Everybody hurts

I don’t know if Trump will fire Mueller but if he does, we can be certain of what the GOP Congress will do: frown, do nothing, and pretend they are planning something, which they will slow-walk and which will never come to fruition. We also know that David Brooks and his ilk will keep insisting that Graham and McCain are on the verge of some great patriotic action agains Trump, that Andrew Sullivan will say that the protests are so uncivil that they are as bad as Trump, that pundits of every stripe will remind us “there was no underlying crime”, that Ken Starr and conservative former DOJ/FBI officials will be all over the airways (and not just Fox) to tell us that Trump was well within his rights to do this, that it’s not as bad as what Clinton did, and so on.

So what can we do? Protest, of course, but I’d go farther and suggest something that I normally would not: hold every GOP office-holder, from dog catcher on up, accountable. Call the office, show up to public meetings, and let them know that you expect them, as members of the Republican party, to say and do something about the fact that the leader of their party does not respect the rule of law. I have a total of one elected Republican who represents me (my state Senator). I would normally never in a million years bug him about something like this because it doesn’t fall under his jurisdiction, but I’ll keep calling his office til I get satisfaction on this one.

This is a dick move, but it’s warranted. If Trump fires Mueller and the Republicans in Congress don’t do anything about it (which of course they won’t) it’s a party-wide failure to abide by the normal rules of a functioning democracy. And the entire party must pay the price.

Does anyone know of any good resources to allow people to find out if they are represented by Republicans at any level of government?






94 replies
  1. 1
    eemom says:

    So you’ve changed your mind that it doesn’t matter? Glad to hear it.

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    Doug! says:

    @eemom:

    I think I must have meant “it doesn’t matter” in a different way. I’ve always thought it mattered in terms of motivating people, which is what I’m saying here. Maybe I was too glib (don’t have much time these days).

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Prepare to be called a hysteric for speculating about Mueller being fired!

    Also, the League of Women Voters provides a one-stop shop to find your federal, state and local reps, but you’ll need your ZIP plus four code. If you don’t have the four-digit ZIP extension, you can get that here.

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    Redshift says:

    I have helped get rid of all of my GOP reps except the usurper squatting in the White House, and I don’t think I can get answers from him. But I approve of this plan.

    Someone (maybe on Twitter, can’t remember) was talking about pestering Flake, because although he’s not their rep, he’s visiting New Hampshire and stuff, so he ought to be listening to all of us.

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    Jeffro says:

    Has anyone thought of a good resource to help reassure our friends in Great Britain that, even though a hostile foreign power just carried out an assassination attempt (with nerve agents, no less) on its soil, and even thought our president* just congratulated that hostile foreign power’s dictator on his fraudulent joke of an “election, the majority of us here in the US would like to preserve the ‘special relationship’ between our two countries? That all is not yet lost?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Redshift: Here’s Flake’s brilliant plan to keep Trump from firing Mueller — begging!

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    Doug! says:

    @Jeffro:

    May is as bad as Trump

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Doug!: Odds are that she never raped anyone.

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    smintheus says:

    What works? Sit ins. It’s impossible to ignore sit ins; carry them on long enough, doesn’t matter how many groups of sitters are arrested, and the powerful always concede to the powerless. Has been true since the secessions of the plebs in the Roman republic; was proven effective over and over again during the Great Depression; and again in the ’60s.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    What a liar. Of course they can preempt the firing. Pass laws protecting the Special Counsel.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Redshift: Flake kills me…what is he doing? Does he really think the TrumGOP is going to turn on a dime and suddenly start electing “center-right”* Republicans like him? Not-(completely)-racist and Not-(completely)-Randian? Gimme a fucking break.

    Hey Jeff, there’s a reason no one’s clamoring for some center-right-cover-story dream party**…your party is off the deep end (on the right side) and the Dems are the center-center party.

