know who you are and to whom I am talking.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    Han Solo did the Kessel run in 12 Scaramuccis.

    Rosanne shot first.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Please do. See me above.

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    germy says:

    @catclub: Her twitter page is still up. She’s just taking a break from tweeting.

    (Interesting that she wasn’t suspended for hate speech)

    Now that she’s a free agent, I assume she’ll have more to say soon.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah. I was glad to see that.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Paula: Yep, there are five forms of conflict resolution:
    Avoidance
    Tolerance
    Mediation
    Arbitration
    Self Help – usually Violent Self Help

    If you make it impossible for the first four to happen, then all you’re doing is making the fifth one the default response.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Brachiator:

    Han Solo did the Kessel run in 12 Scaramuccis.

    Dang, he did, didn’t he? ;)

    (they did sew up the issue of that old SW line quite nicely in the new movie )

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: My understanding is that Gilbert is the principle writer and producer behind bringing the show back. She had to know what they were getting.

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    trollhattan says:

    @A Ghost To Most:
    Moar hilarious would be replacing the Roseanne Conner character with Sykes and go on as if nothing had happened.

    I would watch that.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I wonder if this was just a pretext for cancelling the show if more actors were going to up and quit. Saves ABC the embarrassment and makes them look like heroes.

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    satby says:

    @HeleninEire: Not everyone is able or willing to drop their anonymity though.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): Yep. And I have no idea as I don’t watch Fox News unless I’m looking to see how they’re covering things. I was just responding to someone else’s comment.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Baud: organizing the sign up table and name tags for Infrastructure Week?

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    trollhattan says:

    Coming to a campus near you, the Roseanne Barr, Ann Coulter, Milo FuckifIcanspellhisname “We’re being oppressed by the PeeCee police!” tour.

    Watch for it.

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    germy says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I don’t know much about the history of the show, but I recall reports of a miserable set during the first 1990s Roseanne show. Writers, other actors, crew members… they said it was a toxic place to work.

    I was sort of surprised when Ms. Gilbert decided to bring the whole thing back.

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    Jeffro says:

    Mrs. Betty Bowers on Twitter:

    It’s such a delicate balance: To be *just* racist enough to cash in on the #MAGA demographic and make the network money, but not be *too* racist enough to drive away advertisers and lose the network money.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Baud: Join us! We are harmless. Mostly. ;)

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    I’d bet Barr knew her show was headed for the axe so she posted those as tweets as an application for Wingnut Wealfare.

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    germy says:

    @trollhattan: PeeCee Kulture is out of controllll!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Yep. Was a judge for like 2 to 4 years. Stepped down, partially, to challenge Secretary Clinton for her Senate seat, then quickly flamed out by holding a bizarre press conference (she was clearly drunk/altered), and has been blaming all of it on a Clinton conspiracy ever since. Like the Clinton’s directed UN black helicopters to surveil her home. She’s both nuts and a drunk.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @HeleninEire: Never said it was. I was just providing what she said.

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    T voters are immune to reason, I had an encounter with one this weekend.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: I think that’s a Moochspan.

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    Mike J says:

    (I think he meant preëmptively, but the spirit is right)

    operation silky chicken @robertjbennett 49m
    enjoying that “bari weiss” is preeminently trending in anticipation of her very stupid roseanne take, twitter is proactive today

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    catclub says:

    @Alain the site fixer: the usual answer is alzheimer’s

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ruviana: Thank you.

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    germy says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I thought her campaign flamed out because of her husband’s legal troubles as well. Wasn’t he indicted? Her hatred of HRC is white-hot. A habitable exoplanet could orbit it.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I wnder if John realizes just how important a public service he provides. This blog has been a lifeline through the Trump régime.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I suspect that Gilbert made the common mistake when dealing with a toxic narcissist of assuming that the narcissist could be trusted to keep his/her word when s/he said that they TOTALLY would not be abusive again.

    Gilbert foolishly thought that Roseanne would stop being an asshole out of gratitude and affection and, like most people who try to work with a toxic narcissist, Gilbert discovered that she was wrong and all that happened was that Roseanne made Gilbert look bad.

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    cokane says:

    She’s been a nutjob for decades, was peddling 9/11 trutherism back in the day, probably still would if she was asked about it. Basically another uber wealthy moron who has clearly been surrounded by yes-men for too long

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    catclub says:

    @trollhattan: me, too

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    GregB says:

    I never really cared for Roseanne and the kicker was her gross rendition of the National Anthem. True story: My roommate at the time was a Marine who was in the stadium when she did that and he thought it was hysterical.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @A Ghost To Most: They cancelled Kevin Can Wait, so Leah Remini is available to take over as the mysteriously deceased wife…//

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    randy khan says:

    @Paula:

    I have come to hate the way “tolerance” is used these days. Most of the time it’s applied to people who you shouldn’t merely tolerate – races other than yours, LGBT, etc. “Acceptance” is a better word, although really it applies only to people who are uncomfortable with people unlike them, and what we really should be striving for is recognition that we’re all people and deserve to be treated in all respects with fairness and dignity (well, except for people who behave badly enough to deserve ridicule for what they’ve done).

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Like the Clinton’s directed UN black helicopters to surveil her home.

    Apparently different drugs each have different “signature” delusions, and “black helicopters” is common one for cocaine addicts to develop.

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    randy khan says:

    @smintheus:

    Disney’s not getting Fox New (sic) Channel in the deal.

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    Skepticat says:

    I find this terribly depressing–but only because I’m so surprised a company actually did the right thing, when we should be surprised only if they don’t. Is this a glimmer of hope?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: With Special Guest Ben Shapiro. And Lucian Wintrich, the Twink for Trump, as the opening act!!!!

    They can call it Doucheapalooza!

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    Jeffro says:

    Did not realize…Dingus is holding a rally in Nashville tonight. Anyone wanna bet he bemoans the plight of poor, poor, “very fine person Roseanne” to the crowd?

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    danielx says:

    @Baud:

    Why not? The only diff between her and some of the current columnists is that she’s not subtle.

    Note: failure to establish database connection is a new one to me.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Mart

    : I can not wait for my conservative friends and relatives to yell at me because it is the libtards fault that Roseanne is a deplorable human being. Wondering how they will be framing this one…

    Don’t wait, strike first, tell your wingnut relatives you are outraged Soros called Barr “a small flesh troll, who needs to be driven back by billy goats to the abandoned overpass were the muck filled nest Barr crawled out of is found.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: Ms Gilbert hasn’t had much of a career since the show’s initial run. Might have had something to do with it.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Mnemosyne: I loved, “Good Fellows.”. 😎

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @germy:

    I was sort of surprised when Ms. Gilbert decided to bring the whole thing back.

    For the money, dear boy

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    HeleninEire says:

    @satby: And then I will not accept them as FB friend. And here’s my thinking about that. The world has all of our information. We have traded that for security. OK. Just watch your bank and investment accounts every single day.

    Do you remember a few months ago that I told you that I was working on a proposal to the EU? Well that proposal told the EU that we, at Dublin City University could block any asshole who wants your info.

    Dunno about the science or IT. But imagine.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: That didn’t help. Especially as she basically divorced him so they wouldn’t indict her too. Nothing like the mob getting one of their own on the bench to fix things for them and then have it crash and burn because she and her husband can’t keep a low profile.

