This Will End Well

Via The Washington Post we learn that former Trump aide and Mueller invitee will not go gently into that dark grand jury room:

Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg said Monday that he has been subpoenaed to appear in front of a federal grand jury investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 but that he will refuse to go….

 

This is the subpoena folks have been talking about over the weekend:

Among those the subpoena requests information about are departing White House communications director Hope Hicks, former White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon, Trump lawyer Michael Cohen, former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and adviser Roger Stone.

Nunberg is deeply offended by the idea (a) that he should comply with a federal subpoena, or that anyone would think Donald Trump and the Russians had anything to do with one another.  On the one hand, he has a point:

“The Russians and Trump did not collude,” Nunberg said. “Putin is too smart to collude with Donald Trump.”

On the other, he’s kinda saying “trust me” when, if I may be so bold, I don’t.

In  any event, Nunberg is in full “Hell No I Won’t Go” mode, and that, I have to believe, won’t end well.

Nunberg said he does not plan to comply with the subpoena, including either testimony or providing documents.

“Let him arrest me,” Nunberg said. “Mr. Mueller should understand I am not going in on Friday.”

Here’s my question: do you think orange is his color?

Special Snowflakes Are Special open thread.

Image: Francisco de Goya, A Prison Scene, either 1810-14 or 1793-4.

294 replies
  1. 1
    The Dangerman says:

    Book him, Dano.

  2. 2
    ruemara says:

    Honey, I hope orange is his color for decades and his shroud.

  3. 3
    SFAW says:

    Here’s my question: do you think orange is his color?

    I guess it depends on whether Attica is still open, and whether that’s the uniform there (for the inmates).

  4. 4
    dedc79 says:

    I think we should view this through the lens of what happened to Manafort, who also refused to cooperate. The result was an early morning raid and the seizure of all his files (rather than his attorneys picking and choosing what to turn over).

    Say you’re nunberg and you’ve got a bunch of incriminating stuff re Trump/campaign. Say you don’t want to be seen as turning it over voluntarily, but you know it’s going to get found eventually. What do you do? You make a big public stink, call out Mueller, and wait for the inevitable raid/seizure of your Trump docs.

  5. 5

    Sorry, Numberg, you’re playing with people who don’t play. Expect some Marshalls at your door on Friday if you don’t show up.

  6. 6
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Dangerman: Obligatory!

    ETA: that really is not how you want to close the cylinder on your revolver.

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    Feebog says:

    I have been listening to this moron interview with Katy Tur. He is supposed to be a lawyer. I have seen him interview with other MSNBC hosts, most recently Chris Hayes. This is not going to end well for Mr. Nunberg.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @dedc79: That is also what I was thinking. Along the lines of, “I didn’t want to! They MADE ME!”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Something tells me he did not discuss this with a lawyer.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    “Let him arrest me,” Nunberg said. “Mr. Mueller should understand I am not going in on Friday.”

    The statement of a guy who will have sung every song he’s ever heard by Monday.

    Nobody that obviously rattled can keep their mouths shut. Mueller may want to give him a bit more rope to hang himself with. It’ll be worth it. I guarantee you this guy is a goldmine.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: He doesn’t need a lawyer! He’s his own lawyer! With the smartest, most loyal client EVAH!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @dedc79: surely he’s destroyed or at least moves stuff to a safe place

    Steve in the AIR

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Obligatory!

    Best theme song ever!

    ETA: OK, Rockford Files, maybe. Bet, without looking, they are both Lalo Schiffrin.

    ETA2: 0 for 2. Fuck Mondays.

  14. 14
    Percysowner says:

    WSJ: Michael Cohen’s Bank Reported Stormy Daniels Payment To Treasury Dept.

    The bank that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen used to pay $130,000 in hush money to adult film actress Stephanie Clifford — known as Stormy Daniels in the industry — flagged the payment as suspicious, the Wall Street Journal reported Monday.

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    bluefish says:

    @dedc79: Yeah. Quite a performance that was. Could very well be. Plus, member of the clan of ferociously stupid.

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    Barbara says:

    I feel like this is a signal to someone. It’s just utterly bizarre that he would take this stance in public.

    ETA: I see I am not alone.

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    Matt Smith says:

    “The Russians and Trump did not collude,” Nunberg said. “Putin is too smart to collude with Donald Trump.”

    Let me fix that for you.

    “The Russians and Trump did not collude,” Nunberg said. “Donald Trump is too smart to… Donald Trump is too patriotic to… Donald Trump would never… Putin is too smart to collude with Donald Trump.”

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    dedc79 says:

    @bluefish: Right, that’s the tough part with all these folks – trying to figure out whether they’re acting out of stupidity/cleverness. Stupidity is generally the safer bet.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @CarolDuhart2:
    Someone is going to block Nunberg’s front door with a wall of these?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    surely he’s destroyed or at least moves stuff to a safe place

    I need a legal opinion if that wouldn’t be more damaging. Is Omnes around?

  21. 21
    Roger Moore says:

    do you think orange is his color?

    If it isn’t, he shouldn’t have been dealing with an orange person.

  22. 22
    oatler. says:

    Forget Goya, bring on Bosch!

