Breaking News: There Appears To Be An Assault On The Saudi Royal Palace Going On!

At this point it is unclear if this is a coup attempt or something related to Crown Prince Muhammed bin Salman’s purge from last November or something else entirely. Moreover, as far as I can tell it isn’t being covered by any of the western news stations or platforms. I’ve just checked CNN, MSNBC, BBC, and Fox – no one is covering this. Neither are their social media feeds.

I honestly have no idea what is actually happening as none of the news media outlets we’d expect to be covering this are.

I’ll update if more information becomes available.

The Jerusalem Post has this brief report:

Gunfire and explosions have been reported outside the home of the Saudi king in Riyadh, the country’s capital. Sources on Twitter have posted photos and videos of the situation and have said that the gunfire is part of a coup attempt. The king has reportedly been evacuated.

The Jerusalem Post has not been able to independently verify these claims.

This is a developing story.

Open thread!

145 replies
  1. 1

    This is the smartest take I’ve seen from a Middle East expert.

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    Baud says:

    So the Revolution will not be televised?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That’s pretty much what I wrote.

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    trollhattan says:

    Sounds menacing. Fundys upset that women get to go to the movies?

    Always wondered how things would turn out if strict Islamists got control of the Saudi arsenal. Here’s hoping we don’t find out.

    BBC has nuttin’.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: Periscope!

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    Mary G says:

    Says a lot about freedom of the press in Saudi Arabia – no one there to cover it – it never happened.

    Irresponsible speculation leads me to conjecture that one or more than one of the princes MSB had locked up in the Ritz Carlton isn’t taking it lying down.

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    Duane says:

    Thanks for the usual great job of keeping us informed. I constantly learn things here first.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    There’s something happening here.

    What it is ain’t exactly clear.

    You know, for what it’s worth.

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    Baud says:

    @Mary G:

    Irresponsible speculation leads me to conjecture 

    that Hillary is responsible. /NYT

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    bystander says:

    I had heard Twitler referred to Sessions as Mr. Magoo, but I hadn’t heard he referred to Rosenstein as Mr. Peepers.

    I found this out when I turned on MSNBC to see if they might suspend broadcasting psoriasis medications for news, but, alas, no.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I know a whole lot about the Kingdom and none of the usual suspects – news media outlets or on social media – seem to have either any information at all or any idea what is going on.

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    Roger Moore says:

    Isn’t it such a great idea to sell this country nuclear technology without all the usual anti-proliferation safeguards? No risk of anything there falling into the wrong hands!

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    germy says:

    Jared!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    Tom says:

    It would be nice if one of the outcomes were the disclosure that Jared has illegally shared top secret US information with the Young Prince, leading to Jared’s conviction on charges of treason. (I’d settle for a lesser crime as long as it leads to life in prison without the possibility of parole).

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    Dman says:

    @margheritamvs

    Reports is a drone being shot down
    No coup attempt in Riyadh. A toy drone/plane got too close too the King’s palace and was shot down. #SaudiArabia #Riyadh

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    Mandalay says:

    A WSJ reporter either has a remarkable scoop or made a complete ass of herself:

    No coup attempt in Riyadh. A toy drone/plane got too close too the King’s palace and was shot down.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Tom:

    I’d settle for a lesser crime as long as it leads to life in prison without the possibility of parole

    Unfortunately, it’s going to have to be a state crime rather than a federal one to make it without possibility of pardon.

  21. 21

    “Where is Jared Kushner? He’ll know what to do”.

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    Baud says:

    And I was in the mood for a coup. :-(

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    Tokyokie says:

    I figured when MSB got the tacit approval of Kushner, and, by extension, der Trumpenführer, to pull his power move a few months back, something like this would occur. MSB mistook being in the good graces of the shitheels in the White House meant they’d have his back, and they don’t believe in having anybody’s back. Since he turned the Ritz Carlton into a prison for his family members, when I’ve seen MSB referred to as the country’s future king or some such, I’ve thought to myself, “If he lives that long.” Making useless allies doesn’t negate making powerful enemies.

