Saturday Morning Open Thread: A Wedding

Seems like a good day to post this:

Since Aug. 12, 2017, Marcus Martin has lost anonymity, a close friend and, at times, his coping skills.

Mr. Martin’s red-and-white footwear will be more familiar to many than his name. He is the subject of a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph, taken by Ryan M. Kelly, in Charlottesville, Va., during the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by white nationalists protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. In the photo, Mr. Martin is midair, spread-eagle with his back parallel to the hot Virginia asphalt, after being struck by a Dodge Charger driven by James Alex Fields, who would later be charged with second-degree murder…

… On Jan. 31, 2017, he showed up, sweaty, at Miller Law Group with a twinkling diamond ring he bought for her at a Kay Jewelers. As proposals go, there have been smoother.

“I’ll never forget the way he was acting,” Ms. Blair said. “He was so nervous, he was sweating bullets.” As Mr. Martin got down on one knee, he didn’t notice a colleague of Ms. Blair’s, standing by the door waiting for a legal file.

Mr. Martin let his rehearsed words rip: “He was like, ‘You know I love you, right? You are everything to me. I don’t want to go another day calling you my girlfriend. Will you marry me?’”

Ms. Blair took a deep breath. “I made him step outside my office and do it all over again,” she said. This time without her colleague in the doorway. Mr. Martin’s second attempt was perfect, and she immediately said yes.

Mr. Martin had his reasons for proposing at the office. They included Courtney Commander and Heather Heyer, who also worked at the firm and were among the couple’s closest friends. Several months after the foursome celebrated Mr. Martin and Ms. Blair’s engagement, Ms. Commander, the most politically active of the group, would recruit the couple and Ms. Heyer to join her as counterprotesters at the Aug. 12 rally.

“Everybody felt strongly about what was going on,” said Ms. Commander. “Marissa and Marcus said they wanted to be there, but I wasn’t sure they would come.” Mr. Martin, still on parole and working a new job as a landscaper, told her he wanted to steer clear of trouble. She knew Ms. Blair wouldn’t come without him. But when Ms. Commander attended a July 8 march of the Ku Klux Klan in Charlottesville and sent Ms. Blair, Mr. Martin and Ms. Heyer video of the awful goings-on, they were inspired to join her in her next counterprotest.

Ms. Blair and Mr. Martin remember the early part of the rally on that Saturday afternoon as peaceful and almost enjoyable. Until 1:41 p.m. The violence, and Mr. Martin’s protective shove, “came out of nowhere,” Ms. Blair said…

On the afternoon of May 12, on the sprawling lawn of Walden Hall, an estate in Reva, Va., Mr. Martin and Ms. Blair were married under blue skies before 150 friends and family. Ms. Blair’s seven attendants included her brother Adrian Lombre. Her brother Dasan Hunt walked her down the grassy aisle to an altar draped in purple wisteria. The bridesmaids, including her maid of honor, Ms. Commander, wore long dresses in shades of lavender. Mr. Martin’s five groomsmen and best woman, Whitley Jones, wore dark suits with purple accents. The color scheme was in honor of Ms. Heyer’s favorite color…

It truly seems to have been a lovely event, in every sense. Much more detail at the link, for those who want a heartwarming story.

246 replies
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    NotMax says:

    For those with Netflix.

    Cannot give it a wholehearted recommendation; if subtitles are not a negative, check out No Second Chance (a href=””>trailer). While it veered off in directions didn’t particularly appreciate, there was enough there to warrant sticking around to see where it ended up when it got to it destination. Also included a heartless, cold-blooded villainess one won’t soon forget.

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    NotMax says:

    Le sigh. Fixed.

    For those with Netflix.

    Cannot give it a wholehearted recommendation,b ut if subtitles are not a negative, check out No Second Chance (a href=””>trailer). While it veered off in directions didn’t particularly appreciate, there was enough there to warrant sticking around to see where it ended up when it got to it destination. Also included a heartless, cold-blooded villainess one won’t soon forget.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    I hate colds. I want to be asleep right now so much.

