“It was sort of like a gift,” Giuliani said of stolen emails that Trump campaign officials solicited publicly and privately, retaining his title as America’s worst lawyer. https://t.co/5XpmpKS5SL
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) May 22, 2018
The FBI probe into my client’s collusion is a partisan witch hunt, and besides so what that he did it, who cares??
— Jeff Matson (@JeffMatsonRV) May 23, 2018
The narcissist assumes the thing they can’t have must be really valuable – or the enemy wouldn’t keep it from them.
Narcissists truly can’t process that sometimes the other person’s reasons have nothing to do with them…
2/
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) May 22, 2018
We’re seeing this phenomenon play out right now with Trump and the FBI/DOJ.
Trump compulsively assumes any info they won’t give him MUST be valuable and helpful to him… and is only being held back to hurt him.
4/
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) May 22, 2018
Trump truly cannot process that the info the FBI is holding back might actually HURT him.
He is incapable of processing that the FBI might just be shielding a witness’ identity – because that reason doesn’t revolve around Trump.
It HAS to be about him. Who else exists?
5/
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) May 22, 2018
That’s the basic setup for the Trump-DOJ/FBI showdown we’re watching play out.
The info Trump wants will actually be damaging. It will deepen his problems.
In his primitive, toddler mind, anything an enemy won’t give him must be super valuable though.
8/
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) May 22, 2018
— Brian Tashman (@briantashman) May 23, 2018
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
That Hannity screenshot is killer. Someone should tweet it at the Orange menace. Maybe it will sour relations between the two?
Mike in DC
Gonna be a bunch of nonsense until the next wave of indictments and pleas. Then the nonsense will get worse.
Rabble Arouser
No Mr. President, you can’t have those Tide Pods.
Corner Stone
First thing I have ever agreed with Hannity on. Trump is a disgrace to this country. Good headline, bro.
TenguPhule
I recall this was also his approach to nuclear weapons.
Amir Khalid
Rudy G should quit “defending” his client on TV. The more he says, the guiltier Trump looks.
Ryan
Stupid Watergate is a disservice to Watergate.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
All of this makes me wish we had a Congress that would actually try to restrain this dick
Amir Khalid
@Rabble Arouser:
I like this gambit.
Corner Stone
@Amir Khalid: Rudy is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Give him another week or so and 40% of voters will agree that receiving a gift from a foreign country is perfectly reasonable. In fact, you’d be stupid to not take advantage of it. Because Clinton Foundation!!
debbie
@Amir Khalid:
Hush!
TenguPhule
Naive AF.
Corner Stone
@Mike in DC: Mueller is taking too long. I would argue he has already failed.
I don’t care if Manafort and Cohen do a 100 years a piece or not.
Corner Stone
@TenguPhule: “These nice things I am saying should absolutely shame and convince Trump to play nice.”
/Said some idiot.
trollhattan
Does Rudy not know how to pronounce “grift”? Get with the program, Rudy.
Aleta
@Corner Stone: He is supposed to sow doubt, or just swirl some confusion around. And change the focus.
Jeffro
@Corner Stone: Don’t forget Loretta Lynch, Uranium One, Valerie Jarrett, and also you know Hillary should TOTALLY have gone to jail over Benghazi!! DEEP STATE!!1!
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Corner Stone:
Investigations take time. Do you want it done right or not? We need a record of Trump’s wrongdoing. Mueller was never going to save us by himself. It has always been up to us to save ourselves.
Rabble Arouser
@Corner Stone: Taking “too long” on what scale? I know that most of us would prefer this was at least ramping up to more indictments at this point, but I’d also rather hold the barricades, politically-speaking, while the Mueller team builds an airtight case against anyone and everyone who conspired against the United States. His aiming for, and missing, this administration would be an unmitigated disaster on many fronts. My two cents.
trollhattan
@Corner Stone:
It takes what it takes. To use a gold-panning metaphor, when you stop finding nuggets and flakes you cash in your haul and move on to another stream. Mueller finds nuggets under every pebble and nuggets under nuggets, plus there’s a hellofa lot of streambed left to pan.