    *in the same sense that McCain, Kasich, etc are all “center-right”, i.e., not obviously rabid but still have the virus
    ** except the Villagers, that is

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    Jeffro says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I know, right? Also better hair, can string words together to make sentences, etc.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Betty Cracker: That’s really smart – tell a narcissistic maniac things like “begging” and “please don’t go there”.

    Lemme pop over and see what Twitter Richard Nixon thinks of saying stuff like tha…whoa…yeah, pretty much what I thought (without even having to check).

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    @Betty Cracker: There’s a lot wrong with that tweet, but I think “No one wants that outcome” might actually be the wrongest part of it. There wouldn’t be a call for ITMFA hats if no one wanted the motherfucker impeached.

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    randy khan says:

    I am represented by zero Republicans below the President and VP – not locally, not on the county school board (officially nonpartisan but everybody knows), not in the state legislature, not in statewide office, not in Congress, not in the Senate. And my state went for HRC, too. It took a long time to get there.

    But I guess this means I have to call Mike Pence if Trump fires Mueller. That might be tricky.

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    eclare says:

    In a blue oasis in a red state, my rep is great, my senators are useless. I will call, but I have called so many times, with no effect.

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    dww44 says:

    @Doug!: And she doesn’t have a special relationship with Putin either. So, no, she’s not as bad as Trump. To be fair, no one is as bad as Trump.

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    moops says:

    It was more than a little frustrating to have most voices here at Balloon Juice mock me when I suggested Trump would manage to get within this distance of firing Mueller. That preparing for a protest action was silly.

    In my locale we will have to take to the streets, we have no reps to go through the dance of pretending they can be shamed. We will have to take to the streets and have the media minimize it and pundits criticize it.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @dww44:

    And she doesn’t have a special relationship with Putin either.

    Do you know this?

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    Betty Cracker: “Prepare to be called a hysteric for speculating about Mueller being fired!”

    Hair Furor is going to fire Mueller, it’s just a matter of when. No hysteria involved. Watching Trump in action is akin to watching an unattended toddler in a china shop playing with gas, matches and explosives.

    It’s gonna happen because, much like an unattended toddler, Hair Furor does what he wants.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Tonight was a good example against having open primaries.

    Dan Lipinski barely won the Dem primary tonight in Illinois.

    This is the district which has an actual Nazi/Holocust denier running as the republican candidate.

    Because of that, a number of Republicans crossed over and voted for the conservative Lipiniski and helped him beat the progressive candidate by a razor thin 1,400 votes.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    Flake, McCain, Graham, Collins, et al, talk a barely reasonable game, but they vote with the loons every damn time. Talk ain’t just cheap — it’s free. They can get back to me when put their votes where there pieholes are.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: How does the Nazi affect the Dem primary?

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    danielx says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    That will certainly influence the better angels of lord shortfingers’ nature. Oh wait….

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    dww44 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: LOL. Well, she doesn’t appear to have a “special” relationship that requires her to be fawningly obsequious when speaking of and to him.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: I disagree.

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    cokane says:

    If he does try to fire Mueller, it’ll be a pretty broad bloodletting though, because he’ll probably have to can Rosenstein first, then find someone who would fire Mueller and perhaps fire Sessions as well. And even then, the replacements might not fire Mueller, so it could be a Saturday Night Massacre or whatever the fuck the thing was with Nixon. Just saying it won’t happen with the flick of a wrist, and it will probably change things. Dunno if the Repubs in Congress will have any courage though, especially in an election year.

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    cokane says:

    @Hungry Joe: they arent really voting “with the loons” though. I mean, what has congress done since Trump took office? Tried to repeal Obamacare and cut taxes. That isn’t Trump’s agenda. This is their agenda. It always has been.

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    Calouste says:

    @Doug!: As Nick Clegg said, Boris Johnson is the shitgibbon with a dictionary. May is marginally better than Johnson, for example she doesn’t go around randomly insulting people.

