Trump Crime Cartel Open Thread: GIMME!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    That Hannity screenshot is killer. Someone should tweet it at the Orange menace. Maybe it will sour relations between the two?

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    Mike in DC says:

    Gonna be a bunch of nonsense until the next wave of indictments and pleas. Then the nonsense will get worse.

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    Rabble Arouser says:

    No Mr. President, you can’t have those Tide Pods.

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    Corner Stone says:

    First thing I have ever agreed with Hannity on. Trump is a disgrace to this country. Good headline, bro.

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    TenguPhule says:

    The info Trump wants will actually be damaging. It will deepen his problems.

    In his primitive, toddler mind, anything an enemy won’t give him must be super valuable though.

    I recall this was also his approach to nuclear weapons.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Rudy G should quit “defending” his client on TV. The more he says, the guiltier Trump looks.

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    Ryan says:

    Stupid Watergate is a disservice to Watergate.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    All of this makes me wish we had a Congress that would actually try to restrain this dick

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Rabble Arouser:

    No Mr. President, you can’t have those Tide Pods.

    I like this gambit.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: Rudy is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Give him another week or so and 40% of voters will agree that receiving a gift from a foreign country is perfectly reasonable. In fact, you’d be stupid to not take advantage of it. Because Clinton Foundation!!

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    debbie says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Hush!

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    TenguPhule says:

    U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald in Manhattan stopped short in her written decision of ordering Trump or a subordinate to stop the practice of blocking critics from viewing his Twitter account, saying it was enough to point out that it was unconstitutional.

    A declaratory judgment should be sufficient, as no government official — including the President — is above the law, and all government officials are presumed to follow the law as has been declared,” Buchwald wrote.

    Naive AF.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Mike in DC: Mueller is taking too long. I would argue he has already failed.
    I don’t care if Manafort and Cohen do a 100 years a piece or not.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @TenguPhule: “These nice things I am saying should absolutely shame and convince Trump to play nice.”
    /Said some idiot.

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    trollhattan says:

    Does Rudy not know how to pronounce “grift”? Get with the program, Rudy.

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    Aleta says:

    @Corner Stone: He is supposed to sow doubt, or just swirl some confusion around. And change the focus.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Corner Stone: Don’t forget Loretta Lynch, Uranium One, Valerie Jarrett, and also you know Hillary should TOTALLY have gone to jail over Benghazi!! DEEP STATE!!1!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Investigations take time. Do you want it done right or not? We need a record of Trump’s wrongdoing. Mueller was never going to save us by himself. It has always been up to us to save ourselves.

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    Rabble Arouser says:

    @Corner Stone: Taking “too long” on what scale? I know that most of us would prefer this was at least ramping up to more indictments at this point, but I’d also rather hold the barricades, politically-speaking, while the Mueller team builds an airtight case against anyone and everyone who conspired against the United States. His aiming for, and missing, this administration would be an unmitigated disaster on many fronts. My two cents.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Corner Stone:
    It takes what it takes. To use a gold-panning metaphor, when you stop finding nuggets and flakes you cash in your haul and move on to another stream. Mueller finds nuggets under every pebble and nuggets under nuggets, plus there’s a hellofa lot of streambed left to pan.

    In this metaphor, use nugget as a replacement for turd.

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    Jeffro says:

    As I said in an earlier thread, it’s nice to see Rudy lining up with what my RWNJ brother has been saying for at least 6 months now: “ok…maybe Trump happened to benefit…that’s not a crime…”

    Gee I dunno. Maybe when you solicit the aid of a hostile foreign power in a conspiracy against the United States, receive stolen goods, launder money, lie to investigators, and obstruct justice…maybe that’s more than just “happening” to benefit…

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    Test

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    sukabi says:

    @Amir Khalid: Rudy is doing what he’s doing to protect himself first. He was the recipient of and disseminator of info on dnc leaked emails and also had fore knowledge of when wikileaks would post damaging info on Clinton. Also had inside info from the NY FBI office on Clinton investigation, into he shouldn’t have been privvy to.