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    satby says:

    Even Al-Jazeera doesn’t have any breaking news on it up yet.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Not even Al Jazeera seems to know anything…nothing about this on their feed.

    Replay of ’79 and the Siege of Mecca, as far as the coverage goes?

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    kattails says:

    @Roger Moore: Damn. I was just going to say to Tom “see you and raise you 50 years”.

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    WSJ reporter announces Saudi Party Line:

    Margherita Stancati Verified account @margheritamvs
    No coup attempt in Riyadh. A toy drone/plane got too close too the King’s palace and was shot down. #SaudiArabia #Riyadh

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    We have an actual citing of the current First Lady smiling a real smile in public. As a result of something President Obama has said to her. Executive time is going to be ugly!

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Mary G:

    Irresponsible speculation leads me to conjecture that one or more than one of the princes MSB had locked up in the Ritz Carlton isn’t taking it lying down.

    Seems the likeliest cause to me, although who knows; there are literally thousands of “princes” plus clerics, military, and foreign agents. It’s not good guys vs. bad guys – with the Saudis they are all bad. We’ll just have to find out who is the worse guys and who is the somewhat less bad guys.

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    Josie says:

    @Dman: It sounded like a lot of shooting on that video to take down one toy drone.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    As a result of something President Obama has said to her.

    “You deserve better.”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Dman:

    Well, that de-escalated quickly!

  34. 34
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @No Drought No More: It’s Saturday. He’s shomer shabbot. So he’s out of the loop.

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Right. What am I going to do for the rest of the day now?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’ve seen the clips. And listened with sound on. That’s a lot of sustained automatic rifle fire to respond to a toy drone.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I can’t believe Saudi officials would lie.

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    Mary G says:

    Communication lesson from a young master:

    Kids vs the NRA this November. #USAoverNRA pic.twitter.com/xVxu3N5VHS— David Hogg (@davidhogg111) April 21, 2018

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    germy says:

    @Adam L Silverman: We’ve got the actual dialogue:

    Obama: “So which secret service guy is hittin’ it?

    Melania: “Stop it. That’s not…”

    Obama: “Rodney?”

    Melania: “Rodney.”

    (My friend Joe via text message just now.) 😂😂 pic.twitter.com/3xKKrkQV1o— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) April 21, 2018

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    Mike in NC says:

    The important question is who has control of that glowing orb that Trump and all the Saudis were touching?

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    Corner Stone says:

    Are we supposed to believe this was really due to a fucking toy drone? Either a)the House of Saud is scared shitless or b)something nasty went down and the House of Saud is scared shitless.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Mike in NC:

    You’ll have to wait and see in Disney™’s Marvel™’s Cinematic Universe™’s Avengers™: Infinity War™!

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    @Roger Moore: I’ve been trying to decide what Trump fate that’s within the realm of the possible would satisfy me. I concluded I could accept an end like Nixon’s. Multiple associates go to jail, including in Trump’s case family members. He escapes with resignation but is a social outcast. No TV, etc.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    No TV

    I like how you think, but even inmates get TV privileges.

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    sukabi says:

    @Josie: they were trained by the same folks who train our cops. Expend all your ammo, attempt a clean up, make a statement.

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    germy says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    He escapes with resignation but is a social outcast.

    I remember in his later years, Nixon was slowly transforming into “elder statesman” status, being asked his opinion by various conservative newscasters. If he’d lived long enough, Fox News would have made him a full time commenter.

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    Fair Economist says:

    So the king evacuated to a military base because of a toy drone? Methinks somebody can make money selling bridges to people who believe that.