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    Steeplejack says:

    I have to admit that my county government (Fairfax, Virginia) is pretty opaque to me. I’m pretty sure it’s safely Democratic, but occasionally in a restaurant or store I’ll see a copy of the Falls Church Weekly Blab or some such and be surprised to read about some blood-on-the-walls battle over a road bond or a storm-drain program.

    There must be local websites that cover this kind of stuff, but I haven’t found them. Guess I haven’t looked very hard.

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    As he pointed out, Republicans, disgusted with a Nazi in Their Party, crossed over to vote in the Democratic Party Primary. As a result, a Blue Dog won the Primary, ( because of the Republican votes), not the Progressive Democrat.

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    GregB says:

    Go to this website:

    http://www.FindaNazi.com

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    Jay says:

    @cokane:

    Trump can’t fire Meuller.

    Only Rosenstien has the legal authority to fire Meuller, and it has to be “for cause”, a very narrow set of defined legal improprieties, and it has to be supported by “findings” by the DOJ’s IG,

    Rosenstien can only be fired by the AG, but maybe not Sessions, because he recused himself from Treason Tribbles investigation and Everything Clinton, ( he crossed that line with McCabe’s firing, but the Party of Treason’s not doing anything about it).

    Rosenstien’s replacement would be the next ADA on the seniority list, and there’s no way he would try to fire Meuller. You have to go down the seniority list to #23 to find an ADA who might side with Treason Tribble.

    That’s a lot of promotions and firings, or mass firings, and would cause an even bigger shitstorm,

    and then, if Meuller “declines” to be “your fired”, it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court, and Meuller keeps working until then.

    They could however, “unfund” Meuller, but at this point in time, his team would probably keep working for free if needed and the Go Fund Me would be “yuuge”.

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    Wag says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    That is as close to a serious impeachment threat as you are likely to see from the gop. Actually better and stronger than I expected.

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    marcopolo says:

    So just checking in to say hi. Been busy tonight but I have followed the IL primary results. Disappointed in the Pritzker & Lipinski results but across the river in IL-12 the winning D got more votes in the primary (and there were more D than R votes overall in the primary) than the R incumbent.

    Representative Mike Bost, a Republican, and Brendan Kelly, a Democratic county prosecutor, will face off in November after each won his primary on Tuesday, according to The Associated Press.

    Kelly got 39,045 votes to Bost’s 30,960
    D voter turnout was 48,122 to R turnout of 37,044.

    This seat is going to flip in November. I will be driving across the river quite a bit to make sure that happens!

    Here’s the link to Kelly’s Act-Blue page for anyone who wants to throw him some coin.

    Have a great night everyone.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    My interpretation is that the Nazi was going to win the Republican primary anyway—and then presumably be crushed in the general—so some Republicans voted in the Dem primary to try to get the most palatable (i.e., conservative) candidate as the eventual winner.

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    eemom says:

    @Doug!:

    I’ve always thought it mattered in terms of motivating people, which is what I’m saying here.

    Um, it doesn’t matter only because of that. Because that particular dump by Dump on the rule of law at this point would be a fairly major step in the direction of possibly having no elections to get motivated for.

    @Hungry Joe:

    Flake, McCain, Graham, Collins, et al, talk a barely reasonable game, but they vote with the loons every damn time. Talk ain’t just cheap — it’s free. They can get back to me when put their votes where there pieholes are.

    Exactly, which is why this nonsense about calling republicans is what doesn’t matter.

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    cokane says:

    @Jay: Well said, though obviously I can’t co sign everything. I think the key thing, is Trump isn’t a total moron. He knows the public shitshow that would ensue and the effect it would have on the upcoming election, which would put him in an even worse jeopardy. If Mueller’s getting fired, it’s going to happen after the election, and Trump will probably have some period of cleaning out the DOJ a bit prior to that.

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    frosty says:

    @Steeplejack: I think it’s the Weekly Blab that covers this stuff. I recently found a big deal in my borough because it’s been on yard signs. Come to find out the local paper has been covering all the backstory. Time to subscribe.