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    tobie says:

    @Jeffro: I worry for you, Jeffro. You’ve plumbed the depths of the Republican psyche. Every Republican I know thinks like this. It’s scary.
    (Oops…I see you’ve got Trumpers in your family. Take cover and take care.)

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    @Aleta:
    Well, he’s doing the opposite. He’s dragging attention constantly back to Trump’s crimes, saying things that are going to make defending Trump in court much harder, and finding a new way to make Trump look guilty to the general public every time he opens his mouth.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Mueller is taking too long. I would argue he has already failed.

    Not yet, but increasingly looking less then optimal.

    At the rate things are deteriorating, we may not have a working justice system to follow up on Mueller’s findings.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    Do you want it done right or not?

    The perfect can be the enemy of the good.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Rabble Arouser: I think he’s going to investigate as long and as thoroughly as humanly possible, and then drop dozens if not hundreds of charges on the lot of them. Gonna be a helluva day…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Rabble Arouser: There is a vacuum that is being filled by Trump et al. While I don’t want Mueller leaking to the press, the entire narrative is being devoured. The longer this goes on, the more Rudy stands unopposed as spokesman for the Mueller team, the less effective any result will be. Just watch, Rudy will continue saying outlandish things, no one in the media will effectively rebut him and when a deadline he proposes or an agreement he says has been reached is broken – it will be 24/7 Bad Faith by Mueller and that he lied to the professional lawyer Rudy.
    Listen to what Trump said on the WH lawn today, “We’re calling it SPYGATE, and (jabbing stubby fingers at press) you’re calling it SPYGATE.”

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    Sorry to be a wetblanket, but isn’t this the same public (well 59% of voters aware of the Russia investigation) who said they haven’t heard of any indictments by the investigation?

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    sukabi says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: well then he should carry on and in fact should increase the speed and lunacy of his defense.

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    Jeffro says:

    @tobie: Thanks, I think!

    They’re really not hard to mimic. Just turn off all your critical thinking skills and find an excuse for everything Orangemandias does. Oh and the excuse always has to be the fault of/a conspiracy by the LIBTARDS!/DEEP STATE!/etc etc. Yawn. What a boring life.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @trollhattan: I like your gold panning iconography. Newsletter?

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:
    Which is why there’s any room left for Giuliani to screw things up for Trump. The narrative I’ve been hearing on TV is a mix of ‘Giuliani is going crazy’ and ‘Giuliani keeps saying things that make Trump’s life worse.’ Personally, I think the only truly relevant effect is that the prosecution will use some of Giuliani’s comments to refute motions by Trump’s lawyers. Mueller is working in a court of law, not public opinion.

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    Archon says:

    I always thought a better play from Trump would have been to admit collusion from the beginning, make it about “playing to win” and turn it into a partisan/sore loser issue.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    So, Kushner again has his clearance. NPR reporting he “may be out of the woods” in terms of legal jeopardy after an all-day chat with Mueller.

    For the first time, I’m having a shred of doubt about the investigation.

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    trollhattan says:

    The dumbing down of America continues apace, ironic Latin edition.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Newsletter?

    Watch for Volume I, Issue 1 in your inbox! Any day/week/lifetime now.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Archon: It’s what he has always been aiming toward. But he needed to destroy truth first. Now he has reached the goal posts of, “Yeah, but I won!” That was all he ever wanted to get out of this. Now it will be sore losers trying to steal “YOUR PRESIDENT FROM YOU!”

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Mueller is taking too long. I would argue he has already failed.

    You don’t have to prove you’re a fucking moron every single day. Take the rest of the week off. Get a cheap motel room in Port Aransas and drink yourself into a stupor.

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    Mary G says:

    We didn’t steal them. They just fell off some truck going by!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @burnspbesq: Port Aransas is still trying to recover from Harvey. So pick another suggestion. Oh, and go fuck yourself.

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    Jean says:

    @West of the Rockies: Yeah, I’m having doubts too. Jared was at risk of having his security clearance pulled, and now he’s gained “permanent security clearance” by the FBI? Doesn’t make sense.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @trollhattan: Ahh, a collectible on par with, “Dewey Defeats Truman”

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    Corner Stone says:

    Jeff Flake and Comey can take a Thelma and Louise type ride off a cliff as far as I am concerned. They should both just shut up and go away.