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    @Chyron HR: I was thinking along the line of no TV appearances for him, which I think he’d find painful but if he’s an inmate, that’s good too. Maybe twitter could ban his account.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Corner Stone: Way too much ado about nothing. Something is not passing the smell test.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I see the “the realm of the possible” there, but we have to face facts that at some point we have to extract serious penalties or they will just continue on. Nixon begat all the ratfuckers that led to Reagan/Iran-Contra to GHWB to GWB + Cheney and now to Trump. Trump does not feel shame, only resentment. Lots of personal pain and consequence is the only answer.

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    @germy: Trump is 71 so he won’t have the same kind of time Nixon did. OTOH, Fox didn’t exist when Nixon resigned, so their presence could shorten the time required for the elder statesman transformation.

    I do want to see Ivanka in an orange jumpsuit, able to wash her hair only every few days.

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    @Corner Stone: I hope that can happen while I’m still alive to enjoy it.

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    satby says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Nixon begat all the ratfuckers that led to Reagan/Iran-Contra to GHWB to GWB + Cheney and now to Trump. Trump does not feel shame, only resentment. Lots of personal pain and consequence is the only answer.

    Absolutely. The next generation of ratfuckers is being trained now. Time to disrupt the heritage of greed, corruption and hate before it continues.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    Silverman rocks! Even Juan Cole at Informed Comment isn’t on this! This is why I read Balloon Juice. Well, that and the pet porn.

  56. 56
    satby says:

    @Baud: go back to the morning thread and read the answer I gave you hours later? That should kill about four seconds ☺

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    Corner Stone says:

    @The Midnight Lurker:

    Well, that and the pet porn.

    It’s OK to be feeling the things you’re feeling. All of that is perfectly natural. Everyone goes through something similar. But, umm, I think we may need to have a talk about a few things…

  58. 58

    @The Midnight Lurker: Silverman is unbelievably plugged in. Between him and Cheryl, we are bunch of well informed jackals.

    ETA: I add Anderson on health insurance as someone who knows what’s what and tells us.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Chyron HR:

    but even inmates get TV privileges.

    Bet they don’t get the channel clicker.

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    RandomMonster says:

    @germy:

    Melania: I just call him Rod.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Fair Economist:
    I’ve got a bunch of bridges that I can let go cheap.
    And I’d bet we’d need a bunch, considering who would believe that bullshit.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Has that ginormous shipment of US-made weaponry Trump sold the Saudis arrived yet? What could possibly go wrong?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    I’ve been trying to decide what Trump fate that’s within the realm of the possible would satisfy me.

    My major demand is some end to the whole thing that makes Trump’s guilt clear cut. That could be an actual impeachment and trial, it could be a prosecution after he leaves office, or it could be the whole corrupt gang fleeing into exile before any of that happens. But I want it to be impossible for anyone with any ability to think for themselves to see Trump and gang as anything but a bunch of criminals and the rest of the Republican establishment as having enabled their crimes. Otherwise, they’ll just try the same thing again with a more competent cast.

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    rikyrah says:

    A drone?😒😒
    We’re supposed to buy that?

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    J R in WV says:

    Whoever made that video up top has big stones!!! That was a lot of shooting, and it got closer and closer, and he kept shooting video. Not me, dudes. I’m so not a war photographer. Flowers, whales, landscapes, birds, that kind of stuff. No riots, no gunfire, no battles with revolutionary guards. Nope.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    I’ve been trying to decide what Trump fate that’s within the realm of the possible would satisfy me.

    They say that the first priority of a candidate is to get elected. B/c if you can’t govern, then you can’t get your agenda enacted. But even before that priority, is to ensure that the system is democratic. B/c without a democratic system, you’ll never get elected.

    This is an existential moment for our democracy. We should be demanding prison time for every perp, including the Head Preznit. And if that produces a constitutional crisis, so be it. B/c better a crisis now, when our side is energized and angry, than 20yr from now, when we’re back to trying to live our lives, get our jobs done, and those fuckers take away our democracy and our freedoms with it. So I’m with @Roger Moore: it’s gotta be clear that they conspired to take away our democracy, and it’s gotta be clear that it was the Rethugs, not just Shitmidas and his family.