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    NotMax says:

    O(h gawd. Guess ought to head to bed. 3rd tuimes the charm.

    For those with Netflix.

    Cannot give it a wholehearted recommendation; if subtitles are not a negative, check out No Second Chance (trailer). While it veered off in directions didn’t particularly appreciate, there was enough there to warrant sticking around to see where it ended up when it got to it destination. Also included a heartless, cold-blooded villainess one won’t soon forget.

    (No edit function. Sorry about the mishmash.)

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Okay, I’ll fess up: I am watching BBC coverage of the royal wedding. Hadn’t planned on it, but here I am. The Fergie spawn are wearing understated hats. I am disappoint!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Up since oh-dark-thirty because my body is still on European time. Oh well, this will pass.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Betty Cracker: Did you see Sarah Ferguson about 45 mins ago? I’m watching MSNBC. Joy, Katy, and Stephanie are hoots.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Betty Cracker: My wife is watching. I am making my best efforts to ignore. But I don’t judge.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Nice story, Anne. Thanx.

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker: You’re only human.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: LOL. You beat me to it. Could be dentists’ children from Middlesex.

    Beatrix and Eugenie are immediately recognizable, though, with those eyes.

    Watching BBC too. Ladies on MSNBC a bit too chatty and infotainmnenty.

    Elton John is there too, in rose colored glasses …

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    I wonder if Serena and Oprah coordinated their outfits? Both looking stunning in pink.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning Everyone 😄😄😄

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    rikyrah says:

    The Heir and the spare😄

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    Elizabelle says:

    Harry!! And William!

    And they have a beautiful day in the UK. Wish the horsies in Baltimore could have a sunny day too.

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    rikyrah says:

    Harry didn’t shave the beard😄😄

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Amal and George (photo)

    Amal is trending worldwide

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Are you pining for the fjords yet?

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    We have tiara (photo)

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    Quinerly says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: Tiara is supposed to be from Diana’s family.

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    Elizabelle says:

    BBC mentioned Meghan is a meritocrat. Got there through a lot of work and study; always worked …. quite the contrast with the groom’s mother, no?, for whom youth and virginity were the main requirements. Thank dog the royals have gotten past that …

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    Elizabelle says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: Amal looks gorgeous. Have never seen a bad photo of her.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    Pining for the fjords? What kind of talk is that?

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    rikyrah says:

    The bride is coming!

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    Raven says:

    I’ve got it on my iPad at the bakery. I really dislike Stephanie Rhule but at least they are not showing her ridiculous hand waving!

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    So an amusing thing happened yesterday – OzarkHillbilly should appreciate this.

    I was walking past a busy construction site on a low-rise after lunch with a friend on the eastern fringes of downtown. A member of the construction crew was sitting in the door of an open van doing some work. He wore a pair of goggles, long thick pants and good boots as he was going about his business (safety first!).

    As he sat, he was running an awkward angle cut on a 2X4 with a full size reciprocating saw while using his knees as a sawhorse and one elbow to hold it in place. The blade was about 3 inches from his right thigh.

    I fairly ran to my car so I wouldn’t distract him by my cringing and shock into making a life-threatening mistake.

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    rikyrah says:

    Harry is inside the church. Looking calm.

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    Raven says:

    wtf with the lamps

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    p.a. says:

    Count on me to lower the tone of conversation, but did MM have ‘the exam’, or is that just for the P of Wale’s chosen, or did that embarrassment stop after Diana?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I certainly hope not.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Raven: It’s the choir section. Obviously no choir. Special guests/family sitting there.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Harry looks nervous, poor lad! 🙂

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    rikyrah says:

    Waiting for Her Majesty

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    eclare says:

    I’m watching, judge me.

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    NotMax says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Mmm, thigh meat. Now that’s good eatin’.


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    Quinerly says:

    A car change for Doria!

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    Raven says:

    I’m leaning on a lamppost on the corner of my block…

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    rikyrah says:

    The mother of the bride😄

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @NotMax: You Pacific islanders know all about long pig, I guess.