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    Timurid says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Wishful Thinking Alert:
    Maybe he flipped?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Jean:
    I thought the White House gives out security clearances?

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    Jay says:

    @Jeffro:

    Derp State!!!!!!!!!!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Timurid: He’s unlikely to take the fall for his father-in-law.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Just watch, Rudy will continue saying outlandish things, no one in the media will effectively rebut him and when a deadline he proposes or an agreement he says has been reached is broken – it will be 24/7 Bad Faith by Mueller and that he lied to the professional lawyer Rudy.

    Already happening with the FYNYT. Fucking headlines of shame.

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    ruemara says:

    @Timurid: ARGH. No. Trump granted it.

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    Jean says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: I’m confused by the report, then.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Archon:

    I always thought a better play from Trump would have been to admit collusion from the beginning, make it about “playing to win” and turn it into a partisan/sore loser issue.

    It took them a year to find out if enough Americans were stupid and nasty enough to buy that.

    Apparently they have their answer now.

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    Mary G says:

    Huh?

    New and um what:Giuliani says he hasn’t talked to his client Donald Trump in a “couple of weeks”To @chrisgeidner— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) May 23, 2018

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: @Timurid:

    Pessimistic take: yeap, Shitmidas just ordered ’em to do it, and they folded, after N attempts to slow-walk it.
    Slightly optimistic take:maybe this something the FBI gave Shitlord as a way to placate him. I mean, the fucking PDB is going to Putin every goddamn night via Hannity, so how much worse could it be having ClownPrince read in?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Mueller is working in a court of law, not public opinion.

    Trump is working to dismantle the first and right now is the loudest voice in the second.

    This doesn’t bode well.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Give him another week or so and 40% of voters will agree that receiving a gift from a foreign country is perfectly reasonable.

    They’ve been there for over a year. IOKIYAR is eternal.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Chet Murthy:

    so how much worse could it be having ClownPrince read in?

    He sells it to everyone else. The Iranians, the North Koreans, China.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Listen to what Trump said on the WH lawn today, “We’re calling it SPYGATE, and (jabbing stubby fingers at press) you’re calling it SPYGATE.”

    The media bent the knee, tugged the forelock and complied.

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    @Corner Stone: Patience grasshopper, it was 2 years and change from the date of the Watergate breaking to the Nixon resignation. Patience.

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    Platonailedit says:

    The coward roger badall folds and gives the traitorous thug another win.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Corner Stone: @Bobby Thomson: No shit. This was HILLARY they were up against – EVERYTHING is excused.

    (barf)

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    @TenguPhule:

    The perfect can be the enemy of the good.

    Yes, but the good has to be good beyond a reasonable doubt.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Patience grasshopper, it was 2 years and change from the date of the Watergate breaking to the Nixon resignation. Patience.

    Did Nixon try to pack the federal courts during Watergate? Before my time.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Yes, but the good has to be good beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Touche.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @West of the Rockies:
    Mueller isn’t in charge of vetting White House staff for security clearances. A chat with him would do nothing for Jared in that matter.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Timurid: Thinking the same thing. Great minds and all.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    NPR reporting he “may be out of the woods” in terms of legal jeopardy after an all-day chat with Mueller.

    NPR is the audio equivalent of the FTFNYT these days.

    Speculations in ignorance.

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    JPL says:

    @Amir Khalid: It is beginning to appear that Trump granted the clearance. Yesterday he said that the constitution gave him that right and today voila!!!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I wonder if that Cardassian technique from TNT to brainwash Picard to think there were more lights than there were in reality would work on these dummies?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: This isn’t 1970.

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    TenguPhule says:

    National Guard prepares for air evacuations if lava cuts off key Puna highway

    An air evacuation of the portions of Lower Puna that are threatened by the Kilauea volcano eruption could be accomplished within four hours if that becomes necessary because of damage to ground transportation routes, according to Hawaii Army National Guard commander Brig. Gen. Kenneth Hara.

    In a briefing this morning at Hawaii County Civil Defense headquarters, Hara told state, county and federal officials that he has arranged for two Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopters to be available for evacuation missions now that lava from the Lower East Rift Zone has flowed to the sea and severed Highway 137 along the coast.