    We need it all to come out. All this moral embezzlement has to come out, so we can finally decide what we are, out in the open — a republic, or a banana republic.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):
    I have to 👏👏👏👏
    For this comment.
    We get a lot of good info with great analysis here at BJ.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Roger Moore:

    My major demand is some end to the whole thing that makes Trump’s guilt clear cut.

    My correction to your major demand is a minor but important addition:

    My major demand is some end to the whole thing that makes Trump’s, and the Republican’s, guilt clear cut.

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    PIGL says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Sing tirraloo, sing tirralay,
    The Wuggly Ump [is] far away…

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    currants says:

    Al Jazeerah still says it was security forces firing on a drone….

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    Librarian says:

    Just checked CNN and Msnbc, nothing about SA.

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    Baud says:

    @RandomMonster: Rod has big hands.

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    Tom says:

    @J R in WV: This times 1,000.

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    Starfish says:

    Are the 4channers already trying to insert fake leaders into this coup? I am seeing a couple of people being accused, but I don’t trust the people doing the accusing.

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    germy says:

    @rikyrah: A few threads ago you mentioned you were following Black Lightning. Here’s something I just realized: Lady Eve was played by the great Jill Scott! I didn’t recognize her or make the connection until my wife pointed it out to me.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Reuters:

    RIYADH (Reuters) – Saudi Arabian security forces shot down a toy drone in the capital Riyadh on Saturday, a senior Saudi official and the state news agency said, after videos were posted online showing gunfire in a neighborhood where a royal palace is located.

    A spokesman for the Riyadh police said forces at a checkpoint in the Khozama district identified the drone and “dealt with it according to their orders”, state news said without specifying if there were any injuries or damage.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @RandomMonster:

    Melania: I just call him Rod.

    “Even though his name is actually Gerald.”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Well, that de-escalated quickly!

    Lawl. This is why you’re a top 500 poster here.

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    germy says:

    Verne Troyer has died. He was 49.

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    sharl says:

    The NYT’s Tom Friedman is my go-to expert for all things KSA; I’ll await his definitive evaluation of the situation, thankyouverymuch.

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    @sharl: He has impeccable sources. Cab drivers in Bangalore know everything.

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    rikyrah says:

    @germy:
    Speaking of Black Lightning..
    They just finished their first season.
    They got renewed, so if you need a show to binge watch, I think you might like it.
    I love Black Lightning. Just trying to spread the word about it.😄

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    fuzz says:

    @germy:

    Weren’t his family calling the police worried about him a few days ago?

    Also on KSA, even if it was a coup the people or person who replaced the new guy would be from the same extended family in all likelihood, I don’t think much would change at all.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    I’ve been busy all day — any Lily news?

    Also, since I don’t spend any time thinking about Melania, it surprises me that I feel relief at seeing her really smile. It is a reflection of what a mensch Obama is, that he got that smile out of her.

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    Mary G says:

    @sharl: I was all indignant until I realized you were joking. You were joking, weren’t you?

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    p.a. says:

    I have it on rock solid info that it was one of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear weaponized drones. ISIS finally found the stockpile he hid in the 30 minute intervals our spy satellites were out of range* and sent it to S.A.

    *A wingnut relative (cousin, by blood not marriage unfortunately) actually made this argument. His own brother told him to STFU. Same person tried to argue with me that a lime is an unripe lemon. I generally try not to call someone 15 years my senior a fucking moron, but in this case I failed.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’ve seen the clips. And listened with sound on. That’s a lot of sustained automatic rifle fire to respond to a toy drone.

    I was at the library all afternoon, so had sound muted. Will try to remember to listen to it later this evening.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Don’t you have to have been a statesman of some type before you can be an elder one? Elder grifter doesn’t carry the same clout.

