PA Special Election Pt. III (& Re-counting?)

The Repubs are scrambling to explain that the margins are so narrow as to make this election meaningless, and also Conor Lamb is practically a Republican anyways, and besides the district is due to go away come November. So… looking good for Sen. Lamb, so far!

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Nearer my God to Thee

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    patroclus says:

    Margin at 755. Amazing Grace!

    9 precincts left in Washington county – due in 20 minutes.

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    Wag says:

    I’ll have a gin and wingnut tears on the rocks with a squeeze of lime, please!

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    dmsilev says:

    Republicans at the White House are pleased tonight with the narrow margin of PA-18. “This isn’t a blowout — for now, we’ll happily take it,” GOP official says.

    “Not a blowout loss” in a district that Donald Trump won by high double digits? This is Baghdad Bob level spin.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: Yep, the President won the district by 20 points.

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    @dmsilev: yes, the voting outcome is not necessarily to their advantage.

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    billcoop4 says:

    Billcoop4 to GOP official. No one was expecting a blowout of your schmuck. Bite me.


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    patroclus says:

    1195 absentees from Washington County – will not be counted until tomorrow morning. 200ish absentees from Greene – also not counted til tomorrow. 3000+ Allegheny County absentees due to be counted by midnight,

    CNN projecting a 95 vote lead for Lamb after Washington County votes tonight fully counted.

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    dmsilev says:

    Washington county is in and…

    Conor Lamb leads by 0.0 percentage points, or 95 votes, over Rick Saccone with 99 percent of precincts fully reporting.

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    japa21 says:

    Two precincts left and Lamb is up by 95 votes. Both in Westmoreland.

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    guachi says:

    Eww. Way too close for comfort! Go go absentee ballots!

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    Fair Economist says:

    A significant feature of this election is that with the huge interventions by national Republicans, in support and in money, the election was nationalized as much as, if not more than, a typical midterm. I would expect this swing to carry over into the November election, unlike many of the statehouse races we’ve seen.

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    JaneSays says:

    Conor Lamb – 109,945 (49.7%)
    Rick Saccone – 109,850 (49.7%)

    It’s down to a 95 vote race with 99% reporting.

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    NotMax says:

    Geez, threads popping up too rapidly.

    So when does Dolt 45 tweet that “millions of fraudulent votes” were cast today?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I haven’t heard anyone on MSNBC mention that the tax cut has had the effect of a fart in the wind in this race

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Crazy. But another district swinging 20 points from 2016. No mattter how this ends up, this is great news for us. Maybe for John McCain too?

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    Mary G says:

    Tonight brought to you by EVERY VOTE COUNTS!!!!

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    guachi says:

    Westmoreland as a whole is voting 42.53% (two party) for Lamb. If he gets that in the approximately 700 votes left he’ll lose by about 10 votes in the initial count.


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    tobie says:


    Both in Westmoreland

    I’ve come to loathe this county in the course of the night. Before tonight it didn’t even register on my radar screen. Go figure.

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    eclare says:

    @tobie: I hate everyone who voted for the Libertarian more, currently around 1,300 people.

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    Eric S. says:

    @Wag: keep their bitter tears out of my gin, but I’ll happily sip on some gin and watch them cry

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    JaneSays says:

    Requested absentee ballots by county

    Allegheny: 3500
    Westmoreland: 1800
    Greene: 200
    Washington: 1140

    This bodes well for Conor Lamb.

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    patroclus says:

    Allegheny County is done counting absentees and will announce shortly!

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    patroclus says:

    1930-1178 in Allegheny!! Lamb gains 752!!! Margin at 847!!

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    JaneSays says:

    @patroclus: I’m guessing Lamb will need to emerge with a 600-800 vote lead after the Allegheny absentee ballots are reported to hold on and win this thing.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @patroclus: who said that?

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    JaneSays says:

    Lamb now up by 847 votes!

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    Sab says:

    @eclare: Otherwise they wouldn’t havd voted, so no votes lost to either side.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Wow. Good night!! This is all too much pressure. Hope Lamb pulls out a squeaker.

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    dmsilev says:

    @patroclus: Woo! And per some comments in the previous thread, Allegheny accounted for over half of all of the absentee ballots.

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    Sab says:

    My cocker spaniel is calmer than Kornacki.

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    guachi says:

    That was fast counting of absentee. 57.4% for Lamb day of voting and 62.1% from absentee. Nice little boost, I’d say.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    Lamb just might have enough to hold the lead into sunrise.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Libertarians almost certainly would have voted for Saccone instead, so those votes work to the D’s advantage. Why do you think the Republicans fund Green Party candidates? It’s not because they think those voters would have voted R.

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    chopper says:



    ooh this race gave me some heartburn.

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    👩🏽‍🔬 Martin says:

    Oh, man, Lamb has this easily. Done and done.

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    MJS says:

    Westmoreland County Repubs frantically counting on their fingers and toes to determine how many Lamb absentee ballots they need to lose to win this thing.

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    👩🏽‍🔬 Martin says:

    @MJS: More than all of them, I’m pretty sure.

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    dmsilev says:

    Dave Wasserman
    21s21 seconds ago
    BREAKING: Allegheny Co. absentees break 1,930 to 1,178 for Lamb (D). Lamb now up 847 votes (0.4%) w/ 2 precincts left. Barring a tabulation error somewhere, that should be enough for him to prevail.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    Saccone would have to win the remaining absentees like 67-33, right?

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    Gretchen says:

    Lamb up 847 votes. All the Allegheny votes including absentee are in. Waiting on 2 precincts in Washington Country and 3000 absentees from lean-Republican areas.

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    JaneSays says:

    Just a ballpark figure, but if there are 3,000 outstanding absentee ballots from the 3 Saccone-friendly counties, he’ll need to win those votes by a nearly 2:1 margin to be able to win. Odds feel good for Lamb right now.

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    eclare says:

    @Mnemosyne: Good point…just hate third parties.

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    guachi says:

    Saccone probably needs 60% of the remaining vote to win. It’s probably out of reach with the large boost of Allegheny absentee. There were more than the original estimate of 3,750 absentee from Allegheny – about 4,100 and it went 62-38 for Lamb vice 58-42 for the day of vote.

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    JaneSays says:

    @Gretchen: What’s the estimated number of outstanding non-absentee votes from the 2 remaining Washington County precincts?

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    NotMax says:


    Anecdotal but all the Libertarians I know are Republicans in creep’s clothing.

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    Redshift says:


    That was fast counting of absentee.

    If it works like it does in my state, they didn’t have to wait until the polls closed to start counting the absentee ballots.

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    dmsilev says:

    @guachi: Do we know when the other counties report their absentee totals?

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    chopper says:

    Oh baby. oh fucking yeah.

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    Another Scott says:


    99.7% reporting
    Candidate Votes PCT
    Conor Lamb (D) 111,875 49.9%
    Rick Saccone (R) 111,028 49.5%

    +0.4%, +847

    In the recent HoD races in Virginia, recounts shifted a literal handful of votes. Unless the absentee, provisional, etc., ballots do something unexpected, it looks to me like Conor won.



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    japa21 says:

    I would like to remind everyone of my comment at 8:31 EDT.

    500 plus votes counted, Lamb up 52.5 to 47. We can all go to bed now. It’s in the bag.

    No sweat. Sure the percentage changed a little, but the actual vote separation may well turn out to be the same as it was then.

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    guachi says:

    I believe the other three counties will report tomorrow. Some in the morning!

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Don’t take this the wrong way, because I’m trying to be encouraging, but you Texas Democrats need to get to work NOW and take advantage of this wave.

    Trump won this district by 20+ points a year and a half ago, and it’s already swung to the Democrats.

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    Jeffro says:

    @chopper: YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!, you mean

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    tobie says:

    @guachi: I thought there were 3700 absentees in Allegheny but the final tally amounted to approx 3100. Were the other 600 for the Libertarian candidate? That seems unlikely. I guess they could have been disqualified ballots.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    BREAKING: NBC News/Cook Political Report

    Dave Wasserman
    ‏ @Redistrict
    21s22 seconds ago

    Projection: Barring a major tabulation error, Conor Lamb (D) has defeated Rick Saccone (R) in #PA18.

    0 replies 17 retweets 17 likes

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    japa21 says:

    There are a few areas of Westmoreland which were projected to go to Lamb. It would be funny if the two remaining precincts were Lamb precincts.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Fat Bastard had already said he never heard of this Saccone person.

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    japa21 says:

    @tobie: I believe the original number was requested not necessarily returned. Some people return their absentee ballots at the polling place on election day. Or decide to throw them out and vote in person.

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    MJS says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: Western PA Repubs frantically concocting a major tabulation error.

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    billcoop4 says:

    Absentee applications vs. actual votes cast.


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    JaneSays says:

    @tobie: There were 3700 requested, but usually at least 10% of them never get mailed back.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: I’m guessing the term of art to use in this case should be “Apparent Winner”, since it looks like that Saccone would need to over-perform absentees and PA Absentees almost always lean toward the Democrat when compared to day-of voting.

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    patroclus says:

    @Mnemosyne: I live in Chicago now and have volunteered for Sameena Mustafa to beat Mike Quigley. Quigley’s gonna win, but it’s fun anyway. We’re voting in a week! And we’re gonna wipe Rauner out!!

    (And I met Steve Schwartzberg, the Bernie guy, and liked him a lot too! Not a BernieBro at all and he’s running again in 2020. He talked to me for about 20 minutes about every issue under the sun. A Yale PHD in history).

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @tobie: Kornacki said they’re speculating based on the number of absentee ballots requested, and the number cast is always below that. I’m wondering how many absentee votes are cast by college students

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: Rick Santorum has apparently called it for Lamb on CNN

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    tobie says:

    @MJS: Hate to say it but I think there may be some truth to this. I don’t recall any recent election when the urban precincts reported well before the rural precincts.

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    Mike J says:

    Schooley @Rschooley 7m Waiting on Latrobe. If some wins by 33, we’ll finally knows what it means.

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    catclub says:


    Some in the morning!

    And I bet 1201am does not qualify as morning.

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    TS says:


    I believe the other three counties will report tomorrow. Some in the morning!

    MSNBC now saying 2 will be counted tonight (the larger ones)

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    MJS says:

    @tobie: Yep, those two Westmoreland precincts have been hanging out there a long time.

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    tobie says:

    @japa21: @JaneSays: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Thanks for the explanation. This likely means that we only know the number of requested absentee ballots in the other counties, not the returned ballots.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Ah, okay. I think I was getting your former and current residences mixed up.

    Good luck with Mustafa — she sounds like a great candidate, and with the way this year is going, I wouldn’t count her out just yet.

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    MomSense says:


    WTF is this with the small, rural precincts taking longer than the cities? They aren’t using black or white stones FFS.

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    Another Scott says:

    via LOLGOP – Sahil Kapur:

    Sahil Kapur Verified account @sahilkapur

    #PA18 is a R+11 district

    By contrast…

    Paul Ryan: R+4
    Pete Sessions: R+5
    Devin Nunes: R+8
    Steve King: R+11
    Mark Meadows: R+14

    7:40 PM – 13 Mar 2018


    We need to keep fighting and actualize the wave. We can do this!


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    patroclus says:

    @Mnemosyne: She used to run a Planned Parenthood office, she’s a comedienne (2nd city grad), has demonstrated for LGBT rights, has been a tenant advocate, she’s a NW grad and looks like Prince Harry’s fiance. I went to a candidate forum on Saturday and she and Schwartzberg are vastly better than the Quigster.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @MomSense: If anything, we need to be arguing for a faster way for rural precincts to get their stuff counted and sent in so that we don’t have 10 hour election nights trying to count things if it’s in any way close.

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    chopper says:


    YYEEEEOOOUCH, them pins is pointy!

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    mike in dc says:

    Those absentee ballots, even in the red counties, may skew more Democratic, due to the efforts of the Lamb campaign.

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    Davebo says:

    With 2 precincts still not reporting I predict litigation over this election in the end.

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    MJS says:

    @MomSense: They’re populated by fuckwits who think voting for people like Trump is a good idea. You can’t expect them to be able to do much of anything.

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    @Another Scott:

    Paul Ryan: R+4

    I want to watch you packing up your things to go home as Nancy Pelosi is declared Speaker of the House behind you, Ryan. I would make a recording.

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    Cckids says:


    Don’t take this the wrong way, because I’m trying to be encouraging, but you Texas Democrats need to get to work NOW and take advantage of this wave.

    I know not everyone is a fan of the Obama bros, but if you get the chance, listen to their podcasts from TX, recorded live last weekend. The energy & enthusiasm of the crowds were off the charts. Beto O’Roark was on; he’s great, quick thinking, good sense of humor but didn’t get dragged into jokiness- kept on message without sounding stiff. He’s a keeper!
    Also, the put-downs of Ted Cruz were fabulous.
    Good stuff!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Brian Williams is verrrry concerned about Nancy Pelosi as a drag on Democrats

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    MSNBC: “Lamb and Saccone are neck and neck in a district Trump won by 20 points 16 months ago.”

    CNN: “Lamb and Saccone are neck and neck in #PA18, which Trump won by 20 points.”

    Fox News: “There should be a special counsel appointed to investigate Hillary Clinton.”

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    different-church-lady says:

    RNC spokesperson Kayleigh McEnany tells @rickklein that Democratic challenger Conor Lamb “has essentially run as a Republican.”

    So what the heck did Saccone run as?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Daniel @ Taniel
    There are 3200 absentee ballots in Greene, Washington, & Westmoreland, per redistrict. Saccone will need to win them by 26% to win. That seems… hard: he won the Election Day vote by “only” 12% here.

    those raw numbers make me nervous, but that’s a big percentage to overcome– pretty sure Kornacki said that even in those counties, Dems perform better in absentee votes than in election day votes

    @different-church-lady: Conor Lamb “has essentially run as a Republican.”

    this seems to be the spin, again no mention of the ACA (he’s for it) or the trump-Ryan tax cut (he was against it)

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    different-church-lady says:

    @japa21: You didn’t go to bed.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    apparently the Washington Cty people are going to be hand-counting the absentees all morning long…

    GOD this is just… just… well it’s something alright, just not sure what yet

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    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink says:

    How many congressional districts are more democratic than this one again? 119 was it? I do hope Lamb pulls this out, not just for the long list of partisan and patriotic reasons, but also because he seems to be a legit public servant personality. Somebody that will take this shit seriously, and fucking belongs there.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    Also Saccone is talking and… he… yeah I can see why he’s the “one Republican” that can fall back into a tie in a district that Trump won by 20 not even 2 years ago.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    My thought was: Does the Republican party expect Conor Lamb to caucus with it?

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    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink says:

    @eric: this seems about right

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @Comrade Nimrod Humperdink: I don’t mind having a (semi-)Conservative Democrat in office if they take their job seriously and don’t just use it to be “Fox’s News Special Democrat[sic] Friend”

    Then again I live in a state that produces a lot of moderate white Democrats so I’m just used to it, looking at you Gov. Edwards (no not that one).

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    Japa21 says:

    @different-church-lady: Just woke up and checked things out.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    So what the heck did Saccone run as?

    A loser. 😈

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Trump won by 20 % in the Presidential in this district. If you can’t see how a photo finish either way tonight is good for our side, then you have issues. Flame me.

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    chrome agnomen says:

    @different-church-lady: you might think this would indicate to republicans that they should run less insane candidates, wouldn’t you? i crack myself up.

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    Bupalos says:

    @BlueDWarrior: it’s in the bag, is what it is.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    but, but…… the tax cut!

    but, but…… coal!

    but,, but…… Muh Wall!

    but, but…… war on Xmas!

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    Mike J says:

    Why do I like Seattle?

    King County Library System 3 hours ago
    Create your own protest sign at the library. You bring passion, an open ear, respect, and creativity. We will provide a welcoming space.

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    TS says:

    3 hours to count 1100 votes!!!!
    This is so weird – and of course Brian doesn’t ask WHY does it take 3 hours to count 1100 votes

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    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink says:

    @BlueDWarrior: yeah I wasn’t thinking of Evan Bayh or Joe Lieberman when I said that. I had folks like Jon Tester or even Heidi Heidkamp in mind. Actual Democrats, but who have no illusions about who they represent, and take their work seriously.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Washington County official tells MSNBC they’ll need three hours to get to an official count of their (I think) ~1,100 absentee votes

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    Lamb is a shoe-in to win the new PA-17. Saccone should win the new PA-14. This is 100% for the national editorial pages.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Many have tried to primary Nancy Pelosi. None have succeeded. She eats them for breakfast.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    New post up top, since ‘change of plans’…

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    So, another all-nighter, followed by endless demands for a recount by a dickish Republican? Time to go read highlights from Franken’s memoir.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yeah, but you gotta admit that an actual win would make that swing just a little bit sweeter.

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    Redshift says:


    If anything, we need to be arguing for a faster way for rural precincts to get their stuff counted and sent in so that we don’t have 10 hour election nights trying to count things if it’s in any way close.

    I’m all for every area counting with the same efficiency, but I’d caution against demanding the results fast just so election night doesn’t run late. Fast results are always in tension with secure elections and reliable recounts (and vote-by-mail, which produces higher turnout), and I’d much rather have those if I have to choose.

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    themann1086 says:

    @Redshift: so I was the Machine Inspector at my old precinct for 5 years, so I can answer this.

    Because a voter can come to their polling place and void their absentee ballot and vote in person, we cannot open and count the absentee ballots until the polls close. While the machines tabulate totals, we usually open the absentee ballots, count them, and record those numbers on the election return sheet. We would then attach the machine printouts and the Judge of Elections takes them and the machine cartridges to county election board. Our precinct would combine all numbers informally on private sheets that we would give to each party’s reps so they would know the true vote totals. We could usually get everything to county by 930, give or take. Don’t know what the county procedure is, if they push our tabulation as unofficial before checking or what, but that’s how things looked for us.

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    Davebo says:

    @Cckids: Where can I find their podcasts?

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    @TS: WHY does it take 3 hours to count 1100 votes

    The vote-counters need an English-to-Russian interpreter?

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah that’s why the More-Liberal-Than-Thou contingent are trying to get her to retire. Since they can’t find anyone in that district that wants to jump under that wheat thresher.

    Personally… you want your party leaders to be functionaries and know how to run their committees and the caucus apparatuses instead of pounding the desk about ideology. I mean… like I know a lot of people who are liberal as I am but I wouldn’t ask them to run a donut shop let alone a Congressional committee.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: No fucking shit.

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    👩🏽‍🔬 Martin says:

    @TS: they get counted multiple times until they have matching counts and some are done by hand.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    A good loss is still a loss. As a famous Wisconsin resident once said, “winning isn’t everything … IT’S THE ONLY THING.”

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    Another Scott says:



    According to state election officials, there are two methods for seeking a recount under state law.

    Voters can ask a county board of elections for a recount before all returns are counted, or they can ask the county court for a recount. However, to win a court-ordered recount, there are stiff requirements, including requiring three voters in the same precinct who can attest that error or fraud was committed in the count.

    [ that’s a pretty heavy lift ]


    For the White House and its Republican allies, a Tuesday loss would represent both a profound embarrassment and major cause for concern in the broader push to defend majorities in the U.S. House and Senate.

    The president has campaigned in the district twice and sent several tweets on Saccone’s behalf. Other recent visitors include the vice president, the president’s eldest son, the president’s daughter and the president’s chief counselor. Outside groups aligned with Republicans have also poured millions of dollars into the contest.

    For Democrats, a win would reverberate nationwide, while even a narrow loss would be viewed as a sign of increased Democratic enthusiasm just as the midterm season begins.


    After voting Tuesday in Allegheny County, Republican Saccone downplayed the significance of the unusually close race.

    “The Democrats … they’re throwing everything they can at this race,” he said. “There hasn’t been an open seat for a long time.”

    Besides bruising the president, a Lamb defeat also could shake Republican self-assurance that their new tax law can shield them from other political woes.


    Lamb embraced Democratic orthodoxy on the new GOP tax law, hammering it as a giveaway to corporations at the future expense of Social Security, Medicare and the nation’s fiscal security. And he embraces unions, highlighting Saccone’s anti-labor record at the statehouse, which was a notable deviation from the retiring Murphy’s status as a union-friendly Republican.

    The AFL-CIO counts 87,000 voters from union households — around a fifth of the electorate.


    Democrats can win almost anywhere if they are smart and address the voters’ needs and wants…


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @hellslittlestangel: You aren’t helping.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Rex Tillerson who?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Mnemosyne: oh hell, I wasn’t even thinking of a primary. I just want these genii, in the party and in the press, who are so very concerned about Pelosi to tell me 1) who takes her place as Dem leader 2) do any of them really think Rs won’t still use her as a boogeywoman, and they won’t toss in Maxine Waters and Hillary Clinton as well. I think it was Luther Strange whose ads were all about Obama, barely six months ago, wasn’t it?
    ETA: Also, my hate-watch BriWi smugly talking about Beltway Manhattan types learning about pickup trucks and farm issue… Hey, fuckwit fabulist, those pickup truck drivers want you to take “entitlement reform” and cram it up Tom Brokaw’s ass

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @Redshift: And you know what, that’s a fair point.

    Accuracy in the end is more important than speed when it’s something as critical as determining who sits in elected office. I just wish there was a more effective way to show which vote has been counted where, and what ETA on the next report is.

    But perhaps that has more to do with reporting rules than counting mechanisms…

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    KithKanan says:

    @TS: Could be innocuous. I don’t suspect my California county of mucking about with elections, but (until we finally replace it before our June primary this year) we’ve been using a ballot scanner purchased in 2000, and in the 2016 election the feeder on it broke and our elections staff had to feed 139,685 ballots by hand.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @burnspbesq: You are wrong here. And you know why.

    ETA: And you got the Lombardi quotation wrong. Sit in the box and feel shame.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Bobby Thomson: Saccone apparently doesn’t know how to win a race facing any serious competition. Plus, he apparently doesn’t know how to fund-raise.

    I don’t think he’s a shoe-in anywhere, myself. But I guess we’ll see.


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    👩🏽‍🔬 Martin says:

    @BlueDWarrior: Voters there are like voters here – seniority makes up for many sins. Part of the reason that district is so liberal is because Pelosi can carry that to a national platform. A more liberal Rep wouldn’t have nearly so much of a voice for quite some time.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Democrats should NEVER be in the business of determining their leadership based on how triggered conservatives act whenever they do something. The only concern should be “can you effectively manage and operate your assigned post” and “can you at least stay somewhere within the general space we’ve carved out on the ideological spectrum when you argue for/against policy; and barring that, make a cogent argument to your position that wont piss off our regular voters”?

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    patrick II says:

    3 hours to count 1100 votes!!!!

    That wasn’t the weirdest part. They started opening the envelopes at 8:00 and had just finished (at about 11:30 )

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    Feebog says:

    I do not understand why they can’t count the absentee ballots as soon as the polls close.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @patrick II: Have you ever worked an election?

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    JaneSays says:

    OT: Stephen Hawking just died.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Feebog: Fuck off, the 80 y/o women who show up are doing the best that they can.. If you want faster, volunteer.

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    👩🏽‍🔬 Martin says:

    Wow. Stephen Hawking has passed away. I can’t put into words just how amazing it is he was able to produce as much as he did given his condition. I never expected him to live this long. Just an amazing individual.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @patrick ii: What do you find odd about this election?

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    Citizen Scientist says:

    what is that thing Kornacki is wearing on his hand?

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    marcopolo says:

    Whelp, I have to believe there will be a recount but the last big slug of votes (the 2 outstanding precincts and absentees from Westmoreland) just came in and Lamb is leading by just over 550. Saccone ain’t gonna make that up with the remaining absentees from Washington & Green counties.

    Barring skulduggery I think the Dem just picked up the win.

    PS the official line is Saccone would need to win 70% of the remaining 1400 absentees to catch up. Not gonna happen.

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    marcopolo says:

    @Citizen Scientist: He had a run in with a stretch of pavement today while he was riding a bike.

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    Gretchen says:

    Obama bros podcast: Pod Save America – that’s the one that Beto O’Rourke was on. Obama speechwriter and a couple of other guys from the Obama White House talk about current events. Pod Saves the World deals with foreign affairs. Lovett or Leave It features Obama speechwriter Jon Lovett and is always live, has a panel, and is more humorous than the other two. All are really good. I find it encouraging that they are all doing live events and the audiences sound crazy-enthusiastic, and they’re doing things like voter registration at the events. They did a European tour, and even got enthusiastic audiences in London and Stockholm.

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    Gretchen says:

    @BlueDWarrior: Yes! This! People who want to ditch Nancy Pelosi thinking that Republicans wouldn’t demonize the person who replaces her are dreaming.

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    Gretchen says:

    @Citizen Scientist: They said Kornacki had a NYC bike accident and that’s a response to his injury.

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    John Revolta says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That’s pretty amazing.

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    Cckids says:

    @Davebo: I get them from the podcasts section on my iPhone. Or their website is They have several; the Texas ones were on Pod Save America and Lovett or Leave It.

    ETA: or what Gretchen said at 142.

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    Feebog says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You can fuck off my friend. I was a poll.clerk for ten years in SoCAl. I can tell you that in California at least, Absentees are counted as soon as the polls close. The only absentees that are not are those that are dropped at the polling place. There is at least a one to two hour lag between poll closing and delivery of the ballots to a central location. Plenty of time to count the absentees. Several of these countries were not even going to count the absentees tonight.

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    mskitty says:

    @BlueDWarrior: NO! NONONONONONO! Paper ballots no matter if it takes DAYS to count! Faster is NOT necessarily better! Faster is always more fkable!

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @JaneSays: Sorry to hear that.

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