    Today’s Volcano news.

    Also, 1st victim yesterday of the eruption. Guy got hit by a lava bomb on the leg in a home he was caretaking. He survived. His leg mostly survived. The house was a loss. He was very very lucky.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Well, then NPR is conflating matters a bit.

    Anyway, I do hope that Joffrey Kushner meets a worthy end.

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    Jeffro says:

    @JPL: That’s exactly right – Trumpov granting the clearance is about the only way this could have happened.

    Should be exciting to hear more about it, though, RIGHT MAINSTREAM MEDIA?!?! Have you given up on this quite obvious and juicy target: why. does. Jared. Kushner. have. any. sort. of security. clearance?? Inquiring minds want to know!

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    Mart says:

    @Corner Stone: Well the first Independent Counsel (selected by Janet Reno) reviewing Bill & Hillary Clintons’ Whitewater deal started in 1994 – before Lewinski started working at the White House After a year, where they could not find anything illegal, they hire Starr. Starr spends another three years sniffing around Clinton’s underwear until he finds some cum on a blue dress. Mueller has 20 some indictments and four pleas in the first year. Mueller is moving along just fine. The media however, needs to burn in hell. Timeline

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    @TenguPhule:

    Did Nixon try to pack the federal courts during Watergate? Before my time.

    He certainly tried to get as many Republicans on the bench as possible, if that’s what you mean by “packing the federal courts”. Court packing usually refers to increasing the size of the courts. I would also call deferring a nominee so that a President from the opposition party can appoint judges a form of packing.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: and no Fox News. And Howard Baker and Sam Rayburn were typical southern politicians.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @TenguPhule:

    NPR does seem to love them some healthy servings of Bothsides Souffle.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mart:

    Mueller is moving along just fine. The media however, needs to burn in hell.

    Great point!

    I’ve got a spare hour or two tomorrow…I think I’ll crank out an op-ed titled, “Hey Wingers! We Actually Hate The Media More Than You Do (And For the Right Reasons)”

    Couldn’t hurt! =)

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    @Amir Khalid: Trump is the ultimate authority for classification, if he wants to Putin a Top Secret clearance, he can.

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    tobie says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    NPR reporting he “may be out of the woods” in terms of legal jeopardy

    IANAL but this strikes me as spin put out by Kushner’s PR team. I can’t imagine the Special Counsel’s office telling Kushner, “You’re likely clear but we can’t confirm this quite yet.” I’ll let the lawyers who post here weigh in.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I would also call deferring a nominee so that a President from the opposition party can appoint judges a form of packing.

    They deferred a shit ton of Obama’s nominees, resulting in a large number of unfilled judge slots now.

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    @Corner Stone: The Watergate breaking happened in June of 1972, Nixon resigned in August of 1974.

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    khead says:

    Cole has been on a roll on Twitter today. I agree with everything he says with respect to the NFL/anthem. Also, poor dude would have a rage stroke if he had to deal with Philly/Baltimore/DC traffic.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Trump is the ultimate authority for classification, if he wants to Putin a Top Secret clearance, he can.

    Have I mentioned just how much I hate this timeline?

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    @TenguPhule: That’s the Turtle’s doing, but that’s not the traditional meaning of packing the courts.

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    tobie says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: One of the ironies of all this is that Hillary had the authority to declassify State Department documents, reports, briefs, etc. when she was Secretary of State, but no one felt like that cleared her of any and all accusations of sending classified material over her server, which she didn’t do in any event. Life’s so unfair.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Mart: Clinton resisted the investigation as much as possible but in the end followed the rule of law. WJC also had surrogates out bashing the investigation. No president likes getting their panties sniffed. But Trump is attempting to destroy truth itself and cast such a shadow over LEO and others that the longer he has the bully pulpit the less people will believe anything reported out by Mueller is true. Mueller can indict Manafort and Cohen and 100 Russians all he likes. Nobody will give a shit and no one will tie it back to Trump in any damaging way. You think there’s not another Roger Stone Jr or Manafort or Lewandowski or Cohen out there just salivating at stealing everything they can get their hands on?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    It frightens me that Trump might actually do that just because he can.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:
    @Bobby Thomson:

    Well, I guess Trump is going to be President for life and the US is going to become a one-party state because the investigation is moving fast enough in the opinion of fretting non-experts. Case closed. Should we all drink the cyanide-laced Hawaiian Punch at the same time?