    But it came down to a bizarre speech being the beginning of the end:

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    Quinerly says:

    Travon Free

    @Travon
    Just take a moment to observe all the things Roseanne had to do to get canceled:

    – Call Valerie Jarrett an ape
    – accuse dems child sex trafficking
    – tell Hillary Clinton to commit suicide
    – accuse Chelsea Clinton of being part of a Jewish conspiracy
    – call George Soros a Nazi

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    JPL says:

    In not so surprising news

    MOSCOW (AP) — Police in the capital of Ukraine say a Russian journalist has been shot and killed at his Kiev apartment.

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    glory b says:

    @germy: Yep, thisis a much better articulation of what I wanted to say about voting a few threads down.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: Not being a coke head I did not know that.

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    @HeleninEire: Hi! Can I join you? I can offer pics of Iggy and Muppet and rants about Trump.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Was responding to Sarah, not you.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: He’s going to be completely lit and out of control!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Quinerly:

    accuse Chelsea Clinton of being part of a Jewish conspiracy

    I’ll have to check the minutes, but as far as I can tell she’s never been to any of the meetings.//

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    germy says:

    @Adam L Silverman: These people aren’t big on details. They seem to skim through life. Page 10 is always missing.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    That last part was meant for @guachi: Sorry@Adam L Silverman:. I see Shep at least did say racist. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-shepard-smith-in-scathing-monologue-racism-is-not-funny-and-roseanne-barr-is-a-racist/. Any others?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Can anybody see this comment?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jeffro:

    Haha, so true.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Comets across the solar system will be mightily tempted by such a dense target. I’ll be out of state that day.

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    germy says:

    @Jeffro:

    Anyone wanna bet he bemoans the plight of poor, poor, “very fine person Roseanne” to the crowd?

    “Who’s going to give back the young and beautiful life (and others) that has been devastated and destroyed by the phony elites at ABC? Roseanne journeyed down to Hollywood, with stars in her eyes and wanting to help our nation…She went back home in tatters!”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @HeleninEire: That’s what they all say!

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    Another Scott says:

    @chris: Chrome tells me (clicking on the circled i by the https):

    “Your connection to this site is not fully secure

    “Attackers might be able to see the images you’re
    looking at on this site and trick you by modifying
    them. Learn more

    Certificate: (Valid)
    Cookies: (28 in use)
    Site Settings”

    Yeah, it looks like something isn’t quite right.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    randy khan says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    What comment? (Ah, yes, I did see it.)

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    geg6 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s not quite true. She’s been in quite a few things, films and other shows. She has also been one of the hosts for the CBS daytime The View clone, The Talk, for many years now.

    I think she fell for the typical broken promises of a toxic narcissist and is now regretting it mightily. Hope she learned something.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: No. Any other questions?//

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: I see nothing!//

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @trollhattan:
    Yeah, Wanda Sykes playing Roseanne would be epic.

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    eclare says:

    @geg6: She was also on The Big Bang Theory for a while.

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    Gex says:

    Not remotely defending Barr, just noting it has to be somewhat confusing for the racist conservatives who try to hack capitalism by being as awful as possible PRECISELY because they will profit off of the obsessed dedication of the base and get cover from right wing media all while the controversy provides free viral promotion while above it all centrists play along.

    It is really arbitrary where people decide to draw the lines and take a stand and I’m sure she thought this shit would fly because she’s said similar things in the past and ABC/Disney didn’t give a fuck.

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    Mary G says:

    Probably too true:

    Really not looking forward to the 10,000 #Roseanne hot-takes that are about to rain down on our heads in which no people of color are interviewed— Tom & Lorenzo (@tomandlorenzo) May 29, 2018

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    Yarrow says:

    Maybe they should just fire Roseanne and call the new show “Dan.” He’s the heart of the show anyway.

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    Teddys Person says:

    @geg6: From a couple of Gilbert’s interviews, I got the impression that she saw this as an opportunity to advance her career behind the sceens as writer and/or showrunner.

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    geg6 says:

    @eclare:

    Yes, that was one of the shows I’d seen her on. She’s done a lot of work since her early work on Roseanne. Not, maybe, on the level of Laurie Metcalf or John Goodman, but she’s definitely worked steady since her younger days.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    As Immanentize alluded to, that’s why Ray Liotta’s character starts seeing black helicopters in Goodfellas. Scorsese saw them, too, when he was a cocaine addict.

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    chris says:

    @Another Scott: Also Chrome and I get the same thing but don’t know enough to comment. I enabled adblock a while back because the site was constantly trying to load ads that Chrome wouldn’t allow. Don’t know if that means anything either.

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    geg6 says:

    @Teddys Person:

    Well, that might have been a mistake. LOL!

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    guachi says:

    Don’t worry, all. Roseanne will be back for a second season on the new streaming service for Trump supporters, NetFliKKKs.

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    Baud says:

    What did cocaine addicts see before there were helicopters?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    [Trumpov]’s going to be completely lit and out of control!

    So…standard rally mode, with just an extra dash of Roseanne-as-martyr. Alrighty then.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Baud: Why did I hear that question in a Steven Wright-ish voice?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: Hephalumps.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Nor did I but it certainly suggests new insights into a couple of people I know.

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    Mart says:

    @Baud: Bats. Those fuckers were all over the sky.

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    Teddys Person says:

    @geg6: The fact that Gilbert tied herself up in knots to defend the project (specifically defending the show more than defending Barr) should have been the first clue that things wouldn’t end well.

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    catclub says:

    @germy: Usually Trump spends all the time on these rallies for the local politician talking about himself.

    For a change he will talk about himself and Roseanne and skip over Marsh Blackburn.

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    Spanky says:

    @Baud:

    What did cocaine addicts see before there were helicopters?

    Helicopters, but nobody knew what they were.

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    catclub says:

    @Adam L Silverman: and woozles.

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    Another Scott says:

    Interesting goings-on in the Virginia Senate Finance Committee today:

    Lots of drama in Virginia’s Senate Finance Committee this afternoon (yeah – they’re baaaaack! LOL). I didn’t get video of the beginning of it, but I did get a bunch of it (see below), including the dramatic ending. Just the look on Senate Majority Leader Tommy Norment’s [(R)] face as Senate Finance Committee Chair Emmett Hanger [(R)] rules his motion out of order and gavels the committee to a close is priceless. Credit for outmaneuvering Norment, who apparently was trying to limit actions the Senate can take on getting Medicaid expansion back into the budget, goes to Sen. Dick Saslaw, Sen. Frank Wagner, Sen. George Barker and Sen. Emmett Hanger. Nice job, gentlemen, for possibly saving Virginia Medicaid expansion, or at least for screwing up whatever nefarious plans the ever-devious Tommy Norment had in store! 🙂

    […]

    Summary of Senate Finance Committee (as I understood, someone correct me if I’m wrong): After over an hour of discussion of the Hanger/Jones amendments (which include Medicaid expansion) and the latest version of the Norment amendments (which do not), a motion was made to report Hanger’s amendments. That vote failed. Then a motion was made to report Norment’s amendments, which passed. The plan, I assume, was for Hanger to then make a motion on the Senate floor when they meet to amend the budget there (where the whole senate could vote, since we have more than 20 votes in support of Medicaid, just not a majority of votes in the finance committee).

    Then, in a sneaky move, Norment moved to reconsider the vote on Hanger’s amendments. They were about to take that vote, when Saslaw asked if that would make it “twice considered” in committee, which apparently by Senate rules might have made it impossible to consider it again on the floor. (Maybe, maybe not, since that rule might only apply to single bills, I’m not sure. But, better safe than sorry.)