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    rikyrah says:

    Prince Charles and Camilla

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    eclare says:

    Here is the queen, another in light green.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: Big hat.

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    rikyrah says:

    Her Majesty and the Duke of Edinburgh

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    rikyrah says:

    The Queen in lime

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: love the color!

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    Brachiator says:


    Count on me to lower the tone of conversation, but did MM have ‘the exam’, or is that just for the P of Wale’s chosen, or did that embarrassment stop after Diana?

    She was previously married.

    ETA. My insomnia kicked in. I may have to watch some of this wedding. Saw the photos of some of the celebrities. Very cool. Too bad that the Obamas, as political figures, could not get an invite.

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    eclare says:

    The dress..

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    rikyrah says:

    The dress..
    Simple and elegant

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    I love the dress. And that veil! Wow.

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    rikyrah says:

    Look at Harry😥😄

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: I can’t believe I’m crying.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: The dress must be something for you to link to Fox News. 😆

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    MomSense says:

    My ancestors are surely shaking angry fists at me for watching and enjoying this royal wedding.

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    rikyrah says:

    I am too😥😥

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.): Beautiful plumage.

    @Gin & Tonic: Your feet must be nailed to the perch.

    Just in case anyone out there doesn’t get the joke, “The Dead Parrot Sketch”.

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    Baud says:

    Why are the seats for the guests so dinky? They’re Home Depot folding chairs.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: Mine started when the camera cut to her mother.

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    rikyrah says:

    Harry lifted her veil😄

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    eclare says:

    After we saw Harry at age 12 walking behind Princess Diana’s procession, it’s nice to be happy for him. Looks like he is crying a bit.

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    Baud says:

    I’m watching on tape delay. No spoilers please. :-P

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Ms. Meghan Markle’s wedding dress has been designed by Clare Waight Keller. The full veil represents the distinctive flora of each of the 53 Commonwealth countries, united in one spectacular floral composition.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Sawzalls can do horrific damage. Always securely clamp down the piece being cut (if it is small), and hold the saw with both hands (whenever possible, if not possible rethink the job, maybe there is a safer way). Lessons learned the hard way.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    What a handsome couple!

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    Elizabelle says:

    I am liking this sermon. Mlk!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly: I can’t believe you all are giving play by play posts.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Quinerly: Stephanie Ruhle was crying, earlier.

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    Raven says:

    @Elizabelle: he is rocking it!

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    Quinerly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I used to watch this kind of stuff with my mom. Kinda fun to have someone to share it with. I’m at my mom’s old beach place. We watched Diana’s wedding here so many years ago.
    Poco has no interest.

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    Whoa. I did not expect to log on here and find The Wedding being discussed. You be you, wedding-watching jackals!

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    Quinerly says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: she was too wound up at 4:00 AM.

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    NotMax says:


    Just because, the Commonwealth of Nations.

    Antigua and Barbuda
    New Zealand
    Papua New Guinea
    Republic of Cyprus
    Sierra Leone
    Solomon Islands
    South Africa
    Sri Lanka
    St Christopher and Nevis
    St Lucia
    St Vincent and the
    The Bahamas
    Trinidad and Tobago
    United Kingdom
    United Republic of Tanzania


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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Quinerly: My mom dragged me out of bed to watch Charles and Di get hitched. :)

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    Quinerly says:

    I’m thinking about becoming an Episcopalian. ❤️

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    MomSense says:


    It’s a little passionate for a British chapel. Charles looked like he was blushing.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    My wife thinks he needs the hook.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Betty Cracker: it was a big deal. I think I was 20. A year older than Diana. Remember it like it was yesterday.

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    Baud says:


    “God damn the United Kingdom!”

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    JPL says:

    The sermon was sweet for the first ten minutes.

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    Raven says:

    @Gin & Tonic: better we have some stodgy limey

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Dawg, that’s a hoot! I had to bookmark it. Can’t count the times I have seen stupid shit like that. Participated in a few too.

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    rikyrah says:

    The power of love

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Loving this choir.

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    Quinerly says:

    I need a cigarette.