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    @Bobby Thomson: Sam Rayburn died in 1961, I think you Sam Ervin(D – NC).

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    Corner Stone says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: Yes, but I’d like to make sure the sugar level is just right. So please let us know.

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    charluckles says:

    Just had a commercial come across youtube that was Trump urging me to take a survey about “fake news.”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: Thank you, Goku.

    I am not down with the Eeyore vibe either. Makes me slappy.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Elizabelle:

    But on the other hand, I’ve been reading Winnie the Pooh today in a 1927 edition and damn are those illustrations of Eeyore good.

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    Frances Perkins says:

    I have read a great deal about the rise of Nazism in Germany. Trump’s lying statements echo the methodology of that master propagandist, Adolph Hitler who knew that people will believe big lies if repeated endlessly. It is no coincidence that Ivana Trump said that her husband, from time to time, read from a book of Hitler’s speeches.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Frances Perkins:

    I believe he’s following Putin’s techniques very closely.

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    Corner Stone says:

    And why didn’t Leslie Stahl report this interaction with Trump right after it happened? Back before the 2016 election?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @tobie: Agreed.

    And Nice Polite Republicans has been extra heavy on the “Republicans” part lately. Here in central VA, the local NPR station is splitting its program into “News” and “Classical/Jazz” on different channels.

    I am so going to follow the music channel. Will get news at the top of the hour, I guess, but no more of this timid spin. NPR is pretty good, in total, but it is too goddamned timid.

    I think a lot of news providers are putting Trump’s words out there with the idea he will hang himself. What they don’t get is that, without fact-checking and context, the words reinforce with his supporters.

    And NPR seems to think Trump supporters tune in to NPR too, because they sure bend over and present their ass, over and over and over again.

    They and the FTF NYTimes seem to think there is nothing they can do to lose their “liberal” audience. They is wrong.

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    JPL says:

    @Corner Stone: The Hill is saying that Trump is using spy rather than informant, because it sounds more nefarious Of course, Trump would never say nefarious.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Corner Stone: Because she is a whore. A media whore.

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    Timurid says:

    @ruemara:

    Referring to the “out of the woods with Mueller” rumors.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Frances Perkins: Yeah. Hitler and Goebbels. With Fox News in there, as Leni Riefenstahl, but more stupid.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Corner Stone: You’d think “Trump says he purposefully attacks the media so people won’t believe it when they dig up dirt on him.” is a fucking news story.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @zhena gogolia: Oh, I bet. I have nothing against Eeyore as the Pooh character. Or Tigger or Roo …. they are so charming.

    Enjoy. Beautiful illustrations are a pleasure.

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    tobie says:

    @Elizabelle: Someone from the Center for American Progress recently said that Democrats need to stop trying to be fair and learn to speak strongly and clearly about what’s going on. We need some moral outrage. I’m trying to think who in the Democratic coalition is any good at this and should be the face the party puts forward. I’ve been impressed with Ron Wyden; McCaskill can be surprisingly good at this, too. But who else do we have in elected office? I actually don’t think Kamala Harris is great on TV but I’m probably in the minority. But what’s clear to me is we need some good old fashioned self-righteousness in the face of Republican thuggery and corruption.

    ETA: Maybe that Obama guy can come out of retirement? Since Trump’s broken all norms, why respect the norm that former Presidents should stay mum.

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    MJS says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Yes, it would have been a story. Trump would have admitted to it, and used it to great applause at his rallies. Not one vote would have been changed.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @tobie:

    Someone from the Center for American Progress recently said that Democrats need to stop trying to be fair and learn to speak strongly and quickly about what’s going on. We need some moral outrage.

    That would have been Al Franken.

    But the party had to knife him because reasons.

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    Baud says:

    So according to Chris Hayes, who has a prime time show on a cable news network, when Americans don’t understand how many indictments Mueller has obtained, it’s the “Democrats Blowing It.”

