Open Thread: Cooooooohhhhhn!

Yeah, wrong time of day to contemplate this fustercluck, but I feel some weird responsibility to get it into the record before it’s overtaken by the next spate of Trump-fueled insanity…

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    Baud says:

    I hope Cohn shorted the market.

    As any good globalist would.

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    Fast food exec for the National Economic Council, well Trump does like fast food*.

    *Per Wolffe, it’s because he’s afraid of being poisoned.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    And it’s midweek.

    Predictions on when we hit Dow 20000? How about 15000?

    On CNBC, they’ll grin and talk about “great buying opportunities” as NATO dies in a whimper.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    raven says:

    Georgia Lawmakers Did the Right Thing for the Wrong Reason on Delta and the NRA

    While Republican officials were the target of many jokes on late night talk shows, they actually did the right thing here. Delta did not need this kind of corporate welfare. It is not some struggling startup business—it is a multinational corporation that reported pre-tax profits of $5.5 billion in 2017. If legislators had given Delta that tax break, it would have deprived the struggling Clayton County school system of millions of badly needed tax dollars each year (much of the Atlanta airport is located within Clayton).

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Mr. Putin on line 3 for Mr Manafort:

    The second person found unconscious in Salisbury alongside the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal is his 33-year-old daughter. Yulia Skripal was discovered on a bench next to her father on Sunday and is in a critical condition in hospital. She lives in Russia but was visiting the UK, the BBC reported, adding that relatives had not heard from her for two days. The apparent poisoning of the pair follows the death of Skripal’s wife, Liudmila, in 2012. She arrived in Britain with her husband – who was swapped in 2010 as part of a spy exchange – and had lived with him in Wiltshire. A certificate recorded the cause of her death on 23 October 2012, aged 59, as “disseminated endometrial carcinoma”. Skripal’s son also died recently, aged 43, on a visit to St Petersburg with his girlfriend, the BBC has reported.

    “I will rape and kill your wife. Then I will disembowel your children while watch helplessly. Then, only when everything you love in this world has been taken from you, you will die a most excruciating death.”

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Predictions on when we hit Dow 20000? How about 15000?

    If it helps any, remember that during the early Watergate period, Garry Trudeau had a cartoon with his businessmen characters telling each other, Once the Dow hits [status minus 30%], get the dam’ rope!

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    Shalimar says:

    Decades-old domestic assault allegations? Trump wants a fighter. Does Puzder still have it after all this time allegedly not beating up women?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Marcus Smallwood told Carson in an email on Tuesday that Hud’s civil servants were working in fear after the demotion of his colleague Helen Foster and Carson’s rejection of her claims.
    “Helen Foster is not the only person at Hud that has been persecuted in this witch-hunt under your watch,” Smallwood, Hud’s director of records management, wrote in the email, which he shared with the Guardian. “She is the only person who has been brave enough to stand on principle and put her career, reputation, and livelihood on the line. The rest of us have operated in fear.”

    Raffi Williams, a spokesman for Hud, said: “Mr Smallwood’s email is under review.”

    “Will no one rid me of this troublesome Priest?”

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    Found this tweeted comment that seems appropriate for departing WH staff;

    “Trump doesn’t take your dignity, he makes you give it over willingly.”

    I have absolutely no sympathy for the abuse and humiliation these snivelling lickspittles endure….they signed up for this of their own free will.

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    Joyce H says:

    I’ll probably also post to a later open thread, but you early risers can be the first to avail yourself of the opportunity to buy my newly released Regency romance:

    A Town and Country Season

    Twins! Impersonations! Misunderstandings!

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    Chyron HR says:


    This just makes Wilmer want to vote against the Magnitsky act again.

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    Panorama from my shoot on Monday of DTLA with Mt. San Antonio.

    I’m trying a new thing for very large panoramas, let me know if it works, thanx.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Worked great day for me. I like the airplane on the right. The whole panorama is fabulous.

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    Baud says:

    OT. More Republicans running to Hillary’s left.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A majority of Republican lawmakers in the tightest congressional races are changing their message on guns, expressing new support for restrictions after last month’s high school shooting in Florida, according to a Reuters review of the candidates’ public statements.

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    @Baud: It’s really, really detailed 33(x3 for exposure bracketing) 28 megapixel files.

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    Baud says:

    I wonder what Devos’s position will be on this. (WSJ).

    Private lenders are pushing to break up the government’s near monopoly in the $100 billion-a-year student-loan market.

    The banking industry’s main lobbying group, the Consumer Bankers Association, is pressing for the government to instate caps on how much individual graduate students and parents of undergraduates can borrow from the government to cover tuition.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I pulled it up on my phone with no problems.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    I knew I felt a great disturbance in the Force. It was as if thousands of puffy, pasty camo clad chinbeard cosplayers sobbed and cleaved their Emotional Support AR15s to their chest in worry…

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    @Baud: I can upload a smaller version on to Flickr, but you really can’t zoom all the way to full size(or greater), with this site you can. I’ve got a couple more panos I’ll upload in the next day or so.

    In that pano you can see: the Hollywood Sign, Griffith Observatory, Dodger Stadium, San Gabriel Peak, Mt. Lowe, Mt. Markem, Mt. Wilson, Mt. San Antonio, Mt. San Gregornio, and Mt. San Jacinto.

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    raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: It looks really good. What are the building next to the Coliseum? We saw the towers on our 4 trips to Pasadena. Where would the Rose Bowl be on the shot, I know it’s down in the Arroyo but the general area?