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    eemom says:

    @Steeplejack:

    I have to admit that my county government (Fairfax, Virginia) is pretty opaque to me. I’m pretty sure it’s safely Democratic

    You’re in Falls Church, right? I think the further west go you, the purpler it gets….though the blood red zone does seem to be getting pushed farther out.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    Even Col. (Ret.) Peters, as Roy Edroso remembers, hurts.

    Some times.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @eemom:

    Yeah, Falls Church, around Seven Corners and very close to Eden Center. The Arlington County line is just a few blocks away.

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    Doug! says:

    @eemom:

    So what do you think people should do if Trump fires Mueller then?

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I hope you’re right but I doubt it.

    ETA: If you’re saying that Trump can’t fire Mueller, I agree with that. That said, it isn’t going to stop him from trying to get it done.

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    danielx says:

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    He is indeed going to fire Mueller, I’d give three to five odds on it. Republican congresscritters are telling him, more or less, they’re with him as long as their policy preferences are going through. Edit: That will continue as long as they have the votes, which will be until January 2019. The base is for him as long as he’s pissing off Dems in general and libs in particular, no matter what Republican policies may do to them in the long run. In point of fact, their view is that Mueller is the offender in this whole scenario, because 1) they really don’t care what Trump does and 2) are convinced that Trump’s detractors are mostly – well, all – evil people who don’t deserve any say in anything whatsoever. Which is going to make the next few months very interesting indeed.

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    Jay says:

    @cokane:

    If the Blue Wave continues into the Midterms, and it will, Meuller is “protected” because the House will be Democratic.

    The House Intel Commitee will then reopen the Repubican’s Closed investigation, probably with Schiff as Chair, and they will be going after the former and sitting Republicans as well.

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    efgoldman says:

    @cokane:

    Dunno if the Repubs in Congress will have any courage

    Not unless and until they get swept out in November. Even the Kkkrazy KKKaukkkus will understand.

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    Ninedragonspot says:

    I worry less about Trump firing Mueller than I worry about some of Trump’s friends engineering a terrorist attack to prop him up.

    Edit: He needs a deus ex machina, basically.

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    efgoldman says:

    @cokane:

    Trump isn’t a total moron.

    Asserts facts not in evidence, your honor.

    He knows the public shitshow that would ensue

    He has less sense of consequences than the average four year old. It’s not in his makeup.

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    danielx says:

    @cokane:

    Trump does have an agenda, a short one: whatever Donald Trump likes or feels like doing is good. Anybody who doesn’t like what Donald Trump likes or does is bad. I don’t think it goes beyond that.

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    danielx says:

    @efgoldman:

    Well, he knows he isn’t going to get spanked. Unless. :::rimshot:::

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    Mike in NC says:

    @HumboldtBlue: I first heard about Ralph Peters back in the 90s when he was a Tom Clancy wannabe. He wrote several novels under a couple of pseudonyms. The blurbs on the dust jackets identified him as a retired major in Army Intelligence, so at some point he was able to wrangle a promotion to LTC. The books were mediocre. I hit the Fairfax County Public Library at least once a week and was a voracious reader. Never really knew about his association with FOX News since I avoided that shit like the plague. Funny how some people have a breaking point.

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    Jay says:

    @GregB:

    Dead link

  54. 54

    @GregB: @Jay: you know, I’ve been looking for a new hobby website to build 🤔

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    Chet Murthy says:

    I would normally never in a million years bug him about something like this because it doesn’t fall under his jurisdiction

    Doug, if by “normally” you mean “if we were in normal political times, without our Republic teetering towards fascism”, yeah, I’d agree with you. But these stopped being normal political times on Nov 8 2016. After that day, *every* elected GrOPer who continues to heed the instructions of their party, rather than caucusing with the Dems, is a traitor.

    They’re all complicit. All of them. They had a choice: our Republic, or their party. They chose. And that includes Grandpa Walnuts (McCain).