In this metaphor, use nugget as a replacement for turd.
Jeffro
As I said in an earlier thread, it’s nice to see Rudy lining up with what my RWNJ brother has been saying for at least 6 months now: “ok…maybe Trump happened to benefit…that’s not a crime…”
Gee I dunno. Maybe when you solicit the aid of a hostile foreign power in a conspiracy against the United States, receive stolen goods, launder money, lie to investigators, and obstruct justice…maybe that’s more than just “happening” to benefit…
Alain the site fixer
Test
sukabi
@Amir Khalid: Rudy is doing what he’s doing to protect himself first. He was the recipient of and disseminator of info on dnc leaked emails and also had fore knowledge of when wikileaks would post damaging info on Clinton. Also had inside info from the NY FBI office on Clinton investigation, into he shouldn’t have been privvy to.
tobie
@Jeffro: I worry for you, Jeffro. You’ve plumbed the depths of the Republican psyche. Every Republican I know thinks like this. It’s scary.
(Oops…I see you’ve got Trumpers in your family. Take cover and take care.)
Frankensteinbeck
@Aleta:
Well, he’s doing the opposite. He’s dragging attention constantly back to Trump’s crimes, saying things that are going to make defending Trump in court much harder, and finding a new way to make Trump look guilty to the general public every time he opens his mouth.
TenguPhule
@Corner Stone:
Not yet, but increasingly looking less then optimal.
At the rate things are deteriorating, we may not have a working justice system to follow up on Mueller’s findings.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
The perfect can be the enemy of the good.
Jeffro
@Rabble Arouser: I think he’s going to investigate as long and as thoroughly as humanly possible, and then drop dozens if not hundreds of charges on the lot of them. Gonna be a helluva day…
Corner Stone
@Rabble Arouser: There is a vacuum that is being filled by Trump et al. While I don’t want Mueller leaking to the press, the entire narrative is being devoured. The longer this goes on, the more Rudy stands unopposed as spokesman for the Mueller team, the less effective any result will be. Just watch, Rudy will continue saying outlandish things, no one in the media will effectively rebut him and when a deadline he proposes or an agreement he says has been reached is broken – it will be 24/7 Bad Faith by Mueller and that he lied to the professional lawyer Rudy.
Listen to what Trump said on the WH lawn today, “We’re calling it SPYGATE, and (jabbing stubby fingers at press) you’re calling it SPYGATE.”
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Frankensteinbeck:
Sorry to be a wetblanket, but isn’t this the same public (well 59% of voters aware of the Russia investigation) who said they haven’t heard of any indictments by the investigation?
sukabi
@Frankensteinbeck: well then he should carry on and in fact should increase the speed and lunacy of his defense.
Jeffro
@tobie: Thanks, I think!
They’re really not hard to mimic. Just turn off all your critical thinking skills and find an excuse for everything Orangemandias does. Oh and the excuse always has to be the fault of/a conspiracy by the LIBTARDS!/DEEP STATE!/etc etc. Yawn. What a boring life.
Corner Stone
@trollhattan: I like your gold panning iconography. Newsletter?
Frankensteinbeck
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Which is why there’s any room left for Giuliani to screw things up for Trump. The narrative I’ve been hearing on TV is a mix of ‘Giuliani is going crazy’ and ‘Giuliani keeps saying things that make Trump’s life worse.’ Personally, I think the only truly relevant effect is that the prosecution will use some of Giuliani’s comments to refute motions by Trump’s lawyers. Mueller is working in a court of law, not public opinion.
Archon
I always thought a better play from Trump would have been to admit collusion from the beginning, make it about “playing to win” and turn it into a partisan/sore loser issue.
West of the Rockies
So, Kushner again has his clearance. NPR reporting he “may be out of the woods” in terms of legal jeopardy after an all-day chat with Mueller.