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    geg6 says:

    I had no plans to watch this wedding but with my dvr hard drive being fried, I am forced to watch. Gotta say, love that they are having “Stand By Me” as one of their songs for the ceremony.

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    NotMax says:


    Poco has no interest.

    Obviously a hound of discernment and wisdom.

    (Personally would rather repeatedly shove bamboo splinters in the eyes than so much as glimpse a second of it, but understand and accept that YMMV.)

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    rikyrah says:

    Morning to Poco and the tribe😄😺

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Raven: Shorter is almost always better. It wasn’t about style but length.

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    tobie says:

    @JPL: I agree. I watched while making my morning coffee. When he got to talking about fire, I turned off the TV.

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    rikyrah says:

    They used their common names, not their formal names😄

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    MomSense says:


    It’s an idle threat coming from me!


    The PK in me was telling him to stop before he ruined it.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m happy that I’ve reduced your productivity even further.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: ❤️

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: Glad to know I’m not the only one.

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    rikyrah says:

    Hear the cheering outside 😄

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    I think Elton John is crying.

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    eclare says:

    @rikyrah: Did not realize that before you said it, wow.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: My wife wants to have a face to face word with you.

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    rikyrah says:

    He has known Harry all his life

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    Vheidi says:

    David Beckham?!

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    rikyrah says:

    The young man playing the cello😄

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    Elizabelle says:

    Gorgeous cellist.

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    eclare says:

    @Vheidi: Posh and Becks are there, Harry prob met him through the Invictus games.

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    Elizabelle says:

    This has been the most unstuffy wedding for royals, ever.

    And is that James Corden there as guest?

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    rikyrah says:

    The young man playing the cello won a national competition in Britain👏

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: I’m so glad I watched this. Actually, your comments put it on my radar yesterday. Really hadn’t been following the lead up. Thank you.

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    rikyrah says:

    Yep. James is there

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    Elizabelle says:

    Love the socks.

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    Vheidi says:

    @eclare: ah, makes sense, Serena too?

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    Quinerly says:

    @JPL: ❤️

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    Elizabelle says:

    Kiri te Kanawa sang at Chas and Diana’s wedding. Love this young cellist getting the spotlight.

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    geg6 says:


    I thought I read somewhere that Serena and Meghan are friends.

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    arrieve says:

    I came for the hats, I stayed for the music. Harry seemed to tear up a few times and that made me feel a definite lump in the throat. All in all, there are much worse ways to spend a Saturday morning.

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    geg6 says:

    I think her mother is just lovely.

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    Quinerly says:

    @arrieve: It’s actually been pretty incredible.

    And I normally hate weddings.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Quinerly: That’s sweet, that you’re at your moms, watching again.

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    rikyrah says:

    This always cracks me up
    God Save the Queen

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Ruh Roh Megan is singing God Save Our Queen, that’ll get the wingnuts frothing.

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    JPL says:

    @geg6: I do too.
    @Quinerly: It’s quite touching.

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    Elizabelle says:

    God save the Queen.

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    Baud says:


    We’re also starved for a change of subject.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Elizabelle: but for rikyrah wouldn’t even had thought about it.

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    rikyrah says:

    The KISS 💋😍

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    Baud says:


    Our two kingdoms are finally reunited!

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    rikyrah says:

    Oohh..the horse drawn carriage😍😍

    NOBODY does pomp like the British

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Meanwhile, in the real world, 2018 has been deadlier for schoolchildren than service members

    The figures for 2018 do not suggest schools are more dangerous than combat zones. After all, there are more than 50 million students in public elementary and high schools and only about 1.3 million members of the armed forces. So far in 2018, a member of the military has been about 40 times as likely to be killed as someone is to die in a school shooting, including Keller’s revised figures.

    That said, it is still the case that 2018 is shaping up to be unusually deadly at schools. Comparing the number of deaths and the number of shooting incidents this year directly with those through May 18 of 2017, that difference is stark.

    But as James Joyner said at Outside the Beltway:

    The 2018 data is skewed because of how deadly the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting was. And, of course, the number of military deaths is down because we’ve steadily wound down our footprint in Afghanistan. But the fact that an activity that should be incredibly safe is comparable to one so inherently dangerous is nonetheless tragic.