  23. 23
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Dangerman: I happen to like the taiko drums they used in the Battlestar Galactica remake. But it is an excellent theme.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    ETA: that really is not how you want to close the cylinder on your revolver.

    @Adam L Silverman: That’s a new one on me. Looks idiotic.

    Me, I like having the hammer over an empty chamber, so spinning it like a roulette wheel would be about the last thing I’d want to do.

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    Doug R says:

    @Barbara:

    I feel like this is a signal to someone. It’s just utterly bizarre that he would take this stance in public.

    He’s Putin it out there that he’s not Russian in.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Best theme song ever!

    I beg to differ.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    So is he confusing a Congressional subpoena with a federal one? I know you can refuse to appear before Congress and there’s not much they can do, but a federal court will issue a warrant to have your ass forcibly hauled in for your date with the judge.

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    NotMax says:

    “You’re not the boss of me!”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Dangerman: It was good enough to be worked into KISS’s Detroit: Rock City.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m a sucker for some taiko drummin’.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Corner Stone: I wonder, did he pass the Bar exam?

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    No Drought No More says:

    I’ve got a confession to make: I’m all mouth when it comes to this “fuck ’em all” business. Truth is, I’m selective in such matters, as is every sensible person. I certainly don’t hold a candle to the likes of Sam Nunberg. Or maybe Sam has simply never watched an episode of Law & Order. I wouldn’t know. But today, I tip my cap to him.

  33. 33

    I don’t know what our lawyers will say, but I don’t see how Mueller can let Nunberg defy him. If he does, he gives away power and can expect everyone else to fluff him off too. OTOH, if he marches him out in handcuffs, that should sober some people up.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    This Nunberg business has me mystified. How does he expect to get away with defying a subpoena?

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    Peale says:

    I recieved a parking ticket at 8:00pm on Saturday on a street that I thought was free after 7:00pm but on Saturdays is metered until 2:00am. I find this highly offensive and they can come and get me. I do not have to respond to this ticket. Its a witch hunt.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Peale:

    I recieved a parking ticket at 8:00pm on Saturday on a street that I thought was free after 7:00pm but on Saturdays is metered until 2:00am. I find this highly offensive and they can come and get me. I do not have to respond to this ticket. Its a witch hunt.

    I worked on this story for a year…and you just…commented it out…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Moar You Know: Spinning it to load it was clearly done as a visual effect for the intro. Flipping the cylinder into place is also a long time TV standard. It is also against the instructions in every manual for every revolver.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Partial transcript of the bonkers Nunberg interview w/ Katy Tur:

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Peale: I agree! I have decided NOT to pay my taxes, and if the gubmint don’t like it, they can just come take all my possessions! Live free or die!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): He can’t and he won’t. If Nunberg really wanted to defy Mueller he would have made his case before a judge to quash or narrow the request.

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    cmorenc says:

    @Tom Levenson:

    On the one hand, he has a point:

    “The Russians and Trump did not collude,” Nunberg said. “Putin is too smart to collude with Donald Trump.”

    …True in the sense that Putin is smart enough to avoid leaving his direct fingerprints on such collusion. The challenge for Mueller is convincingly proving to enough of American public that the intermediaries Putin used for such collusion were in fact Putin’s agents.that Trump and his GOP Congressional and RW media stooges cannot successfully deflect and defuse that proof. Oh, and also be sufficient to convince juries to convict in any criminal trials.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Mnemosyne: I thought Congress could issue some kind of arrest warrant thruough the sat-at-arms and/or US Marshals ? but we know Paulie won’t do it.

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    Peale says:

    @Amir Khalid: I know. I think he thinks he’s standing up to a bully who will back down. Like Mueller is a big lug who has never been in a fight because he’s so big, just bluffing his way out of a fight. But the big lug this time actually has multiple belts in many martial arts and once punched a guy so hard his shoelaces untied. This will not end well.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I know you can refuse to appear before Congress and there’s not much they can do,

    They can have you arrested, same as the Justice Dept.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Betty Cracker: part of that bonkers interview, Nurnberg says he regrets that they never brought “Bill Cinton’s illegitimate black child” to one of the debates. It looked for all the world to me like a nervous breakdown on the part of a very frightened man with something to hide.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @dedc79: Well, I’m a strong believer in Trump’s Razor, that the stupidest possible explanation that can be reconciled with the facts is likely to be the correct one.

    However, in this case I don’t think it’s stupidity. If you committed a crime and Mueller is on your ass, your odds of skating are probably pretty fucking small. However, a public announcement of defiance likely improves your odds of a Trump pardon (see Joe Arpio). I doubt that Nunberg is in legal jeopardy at the state level, so a pardon for him would be absolute. His situation also differs from Manaforts in that Manafort also has the small matter of Russians that are probably more than content to kill him and his family over all the money that Manafort has swindled from them, so Manafort has yet a different set of incentives to stay in the news/stay close to law enforcement.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore: I am on team Roger Moore. I have always loved that theme.

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    matyroshka says:

    They can have you arrested, same as the Justice Dept.

    They never arrested Karl Rove for doing this.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, the Sgt at Arms.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wow. That’s some crazy shit.

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    cain says:

    I’m pretty sure they can just freeze his bank accounts instead. No need to get arrested, he’ll come quick enough once he realizes he cant access any of his money.