For the first time, I’m having a shred of doubt about the investigation.
trollhattan
The dumbing down of America continues apace, ironic Latin edition.
trollhattan
@Corner Stone:
Watch for Volume I, Issue 1 in your inbox! Any day/week/lifetime now.
Corner Stone
@Archon: It’s what he has always been aiming toward. But he needed to destroy truth first. Now he has reached the goal posts of, “Yeah, but I won!” That was all he ever wanted to get out of this. Now it will be sore losers trying to steal “YOUR PRESIDENT FROM YOU!”
burnspbesq
@Corner Stone:
You don’t have to prove you’re a fucking moron every single day. Take the rest of the week off. Get a cheap motel room in Port Aransas and drink yourself into a stupor.
Mary G
We didn’t steal them. They just fell off some truck going by!
Corner Stone
@burnspbesq: Port Aransas is still trying to recover from Harvey. So pick another suggestion. Oh, and go fuck yourself.
Jean
@West of the Rockies: Yeah, I’m having doubts too. Jared was at risk of having his security clearance pulled, and now he’s gained “permanent security clearance” by the FBI? Doesn’t make sense.
Corner Stone
@trollhattan: Ahh, a collectible on par with, “Dewey Defeats Truman”
Corner Stone
Jeff Flake and Comey can take a Thelma and Louise type ride off a cliff as far as I am concerned. They should both just shut up and go away.
Timurid
@West of the Rockies:
Wishful Thinking Alert:
Maybe he flipped?
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Jean:
I thought the White House gives out security clearances?
Jay
@Jeffro:
Derp State!!!!!!!!!!
Yarrow
@Timurid: He’s unlikely to take the fall for his father-in-law.
TenguPhule
@Corner Stone:
Already happening with the FYNYT. Fucking headlines of shame.
ruemara
@Timurid: ARGH. No. Trump granted it.
Jean
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: I’m confused by the report, then.
TenguPhule
@Archon:
It took them a year to find out if enough Americans were stupid and nasty enough to buy that.
Apparently they have their answer now.
Mary G
Huh?
Chet Murthy
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: @Timurid:
Pessimistic take: yeap, Shitmidas just ordered ’em to do it, and they folded, after N attempts to slow-walk it.
Slightly optimistic take:maybe this something the FBI gave Shitlord as a way to placate him. I mean, the fucking PDB is going to Putin every goddamn night via Hannity, so how much worse could it be having ClownPrince read in?
TenguPhule
@Frankensteinbeck:
Trump is working to dismantle the first and right now is the loudest voice in the second.
This doesn’t bode well.
Bobby Thomson
@Corner Stone:
They’ve been there for over a year. IOKIYAR is eternal.
TenguPhule
@Chet Murthy:
He sells it to everyone else. The Iranians, the North Koreans, China.
TenguPhule
@Corner Stone:
The media bent the knee, tugged the forelock and complied.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Corner Stone: Patience grasshopper, it was 2 years and change from the date of the Watergate breaking to the Nixon resignation. Patience.
Platonailedit
The coward roger badall folds and gives the traitorous thug another win.
Jeffro
@Corner Stone: @Bobby Thomson: No shit. This was HILLARY they were up against – EVERYTHING is excused.
(barf)
?BillinGlendaleCA
@TenguPhule:
Yes, but the good has to be good beyond a reasonable doubt.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Did Nixon try to pack the federal courts during Watergate? Before my time.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Touche.
Amir Khalid
@West of the Rockies:
Mueller isn’t in charge of vetting White House staff for security clearances. A chat with him would do nothing for Jared in that matter.
Kathleen
@Timurid: Thinking the same thing. Great minds and all.
TenguPhule
@West of the Rockies:
NPR is the audio equivalent of the FTFNYT these days.
Speculations in ignorance.
JPL
@Amir Khalid: It is beginning to appear that Trump granted the clearance. Yesterday he said that the constitution gave him that right and today voila!!!
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Corner Stone:
I wonder if that Cardassian technique from TNT to brainwash Picard to think there were more lights than there were in reality would work on these dummies?