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    Anotherlurker says:

    @Fair Economist: Remember, the Saudis are fundie Muslim Religious, so that will buy into nonsense .
    Purchaseing a bridge is not unlikely.

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    sharl says:

    @Mary G: Yeah, it was snark; hanging around irony tweeps so often has ruined me for serious discourse, I think.

    But I did find Friedman’s November post-MBS exercise in literary ass-kissing comical (or maybe tragicomical). And Isaac Chotiner’s professionally executed interview/foot-shooting of Friedman brought out some classic TF dancing, so there was at least that.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Lawl. This is why you’re a top 500 poster here.

    I would be in the top 487, but look at the competion here!

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @rikyrah:

    Thank you for posting that, Rikyrah. That was so sweet and touching. I’ve already shared it with others.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    I’ve been busy all day — any Lily news?

    Have been hoping to see an update, but nothing so far as far as I know. I’m going to cling to the old wisdom that no news is good news.

    Also, since I don’t spend any time thinking about Melania, it surprises me that I feel relief at seeing her really smile. It is a reflection of what a mensch Obama is, that he got that smile out of her.

    I know many, if not most, BJ posters are quick to slag Melania because she went along with the birther shit. And maybe it’s deserved. But I can’t help thinking that she’s been in what must have seemed an impossible situation for most of her married life. The Obamas seem genuinely fond of her, and I tend to trust their judgement. Happy to see an authentic smile from her, and I wish her many more smiley moments.

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    RandomMonster says:

    @Baud: Big hands I know you’re the one.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    So I am now fully awake after yesterday’s surgery, as compos mentis as I ever get & minus one gallbladder. Don’t recall a lot of yesterday, though. About to enjoy a gourmet meal of dry toast & possibly some jello. Yum 😒

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    Jeffro says:

    @Chet Murthy: how about just a forced march across the continental United States, being tarred and feathered all the while ?

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    sharl says:

    @Anotherlurker: Remember, the Saudis are fundie Muslim Religious, so that will buy into nonsense.

    I hope you are not referring to the Wahhabi folks, because Crown Prince Muhammed bin Salman informed The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg that he had never heard of ’em, and besides, they don’t exist anyway:

    Goldberg: Isn’t it true, though, that after 1979, but before 1979 as well, the more conservative factions in Saudi Arabia were taking oil money and using it to export a more intolerant, extremist version of Islam, Wahhabist ideology, which could be understood as a kind of companion ideology to Muslim Brotherhood thinking?

    MbS: First of all, this Wahhabism—please define it for us. We’re not familiar with it. We don’t know about it.

    Goldberg: What do you mean you don’t know about it?

    MbS: What is Wahhabism?

    Goldberg: You’re the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. You know what Wahhabism is.

    MbS: No one can define this Wahhabism.

    Goldberg: It’s a movement founded by Ibn abd al-Wahhab in the 1700s, very fundamentalist in nature, an austere Salafist-style interpretation—

    MbS: No one can define Wahhabism. There is no Wahhabism. We don’t believe we have Wahhabism. We believe we have, in Saudi Arabia, Sunni and Shiite. We believe we have within Sunni Islam four schools of thought, and we have the ulema [the religious authorities] and the Board of Fatwas [which issues religious rulings]. Yes, in Saudi Arabia it’s clear that our laws are coming from Islam and the Quran, but we have the four schools—Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafi’i, Maliki—and they argue about interpretation.

    In summary: LOL.

    Outside of MbS’s absurd denials, this earlier op-ed in Al-Jazeera seems to do a good job of explaining what kind of bind MbS is in with his efforts at reform when going up against the Wahhabists and other politically powerful reactionary forces.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Gelfling 545:

    May your complete recovery be swift and comfortable. Enjoy the feast of toast and Jell-O.