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @danielx:

    Yup, almost exactly my thoughts… As long as the Repubs get what they want, Hair Furor is good to go. Combine that with the Fox cheerleaders spoon-feeding him his favorite bullshit and it’s almost ordained to happen.

    ETA: @efgoldman: “He has less sense of consequences than the average four year old. It’s not in his makeup.”

    You’re clearly being being generous here.

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    tobie says:

    I’ve heard some speculation that Mueller won’t be fired, only sidelined which would be more effective from Trump’s perspective. If he can get Rosenstein replaced, he can appoint someone as Deputy AG who will never make Mueller’s report public. The one weakness I see in this speculation is that it assumes Trump can exercise impulse control and I’ve seen no evidence of this.

    More likely he’ll continue to rail against the intelligence community and FOX will continue with its 24/7 mission to discredit the FBI. I’m worried about the release of IG Michael Horowitz’s report. He was tasked with investigating the FBI’s handling of Clinton’s email so he would write a report critical of the FBI, and he seems to be doing the administration’s bidding.

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    Jay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Is it going to be a service website like “Find a Locksmith”,

    Or a doxxing app?

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    Redshift says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Steeplejack says:
    March 20, 2018 at 11:57 pm
    I have to admit that my county government (Fairfax, Virginia) is pretty opaque to me. I’m pretty sure it’s safely Democratic

    Yeah, the Fairfax County Board has been getting steadily more Democratic over the years; it’s now 8 Ds and 2Rs. I grew up in Arlington; in those days Fairfax was solidly Republican.

    If you’re actually in Falls Church, it’s an independent city with its own government. But I think the Seven Corners area isn’t part of that, it’s just informally considered part of the Falls Church area.

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    Jay says:

    @tobie:

    Meuller’s not writing a “report”.

    He’s conducting and prosecuting a Criminal Investigation and Prosecution with a Grand Jury and Trials, and a National Security Investigation and Prosecution with a Grand Jury and Trials.

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    West of the Cascades says:

    @Major Major Major Major: This one https://canipunchnazis.com/ is already taken.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    The gun nuts are all excited because today’s school shooting was stopped by the school’s resource officer.

    Of course, the shooter only had a handgun, not an AR-15, but since all guns are exactly the same, it’s totally indicative of what cops can do when faced with a perp who has an AR-15 with a high-capacity magazine. Exactly the same, libtards!

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    efgoldman says:

    @Ninedragonspot:

    I worry less about Trump firing Mueller than I worry about some of Trump’s friends engineering a terrorist attack

    Right. These are the klowns who keep secrets like seventh grade girls do. They’re not competent to order lunch at McDonalds

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Redshift:

    Right, I’m technically outside the City of Falls Church—again, by just a few blocks—although I have a Falls Church postal address. I think I’m “unincorporated Fairfax County,” if that’s even a thing here. (Moved here from Atlanta in 2005.)

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    Repatriated says:

    @efgoldman: I’d be worried that they’d try it, because people could be injured or killed.

    I’m far less concerned that it would prove to be politically beneficial to them.

    Crises tend to harden pre-existing opinions, and right now that doesn’t bode well for the administration and GOP.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @Jay: This. As I keep saying, if firing Mueller was something that could be accomplished easily, the Orange Fool would have done it months ago. But he hasn’t, because the process of firing Mueller is too complicated for him to manage on his own, and nobody is going to help him with it. Or at least nobody competent enough to actually pull it off. Sit back and relax, Mueller’s not going anywhere…

    ETA @efgoldman: This, too.

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    Jay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    One would be a site or app for somebody, say Rep. Nunes, who needed to ” find a Nazi”, with a certain skill set or contacts, to carry mash notes, roses and chocolates to Putin,

    The other would be a way to use a photo, online pseudonym etc, from a Nazi action, gathering, online post, Hatreon donation or Bund Me, or social media account, to connect it to a real world person.