Corner Stone
@?BillinGlendaleCA: This isn’t 1970.
TenguPhule
National Guard prepares for air evacuations if lava cuts off key Puna highway
Today’s Volcano news.
Also, 1st victim yesterday of the eruption. Guy got hit by a lava bomb on the leg in a home he was caretaking. He survived. His leg mostly survived. The house was a loss. He was very very lucky.
West of the Rockies
@Amir Khalid:
Well, then NPR is conflating matters a bit.
Anyway, I do hope that Joffrey Kushner meets a worthy end.
Jeffro
@JPL: That’s exactly right – Trumpov granting the clearance is about the only way this could have happened.
Should be exciting to hear more about it, though, RIGHT MAINSTREAM MEDIA?!?! Have you given up on this quite obvious and juicy target: why. does. Jared. Kushner. have. any. sort. of security. clearance?? Inquiring minds want to know!
Mart
@Corner Stone: Well the first Independent Counsel (selected by Janet Reno) reviewing Bill & Hillary Clintons’ Whitewater deal started in 1994 – before Lewinski started working at the White House After a year, where they could not find anything illegal, they hire Starr. Starr spends another three years sniffing around Clinton’s underwear until he finds some cum on a blue dress. Mueller has 20 some indictments and four pleas in the first year. Mueller is moving along just fine. The media however, needs to burn in hell. Timeline
?BillinGlendaleCA
@TenguPhule:
He certainly tried to get as many Republicans on the bench as possible, if that’s what you mean by “packing the federal courts”. Court packing usually refers to increasing the size of the courts. I would also call deferring a nominee so that a President from the opposition party can appoint judges a form of packing.
Bobby Thomson
@?BillinGlendaleCA: and no Fox News. And Howard Baker and Sam Rayburn were typical southern politicians.
West of the Rockies
@TenguPhule:
NPR does seem to love them some healthy servings of Bothsides Souffle.
Jeffro
@Mart:
Great point!
I’ve got a spare hour or two tomorrow…I think I’ll crank out an op-ed titled, “Hey Wingers! We Actually Hate The Media More Than You Do (And For the Right Reasons)”
Couldn’t hurt! =)
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Amir Khalid: Trump is the ultimate authority for classification, if he wants to Putin a Top Secret clearance, he can.
tobie
@West of the Rockies:
IANAL but this strikes me as spin put out by Kushner’s PR team. I can’t imagine the Special Counsel’s office telling Kushner, “You’re likely clear but we can’t confirm this quite yet.” I’ll let the lawyers who post here weigh in.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
They deferred a shit ton of Obama’s nominees, resulting in a large number of unfilled judge slots now.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Corner Stone: The Watergate breaking happened in June of 1972, Nixon resigned in August of 1974.
khead
Cole has been on a roll on Twitter today. I agree with everything he says with respect to the NFL/anthem. Also, poor dude would have a rage stroke if he had to deal with Philly/Baltimore/DC traffic.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Have I mentioned just how much I hate this timeline?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@TenguPhule: That’s the Turtle’s doing, but that’s not the traditional meaning of packing the courts.
tobie
@?BillinGlendaleCA: One of the ironies of all this is that Hillary had the authority to declassify State Department documents, reports, briefs, etc. when she was Secretary of State, but no one felt like that cleared her of any and all accusations of sending classified material over her server, which she didn’t do in any event. Life’s so unfair.
Corner Stone
@Mart: Clinton resisted the investigation as much as possible but in the end followed the rule of law. WJC also had surrogates out bashing the investigation. No president likes getting their panties sniffed. But Trump is attempting to destroy truth itself and cast such a shadow over LEO and others that the longer he has the bully pulpit the less people will believe anything reported out by Mueller is true. Mueller can indict Manafort and Cohen and 100 Russians all he likes. Nobody will give a shit and no one will tie it back to Trump in any damaging way. You think there’s not another Roger Stone Jr or Manafort or Lewandowski or Cohen out there just salivating at stealing everything they can get their hands on?