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    Mary G says:

    @sharl: Wow, he really looks like an idiot in that Chotiner piece, and the reply/rebuttal he sent about Yemen was horrendous. I hadn’t seen it before, and he did get fenestrated, which I enjoyed. I read Daniel Larison, who wrote“Friedman’s Love Letter to a War Criminal,” which is scathing:

    Sometimes newspapers publish credulous fluff pieces about their subjects, but Tom Friedman leaves them all in the dust with his encomium to Mohammed bin Salman (MBS):

    The UN, Oxfam, MSF, and the kitchen sink have all been screaming for three years now that Yemen is on the brink of mass starvation, not to mention the cholera and dysentery, and it still gets ignored. Friedman could do so much good for them with his audience, and he just blows it off with it’s all “villains and victims.”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    G had to come over and take the phone out my hand to look at that picture because he didn’t believe me that she had an actual smile on her face.

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @Gelfling 545: Wow, you got an overnight stay? When mine went code red I was in a remote part of CO; longest hour of my life getting to the tiny 29 bed hospital. I told the surgeon that he could take it out with a rusty penknife, just get it out! I was on my way 6 hours later, maybe because I was 39 and otherwise in good health. A bad gall bladder can be miserable; I likened it to a spinning ball of white hit magma embedded with giant fish hooks. I hope you recover quickly and completely!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    I do want to see Ivanka in an orange jumpsuit, able to wash her hair only every few days.

    And with her roots showing. Please, like anyone thought she was a natural blonde.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Assume by now you have seen John’s update, one post over.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    And with her roots showing. Please, like anyone thought she was a natural blonde.

    Meow!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    You must have missed the late-night hair discussion. It was pretty epic.

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    Immanentize says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The Obamas seem genuinely fond of [Melania], and I tend to trust their judgement. Happy to see an authentic smile from her, and I wish her many more smiley moments.

    This describes how I see it perfectly. Especially about the Obamas. Michelle has spoken eloquently about how hard it is to be a White House inmate. Even if it is an attempt by them to lighten Melania’s load just a bit — good for them.

    And I really don’t like how people (men) sexualize Melania and get all rapey about her.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Midnight Lurker: Juan Cole is good people!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    But I can’t help thinking that she’s [Melania] been in what must have seemed an impossible situation for most of her married life.

    You know what, she’s a big girl, and she signed up for this gig.

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    rikyrah says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Don’t give a Phuck about the trophy wife birther.😠😠

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’m not going to make moral judgments about being a Slovenian escort who got involved with the Russian mob, but I’ll bet she’s a much more intelligent and interesting person than her husband.

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    germy says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    You know what, she’s a big girl, and she signed up for this gig.

    She was “the other woman” during drumpf’s second marriage. Did she think he’d be faithful to her when she became #3?

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    @Gelfling 545: Congrats! Enjoy those delicacies!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy:

    She was one of “the other woman” during drumpf’s second marriage.

    Fixed it for you!

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    patrick II says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I get that people here don’t like Melania, but I don’t particularly dislike her either. She is from a middle class family, not particularly well educated, and like many attractive women she married for money. It happens all of the time. She expected to put up with Donald, live in a nice place, raise her kid, and look good on her husbands elbow. She couldn’t have expected to be first lady. She clearly admires the Obamas, and probably wishes she could be more like Michelle, which says something about her. But her background and her husband make that an impossible task.
    I don’t have bad wishes for her.

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    ruemara says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): not to be maudlin but my gut says either natural causes or very unnatural except due to treason. My gut’s quite accurate, strangely.

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    ruemara says:

    @patrick II:
    She’s not innocent. So stop treating her like there’s something nice about her. Jesus, barely pretty weasel in hot pants & folks bend over backwards to reason out why she’s sympathetic. She’s a nasty birther who could’ve spoken up at any time about the treasonous garbage bag she cuddles at night. Just stop it.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I just watched the footage with the sound on. You’re right — way too much fire for a “toy drone”. And too sporadic. And yes, I’m a huge fan of Dr. Cole.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Gelfling 545: wife had the gall bladder out a couple of years ago. After feeling bad for a long, long time, she felt almost 100% when she woke up for surgery. Hope your recovery is equally speedy!