    There was back and forth confusion and arguing about what might happen, and they sort of lost track of which motion they had before them. Hanger tried to ask Norment why he wanted to reconsider the vote, and Norment said “we don’t discuss motives.” And then, Hanger abruptly ajourned the meeting. (Fortunately, a motion to adjourn takes precedent over any other motion being considered.) So that means Medicaid expansion will have to be (and still can be) offered up as a floor amendment.

    (Emphasis added.)

    Norment wanted to say, “How dare you question my integrity and honor!!11”, but Sessions already used that line up. (groucho-roll-eyes.gif)

    This is example #235,867,102 of why state and local politics is so important. Thank goodness the Virginia Senate committee didn’t fall for it this time.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @catclub: Of course!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Gex:

    This is only a guess, but I’m betting that the producers made promises to Disney/ABC along the lines of, Sure, she’s said and done terrible stuff in the past, but she’s changed and she won’t do that anymore, because she understands that she’ll jeopardize her career.

    And then they spent months frantically trying to keep her under control long enough for the season to end. It’s not a coincidence that this happened right after the season finale aired and they stopped being able to lean on her to behave every. single. day.

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    @Baud: Vultures? Birds of prey?

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Jeffro: He’ll be standing on stage with a note from his advisors in his hand reading “DO NOT DEFEND ROSEANNE BARR” which he will proceed to ignore/ forget.

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    Ruckus says:

    Not in any way endorsing Rosanne, I thought she wasn’t all that when the original show was on.
    But. If she wasn’t a writer, didn’t have the freedom to go off script, then maybe the show thought they had her under control. So blaming the show for her tweets may not be in order. OTOH there shouldn’t really be much question that she’s a lunitc fucking racist and would do something extremely stupid. That’s as predictable as the tides.

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    Mel says:

    @Alain the site fixer: Thanks, Alain, for all you do to keep things up and running smoothly, and for patiently ironing out the glitches. It is much appreciated.

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    M4 says:

    @Mnemosyne: I thought paranoia about surveillance was a meth thing.

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    Mart says:

    @M4: Lack of sleep gets you to the same place.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mart:

    I agree, Dr. Gonzo. 😂

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Baud:

    I’m not sure, but the cocaine-soaked Russian cabaret star Aleksandr Vertinsky thought “your fingers smell of incense.”

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    Mary G says:

    Market’s down almost 400 points because Italy can’t form a government and is talking about not being “slaves” of Germany and France. Incompetence will have its price at some point.

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    M4 says:

    @Mart: fair!

    @Mary G: not because of Roseanne? Are you sure?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @germy:

    Wasn’t he indicted?

    Not just indicted, convicted and imprisoned.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @M4:

    Most stimulant drugs cause paranoia about being spied on, but with cocaine it apparently manifests specifically as black helicopters doing the surveillance.

    Or, as Mart alluded to, bats in the pre-helicopter days.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ruckus: The people who ran the show and those who put it on air, knew what a racist lunatic she is. They didn’t have to give her a platform. They didn’t have to reboot the show that has her name as the title, where she’s the big star. They could have chosen not to do that. They chose to do it. They are to blame for that.

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    Mart says:

    @Mnemosyne: “There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge.” Hunter S Thompson

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    Barbara says:

    Comedians (or comedic actors) who aren’t actually role playing aren’t really funny. Once you realize how f’ed up Charlie Sheen is in real life, it’s hard to laugh at his sitcom antics. Once you realize (as they should have a long time ago) that Roseanne really is a racist, the case for her new show goes away. Because being addicted to drugs and being a racist REALLY aren’t funny. Carroll O’Connor is still the winner in my book, and probably always will be, of how to play a bigoted character.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Quinerly: I’m shocked he hasn’t already offered her a job on his re-election campaign.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    Your bosses Twitter is a cesspool. Reads like a newspaper comment section, with some push back.

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    chopper says:

    @Baud:

    who the hell do you think invented helicopters?

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    danielx says:

    @Gelfling 545:

    I will be less than surprised.

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    geg6 says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Yup, I believe this is exactly what happened.

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    @Jeffro: Also, you have to be clever or funny enough for folks to excuse you. For a comedian, Barr was a failure at funny tweets.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Yarrow:
    Isn’t that what I said at the end?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @chopper: Leonardo da Vinci!

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    burnspbesq says:

    If there is a way for Barr to spin this into martyrdom and profit from it, it will be found and implemented.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Irony Abounds: So what? I assume you’re being sarcastic. Wood’s whining is as impactful as his long gone acting career.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Market’s down almost 400 points because Italy can’t form a government and is talking about not being “slaves” of Germany and France.

    @Mary G: The “populists” want out of the Euro, having apparently already forgotten the fun-filled days years decades centuries of yore when Italy’s currency was a worldwide joke. This is some first-class idiocy in action.

    Oh, Italy has some legit complaints. They really do. But this move would be equivalent to getting rid of a hangnail by shooting yourself in the face.

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    Kay says:

    @Gex:

    just noting it has to be somewhat confusing for the racist conservatives who try to hack capitalism by being as awful as possible PRECISELY because they will profit off of the obsessed dedication of the base and get cover from right wing media all while the controversy provides free viral promotion while above it all centrists play along.

    It’s just so funny they still don’t get it. Corporations don’t like CONTROVERSY :)

    They’re too loony for corporate America. It’s not about “beliefs”. Disney just wants to be left alone to make product for money. They don’t need all this Right wing angst.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    What did cocaine addicts see before there were helicopters?

    Flying Saucers.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @burnspbesq: Someone has to take over for Huckabee-Sanders as the press secretary when she resigns under pressure/is fired in the next 60 days or so.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Jeffro: The day is not over. He probably has some “executive time” scheduled. Plus, Hannity will weigh in tonight.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @burnspbesq: She can set up a hate website like Breotbart or Stormfront. There are millions of White racists she can grifting from. She’ll be just fine. Just glad she’s off my tv.

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    trollhattan says:

    @chopper:
    Tired bats?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mary G:

    Incompetence will have its price at some point.

    The market has determined that it is $500 million.

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    Kay says:

    It makes the NFL look worse, doesn’t it? They really win the award for cowardice. All those big swaggering plutocrats and little smarmy weasel Pence scared the shit out of them.

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    trollhattan says:

    @burnspbesq:
    Yes, and yes. Can’t wait.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    But this move would be equivalent to getting rid of a hangnail by shooting yourself in the face.

    I can just picture Trump demanding we get off the dollar standard.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    Disney just wants to be left alone to make product sole copyright owner into perpetuity for money.

    Corrected for honesty.

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    Twitter is claiming Barr’s agency had dropped her too. That’s interesting. Apparently as long as you’re not president, you pay a price for this stuff.

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    glory b says:

    @Mary G: Okay, but she is he one who green lighted the show in the first place.

    she i also the one who said that they had to look at the results of the election and direct more shows to the Trump voters.

    Maybe a coincidence, but shortly after, Shonda Rimes and Kenya Barris (creator of Black-ish) left.

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    Kay says:

    Uh, oh. Another brave Trump is dodging questions:

    @maggieNYT
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    Ivanka Trump is leading a call on a WH event on sports tomorrow. First question is related to her business trademarks in China. WH aide on call declines to answer and redirects. A few q’s later, aide says Ivanka Trump had to go to another meeting.

    There are processes by which people in the White House can be compelled to answer questions. Someone should use one for Ivanka. We really do have a right to know if she’s manipulating US foreign policy for personal financial gain. We’re allowed to ask that.