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    SteveNKY says:

    I had to look up, listen and gape at the interview. And I am studying for a re-certification exam important for my continued employment.
    Nunberg is going to be in contempt and going straight to the holding cell until he complies. There is no middle ground.
    An impanelled grand jury, whether you question its validity, is a grand jury.
    Sessions and Rosenstein’s dinner wasn’t a stunt.
    Everything Nunberg has, Mueller’s team probably has pulled from service providers and NSA metadata gathering.
    If this guy thinks he can’t go straight to jail and fell on his sword for Lord or Trump, may his god help him.

  54. 54
    eric says:

    @NotMax: The Prisoner is in my top three, in part because everytime i hear it, I am reminded how much i love that show.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Betty Cracker: Oh my god, that transcript reads like a whiny teenager who was just grounded and doesn’t think it’s fair.

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    cain says:

    @The Dangerman:
    Magnum PI and Greatest American Hero, and also Barnaby Jones (although I understand the show sucked)

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    @eric: you’re all wrong, it’s Tank! from Cowboy Bebop.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @SteveNKY:

    Sessions and Rosenstein’s dinner wasn’t a stunt.

    Can you say a bit more about that?

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    Yutsano says:

    @Major Major Major Major: No love for the Mission: Impossible theme?

    Although I do loves me some Yoko Kanno…

    EDIT: I also enjoy the fact that two of the top anime soundtrack composers are women.

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    Chip Daniels says:

    As amusing as I find all of this, less amusing is the notion of what would happen to a young black man telling this to the local prosecutor.
    Would he be tased, beaten and dragged by the heels, or merely shot, and his family charged as accessories?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🌷 Martin:

    I doubt that Nunberg is in legal jeopardy at the state level,

    He was with trump. Of course he’s broken a few state laws, probably had to for his initiation

    @matyroshka: .They don’t always do it. IIRC Rove was still a part of the Bush Admin at the time? (my memory is real vague) They probably entered into negotiations with the Bush admin over what ever it was they were seeking and came to an agreement of some kind. A common enough occurrence between 2 co-equal branches of govt.

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    SteveNKY says:

    BTW.
    Does anyone have a full transcript out? As bad as my hearing is, I was pretty sure Nunberg said, I may have done something in an grabbled answer to Katy Tur.

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    NotMax says:

    @eric

    Not the best, but an indelibly etched in memory favorite from the same time period as The Prisoner.

    Original Star Trek theme also merits a place high on the best list.

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    piratedan says:

    well all I can say is…

    Good For Sam!
    You fight the man!
    Do Not Go Quietly into that good and gentle night!

    You exercise those individual rights of self-sovereignty and get on down with your bad self!

    I hope you stay strong all the way thru the sentencing because if there’s one more thing I don’t need to hear is another motherfucking self-righteous traitorous bastard like yourself telling me how WRONG and unjust all of this is…..

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    JPL says:

    @SteveNKY: https://twitter.com/SopanDeb

    Someone posted the link down below.

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    realbtl says:

    I’m thinking this is a great move to achieve a (minor) spot on the RW grift machine tour.

  67. 67
    Another Scott says:

    “Quick!! Change the Subject!!11” – DJT

    Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    It’s March 5th and the Democrats are nowhere to be found on DACA. Gave them 6 months, they just don’t care. Where are they? We are ready to make a deal!

    12:37 PM – 5 Mar 2018

    He’s so bigly powerful that he wants to be President for Life like Xi.

    But he can’t get anyone to give him cover for a broken policy that he took glee in breaking.

    He’s weak and brain damaged…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    randy khan says:

    That interview is . . . something.

    I mean, obviously, the marshalls are going to come get him on Friday afternoon if he doesn’t show, and he’ll spend some nice time in a poorly-ventilated, ill-lit cell. And the FBI will come and take all of his computers, and thanks to him admitting on air that he does in fact have a lot of emails that fall under the subpoena, if he tries to delete them between now and then he’ll get a lovely obstruction charge as a parting gift when he finally leaves the clink. (Not to mention that he’s probably the kind of guy who thinks that the delete function actually deletes the email from your hard drive. If he knows what a hard drive is, I mean.)

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    rumpole says:

    Two (OK) three thoughts on this.
    1. Consciousness of guilt.
    2. Trial balloon.
    3. I hope someone goes and asks HRC what she thinks of his complaining about having to review 2 years worth of emails. Jesus wept.

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    Yutsano says:

    @randy khan: It’s my understanding the investigators don’t have to wait until Friday if the defendant is already signaling defiance of the warrant. The agents could raid his home tonight if they suspected be might eliminate evidence.

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    Stephen Westfall says:

    @Yutsano:
    Secret Agent Man. That is All. Oh. Except for Peter Gunn.

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    Doug R says:

    @Peale:

    Like Mueller is a big lug who has never been in a fight because he’s so big, just bluffing his way out of a fight. But the big lug this time actually has multiple belts in many martial arts and once punched a guy so hard his shoelaces untied. This will not end well.

    You mean bronze star purple heart former marine Robert Mueller?

  73. 73

    @randy khan:

    he’s probably the kind of guy who thinks that the delete function actually deletes the email from your hard drive.

    And doesn’t know that it’s also stored on like eight thousand servers too.