Amir Khalid
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
It frightens me that Trump might actually do that just because he can.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Corner Stone:
@Bobby Thomson:
Well, I guess Trump is going to be President for life and the US is going to become a one-party state because the investigation is moving fast enough in the opinion of fretting non-experts. Case closed. Should we all drink the cyanide-laced Hawaiian Punch at the same time?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Bobby Thomson: Sam Rayburn died in 1961, I think you Sam Ervin(D – NC).
?BillinGlendaleCA
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Yup, WASF.
Corner Stone
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Yes, but I’d like to make sure the sugar level is just right. So please let us know.
charluckles
Just had a commercial come across youtube that was Trump urging me to take a survey about “fake news.”
Elizabelle
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Thank you, Goku.
I am not down with the Eeyore vibe either. Makes me slappy.
zhena gogolia
@Elizabelle:
But on the other hand, I’ve been reading Winnie the Pooh today in a 1927 edition and damn are those illustrations of Eeyore good.
Frances Perkins
I have read a great deal about the rise of Nazism in Germany. Trump’s lying statements echo the methodology of that master propagandist, Adolph Hitler who knew that people will believe big lies if repeated endlessly. It is no coincidence that Ivana Trump said that her husband, from time to time, read from a book of Hitler’s speeches.
zhena gogolia
@Frances Perkins:
I believe he’s following Putin’s techniques very closely.
Corner Stone
And why didn’t Leslie Stahl report this interaction with Trump right after it happened? Back before the 2016 election?
Elizabelle
@tobie: Agreed.
And Nice Polite Republicans has been extra heavy on the “Republicans” part lately. Here in central VA, the local NPR station is splitting its program into “News” and “Classical/Jazz” on different channels.
I am so going to follow the music channel. Will get news at the top of the hour, I guess, but no more of this timid spin. NPR is pretty good, in total, but it is too goddamned timid.
I think a lot of news providers are putting Trump’s words out there with the idea he will hang himself. What they don’t get is that, without fact-checking and context, the words reinforce with his supporters.
And NPR seems to think Trump supporters tune in to NPR too, because they sure bend over and present their ass, over and over and over again.
They and the FTF NYTimes seem to think there is nothing they can do to lose their “liberal” audience. They is wrong.
JPL
@Corner Stone: The Hill is saying that Trump is using spy rather than informant, because it sounds more nefarious Of course, Trump would never say nefarious.
Elizabelle
@Corner Stone: Because she is a whore. A media whore.
Timurid
@ruemara:
Referring to the “out of the woods with Mueller” rumors.
Elizabelle
@Frances Perkins: Yeah. Hitler and Goebbels. With Fox News in there, as Leni Riefenstahl, but more stupid.
MisterForkbeard
@Corner Stone: You’d think “Trump says he purposefully attacks the media so people won’t believe it when they dig up dirt on him.” is a fucking news story.
Elizabelle
@zhena gogolia: Oh, I bet. I have nothing against Eeyore as the Pooh character. Or Tigger or Roo …. they are so charming.
Enjoy. Beautiful illustrations are a pleasure.
tobie
@Elizabelle: Someone from the Center for American Progress recently said that Democrats need to stop trying to be fair and learn to speak strongly and clearly about what’s going on. We need some moral outrage. I’m trying to think who in the Democratic coalition is any good at this and should be the face the party puts forward. I’ve been impressed with Ron Wyden; McCaskill can be surprisingly good at this, too. But who else do we have in elected office? I actually don’t think Kamala Harris is great on TV but I’m probably in the minority. But what’s clear to me is we need some good old fashioned self-righteousness in the face of Republican thuggery and corruption.
ETA: Maybe that Obama guy can come out of retirement? Since Trump’s broken all norms, why respect the norm that former Presidents should stay mum.
MJS
@MisterForkbeard: Yes, it would have been a story. Trump would have admitted to it, and used it to great applause at his rallies. Not one vote would have been changed.
TenguPhule
@tobie:
That would have been Al Franken.