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    debbie says:


    I thought I’d watch for a minute and it turned into an hour!

    Beautiful dress on Meghan, hideous hat on Camilla. Neither was unexpected.

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    Baud says:


    Sounds like we need more war to fix this problem.

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    rikyrah says:

    Oh Baud😄😄

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Why not just let people have fun with this thread, Mr Wet Blanket?

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    Baud says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Someone needs to put up a sourpuss thread.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Our schools are a war zone.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Baud: It was been a release for me. I’m in a puddle of tears. This past week has been very dark. I was losing hope.

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    WereBear says:

    What a beautiful wedding story, even if bittersweet. Sometimes, all we can do is forge on, anyway.

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    debbie says:


    Both Meghan’s and her mother’s gown/outfit were stunning. Let the Brits keep their frou-frou!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: why not stop throwing a wet blanket over the morning thread’s designated wet blanket thrower?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    The horses have earplugs, according to the Beeb presenter. 🙂

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    debbie says:


    They say you can wear any color with gray hair. I am proof that is not true.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Quinerly: It was a dark week, indeed. But still so many amazing good things and Spring! Scritch Poco for me.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Immanentize: Don’t you throw a wet blanket on me!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I have not uttered one complaint about people blathering on about the “wedding”. The closest I have come is commenting on my disbelief at how people feel the need to say something about apparently every little thing. Quinerly explained that people like to share these moments and that made sense. That said, this is my reaction to all this wedding talk: Picture.

    As to my being a wet blanket for wanting to have something else to talk about in addition to the wedding, it is an Open Thread, is it not?

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    Immanentize says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: 😇

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    geg6 says:


    Me too.

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    Quinerly says:

    Blackroyalwedding is trending.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Fuck the fucking Trumps. Otherwise, Barack and Michelle could have attended too. But maybe not. Theresa May also kinda toxic, but nowhere as egregious.

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    Baud says:

    @Quinerly: Is that good or bad?

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    debbie says:

    Jeez, there’s a lot of horses.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Crowd sign: I married a ginger too.

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    geg6 says:

    I can’t take Stephanie Ruhle and Katy Tur. I don’t like them normally but they are especially obnoxious today. They are making it all about them. Ugh.

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    debbie says:


    And all the riders are trotting. Ouch!

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    Quinerly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: It’s a bit more than just another Royal wedding. It’s a #blackroyalwedding. 😎

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    Elizabelle says:

    Bbc. Long shot of young mixed race girl holding a program w Meghan on the cover.

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    Spanky says:

    @debbie: All the king’s horses.

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    Immanentize says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: every thread is an open thread — I thought that was the rule.

    As for your original comment — the data is not “skewed” at all. That is the data. If there had been a big IED attack in Syria, the data would have been different. I am very glad military deaths are down, but James Joyner is really emphasizing the point by trying to rationalize it.

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    debbie says:

    She’s getting dizzy with all the head turning. Just wave with both hands, Meghan!

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    Tazj says:

    @debbie: Same here, I thought I’d only watch for a little while but what a beautiful ceremony. Meghan looked gorgeous of course, and the music was wonderful. I’m glad they have such a beautiful day.

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    Quinerly says:

    @debbie: 💙

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly: Is nothing sacred????

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    MomSense says:

    I’m loving the horses. About 16 years ago I made up a story about a modern, unconventional princess. It’s probably a good time to get it on paper.

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    debbie says:


    It helped that the church is smaller. I remember how long it took Diana to walk down the aisle.

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    debbie says:

    Does anyone know how long the Long Walk is?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    James Joyner is really emphasizing the point by trying to rationalize it.

    He’s not trying to rationalize it, he’s explaining the context, and in the process emphasizing it..