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @sharl: I can’t wait either for the “Mustache of Understanding’s” take on this. The problem is, we have to wait “about another six months.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Midnight Lurker: I know what the official Saudi line is. I also know there’s speculation on Saudi and other social media from the region that this was an attempt by Muhammed bin Nayef, who had been crown prince until pushed out by his much younger nephew, to reassert control. Whether this was bin Nayef or not, I think the drone story is a very thin cover. I’m also not sure we’ll ever know what really happened.

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    germy says:

    Stunning anecdote in the NYT: Cohen apologized to Melanie for the pain HE caused her for paying off Stormy Daniels.

    Shouldn’t someone else be apologizing?

    pic.twitter.com/WWM8h3l0n2— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) April 20, 2018

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    germy says:

    @patrick II:

    I don’t particularly dislike her either.

    There’s a clip on youtube of her on The View, arguing that Obama may not be an American citizen. She questions the authenticity of the (recently released) birth certificate.

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    @Gin & Tonic:

    You know what, she’s a big girl, and she signed up for this gig.

    Yep. I don’t look down on her for the decision, but this is the deal she made.

    @germy:

    Did she think he’d be faithful to her when she became #3?

    I seriously doubt it. I would be surprised if she doesn’t take his infidelity as assumed. Whatever she’s discontent with, I don’t think it’s that. Then again, supposedly Trump was nervous about the pee tape upsetting her.

    @rikyrah:

    Don’t give a Phuck about the trophy wife birther.

    While I’m mostly sure she was saying it to play the role she’s paid for, I’m not sure that makes it any better. If you peddle horrible racist bullshit, you peddle horrible racist bullshit no matter what your motivation.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Same as the old days — anytime you’re trying to get a look at the House of Saud, it’s always “though a glass, and darkly.”

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    germy says:

    @ruemara:

    the treasonous garbage bag she cuddles at night.

    Facts not in evidence. Separate bedrooms, according to what drumpf told Stormy.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @ruemara:

    The main thing I think about Melania is that she’s in way over her head. She probably never even imagined she would end up sitting with the Obamas at government functions, so she could say whatever she wanted about them on teevee. She does seem to genuinely admire Michelle Obama and wants to be like her, to the point of plagiarizing her.

    That’s when I bother to think about Melania at all, though. She’s such small potatoes compared to the rest of the shitstorm that I rarely do.

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    EBT says:

    @patrick II: She shacked up with a shithead and goes along with it. Staying with a shitty person (and shitty person is so beyond generous to donnie) when you have the means to leave, which unless she’s a bravta tool, she absolutely does, is an active agreement of the means to get your own spoild ends.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Then again, supposedly Trump was nervous about the pee tape upsetting her.

    Trump was nervous about the pre-nup conditions. He doesn’t give a shit about her and never has. It’s his straight cash, homey.
    Before he milked being Pres…nope…he probably did not have the liquid assets to pay her off if they got divorced.

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    afanasia says:

    @EBT: She’s clearly no heroine, but she’s also married to a bully – that is exhausting, disorienting and humiliating, and bullies tend to get worse over time. My ex-husband was quite nice to me until I was 6 months pregnant. I’m sure she gets enough insults at home to satisfy all her critics. Tbe Obamas seem to have forgiven her for her part in the birther nastiness, and treat her kindly – they usually display good judgement.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Midnight Lurker: Yep.

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    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.] says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Have you ever met Juan Cole face to face? You two seem to move in similar circles. I discovered him sometime during the early days of the second Iraq war. He’s been a go-to source for over a decade for me when stuff happens in the middle east.

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    @Corner Stone:
    He fools around a lot. He knew he would continue to, and not be subtle. Melania knew. For the prenup to give her options to use adultery against him would require monumental stupidity on his-

    Point made.