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    JPL says:

    @TenguPhule: Gillibrand.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @tobie: Yes. I agree. Not hair on fire, but stern. Even humorous, because you’re dealing with buffoons, but in serious positions, doing serious and lasting damage.

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    Baud says:

    Apparently, the Dems are now a media outlet as well as a political party. Perhaps we are a floor wax and a desert topping too.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MJS: Could have used it being heard/reported before the election. May of 2018 doesn’t do shit, no matter what you think about the 2016 election scene.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @TenguPhule: 98% of the country thinking he’s a sexual predator is a damn good reason.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @tobie:

    Maybe that Obama guy can come out of retirement?

    Not if he’s going to continue doing President Obama.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @B.B.A.: Really? I don’t think Al Franken is a sexual predator. Neither does 98% of the country. Where did you get that figure?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @B.B.A.:

    98% of the country thinking he’s a sexual predator is a damn good reason.

    I missed where that was reported by a credible source?

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    Yarrow says:

    @tobie:

    IANAL but this strikes me as spin put out by Kushner’s PR team.

    Kushner’s PR shop? That’s the one that Maggie Haberman’s mom works for, right?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Baud: Chris Hayes, useful idiot.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Corner Stone: Says the idiot who jerks off to cable noise idiots.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: Yeah. I never ever watch Chris Hayes, for just that reason.

    Love having cut the cord. I can get MSNBC online, but only catch a tiny bit of the crew in the evening, and only in small doses.

    Forget who gave me this link, but it’s helpful. http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/ — and then choose Rockin Rooster’s newsfeed, which is MSNBC.

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    Baud says:

    @Yarrow: I’m beginning to question his usefulness.

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    MJS says:

    @Corner Stone: Hearing it in 2015 or 2016 wouldn’t have done shit either. Trump is/was popular because he hated/hates the press. Hearing that story pre-election would have burnished those credentials.

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    Feebog says:

    @Corner Stone:

    So you would prefer Mueller hurries things along, makes an irreversible error as a result, and Trumpov skates. Fuck that noise. Mueller only gets one shot at this, and I for one want him to score a perfect ten. When the indictments start raining down public opinion will shift biggly.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Baud: He’s not useful for us.

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    @Baud: Nope, “Bag of Glass”.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Trump signed a security clearance reform bill this week, but reserved the right not to comply with it.

    One provision Trump resisted: A section requiring the W.H. to report on its process for conducting security clearance investigations of W.H. officials.

    https://t.co/5y7KlVsOYE— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 24, 2018

    Kay is right. Checks and balances is a joke.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MJS: And it does what for anyone in 2018? It’s fucking cowardice to think it would have been useless or helpful to Trump pre-election.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Platonailedit: I’m looking around for you here but don’t see you. I masturbate to Gilligan’s Island re-runs.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: I think a lot of MSNBC’s programming and anchors/correspondents are awful. Never forget, they’re NBC corporate.

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    MJS says:

    Didn’t say it means shit now. And “cowardice”? What the fuck are you on about? If there’s any “cowardice” here, it’s on the part of the “It’s over. Mueller took too long” crowd.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Feebog: I’d like some pushback. Sorry if that offends. Oh wait. No I’m not.
    59% of the public thinks the Mueller investigation has found nothing. But I guess he can keep indicting Papadapoulouseses by the dozens.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Oh, now Chris Hayes decides to get all “tough interviewer”—with Cynthia Nixon?! I have no problem with that, but it is in stark contrast to his lapdog treatment of every Repub apparatchik ever.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MJS: I am on about the media failing the nation during 2015/2016. They were and are cowards. It means nothing now for LS to report this anecdote. You saying it only could have helped Trump is the kind of garbage I am referring to.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Elizabelle: True, Alex Witt for example is utterly useless. She’s pretty much Chris Cillizza. But I don’t think that’s the case with Hayes, who’s infatuated with Bernie Sanders and once compared Obama unfavorably to Nixon, because of metadata. The rumor a couple of years ago was that Andy Lack was looking to get rid of him

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    Baud says:

    @Steeplejack: She looked a bit nervous.