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    tobie says:

    @Jay: I’m just repeating what Michael Isikoff and David Kay Johnston said on TV last night. The point was that if Rosenstein were replaced, Mueller’s ability to act would be constrained. The implication was that Rosenstein has chosen not to interfere in the investigation, but another Deputy AG–say, Scott Pruitt–would not give Mueller free rein. As I said above, this tactic seems unlikely since it would require Trump to have impulse control, which he does not. Even when he’s told in All Caps not to congratulate Putin on his election, he still does so.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Jay:

    I think M^4 was joking.

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    Aleta says:

    What I want is for Flake and all of the brave Republicans to publish what they promise to do if he does. I’ll call some R offices and ask for their answer.

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    Jay says:

    @tobie:

    The legal text of Meuller’s appointment allows him to investigate “anything and all”, and the time frame is “until the end”.

    Meuller’s pretty damn “bombproof”.

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    Jay says:

    @Steeplejack:

    My sense of humour is pretty dry, and dark, if you can’t obviously tell.

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    Jay says:

    @tobie:

    BTW, selling fear is a mainstay of pundits, even irrational fear.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ieQH6X_XBJo

    I could make you scared, if you want me to
    I’m not prepared, but if I have to
    He said, I can make you scared, it’s kind of what I do
    If you’re prepared, here’s what I propose to do
    You’re in Russia and more than a million works of art
    Are whisked out to the woods

    When the Nazis find the whole place dark
    They’ll think God’s left the museum for good

    I can make you scared, if that’s what I do
    If you’re prepared, and if I have to
    If I make you scared, and you pay me to
    That’s the deal, now here’s what I can do for you

    Now there’s a focus group that can prove
    This is all nothing but cold calculation
    Tests have shown that suspicious are hostile
    Their lives need not be shortened
    Truth be told, they can live a long, long while
    Tickled to death by their importance

    If you can make me scared, if that’s what you do
    If I’m unclear, can I get out of this thing with me and you
    If you feel scared, and a bit confused
    I got to say, this sounds a little beyond anything I’m used to

    There’s a precious few that can prove at the root
    This is all nothing but cold calculation

    Clearly entranced, you’re leaving back now
    Defanged destroyer limps into the bay
    Down at the beach it’s attracting quite a crowd
    As kids wade through the blood out to it to play

    Okay, you made me scared, you did what you set out to do
    And I’m not prepared, you really had me going there for a minute or two

    He said, you made me scared too, I wasn’t sure I was getting through

    I got to go
    It’s been a pleasure doing business with you

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    eemom says:

    @Doug!:

    Fucking riot in the streets 24/7, hack shit, smash shit, cut every power line inside the beltway and lower Manhattan. French Revolution. That’s what I THINK. Will it happen? Of course not, because we’re a nation of pussies.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    It’s freaking me out a little that G is a little freaked out that the Republicans will manage to cheat enough to win the midterms. It sometimes feels like he’s plugged into a white dudebro hive mind that he disagrees with but still gets messages from. 🤔

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @eemom:

    Also because a large majority of white people voted for Trump (64 percent of white men, 53 percent of white women), so they’re not only going to join that kind of rebellion, they’ll use every bit of power they have to put it down.

    The aristos in France were outnumbered. The numbers are much more even right now.

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    Redshift says:

    @Steeplejack:

    I think I’m “unincorporated Fairfax County,” if that’s even a thing here.

    Hmm, I don’t think it is. I live in Fairfax but have an Alexandria address; apparently my bit is one of two or three that were part of Alexandria at one time but were transferred to Fairfax in some kind of border adjustment.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Okay, that is scary. Not the election, the hive mind.

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    SectionH says:

    @Mnemosyne: Speaking of France, this is pour encourage les autres

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/20/nicolas-sarkozy-police-custody-french-president-campaign-funding-libya

    eta: I’m sure he’s in polite police custody, but Damn, son.

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    Redshift says:

    @Jay:

    Meuller’s not writing a “report”.

    Based on historical precedents, it’s entirely possible that Mueller will submit a report to Congress concerning Trump’s actions for them to consider impeachment, even if he indicts and tries other figures. While there is disagreement about whether a sitting president can be indicted, people familiar with Mueller seem to believe that he’s cautious enough that he would be unlikely to go that route.