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    Quinerly says:

    Amal and Oprah were both wearing Stella M. 💙💚💛🧡❤️

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    MomSense says:


    Isn’t that the major problem with our media? They all tend to be superficial and narcissistic. I spent a lot of time around the HW Bush era White House press corpse and they were insufferable. They were like those kids in high school who aspire to sit at the cool kids’ table at lunch.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Quinerly: I think Stella M. did Amal more fashion favors with that yellow than she did for Oprah in pink.

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    rikyrah says:

    They are going to a luncheon hosted by Her Majesty.😄

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    geg6 says:


    Exactly. I really am despising them today when normally I just dislike them intensely. Why are they such stars on MSNBC? I don’t get it. So superficial and self-absorbed. Blech. They are ruining the whole thing for me because I can’t stop thinking about how much I hate them.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @debbie: I thing the idea is that you don’t care any more about “supposed to.” How does that poem go about wearing purple and unsuitable hats?

    What I remember about the Charles and Di wedding was months later, in a handbell workshop, how the instructor couldn’t stop raving about the two hours of change ringing. Change ringing involves 8 people ringing 8 church bells, and doing these complicated choreographed swaps. The longer patterns take hours to complete. Ringing, and ringing, and ringing, and ringing, and…

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    Quinerly says:

    @Immanentize: When I saw Oprah’s dress on line, I thought it was quite lovely. The beading… and the shoes. Normally, I don’t care for pink. Now, I’m going to be controversial… I was not crazy about Meghan’s dress at first. It may be growing on me, though.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Nicholas Pegg on Twitter

    Not sure what, if anything, I was expecting of the royal wedding; but I certainly wasn’t expecting it to be a glorious, beautiful, happy, sustained exercise in sticking two fingers up at racism, sexism, Trump, Farage and Brexit before an audience of millions. Worth every penny.

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    Lapassionara says:

    So, I missed the procession. What music was played as she came down the aisle?

    Good morning, everyone.

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    Quinerly says:

    Tiara was lent to her by the Queen. Not a Spencer tiara as previously speculated.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: couldn’t have said it better.

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    Elizabelle says:

    21 degrees today. Diana’s was a beastly 24. Today is perfect. Weather in Fahrenheit?

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    debbie says:


    It was Queen Mary’s, I heard.

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    debbie says:


    Agreed. I got sucked in, but it was nice that happy outshone pomp.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @debbie: from the early 1930s, with a gem from 1893 or thereabouts.

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    Aleta says:

    What time is the jousting?

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    Quinerly says:

    @debbie: I kinda feel like I’m babbling. I’m really enjoying sharing this with BJuicers, though. Poco just doesn’t seem interested 😎 and is pissed about no 6:30 beach walk.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    21 C = 70 F
    24 C = 75 F

    Not a huge difference. I suppose 24 is “beastly” if you’re wearing a lot of layers under hot lights and you were raised by polar bears.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @debbie: Just over 2.5 miles according to the BBC.

    Loved it all, especially the modern world touches. The gospel choir was great and the sermon was the best I have ever heard. Very inspirational, it wasn’t too long as far as I am concerned.

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    geg6 says:

    D R Tucker at WaMo needs to lighten up. Yes, the world and the country are totally fucked up. Things are very bad and we must keep our eyes on the prize. But people also need distraction from the awful and a little joy and happiness to get us through. Dude needs to chill.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    That link gave me anxiety.

    In school, I worked for a while at a beer distributorship, second shift. Operated a forklift offloading boxcars and handloading trucks. There were no hard hats, no goggles and beer would stack 4 pallets high (smomewhere between 16-20 feet). My first day there the owner knocked two pallets of bottles off the top of a stack – it took eight hours to clean up.

    Anyway, there was always beer on tap for employees (route drivers would bring back kegs which were about 15% full, and we had a tap system in place). You could drink as much as you wanted so long as you got your work done.

    I might have speared several pallets of cans when forgetting to lower my forks.

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    Quinerly says:

    Does anyone know who the very tall, very attractive woman in the ORANGE dress was and who designed the dress? Gorgeous dress.