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    Steeplejack says:

    And, hey, Rachel, fuck that guy Jeff Flake. Fuck him up his stupid ass. You are headlining him on your show with his criticism of Trump. He has voted 100% with the Trump/​GOP agenda, so apparently his only problems with Trump are on style, not substance.

    . . . Okay, Rachel is starting to drag him a little bit now. Hmmph.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Would you miss Chris Hayes? I don’t think it would be a loss at all.

    Why can’t they give David Cay Johnson a year’s contract? He could have David Farenthold, and Michael Hiltzik (LA Times) and Paul Krugman on, and not talk over them. Heck, Bruce Bartlett and David Stockman and David Frum too.

    Have someone with substance and balls. But MSNBC rarely seems to serve that up. Unless it’s Nichole Wallace, I guess, putting the noncrazy GOP in the best light possible.

    Even Rachel Maddow has her blind spots, be they her own or what she adopts for corporate survivability.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Baud:

    I thought she handled him pretty well, laying him off with some good sound-bitey verbiage. Didn’t see all of the segment, though, just the last part, where he was questioning her expertise/​experience to be governor. Valid questions, but he was much more “aggressive”—in his lapdog way—with her than he ever is with Rethugs spouting straight-up bullshit.

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    Elizabelle says:

    ETA: And Jane Mayer! Realized my list of wished for journalists is all white males. Shame on me, truly.

    Never forget the Jane Mayers — who else?

    Maggie Haberman is such a goddamned mouthwash-swilling tool.

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    MJS says:

    @Corner Stone: Sorry, you’re right, Leslie Stahl handed the election to Trump, and people like me who think her silence didn’t result in his election are selling the country out. Those like you who have given up all hope in the Mueller investigation are the true heroes.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Elizabelle:

    They’ve got “someone with substance and balls.” Give Joy Reid a regular weeknight slot.

    By the way, has anyone noticed how she weathered the “homophobic” onslaught just fine and all those voices have mysteriously shut up and disappeared?

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    Baud says:

    @Steeplejack: Once the suits at msnbc stuck by her, there was no purpose to keeping up the protest.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Repeating this from the “Site Updates” thread, which seems to be dead:

    Damn it, now there’s yet another autoplay ad on every page (desktop site, Win10, Firefox)—this one from Connatix—that I can’t seem to get AdBlock Plus to kill. Grr!

    It’s down the right side, under “Support Our Sponsors.”

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @burnspbesq: He doesn’t have to prove that he’s a moron – he just chooses to do so

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Steeplejack: Yes. Bring on Joy Reid. She’s solid and strong.

    I don’t watch daytime TV or news, unless it’s Law & Order reruns. ;-)

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    Rabble Arouser says:

    @Elizabelle: I know you weren’t addressing me, but I wanted to chime in and say that MSNBC could get a whole ‘nother hour or viewership out of me if they’d replace Hayes. At best, he’s not adding any value and at worst, he acts like a sapper, undermining Democratic Party positions and momentum at almost every turn. I’d be happy to see a potato in that chair, but David Cay Johnson would be an amazing thing to witness.

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    “My client is above the law. He wasn’t kidding, he never kids. Haven’t you noticed that he always means what he says? Or are you a democrat? ha ha ha ha ha… Seriously. He literally could murder someone on 5th Ave. and get away with it, because the republican party has his back. Your so-called American democracy? Fuck you”.

    It’s a perfect example of Karl Rove pronouncement that the republican party will be in charge of making history from this point forward, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. I paraphrase.. Also: “watch what you say”, a warning the leadership of the democratic party has taken to heart for far too long.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Alain the site fixer:

    I see your test, and raise it TEST…

    No — I raise it TEST!!!!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Rabble Arouser: Let’s write to Andy Lack. I mean, like he gives a fuck what his viewers think.

    But this could be David Cay Johnson’s moment, and you are so right about Chris Hayes being a sapper. I hate to think what is his demographic.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    E.H. Shepard? I love his illustrations for The Wind in the Willows.