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    I’m loving it – “your scientifically designed and wholly accurate credit score and report that our affiliates have compiled in our favor don’t indicate that you should get this student loan at the low rate. We do, however, have a product available that can cover about 43% of your projected need at a 13% rate. You’ll just have to tighten your belt!”

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    Baud says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Getting banks out of student lending is one of the things that the Dems did when they passed the ACA.

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    @raven: New soccer stadium for LA FC. You can’t see much of Pasadena, but if you draw a line straight down from the towers on Mt. Wilson that would be about where the Rose Bowl is, maybe a bit to the left of that line due to the angle of the shot.

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    @raven: Looks like some Georgia fans are in my old seats.

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    Schlemazel says:

    très sympa

    Although I am reminded of a scene from “Amadeus”. “Too many notes. There are only so many notes one can hear at a time and this is too many.” You could spend all day looking at all the details of that picture.

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    Baud says:

    @raven: That’s pretty cool too.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Good morning, jackals.

    Had a good laugh before coffee. CNN’s Headline News, with Robin “What, me a newscaster, sunshine?” Meade — ran a clip of Trump assuring a press conference that the White House had its pick of the top ten experts in any field for staffing, everyone wants to work in the White House; believe the overused word was “tremendous” — anyhoo:

    Headline News ran a color photo of a group of White House staff being sworn in a year or so ago, mentioned the staff turnover (Bannon, Flynn, Hope Hicks, Spicer, etc.) and ran the same photo with the “departed” in B&W. It was hilarious.

    As was Trump’s straight faced lying, which proceeded it. White House has no problem with staffing, everyone wants to work in the White House, staff are happy campers.

    Actually, let’s go to the transcript. Yesterday’s joint presser, with Swedish PM Löfven: Trump used the word “tremendous” 8 times, and mainly about working conditions at the White House:

    Q Sir, you tweeted today that you would like to see some change in the people around you. Does that include your Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, or either of your Cabinet secretaries?

    PRESIDENTTRUMP: No, I don’t really talk about that. I just said that the White House has tremendous energy. It has tremendous spirit. It is a great place to be working.

    Many, many people want every single job. You know, I read where, “Oh, gee, maybe people don’t want to work for Trump.” And believe me, everybody wants to work in the White House. They all want a piece of that Oval Office; they want a piece of the West Wing. And not only in terms of it looks great on their résumé; it’s just a great place to work.

    It’s got tremendous energy. It’s tough. I like conflict. I like having two people with different points of view, and I certainly have that. And then I make a decision. But I like watching it, I like seeing it, and I think it’s the best way to go. I like different points of view.

    But the White House has a tremendous energy, and we have tremendous talent. Yeah, there will be people — I’m not going to be specific — but there will be people that change. They always change. Sometimes they want to go out and do something else. But they all want to be in the White House. So many people want to come in. I have a choice of anybody. I could take any position in the White House, and I’ll have a choice of the 10 top people having to do with that position. Everybody wants to be there.

    And they love this White House because we have energy like rarely before. Okay? Thank you very much.

    I never watch Trump, if I can manage it, but the grade schooler vocabulary level is striking.


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    Baud says:

    Some justice. (BBC)

    A Kansas man has pleaded guilty to killing a tech worker from India and injuring two others at a pub last year.

    Adam Purinton, 52, shot Srinivas Kuchibhotla and Alok Madasani at Austin’s Bar and Grill in Olathe in February 2017.

    Witnesses said Purinton opened fire with a handgun after shouting: “Get out of my country!”


    After the attack, the gunman drove away before stopping at a restaurant in Missouri to tell a staff member he had just shot two Iranians.

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    WereBear says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Fast food exec for the National Economic Council, well Trump does like fast food*.

    *Per Wolffe, it’s because he’s afraid of being poisoned.

    What, he thinks he’s a KING?

    Or is it a Russian thing?

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    p.a. says:

    The Apprentice: World Superpower Edition.

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    Elizabelle says:

    More looking over the transcript word “very” appears 50 times. Trump himself uses it 40 times. And look at its use in his answer about Russian meddling:

    Q Thank you. This is an election year for both of our countries, and I want to ask you, Mr. Trump: What do you think Sweden should learn from how the Russian influence campaign affected the presidential election in the U.S.?

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, the Russians had no impact on our votes whatsoever. But, certainly, there was meddling and probably there was meddling from other countries and maybe other individuals. And I think you have to be really watching very closely. You don’t want your system of votes to be compromised in any way. And we won’t allow that to happen.

    We’re doing a very, very deep study, and we’re coming out with some, I think, very strong suggestions on the ’18 election. I think we’re going to do very well on the ’18 election, although, historically, those in the White House have a little bit of a dip. But I think we’re going to do well because the economy is so good and because we’re protecting our job, like — our jobs are being protected, finally, like with what we’re doing with the tariffs.

    But the big thing would be the tax cut and the regulations cuts. Also, the judges. I mean, we have outstanding judges. Judge Gorsuch in the Supreme Court, and many, many judges going onto the bench all over the country.

    So I think we’re going to do very well, and I think it will be a tremendous surprise [bonus word!] to people how well. The economy is so good; jobs are so good. Black unemployment, Hispanic unemployment at all-time lows. I mean, we’re really doing well.

    So based on that, I guess we should do pretty well, and I hope so. But you have to be very vigilant. And one of the things we’re learning is, it’s always good — it’s old-fashioned, but it’s always good to have a paper back-up system of voting. It’s called “paper,” not highly complex computers — paper. And a lot of states are doing that. They’re going to a paper backup, and I think that’s a great idea.

    But we’re studying it very closely. Various agencies, including Homeland Security, are studying it very carefully.

    Q But are you worried about Russia trying to meddle in the midterm election?

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, because we’ll counteract whatever they do. We’ll counteract it very strongly. And we are having strong backup systems. And we’ve been working, actually — we haven’t been given credit for this, but we’ve actually been working very hard on the ’18 election and the ’20 election coming up. Thank you very much.

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    Schlemazel says:

    The russian thing. SEE: @OzarkHillbilly:

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    WereBear says:

    @Schlemazel: That belatedly occurred to me, and sounds legit :)

    They may have long and opulent lives, this bunch, but it also comes with a level of posturing and stress that would give me a nervous breakdown.

    No thanks. No outlaw life for me.

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    @Schlemazel: Wait until you see the one shot from Mt. Lowe.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    Yes, but that was to hide the fact that they’re neoliberal corporate shills. Remember, Hillary gave speeches at Goldman Sachs, so vote for Doctor Saint Homeowners Association President Jill Stein.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Elizabelle: I can no longer afford to read or hear any words that exit trump’s mouth, because every time I do more of my brain cells commit ritual seppuku.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Elizabelle: Thank you for posting the transcript. I do not watch when he is on TV, as he is so detestable. Reading what he says is better.

    And thanks for the cool Panoramas, BillinG and Raven.

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    @Elizabelle: Asshole doesn’t understand that he’s still running on the gas Obama put in the tank and he keeps shooting at the tank.

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    Kay says:


    #RedforEd so far has emerged organically among their Facebook group of educators, said Derek Harris, a teacher at Dietz K-8 School in Tucson and one of the teachers behind the event. They want to keep it that way. “We’re hoping this becomes something very teacher-driven, very educator-driven,” he said.
    Harris said that within their coalition of educators, they don’t have a concrete agenda yet, and there’s no plan for a strike. Mostly, they want to organize and draw attention to the intertwined funding and teacher shortage crises.

    Strikes happen in cities like Chicago all the time, but it’s “totally different” to watch educators strike in West Virginia, he explained.
    “That emboldened all of us,” Karvelis said. “Especially because they’re in a right-to-work state, they have a Republican governor, and they’re getting paid better than what we’re getting paid.”

    Admittedly, “everyone wear red” is a baby step, but a step’s a step :)

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    When he uses vaguely modifying adjectives like “very”, “fabulous”, “tremendous” or others (I’ve not checked his adverb use), he’s lying. It’s an old promoter/developer trick – keep talking it up.

    He’s a complete zero sum moron, and that is the only tool in his kit. The reason why it works is because he was born so wealthy that he never suffered the same consequences that most of them do – he always had a soft landing and a willing crowd of obsequious toadies who were willing to surrender their dignity for a short term paycheck.

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    Schlemazel says:

    It is worse to read because then I hear that annoying voice in my head. I find myself unable to ever forgive the people I know who voted for him. It borders on rage

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    Baud says:


    It’s especially easy not to forgive because they don’t feel sorry and aren’t apologizing.

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    MomSense says:

    I keep thinking of what my grandmother used to say about the Great Depression. “If you had nothing when it started, you didn’t miss it when it was gone”

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    Elizabelle says:

    Last, note Swedish PM Löfven’s more specific response to a question on election interference:

    Q Mr. Löfven, are you guys on the same page when it comes to evaluating the threat from Russia when it comes to meddling in elections, you think?

    PRIME MINISTER LÖFVEN: Well, we both agree upon that the election in a country should — the result of the election in a country should be decided by nobody else but the voters in that country. And that is also our clear stance.

    And that is why our intelligence agencies now also increase in their own capacity to detect and counter, whether it’s hacker attacks or financing, or producing or spreading propaganda, whatever it is. We are increasing our capacity to handle that. We are cooperating with other European Union countries. Some of our agencies are also cooperating with American counterparts. And this we’ll continue to do.

    So any foreign power that believes that they can interfere with our election, we will find out and we will call them out very clearly, loud.

    And Löfven’s background is interesting:

    PRIME MINISTER LÖFVEN: (Laughs.) Yeah. We — no, first, we — I mean, we both come from outside politics, into politics. I’ve spent 30 years in industry as a welder but also as a trade unionist — trade union leader — spending 75, 80 percent of my time cooperating with the company leaders, with the employers’ organization in an effort to strengthen our industry. So that’s, perhaps, a similar background. Not similar — because it’s different — but we come from outside politics.

    But, of course, also, friends differ from time to time. The Paris Agreement, the importance of the Paris Agreement, we stand by that. We think it’s very important that we implement and fulfill the Paris Agreement because of the climate issue. And on that, we might differ. Terrorists, as well.

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    rikyrah says:

    What were the final numbers out of Texas?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Lapassionara: Yeah. I can’t take much of Trump; have pretty much stopped watching news programs because of it. But had to laugh out loud last night when learned Cohn was abandoning ship. Top story on CBS, if memory serves.

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Agreed. I think it’s a tell on lying.

    And to Ozark and Schlemazel, my apologies to exposing you to Trump material so early in the day. I generally avoid as much as I can, but when I heard that CNN HLN excerpt, I got interested in the language and the puffing.

    FWIW, the only reporter who was identified by full name in the transcript was some jerk from The Daily Caller. Yes, The Daily caller got one of very few questions. (It was a respectful one about North Korea.)

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    WereBear says:

    Days like today makes me feel relief that I moved my pitiful 401k into non-Market harbors. I kept up with W and avoided big losses, but Trump is KAOS.

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    Baud says:

    @WereBear: I did the same. Probably still a net loss but I have more peace of mind, and Trump isn’t done yet.

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    Schlemazel says:

    damn, those are depressing numbers

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Dr. Stein who pals around with Putin in Russia. Sure.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Elizabelle: Oh, no problem. You gave me a trigger warning and I was able to avert my eyes.

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    Baud says:


    Someone said the GOP turns out for the primaries because that’s really been where the election is decided. But yeah, not as great as the hype would lead you to believe.

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    MomSense says:

    @WereBear: @Baud:

    The good news for me is that I have a 20 more years to work and make it up.


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    debbie says:


    Driving home from work, I heard that clip about people lining up for WH jobs shortly after I heard Trump talking about how much he likes conflict and how it helps him do his best work. Taken together, there is no better reason to bar MBAs/CEOs/whatever from ever occupying the Oval Office, ever.

    ETA: Couldn’t that reporter have pointed out how “conflict” and “difference of opinion” are not the same thing?

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    Waldo says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    When he uses vaguely modifying adjectives like “very”, “fabulous”, “tremendous” or others (I’ve not checked his adverb use), he’s lying.

    Pretty much any part of speech employed by Trump is an indication he’s lying.

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    Baud says:


    I don’t know how much time I have left. I don’t want to stress over it.

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    Baud says:


    The “conflict” strategy isn’t unreasonable if you have a strong leader at the top. Trump is not that, but he thinks he is.

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    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh
    Uh huh 😒😕

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    debbie says:


    I think it’s a tell on lying.

    Also a limited vocabulary, which doesn’t speak well for his intelligence.

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    debbie says:


    Strong leader, maybe, but that leader would need to be surrounded by sane people. There’s none of either at the moment.

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    rikyrah says:

    A step is a step

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    WereBear says:

    @Baud: Precisely. I also shared this plan at the time, in case it helped anyone.

    Even the most bone-headed neocon should be able to see that the Republicans are bad for business. Bad for real business, of course, not the smash-and-grab it has become under their watch.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: Agreed.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @debbie: But didn’t he boast about having “the best words” during the Republican primaries? He also claimed that he would pick “the best people” for his administration. **rolls eyes in derision**

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    Kay says:

    Stormy Daniels lawsuit is interesting. It may just be boilerplate- the same hush money agreement the Trump’s make everyone sign in their sleazy wheeling and dealing- but it has paragraph after paragraph on tangible items she has to turn over. Images and text messages. Daniels had to list the people she told about this- there are 4 names.

    Team Trump frantically set about shutting up Daniels at the same time as 18 other women came out and said Trump had assaulted them. But the other 18 women were ignored. So does Daniels have something they didn’t have? Photos or something?

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    WereBear says:

    @Kay: Stormy Daniels (like the Parkland students) have the ability to muscle their way into the media conversation. That is the difference, sadly.

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    MomSense says:

    He’s down to about 75 words. The other day when he went on and on about how people don’t ujnderstand the word comprehensive, some people don’t like things that are comprehensive, but I do like things that are comprehensive OK, because comprehensive is good I figured he had heard the word for the first time that morning. Don’t worry people who hate things that are comprehensive. He’s already forgotten that word.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    All you need to know about today’s GOP:

    Attorney General Ken Paxton, who is under felony indictment on charges of securities fraud, was unopposed in the primary.

    @Baud: Maybe it’s just me but I always found “conflict” led to a poisonous environment full of backstabbing, lies, and deceit. And the person at the top? They were the main reason for it, either thru active participation or complete disinterest. The times when I found myself in such situations, I exited them post haste. Fuck that shit, life is too short.

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    Kay says:

    I know this is rote at this point- but can you imagine if Obama had paid off a woman he was sleeping with weeks before the election?

    It would be wall to wall coverage. The NYTimes would have 27 people on it.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Another tell that Trump was lying in response to the question about the rats deserting the sinking ship (I mean, aside from the fact he was flapping his gums): the detail he went into when describing how many people want to work at the White House. Top. Men.

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    Kay says:


    Daniels had a multi-month relationship with him, too, which is easier to prove than “he assaulted me that one time I had the misfortune of meeting him”.

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    Baud says:


    but can you imagine if Obama had paid off a woman he was sleeping with worn a tan suit on a date with Michelle weeks before the election?

    It would be wall to wall coverage. The NYTimes would have 27 people on it.


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    WereBear says:

    @MomSense: Yes, and that is not the case for me, especially with my health issues pushing the deadline with a dozer.

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    @Lapassionara: You’re welcome.

    @rikyrah: Glad ya liked it, it can be a bit of a time sink though if you start looking at all the detail.

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    debbie says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Every single thing he’s said or done since the late 1970s has been a lie. Period.

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    rikyrah says:

    No Kay…
    I can’t.
    I spoke with a friend last night, and he brought up Stormy. Then, he went on a tirade of how if this were any other President, this would be the end.
    I told him, the TREASON overshadows everything. What’s a porn star when you have betrayed the country?

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    Baud says:

    We’re imposing sanctions on North Korea because Kim assassinated his brother in Malaysia, but nothing on Russia?


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    WereBear says:

    @debbie: Trump talking about how much he likes conflict and how it helps him do his best work

    Lord love a duck, I had a boss like that. “Darwinian Management,” red in tooth and claw. It sank his small business. It is sinking Sears now.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @MomSense: Trump’s learned a new word. “Transshipping.” Used it twice. About the Chinese and steel.

    And a definition:

    The Dictionary of International Trade (World Trade Press) defines a transshipment as: “The transfer of merchandise from the country-of-origin to an intermediary country prior to shipment to the destination country for purposes of 1., achieving a lower transport cost; 2., legally or illegally achieving new country-of-origin status for the merchandise; or 3., circumventing the foreign trade policies of the country-of-origin or the country of destination.”

    (from an article in the Journal of Commerce)

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    Kay says:


    You wonder how they justify it to themselves. Reporting on Harvey Weinstein’s serial offenses with women is more important to the public than reporting on the President of the United States on the same issue, at the same time?

    It doesn’t make any sense. It is inexplicable that the Daniel’s story wasn’t reported in top tier media. It should have happened.

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    Baud says:


    You wonder how they justify it to themselves. 

    I don’t think they feel the need to.

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    rikyrah says:

    Could you imagine if Shrub had paid off a porn star? Of course, that would have to have been after he was born again to make an impact. Pre-saved, he could blame it on not knowing Jesus 😒😒

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    Kay says:


    The way to get Trump to do what you want is to flatter him. We’re not going to get into a war with a belligerent actor. We’re going to get into a war because someone flatters Donald Trump into joining them on some idiotic mission.

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    Daniels had a multi-month relationship with him

    More of a business relationship.

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    rikyrah says:

    The thing that makes me smile is that it’s the money with Stormy that’s phucking them up and keeping this story alive.
    He has no morals, Kay. That he cheated on his wife is no surprise. You can’t get him on morals. Those who voted for him don’t care about morals or character. But, the money…the money tells the story. Just like the money The Enquirer paid tells a story.

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    @Baud: Russia doesn’t assassinate folk in Malaysia, just the UK. That’s the difference and it makes it OK.

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    WereBear says:

    @Kay: Excellent point. And really, can our media resist a porn star making news? Not likely. Click bait central.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: Probably easier to prove because of all the secret videos she made.

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    @Joyce H:

    Twins! Impersonations! Misunderstandings!

    Sounds Shakespearean! It’s on its way to my kindle.

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    rikyrah says:

    You are correct, of course, with the Obama double standard. Just keep on collecting those receipts, Kay.

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    Kay says:


    I agree. She’s got the goods, though. They went to a lot of trouble to shut her up UNLIKE the other 18 women.

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    Anne Laurie says:


    So does Daniels have something they didn’t have? Photos or something?

    According to some bloggers — via TPM, maybe? — there’s an unusual clause in that notorious contract about Trump retaining control of “all images, print and otherwise.”

    Naughty twitterers’ minds immediately went to: DICK PICS! He sent her DICK PICS!

    Since *everything* is projection with Trump, this is where we remember how he attacked ‘disgusting’ Anthony Weiner, and that ‘horrible’ HRC woman who employed Weiner’s wife…

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud: @WereBear:

    It was more of a woe is me joke about the number of years I still have to work. I am outwardly optimistic but I really haven’t enjoyed working since I stopped teaching. I loved teaching and was a first in the building, last to leave person even when I had to push a cart from room to room. Arts teaching is pretty much volunteer now.

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    Kay says:


    The one that really sticks in my craw is the week-long freak out over Obama rebuking the police officer. They went nuts.

    Trump insults people every day.

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    raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’d say it was 60-40 Dawgs but I may have been more.

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    different-church-lady says:

    I’m on various right-wing mailing lists;

    Krugman deserves a liberal Medal of Honor for what he goes through for us.

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    @raven: I was actually able to zoom in to where our seats were when we had season tickets to UCLA games, very cool.

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    Kay says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    I’m not sure it’s “unusual”, though. But I bet she has something, just because she caused such a frantic response and the rest didn’t. It’s a shame that these scumbags can use the legal system to hide their lives from the public, while insisting on doing things like running for office. I mean, honestly, fuck them. All other politicians lose all privacy – it’s part of the deal. These creeps want it both ways.

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    @different-church-lady: Krugman did work in the Reagan White House.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Kay: Can you imagine if he had merely ever cheated on Michelle once?

    Can you imagine if he had ever kissed a white woman?

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    different-church-lady says:

    The AP makes a funny:

    Wave of exits from West Wing sparks talk of brain drain

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: The one thing I hope is that we internalize all of this so that we don’t forget it once the Dems are in control again, like what happened in 2009-10.

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    Kay says:


    I don’t have to imagine. It was news. Here’s the Washington Post reporting on one of his past girlfriends.

    Obama asked another woman to marry him but then “politics got in the way”. So regretful, Obama and his scheming Chicago ways. Tawdry, really, the fact that Obama was not a virgin when he got married.

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    WereBear says:

    @MomSense: If it helps, you have time for the economy to turn around; my entry into the work world was around the time Reagan got his first term, and it has been literally downhill for me ever since, economically.

    Left a corporate job when, in the space of three years, the new business mindset pared down a sweet benefit package and started firing people just before they would be pension-eligible; I saw the handwriting on the wall.

    And I was right :(

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    Immanentize says:


    We’re going to get into a war because someone flatters Donald Trump into joining them on some idiotic mission

    I was thinking this exact thought yesterday:
    Netanyahu –> Iran

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    Elizabelle says:


    can our media resist a porn star making news? Not likely. Click bait central.

    It’s a tragedy. Caught a bit of Terry Gross’s interview with Jane Mayer yesterday. The Steele dossier information broke the same day the Access Hollywood pu$$y tape hit the news.

    From an NPR recap of the program; will continue hunting for the full transcript and link. And do notice Wikileaks’ work. I hope they go down, hard.

    On why the news that Russia hacked the DNC’s email got lost in the cycle

    [Mayer:] They thought it was going to be kind of blockbuster news, that these top officials come out and say, “Russia is interfering in our election. We think Russia has hacked these emails that are from the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee.” And on any normal news day it would’ve gotten huge attention, I think, but it was the most abnormal of news days.

    That was the same day and the same afternoon, in fact, that The Washington Post broke the story of Trump’s Access Hollywood tape that had him saying lewd things about women, wanting to grab them by their crotches, or whatever, and that made incredible news.

    And then, almost instantaneously, WikiLeaks starts to release more emails that sort of changes the subject. WikiLeaks starts releasing John Podesta’s emails from the Clinton campaign and everybody jumps onto that and starts becoming fascinated by the private things that John Podesta, the chairman of the Clinton campaign, was saying to everybody else in the campaign, juicy gossip. And in all of that, the idea that the intelligence community is trying to warn the country of, which was that the Russians were behind this hacking, gets kind of lost.

    I think a lot of our “flagship media” should go down hard, too. This is dereliction of duty, plain and simple.

    I suspect Obama’s biggest regret is going to be not having gone public with the Russian interference, and Mitch Fucking McConnell be damned. It might have made a difference. Because big fucking media did not, and would not, do its job.

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    Kay says:


    Netanyahu –> Iran

    Yup. They told him exactly what he wants to hear, too- that he’s better than Obama. That’s all it takes. They’ll all figure it out if they haven’t already. He’ll be dancing like a puppet as long as they stroke him.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Here’s the NPR Audio for yesterday’s Terry Gross Fresh Air interview with Jane Mayer. 42 minutes. Don’t see a transcript yet.

    Also, note this cutesiness from NPR, from the recap story (link a few comments above):

    NPR has not detailed the contents of the dossier because it remains unverified, but journalist Jane Mayer has written a cover story about its origins for The New Yorker. Although Trump and his allies have sought to portray the 35-page dossier as Democratic-funded propaganda, the work that led to its creation initially started with Republicans themselves.

    I don’t pay much attention to NPR these days. It would seem that what one does is report, with full disclaimer that claim is unverified. They sure report a lot of unverified shit from Republicans — outright lies — and sit there with their yaps shut.

    Good on the story for refuting the Trump/GOP lies about the dossier’s origin.

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    Another Scott says:

    @WereBear: Sears may have been doomed as this guy kinda argues (note it’s 8 short pages), but the banksters certainly seem to find their ways to get their cut as the company bleeds. (The bits about Macy’s and BestBuy making their money on their store credit cards and extended warranties – and having actual stores and inventory is just a cost of business to keep people coming in to buy extended warranties – is kinda interesting.)

    “… Montgomery Ward sent me a bathtub and a cross-cut saw! …”


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    Kay says:

    Lloyd Blankfein
    Follow Follow @lloydblankfein
    Gary Cohn deserves credit for serving his country in a first class way. I’m sure I join many others who are disappointed to see him leave.

    Oh, bullshit. Just take you huge tax cut haul and go away. They all got what they wanted and it’s really insult to injury for them to be prattling on about “serving their country” They served themselves. Trump hasn’t done jack shit for anyone but the richest people.

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    danielx says:

    If the Stormy Daniels lawsuit involves having to read or hear about Trump’s junk and sexual habits….I could just as soon do without.

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    rikyrah says:

    They should NEVER be forgiven

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    Kay says:


    I think where they’re going with it is that Trump knew about the payment- authorized it. I know we all know he knew about it but they have to prove that.

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    Kay says:


    They could reach the point where it’s a campaign finance violation. There’s a concept in that where one can’t use “conduits” to do something the person themselves wouldn’t be permitted to do. Most of the campaign finance issues are exactly that- conduits delivering money that the candidate can’t deliver.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    So conservative economists are on the enemies list too?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Elizabelle: Obama was damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. There were no good choices. People will blame till time in memoriam because there are no consequences for them.

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    TS says:


    I suspect Obama’s biggest regret is going to be not having gone public with the Russian interference, and Mitch Fucking McConnell be damned. It might have made a difference. Because big fucking media did not, and would not, do its job.

    The media would have obsessed about him providing false information to support Hillary. Obama knew if he went public without support from republicans it would be seen as a partisan issue against Trump & he would not have been believed. It was a no win situation.

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    danielx says:


    Probably true. On the other hand, Whitewater started out as a busted land deal and ended up with interminable discussion of the dreaded Clenis.

    It was bad enough last night explaining “President being sued by porn actress” to the daughter unit last night. She was used to Obama, who she regards as “a nice man”.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Elizabelle: I still don’t understand why the fuckity-fuck we were supposed to care about John Podesta’s emails, or why Big Media decided that the word “email” was treated as self-evidently more fascinating than anything else under the sun.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @TS: I think it would have been something like “In an ever-tightening presidential campaign that may determine his legacy, President Obama warned of Russian interference to benefit Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton, an unusual move critics are calling an act of desperation to boost the floundering Clinton bid.”

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    danielx says:


    Yep. On and on and on, and fodder for unceasing investigation by the likes of Trey Gowdy.

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    MomSense says:


    I went to college right after Reagan decimated student loans and grants. We were handed off to loan sharks who made sure we had huge college debt just in time to enter the job market during a recession. Good times.

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    Baud says:


    And that would have been the lefty websites. Andrea Mitchell would have been much worse.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    He had a white girlfriend in college. Extensively reported on in Vanity Fair.

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    MomSense says:


    Crooked Obama is trying to save Crooked Hillary’s failing campaign. It’s rigged, believe me.

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    MomSense says:


    Some things are unforgivable. If you get the chance, Marc Maron does a funny take on this in his Netflix stand up special.

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    Weaselone says:

    We were supposed to care about them because of what Republicans and other ratfuckers were saying was in them. The media is full of lazy, credulous morons when it comes Republican friendly spewage.

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    Jeffro says:


    I know this is rote at this point- but can you imagine if Obama had paid off a woman he was sleeping with weeks before the election?

    It would be wall to wall coverage. The NYTimes would have 27 people on it.

    I’ll see your Obama comparison and raise you a Clinton one: just for giggles, picture if President Hillary Rodham Clinton
    – had an affair
    – shortly after the birth of her fifth kid, with her third husband
    – with a porn star
    – who she then paid off
    – by having her lawyer set up a shell corporation
    – a couple weeks before the election

    Are. You. Kidding. Me? The GOP would have dropped her into a live volcano before we even got to bullet point #3

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Weaselone: Yeah. The media is wired for Republicans. Period.

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    germy says:


    The lawsuit alleges that President Hillary Clinton and male porn star Storm Daniels exchanged “still images” aka dick/vag pics.— Laurie Kilmartin (@anylaurie16) March 7, 2018

    The gift shop at Clinton Tower (President Hillary Clinton’s luxury skyscraper on Fifth Ave) is illegally selling mugs emblazoned with the presidential seal.— Laurie Kilmartin (@anylaurie16) March 7, 2018

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    germy says:

    Male porn star Storm Daniel is suing President Hillary Clinton for not signing their non-disclosue agreement regarding their affair. (In the filing, the president is referred to as Debbie Dennison.)— Laurie Kilmartin (@anylaurie16) March 7, 2018

    Recently, President Hillary Clinton said she'd had a call with North Koreans but today a White House official said she had actually been speaking with South Koreans.— Laurie Kilmartin (@anylaurie16) March 6, 2018

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    danielx says:

    In other news, my man Dick Van Dyke is still rocking it at 92.

    A national treasure.

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    Kay says:


    When he was small my youngest just loved Obama. He really seemed to have some special appeal for kids.

    For me, as a parent, I think he was a good role model. It’s as simple as that for me. If kids imitate what we do- and they do – then Trump is a lousy adult to imitate: mean-spirited, incurious, petty, dishonest, ungenerous. And he treats women like shit.

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    Jeffro says:

    @germy: You can almost hear the volcano bubbling below, can’t you? I can.

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    danielx says:


    All the above. It’s more than passing strange that Obama would seem to have been the Ideal president from an image standpoint – calm, steady, good family man, no hint of personal scandal, etc. – but Republicans hated and still hate him like the devil hates holy water. So to speak.

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    @danielx: The awful treatment that President Obama got from both the prestige media and the elected Rs woke me up to the extent of racism in this country.

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    Kay says:


    This is venturing dangerously into pundit territory, but I wonder if some of the white men who supported Obama connected with him as a father. We always bring that up with women – “she’s a mom, so mom’s love her!” but I wonder if there’s a connection that happens with fathers.

    Then you have to think about what Trump supporters admire in a father and that’s too awful, so maybe best not go there.

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    @Kay: He is the bully they can never be. They live vicariously through him.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Kay: I’d bet there’s HUGE overlap between people who like Donald Trump and people who are performatively nostalgic for the days when fathers beat their children.

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    MomSense says:


    I think Chris Rock had it right in his special Tamborine. George Bush fucked up so badly we took a chance on a black guy.

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    Kay says:

    We had three heroin overdoses last weekend. One was the kid of a prominent family. There are 7000 people in this town. I haven’t said anything to our Trump-supporting “community leaders” because I’m not an asshole but they have to be noticing that Trump hasn’t done jack shit to address this problem, that he palmed it off on another unqualified crony.

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    @MomSense: What is his theory about the 2012 win?

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    Barbara says:

    Trump has a reverse Midas touch. Whatever stimulus his tax cuts were going to give to the economy will be more than undone by his ad hoc idiocy on trade (even if you think there is a case for more thoughtful trade policy on manufacturing and other sectors, random tariffs that seem suspiciously devised and timed to help Russian oligarchs and Trump’s friends aren’t going to make that case), meaning that Republican strategy for the midterms has just been blown to bits. I don’t actually blame Gary Cohn for not resigning previously because he is, after all, the economic adviser, not in charge of some other policy. Watching Republicans acquiesce to anti-immigrant hysteria has been horrifying. Watching them sit back knowing, as they must, that Trump is animated by a desire to please his Russian masters makes me understand the appeal of revolutions.

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    @Barbara: How do these tariffs help Russians? I don’t immediately see the connection apart from the fact that this move is going to alienate our allies and trade partners and weaken us internationally.

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    David Evans says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Curses! My largest camera is only 20 megapixels. Of course I don’t have that gorgeous view either. Or, probably, the skill or the patience.
    It’s a fine panorama.

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    rikyrah says:

    Trump Plans to Blame Video Games for Gun Violence

    Source: The Daily Beast

    Industry officials feel like they’re being ambushed—set up to take the blame for the latest national tragedy.


    03.06.18 9:00 PM ET

    President Donald Trump’s stated response to a mass shooting at a Florida high school last month was initially broad in scope. But in recent days, he and his aides have begun slimming down their ambitions, with a particular focus now on shifting more blame onto video games.