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    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Just for a lark I compared the numbers of schoolchildren deaths with those of police officers for 2018, and found:

    “Gunfire 27
    Gunfire (Accidental) 1”

    I’m just wondering when all these Blue Lives Matter asshole businesses and citizens are gonna start showing some public support for the victims of school shootings…

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    BBC Three just trolled Twitler on twitter. Side by side shots of his inauguration and today’s crowds with a “just sayin'”

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    Jackals are quite the royalists, gushing like giddy school girls.

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    Aleta says:

    Sheku Kanneh-Mason’s socks were also a highlight. And then the horses managed to outshine *almost* everyone. I dug the black and white floor completely. Karen Gibson ✨ 💟

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: What I remember is Andrew and Fergie’s wedding–sort of–because I was actually there, in London, for unrelated reasons, but I napped through the whole thing with severe jet lag. I remember seeing a lot of guys out on the street hawking souvenirs.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @schrodingers_cat: The jackals are mostly rooting for the self-made bride, who is not a royalist. The changing face of royalty is something to cheer on and should be.

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    AliceBlue says:

    I think you’ll like this–there’s a pub in Derby that is fining any patron who mentions the royal wedding, with all proceeds going to a local charity.

    I haven’t watched any of it, but I clicked on a picture of the dress. My first thought was “huh, I liked my own dress better.”

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    Aleta says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Waiting for trumpo to tell us he declined their invite, work work work.

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    @Platonailedit: QEII is a Balloon Juice favorite.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Platonailedit: ❤️.
    plus, #blackroyalwedding

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    Quinerly says:

    @Aleta: plus, crowd size.

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    Aleta says:

    @schrodingers_cat: That sounds like a decree.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: luncheon is mostly finger food so that the 600 guests can mingle and not stuck in their places.

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    geg6 says:


    I am no fan, but distractions from the dystopian world we’re currently living in is a nice thing for some of us who need to de-stress. Plus, I am pretty taken with the bride. She’s lovely and I love how much diversity she and her prince inserted into the whole thing. I know how much you hate Brits and their awful history, but this is not a bad thing for them to be signaling.

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    germy says:

    I turned on my local PBS TV station this morning and they were in the middle of the royal wedding service. A Black woman was giving a sermon (this was right before the cello solo). Can anyone tell me who she is? A beautiful prayer about their love spreading out towards all disadvantaged people.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Uncle Ebeneezer: SCHOOL LIVES MATTER! Nice catch.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I don’t know if she is a favorite here or not, but today is about a very modern bride and her groom. We can all hate or love Elizabeth on another day.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @germy: I don’t know her name but the chyron said she was Chaplain to the Queen.

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    germy says:

    @Sloane Ranger: Thank you. I’m looking for her sermon online.

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    Bex says:

    @tobie: You missed the best part.

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    D58826 says:

    Old enough to remember that the foundations of the universe were shattered when the Queens’s sister dated an RAF officer and a commoner.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @germy: She is the Queen’s Chaplain I believe brb, I stand corrected “Honorary Chaplain to the Queen”.

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    germy says:

    Reverend Prebendary Rose Hudson-Wilkin

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    mad citizen says:

    @geg6: “I can’t take Stephanie Ruhle and Katy Tur. I don’t like them normally but they are especially obnoxious today. They are making it all about them. Ugh.”

    Speaking of naricssist commentators, I’m hoping to watch online later the HBO Wedding version with Cord and Tish. I get HBO thru Amazon so couldn’t stream it (looks like I needed the HBO Go App, but I’m not big on using apps), but hope it’s available later.

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    Quinerly says:

    @geg6: ❤️

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    germy says:

    @mad citizen: PBS was remarkably understated.

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    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I hope someone starts trolling the “Pro-Life” crowd with tee shirts/bumper stickers that say things like:

    Choose Life: Repeal the 2nd Amendment
    Choose Life: Abolish the Police
    Choose Life: Expand the ACA/Medicaid for ALL
    Choose Life: Fight Climate Change
    Choose Life: Prosecute Hate Crimes
    Choose Life: Reinstate CHIP

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    HeleninEire says:

    I watched. I love all the pomp. And the Brits do it the best. I ALWAYS watch their ceremonies. The only difference this time is that I didn’t have to get up at an ungodly hour to do so.

    I have only one complaint. I Love, love, love the dress. But it didn’t fit her. The waste should have been more pulled in and the boob part was buckling in. Now, I get it. A friend who is a wedding planner tells me that ALL brides lose weight. But when you are marrying a Prince and spending £200,000 on the dress you get the designer in the night before to refit it.

    But other than that, FABULOUS.

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    Raven says:

    And I’m a grumpy mothefucker. . . sheeeeet!

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    Feathers says:

    Leaving this here because it is probably the only royal wedding gossip the jackals will care about: Meghan’s rescue beagle, Guy, spotted riding the in the back seat with the Queen! The Queen and Guy

    If the Queen and Meghan are close enough that the Queen is looking after her dog while she is on her honeymoon, that’s a good sign. And apparently the corgis like Meghan more than they like Harry.

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    @Platonailedit: I neither hate QEII nor Meghan Markle. I wish Harry and Megan all the happiness in the world.

    ETA: Its not the individuals, it is what the royal family represents.

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    germy says:

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    I hope someone starts trolling the “Pro-Life” crowd with tee shirts/bumper stickers

    Knowing wingnuts like I do, I guarantee any vehicle with one of those bumper stickers would be vandalized almost immediately, if not run off the road.

    These are not nice people.

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    Baud says:

    @Feathers: Thank you! That shit needs to be front paged ASAP.

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    germy says:

    It’s not every day you get to marry a prince, and to have a whole side of your family showing their whole, entire ass to the whole, entire world and attempting to drag you down to their level cannot be easy to watch or tolerate.

    Then again, it is also amazing to me that she’s marrying into the whitest and messiest family of all time (check the history books and do a Google search before you @ me), after dealing with her own white relatives for 36 years. So maybe she doesn’t need that sympathy after all.

    Either which way, good luck, girl, and Godspeed. I wish you nothing but your happily ever after.

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    Quinerly says:

    For all of us who loved Rev Curry, here’s his Wiki page:

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    Feathers says:

    @Baud: And Guy is so cute looking out the window.

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    Aleta says:

    @Feathers: Decent of him to escort Elizabeth; these affairs are hard to bear without the company of a dog, and she’s not used to being on her own.

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    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    @germy: This pretty much summarizes the problem in our country. One side will use violence any time their feelings are hurt or someone dares to disagree with them.

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    germy says:

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    One side will use violence any time their feelings are hurt or someone dares to disagree with them.


    I find myself on the road behind vehicles with anti-Obama or pro-gun bumper stickers. I see the “I work hard to support people on welfare” sticker frequently. I’m disgusted every time, but I’d never actually act out.

    These people act out.

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    Aleta says:

    @schrodingers_cat: No criticism implied?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Aleta: Of course there was some judgment implied, but it wasn’t a decree. It was a description of how SC views the response of a lot of BJ people to the royal wedding.

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    J R in WV says:


    Sawzalls are more accurately demolition devices rather than construction devices. We had a plumbing repair lately to replace a valve clogged with scale, and he used a Sawzall to remove the plumbing he was repairing.

    It was HARD to watch. Then he used a power clamp thing to put on squeeze-on fittings, done in no time. Except for putting the wall back together, which I did to save money. But I love mine, battery operated Milwaukee. ZAAP it is cut!

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    @Aleta: Bemusement, rather than criticism.

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    J R in WV says:


    We had an Obama bumper sticker on each vehicle from his first primary race until those vehicles were traded in on a new car or totally destroyed in a rollover crash. Twice we had negative reactions from other drivers in tens of thousands of miles. One was a typical biker in AZ who passed us on a rural highway and did a thumbs down as he got past, so actually relatively polite disapproval.

    The second time was in Ohio, we were in a VW on a driving long weekend trip on I-70. When we were passed by a Chrysler New Yorker a RWNJ in the back seat gave us the finger. All I could do not to sideswipe them with vigor. But I didn’t. Figures the guy wearing a suit was obscene and the biker was more polite.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @Matt McIrvin: yep, that was her.

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