But the party had to knife him because reasons.
Baud
So according to Chris Hayes, who has a prime time show on a cable news network, when Americans don’t understand how many indictments Mueller has obtained, it’s the “Democrats Blowing It.”
JPL
@TenguPhule: Gillibrand.
Elizabelle
@tobie: Yes. I agree. Not hair on fire, but stern. Even humorous, because you’re dealing with buffoons, but in serious positions, doing serious and lasting damage.
Baud
Apparently, the Dems are now a media outlet as well as a political party. Perhaps we are a floor wax and a desert topping too.
Corner Stone
@MJS: Could have used it being heard/reported before the election. May of 2018 doesn’t do shit, no matter what you think about the 2016 election scene.
B.B.A.
@TenguPhule: 98% of the country thinking he’s a sexual predator is a damn good reason.
Corner Stone
@tobie:
Not if he’s going to continue doing President Obama.
Elizabelle
@B.B.A.: Really? I don’t think Al Franken is a sexual predator. Neither does 98% of the country. Where did you get that figure?
Corner Stone
@B.B.A.:
I missed where that was reported by a credible source?
Yarrow
@tobie:
Kushner’s PR shop? That’s the one that Maggie Haberman’s mom works for, right?
Yarrow
@Baud: Chris Hayes, useful idiot.
Platonailedit
@Corner Stone: Says the idiot who jerks off to cable noise idiots.
Elizabelle
@Yarrow: Yeah. I never ever watch Chris Hayes, for just that reason.
Love having cut the cord. I can get MSNBC online, but only catch a tiny bit of the crew in the evening, and only in small doses.
Forget who gave me this link, but it’s helpful. http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/ — and then choose Rockin Rooster’s newsfeed, which is MSNBC.
Baud
@Yarrow: I’m beginning to question his usefulness.
MJS
@Corner Stone: Hearing it in 2015 or 2016 wouldn’t have done shit either. Trump is/was popular because he hated/hates the press. Hearing that story pre-election would have burnished those credentials.
Feebog
@Corner Stone:
So you would prefer Mueller hurries things along, makes an irreversible error as a result, and Trumpov skates. Fuck that noise. Mueller only gets one shot at this, and I for one want him to score a perfect ten. When the indictments start raining down public opinion will shift biggly.
Yarrow
@Baud: He’s not useful for us.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Nope, “Bag of Glass”.
Platonailedit
Kay is right. Checks and balances is a joke.
Corner Stone
@MJS: And it does what for anyone in 2018? It’s fucking cowardice to think it would have been useless or helpful to Trump pre-election.
Corner Stone
@Platonailedit: I’m looking around for you here but don’t see you. I masturbate to Gilligan’s Island re-runs.
Elizabelle
@Yarrow: I think a lot of MSNBC’s programming and anchors/correspondents are awful. Never forget, they’re NBC corporate.
MJS
Didn’t say it means shit now. And “cowardice”? What the fuck are you on about? If there’s any “cowardice” here, it’s on the part of the “It’s over. Mueller took too long” crowd.
Corner Stone
@Feebog: I’d like some pushback. Sorry if that offends. Oh wait. No I’m not.
59% of the public thinks the Mueller investigation has found nothing. But I guess he can keep indicting Papadapoulouseses by the dozens.
Steeplejack
Oh, now Chris Hayes decides to get all “tough interviewer”—with Cynthia Nixon?! I have no problem with that, but it is in stark contrast to his lapdog treatment of every Repub apparatchik ever.
Corner Stone
@MJS: I am on about the media failing the nation during 2015/2016. They were and are cowards. It means nothing now for LS to report this anecdote. You saying it only could have helped Trump is the kind of garbage I am referring to.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elizabelle: True, Alex Witt for example is utterly useless. She’s pretty much Chris Cillizza. But I don’t think that’s the case with Hayes, who’s infatuated with Bernie Sanders and once compared Obama unfavorably to Nixon, because of metadata. The rumor a couple of years ago was that Andy Lack was looking to get rid of him
Baud
@Steeplejack: She looked a bit nervous.