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    Librarian says:

    @Stephen Westfall: I’ve heard that Patrick McGoohan hated the Secret Agent theme song, and when he made The Prisoner, he insisted on total control of the music.

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    efgoldman says:

    @CarolDuhart2:

    Sorry, Numberg, you’re playing with people who don’t play.

    The BALLS of these guys. Even Jimmy Hoffa, the Teamsters and the Mafia showed up. They pleaded the fifth, but they showed up!

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    dedc79 says:

    @🌷 Martin: If he wants a pardon, awful strange choice to call into cable news to say that he thinks Mueller has something criminal on trump.

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    I mean if he really doesn’t want to spend time combing through his emails to find the ones that match the subpoena he can just send them all his emails.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Perry Mason.

    Boring show; electrifying theme.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    He sounds like Edward G. Robinson in Little Caesar

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    John Revolta says:

    @Librarian: And I loved The Prisoner, but I can’t remember the theme music……………….

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    @Major Major Major Major:

    you’re all wrong, it’s Tank! from Cowboy Bebop.

    I’ll agree it needs to be near the top of the list. The theme from The X-Files also deserves a mention.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    (Not to mention that he’s probably the kind of guy who thinks that the delete function actually deletes the email from your hard drive. If he knows what a hard drive is, I mean.)

    @randy khan: Had a digital forensics case a while ago in which the “offenders” nuked all the emails off their drives. Scrambled the drive sectors. Really pro job. They were a tech company so this was expected.

    But, they forgot to remove the program that removed the emails and scrambled the file sectors. So I could show the judge that they’d deleted files and emails pertinent to the case. Hell, I could have made shit up – “the file sizes of the deleted sectors are indicative of either a large Excel spreadsheet or a child pron photo, I really can’t be sure, your Honor.”

    People are idiots.

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    NotMax says:

    @WaterGirl

    Speaking of Roger Moore

    ;)

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    Doug R says:

    @Yutsano:

    It’s my understanding the investigators don’t have to wait until Friday if the defendant is already signaling defiance of the warrant. The agents could raid his home tonight if they suspected be might eliminate evidence.

    Isn’t it the case that email is stored on the provider’s server. I know my ISP “gives” me a few MB storage.
    Mueller could just send a warrant to all possible ISPs couldn’t they?

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    @Roger Moore: i was also thinking of the x-files theme, but it’s no Tank!, which is also a great standalone song. I would emphatically not add the twin peaks theme though, even though I love it in context.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @dedc79:

    awful strange choice to call into cable news to say that he thinks Mueller has something criminal on trump.

    Or it could be a pre-lim offer to Trump that pardon me or else.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    We played a “Five-O” drinking game in the dorm, requiring a chug with each “Book-em, Dano.” Usually was a fairly controlled environment (one book-em in the final act) but we were severely challenged once with “Book-em Dano, murder one, three counts!

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    encephalopath says:

    Mueller probably already got himself a warrant and went to Nunberg’s ISP to collect all his emails.

    Now he issues a subpoena to Nunberg to turn over the relevant emails to see what he coughs up.

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    les says:

    Peter Gunn theme–especially when Roy Buchanan does it.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Doug R:

    You mean bronze star purple heart former marine Robert Mueller?

    Ummmm…. Correction, there are no former Marines. There are Marines no longer in service, but once a Marine always a Marine. Or so say all the Marines I’ve ever known.

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    Jeffro says:

    Anyone want to pop over to Ancestry dot com and see if Nunberg and Carter Page are related?

    Or did they both just contract the same prion disease?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Betty Cracker: Poor Katy was probably THIS close to recovering from the madness that was the 2016 campaign, and now this…

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    randy khan says:

    @Yutsano:

    I believe that’s right. And it would be fun. I think the Marshalls have to wait until Friday because he’s not in contempt of the order to show up at the grand jury until then, but the FBI probably doesn’t have to wait at all.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    In sports news, a curiously feeble Manchester United are 1-0 behind at halftime against a team 15 places below them in the Premier League table. If Crystal Palace beat them today, Palace will finish the day out of the relegation zone and only 10 places below United; while United will remain a point below second-placed Liverpool FC..

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Shit, that must have been the granddaddy of late 5-0 episodes. Appearances by the governor, the AG, Wo Fat (I always loved Wo Fat’s charming evil), and an appearance by Leslie Nielsen.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Major Major Major Major: @Roger Moore: I do love me some Tank!, but this sublime piece is still my favourite anime opening.

    (Done by Yukie Kaijura so…yeah. The visuals are nice too.)

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    trollhattan says:

    @John Revolta:
    This being a full service blog, The Prisoner opening.

    You can’t really sing along. BTW, “Secret Agent Man” was the US title and theme, it being “Danger Man” in the UK.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That’s what I would do. That and bring them my past 2 computers that crashed but my wife won’t let me throw them away because reasons.

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    This is the theme from the late 80s Door Darshan ( India’s version of PBS) version of Mahabharata, its one of the most famous couplets from the Geeta. Starts at about 1.15 or so.

