Open Thread: MAGAts Greatest Hits Tour, Pittsburgh Edition

Fun for that one guy, and of course his most fervent supporters!

Will any of them show up to vote for Saccone on Tuesday? How many of them are eligible to do so? How many of them even know who Saccone is?

Well, at least the stupid putz deserved exactly what he got…

The rally, which had been rescheduled after the deadly Parkland, Fla., shooting last month, capped a frenzied stretch of fund-raising and campaigning on behalf of Mr. Saccone, who is locked in a tight race with the Democratic nominee, Conor Lamb.

“He’s an extraordinary person,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Saccone, dismissing Mr. Lamb as “Lamb the Sham.” “The people of Pittsburgh cannot be conned by this guy Lamb, because he’s not going to vote for us.”…

While the rally was not specifically advertised as one for Mr. Saccone, a loss by him would mark the third time that Mr. Trump had thrown his political might behind a candidate without success. With his low poll numbers, Republican leaders and the White House are trying to determine how to handle his desire to campaign in the midterms…

270 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

     But I’m unconvinced it’s a net positive for Trump. I’m confident a lot of people are hate watching. And he may motivate Dems more than Repubs.

    Circumstances have changed, but 2016 says different.

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    HinTN says:


    That is all.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I guess there’s a reason a campaign rally is aired in full in March 2018 for a person running again in 2020.

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    HinTN says:

    Uncharacteristically opaque, sir or ma’am.

    ETA neutral honorific

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    The Dangerman says:

    But don’t call them stupid.

    They would have to double their IQ to reach “stupid”.

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    HinTN says:

    @Corner Stone: Clickbait, nothing more and nothing less.

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    rikyrah says:

    Peanut and I went to see A Wrinkle In TIme

    We both loved it. It was a beautiful looking film. I loved the young girl who plays the lead. I don’t think I’m spoiling when I say that the moment our heroine- Meg- finally finds her father, made me cry.
    Peanut was like ‘ Auntie, are you crying?’, and I had to nod. She just held my hand.
    One reviewer said that the movie was a love letter to Black girls, and I thought that was true. But, I think that Ava brought out why girls over decades have related to Meg. She’s not the beautiful, composed, most popular girl.
    Meg is brainy, awkward, with flaws, but brilliant, and we can see the heroine in her before she can feel it herself. I thought Ava did a fabulous job bringing forth Meg into flesh.
    I loved it.

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    Baud says:

    @HinTN: The cable shows aired Trump’s rallies non-stop in 2016, and it helped energize his people and did little to motivate our side. Like I said, things are different now, but 2016 is the only history we have.

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    NotMax says:

    Like The Gong Show without a gong.

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    rikyrah says:

    Jemele Hill: NFL, Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett

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    rikyrah says:

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    Immigration: ICE and NYC undocumented activists
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    Emerald says:

    @rikyrah: I must see that movie. A Wrinkle in Time was the book that confirmed me as a compulsive reader. There I was at age 11 in my local library looking for something to read. A wise librarian put that book in my hands. It had just won the Newberry Award (yep, I’m old). Read it and couldn’t put it down.

    So it lives in my heart. Gotta see the movie!

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    @NotMax: the voters must be the gong.

    I’m searching but there is just not a good campaign slogan here….

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    rikyrah says:

    AM Joy 3/10/18
    Mueller probe: Seychelles meeting about back channels?
    Robert Mueller and the Russia Probe are looking into whether a Seychelles meeting on a remote island was held to establish back channels between the incoming Donald Trump administration and Russia. Joy Reid and her panel discuss.

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    randy khan says:

    I don’t know how much, if any, difference it makes, but the news folks are talking about how bizarre the rallies are now, and they weren’t in 2016. I’d sure have rather had this awakening in, oh, August 2016, but there’s nothing I can do about that.

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    rikyrah says:

    Keith Boykin
    ‏Verified account @keithboykin

    Tiger Woods is beginning his long awaited comeback. Serena Williams has returned to the court. #BlackPanther and #AWrinkleInTime are #1 and #2 at the box office. Not a bad weekend.

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    aliasofwestgate says:

    @rikyrah: That’s great to hear! I’m looking forward to seeing it myself on tuesday. I adored Meg, the first time i read the book in the 80s as a young, mixed-race girlgeek. She may be a math nerd, and i was as much of one in different subjects (music, english, reading anything i could get my damned hands on). But she was me as a kidlet. I wasn’t quite so angry, but i was still an outsider in my own school and neighborhood. The fact that Ava cast her as a mixed girl just made my jaw drop. So seeing this is gonna be personal on a couple of levels. Not just that it is a gorgeous adaptation of one of the more memorable books of my 80s childhood. This movie is going to be important for an entire generation of little girls, but especially girls of color who happen to be smart too.

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    Baud says:

    @randy khan: It’s better now than it was in 2016 (largely because Trump makes it hard for the media to ignore his massive failings). It’s an open question, however, whether it stays better when there is a Dem nominee to focus on in 2020.

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    rikyrah says:

    Washington Monthly
    ‏Verified account @washmonthly

    The Trump administration sought a line of communication with Moscow that would bypass U.S. intelligence agencies. The big question is whether not they were successful.

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    oatler. says:

    I haven’t been able to tell if the Stormy D interview aired on 60 Minutes or not, no details on show or on net.

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    JPL says:

    @Emerald: Many years ago my son’s teacher read the book to her class, and he would come home each day and tell me about it. It’s a magical story and I hope that more people become aware of it, because of the movie.

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    JPL says:

    @oatler.: It’s next week. This week they did an interview with Betsy Devos that went as well as you would expect.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @JPL: I never read the book while growing up. I just went to Amazon to get a feel for whether it’s a short kid’s book or what some kids call a “chapter booK”.

    Only to find that there A Wrinkle in Time is part of a trilogy. Is the movie just about the one book, or all three?

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    danielx says:

    16 months after the 2016 presidential election, Trump is standing on a stage in Pennsylvania and re-living election night.

    And why not? He loves campaigning a lot more than the job itself. He bathes in the adulation of the crowds and nobody gives a shit how much he lies.

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    rikyrah says:

    Wes Jordan
    ‏ @wesley_jordan

    The White House held a series of private meetings last month for Trump’s Cabinet secretaries, due to their multiple scandals.

    But instead of telling them to stop engaging in scandalous behavior, they were taught how to avoid the bad optics of a scandal.

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    @WaterGirl: sometimes I feel like the only nerd who hasn’t read it. Phew!

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I haven’t. I’ve always wanted to, so maybe the movie will be my excuse.

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    rikyrah says:


    Ashley C. Ford
    ‏Verified account @iSmashFizzle

    Just got out of A Wrinkle In Time, and I feel like @ava made the movie I’ve been waiting for my entire life. That is not hyperbole. I am not a film critic. I just know what it’s like to be deeply sad, scared to let light in, and far far away from the father you love.
    12:07 PM – 11 Mar 2018

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I think there will still be scandals that catch the public eye. You can’t teach inherently stupid people to not be stupid.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: @Baud: I am in excellent company!

    I will likely read it very soon. I had never read The Velveteen Rabbit as a kid, but when I read it in my thirties, it becomes one of my favorite children’s books.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I remember in 3rd grade my teacher read us A Wrinkle in Time. It’s been a long time, but my initial impression of it was not good, because I thought the book was anti-rationalism/science, looking back on what I remember of it.

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    @Baud: I dunno now you can just see the movie.

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    lamh36 says:

    ‘Sup BJ…been offline most of the weekend was supposed to be doing more trip planning for Australia and didn’t even do that.. just lazed about the house and ain’t do shit…and i loved every minute of doing nothing…bout the only thing i decided was that I am DEF gonna fly from Melbourne to Sydney and back to Melbourne for my return flight. Just have to decide how many days in Sydney…other than that bit of “planning”..:I ain’t done nothing…smh…LOL

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    lamh36 says:

    ‪Shoot…my mom tried to hook me up with some old man “cousin” of her best friend, who was looking for a woman like me…ya know…”with a job”‬

    ‪Sally Field’s Son Meets Adam Rippon After Actress Tried to Play Matchmaker: ‘Thanks Mom’

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    dmsilev says:

    @WaterGirl: First book only. It’s been years and years since I’ve read them, but if memory serves, the follow-on books are set some years after the first one.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I thought Baud was saying that the movie coming out could be his excuse for reading the book.

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    @Major Major Major Major: It was published while I was in high school and I never read it. But I recently tried to listen to it on audio book and I didn’t like it. I feel totally out of step because I have friends who love that book.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    I wonder if they covered the rally to fill time on a weekend. There’s nothing new or interesting at these rallies anymore. I honestly don’t think they would have covered it if there was some other breaking sorry like a natural disaster or mass shooting/terrahrist event .

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    charluckles says:



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    WaterGirl says:

    @mai naem mobile: If they want to fill time, why can’t they also air a Connor Lamb rally?????

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    rikyrah says:

    A Wrinkle In Time is the first book. That’s what the movie is based on

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    dr. bloor says:

    @mai naem mobile: I suppose you’d have difficulties sneaking it past a Human Subjects committee, but it would be interesting to kidnap a blond white woman a few hours ahead of one of his rallies to see what happened.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    I honestly don’t think they would have covered it if there was some other breaking sorry like a […] terrahrist event .

    What’s the difference?

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @lamh36: Sydney! Be sure to visit Bondi Beach.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @dr. bloor:
    Trump would catch wind of it and include it in his speech. The news would cover it.

    Any other questions?

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Sounds great. I loved that book when I was a kid.

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    lamh36 says:

    For the first time in recent memory, two films directed and led by black talent are first and second at the box office. #BlackPanther  #WrinkleInTime

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: Your third-grade self missed some important clues: both parents in the novel are accomplished scientists and Meg excels at math, so not anti-science at all.

    ETA: Ms. O and I saw Black Panther this afternoon. Enjoyed it, except for the fight scenes, which we found boring. I find extended fight scenes boring in general. (The rhino sudden stop was cute, though.) Loved the women’s roles in the movie. Per instructions from all of you, I forced Ms. O to sit through the credits to the very end. Totally worth it.

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    Chyron HR says:


    I think we can keep the general public in a heightened state of “Oh, I get it, I have to vote.” for a couple elections before they go back into “Can’t vote, ‘baitin’.” mode.

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    chris says:

    A Spring moment: The fox kits must be out of the den because their Mom’s out there screaming at them. I haven’t heard her since last summer. Bert, of course, is out there yelling back at her. Fortunately he’s too chicken (he’s afraid of chickens!) to get too close.

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    Roger Moore says:


    First book only.

    Naturally. They have to leave room for the inevitable sequels.

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    lamh36 says:

    I’m not as big on figure skating as much as I used to be, so I admit that I only discovered Adam Rippon via the whole VP controversy, but now his found a forever fan in me…I just love his attitude and his willingness to live his truth!

    “To all the young kids out there: You are smarter than you think. You hold more strength than you may ever know. You are powerful.” – @HRC Visibility Award Recipient Olympian Adam Rippon (@AdaRipp) at the #HRCLADinner

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @lamh36: Sydney is visually a lot nicer than Melbourne. What time of year will you be there? A lot depends on that.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @dr. bloor:

    I suppose you’d have difficulties sneaking it past a Human Subjects committee, but it would be interesting to kidnap a blond white woman a few hours ahead of one of his rallies to see what happened.

    You could avoid some of the ethics issues by having a white woman voluntarily disappear and then have somebody say they thought she had been kidnapped. Of course you’ll need a white man and a black woman as controls.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    I might check it out then. That was such a long time ago, the only bits and pieces I remember is that the world the kids went to was described as being very boring, drab, and regimented, that I (now) interpreted it as an allegory for the ever increasing complexity of modern life; the ultimate expression of Max Weber’s Iron Cage of Rationality.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I forced Ms. O to sit through the credits to the very end. Totally worth it.

    What was your safe word? Just for posterity.

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    Suzanne says:

    I wish we (and by “we”, I mean “media jackals”) could get it through their thick heads that the only thing that Trump voters have in common is that they are realizing that they are culturally irrelevant, and that is scary to them.

    I mean, I love a good Cletus safari as much as the next elitist, but we know the score by now.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: Yep.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:
    I didn’t remember much from the book that was read to me 14 years ago. Cut me some slack. I didn’t want much spoiled either in case I wanted to see the movie or read the book.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:


    Since we are talking islands worth visiting:

    Lord Howe Island
    Fraser Island
    Hinchinbrook Island
    Whitsunday Island
    Orpheus Island
    Kangaroo Island
    Lizard Island
    Heron Island

    I like islands.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Millard Filmore:

    Be sure to visit Bondi Beach.

    Pam Bondi Beach?

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    Corner Stone says:

    I think Cole is back off the wagon.

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    Sab says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: Third grade was probably a bit young for that book. I loved it when I was eleven and I still love the series.

    I had no opinion regarding her race. Being white I assumed she was also, as otherwise the author would have mentionned it. I grew up in the 1960s South so I tend to be hyper-aware of race. I love that the movie apparently isn’t.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Millard Filmore:

    Sydney! Be sure to visit Bondi Beach.

    In a Human Zoo kind of way, Bondi is quite interesting. For anything else, it’s a disaster.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: I am never sure when reality is going to set in for you. There is an entire life out there outside of your lived experiences.

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    efgoldman says:


    The fox kits must be out of the den because their Mom’s out there screaming at them.

    Haven’t seen them (yet) this year. Happened to be looking last year when mama and the four kits stuck their noses out from under our shed. A huge surprise, and apparently they were big enough to leave within a couple of days.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    the world the kids went to was described as being very boring, drab, and regimented, that I (now) interpreted it as an allegory for the ever increasing complexity of modern life; the ultimate expression of Max Weber’s Iron Cage of Rationality.

    Ah, yes, fairly normal thoughts for an eight year old boy

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    the ultimate expression of Max Weber’s Iron Cage of Rationality.

    You thought that in third grade? // I haven’t seen the movie, so can’t comment on how it compares to the book, which I loved. Camazotz is not a reaction against reason but against enforced uniformity and concomitant stifling of individuality and creativity. Don’t know if Madeleine L’Engle had Malvina Reynolds’ “Little Boxes” in mind, but their depictions are on similar tracks.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Corner Stone:

    What was your safe word? Just for posterity.

    “Jurassic Park”.

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    SFAW says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    I didn’t remember much from the book that was read to me 14 years ago.

    No need to whine about it.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:
    WTF is that supposed to mean? I was just giving my opinion on a book I barely remembered. Christ almighty.

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    randy khan says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    I read it when I was in high school, and thought it was great. When someone suggested it for a book club, all of the women simultaneously said “I loved that book.” Then we read it for the book club, and it just didn’t click with anyone in the group. It reminded me of Catcher in the Rye (in just this one way, not any other way) – it was like it was a book you needed to read at a certain age, and if you read it later, it doesn’t really work.

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    SFAW says:

    @Corner Stone:

    There is an entire life out there outside of your lived experiences.

    Say WHAT???!!?!?!?!?

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    efgoldman says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I think Cole is back off the wagon.

    You say lots of shit that’s terrible, insulting or just plain incomprehensible, but this is a new low even for you.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Major Major Major Major:


    This part is important. That’s what I think now.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Corner Stone: Heh.

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    Sab says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Damn. I couldn’t get my guy to stay to the end. I told him the BJers said stay but he wouldn’t.

    I am looking forward to telling him he chose wrong.

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    Sab says:

    @Corner Stone: Too much projection here?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

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    lamh36 says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I’m flying in and out of Melbourne May 21-May 31

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @oatler.: It is scheduled to air next Sunday.

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    SFAW says:


    Damn. I couldn’t get my guy to stay to the end. I told him the BJers said stay but he wouldn’t.

    Please forgive the liberties I am about to take regarding your beloved (if he is that), but: Christ, what an asshole.

    Even were I inclined to scram before the end of the credits — which I’m not — were Mrs. SFAW to ask me to stay, I would. Because that’s what you do, as the saying goes.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @randy khan: I didn’t even like Catcher in the Rye at the requisite age. I felt somehow deficient about my indifference to the book, but wasn’t willing to be phony enough to pretend I gave a hoot about the uninteresting (to me) travails of Holden Caulfield.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Sab: No, if I had said, ” I think he’s back on the group BDSM sex and drug parties where people don’t respect your boundaries and are always looking for ways to blackmail you in real life.”
    That. Would have been projection.

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    lamh36 says:

    What can one do with an 8 hour layover in Los Angeles…besides schlepp round LAX?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: You were concerned about anti-rationalism in 3d grade?

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @randy khan: 2016 tRump was an oddity and circus freak show that fell in the midst of what is usually a serious season. The campaign got attention – lots of it – because it was so at odds with the “norms” of US politics. And the media ate it up because they were as entertained as they thought the nation was.

    2018-20 tRump is an embarrassment whose only redeeming feature is that he is neither a competent fascist nor a dyed-in-the-wool kulturkrieger like Pence (or even Bannon for that matter). And the humour is gone now that the joke is on the US and on the MSM.

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    SFAW says:

    @Corner Stone:

    That. Would have been projection.

    Count me surprised. I would not have thought people were attempting to blackmail you.

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    chris says:

    @efgoldman: ‘Tis the season. The little porkys (porcupettes) will be next and they’re very cute too.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    What can one do with an 8 hour layover in Los Angeles…besides schlepp round LAX?

    Drink heavily? //

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    @O. Felix Culpa: god, Holden is awful. That book isn’t a great read for people his age.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @SFAW: It’s in the attempt, my good sir. The attempt that makes life worth living.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You told me the rugby was on at 2:30, so at @:30, I tuned in. It turns out that we live in different time zones. I got in at minute 57.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Camazotz is not a reaction against reason but against enforced uniformity and concomitant stifling of individuality and creativity.

    That makes more sense, I guess.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Suzanne: I had been hoping it was, “KUSHNER!”

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    debbie says:

    Not one asshole in that audience called bullshit on Trump’s labeling an ex-Marine a “sham”?

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    Millard Filmore says:


    Pam Bondi Beach?

    The Beach got that name first!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    No problem.

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    See comment 76. I didn’t start worrying about that kind of thing until late HS.

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    lamh36 says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: LOL…unfortunately I don’t drink…but my friend is a frequent business traveler so she has an AdmiralS lounge pass and is able to bring 2 guests! SoI guess I’ll just have to make sure to bring my Ipad to watch movies with

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: There will be scandals that come to light because all the political appointees leak like sieves to settle their own scores. And because, as we’ve seen at HUD and Interior and EPA and other places because the career civil servants leak when they are ignored through the proper channels.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Sab: I’ve never read it. By the time that it was age appropriate, i was reading adult books. (Corner Stone, I didn’t mean it in that sense.) I missed a lot of YA type stuff.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    That makes more sense, I guess.

    I shall forgive you the weak concession signalled by “I guess” in light of your callow youth. Go forth and inform yourself with the primary source.

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    debbie says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I went back and reread Catcher in the Rye about 10 years ago and couldn’t figure out why I had liked it so much. So much whining.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dr. bloor: Let me make a call.//

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: I commented on the comment you wrote. The later comment provides context which was not present in the original. TYVM.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    she has an AdmiralS lounge pass and is able to bring 2 guests!

    You are fortunate in your choice of friends! Enjoy the lounge. They usually have nice nibbles and choice of beverages and comfy chairs for reading and video watching and snoozing, in no order of preference.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: You know what you did.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    Hate-watching a Trump rally? More like self-hate-watching.

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    Roger Moore says:


    What can one do with an 8 hour layover in Los Angeles

    Schedule a Balloon-Juice meetup?

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: my plan is to only spend a few days in Melbourne (2 maybe) fly to Sydney (at least 5 days) and fly back to Melbourne the day before our return flight to the US.

    that great deal my friend got ($297) round trip to Melbourne is so great that a flight from MEL to SYD is not a bad price to pay (i’m seinf $150RT so far) once u compare it to the usual price for round trip to SYD (last i looked at least $1600 RT). I’d be a fool to pass up the chance to visit Sydney when I’m a plane trip away i. MEL.

    Besides which, I’m finding it hard to find places/things i really want to do in Melbourne

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    Gvg says:

    @WaterGirl: it’s part of a quintet. 5 books. I know I haven ‘the read the 5th and I think I also missed the 4th. The 1st was written in 1962 and the last in 1989 so starting before I was born and going past when I was in high school, I think I aged out of interest for the last 2. Now my nephew is 10 and wants to see it. Actually he wants to see any movie he can talk us into….

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    Kay says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    My youngest hated it too.

    He got a good grade on that section for his vicious, no-holds barred criticism of that book :)

    I felt he went overboard, frankly, but I can see it. It’s more fun to write a bad review.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Corner Stone: That is true.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I missed a lot of YA type stuff.

    Minor point: Wrinkle in Time was published in 1962 as a children’s book, long before YA existed as a category.

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    Barbara says:

    @lamh36: Even in LA that is enough time to do at least one thing. I would look for a restaurant that really appeals to me. Or go to Venice Beach. It’s not too far away.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    So much whining.


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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I had no opinion regarding her race. Being white I assumed she was also, as otherwise the author would have mentionned it. I grew up in the 1960s South so I tend to be hyper-aware of race. I love that the movie apparently isn’t.

    Yeah, unless the name is extremely “foreign” (as in non-European) it can be hard to know the race of the author without a picture. For me, in relation to the writing, that usually doesn’t matter, but can add extra authenticity.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @lamh36: LAX is a bad base for an excursion as there’s not much touristy nearby and traffic is unspeakable even by LA standards. My recommendation is the Flyaway Bus to downtown or Hollywood. Either place has lots to do and see, but even the Flyaway will chew up a lot of an 8 hour layover.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @lamh36: Quite late in the fall. I would have suggested a stroll through the Royal Botanic Garden in Sydney, but that might be disappointing. And you’d have to ask a local, but when it’s reasonably warm a ferry ride out to Manly would be nice. But you’re getting into a pretty iffy weather time.

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    Barbara says:

    @randy khan: Maybe that’s why I didn’t like it. At 21 I had aged out of the zone of enchantment.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    The “I guess” was only an affectation of mine. Just conversational. Don’t think much of it.

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    Mike J says:

    If I were to go to Straya, I’d want to get a ride on an aussie 18, but you kinda need to know somebody and probably be better at sailing than I am.

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    Gretchen says:

    @oatler.: tonight’s 60 minutes was with Betsy DeVos, who was reportedly jaw-dropping ignorant about education and blissfully unaware that she was making a fool of herself. Stormy Daniels is scheduled for next week.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    He got a good grade on that section for his vicious, no-holds barred criticism of that book

    Your son and I would have been simpatico as teens. I loved skewering sacred cows, which oddly didn’t go over well in my ultra-conservative community. I of course felt righteous and – in retrospect – must have been insufferable. Karma gave me a son very much like me. :)

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    Doug R says:

    @lamh36: 8 hours should give you just enough time to take the trains to Hollywood and see Universal.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @lamh36: If you like to eat (as I do) there’s a lot to Melbourne.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Well, actually I did write the “now” in parentheses in the original, but it might not have been obvious.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Okay, I missed a lot of children’s books too. I went from Where The Wild Things Are to Sherlock Holmes. Something click in my head with reading and I never went through a time where late childhood and adolescent lit was my thing. Sort of like a sudden 6″ growth spurt.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Corner Stone:


    Invoking that asshole in a sexual setting would not just end that evening’s activity, but would definitely destroy any impulse to, uh, well, yeah…..for a really long-ass time.
    JKush is NOT HOT.

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    Kay says:

    I don’t hate-watch Trump. I can’t stand how he talks. That bragging honking- not the words but the actual sound- drives me up a wall.

    I did watch part of Biden’s speech for Lamb on CSPAN and it was good. I was surprised. Meandering but interesting. I like how he circles back around- the trip is pleasant enough you don’t mind all the detours. You’re like “where’s he going with this- oh, who cares, he’s driving”.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:


    el W. Drezner @ dandrezner
    By the end of this clip Lesley Stahl could have said “these aren’t the schools you’re looking for” and DeVos would have repeated the line verbatim.

    She come across as a less-confident Sarah Palin, a word-salad-shooter moment for the ages

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m sorry. I figured you would have adjusted for time zone. Please check your onscreen guide for next weekend’s games. I DVRed todays. Am going to watch it in a few minutes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    I remember in 3rd grade my teacher read us A Wrinkle in Time. It’s been a long time, but my initial impression of it was not good, because I thought the book was anti-rationalism/science, looking back on what I remember of it.

    The full text of the comment.

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    randy khan says:


    If you know you have an 8 hour layover, then go see something in LA. It’s enough time. The Los Angeles County Museum of Art and the La Brea Tar Pits (I know, odd combination, but they’re actually pretty close to each other) are about 20 minutes away from LAX. You can leave your checked luggage checked and just take your hand luggage with you, obviously leaving time to get through security (which can take a while in LA).

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Hey, I still got to see international level rugby. I shall be rooting for France.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh. Sorry. I confused that with another one I wrote.

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    Pete Downunder says:

    @lamh36: LAX is way better than it was, but 8 hours is an ordeal. Sadly there is nothing nearby that’s easily accessible. As to SYD – a few thoughts. Depending on weather and fitness the walk from Bondi Beach to Bronte Beach is really beautiful and good cafes at either end. Again if budget, weather and fitness permit the Harbour Bridge Climb is amazing. Less active is taking the ferry from Circular Quay (pronounced “key”) to Manly. About 1/2 hour through the Harbour to a nice walk along the beach. The ferry is pretty cheap.

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    Kay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    It was really bad. I don’t know why anyone thought she would be good at this. She’s a behind the scenes political operative, skulking around scheming and threatening state lawmakers. They never brought her out as the public face of …anything, and there was a reason for that.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @lamh36: Plus, be prepared that LAX-MEL is 15+ hours. That’s a long time if your head isn’t fully ready for it. You’ll likely land in the morning. Do *not* take a nap. Stay up and active until normal bedtime if at all possible.

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    James E. Powell says:


    I had the same experience about 20 years after high school. I remember laughing my ass off, but in the 90s, I didn’t think it was funny as much as it was sad. And like you said, too whiny.

    And if you say this to people who love the book they come at you with ‘talkin’ ’bout my mama!’ rage.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I get it. I was a literary omnivore too. Maybe because I had younger siblings, I read books for younger children while also reading the fun older stuff. I tended to glom onto an author and read EVERYTHING by that person and then move on to the next. I loved the Sherlock Holmes stories!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Pete Downunder: The Bridge climb is fucking armed robbery.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: My younger brother is 6 1/2 years younger than me. Too far apart for crossover.

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    debbie says:

    @James E. Powell:

    Exactly! My best friend was appalled when I asked why we had liked it so much.

    I had a project where I was going to reread all of the books that had meant so much to me, but that book was the end of it.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    I don’t hate-watch Trump. I can’t stand how he talks.

    I don’t know anyone who can hate-watch him. He’s just too awful to bear.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: There are three games on next Saturday. 8:30 AM EDT, 12:00 PM EDT, and 1:00 PM EDT. The first one is on NBC Sports, the second on the local NBC affiliate, and the 3rd on CNBC.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Pete Downunder:

    Less active is taking the ferry from Circular Quay (pronounced “key”) to Manly.

    We’ve all heard the Pogues version of The Band Played Waltzing Matilda. One learns “Strine” from the most unlikely sources.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I have to say I feel very let down. I just turned on a show titled Beat Bobby Flay. That title is completely false advertising. Not a single person was pummeling him with rolling pins or meat mallets or anything else you’d find in a kitchen and could do some damage with. Complete bait and switch.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I believe the France game is the late one. I anticipate being at work. I shall record. I do appreciate the heads-up – all mocking aside.

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    dmsilev says:

    @lamh36: 8 hours? During the day or at night? During the day, I’d suggest visiting the Getty Center. By LA standards, it’s not too far from the airport and it’s a great place to just walk around even if you have little interest in the art collection.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    And the media ate it up because they were as entertained as they thought the nation was.

    In fact, one prominent media platform — I think it was HuffPo — refused for most of the campaign to cover Trump under their “Politics” rubric and instead consigned him to the “Entertainment/Celebrity” pages. Not sure when they finally abandoned that editorial decision.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: No worries. I’m looking forward to watching all of them. England V Ireland on St. Patrick’s Day is going to be a fun one to watch.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @randy khan:

    The Los Angeles County Museum of Art and the La Brea Tar Pits (I know, odd combination, but they’re actually pretty close to each other) are about 20 minutes away from LAX.

    LACA/La Brea Tar Pits is fantabulous, but you’d need a car for that trip and 20 minutes is -um- optimistic. Mapquest says 32, and that’s without traffic.

    Venice Beach might be semi-reasonable by taxi.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The show you wanted was Flay Bobby Flay. That episode hasn’t been scheduled yet.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: My siblings and I were closer in age than you and your brother, so I got the benefit of exposure to kid’s books that they read. Interestingly (to me, at least), a favorite picture book that I was introduced to via my younger sister – Ezra Jack Keats’ The Snowy Day – was published the same year as Wrinkle in Time. The former won the Caldecott and the latter the Newbery Medal. Both awards well-deserved, IMHO.

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    Kay says:


    You just get the sense he’s been doing it so long. Decades, he’s been boring people to fucking tears with his dumb opinions on everything under the sun. I read that piece where they said his poor employees have to listen to the same stories over and over, down to the hand gestures and I was thinking “I KNEW it”.

    My mother in law had a rich boyfriend between her 1st and 2nd husband and I had to sit next to him at a college football game. EVERYTHING, he had an opinion, and so mean-spirited! You just got the sense people had been silently suffering listening to him for years, like it was their job. You may as well be a cardboard cut out he talks to. At.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: There are pubs that will be interesting in London.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Pete Downunder: I was wondering about weather for sure… arrival in MEL on May 21 and leaving May 31. What is the weather likely to be like? Long sleeves and pants and jacket? or full winter coat? Beginning of Fall or Winter?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: I know “The Snowy Day.”

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: You live in Wisconsin. Of course you do. //

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    James E. Powell says:


    A lot depends on when those 8 hours are and, more to the point, at what time and by what route will you be heading back to LAX.

    I am going to recommend you head down to the South Bay beaches and find something leisurely to do.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: I will cut you.

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    MomSense says:

    I cannot watch trump perform for the MAGAts. It’s horrifying. I can’t stand the sound of his stupid voice but watching him on mute is even more frightening than listening to him. His facial expressions are grotesque. Everything about him is grotesque.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I quake.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Gin & Tonic: oh yep Flight leaves overnight May 19 arrives in Melbourne May 21.

    This will be only my 2nd international flight, but my 1st was NYC to India…and that was almost a 15hr overnight flight as well…just not the extra day added on.

    After IndiaI swore my next International trip would be shorter, London or Paris maybe? But couldn’t pass up this deal to Australia…too good to be true

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: All right then.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Can I watch that one in IMAX 3D?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh36: You have to do Paris. And London.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I have no doubt.

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    Pete Downunder says:

    @lamh36: they say about MEL four seasons in a day. Can be absolutely anything. Plan on layers. May is our fall so it can be cool and there is nothing between MEL and the Antarctic but 3000 miles of vey cold water. SYD is more temperate. We have a good weather website with forecasts, radar etc. if you can get a front pager to give you my email I’ll send you some notes about Australia. Also be sure to read Bill Bryson’s In a Sunburned Country. Very funny and a great intro.

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    lamh36 says:

    @James E. Powell: Lord…but I’m a bit of a lazy sloth and it’s gonna be a full day of travel for me even before leaving LA… From DFW to ATL to LAX…

    the LAX layover is 1pm to 9pm…

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Bummer.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: There is a Packer bar in the 6th in Paris.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Pete Downunder: Ooh. Hey Adam S…get in on this email bit please…I need all the information i can get

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @WaterGirl: I lived and I saw good rugby.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore: I had the same first thought, and the immediately went to “who in their right mind would want to go to an airport if they didn’t have to?”

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    Yarrow says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Adam L Silverman: What rugby are you watching?

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    MomSense says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Is Flay the guy who had a tantrum when he was on some celebrity chef competition?

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    lamh36 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yallmay recall, I was actually planning to do that this summer with my nephew for his graduation present, but this Australia trip fell into my lap and I couldn’t resist.

    But I can promise you London & Paris are on my list

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    MomSense says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Thank you. I hated that book.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: Six Nations.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Gvg: That is quite a span of time, wow.

    Thanks to all for your answers on A Wrinkle in Time.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: Six Nations Championship. Next weekend’s games are:
    8:30 AM EDT – Italy V Scotland on NBC Sports
    12:00 PM EDT – England V Ireland on the local NBC affiliate
    1:00 PM EDT – Wales V France on CNBC


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh36: Gotcha.

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    randy khan says:


    The Getty is really interesting.

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    randy khan says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Mapquest said 20 minutes when I checked, but of course that was on a Sunday evening. Still, it’s an 8 hour layover, so if you burn an hour and a half in taxis or car share services to and from and leave 90 minutes for TSA, etc., that still is 5 hours to look at art and tar.

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    lamh36 says:

    Alright Juicers I’m going to bed…I’ve been talking to youse guys too long and missed my bedtime cutoff.

    Since I didn’t get any darn thing done I wanted to do as for as trip planning this weekend…y’all can guarantee that i’ll be asking more random travel questions for the rest of time until i actually leave for Australia…lol

    Peace out!!!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I had heard that.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Pete Downunder: @lamh36: Done!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Kay: Perhaps the DeVos appointment was part of a quid pro quo arrangement?

    edit: As to why she got Education? She’s a woman – giver her the schools.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Adam L Silverman: Thanks. I didn’t realize they were showing them on TV. They weren’t earlier, I don’t think.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @MomSense: I loved it. I think it really matters who the adolescent is.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MomSense: I have no idea. I just find him irritating.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: We are pro-France, right?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debbie: They say you can’t go home again. Maybe it’s like that?

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @lamh36: I’m checking out too. Gotta milk goats and make cheese starting early tomorrow. G’night all.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: Last year they were on one of the Fox Sports cable channels that don’t come with my package. So I was very glad when I actually stumbled on to them this weekend.

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    randy khan says:


    As to why she got Education? She’s a woman – giver her the schools.

    Department of Education would have been her first choice. She’s spent her life messing up schools in Michigan.

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    James E. Powell says:


    I’d suggest visiting the Getty Center. By LA standards, it’s not too far from the airport

    Grand idea. I didn’t think of that, but as long as you are not going to be heading back to LAX between 3-7 PM, Getty Center would be an excellent place to go. It was an April morning in 1998 when I first went to the Getty with my sister. I was looking out over the city and the bay and I thought, I should move here. And then I did.


    the LAX layover is 1pm to 9pm…

    Doesn’t a stroll along the strand seem like a good idea?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hmmm….against Wales, probably so. Ireland v England will probably be the most interesting of the matches. So far in this Six Nations I’ve most enjoyed watching Scotland play. They’ve improved a lot and really had England’s number.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: I think you need to be promising your nephew, not Omnes. :-)

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    Pete Downunder says:

    @lamh36: I sent a message to both Adam and AL to give you my email, hopefully one will come through. I don’t know MEL real well as I live in Brisbane and usually only visit SYD so can’t advise on things to do there, but everyone says the restaurants are great.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @randy khan: I had never heard of her before she joined the cabinet. I figure this was some sort of deal that involved her brother.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: If the US isn’t in, I call France.

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    @randy khan: Also really great views if the weather is cooperating.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s been difficult to get Six Nations. BBC America had them several years ago. At least the England matches. After that, BeIn Sports had all but the Scotland matches and they’d be replay only. For awhile the French channel carried the France matches but audio was of course in French. Then NBC got the rights to the Rugby World Cup and various other matches (Premiership) and it all changed again.

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    fuckwit says:

    @Baud: “focus on” == ratfuck.

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    fuckwit says:

    @James E. Powell: Getting on the 405 at any hour, any day, is ill advised. Getty Center is right in the thick of the traffic. I wouldn’t risk it.

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    Ruckus says:

    Well, look who hired her. drumpf can’t allow anyone smarter than him to work for him, unless he can lord something over them. Lamp posts can be blonde as well as orange.

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    @fuckwit: I think they do close at 5pm so there would still be 4 hours to get back to LAX.

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    lamh36 says:

    @WaterGirl: HA…nephew understood that I could pass the deal up…he was disappointed but cutthroat with his request for a consolation prize……LOL

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    Ruckus says:

    @Fair Economist:
    I’d not risk leaving LAX. It just takes too long to get anywhere and back and then you have to go through security. And at LAX that can take a while. Quite a while. There really is no reasonable transit around there to anywhere else and back.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Pete Downunder: Cool. I got the email from Adam S! I really just have some basic questions…that I’d really love to pick ur brain about…Give me a couple of days and I’ll send along my questions by Wednesday at the latest!

    Thx in advanced…and thx Adam for sending along the email!

    Alright for real now…good night BJ

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I just read about JRK on Wikipedia. I knew nothing about him. Fascinating story!

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    Tom Levenson says:

    @lamh36: taxi, Uber up to Santa Monica, walk on the beach, have dessert on the promenade etc. Alternately, do much the same at Playa del Rey, wh. is even closer to LAX and much more funky/relaxed. Or do the Venice thing— a meal/window shopping on Abbot Kinney, stroll th3 canals, @nd check out Muscle Beach etc. down on the ridiculous boardwalk. That’s all w/in 20 minutes drive or so (less for the Playa) from the airport.

    Or go downtown and 3njoy the LA County museum. Way cool. 8 hours is plenty to get out and back and have a little fun.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @lamh36: I know it is a tourist trap but while in Sydney you should really try to visit the “Old Sydney” place. It is a bit like Colonial Williamsburg for comparison but it is interesting and I really enjoyed my time there. Very educational.

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    SgrAstar says:

    @randy khan: Second the recommendation of LACMA with the La Brea tar pits and the associated little Page Museum. They’re all in the same park. I absolutely love the tar pits…they are fascinating.

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    Ruckus says:

    I believe it was him. He is just a bit pompous. OK that’s wrong, he’s full on asshole pompous.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @dmsilev: @WaterGirl:

    The other two books in the original trilogy are not so much later, as Charles Wallace remains a little kid, but they are much heavier, lit. and fig. You can get kinda lost in the Welsh names and might-have-beens. Wrinkle in Time might seem heavy-handed, and I can see @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷‘s point, but it has a clearer storyline, and I also loved Meg from my first reading. You go, @aliasofwestgate!

    L’Engle added on Many Waters quite a while later, and that has a whole different feel of its own.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: LOVE the Snowy Day book. It’s been extended into a movie, and I was thrilled to see that the people who made the movie clearly loved the book, too. They amped up Peter’s family’s New York & African American pride and also tipped their hat to Keats’ Jewish background, and hey my youngun liked it a lot.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Yes, and on top of that I find his prepared dishes both uninspired and uninteresting. Roasted corn kernels can only go so far in a recipe.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Lyrebird: Our three year old watches the Snowy Day movie/cartoon about once a week. It’s pretty fantastic – well done, lots of positive examples, etc.

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    Ruckus says:

    Those of you offering things for lamh 36 to do in LA , remember when she gets there 1 pm. She’s almost into afternoon traffic and by the time she gets a cab and gets anywhere a lot of the things would be closed or it will be dark. When I used to fly out of LAX a lot I used to leave the house 2 1/2-3 hrs before my flight to get through traffic, to get through security, to check in so they wouldn’t give away my seat…….. You just never know how LAX is going to be. I’ve been there when it looked deserted and I’ve been there when you couldn’t move 20 ft in a straight line in any direction. And far more times packed than deserted or even close. In 2016, LAX handled 80,921,527 passengers. I’m pretty sure I’ve been there on a day when 5% of them were as well. As to traffic etc remember that LA county is over 10 million, largest populated county in the US. LA county population is larger than 41 states. And on some days we all seem to want to go to or by the airport.

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    NotMax says:


    Time sufficient to work up a lengthy list of creative punishments for whoever set up an itinerary with an 8 hour layover.

    If one has Netflix, can download shows or movies beforehand onto a tablet to watch without having to get online.

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    dww44 says:

    @WaterGirl: Her appointment was a quid pro quo;not because of her infamous brother, Erik Prince. But because of all the money her family has given to Republicans, and after all, as she said tonight to Leslie Stahl who asked why she was cutting billions from public schools and giving the monies to charters and private schools, both religious and not, billions have been given to public schools and no improvements have resulted.

    She also got the appointment, because, like her fellow cabinet members, she’s only interested in dismantling government, not improving it. I did love the comebacks from those Parkland kids who gave her a hard time about her photo op appearance there. But, as she said to Stahl, she is going to head a commission to look into how schools can be made safer. I heard no mention of guns before I changed channels. I really really can no longer listen to Trump, his cabinet, his staff, nor any of his supporters.

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    NotMax says:


    Uh huh. Billions have been spent on curing cancer yet people are still dying from it. So let’s divert that money to faith healers and snake oil peddlers. How about it, Madame Secretary?

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    MoCA Ace says:

    So do I,,, every time I see or hear the orange fart cloud.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    Dammit… meant to write EJK — Ezra Jack Keats.

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    Jay says:


    She’s big on Charter Schools for Profit Grift. Lot’s of money invested.

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    @Ruckus: I’m not sure I’m quite as absolutest as you are, but I think anything under five miles would be doable, just making sure she’s on her way back to LAX by 5pm. Venice would work as would some of the South Coast beach areas. I agree DTLA, LACMA, and the Getty would be too risky.

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    SectionH says:

    @lamh36: probably too late to post this reply, but maybe you’ll catch it later. Sydney’s wonderful to visit. And the weather’s better. Melbourne’s the better place to live, at least according to my friends who live there. Ahhem. If you just have a couple of days in Melbourne after a Transpac flight, idk, there are lots of great neighborhoods. Pick a hotel that sounds good – not the airport, it’s not convenient, sleep a lot, and walk around. The transit system is really good, but there are trains, trams, and buses. I haven’t been back in a while, but I will pester ppl for reccies.

    @Litlebritdifrnt: The one time (our 1st trip, of course) we did a tourist dinner-formercial in The Rocks, it was actually more enjoyable and informative than I’d expected. And they had really good and strong Long Island Tea, never mind what they called it.

    ETA [ lamh, ride the ferries in Sydney. Public ferries – start in Circular Quay (pronounced “key”) and they go all over the harbor(u)r. Best value for money ever. You can get to the Zoo on one, Balmain, tons of places.

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    Ruckus says:

    Back a few decades ago I lived 6-8 miles from LAX in west LA. So I have to ask, what is within 5 miles of LAX that is worth the hassle? The traffic then was crap, it’s only gotten a lot worse. Remember this is someone not from around here who has to take some form of public transit and return to the airport. It’s going to be close to 2 by the time she gets a cab or an uber, and like I said go where? There is passable food at LAX, she has access to the upper class lounge…….. If she had a 12 hr layover that to me would be more than enough time to do stuff. Personally I’d set my phone alarm and lay down on the floor and take a good nap. But then I’ve had to do that a few times.

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    Jack Canuck says:

    @lamh36: Might have missed you at this point, but I’ve been living in Melbourne for the last twelve years (moved here from Vancouver). I might be able to fill in some gaps that Pete Downunder can’t help with for this town.

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    Ruckus says:

    They really are the assholes we used to read about that would show up in a town in a wagon and sell crap that cured everything from warts to hangnails to diseases that couldn’t be discussed in mixed company. The products cured every thing but stupid. Curing that would take away the profit.
    ETA And look at their current customers. I do believe that a box of rocks is smarter. At least more useful.

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    SectionH says:

    @Ruckus: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    There’s a bunch of stuff down on El Segundo that you get to from LAX by going over to Sepulveda and then hanging a left at El Segundo (or short-cutting if the traffic’s bad). You don’t need to go near a freeway. You guys don’t get that far south often, do you? Ok, so I spent too many years working at a convention at one of the LAX hotels on Century. But hell, we might have to drive up for lamh*. I’m a couple of years out of date on the actual restaurants place I’m thinking of, but there are a some slightly farther away/more complicated options.

    *so someone would have a car

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    SectionH says:

    @Jack Canuck: awesome! I’ll be taking notes too!

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    Fair Economist says:


    I had the same first thought, and the immediately went to “who in their right mind would want to go to an airport if they didn’t have to?”

    In the airport? Nuts. In a nearby hotel restaurant with a shuttle to LAX? Not necessarily nuts.

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    NotMax says:


    Do airports even have lockers anymore? Having to lug around carryy-on bag(s) on an excursion would seem to be more than an inconvenience.

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    Sebastian says:

    @James E. Powell:
    The 405 south from the 101 to southbay is a parking lot until 8pm. Ghetty is futile.

    I wish people would stop looking at Mapquest for LA traffic estimates. Folks, please be reasonable, those tools know nothing.

    The best bet is probably Venice. Santa Monica is too far and traffic around Promenade just sucks.

    It’s 25-30 minutes from LAX to the Boardwalk and Muscle Beach. Check out Windward Ave for the iconic Venice sign and Rose Ave for the clown ballerina and Mecca of Bodybuilding. Restaurants are everywhere.

    If your flight is at 9, leave Venice by 6:30. It’ll probably take you 45 minutes to LAX, max an hour. The driver has multiple routes to LAX, so you won’t be stuck. This should give you solid 4-5 hours of entertainment and California sunshine and vibes.

    Also, weed is now recreational in CA. Just sayin’ …

    (I live in Venice and drive to and from LAX all the time and at different times of day)

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    Jay says:


    These day’s, if you are savvy, your carry on has your documents, your devices, socks, underwear, t-shirt, toiletries, at a minimum.

    That way, when the SHTF, as it all too often does, you have enough minor comforts not to feel like a baglady, when your flight finally departs.

    I fly with an MEC Packbag. It’s a suitcase, a backpack, and a daypack, combined. The backpack get’s checked, the daypack is carry on.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Ruckus: I totally get the concern about leaving LAX. 8 hours, though – that really is enough time to do something, as long as there’s a fairly direct way to get there and back (so, shuttle, Flyaway, or cab, since public transport there is still a joke). Given the time, roughly 1/2 hour out, 1 hour back, 1/2 hour waiting, and 2 hours early for an international flight, and there’s still 3 hours left over. Maybe 4 for Venice or Manhattan Beach.

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    NotMax says:


    Was referring to having to lug it/them around on an outside the airport excursion during lamh’s 8 hour layover.

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    Jay says:


    Mine fully loaded, weighs maybe 10 lbs. Has all the stuff you don’t want to lose, have stolen, plus everything you need ( birth cert, passport, lawyers numbers) to keep the American Gestapo at bay,

    Plus a semi change of clothes and enough toiletries to turn a gas station washroom into a spa.

    Not much of a “lugaround”,

    Plus, it’s a daypack, so water and snacks.

    The only thing wrong with it these days, is on flights, can’t have the Gerber tool, lighters, flashlight, nail clippers, etc because of the Statzi.

    Back in the day when you could, I lived off the contents for almost a week in Dallas, when my luggage when to YVR, and my flight wasn’t going anywhere.

    It’s when I came up with the concept of an Airport Vending Machine, that sold socks, underwear, tshirts, toiletry kits, etc. When we could actually fly again, most of my copassengers were pretty rank.

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    SectionH says:

    @Fair Economist: Sensible post, ty. The not-so-little anymore shopping/restaurant area on El Segundo is admittedly a very conservative option, but it’s there. Manhattan Beach was obvsly the 1st backup I was thinking about.

    I’m backing off here. I reread lamh’s actual posts about her trip. I think she’s travelling with a FF friend (srsly cheap ticket, access to AAdmirals Club, etc) so I’d love it if she’s up for something with Juicers, but that’s her call. I’ve opinionated way too much already.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @rikyrah: I really liked it, a lot. I haven’t worked through exactly what about the plot & characters I want to talk about precisely, but any movie that turns me into a book recommender & evangelist to people who were in the theater with me made a good impression.

    The movie was visually beautiful. And faithful to the source material’s reading level. (That is, because it’s not based on a YA novel which is 13+, it’s Middle Grade for 8-12 year olds, though I used to recommend it to the more fluent readers of 10+). The calibration of the PG movie to the original source material of a children’s novel was perfect.

    I’m putting in a plug for the 3D (with the usual caveats that I’m aware it’s not for everyone). Loved the visuals. Really enjoyed the shallow depth of field & how DuVernay used it. Liked what she did to highlight POV by shifting the focus of the 3D.

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    Fair Economist says:


    The only thing wrong with it these days, is on flights, can’t have the Gerber tool, lighters, flashlight, nail clippers, etc because of the Statzi.

    The Statzi does now allow nail clippers and some flashlights.

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    Ruckus says:

    At the price of the ticket lamh said they were paying, I could do an 8 hour layover at the Detroit airport. And with a smile on my face.

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    Ruckus says:

    I seem to recall that all the lockers were removed, one never knows what someone might put in one of those. Two or thee days a liverwurst and onion sandwich would have grown hair and cleared out a stadium.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @NotMax: No lockers in airports since the Unabomber. Remember that guy? He spoiled it for the rest of us.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jay: `
    My best you can’t get there from here today story is at ATL. Arrived on time, amazingly and was ready to board the last flight of the day out to back home. That flight isn’t going to move a foot so they put us up in a motel. By the time the mini bus got to the airport and we drove all the way across town to the crappiest hotel on the planet it was 3am. Driver told us he’d be back at 5am to pick us up. Next time it happened, which of course it did, I just walked over to a corner of the terminal and laid down on the floor and had a sleep. It was far better than the motel. I have more stranded in the ATL stories, like being run out by the NG with M16s on 9/11. I like the ATL.

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    @lamh36: Santa Monica and Venice aren’t too far away. Good for people watching and the beach. Getty Center is on a hill near Santa Monica. So-so art collection, magnificent views.

    If you just wanna hang out at the beach, closer but less interesting are Marina del Rey and Playa del Rey.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    It was published while I was in high school and I never read it. But I recently tried to listen to it on audio book and I didn’t like it. I feel totally out of step because I have friends who love that book.

    You’re not alone. The fooferaw about its Newberry (look! RESPECTABLE fantasy, for serious people! Not those dumb nerds!) happened when I’d been reading sf/fantasy for enough years that I found it… extremely juvenile.

    Also, as a proto-animist in a parochial school, the author’s theology irked me. Everything is connected! Everything matters! Chaos is an essential element of… OMG WE MUST QUICKLY RUN HIDE UNDER SKY-DADDY’S PROTECTION!!!!

    I showed the trailer to my Spousal Unit, who’s a couple years older than I am & also an early sf reader, without comment. He said he read the book in high school, but “too much Screwtape for me.”

    It’s an important book to a lot of people, and presumably the movie isn’t as Christianist as L’Engle meant the book to be. So, I can be glad it’s out there, even if we probably won’t get around to watching it, at least on a big screen.

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    I’ll also second heading south from LAX to El Segundo or Manhattan Beach as another alternative. Not too far, avoids some of the worst of the traffic.

    Resist the temptation to rent a car for the afternoon. LAX rental cars and offsite and busy, even if you’ve got preferred membership and just pick up the car once you arrive, getting there and back will chew up valuable time.

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    David Evans says:

    I read A Wrinkle In Time quite recently. The characters and the story were fine, but as a long-time science fiction buff I thought the explanation of the tesseract, and why possessing one would give you such powers, was confusing. How do you choose where/when to go? Maybe I’m asking too much of a fantasy, but then it should not have strayed into mathematics.

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    SectionH says:

    @Anne Laurie: I’m pretty sure I read it in the 4th grade, when dinosaurs, etc. – I hadn’t read much SF/F then except Verne. I liked the book, but even then, the [spoilers] end didn’t entirely work for me.

    What I liked mostly was Meg, and that the story was really hers.

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    lowtechcyclist says:

    How do you choose where/when to go?

    In the book, they clearly didn’t have much if any control over that. “Going to Camazotz was a complete accident. I never intended even to leave our own solar system. I was heading for Mars.”

    But you’re right, how they thought they could choose Mars is unexplained. And clearly by the time Mr. Murry tessers, they’ve got little if any reason to think someone who tessers away can successfully tesser back home, since the first guy who tessered hadn’t returned after a year.

    So why did they send a second man – Mr. Murry – off into the unknown? In 1962, that question needed less answering, I think. If your context for reading the book was the early Cold War and air raid drills and the first Mercury astronauts, it just fits in. It’s not a plot hole for me because I’m from that era.

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    lowtechcyclist says:

    @WaterGirl: Re the ‘trilogy’, as others have said, the movie is just A Wrinkle In Time.

    It’s not really a trilogy, which I would define as a unified story spread over three books. The other books are just sequels. Nothing wrong with sequels, but in this case: A Wrinkle In Time is one of my favorite books ever, and I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve re-read it. The sequels are OK but forgettable, IMHO: check them out of the library, read them once, return them, done.

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    Robert Sneddon says:

    @Yarrow: I was working at Murrayfield stadium for the Scotland-England match and got to see the last part of the game from trackside. Like most Scots I expected the team to choke at the end and lose gloriously but someone lost the script.

    The tram back into the city centre was jam-packed with jubilant Scots fans, rocking from side to side as they celebrated. It didn’t QUITE tip over.

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    Anne Laurie says:


    As to why she got Education? She’s a woman – giver her the schools.

    Worse than that, even. Destroying public schools has long been deVos’ mission — she wants all kids to have a “choice” between Hardcore Fundivangelical Indoctrination and… nothing. Warehousing for the schools-to-prisons pipeline, for “those” people, i.e. everyone who is not part of Betsy deVos’s barony. And she wants us taxpayers to pay for both of those choices, but not to have any chance of escaping the Fundivangelical cult through proper education.

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    captnkurt says:

    @Corner Stone: Trump started campaigning LITERALLY the day he took office. He filed the paperwork with the Federal Election Commission to run in 2020 just hours after he was inaugurated.

    Sooooo… if and when the next Supreme Ct. Justice steps down or dies, surely Mitch McConnell will hold the seat vacant “until the American People decide who will be their next President”. Just like he did for practically all of the last election cycle. Right?

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    Ol' Froth says:

    Post-Gazette endorsed Saccone, because he’s “moderate” and Lamb will vote for impeachment. The P-g’s cowardly non-endorsement during the presidential race was strike one. Their racist MLK day editorial was strike 2. Endorsing Saccone? Strike 3. I renewed my subscription for a year last month, I’ll be cancelling it now.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: Fortunately NBC Sports is doing better than how they handled the Olympics coverage.

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    TerryC says:

    @Ruckus: “At the price of the ticket lamh said they were paying, I could do an 8 hour layover at the Detroit airport. And with a smile on my face.”

    We operate two disc golf courses and a pro shop only 15 minutes from Detroit Metro. We get customers coming in who are on long layovers at the airport.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Robert Sneddon: That must have been fantastic! Scotland have improved a lot this last year.

    @Adam L Silverman: Aren’t they just bringing across the feed from the UK? That’s the best way not to muck it up.

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    Ruckus says:

    I must admit I haven’t been to the Detroit airport in probably 20 yrs. It was not my favorite airport, among quite a few not favorites. But I seem to remember that it was not well cared for back then. And it begs the question, what if you aren’t a golfer? On a similar note I have to confess that my hometown airport LAX is no dream destination either. It’s almost always crowded, for the number of people it puts through it’s way too small, it looks like it was designed in the 50s by Buck Rodgers, on a hangover…….

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