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    mike in dc says:

    @Elizabelle: I want a week-in-review show on MSNBC with Elon James White, Aaron Freeman, Imani Gandy and rotating guest roster.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Just One More Canuck: Oh man, that hurts. That one hurts.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @mike in dc: That sounds great too. I don’t know who Mr. Freeman is, but will look him up.

    MSNBC should do some thinking on what recent election results are telling them, no?

    And ditch Chris Matthews and Andrea Fucking Greenspan. They can show up as sappers on other peoples’ shows. Their sell by date is past.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @burnspbesq: You know, there are people here I want to slap for being Eeyores. I never feel that way about Corner Stone.

    I think it’s cable-TV induced despair. Cable is good at inducing that state, as you know.

    Step away from the teevee. It is not your friend. It is not infallible.

    Go pet a dog. Even if you have to stalk one.

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    J R in WV says:

    @TenguPhule:

    @TenguPhule:

    …the never ending boondoogle of a Rail project is worse.

    Wait…they want to build railroads between the Islands??????? Whut….!!???

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MJS: Hay look, if you want to sleep on that bed of straw then keep spreading it. Maybe some think the media failed us bigly prior to the election and think they could have done better informing the portion of eligible voters who got nothing but shit from the headlines of the NYT. They certainly could not have done worse.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Corner Stone: Ginger? Mary Ann? The Skipper? Depends on your mood?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s really more about the zeitgeist. Are we all truly lost? Do our actions ever amount to anything? If there is no purpose to our ambling through life then isn’t self-gratification as rational an outcome as any effort to self-survival?

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    Wild Cat says:

    @Steeplejack: Hayes is a jerk who thinks conservatives are a needed check-and-balance to liberal overreach.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Corner Stone: So…. Mrs Howell?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: …yes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Corner Stone: That’s all you needed to say. I wasn’t going to judge.

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    Rabble Arouser says:

    @mike in dc: Never mind recording it, I’d make sure to catch that live, every week.

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    J R in WV says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I hear that Turtle McConnell was in the US Army for, hmmm, maybe 9 months!??

    So why did he get off so quickly wife asks me? I said, we can’t know, his DD214 appears to be missing!?!?!!!!

    Gossip indicates he may have been fooling around with other male recruits/trainees. I had a roommate at Great Lakes who had taken Polaroid photos with another (male) trainee in order to receive a General Discharge. I never saw the photos, as someone (?!!) sent them to a leadership person at Great Lakes training facility. Imagine!?

    Could Turtle McConnell have done something like that? We’ll never know, as the DD-214 discharge document is MISSING!!!!!???!!!!

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Yes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @J R in WV: DD-214s say the type of discharge but not the reason for it.

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    SFAW says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    I wonder if that Cardassian technique from TNT to brainwash Picard to think there were more lights than there were in reality would work on these dummies?

    It wouldn’t — they can’t count that high.

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    SFAW says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Where did you get that figure?

    58.3 percent of all statistics used in conversation — including online — are made up.

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    SFAW says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Are we all truly lost? Do our actions ever amount to anything? If there is no purpose to our ambling through life then isn’t self-gratification as rational an outcome as any effort to self-survival?

    And what about … Naomi?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @SFAW: LOL. Yep. Heard that from Abe Lincoln.

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    Steve in DUVAL! says:

    @SFAW: on a related note, I learned during a golf match that 95% of putts that are short don’t go in.

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    MCA1 says:

    @Amir Khalid: The frightening part to me is that there is zero, ZERO reason right now to believe that a single Republican or Trumpista would do a goddamned thing about it, or in fact even find it more than mildly off-putting.

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    SFAW says:

    @Steve in DUVAL!:

    I learned during a golf match that 95% of putts that are short don’t go in.

    The five percent is a rounding error.

    Where the hell is DUVAL! ?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @SFAW:

    Where the hell is DUVAL! ?

    He’s still trying to get over a really brutal case of vertigo.

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    Steve in DUVAL! says:

    @SFAW: Jacksonville, Florida, located in Duval County. For reasons unknown, “DUVAL!” is the war cry here amongst the lower classes. If you ever lose a bet and have to watch a Jacksonville Jaguars game, you’ll hear it.

    @Corner Stone: I think you mean Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo. Also, Blake Bortles is the new Bob Griese!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    :lol:

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