    Whenever virtue subsides and wickedness prevails, I manifest Myself. To establish virtue, to destroy evil, to save the good I come from Yuga to Yuga

    .
    Vivekananda’s English translation
    The verse in Devanagari script—
    यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत ।
    अभ्युत्थानमधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम् ॥४-७॥

    परित्राणाय साधूनां विनाशाय च दुष्कृताम् ।
    धर्मसंस्थापनार्थाय सम्भवामि युगे युगे ॥४-८॥

    The verse in Roman script—
    Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharata
    Abhythanamadharmasya tadatmanam srijamyaham

    Paritranaya sadhunam vinashay cha dushkritam
    Dharmasangsthapanarthay sambhabami yuge yuge

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Felony obstruction.

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    randy khan says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    That’s a hoot. I’m pretty confident this guy isn’t that sophisticated.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jeffro:

    Poor Katy was probably THIS close to recovering from the madness that was the 2016 campaign, and now this…

    If she needs a comforting hug I am there for that.

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    jacy says:

    Nunberg is now on the phone with Jake Tapper, trash talking Sarah Huckabee Sanders. He said she’s horrible. This is amazing.

    And now he’s saying Trump knew all about the Trump Junior meeting with the Russians, and he doesn’t think he should have tried to hide it.

    WTF?

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    @OzarkHillbilly: yeah but you’re not involved in an international plot to undermine American democracy.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @randy khan:

    the FBI probably doesn’t have to wait at all.

    Just for the search and seizure warrant.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @The Moar You Know: Not naming names but I was once peripherally involved in a case where a brokerage had deleted several hours of conversations between executives and high level sales people. That did not end well for them.

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    cosima says:

    It is beyond my comprehension that the right has lost its mind so dramatically that they now consider Putin some sort of icon &/or hero. I’m not very old (relatively), but plenty old enough to have known how evil he has been for the past 20 years (before that it was KGB, then post-KGB under the radar evil, then elected, and all downhill from there). It’s documented. Headlines. Dead people. Imprisoned dissenters (the surviving ones).

    So, there was a headline this morning that I thought ‘hmm, wow, what happened?!’ about a Salisbury hospital. Then headlines talking about the people involved being exposed to an unknown substance that has necessitated emergency services, decontamination, etc. being called in, hospital cordoned off, etc etc. What the headlines say now is that it is a former Russian spy, and that he (and his wife?) have been poisoned:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ex-russian-spy-fighting-life-exposed-unknown-substance-182905207.html

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    WaterGirl says:

    @joel hanes:

    Boring show

    You take that back!!!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Only because I’m too lazy to work that hard.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @jacy: I am loving this Nunberg guy!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @NotMax: This thread has made it perfectly clear to me that they just don’t do theme songs like they used to.

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    jacy says:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Nunberg is drunk.

    He said Carter Page is a scumbag who colluded with the Russians. No doubt about it.

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    NotMax says:

    @Major Major Major Major

    Theme song for a kids’ show set in space?

    Just for sh*ts & grins.

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    trollhattan says:

    @joel hanes:
    Plug for a forgotten show’s theme: “Burke’s Law.”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    And United are now 2-0 behind, early in the second half. Tsk, tsk.
    ETA: United wake up at last, and get one goal back.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @cosima:

    It is beyond my comprehension that the right has lost its mind so dramatically that they now consider Putin some sort of icon &/or hero

    He’s white.

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    trollhattan says:

    @WaterGirl:

    You take that back!!!

    As shouted by somebody in the courtroom just prior to confessing to the crime. Della Street looks as though she’s in on the caper.

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    germy says:

    @kylegriffin1
    Follow Follow @kylegriffin1

    One of the final exchanges on MSNBC:

    Katy Tur: “Do you think that they have something on the president?”
    Sam Nunberg: “I think they may. I think that he may have done something during the election.”

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    Jeffro says:

    @jacy: Twitter Richard Nixon: “Nunberg’s lawyer just died in a car crash as he raced over to cut the phone lines”

    The unraveling yet to come is going to make today look like a boring office on a slow day…

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    The Dangerman says:

    @jacy:

    …he’s saying Trump knew all about the Trump Junior meeting with the Russians…

    Has it been established that he wasn’t there personally? Because he sure as shit knew about it if he wasn’t there personally (having a hot Russian lawyer show up sure sounds like a job for Trump personally).

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    Jeffro says:

    @Corner Stone: Generous to a fault, you are.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @trollhattan: Love me some Perry and Della. Perry Mason gives lawyers a good name.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Better still, he’s white, he’s in charge FOR LIFE and he’s one of the world’s richest men who was also a frickin’ spy, maaaaan.

    Does it get better than that? It does not. If you’re going to be an oligarch, be an oligarch who’s also in charge of everybody who could potentially nationalize you or round you up.

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    @🌷 Martin:

    However, a public announcement of defiance likely improves your odds of a Trump pardon (see Joe Arpio).

    Forget it. Trump pardoned Arpaio because it galled him that brutal racist violence might be treated as illegal. So far, he’s shown no interest in pardoning witnesses Mueller drags in. My best guess is, he’s such a mean, selfish asshole that he can’t grasp the idea that protecting other people in a dangerous situation might also protect himself. All he knows is throwing people to the wolves.

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    John Revolta says:

    @trollhattan: I knew one of y’all jackals would pull it up.
    Ain’t no Johnny Rivers though.