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    Scamp Dog says:

    I have no trouble believing they’d do a lot of shooting trying to take down a drone. Hitting a flying target is tough, and drones are tiny. Not sure what to say about the reports of explosions, though.

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    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.] says:

    @Scamp Dog: eh, one of my personal theories is that it WAS an attack on the palace, using a drone. Other members of the blog probably know if it’s happened before, but a suicide-drone-bomb seems like a pretty logical step for asymmetric warfare on the less powerful side. I imagine that most head-of-state security services have a standing “shoot first, ask questions later” directive for unknown flying drones in security fraught regions.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]:

    eh, one of my personal theories is that it WAS an attack on the palace, using a drone. Other members of the blog probably know if it’s happened before, but a suicide-drone-bomb seems like a pretty logical step for asymmetric warfare on the less powerful side.

    IMO, it could also have been a low-tech Denial of Service (DDOS) attack. Just like leaving an empty suitcase in a restroom in Heathrow Airport. What is the reaction? What is the reaction time? And so forth.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @afanasia: Patty Hearst was sentenced to 7yr for her role in the SLA’s crimes. It seems like (a) if Melania has knowledge of Shitmidas’ crimes, that’s much graver than what Hearst did (on the -most- uncharitable judgment of Hearst), and (b) clearly Melania is under no compulsion other than greed, whereas there’s good reason to think that Hearst was under serious duress (or worse).

    I’m just sayin’: if we believe there was -any- basis for Hearst’s culpability (if we even believe it was a reasonable argument to make) then we ought to also believe that Melania is culpable.

    Yeah yeah she’s married to the man. That’s a business arrangement. She as much as said that, but shit, that -is- what it is.

    I didn’t start out in this position. But as I see my republic start to tremble and shake, I have less and less sympathy for people whose argument consists in “but she’s married to him” or “they’re his kids”, or whatever-the-fuck.

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    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.] says:

    @Corner Stone: Very possible. It all hinges on the source of the drone. 1) It could be idiocy and an over-reaction of the palace security. 2) It could also be meant as a trolling attack to strike at legitimacy. 3)It also could have been a drone attack like I suggested. 4)It also could have been a strike on the palace with people.

    All we have are a handful of press releases, and a couple of cellphone videos (I feel for the people who recorded, I imagine that S.A. security people will soon have words with them).

    I got way over my skis on posting my last comment. Shit happened in a country that is less opaque than North Korea, and more free than North Korea. As Adam said, we may never know the truth.

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    afanasia says:

    @Chet Murthy: She does have a child, and she seems devoted to him. It’s imaginable that her husband would demand shared custody if she left, out of spite if nothing else. I’d never leave a child in that man’s care, even for short amounts of time. She may be incredibly greedy as well, of course.
    I don’t think Ms. Hearst should have gone to prison & I don’t really see how her sentence supports the idea that spouses should be responsible for each others crimes, sans proof. There’s no sign that Mrs. Trump has been moneylaundering Russian loot in Azerbaijan. If paperwork emerges that supports her guilt, I will dutifully call for her head on a pike.

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    PIGL says:

    @Immanentize: agreed. She’s not responsible for the failure of America’s institutions, or America’s electorate.

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    No One You Know says:

    @Chyron HR: The remote is in the custody of the Crips, and only shows three channels, of which two show only cartoons.

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    Boomzilla says:

    @Ruckus:

    I think you’d be shocked to learn how many white prisoners are hardcore conservatives. Maybe you wouldn’t be. I was. I expected a bunch of very anti-government, left-leaning, if not left-bent, liberals. Not even close.

    The TV, if it showing news, is tuned to Fox. At least that was the case in the truly Red state that decided I needed to sit down for a bit and consider my evil ways.

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    BroD says:

    Hey Adam. I find it unsettling that this post seems to have been, as far as I could see, a bit of a nothing burger. I value Balloon Juice enough to think that maybe there should be a follow-up post surveying what really happened here.

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