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    trollhattan says:

    O/T Florence and the Machine will be at Lake Tahoe Outdoor Arena at Harveys this August but after Las Vegas I’m not at all sure I want to go to an outdoor concert adjacent to a cas…place where people wager sums of money.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: Apparently that was all Goddell. But he has a well developed and well reported on flinch instinct. He’s going to catch it from all directions as a result of Kaepernick’s suit, the upcoming CBA negotiations, and the reported on discussion of having the top African American stars sitting out the upcoming season.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Giuliani says Trump won’t sit for Mueller interview unless all FBI informant documents reviewed

    I’ve lost track of which Giulani decided this. Can’t tell them apart without a program these days.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    Apparently as long as you’re not president, you pay a price for this stuff.

    Trumpov Rules are the inverse of Clinton Rules.

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    oatler. says:

    Meanwhile Chuck Todd, not to be left out of the game, is retweeting Erik Eriksson and Jonah Goldberg without comment.

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    NotMax says:

    Headline which Variety won’t have the cojones to run, sad to say:

    Lion King Axes Lyin’ Queen.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    We really do have a right to know if she’s manipulating US foreign policy for personal financial gain. We’re allowed to ask that.

    The Very Serious People have decided that this is no longer true. //

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    PJ says:

    @JPL: If it had happened in Moscow, police would have reported it as a gun-cleaning accident.

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    Quinerly says:

    OT… Seems Jeff Weaver was on some CSpan show today saying his old boss seriously considering a 2020 run.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @germy: Wow. So this is a pattern with her. ABC shouldn’t have done the re-boot in the first place.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @glory b:

    Dungey may have been bending over backwards to appear “fair” to white racists, without fully realizing that white racists will never, ever respect her no matter how many shows she gives them.

    Reading between the lines, I suspect that she’s been getting pitches from well-known TV producers (not sure who) who’ve been trying to sell the “racists need TV shows, too!” line and she didn’t want to automatically alienate them. The demographics of broadcast TV are very ugly right now, and poor whites tend to dominate because they don’t have cable or streaming services.

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    rikyrah says:

    @germy:
    👏👏👏👏
    They wanna party like it’s 1948.
    Nobody is having it😠

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    sublime33 says:

    So Rosanne got the Kathy Griffin treatment. And the Dixie Chicks treatment. But I’m sure Rosanne’s firing is unfair while the others were justified.

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    Kay says:

    @TenguPhule:

    “We’re being persecuted!” No, that’s not it at all. You’re bad for business. They hate that answer because it’s not emotional enough and it’s so boring, but that is the answer. They lack self-discipline, which creates unnecessary risk. No one needs that.

    They knew Roseanne would blurt out her real racist feelings again- she’s incapable of self policing.

    They really don’t have to express every thought that runs thru their heads. People don’t say things all the time. It’s not even that difficult. Have you ever NOT said something in order to keep a job? Sure. All adults have. I do it at least weekly.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: They can always recast the role with Dana Loesch…

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Another Scott. @chris:

    Alain said in one of these recent threads that he was dicking around with the site plumbing and that might cause problems for a bit.

    For those experiencing page loading/​delay problems on this site (desktop version, not mobile) not just this afternoon, you might have to manually configure your ad blocker to nuke the Connatix autoplay video ad. Instructions here.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Kay: Someone should ask Ivanka about forced patriotism and the racism her father has directed against protesting Black NFL players.

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    JPL says:

    @Quinerly: Rumor has it that Grietens is going to resign. hmmm

    He has a 4:15 news conference cst obviously

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @trollhattan:

    I would hope that the facility’s owners are a fuckload more security-conscious than they used to be. Can’t hurt to call and ask what their new policies are.

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    Van Buren says:

    @Baud: Zeppelins

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    cwmoss says:

    @JPL: He shoulda been more careful while cleaning his nails with a bread knife — I mean while cleaning his gun.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Baud:

    What did cocaine addicts see before there were helicopters?

    Phantom . . . carriages! [shudder]

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    JPL says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Someone needs to ask her about the Hatch Act.

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    NotMax says:

    @Mary G

    It has been 73 years since the end of WW2 in Europe. In that time Italy has had something close to that same number of governments. They were up to 65 changes of government since WW2 by 2016; haven’t kept up with the tally since then.

    It’s as if everyone on Wall Street was born yesterday.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @HeleninEire: Right then – sent you a friend request. :)

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    Aleta says:

    @TenguPhule: Surveillance from the street, foes inside the bodies of their friends

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    Cacti says:

    This is the hardest I’ve laughed about something since…

    Yesterday. When Yankees fans mercilessly booed Giuliani at the baseball game.

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    JPL says:

    Someone needs to inform Gov Greitens that we have reached our quota on breaking news today.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @sublime33:

    So Rosanne got the Kathy Griffin treatment. And the Dixie Chicks treatment.

    Yeah, not even close, unless Roseanne has been getting death threats that I haven’t heard about.

    But you’re correct that the right wing will treat her as a martyr and claim that she’s being treated worse than Griffin, because being fired from a corporate gig is way worse than being inundated with death threats that force you to cancel shows, amirite?

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    gwangung says:

    @JPL: Hope so. I would think even Republicans would reject such a lame loser as Greitens….

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    Aleta says:

    @HeleninEire: Patsy always warms my heart.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @JPL:

    Someone needs to inform Gov Greitens that we have reached our quota on breaking news today.

    From his perspective, today is the perfect day to pick.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    On top of that the shows like new Roseanne appeal to values and people that are contrary to a modern, diverse nation that the US is turning into. She has to realize on some level that if given the chance these people would gladly return her to second citizenship status (and if the alt-right ever took over, deport her).

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    Kathleen says:

    @James Powell: They’ve been doing it for 50 years. They’ve allowed the vile hate from the fringe seep into acceptance in mainstream media conversation.
    I’ve despised them for years for this which is why I refer to them as mainslime media

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    Cacti says:

    There are two things a right winger hates more than anything:

    1. People of color
    2. Being called a racist

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Valerie Jarrett is a class act.

    Valerie Jarrett, former adviser to President Barack Obama, responded to actress Roseanne Barr’s comment referring to her as an “ape” on Tuesday, saying ABC made the right decision in canceling its hit sitcom starring the actress.

    “First of all, I think we have to turn it into a teaching moment. I’m fine. I’m worried about all the people out there who don’t have a circle of friends and followers coming to their defense,” Jarrett said during a town hall on MSNBC called “Everyday Racism in America.”

    When asked if ABC made the right call in canceling the sitcom “Roseanne,” Jarrett said that the network did and that Bob Iger, the chief executive officer of Disney, had called her before the announcement.
    Iger apologized, Jarrett said, adding that he told her there would be zero tolerance for those types of comments.

    “He wanted me to know before he made it public that he was canceling the show,” she said.

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    NotMax says:

    @HeleninEire

    my avitar is Patsy Stone from Ab Fab

    Male or female Patsy?

    :)

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    Chyron HR says:

    @rikyrah:

    They wanna party like it’s 1948.

    1933-1945 more like.

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    dmsilev says:

    @JPL: This is the best Infrastructure Week ever.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: The execs knew exactly what they were getting. They were going to drive the Race Train as long as they could count on revenue from racist viewers and NPR reporters seeking insight into the great unwashed

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    chopper says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    who also happened to invent cocaine. took one bump and was all DOES ANYONE ELSE FUCKING HEAR THAT?

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    @Quinerly:

    Seems Jeff Weaver was on some CSpan show today saying his old boss seriously considering a 2020 run.

    I mean, duh.

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    Mary G says:

    @glory b: She also wouldn’t air the taking a knee episode of “Blackish,” I know.

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    Aleta says:

    I wonder if there was something in the cast members’ old contracts that required them to be available for a reunion show. Which became one season of episodes.

    (Possible that some actors declined to renew after this season, as reported, but by contact could not say so publicly, until now.)

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    When asked if ABC made the right call in canceling the sitcom “Roseanne,” Jarrett said that the network did and that Bob Iger, the chief executive officer of Disney, had called her before the announcement.

    Iger apologized, Jarrett said, adding that he told her there would be zero tolerance for those types of comments.

    This may indicate that Dungey’s job is in trouble. She made one of the biggest mistakes you can make in any job — she made her boss look bad, and forced him to clean up the mess she made.

    I’m guessing that she is now on very thin ice as far as upper management is concerned.

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    Aleta says:

    @Kathleen: It played well in the heart(less)land. Money votes, money dictates. (It used to talk; now it silences.)

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    Shana says:

    @Adam L Silverman: She was a recurring character on Big Bang Theory for a while. And had a great small role in High Fidelity. But you’re right, nothing really major.

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    Kathleen says:

    @JPL: But libruls are mean to Maggie Haberman and Amy Chozick on Twitter so perspective people.

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    Iforgotwhenitslippedmymind says:

    @guachi: Ah, yes. No doubt ABC & Fox’s gaggle of conservative sponsors/supporters/corporate clients are keeping their eye on the ball – November 2018 & beyond – just as much as we are. A move toward the center, team, but only for 5 months.

    This is a nothing burger reaction by Fox to nothing/no one substantial. Expect more of these “reasonable, sane” moves, especially with regard to pop celebrity candy.

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    ruemara says:

    @HeleninEire: I’d probably friend for the Patsy icon alone.

    You know, Barr should’ve pulled a Drew Carey. He’s a libertarian & he’s managed to not mouth off on twitter. As he used to say about “Drew”, it stayed on so long because it was more expensive to cancel. He flew under the radar and got seasons out of it. Shut your bigot mouth & take your check. It’s not that hard. Her numbers had dropped hard. This gave ABC an out after the way too fast renewal. never give them an out for an underwhelming product. You coulda been mediocre, Barr. Instead, you went full metal stupid.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @chopper:
    Leonardo da Vinci was South American? Well, well. One learns something new every day..

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    Marcopolo says:

    Breaking: Greitens resigning June 1. Guess he did not want to testify under oath to the Legislative committee looking into impeaching him. Though, I’d also heard the Trump gold have been telling him to go away since a lot of money was going to be run painting Harley (the R AG) running against McCaskill as closely tied to Greitens. Anyways, I am happy.

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    JPL says:

    @Marcopolo: 5pm on June 1.

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    Feebog says:

    @Jeffro:

    The day is young.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @ruemara:

    Shut your bigot mouth & take your check. It’s not that hard.

    Unless you’re a toxic narcissist. If you are, it’s the hardest thing is the world to keep your mouth shut, because your opinions are the only ones that matter.

    As I was saying above, I’m not too surprised that this happened after the season wrapped, because she didn’t have people monitoring her behavior every single day anymore. It’s like trying to keep your alcoholic star from going on a bender — you can keep them on track while you’re in production, but once you wrap and cut them loose, all bets are off.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They can always recast the role with Dana Loesch…

    I don’t think Loesch would want to wear a fat suit for that long.

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    SFAW says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I had an encounter with one this weekend.

    One hopes it was not by choice.

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    ruemara says:

    @Mnemosyne: You pander too much, you’re going to get just as fired as if you were too radical. She made a serious miscalculation that Roseanne could avoid the economic anxiety.

    @schrodingers_cat: I hope it wasn’t unpleasant except for them.

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    SFAW says:

    @chopper:

    who the hell do you think invented helicopters?

    Herman Knowings, as any New Yorker (worth his/her salt) knows.

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    Waynski says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Pretty sure Pirro was also Westchester County Exec for awhile, which in NYS (and elsewhere) is like “Mayor of the County.”

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    different-church-lady says:

    @TenguPhule:

    The Very Serious People have decided that this is no longer true. //

    Why are you putting sarcasm slashes after that?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NotMax:

    It’s as if everyone on Wall Street was born yesterday.

    They do say a sucker is born every minute.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Why are you putting sarcasm slashes after that?

    Because I was being sarcastic about them being very serious people.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Shana:

    Well, she created, executive-produced and co-hosted The Talk on CBS since 2011, seen by about 2.4 million viewers every day, so there’s that.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Cacti: I’m not sure they mind #2 all that much.

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    debbie says:

    @guachi:

    One of the local conservative talk stations in my area (I tune in for traffic reports before I get stuck in traffic) was sidling up to defending her, mostly by condemning Hollywood for making what they consider to be similar sentiments (ie, “I liked Obama”). Fuckers.

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    marcopolo says:

    @Marcopolo: Clarifying my iPhone autocorrect errors with my laptop: Trump gold should read Trump folks; the MO AG is Josh Hawley.

    Am planning to go meet with friends tonight. I was previously planning to drink a beer to Rosanne’s show being cancelled and The Expanse being picked up by Amazon. I think I will drink two beers now.

    PS This group did a poll a few weeks ago as to whether Greitens would resign first or wait to be impeached. I think most of us thought he would try to tough it out–glad we were wrong.

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    Aleta says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):That’s one of the broader positives from this. She’s (currently) nearly unemployable to CEOs; and now her agent; and better agents and producers will stay clear for awhile. I expect to see her as paid speaker for campaigns or the ’20 convention though.

    The broader negative is that her racist tweet is repeated on every news site covering this. Hellish.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    Old Roseanne reruns are being pulled from all the cablenets too. that’s where it’s really going to hurt.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Trump’s not a liar. He’s a madman.

    Okay, I’m glad that’s been settled then.

    Balderdash: Trump went after the “failing and corrupt” New York Times for citing a senior White House official “who doesn’t exist” and admonished the newspaper to “use real people, not phony sources.” It turned out the senior official in question had spoken at a White House briefing arranged by Trump’s aides and attended by dozens of reporters.

    Bunk: Trump attacked “the 13 Angry Democrats” working for Robert S. Mueller III, apparently referring to prior party registration. But Mueller himself is a Republican, appointed by a Republican who was himself appointed by Trump.

    Poppycock: He called for “pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there [sic] parents once they cross the Border into the U.S.” There is no such law, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions has acknowledged that family separation “inevitably” results from Trump’s “zero-tolerance” enforcement policy.

    Patent nonsense: “Who’s going to give back the young and beautiful lives (and others) that have been devastated and destroyed by the phony Russia Collusion Witch Hunt?” Trump asked. I can picture the GoFundMe campaign: “Paul Manafort, a young and beautiful 69-year-old, had a promising career ahead of him selling access to the White House before he was cruelly indicted . . . ”

    Early in this weekend’s monsoon of malarkey, New York Times White House reporter Maggie Haberman tweeted that Trump told “demonstrable falsehoods” — and she was roundly ridiculed on Twitter for failing to say Trump was lying. She defended herself by saying Trump’s pronouncements “can be hard to label” because “he often thinks whatever he says is what’s real.”

    Wapo Link.

    Dana Milbank is shrill.

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    ixnay says:

    @HeleninEire: sennt you a friend request, but kindle winn not let me add a note. Nan Beury = ixnay, the veterinarian.

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    @chopper: This is doubly hilarious coming from a commenter nym’d chopper.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cacti:

    There are two things a right winger hates more than anything:

    1. People of color
    2. Being called a racist

    What happens when 1 & 2 collide?

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    Kay says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    her father has directed against protesting Black NFL players.