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    eemom says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I think you need to be a tad more specific wrt “white people.” I’m talking about DC and NYC here. Don’t think the white trash out in Bumfuck are gonna get mobilized to get their toothless asses into their pickups in time even if they ARE motivated; and as for the urban white folk — “using their power” to do what? Skulk in their McMansions shitting their pants until they can get a flight out.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Redshift:

    I just remember that when I have looked up voting and registration stuff several times there is a choice between “City of Falls Church” and “Falls Church, Fairfax County” or something like that.

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    eemom says:

    @Redshift:
    @Steeplejack:

    Don’t know about the “incorporated” stuff, but AFAIK everything between Arlington County and whatever the next county west of Fairfax County is (Loudon? Prince William?) is part of Fairfax County, and within that you have a bunch of smaller distinct entities like the city of Alexandria, city of Fairfax, and my very own Town of Vienna, complete with its own police force and extra property taxes.

    eta: Oh. I guess Falls Church has a city too.

    The funny thing is that McLean and Great Falls, by far the richest ass communities in the place, do NOT have their own distinct entities, AFAIK.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Redshift:

    I live in Fairfax but have an Alexandria address; apparently my bit is one of two or three that were part of Alexandria at one time but were transferred to Fairfax in some kind of border adjustment.

    You may have gone through a border adjustment but that is unrelated to an Alexandria address. The post office stretches that city name way beyond any borders that Alexandria even dreamed about annexing.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @Jay: “Meuller’s pretty damn “bombproof”.”

    Don’t forget that Republicans like it when their President blows shit up. Nothing’s bombproof to them, they want to ‘win’ at all costs.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @eemom:

    I’m definitely in Fairfax County. I just don’t know if I am also in some smaller municipal entity. I’m not in the City of Falls Church, and I don’t think Seven Corners is a legal entity. And my postal address is Falls Church.

    All I meant by “unincorporated” is that there must be (I think) parts of the county where people live and they are not within an “incorporated” city or town and therefore don’t have elected municipal officials. They get their services from the county, and county cops show up when they have a problem.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @eemom:

    AFAIK everything between Arlington County and whatever the next county west of Fairfax County is (Loudon? Prince William?) is part of Fairfax County, and within that you have a bunch of smaller distinct entities like the city of Alexandria, city of Fairfax, and my very own Town of Vienna, complete with its own police force and extra property taxes.

    In Virginia the process of a community becoming a city is a heavy lift. I think the new city has to buy any equipment it needs (snow plows, maintenance vehicles, police and fire equipment, …) from the county. Even though the residents already paid for that stuff by taxes to the county. So they have to buy it twice.

    Cities in Virginia do not sprout like weeds in the same manner as they do in California. Click on city names in Google Map to see the boundaries.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Cole has the hive mind, too. That’s how he knew the Franken thing was going to take off.

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    Hell, I ONLY have Republicans representing me. McCain and Flake are as useless as red lights in Grand Theft Auto.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @eemom:

    You really think that Georgetown and the Upper West Side are going to revolt against Republican rule? They’re the Republican base. They donate millions to the RNC each and every year.

    They’ll stay home, but it’s not because they’re “pussies.” It’s because they’re Republicans, and they have enough money and power that they don’t give a shit about people marching in the streets.

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    Shalimar says:

    @cokane: I am still not seeing why Trump has to fire Sessions. Just have Sessions fire Mueller. Being recused from this shit didn’t keep him from personally firing McCabe. It shouldn’t keep him from firing Mueller either. All they have to do is weather the “hey, you can’t legally do that” outrage, which will be a small part of the total outrage they plan to weather anyway.

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    Fred says:

    Dick move? The GOP is the party of dick moves. They believe anybody who doesn’t do three dick moves a day is a sucker. Earn their respect. Dick move them till they cry. It’s the right thing to do.

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