Steeplejack
And, hey, Rachel, fuck that guy Jeff Flake. Fuck him up his stupid ass. You are headlining him on your show with his criticism of Trump. He has voted 100% with the Trump/GOP agenda, so apparently his only problems with Trump are on style, not substance.
. . . Okay, Rachel is starting to drag him a little bit now. Hmmph.
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Would you miss Chris Hayes? I don’t think it would be a loss at all.
Why can’t they give David Cay Johnson a year’s contract? He could have David Farenthold, and Michael Hiltzik (LA Times) and Paul Krugman on, and not talk over them. Heck, Bruce Bartlett and David Stockman and David Frum too.
Have someone with substance and balls. But MSNBC rarely seems to serve that up. Unless it’s Nichole Wallace, I guess, putting the noncrazy GOP in the best light possible.
Even Rachel Maddow has her blind spots, be they her own or what she adopts for corporate survivability.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
I thought she handled him pretty well, laying him off with some good sound-bitey verbiage. Didn’t see all of the segment, though, just the last part, where he was questioning her expertise/experience to be governor. Valid questions, but he was much more “aggressive”—in his lapdog way—with her than he ever is with Rethugs spouting straight-up bullshit.
Elizabelle
ETA: And Jane Mayer! Realized my list of wished for journalists is all white males. Shame on me, truly.
Never forget the Jane Mayers — who else?
Maggie Haberman is such a goddamned mouthwash-swilling tool.
MJS
@Corner Stone: Sorry, you’re right, Leslie Stahl handed the election to Trump, and people like me who think her silence didn’t result in his election are selling the country out. Those like you who have given up all hope in the Mueller investigation are the true heroes.
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
They’ve got “someone with substance and balls.” Give Joy Reid a regular weeknight slot.
By the way, has anyone noticed how she weathered the “homophobic” onslaught just fine and all those voices have mysteriously shut up and disappeared?
Baud
@Steeplejack: Once the suits at msnbc stuck by her, there was no purpose to keeping up the protest.
Steeplejack
Repeating this from the “Site Updates” thread, which seems to be dead:
Damn it, now there’s yet another autoplay ad on every page (desktop site, Win10, Firefox)—this one from Connatix—that I can’t seem to get AdBlock Plus to kill. Grr!
It’s down the right side, under “Support Our Sponsors.”
Just One More Canuck
@burnspbesq: He doesn’t have to prove that he’s a moron – he just chooses to do so
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack: Yes. Bring on Joy Reid. She’s solid and strong.
I don’t watch daytime TV or news, unless it’s Law & Order reruns. ;-)
Rabble Arouser
@Elizabelle: I know you weren’t addressing me, but I wanted to chime in and say that MSNBC could get a whole ‘nother hour or viewership out of me if they’d replace Hayes. At best, he’s not adding any value and at worst, he acts like a sapper, undermining Democratic Party positions and momentum at almost every turn. I’d be happy to see a potato in that chair, but David Cay Johnson would be an amazing thing to witness.
No Drought No More
“My client is above the law. He wasn’t kidding, he never kids. Haven’t you noticed that he always means what he says? Or are you a democrat? ha ha ha ha ha… Seriously. He literally could murder someone on 5th Ave. and get away with it, because the republican party has his back. Your so-called American democracy? Fuck you”.
It’s a perfect example of Karl Rove pronouncement that the republican party will be in charge of making history from this point forward, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. I paraphrase.. Also: “watch what you say”, a warning the leadership of the democratic party has taken to heart for far too long.
J R in WV
@Alain the site fixer:
I see your test, and raise it TEST…
No — I raise it TEST!!!!
Elizabelle
@Rabble Arouser: Let’s write to Andy Lack. I mean, like he gives a fuck what his viewers think.
But this could be David Cay Johnson’s moment, and you are so right about Chris Hayes being a sapper. I hate to think what is his demographic.