    I don’t follow sports but my husband and one of my sons do, and they tell with great assurance that the NFL is dying, that younger men aren’t watching. Evolve or die. Maybe Mike Pence wasn’t a smart target demographic after all.

    I don’t know if you remember this but during the Bush Years media and Republicans all pointed to NASCAR as the recreation activity for Real Americans.

    NASCAR is quietly dying:

    Just read yesterday that Lowes is pulling the plug on the 48 car sponsorship. The home-improvement giant has been in the sport since 1997 and with Jimmie Johnson and Hendrick Racing since 2001. Their logo on the hood for all seven of Johnson’s Championships.
    It’s just another indicator of how this sport, which saw explosive growth in the 90s and early 2000s, is now running on empty.

    Golf courses are dying too. There are two in this county that are being sold at “absolute auction”- that means they’ll take just about anything for them. They can’t give them away.

    They have to cater to new customers or they die, and 70 year old white guys aren’t new customers.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko has been shot and killed in Kiev. Police said he apparently was targeted because of his work. Babchenko’s wife found him bleeding at the apartment on Tuesday and called an ambulance, but he died on the way to a hospital, a police spokesman said.

    “Arkady Babchenko was killed by three gunshots to the back, in the stairwell of his building as he came home from the store,” a colleague, journalist Osman Pashayev, wrote on Facebook.

    Kiev police chief Andriy Krischchenko said Babchenko’s death could be linked to his “professional activities”.

    Its troubling when Putin doesn’t even try to go through the charades any more.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Waynski:

    Wikipedia shows that Pirro was Westchester County district attorney (1994-2005) and judge of the Westchester County Court (1991-93).

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    @TenguPhule:

    She defended herself by saying Trump’s pronouncements “can be hard to label” because “he often thinks whatever he says is what’s real.”

    Oh c’mon Mags, that’s just being lazy and lame. There are plenty of labels available for the taking, two-bit soulless ratfuck con man is the one I use and you are welcome to borrow it anytime you find a spine.

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    Cacti says:

    @Kay:

    I don’t know if you remember this but during the Bush Years media and Republicans all pointed to NASCAR as the recreation activity for Real Americans.

    NASCAR is quietly dying:

    NASCAR stopped reporting official race attendance figures about 4-years ago.

    At their last race in Indianapolis, they drew about 35,000 fans to a venue that seats 200,000.

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    Shana says:

    @Steeplejack: You’re right, but I don’t watch daytime TV, except the occasional movie while ironing, so I missed that.

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    Soprano2 says:

    @marcopolo: I’m really surprised Greitens resigned. Perhaps his wife gave him an ultimatum, or he might think this will salvage his political career. He still had to face the stealing charges – resigning doesn’t get him out of that.

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    Yutsano says:

    So we’re gonna TBogg over a third-rate TV celebrity?

    LET’S DO THIS!!!

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    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Balderdash: Trump went after the “failing and corrupt” New York Times for citing a senior White House official “who doesn’t exist” and admonished the newspaper to “use real people, not phony sources.” It turned out the senior official in question had spoken at a White House briefing arranged by Trump’s aides and attended by dozens of reporters.

    Bunk: Trump attacked “the 13 Angry Democrats” working for Robert S. Mueller III, apparently referring to prior party registration. But Mueller himself is a Republican, appointed by a Republican who was himself appointed by Trump.

    Wow. This is really breaking out the thesaurus to come up with this hierarchy of mendacity.

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    jl says:

    @marcopolo: New radio talking pundit says Greitens more afraid of public revelations about his money and funders, than the abusive affair and associated crimes.

    The new Gilded Age.

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    debbie says:

    Was her standup routine anything like her character on the show?

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I’ve lost track of which Giulani decided this.

    Well, it’s either Crazy Rudy, or Moron Rudy, or Asshole Rudy.

    And if THAT is not a great set-up for you, well …

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    это курам на смех says:

    @Spanky: The black helicopters are not laughing.

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    Baud says:

    @Yutsano: I’m in.

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    debbie says:

    Finally, a tweet I can laugh my ass off about:

    Sorry, I’ve got to start focusing my energy on North Korea Nuclear, bad Trade Deals, VA Choice, the Economy, rebuilding the Military, and so much more, and not on the Rigged Russia Witch Hunt that should be investigating Clinton/Russia/FBI/Justice/Obama/Comey/Lynch etc.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 29, 2018

    As if.

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    chopper says:

    @BruceFromOhio:

    see, i know from helicopters.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Yutsano:

    So we’re gonna TBogg over a third-rate TV celebrity any front-pager’s failure to put up a new thread?

    Fix’d.

    ETA: And, just in time . . .

    ETFA: How the hell has there been a new open thread up for over an hour with no comments? WTF? Is Mayhew reader poison that much?

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    Yutsano says:

    @Baud: I might as well. I had one tool break on me at work last week. Got that fixed today only to have ANOTHER tool I need go down. I’m pretty sure my computer doesn’t want me to work anymore.

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    Aleta says:

    @Marcopolo: That’s cause for joy and a cold drink here too. What will he face now in the legal system?

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    Cckids says:

    @Baud:

    What did cocaine addicts see before there were helicopters?

    Little blonde girls, white rabbits & Red Queens.

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    ruemara says:

    @debbie: No. I don’t ever recall her doing this when she was coming up. Something happened after 2008.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @TenguPhule:

    because “he often thinks whatever he says is what’s real.

    ”So the latest Serious Person defense of Trump is Trump is delusional? ROFL

    IOKHJBSN – “It’s Okay, He’s Just Bat Shit Nuts”

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    Shana says:

    @debbie: I had to go check and see if that was real. OMG, now he decides to try to do his job? Now?

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @debbie: How about focusing less on tweeting ridiculous bullshit? That seems like a better use of your time.

    I like that literally all of the things Trump cited have worse outcomes since he got involved. And that the rest of his accusations have already been investigated and found baseless.

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    Kay says:

    @Cacti:

    Right? We have to inform DougJ. He loved “Nascar dads” so much.

    I once went on a tour of the Indianapolis speedway. Dying businesses make me sad. There were these empty “press rooms” and the carpet was all frayed. It was really just the most depressing outing. Sports bore the hell out of me so I don’t care that’s there one less, but huge empty venues feel like the end of the world. That’s what NFL stadiums will be like. I’ll take the tour!

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    debbie says:

    @Shana:

    I know, right? I’m still practically choking with laughter.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @SFAW:

    Well, it’s either Crazy Rudy, or Moron Rudy, or Asshole Rudy.

    All of em, Katie.

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    @Shana: He woke up hungry from his nappy.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Yutsano: 500 or bust.@BruceFromOhio: “self conning con man” works for me. Kinda like Tesla or Uber self driving cars.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Brachiator:

    Is folderol in there? One of my personal favorites.

    WaPo is rebuffing my attempts to read, even in a private tab.

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    @Cacti: They paint the seats so it looks to TV cameras as if people are in them.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: They believe in the old saying “Your mind makes it real” forgetting that Trump lacks a mind of his own.

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    Kay says:

    @debbie:

    Political media say he focuses on Russia so much not because he’s feeling hunted and nervous (all criminal defendants feel hunted and nervous- understandably) but because he’s in command of the Russia narrative!

    He’s not losing it because half his low quality hires are getting indicted, really, he’s WINNING!

    These people.

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    debbie says:

    @ruemara:

    I heard an interview with her somewhere around that time. She was retired and running a macadamia farm in Hawaii and seemed pretty mellow. Unless she was pulling some Andy Kauffman-level bullshit. Who can tell any more?

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    @Yutsano: The payment for the breaking news is Rosie’s mug all over everything for the next 24 hours, then the coverage of the backlash for the next 24. Yuck.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    I know, i know. We’re making him obsess on his collusion. Poor baby.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Twitler thug: Meet my latest press sec daily liar. Sarah, you are fired.

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    Aleta says:

    @debbie:

    “to start focusing my energy (—) and not on the Rigged Witch Hunt” — (throws in all the witch-hunter names he can think of)

    Sent in the same breath as two Rigged Witch Hunt-TM tweets. So he got 3 mentions of the brand in, and the next one by him will be an unfocused rock slide of self-praise.

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    @ruemara:Arguing about T with a T voter, not a pleasant activity.
    @SFAW: A college friend who has moved back to the area, we were friends with both him and his wife. We got along fine except for when the discussion came to current politics, we did make it clear where we stood. Our friend is not the T base, slightly Bernie curious and never HRC type voter. He is still in denial about T’s true nature. She is originally from Mumbai and he is from the south.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Shana:

    Sorry, not ragging on you personally, but I don’t like the whiff throughout this thread of “We don’t like this one thing this person did, so clearly she never accomplished much of anything (or is over the hill) and is a big loser!”

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @marcopolo:

    Das Trumpgold! My favorite opera.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: It’s the Costanza defense* – “Jerry… just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it.”

    *Warning: Not an actual legal defense

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    chopper says:

    @debbie:

    jesus he sounds like my 5 year old when he pretends to take office calls on his fisher price toy phone set.

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    Aleta says:

    @Kay:

    he’s in command of the Russia narrative

    It’s all advertising and event promotion to these people; that’s how they measure work and accomplishment.

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    J R in WV says:

    The minute I woke up and saw Betty Cracker’s post about Roseanne Barr, I instantly went to ABC.com’s contact page and sent them a message that I would only be watching their programming in order to select advertisers to boycott. Before I could post my comment on Betty’s post, the B-J squirrels went on strike and the DB error started.

    But I’m taking credit for the quickest, most effective activist boycott in the history of modern political thought!!! Sent to ABC, and ABC called Roseanne and fired that bigot cold. Awesome!

    I bet I wasn’t the first boycott promise they got, either. ‘Cause we sleep late sometimes. I was up really late last night, went to bed at 12 after the news and such. Got back up at 1:30 and spent a couple of hours surfing and reading, had a snack, went back to bed, laid there restlessly until probably 4. So I did my boycott message as soon as I could. Won’t look for her racist tweet, don’t need it will take Betty’s word for it.

    I wish I had a copy of my message to ABC, they have a limit on the length of messages, so I had to deletd an adjective here to add information there, it kept me succinct, if you know what I mean. Lean AND mean! But polite and professional.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @debbie:

    As I recall, she was never that great of a standup. The original show was good because of the writing, and Roseanne’s not-so-great acting was set off by the brilliance of Goodman and Metcalfe, and her striking persona carried the day.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Kay: The media is awful, as we know.

    The investigation continues to show a breathtaking amount of questionable activities, unethical behavior and collusion – though it’s not all necessarily criminal. But this is basically what’s been happening since Day 1. It’s the same story, every day: Trump is incredibly corrupt and at the very least had his people doing really awful things.

    Then you compare that to Trump, who shifts to a new (fake) outrage about the Russian investigation every day.

    The 2nd one is much more exciting, so they cover it more and talk about it more often, instead of showing that literally everything we’ve found out is really, really bad – and that all we’ve seen is the public information about the case.

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    Beezus says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Sorry if I am repeating what someone else may have left in the comments – but, apparently, all her re-runs are also being pulled from TV Land, Nick at Nite, etc. I feel bad for the people COUNTING on the residual income from repeats.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    That opening scene with Ivanka, Jethrene and Kellyanne as the Loreliars always gives me chills. Especially the part where Ivanka slips off the rocks and falls into the Rhine. But maybe that was just in the production I saw (Bayonne Dinner Theater, 2013).

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Steeplejack:

    And Spicer as Alberich?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Definitely. Not hard for someone to renounce love who never had a shot at it. Guffaw.

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    debbie says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Yeah, I saw a few of her shows. I didn’t mind the working-class angle, but she was too screechy for my ears. I made it about halfway through the new series premier, and she was so difficult to watch.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Like the Clinton’s directed UN black helicopters to surveil her home. She’s both nuts and a drunk.

    I didn’t realize Judge Pirro was *that* person. And they gave her a TV show?

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    Fair Economist says:

    @zhena gogolia: Way, way, back in the day, before the first Roseanne show, I really enjoyed her standup routines on TV (never saw her in person). She seemed intelligent and left-leaning at the time – I’d never have thought she’d end up like this.

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    Jack the Second says:

    @Gelfling 545: None of those words is “Trump” so I’m not sure he’d read it.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Kay:

    Golf courses are dying too. There are two in this county that are being sold at “absolute auction”- that means they’ll take just about anything for them. They can’t give them away.

    They have to cater to new customers or they die, and 70 year old white guys aren’t new customers.

    I am not yet 70 years old thank you very much Kay!

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @SFAW: por que no los tres

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    Jay says:

    @sublime33:

    Kathy Griffin’s world wide comedy tour is sold out, 8 months in advance of the last shows.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Fuck Roseanne with Trump’s tiny dick. Maybe he will hire her to replace Possum Queen.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Mart: you still have conservative friends/family? …

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    J R in WV says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I see them because lots of helicopters fly over around here – can’t have a 400,000,000 dragline idle for a $50,000 part when a helicopter can deliver it today… Also surveying for the oil and gas boom, spraying for the gas production lines and transmission lines, powerlines, etc. Come fall they’ll spend — waste — a lot of time and money searching for pot farms, also, too.

    Life Flights, the Governor’s chopper, the DEP’s chopper, etc, etc.

    So no Bolivian marching powder needed. Just slightly better than average hearing.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Basically, Roseanne blew up her own career a second time — she blew it up last time by acting like a crazy narcissist and making bizarre demands. She spent about a decade in the wilderness, got some plastic surgery, and did some cameo roles to try and demonstrate she wasn’t crazy anymore.

    It’s not that she wasn’t or isn’t talented. It’s that she’s a crazy (probably narcissistic) asshole who’s bent on professional self-destruction. She’s like a female Mickey Rourke — she squandered any goodwill that her talent created with her terrible off-camera behavior.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    We were talking about Sara Gilbert, for chrissakes.

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    chopper says:

    damn open thread upstairs totally cock blocked the TBogg.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @J R in WV: saw a black helicopter this weekend over St. Simons. Looked like a training exercise from Glynco, or maybe Adam keeping an eye on me.

    @chopper: it’s not dead yet, oh ye of little faith

    Damnit—should have made that a separate post!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Steeplejack: has she been in much since “little house on the prairie”?

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    This is someone else thoughts about Roseanne and I agree 100%

    Roseanne has BEEN racist.

    Why.
    Are.
    We.
    Forgetting.
    How.
    Racist.
    She.
    Has.
    Been?

    She.
    Largely.
    Drove.
    The.
    Birther.
    Movement.
    Against.
    President.
    Obama.

    Roseanne.
    Is.
    Also.
    Transphobic.
    And.
    Blocks.
    People.
    When.
    They.
    Question.
    Her.

    ROSEANNE CAN GO, but ABC gets no cookies for realizing that she was a bigot years after she already told us she was a bigot. She made a bigoted statement and ABC knew backlash would occur. As a result, her show was canceled. Bigot yesterday, bigot today, bigot tomorrow.

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    wuzzat says:

    @Fair Economist: The first Roseanne show was also often intelligent and left-leaning at the time. I honestly don’t know if she really changed that much or if her handlers were just better at their jobs back then.

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    gorram says:

    @wuzzat: IMO she got mixed up with anti-trans women conspiracy theorists and just kind of never recovered, allegedly a lot of third wave feminists sadly went down that rabbit hole and never came back. It’s deeply reminiscent of her current conspiratorial attitude especially with regards to calling people Nazis while being buddy-buddy with literal neo-Nazis, and also somehow viewing Soros as anti-Jewish. A lot of people in that anti-trans woman scene simultaneously think trans women were invented by the Nazis and are some sort of a Jewish plot, so it comes off similarly.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Sorry, I lost the thread. For some reason I thought you were responding to debbie @ 345, not Shana further up. 💁

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    Ruckus says:

    @Kay:
    There are a couple of other reasons, money being the big one. If you have a lot of it you can belong to a very private golf club. If you have a middling amount you have to play at one of the lower order clubs, like drumpf’s dumps. And Nascar has the same problem, fans getting older and new fans can’t afford the tickets/hotel costs, let alone the beer for the weekend. The country is starting to see the effects of the uber wealthy stealing every extra nickel and dime from everyone just as the boomers are starting to die off in bigger numbers. Smaller, poorer customer base not a good way to keep all that money flowing in. Besides anything that hurts the France family (own Nascar) is OK by me.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @wuzzat:

    She had better writers and producers who were able to sit on her and minimize her nuttiness. Once she gained enough power, she managed to destroy her own show with her antics.

    The most famous story at the end of her original show’s run was that she was firing writers so fast, she issued numbered t-shirts to the writing staff so she wouldn’t have to be bothered to learn the names of people she was going to fire anyway. And she never got less crazy, she just got less power to screw with people like that.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Back home where I grew up, way back in the coal boom times the mine owners founded a country club on what was then the rural edge of town. It’s now bankrupt, sold at auction, no golfers left. There are a couple newer courses farther out of town, I don’t know how they’re doing.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ruckus: bad news for nascar, good news for formula one?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    No problem. I make no defense of Roseanne Barr, and I don’t defend Sara Gilbert in this current hoo-ha. She had to know what a loose cannon Roseanne is, and the whole setup of the new show was like waving raw meat in front of a grizzly bear. Roseanne was bound to explode (again), especially (as you pointed out) once they could no longer keep her locked down on a daily basis.

    But I didn’t like the vibe I perceived of moving from “Sara Gilbert bears some responsibility for this clusterfuck” to the personal (and fact-free) piling-on: “Poor thing, she hasn’t really done anything since the original show.” It’s gratuitous, and what’s the point?

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    @SFBayAreaGal:

    Bigot yesterday, bigot today, bigot tomorrow.

    Totally agree, and that’s much more effective than the one-line one word thing you were rolling with, imnsho.
    The other one I like is, a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots, though that was usually brought up in the event of philandering and con men.
    I sense a trend.

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    @chopper: I dunno man, still early in the ET, though we’re prolly gonna wander way, way OT to get there.

    I remember the first Roseanne and how her sister character went from job to job, the kids grew up on screen, and how most of the time the family and conversation were on the ‘home’ set. It was definitely one of the go-to shows because Barr could be brash, sassy, and still show a human touch; the main topic thread of any given show was relatable because it was based on a real life I could understand, in contrast to All in the Family or Maude or, Gaia save us, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.. There was also space for other characters to grow and have their own story lines. How to separate that out from the dismal shitstains in real life, I’m uncertain. Do I now decide what I liked earlier is crap because of what I know now? What it was then hasn’t changed.

    And holy smokes, there was never, ever anything like Hot L Baltimore.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Formula One? Is that a baby food?
    It’s never really been all that big here.
    Nascar was a few years ago. But people started getting greedy, some in charge were/are pretty full of themselves, facilities were getting older, you might remember we had a not insignificant recession, my fellow boomers are starting to die off in greater numbers, and it is possible that people have grown somewhat tired of hanging around drunks (I think about half the people that showed up at a Nascar race went for the parties and barbecue.

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    Ruckus says:

    @BruceFromOhio:
    Damn another Hot l Baltimore fan!
    Well that’s at least 2.

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    @Steve in the ATL: Last summer, MrsFromOhio and I played hooky and went out on a sandbar near Sandusky, OH, on Lake Erie. We were just hanging out, hiking around and soaking up the sun, when we hear this most amazing mechanical sound. It’s not unusual to have all manner of aircraft flying through that sector, it’s one of the busier commercial corridors. But this was something way beyond that.

    We look all around, and here comes a flight of four Chinooks along the shoreline in a 1-2-1 formation, cruising about angels 10, and scaring the crap out of the wildlife. It was both cool and formidable.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ruckus: Rich people like open wheel racing; nascar is for rubes and trailer trash

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @BruceFromOhio: damn—four of them? That must have been some great coke!

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    JR says:

    @randy khan: Toleration is not the opposite of intoleration, but is the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, and the other of granting it.

    Tom Paine

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Like I said above, Gilbert made the common mistake of thinking an abusive asshole like Roseanne could be trusted to keep their word. Trump’s not the only narcissist who destroys or damages everyone who comes in contact with them.

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    @Steve in the ATL: LOLolol no, but we were certainly having a good time out there. The sound of just one is pretty convincing, four of them together defies words, and they were running at a pretty good clip. That they just kept on going was also a good thing.

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    chopper says:

    TBOGG!

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    Ruckus says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    This is true but there is far more trailer trash with no money these days and while it takes money to enjoy F1 I just don’t see F1 ever having the kind of draw that Nascar had a few years ago.

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    @Ruckus: It was a secret, guilty pleasure, staying up late on school nights to hear swear words on network teevee.

    Chopper, sorry man, but a TBogg unit is 500 comments. Totally dig the decor, though, reminds me of an acid trip while watching reruns of Time Tunnel.

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    chopper says:

    @BruceFromOhio:

    i know. i’m just trying to keep the mood up. there’s almost a hundo left and it’s petering out

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    chopper says:

    to be fair i would have said ‘let’s TBogg this motherfucker’ but it wouldn’t have worked in the nesting boxes.

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    Yutsano says:

    @BruceFromOhio: It’s an aspirational comment. And we’re getting there!

    I mean, after Roseanne got herself immersed in juicy birfer goodness, it was only a matter of time until her brain got totally infected.

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    frosty says:

    Never watched her first show, didn’t even thing of watching this one. During the first run, though, I had a lot of admiration for John Goodman. She was in the tabloids constantly and I never saw a peep from him on anything she did. A stand up guy.

    ETA: and that’s my first contribution to a potential TBogg.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    And the dream dies hard.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @sublime33:

    Are you seriously comparing the Dixie Chicks “I just want you to know I’m embarrassed that Bush is from Texas” to Roseanne’s “Valerie Jarrett looks like an ape”?

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’m old enough to remember Roseanne on Carson and thought she was really funny (in a female Jay Leno sort of way). It wasn’t until the National Anthem fiasco that I started picking up on the fact that she was bug-nuts crazy.

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    NotMax says:

    @Ruckus

    Acted in the play once. Enjoyed muchly what Conchata Ferrell brought to the part of April in tranposing it from her run on the stage to the short-lived TV show.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    Not much chance of Tbogging this one, but I’ll do my part.
    Roseanne appears to have gone on a Twitter tear after the firing and now is blaming it all on Ambien.

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