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    Bruce K says:

    Whiskey Tango Actual Foxtrot?

    OK, this is all happening faster than I can keep up over here in the GMT+2 time zone. Someone email me if the cheeto decides to toss a nuke to create a distraction or something.

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    LAO says:

    I picked the wrong day to get bit by a dog, what in holy hell is going on here?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Here at Balloon Juice we provide only the best, most star studded guest starring TV police procedural theme clips.

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    MCA1 says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Right. Not only that, but pretty much every email system I know has a search function that would allow him to go through every subfile and archive that he’s created in an hour or two. It’s not that hard these days.

    His whining in that interview came down to “they’re inconveniencing me AND I might have to say embarrassing things about my friend.” Two of the weakest excuses yet invented for not complying with a lawful subpoena.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jeffro: Some people say it’s my most defining quality. And I’m getting recognized more and more for it.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @LAO: Jeebus, what are you? Cole of the Norse? A bike rider tried to kill you and now you get bit? Stay off rooftops young lady!

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    eric says:

    I cannot even fathom why my most recent comment is in moderation. it is one word U L T R A M A N and a link to the theme song. i refuse to believe that made the bad word list…..

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @eric: Doctor Who! The original Delia Derbyshire electronic/musique concrète arrangement, though some of the others are also worthy.

    The tune was composed by Ron Grainer, who also wrote the Prisoner theme. But what Grainer had in his head probably sounded a lot more like the Prisoner theme; Derbyshire turned it into something radically different.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Are those Yooge Yugas?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jacy:

    And now he’s saying Trump knew all about the Trump Junior meeting with the Russians, and he doesn’t think he should have tried to hide it.

    He pretty much said the same thing to Ari Melber two week’s ago. Hence the subpoena.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    Here’s how to beat The Man when you get nailed for … parking illegally:

    One morning in my Berkeley student days I forgot to move my car in time and found it ticketed … as were all the other cars on the block. A neighbor came out and said, “No problem.” He plucked every ticket from every windshield — probably 15-20 in all — and stuffed them into a manila envelope with a scrawled note that said something like, “Down with the oppressor class! No illegal tax on my brothers and sisters! Free parking for the people!” Then, laughing like hell, he mailed it to the Berkeley Police. I never heard another word.

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    LAO says:

    @Corner Stone: I’m pretty sure a bus is next. I fully expect to be killed by a bus next week. Shit happens in 3 right?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Sam Nurnberg doesn’t seem real good at getting Meuller to be less interested in him

    Natasha Bertrand @ NatashaBertrand
    ! Tapper: Do you think Donald Trump knew nothing about that [Trump Tower] meeting?
    Nunberg: “No. You know he knew about it. He was talking about it a week before…I don’t know why he went around trying to hide it.”

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    LOL. Just came home from a tactical mission (involving pants) and turned on MSNBC. They’re showing a photo array of Trump campaign aides from whom Mueller is seeking documents. Nine photos, all pasty white guys except two, which stand out all the more. 1. Hope Hicks with long, flowing hair worthy of a L’Oréal commercial. I mean longer and poofier than I’ve ever seen on her in real life. 2. And Steve Bannon, whose skin, seriously, is bright pumpkin orange. I cannot believe he has ever been that orange in real life. Somebody in the graphics department has got to be trolling us. Wish I could do a screen cap.

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    trollhattan says:

    @John Revolta:
    Agreed. Not many teevee themes become hit singles and that one deserved to.

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    efgoldman says:

    @joel hanes:

    Boring show; electrifying theme.

    Very similar to the theme of the first symphony by Erich Wolfgang Korngold. Don’t ask how i know.
    But Peter Gunn is the best of the best, with Hawaii Five Oh an honorable second. We adapted Peter Gunn as the entry music for our hockey team mm#p*pf decades ago – I think the pep band still uses it.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Very Yooge. We are in the fourth Yuga, its the baddest of them all.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    …and speaking of British science-fiction shows, the original “Tomorrow People” also had a great, eerie theme song and opening credit sequence.

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    NotMax says:

    @trollhattan

    Burke’s Law (a/k/a Amos Burke Secret Agent) was fairly popular, running multiple seasons. Now, if you wanna talk forgotten (both the show and the theme)…

    :)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Dangerman: It’s been established he was in the building. Specifically in his office when the meeting was occurring.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @WaterGirl:

    This thread has made it perfectly clear to me that they just don’t do theme songs like they used to.

    They really don’t, on broadcast TV. Amongst other things, they’re shorter these days – to make room for advertising.

    Now on cable, theme song scan still be long enough. I like the GoT theme. But it’s not written so it could (almost) be a pop song, so it’s different too. The Fosters’ theme is still kind of in the old vein.

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    @trollhattan:
    Mainly, he’s white and he’s offered to be their ally against the brown hordes. These are desperate times, and they know damn well they’re having to cheat to maintain a white hold on power.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    “Have Gun, Wiil Travel” had a mighty good theme, too.

    I was so young that when they showed his business card — which said, simply, “Have gun / Will travel” and, below, “Wire Paladin / San Francisco” — that I thought the hero’s (Richard Boone) first name was Wire. It was odd that nobody ever called him that …

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): Take a photo of your TV screen!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    (involving pants)

    You poor bastard.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): I’m looking at it now. Looks like they were supposed to apply the pumpkin filter one square to the left, missed, and said screw it.

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    Barbara says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I mean if he really doesn’t want to spend time combing through his emails to find the ones that match the subpoena he can just send them all his emails.

    Exactamundo. He might try to get an agreement to claw back the ones for which he has a colorable claim of privilege. I am sure the FBI will also oblige him with a full list of e-mails and names to search for. Should take 10 minutes to complete the search and then do another search for possible lawyer names, at which point, those are the documents you have to review.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I’m aware.

    Once upon a future past…

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    trollhattan says:

    @Hungry Joe:
    That’s hilarious, and not out of the realm of possibilities that a cowpoke could be nicknamed “Wire.” He’s Stretch’s buddy, see? Also Bob’s.

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    mozzerb says:

    @Roger Moore: I see your Peter Gunn and raise you The Protectors:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcfGeNqp-bY

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    efgoldman says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Perry Mason gives lawyers a good name.

    Obviously a fictional character

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    Weaselone says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    If he was in his office there’s no way he wasn’t at least listening in.

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    @oatler.:

    Forget Goya, bring on Bosch!

    Bruegel is always good.
    https://www.wikiart.org/en/pieter-bruegel-the-elder/two-monkeys-1562

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: at one point there was a story that he sent Ivanka out to be pretty for the Russians, which seems very plausible

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    Brendan in NC says:

    It’ll end like this clip from Apocalypse Now:

    https://youtu.be/LnHTWRcyU1g

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    Barbara says:

    Okay, after leaving Katy Tur, Nunberg apparently dialed into CNN to talk to Jake Tapper. Maybe Tapper told his staff to hurry up and call him to see if he wanted to keep talking. Anyway:

    Nunberg: “Do you think I should cooperate?” @JakeTapper: “If it were me, I would.”

    This is really nuts.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I’d put Tank! at #2, just below the Green Hornet theme which is the undisputed best theme song ever.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @efgoldman: hahaha

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Tom Levenson, top:

    he’s kinda saying “trust me” when, if I may be so bold, I don’t.

    Well done, Tom. That’s Die MeisterZinger von Nunberg.

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    JPL says:

    @LAO: What happened?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Brendan in NC:
    I have The Doors cued up and ready. “This is the end…”

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    Barbara says:

    Now, AP tells me that Thad Cochran is resigning effective April 1. I assume his health issues make the prospect of a contested primary especially hard for him.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Weaselone:

    …there’s no way he wasn’t at least listening in.

    I could see Junior texting Trump (“Dad, hot Russian lawyer down here!”) and Donald racing for the elevator.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    @trollhattan: Paladin was NOT a “cowpoke”! He was a sophisticated, be-ruffled gentleman of the great city of San Francisco, who occasionally accepted assignments that involved trading his fancy duds for an all-black tough-guy outfit, riding into dusty Western towns, and killing a bad person. Or two. Or three. Sometimes he determined that the bad person was his employer, which was especially cool.

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    Jeffro says:

    T.R.N., again:

    They’re going to find Nunberg dead in a Best Western out in Cockeysville, dead of a “heart attack”, with three broken fingers and a made bed.

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    BretH says:

    Loved the Avengers theme almost as much as the show.

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    NotMax says:

    @https://www.balloon-juice.com/2018/03/05/this-will-end-well-2/#comment-6783858

    Ditto (regardless of what one’s opinion of the show) the theme for Bonanza.

    Also too, Rawhide (but only when sung by Frankie Laine).

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    Also from the same show’s opening theme: Advice to Arjun on becoming a Karma Yogi
    Karmanye vadhika raste
    kar = hands, so karma ==deeds you perform (English Baker, maker has the same root)
    Translation:
    You have the right to action, but never to its fruits.
    Let not the fruits of action be your motive, nor let your attachment be to inaction.

    कर्मण्येवाधिकारस्ते मा फलेषु कदाचन।
    मा कर्मफलहेतुर्भूर्मा ते सङ्गोऽस्त्वकर्मणि॥ २-४७

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: That is awful.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @WaterGirl: @Roger Moore:

    Cool, never heard that before. I wonder if Sugarloaf watched that show. The link is to Green-Eyed Lady… similar bass line starts around 0:20.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    @The Dangerman: I could see Junior texting, “Dad, get me out of this!”

    But Warren Zevon is dead. And Junior is alive. Justice in this world? Oh, come now.

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    NotMax says:

    Whoopsie. #177 meant to be

    @Hungry Joe

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    danielx says:

    @jacy:

    A meltdown worthy of the shitgibbon himself.

    IANAL, but my impression is that refusing to comply with a subpoena from a federal grand jury is not an option. You may stand mute or plead the Fifth, but you do have to show up and if you don’t, you can and will be held in contempt of court.

    Am I wrong?

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    cosima says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Not sure what SVR is. This is some sloppy work, IMO. The buzzfeed link talks about a poisoning that the UK & France both seemed inclined to sweep under the rug(s). This mess today shut down a hospital and exposed how many UK citizens to who knows what???? The UK isn’t really going to be able to sweep this one under the rug, whether or not he survives.