Steeplejack
@zhena gogolia:
E.H. Shepard? I love his illustrations for The Wind in the Willows.
mike in dc
@Elizabelle: I want a week-in-review show on MSNBC with Elon James White, Aaron Freeman, Imani Gandy and rotating guest roster.
Corner Stone
@Just One More Canuck: Oh man, that hurts. That one hurts.
Elizabelle
@mike in dc: That sounds great too. I don’t know who Mr. Freeman is, but will look him up.
MSNBC should do some thinking on what recent election results are telling them, no?
And ditch Chris Matthews and Andrea Fucking Greenspan. They can show up as sappers on other peoples’ shows. Their sell by date is past.
Elizabelle
@burnspbesq: You know, there are people here I want to slap for being Eeyores. I never feel that way about Corner Stone.
I think it’s cable-TV induced despair. Cable is good at inducing that state, as you know.
Step away from the teevee. It is not your friend. It is not infallible.
Go pet a dog. Even if you have to stalk one.
J R in WV
@TenguPhule:
@TenguPhule:
Wait…they want to build railroads between the Islands??????? Whut….!!???
Corner Stone
@MJS: Hay look, if you want to sleep on that bed of straw then keep spreading it. Maybe some think the media failed us bigly prior to the election and think they could have done better informing the portion of eligible voters who got nothing but shit from the headlines of the NYT. They certainly could not have done worse.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Ginger? Mary Ann? The Skipper? Depends on your mood?
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s really more about the zeitgeist. Are we all truly lost? Do our actions ever amount to anything? If there is no purpose to our ambling through life then isn’t self-gratification as rational an outcome as any effort to self-survival?
Wild Cat
@Steeplejack: Hayes is a jerk who thinks conservatives are a needed check-and-balance to liberal overreach.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: So…. Mrs Howell?
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: …yes.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: That’s all you needed to say. I wasn’t going to judge.
Rabble Arouser
@mike in dc: Never mind recording it, I’d make sure to catch that live, every week.
J R in WV
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I hear that Turtle McConnell was in the US Army for, hmmm, maybe 9 months!??
So why did he get off so quickly wife asks me? I said, we can’t know, his DD214 appears to be missing!?!?!!!!
Gossip indicates he may have been fooling around with other male recruits/trainees. I had a roommate at Great Lakes who had taken Polaroid photos with another (male) trainee in order to receive a General Discharge. I never saw the photos, as someone (?!!) sent them to a leadership person at Great Lakes training facility. Imagine!?
Could Turtle McConnell have done something like that? We’ll never know, as the DD-214 discharge document is MISSING!!!!!???!!!!
zhena gogolia
@Steeplejack:
Yes.
Omnes Omnibus
@J R in WV: DD-214s say the type of discharge but not the reason for it.
SFAW
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
It wouldn’t — they can’t count that high.
SFAW
@Elizabelle:
58.3 percent of all statistics used in conversation — including online — are made up.
SFAW
@Corner Stone:
And what about … Naomi?
Elizabelle
@SFAW: LOL. Yep. Heard that from Abe Lincoln.
Steve in DUVAL!
@SFAW: on a related note, I learned during a golf match that 95% of putts that are short don’t go in.
MCA1
@Amir Khalid: The frightening part to me is that there is zero, ZERO reason right now to believe that a single Republican or Trumpista would do a goddamned thing about it, or in fact even find it more than mildly off-putting.
Vhh
@TenguPhule: yup.
SFAW
@Steve in DUVAL!:
The five percent is a rounding error.
Where the hell is DUVAL! ?
Corner Stone
@SFAW:
He’s still trying to get over a really brutal case of vertigo.
Steve in DUVAL!
@SFAW: Jacksonville, Florida, located in Duval County. For reasons unknown, “DUVAL!” is the war cry here amongst the lower classes. If you ever lose a bet and have to watch a Jacksonville Jaguars game, you’ll hear it.
@Corner Stone: I think you mean Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo. Also, Blake Bortles is the new Bob Griese!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
:lol: