Friday Morning Open Thread: More Than A One-Day Wonder

As the economists say, If something cannot go on forever, it will stop. I know there have been plenty of what looked like breakpoints before, but yesterday’s Fox call-in really did go… ON BEYOND the weirdness horizon.

Per the Atlantic:

[I]f Trump can’t avoid problems, he can at least try to grab the spotlight himself when they crop up. That’s what the president did during a wide-ranging and characteristically bizarre call-in to Fox and Friends Thursday morning. It was the president’s first television interview in some time—he called in to another Fox show two months ago—and he didn’t hesitate to make news, if not sense. The hosts seemed shell-shocked when it was over.

“I think he was awake and had a lot to say,” Steve Doocy said.

“He is a morning person,” Brian Kilmeade replied.

Summarizing the interview would be impossible, but a number of moments stood out. Trump appeared to contradict earlier denials, saying Michael Cohen had represented him in a matter with Stormy Daniels, who has alleged an affair with the president. He defended Jackson, saying the allegations against him were false. He repeatedly threatened to intervene in the Justice Department, and accused former FBI Director James Comey of crimes. He appeared to endorse the popular vote over the Electoral College. He disclosed new details of talks with North Korea. For good measure, he complained about Hillary Clinton and the Democratic primary debates two years ago…

“It is all lies and it is a horrible thing that is going on, a horrible thing,” Trump continued. “Yet I have accomplished with all of this going on more than any president in the first year in our history. Everybody, even the enemies and haters admit that. We have accomplished more than any president in the first year by far.” No part of this statement is true…

The hosts also asked Trump to weigh in on a series of supportive tweets by Kanye West on Wednesday. He attributed West’s comments to dropping black unemployment, and suggested that the GOP could win over African American voters. “People don’t realize, if you go back to the Civil War the Republicans really did the thing. Lincoln was a Republican,” he said, citing an extremely well-known fact.

As the interview reached its end, the hosts tossed the president a softball, asking him how he’d grade his performance. His grade was predictable—A+—as was the meandering nature of his answer. He didn’t miss the chance to bring up Hillary Clinton and the 2016 election. He noted his Electoral College triumph, but said, “I would rather have the popular vote because it’s, to me, it’s much easier to win the popular vote.” Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes…

Not to mention three Foxbots wearing the expression when you’ve realized Great-Uncle Donny has dropped his Alzheimers prescription and started self-medicating again.

Alexandra Petri, at the Washington Post:

“I did watch a liar-leaker — ” Here Steve Doocy laughed a hollow, uncomfortable laugh, as though by the mechanical motion of laughter he could stave off the dawning realization of the horror of his position, trying to get the president of the United States, spouting unhinged factless theories about conspiracy, off the television before he caused himself legal trouble, “and his performance, by the way, was horrible.”

It began to be clear that he would never leave, that they would be trapped here with him as long as the sun burned, with people from other Fox departments having to run in periodically with sandwiches and bottled water as the president continued to speak in one great, burning, horrible loop, that these would be the clothes that they would die in, and that, worst of all, they would learn nothing….

“And you look at the corruption at the top of the FBI. It’s a disgrace. And our Justice Department, which I try and stay away from, but at some point I won’t,” Trump said.

“Okay,” said Kilmeade, as though that were not a horrifying and alarming statement in every regard.

“Our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with Russia. There is no collusion with me — ”

“All right,” Earnhardt said, trying frantically to remember whether America had agreed on any kind of safe word before the election.

” — and Russia, and everyone knows it,” Trump said.

“Everyone,” Kilmeade said. “We could talk to you all day but it looks like — ”

“Sure,” Trump said.

” — you have a million things to do.”

“Well, you could have,” Trump began.

“But I hope you can join us again, Mr. President,” Kilmeade said, since Fox decorum I guess prohibited shouting, “GET OFF THE PHONE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY.”

And the president kept going!

Of course, there were those who claimed to love the whole catastrophuck…

Betty’s “ambulatory cream cheese sculpture” epithet may have been too generous to Mr. Hewitt, TBH.

174 replies
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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    rikyrah says:

    The best tweet was one that had the F&F hosts screen shots as the call went on.
    Hilarious 😄😄

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning rikyrah!

    No cool emojis, my regular Kindle was stolen yesterday, with my phone, from my booth in the Farmers Market. I’m now on my first gen Kindle, and it’s funny how much better the newer Kindles are than this old thing. I got everything turned off and reset remotely, so no security issues, changed all my passwords, and all that other stuff. What a pain. Now hoping I just remember all the new passwords I reset yesterday!

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    rikyrah says:

    A candidate for Governor in Georgia explains what the Governor does, in a Schoolhouse Rock kind of way

    Have we had a fundraiser for her?

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    rikyrah says:

    Sorry about that, satby😠😠😠
    If you want, aren’t they having a sale on Kindle Fire ‘s right now?

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    raven says:

    @rikyrah: I’d wait until the primary is over.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Damn, that sucks.

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    raven says:

    @rikyrah: I wonder what impact of both Dem candidates being named Stacey will have?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Joe Barton, a Republican representative from Texas, used his time to ask Pruitt if he had rented a “party jet”. Pruitt said he hadn’t. “Well, that’s good,” Barton said.

    A Texas Republican.

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    geg6 says:

    I watch a clip of this and involuntarily felt sympathy for that poor woman in the middle (I have no idea who any of these F&F people are). Her face went through a whole series of emotions in just that short clip I saw. From polite interest to definite concern to worried to a hostage video shell shock. The dark haired dude was just acting like he was trying to talk a homeless jumper off a bridge. And the blonde guy was just sitting there grinning like a loon. He looked like he would have been happy to hear the guy at the end of the bar rave on all night. The first two had reactions I can empathize with but blonde dude? What the hell is wrong with him?

    Oh, and good morning, rikyrah.

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    JPL says:

    @rikyrah: There are two Stacey’s running, and either would be good. I think Abrams has a better chance, but Stacey Evans has a more progressive voting record. I’m torn between the two.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    JPL says:

    @raven: It might favor Abrams because her name should be listed first.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:


    I have a Kindle Fire HD8 that I got for $50 at Target on Black Friday.

    IIRC,they still go for $80 or so, and the HD7 is around $50.

    For the money, it’s a decent device if all you do is browsing, reading, and light gaming.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Well I had a same gen spare as the one that got stolen, but it’s not where I remember leaving the box. My house sitters “helped” me by shifting stuff around… now I can’t find it. It was in a box and I just hope they didn’t throw the box away.
    Humans often aggravate the fuck out of me.

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    satby says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): Yeah, that’s pretty much got stolen, whatever gen it was 2 years ago. I may just get another since they’ve dropped in price again. But, dammit, I already have one that I can’t find.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    What the hell is wrong with him?

    He’s a doozy.

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    But her emails!! says:


    You shouldn’t have sympathy for the F&F cast. They are literally the people turning your friends, family and 1/3 of America into versions of Trump. They probably bare some responsibility for Trump himself.

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    satby says:

    @But her emails!!:

    They probably bare some responsibility for Trump himself.

    They do indeed bear some responsibility, as do all of the liars at Fox.

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    @raven: Xmas music already, and I thought August was early for that.

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    geg6 says:

    @But her emails!!:

    To be fair, they aren’t turning any of my friends and family into anything because they wouldn’t watch FOX for pay. But that 1/3 of America? They are definitely a concern for all of us.

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    raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: The name of the song is “War is Over”.

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    geg6 says:


    Oh, so he’s that Doocey guy. Thanks!

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    @raven: No, it’s ‘Happy Xmas, War is Over’.

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    raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Well you answered your own question then didn’t you?

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    I actually watched the whole thing last night. It really seemed like it was dawning on at least two of them that the wheels are coming off the bus.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @geg6: ;-)

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    TRUMP: Well, good morning, and I picked a very, very special day, because it’s Melania’s birthday, so I said let’s do it on Melania’s birthday. So, happy birthday to Melania.

    KILMEADE: All right. Hopefully, they’ll be visits in between, but have you decided on or do you want to tell us what you got her?

    TRUMP: Well, I better not get into that, because I may get in trouble. Maybe I didn’t get her so much.

    I’ll tell you what. She has done — I got her a beautiful card. You know, I’m very busy to be running out looking for presents, okay? But I got her a beautiful card and some beautiful flowers.

    Getting her a gift would cut into his time watching the Gorilla Channel.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): which light games?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Ida B Wells: the unsung heroine of the civil rights movement

    Today, a simple marker on a street corner in Memphis, Tennessee commemorates the People’s Grocery lynching. In 1892 three black men, co-owners of a store giving white businesses a run for their money, were attacked, fought back and were arrested. They never stood trial. A white mob broke into the jail, dragged them away and lynched them.

    The murders were grieved by their friend Ida B Wells, an African American teacher, journalist, civil rights pioneer and suffragist about whom it was once said: “She has plenty of nerve; she is as smart as a steel trap, and she has no sympathy with humbug.”

    Wells was galvanised to count, investigate and report lynchings in America as no one had done before, hurling her 5ft frame into hostile territory with all the fearlessness of a war reporter.

    Worth the read.

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    Baud says:

    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in embraced after pledging on Friday to work for the “complete denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula,” punctuating a day of smiles and handshakes at the first inter-Korean summit in more than a decade.

    The two Koreas announced they would work with the United States and China this year to declare an official end to the 1950s Korean war and seek an agreement to establish “permanent” and “solid” peace in its place.

    The declaration included promises to pursue phased military arms reduction, cease hostile acts, transform their fortified border into a peace zone, and seek multilateral talks with other countries including the United States.


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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Seth Meyers speeds up Drumpf’s Captain Queeq-like rambling (video)

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    Quinerly says:

    Has anyone posted about this Alabama sheriff taking $ for inmates’ food to buy a $750,000 Gulf coast house?

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    p.a. says:



    Well there’s the catch: tRump doesn’t do multilateral.

    “That’s some catch, that Catch 22.”

    Atrios said he’s tweeting this morning. No report on subject yet.

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    trnc says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The soft bigotry of low expectations.

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    kd bart says:

    Three days ago, I jokingly told friends that they’re going to name the new royal baby, Lou. Lo and behold, they went ahead and named him Louis Arthur Charles. The money I could’ve won.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    So he said — and you know, the funny thing, he does these memos and then fake news CNN, who’s a total fake — you know, they give Hillary Clinton the questions to the debate, and nobody — can you imagine, by the way, if you gave me the questions to a debate? They would have you out of business and they’d have me — you better get out of this campaign. They don’t even bring it up. I mean, CNN — fake news CNN actually gave the questions to the —

    No, no — no, no, but think of it. How bad is that? So anyway — so Comey leaked and, by the way, also what he did with CNN in order to placate them, you saw that whole scenario. This is a big mistake, this book. He is guilty of crimes, and if we had a Justice Department that was doing their job instead of spending $8 million trying to find —

    There’s no need for that.
    He’ll only tell you lies.

    All the officers were disloyal.
    They were always fighting me.

    If the crew wanted their
    shirt-tails out, they’d let them.

    Take the tow line …
    defective equipment.

    But they began spreading wild
    rumours about steaming in circles, –

    – and then “Old Yellowstain”. I was
    to blame for Maryk’s incompetence.

    Maryk was the perfect officer,
    but not Queeg.

    But the strawberries,
    that’s where I had them.

    I proved with geometric logic that a
    duplicate key to the icebox existed.

    I could have produced that key. They
    were protecting some officer …

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    JPL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Who is Sailor? The Code Breakers at Bletchley Park would have trouble deciphering that tweet.

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    kd bart says:

    @David Merry Christmas Koch: It’s Trump’s version of On the Road.

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    SFAW says:


    A Texas Republican.

    “Who grew up in Missouri,” I notice you forgot to mention.

    No, not really. He’s been a fucking asshole and moron from Texas since forever.

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    Baud says:


    I was struck by this.

    transform their fortified border into a peace zone,

    I wonder what that means for the U.S. presence.

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    Aleta says:

    @Quinerly: So many ideas, but I’ll go with Rosebud-cinematic deathbed.
    A young Donald Trump plays a sailor in his middle school’s production of the musical “HMS Pinafore.” Trump is pictured left of center with a whistle around his neck.

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    Baron Elmo says:

    Ho-ley SHIT. That Fox and Friends interview… Trump sounds like some cross between a deranged street ranter and Red at the Tube Bar. Check out the You Tube clip where Seth Myers speeds up the tape (at about 2:20 in), so we can see the progressively panicked and appalled faces of the F & F crew as Lord Smallgloves makes with the crazy.

    It would be a genuine laugh riot, were it not for the fact that this unhinged crank is currently occupying the Oval Office.

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    germy says:

    Tom Brokaw’s turn in the hot seat.

    Groper and assaulter, according to his accuser.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @trnc: I took it as pure sarcasm.

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    JPL says:

    @Aleta: Interesting.

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    Baud says:

    @germy: Hoping it pans out. He’s insufferable.

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    @Baud: We’d be asked to leave.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    I was thinking about Carson’s desired rent increase for HUD benefit recipients.

    It’s not only cruel, it is mind-bogglingly stupid, as it is going to dramatically increase costs to Section 8 landlords. These are tenants which are frequently in arrears on the non-subsidized portion of rents at lower levels – if they go up, then that’s simply going to be uncollected rents which WILL have broader economic ripple effects, because money to local landlords (the vast majority of Section 8 lessors) does have community velocity.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Quinerly: that was on John Fuckin Oliver.

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    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: It’ll also increase the homeless population, that’s a big concern here in L.A..

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Makes sense. It’s a question of when and under what conditions though.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: interesting that so many conservatives quoted in that are openly speculating about an impending civil war.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Aleta: oh, my!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: That’s why they want to do it.

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    Baud says:

    6 million

    People in the U.S. who can’t vote because they were convicted of a felony. More than 1 million of them reside in Florida.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @germy: he recently turned on the right wing hand.

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    Baud says:

    @satby: It’s not surprising. You see it on our side too.

    Once again, though, we see that economic anxiety was not the reason for Trump.

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    @Baud: If the ROK tells us to go, we’d have to leave.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Sure. But when do you think they’ll feel confident enough about the peace process to do that?

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    @Baud: This is awesome. People who are conversing and shaking hands for the photographers are far less likely to start shooting at each other. But I wonder: what happened? Was it the threat of annihilation by Donny Dollhands? Did China finally swing a big enough axe in the DPRK’s face to scare some sense into the leadership? Are the pictures of the wonders of the Olympics inspiring honest statesmanship instead of barking rhetoric? Something pretty dramatic changed between now and six months ago when the fighting words and missile tests were flying. That’s a journey I would love to hear about.

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    Baud says:

    @BruceFromOhio: Some random guy on Reddit said South Korea had right wing leaders that soured on peace but recently elected a new leaders who were more conciliatory. I don’t know if that’s accurate.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: @satby: A blizzard of special little snowflakes.

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    Quinerly says:

    Has anyone posted at length about Joy Reid? I’ve been out of the loop and only catching snippets. The Daily Beast dropped her. I just adore her. I missed her shows this past weekend. Any comments from her? I guess I could Google but curious what BJers think.

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    SectionH says:

    @raven: Yes it is.

    @raven: Another year over? Me, lost Ziri, I know how hard I tried to give her another % of Time she WAS LOVED, vs her years of torture.

    Right now I’m supporting a local guy for a San Diego County Supervisor:

    My kid held a fund raiser for Omar months ago. Walking the walk. I love my kid. I think he might kind of been raised OK.

    I basically preach at ppl to VOTE in June for a start. It’s kind of tough to get ppl to pay attention to a primary election.

    Sometimes when I get talking to someone, they’ll say, I’m not legal, and then I say, well tell the ppl you know who are legal to fucking vote. And sometimes they smile… because they so have family who can vote. Or friends…

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    Chess and other board games are what I run on it.

    Though I did install Google Play Services, Google Calendar & the Play Store so I could sync with my phone and keep the same UI that I’m used to.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    My prediction – within 18 months of US departure, the entire Korean Peninsula will be ruled by an iron fist from Pyongyang.

    That population has been in a Skinner box for 3 generations, conditioned to hate the ROK leadership, Japan and the West, as well as to worship the Kims as gods. A functional state department would have warned of this.

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    Baud says:

    @Quinerly: No post, but people talking about it in the comments. My impression is that it doesn’t look good for her.

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    Baud says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Ultimately, it’s South Korea’s job to protect themselves. If they want us to leave, we have to leave.

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    @Baud: I propose it would be a combination of signed, ratified mutually beneficial agreements between North and South, specifically a declaration to the end of hostilities and a peace treaty, a strengthening of the South’s military capability, and a long period of stability and economic balance that allows the relationships to foster. Also: recall that the US isn’t there strictly because of the North Koreans – it was the Chinese and Russians supporting the North that drew the US into the ‘police action.’ The whole thing is a relic of the cold war and the power vacuum left after the defeat of Japan, and it’s going to be a long, slow walk to cover that ground and build something new. Decades?

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    I agree, but it is a massive error if they do.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Baud: that’s been my impression too. My young Gay friends who are very Liberal and very read in on politics/current events have turned on her. One gentleman was a huge fan.

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    WereBear says:

    @satby: Oh, what a bummer! At least you had a backup device.

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    MJS says:

    Re: Trump’s “sailor” reference, he’s referring to a U.S. Navy seaman (?) who was sent to prison for taking and posting unauthorized pictures inside a submarine. Or something along those lines. It’s hard to keep track of all the examples of malfeasance used by the right to explain why Hillary/Comey/Obama, et all belong in jail.

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    MomSense says:


    I’m so sorry! The new kindles are pretty nice. I got one on some kind of amazon day. It was only $49 and I like it better than my old iPad.

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    JR says:


    Hawkins said that the average American conservative feels bombarded daily with disrespect.

    Hawkins could try walking a mile in another person’s shoes but that would be anathema to his conviction.

    What a turd, I hope his suffering extends to the literal definition of that word.

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    Quinerly says:

    @MJS: thanks!

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    MomSense says:


    I think it’s a perfect way to silence one of the best critics of the trump administration who happens to also be one of the best journalists covering the Russian interference in our elections. Bonus creation of more division among the Democrats/ lefties just in time for the midterms.

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    Baud says:

    @Quinerly: It’s unfair that people like Andrew Sullivan or Brian Williams can say much worse and not be considered persona non grata. I cross my fingers that the FBI actually finds evidence of hacking, but the reporting FWIW makes that seem unlikely.

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    @Quinerly: Strangers stab you in the back. Friends stab you in the front.
    Sounds like a bit of both is happening. Best thing I think is to own what’s yours, and let someone else refute the rest. And remember that people have long memories of what they heard first – the retractions and corrections come too late to moderate a first impression.

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    JPL says:

    @BruceFromOhio: Months ago the South Koreans discovered that it was easier to deal with Kim rather than Trump. Trump can still cause havoc when he visits though. That’s just my thinking.

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    But her emails!! says:


    Not interesting. Conservatives are up in arms because the left fails to provide the respect to their bullshit that they feel they are entitled to. It has apparently been made clear that this is not going to happen, so the only conceivable solution is for them to kill us all.

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    rikyrah says:

    @kd bart:
    I thought that they would add a Philip in there.

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    Baud says:

    @JR: Yeah, there is no solution unless we’re willing to give hate a pass, and I don’t think that’s on the table (and I hope it’s not).

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    rikyrah says:

    You know that it’s on the ballot in Florida- to restore ex-felon voting rights.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: I recall that. If that passes, it could be monumental.

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    rikyrah says:

    No discussion of the discovery that Cohen had 16 phones when the government raided him?😒😒

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    Kay says:

    16h16 hours ago
    More Chelsea Clinton Retweeted Kara Calavera
    I have no one blocked. As Heidi has blocked me, I hope someone forwards this to her, thank you. The only water I carry is my own. And, it’s decent, not filthy, to care about facts and to ask those who purport to have fact checked, to fact check.Chelsea Clinton added,

    The charge she’s responding to here is : The Clintons sent Chelsea Clinton out to attack journalists on Twitter, because they’re protecting the (male) advisors who worked on the campaign and were portrayed unfavorably in the book. That’s the theory of the crime put forth by the prosecution… er, other journalists. Motive! But Chelsea Clinton hasn’t objected to anything in the book other than the parts that involve Chelsea Clinton’s specific actions. She speaks ONLY to her own actions.

    The Clintons have an evil, secret plot- again. This time they’re using their daughter to do their dirty work. Lock her up.

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    @MomSense: This. Plus who she is – the racist, cheating ass-grabbing white male talking heads get all the passes. A liberal black woman? No pass. Getting her supporters to turn on her is just icing on the cake. That and the yes-I-said-this-but-I-didn’t-say-these-other-things aspect makes everything too squishy for the soundbite era of the Twatters.

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    MattF says:

    Hewitt’s comment is pretty amazing. “See, Mr. Hewitt, the space-time continuum the rest of us inhabit is over here, not over there.”

    I guess Trump hears lies and flattery all day long– and some of it sticks in his memory, such as it is. It then gets regurgitated.

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    rikyrah says:

    Did I miss the discussion of Avenatti throwing it out there that Broidy-the $ 1.6 million dollar man, might have been nothing but a bag man?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JR: Hawkins never learned that respect has to be earned. I am not surprised.

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    rikyrah says:

    That she’s been set up!
    I believe Joy

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    JPL says:

    Trump and Merkel are meeting today, and considering the mood he’s in, who knows what will happen.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: We really should name names of the “journalists” who are attacking Chelsea for setting the record straight. These aren’t bots. They can be identified and deemed not-credible.

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    @JR: bwhahaha, trying being respectable and maybe people will respect you. Try standing up to your dickhead president and standing up FOR your principles and morals, and people will treat you as genuine. Otherwise, STFU.

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    rikyrah says:

    Morning to Poco and the tribe 😄😺

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    bystander says:

    @Quinerly: I love Joy, too. Is this based on her insensitive comments about Crist years ago? If so, then shouldn’t Jeff Greenfield be shunned for his fag comments in his Village Voice articles about Stonewall?

    I’m not a big Seth Myers fan but that clip was great.

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    germy says:


    No discussion of the discovery that Cohen had 16 phones when the government raided him?

    One of them probably belonged to Satby.

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    MattF says:

    @Kay: Attacks on Chelsea are pre-emptive– she’s a Clinton, and, according to RW tradition, needs to be shown exactly what will happen if she ever shows a scintilla of political ambition.

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    satby says:

    @germy: yep. I needed him to advise me on some real estate.

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    Chyron HR says:


    according to RW tradition

    *progressive tradition

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    rikyrah says:

    Meghan McCain is ridiculous 😠
    But, since she wants to sit there and defend this regime, oh well.

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    @Cheryl Rofer: Oh to have been a fly on the wall when they cut to commercial.

    Wow. Just… wow.

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    MattF says:

    @rikyrah: Hmm. I could see three or four with different features or security– but 16 just presents a barrier to anyone who’s trying to contact him.

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    What is wrong with Doocy? Well, all that insane, fantasy world shit Trump says? Those are the positions Fox sells as if they’re obvious fact. The network has gone past spin to living in their own parallel universe. Doocy has just drunk the Kool-Aid and is hearing his president give a righteous heartfelt Truth To Power speech.

    Brokaw is a vile, sadistic son of a bitch who thinks the poor have it too good. He’s a red flag for having committed abuse of power crimes like sexual harassment and assault. He also needs to be gotten off the air so he can hurt the world less with his evil opinions.

    They’re sick and tired of ignorance, bigotry, and cruelty being treated as bad things. When an entire half of our political spectrum runs on that anger, we have a big problem. But they also can’t put that genie back in the bottle. The majority of Americans and the dominant half of public opinion will never agree with them again.

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    Baud says:

    The one silver lining with Joy Reid situation is seeing all the Kevin Williamson fans standing up for her consistent with their principles.

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    rikyrah says:

    Chelsea is far classier than me. But, she slices and dices them with that class.

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    germy says:

    @satby: No, I meant he grabbed it when your back was turned at the farmer’s market.

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    MattF says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I’d guess stunned silence. Remember, this is Fox– negativity about Trump is verboten.

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    @MattF: Phone hoarding, a sad scourge on our civilization.

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    debbie says:

    Colbert played a small clip from the interview. My God, the president is a lunatic.

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    SectionH says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Ya think?

    tl;dr Jack Kemp was possibly the best HUD adminstator in the last 40 years. Oh yeah, and I’m sure you will believe me when I say that when Newt & Co did their US Gov shutdown, all our moran Landlords had kittens. We were like You didn’t get your check? Take it up with Newt. There was some pushback even in Bonbon* County after that. Srsly, fucking LLs didn’t get their checks? Fuck you, tell Newt. We made them feel the actual pain then. Sadly, not enough.