    On Thursday, the White House is planning to meet with envoys of the video game industry to discuss how violent imagery on their platforms may desensitize young people to firearms—and even train them to be more effective killers. Industry sources tell The Daily Beast that they are worried the session will be an ambush—an effort to scapegoat them for shootings in schools.

    The meeting comes after weeks of internal White House wavering on gun-related policy items, with the president endorsing a Democratic gun control wish list on live television, only to have the White House walk it back after Trump’s closed-door meeting with the National Rifle Association shortly thereafter.

    Press secretary Sarah Sanders mentioned offhand at a press briefing last week that the president would be meeting with gaming industry representatives, signaling yet another shift in the internal policy discussion. But even that effort has been marked by disorder and internal confusion.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @danielx: It made them angry that Obama did seem to be such a decent guy personally. That wasn’t supposed to be how it worked. The black Democrat couldn’t be the uncorrupt solid citizen.

    So he pushed the other button: “Mr. Professor thinks he’s better than you”.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: That is beautiful. The snow, the Hollywood sign, is that the Getty in the hills? I love LA and California.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    Weakens the economy and paints an economic target on our NATO allies (the shattering of NATO and trashing of transnational organizations that impede criminal money movement is Putin’s biggest goal).

    Look at Assange priorities – ethnic division in the UK, ethnic division in Spain, anti immigrant fervor in Italy, the Netherlands, Deutschland, Denmark. Fomenting anti-EU, anti-status quo movements on both the left and right. All of this is working to grant Putinism a political victory over the Atlantic powers that he couldn’t get militarily or economically on his own steam. Assange is a big part of the tip of the spear, but make no mistake – the thing is wielded by Putin.

    The thing that galls me most is just how cheaply they have gained this win – all they ever had to do is enlist our own right wing.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    Best quote I saw came from LaPierre:

    “Guns don’t kill people,” LaPierre declared. “Video games, the media, and Obama’s budget kill people.”

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @rikyrah: As annoyed as I usually am by moral panics over video games, I have to say I am looking forward to the Gamergater reaction.

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    Jeffro says:

    @rikyrah: everything but the obvious…’harden’ the schools until they’re prisons, blame video game violence, arm teachers, make noises about ‘mental health’, blah blah blah. The problem is access to guns.

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    Barbara says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Apparently the UAE in conjunction with one of the Russian oligarchs mentioned in these articles about the Seychelles began producing aluminum in the last five years. Don’t ask me to explain how, but apparently some people think the recent tariffs might redound to its benefit.

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    But her emails!!! says:


    Trump has a reverse Midas touch. Whatever stimulus his tax cuts were going to give to the economy will be more than undone by his ad hoc idiocy on trade

    The stimulus from the tax cuts was likely to be minimal in the short term and detrimental in the long term due to their impact on everyone below the top couple of percentiles, particularly once the Republicans began gutting things in the name of deficit reduction.

    The tariffs regardless of whether they benefit Russia are plain stupid. They’re on inputs to for more important sectors of the economy than the ones they are propping up.

    Solar Panels – protects jobs in domestic solar panel manufacturing and let’s be honest the real target: coal mining at the much larger number of jobs in solar installation
    Steel and Aluminium – May protect a handful of steel and aluminum jobs, will cost jobs in the far larger automobile, machinery and even construction industries.

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    Barbara says:

    @But her emails!!!: Totally agree, but the short term benefits of tax policy were being talked up immensely as a way to blunt Democratic momentum. The instant uncertainty that the tariffs impose (even if undone through legal action or reversal) will start influencing investment decisions almost immediately, although it might take longer for them to have an impact on people who are currently employed in sectors that use aluminum and steel (that’s a lot of sectors).

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    neldob says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:Nice! I love panoramas so I’m not much of a critic (not much of one anyway so take with mountain of salt), but the dark building on the right looks like a black box.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Joyce H: Sounds awesome!

    Any thoughts/recommendations about devices for e-reading? I am a comparative Luddite who still prefers paper to pixels. I rather think I enjoyed the iPad the most, when I had a chance to take some devices for a spin. Going to be replacing the hard drive *and* the battery in my ancient Mac laptop, so maybe there’s a good Mac-based e-reader program?

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    Barbara says:

    @Miss Bianca: I personally am on my third Nook. The most recent ones are Samsung devices. There is a simple one that is just around $100. My son uses an iPad for reading and it works well. I don’t really like the Kindle that we bought him probably because I was used to the Nook already, and I found the parental controls to be unintuitive and hard to use. It was also always pushing content at me and yet, it was strangely difficult to actually buy anything. If I really like an electronic book I sometimes buy it in hard copy if I think I want to read it again.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Another Scott: Interestingly, tho’, just as Sears online takes a massive dump, a new Sears bricks and mortar opened up in the next town over from me. This is a town where McDonalds, Burger King, Pizza Hut and the 7-11 all closed down in the past couple years (more because the locals seemed to prefer more localized alternatives), but they have a new Sears. Not sure what, if anything, that means.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @danielx: I’ve always had a soft spot for Dick Van Dyke, from the time I was a squeaker. First seeing him on his TV show, with the added benefit of Mary Tyler Moore, Morey Amsterdam, and Rose Marie, then Mary Poppins, and my all-time fave role of his, Professor Potts in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, which, altho’ running wildly divergent from the book plot, is still just an awesomely fun movie.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    but they have a new Sears. Not sure what, if anything, that means.

    It means that there is further proof that the scam artists running Sears continue to have no freaking clue what they are doing.

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