Tillerson out

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    McMasters next? I get the sense we are in for a lot of turnover now, since Trump’s idea of success is to make a shitshow of everything.

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    rumpole says:

    Tillerson just said that it was Russia that poisoned those folks in Britain and that there was no doubt about it. Coincidence?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    And the CIA is now run by a woman who ran a black site and later ordered the evidence of the torture three destroyed lest it mark her career. God help us.

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    jimmiraybob says:

    The Miller–Putsch…..or, the week of the long tweets?

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    raven says:

    Your new CIA Director!

    Gina Cheri Haspel (born October 1, 1956) is an American intelligence officer. She joined the Central Intelligence Agency in 1985.[1] In February 2017 she was appointed by President Donald Trump as Deputy Director of the CIA.[1][2][3] She is the “first female career CIA officer” to receive that appointment, although she is the second woman, as Avril Haines had been appointed by Barack Obama in 2013.[4][5] On March 13, 2018, Gina Haspel was nominated to be the Director of the CIA, the first woman to be so.

    Service with CIA[edit]
    Haspel ran a “black site” CIA prison located in Thailand in 2002.[6][7] The site was codenamed “Cat’s Eye” and held suspected al Qaeda members Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri and Abu Zubaydah for a time. The Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture specifies that during their detention at the site they were waterboarded and interrogated using no longer authorized methods.[8][9] Declassified CIA cables specify that Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in a month, was sleep deprived, kept in a “large box”, had his head slammed against a wall and he lost his left eye. Zubaydah was deemed, by the CIA interrogators, to not be in possession of any useful intelligence (Interrogation of Abu Zubaydah).[10]

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Trying to figure out what this means. Pompeo is definitely more of an ideologue and Trump ass-kisser than Tillerson was, so maybe it’s related to the tariff thing? Timing is interesting too.

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    MomSense says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I doubt she will be more than acting. He’ll probably put someone like Cotton or Gowdy in there. God help us.

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    raven says:

    I winder if Rex will spill the beans on the “moron”?

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    raven says:

    What’s all this “god” bullshit, didn’t you get the memo?

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    Quinerly says:

    @Betty Cracker: Timing very interesting indeed. Tillerson’s dad died recently. Tillerson out of the office for a couple of weeks. Was returning from Africa a day early. Arrived back at 4:00AM this morning. Supposedly decision was made Friday to fire him.

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    I hope this doesn’t mean war with North Korea.

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    p.a. says:

    Ummm… don’t know what this means. Outside of consistent kleptocracy and attacking POC, this misadministration is too anarchic to predict anything, except the continuous ‘hold my beer’ effect. Interesting, though, that the CIA chief gets State at the same time there’s talk of talks with the DPRK. Awaiting the next ‘hold my beer’ moment.

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    MattF says:

    @Thoroughly Pizzled: It’s always something.

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    japa21 says:

    Both Pompeo and Haspel will need to go through confirmation process again, right? Pompeo hasn’t been a total toady.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @rumpole:

    I noticed the same thing. Timing was interesting. And now, of course, we know why Rexxon Drillerson “took ill” and had to return early from Africa. Well, at least Trump didn’t leave him stranded in Nigeria.

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    CaseyL says:

    I cry no tears for Tillerson, who oversaw the dismantling of the State Department (and who only took the job in the first place to get Russian oil leases for his old company).

    Pompeo will be a disaster as SoS, and Haspel probably a disaster as CIA Chief… but it’s not like Dolt45 was going to name smart ethical people, so I guess we should be thankful he didn’t replace Tillerson with his golf caddie or Pompeo with the lady who waxes his ass crack.

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    JPL says:

    I think that Rosenstein made statements of support for the special counsel in order to preempt discussion of Mueller being fired.
    Rosenstein won’t do it, so I assume he’ll be fired soon, and replaced soon.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Maybe he thinks this is still The Apprentice and the goal is to shrink the cabinet down to one victor.

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    ewrunning says:

    Appears that Tillerson was told on Friday, i.e., while he was visiting s***hole countries.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @CaseyL:

    with the lady who…

    Why are you doing this to us?

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    MomSense says:

    Didn’t Pimpeo recently meet with the heads of the three Russian intelligence agencies? Job interview? We only knew about that meeting because it was on Russian State TV

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @CaseyL:

    the lady who waxes his ass crack

    A mental image I don’t need first thing in the morning. Or, really, any time.

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    jimmiraybob says:

    @CaseyL:

    I guess we should be thankful he didn’t replace Tillerson with his golf caddie or Pompeo with the lady who waxes his ass crack.

    We’ve got 21/2 years to go. They’re working down the list.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @JPL: Can Trump actually fire Rosenstein directly? Wouldn’t he need to get Sessions to do it, or replace Sessions with someone who won’t recurse themselves who will then fire Meuller?

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    Quinerly says:

    President’s “body man” also leaving.

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    randy khan says:

    Not that I think Pompeo will be good, but he probably has a better idea of what State actually does than Tillerson, so perhaps there’s some hope that he won’t continue hollowing it out.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @MomSense:

    Good catch! Yes, yes he did.

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    Coffee at dawn ☕ says:

    Ugh, not just a teabagger, but a teabagger from the failed state of Kansas. And Haspel, the torturer.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Ah, here we are:

    Tillerson warns US still vulnerable to Russian meddling

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @japa21: Pompeo hasn’t been a total toady? The only non-toady moment I can recall was when he was pressed on the IC’s conclusion about Russian interference in the 2016 election, and he agreed that Russia had interfered, but even Trump has done that when cornered.

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    JPL says:

    @different-church-lady: There was an article from last month indicating that he can, although he might have to answer questions about why. Paul Ryan would simply say it’s unhelpful and not bother with questions.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @rumpole: He already knew he was on the way out. That’s the only reason he said it in the first place.

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    bluefoot says:

    When does the Saturday Night Massacre start?
    With any other administration, impeachment proceedings would have started months ago.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Quinerly:

    President’s “body man” also leaving.

    Do you mean Keith Schiller or someone else? Schiller, his long-serving bodyguard, left several weeks ago (yes, I realize “bodyguard” and “body man” are not the same — just hadn’t heard of this particular departure).

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    MomSense says:

    I’m getting my mass demonstration preparedness checklist out. Time to be ready for action.

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    LAO says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: John Mcentte —

    Another long-time Trump aide is out: John McEntee, an original Trumper among w Hope Hicks and Dan Scavino, was escorted out of the White House on Monday https://t.co/haIhsITOxp— Michael C. Bender (@MichaelCBender) March 13, 2018

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: Hi MomSense. Is that something you could post a link to? After the past few days, I think we might be nearing that point, too.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @LAO: escorted out of the White House on Monday

    Always an interesting detail

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO: escorts in the trump White House? Not surprising.

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    ewrunning says:

    Now an official statement from the Department, Undersecretary Steve Goldstein, indicating Tillerson had not intended to leave and never heard from Trump about his departure.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: That doesn’t appear to be a link?

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    MomSense says:

    @MomSense:

    Link is borked. Go to right-to-protest dot org

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I see the nym change, are you back home?

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    Quinerly says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: McEntee. He’s supposedly going to the reelection campaign.

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    jonas says:

    @raven: Ugh. Not that this is surprising, though. John Brennan may be tweeting and saying the right things about Trump now, but on his watch under Obama, his Job Nr. 1 was to make sure no-one in the CIA was ever held accountable for anything done during the early years of the War on Terror (including himself), so here we are, with people like Haspel now running the place. And there are plenty more where she came from. Of course under Trump “participated in documented war crimes” is an asset, rather than a liability.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @LAO:

    Thanks. I must admit I never heard of him.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO: I am, though I’ve actually spent more time in the Bay Area than in Atlanta this year!

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    waspuppet says:

    @rumpole: No. There is no coincidence. And in other non-coincidence news, Devin Nunes shuts down the Russia probe the first House business day after Britain reveals that the poisoning was a Russian job — i.e., the first House business day after it was revealed that if you don’t do what Russia says they will find you and hurt you wherever you are. Just saying.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: no worries—he’s never heard of you either

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Well, welcome home for the time being. And for as long as it lasts.

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    MomSense says:

    Tom Cotton said he knew about Tillerson before trump’s Tweet which means he knew before Rex.

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    Ramalama says:

    Does Pompeo have to be approved of by Congress to become SoS?

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    Sheila in NC says:

    @waspuppet: also the day that Isikoff’s and Corn’s book has come out documenting the Russian involvement in the election and their support for Trump.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Ramalama: Yes, Pompeo must be confirmed by the Senate

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    No Drought No More says:

    Although he intentionally overstated the case by 45% or so, Mitt Romney’s “47% philosophy” is one shared by none other than Vladimir Putin. It’s little wonder, then, why congressional republicans have chosen to honor and protect Putin from retaliation, that is, by betraying their own country and oaths of office in the process. They are immoral, cold blooded scum, ALL of whom currently, and after great deliberation, aid and abet a mortal enemy of American democracy, every hour of every day. Some will later profess to be shocked and surprised when Trump falls, and his crimes exposed. Don’t believe them, because they won’t be.

    That congressional republicans have proved themselves traitors to The United States will also simplify the campaign strategies of democratic candidates everywhere.

    “So what if they’re Russians?” Putin said of the people named in last month’s indictment. “There are 146 million Russians. So what? … I don’t care. I couldn’t care less. … They do not represent the interests of the Russian state.”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Ramalama: Yes.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @rumpole:

    Putin could poison 21 people on fifth avenue with nerve agent and he wouldn’t lose Trump’s vote.

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    No Drought No More says:

    C.I.A. guy Phillip Mudd: “The [congressional republicans] responsibility was not to represent party, Democrat or Republican, but to represent people”.

    It’s disingenuous of Phil- to say the least- to profess surprise that congressional republicans mean it when they say, “corporations are people too, my friend”.

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    Jazzman says:

    The new Republican 11th commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow oligarchs.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @No Drought No More:

    That congressional republicans have proved themselves traitors to The United States will also simplify the campaign strategies of democratic candidates everywhere.

    Firing squad or Noose?

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    patrick II says:

    @Quinerly:

    Tillerson was returning from Africa

    I am surprised they let him fly home on a government plane. That’s not like Trump.

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    Bookeater (formerly JosieJ) says:

    @waspuppet:

    Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but if Devin Nunes is only just realizing that now, he’s even denser than he looks.

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    Shana says:

    My first thought on hearing this was rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

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