    I have to admit that Jack Kemp was one of the best actual heads of HUD ever. He made the mistake of trying to make shit work better. Yeah, I’m that old. FSM knows we tried.

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    debbie says:


    “What we’ve got here is a failure to communicate.”

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    debbie says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Not very Christian either. Jesus wants his painting back.

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    Kay says:


    I don’t know what they’re defending. It’s a “memoir” – no one is supposed to treat it as a historical record. They can take all kinds of creative license- “someone told me..” etc. Chelsea Clinton is famous. Anyone can say literally anything about her and there are no rules and no repercussions for not “fact checking”. That’s all they had to say. But they went further- they insisted it was 100% verifiable and accurate – “fact checked”- which of course means Clinton is lying. Of course Clinton defends on that, and she’s entitled to defend on it. It’s very simple what she’s saying- she says she didn’t do or say these things and they’re presented as facts in the book. That’s okay- it’s a memoir. It’s not a trial transcript. But for some reason they won’t accept that so insist it’s 100% accurate and verifiable- “fact checked”. That’s why Clinton wouldn’t leave it alone. They’re claiming a higher standard.

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    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
    Korea will not unite under Pyongyang without a truly ugly war. The idea that South Korea would agree to it peacefully is ludicrous and insane. It would be like the US asking Somalia to annex us. China does not want the war, America would step in even under Trump’s cowardly presidency, South Korea won’t ask us to leave unless they are rock certain there will be peace, and North Korea is a mess that probably can’t win on their own. They’re rigged to be impossible to conquer, not to conquer. Whatever happens, it won’t be NK taking over SK.

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    debbie says:


    Because they’re idiots. Along with their idiot leader, they gleefully spewed bile for 8 years and expected to assume power with no consequences. They never expected any push-back at all (which started the day after the Inauguration!). They forgot no one escapes the Law of the Universe #1: You get back what you put out.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: I never heard of this rule that a memoir can lie about people and those people aren’t entitled to set the record straight.

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    sherparick1 says:

    @satby: Rupert Fucking Murdoch, who by the way was one of the billionaires at the State Dinner for President Macron this week and, according to Bloomberg, was one of 5 super-rich billionaires who have seen a 70% increase in his wealth since The Donald’s election.

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    debbie says:


    Do you think she really posted those statements?

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: Tail wags, meows, and waves back! Have a great day!

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: I caught it yesterday on TV in the background. Discussed on BJ?

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Quinerly: I suspect Reid actually wrote the articles but didn’t publish them (there are no comments, remember). She thinks she was hacked because she thinks they shouldn’t ever have been publicly readable but they were, or became so after the blog was archived.

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    Kay says:


    And IF you are both a journalist and write memoirs you can’t blur those lines! If you pay a price on the journalist side with people who doubt your reporting work because they’re blurring the line, well, that’s your problem. That’s life in the crushing wheel ‘o commerce- upsides and downsides. It’s certainly not Clinton’s problem.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Fair Economist: I’m tending to agree. Consensus among my friends who adored her.

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    Baud says:

    @Fair Economist: That makes a lot of sense. Now we’re punishing allies for their drafts.

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    Dave says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: That and it’s not as if South Korea is helpless in the face of the North. A war would be devastating everyone would lose but this idea that the North just marches into the South and maybe gets it’s hair mussed a bit is well very unlikely.

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    Weaselone says:

    @Baud: which is essentially punishing thought crime. Joy presumably didn’t publish those for a reason.

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    Baud says:

    @Weaselone: Agree. Hopefully, we can wait till all the facts are in before making irreversible decisions, but I’m not optimistic based on our history.

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    Leto says:

    @rikyrah: Quick question: how do any active duty (AD) military personnel have medical debt, when all of their medical care is provided via the military? Same thing for their families. Understand about vets, but AD personnel?

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Quinerly: This kind of story convinces me that Putin’s social media shop is screwing with the liberals to divide us. Again. Can we remind them of the fake debates that Putin fomented in 2016? Haven’t we developed a little resistance to this stuff?

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    Baud says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: No. Putin owned us in 2016 and he owns us today.

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    Weaselone says:

    It’s also a weird Hill for so many media people to die on. Trump put them in pens and directed his crowds to heckle them. Some of them had to be escorted from his rallies by security for there own safety. He daily calls their actual reporting fake news. In the Comey memos, Comey exposed the “joke” about locking a few of them up to bring them in line and they do nothing. Yet Chelsea goes, “actually, I didn’t get Keratin treatment for my hair, please correct,” and the media’s like “we have been pushed far enough, today we make our stand. We will not yield another inch.” I mean yes, it’s the SSDD thing regarding how the press treats liberal and conservative comments, but still

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    WereBear says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: She is a favorite of mine!

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    MomSense says:


    I think she posted the ones she admitted to months ago and apologized for already. If she says she didn’t post the ones that are being discussed now, I have no reason to doubt her. Those posts have no comments which I find very odd. It’s being investigated and I think she’s earned the benefit of the doubt and patience while this gets sorted.

    I’m also calling BS on Greenwald who has been so vile in his attacks on Imani Gandy (I haven’t forgotten the Obama could rape a nun comment) and so many others who have said and written horrible things and are never called on them.

    Also Joan Walsh was the first to publish Joy, outside of Joy’s own blog, and said that she followed Joy’s writings at that time very closely. She never saw the posts that are now in question.

    This seems like just the kind of Russian fuckery assisted by the Greenwald/assange/Snowden cohort that we were dealing with throughout the 2016 election.

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    Jeffro says:

    trying frantically to remember whether America had agreed on any kind of safe word before the election.

    I’m dyin’ here, Ms. Petri…

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    Jeffro says:

    @Baud: @satby:

    Earlier this month, Jesse Kelly, a writer for the mainstream conservative website The Federalist, wrote that Americans on the left and right can’t get along anymore, that domestic unrest could be coming, and that the best alternative course would be to just split the country up.

    “We’re just not on the same page on anything anymore. Rather that the constant fighting and before it gets really nasty, I think we should just go our separate ways,” Kelly told NPR.

    Wait…I bet I can translate that request into something much simpler…hmm…how about, “I Want My White Male Privilege Back!”?

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    sherparick1 says:

    @MattF: Hewitt is a grifter in the Right-Wing Industrial Infotainment Complex. What he is doing is a “shout-out” to The Donald to “call me” (and I will get drenched with attention and my profile raised and more $$$$ – to hell with the country.)

    I will say this about The Donald, he apparently put the Koreas saw themselves as about to become road kill in The Donald reality show. Somehow they are going to do a deal, even if it leaves South Korea in a dangerous subordination to Kim and the North and get the Americans out of Korea. Japan will really have to think about creating its own nuclear deterrent. Ditto Australia and Vietnam. For those who wonder why the U.S. still has a Great Power position in the Western Pacific going on 73 years since the end of WWII, Trump’s acts and language and desire for “personal wins” over the the interests as a “Great Power” appear to be having benefits. Of course, how the American withdrawal from the Western Pacific and Asia will play out in the medium and long term may be another story.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @WereBear: Her name rang a bell in the hollow confines known as my memory but that was all. Reading of her actual life and the times she lived in left me a little bit awestruck.

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    B.B.A. says:

    “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.”

    This doesn’t need to go on forever, it just needs to go on as long as the 2020 election stays close enough to steal. I can’t conceive of anything that would make Il Douche resign, or anything that would make Republicans turn on him.

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    Kay says:

    11m11 minutes ago
    Father Conroy told the NYT the speaker’s office complained about his prayer about tax laws last year – and Ryan later told him to “stay out of politics”

    Guffaw. Is there anything funnier than the holier than thou phony telling someone else to keep religion out of politics? I’ll keep this in mind in November Paul Ryan is conducting conservative political campaigns in churches.

    The priest’s criticism landed- it pissed Ryan off because it’s central to Paul Ryan’s ego that he wear a halo. Petty and nasty, as usual.

    Can you imagine the screeching from the free speech defenders on the Right if Pelosi had fired a religious person for a statement invoking abortion? Christ, I could hear it from here. She’d have to reverse.

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    Kay says:


    I’m waiting to judge because I don’t understand the “hacking” analysis I read. Like- it’s Greek to me. They lost me at “mirroring” and that stuff bores me- I rely on experts – I don’t want to learn it :)

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    chopper says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    doesn’t he have any staff to delegate to? i mean i know he’s a shitbag but still.

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    Kay says:

    Paul Ryan objects to icky, dirty politics being INJECTED into religion. It’s almost like he believes there’s a kind of..seperation between church and state. But only on plutocrat tax policy. Filthy LUCRE must be cordoned off from his intrinsic goodness!

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    Kay says:


    I’m reading that Grant book. It’s taking forever, I might add. It’s kind of refreshing how Grant drew such clear lines. They were traitors. He used the word again and again. He had no fucking patience with their arguments.

    It’s really interesting, where he comes to the question. He was military so to HIM “The United States” had spilt blood for these confederate states, therefore earned them. He didn’t recognize the claim of sovereignty. These US soldiers were his contemporaries. It was personal.

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    Kathleen says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Thank you so very much. Worth the read indeed. How little things have changed in many ways. I see the New York Slimes’ stellar history of nasty racism can be added to its history of Fascist Fluffing. Same as it ever was. Glad to see Ida is getting respect due to her and kudos to the young AA women who hsve picked up Ida’s torch.

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    rikyrah says:


    think it’s a perfect way to silence one of the best critics of the trump administration who happens to also be one of the best journalists covering the Russian interference in our elections. Bonus creation of more division among the Democrats/ lefties just in time for the midterms.


    I believe Joy.

    It’s a setup, and folks always falling for the banana in the tailpipe.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Baud: Yet one more piece about the poor beleagured Nazi Klansmen. I guess if we didn’t push back they would be happy? Or should we just let them kill us?

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    Jeffro says:


    Paul Ryan objects to icky, dirty politics being INJECTED into religion. It’s almost like he believes there’s a kind of..seperation between church and state. But only on plutocrat tax policy. Filthy LUCRE must be cordoned off from his intrinsic goodness!

    He fired the chaplain for being a heretic to Ryan’s religion/god: pure, uncut Randism.

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    Kathleen says:

    @MomSense: It’s a planned and targeted psy ops. Expect more to come for those who habe opposef Bernie. Rachel and remainder of AMess NBC are safe. Has Rachel publicly defended her does anyone know?

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    Kathleen says:

    @rikyrah: She’s been det up no doubt. Joseph Cannonfire ( wrote that some group hacked and altered documents in a foreign country and Cambridge Analytics was involved. On my phone so links impossible. He contends this is the work of Bernie cult and has some good documentsyion to support all his claims.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @BruceFromOhio: There’s been a lot of speculation that Kim Jong-un’s sister is responsible for the latest charm offensive. Speculation, because we really just don’t know what’s going on in NK when the cameras aren’t running. The DPRK has done this sort of thing before, though this one certainly does seem much more grandiose. Giving up their nukes though? Not gonna happen.

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    dww44 says:

    @rikyrah: She also has another Democrat whose name is also Stacey running against her in the Dem primary. The latter came down to this part of the state a couple of weeks ago and secured endorsements from several Democratic politicians at the local levels. She has been running ads longer than Abrams whose first ad I saw this morning. Interestingly both ran ads about education and access to it. Honestly, I’d be happy with either of these women running against any one of the Republican candidates who have a crowded primary field. The other Stacey also has a good story to tell.

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    Aleta says:

    @MJS:Didn’t he pardon that person? What is he talking to about wrt Comey in the tweet?

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    EmbraceYourInnerCrone says:

    Actually all of your healthcare and your family’s healthcare is not provided free of charge if you are on Active Duty, if you are lucky enough to live on or near a base that has it’s own hospital or clinic you may be able to get all your care for free. That was the case when I was stationed in Hawaii, in Guam and in Bremerton, Washington. However, if you are stationed somewhere that does not have it’s own military hospital you fall under Tricare Standard or Tricare Prime. When I was pregnant and stationed in Long Beach there was no military medical facility other than the base clinic. I saw a civilian OB who accepted Tricare and I had to pay for some of my and my daughter’s treatment. For example the delivery was mostly covered but my daughter needed a specialist in the delivery room and they did not accept Tricare so I had to pay that bill myself.
    If you need a specialist that is not available in the military hospital you will have to see a civilian doctor and probably pay a copay.

    So no the government does NOT pay for all your health care when you are active duty.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    @rikyrah: Burner phones

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    J R in WV says:


    In what feels like the distant past, but was probably only a few years ago, NK and SK developed an industrial site in a “free trade” zone within NK on the coast. It became very successful, employing many NK citizens at what were high pay rates for NK. Then someone decided it was showing too many truths that were too uncomfortable for the NK leader, and that ended somewhat violently.

    Obviously, for SK to help NK as Germany helped (and still helps) the former East Germany, will require a delicate dance along a fine line between actual assistance and telling everyone that the natural talents of NK are being encouraged and allowed to flourish without the oppression of the hated North Americans, or some other bogeyman who has kept the NKs down these many years.

    Because of course the mighty and intelligent leaders of NK were NOT responsible for the woe of NK, the starvation, the lack of personal advancement and comfort. No, no, no. That’s why the first joint development failed, it was too obvious why and how improvement was possible, and why improvement was impossible w/o the SK aid.

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    Trump’s treason is Watergate on acid, and hearing his rant yesterday was tantamount to eavesdropping on Nixon’s conversations with the White House portraits.

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    J R in WV says:


    When I was a sailor, and my ship was in the yards for overhaul in MS, the nearest military medical facilities were in Biloxi at Keesler AFB, quite a ways from the yards in Pascagoula.

    After work one day, heading home, I was on a bicycle riding in a thinderstorm, when a sports car coming the other direction turned left across my lane right into me. I tried to go up over the car, but it caught my legs, as things happened much faster than you can react, and first I landed on the hood, which split my scalp quite open, and then I landed on the street, in enough water to drown if I hadn’t come to quickly, and people hadn’t come to my aid.

    I was taken to the local hospital, where many X-rays were taken. They wouldn’t touch my scalp wound until they were sure there wasn’t a skull fracture, which meant a lot of bloody water all over me, the gurney, the floor, when my wife showed up.

    I was never billed a cent for medical care. Wife did have to drive over to Keesler for her routine medical care, but we didn’t pay for that either. I’m thinking it may have been different back then, or the circumstances were that the Navy had an agreement with the Pascagoula hospital for ER services? People do get hurt in shipyards!

    I don’t recall hearing anything about Tricare or anything similar back in the days when I was active, in the very early ’70s.

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    @J R in WV: Ouch! That sounds.. painful!
    Glad you are still around to tell the tale.

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    EmbraceYourInnerCrone says:

    @J R in WV – I’m not sure when it changed (it was called CHAMPUS when I first enlisted I think) , I didn’t join the Navy until 1980 and my daughter was born in 94. To be fair, most of our bills were covered and the few that were not amounted to probably a few hundred dollars although I don’t remember honestly. Tricare’s not bad most of the time.

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