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    Jeffro says:

    meanwhile, via CNN via the WSJ, it looks like Cohen complained to friends that he hadn’t been reimbursed…(by whom?)…for the Stormy Daniels $130k

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    Schlemazel says:

    They should treat this clown the way Starr treated Susan McDougal. She testified what she knew but not what Starr wanted to hear so he held her in contempt. For 18 months they held her at different maximum security facilities including one where she was in a plexiglass box for all to see but not allowed contact with anyone.

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    Ninedragonspot says:

    For me, even the greatest themes for TV shows pale a bit when stripped from context. One of the things that made Tank! and other opening themes so exciting were the title sequences that went with them. The combined effect of sound and light is greater than the sum of the individual components. I’ve often thought that there should be a Museum of Title Sequences.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Brendan in NC:

    Dude, you gotta close the link after you put in the URL, else it eats the reply button, as it did in your comment. The link button above the text box will look like “/link” until you mash it again to achieve closure.

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    Bruce K says:

    Forget Apocalypse Now, we’re probably only one more Mueller announcement from the Layla sequence out of Goodfellas. With about the same chance for this gang of crooks to get away clean.

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    Barbara says:

    @danielx: You can move to quash. If you do nothing they typically move to compel, if you were a corporate defendant, anyway, but my guess would be that they are either getting or in the middle of executing a search warrant. This is simply bananas. I wondered who would really crack up first and Nunberg seems to be the one. He has now contacted the Washington Post, MSNBC (Katy Tur) and CNN (Jake Tapper). Who’s next? Or maybe his lawyer has finally tracked him down.

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    Bruce K says:

    @danielx: I think there may be legal mechanisms for protesting a subpoena. I don’t think “thbfft” is on the list.

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    Shell says:

    Remind him to carry his toothbrush….just in case.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Hungry Joe:
    That may be so but where’d he get the name Wire unless he’s a former cowpoke–or an ex-miner? Lots of those wandering the region.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    he’s not done…

    Josh Robin @ joshrobin
    I just talked w/ Sam Nunberg. He attacks @ PressSec & describes close role w @ realDonaldTrump campaign. Coming up @ NY1 (no typo in this).

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    eric says:

    @Barbara: all that effort kinda moots the inconvenience argument for compliance….

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Oh, good. My work here is done.

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    LAO says:

    @JPL: I got in the middle of a dog fight between Maggie and another dog. When I got hold of Maggie, the other dog got me on the right hand. No tendon damage though, so I dodged a bullet.

    The worst thing is that it can’t be stitched for 3 to 5 days because of the risk of infection.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @trollhattan: “Wire” in the 19th Century was used as a verb meaning “to contact” (implying by telegraph.) Apologies if that’s obvious and I missed your point.

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    NotMax says:

    @trollhattan

    Why’re you always askin’ if we want to play chess?

    :)

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    LAO says:

    @danielx: You are correct.

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    patrick II says:

    “The Russians and Trump did not collude,” Nunberg said. “Putin is too smart to collude with Donald Trump.”

    Which begs the question why was Nunberg working to elect a man as president who he thought was too stupid to deal with Putin?

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    raven says:

    Wire Paladin
    San Francisco

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    jl says:

    @patrick II: I guess the bet was, for people like Nunberg, that Trump would work for the GOP and their funders.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    It’s been a far-ranging conversation. WWASD? (what would Al Swearengen do?)

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    Gemina13 says:

    . . . the fuck did I just watch?!

    Holy shit, that was the flop-sweat performance of all fucking time. Nunberg came off as a small-time hood who tried skimming off the top, and is now facing the boss and two goons in a dark alley on New Year’s Eve. Hope he likes how he looks in orange, because that appears to be this season’s in-color for Trumpians.

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    @patrick II: David Brooks defense of T was that he is too stupid to collude.

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    clay says:

    @Barbara: I don’t want to get my hopes up. After all, it IS Mississippi. (Then again, it WAS Alabama…)

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    @Adam L Silverman: I know that you know, but you asked, so I had to answer.
    Ask (a question) and you shall receive (an answer)…

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    Redshift says:

    It’s a minor thing, but it still bugs me that newspeople reporting on these stories about how the Russians offered Hillary’s emails have completely dropped mentioning that as far as we know, the Russians didn’t have Hillary’s emails! The DNC got hacked, John Podesta got hacked, but for all the sound and fury about her emailz!!!1!!, unless I missed something, her private email server was never hacked.

    It pops up repeatedly, like when this wackadoodle rambles about “Hillary should have protected her emails.” I don’t doubt that it’s an article of faith among wingnuts that they were stolen, but everyone else shouldn’t be helping maintain that.

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    Now I want to name a Dungeons & Dragons paladin Wire.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Apologies if that’s obvious and I missed your point.

    The unfortunately obvious thing is how old those of us who know what it means, are.

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    danielx says:

    @Barbara:

    Or maybe his lawyer has finally tracked him down.

    And slapped a strip of Gorilla Tape over his mouth, presumably.

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    Ninedragonspot says:

    @Redshift: thank you for mentioning this, I was thinking the same thing. Does demonstrate, though, how Nunberg &c. could be such suckers for the tantalizing promise of Hillary’s secret stash.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Jeffro: So let me see if I understand the sequence of events.

    1. Stormy Daniels signs a NDA in exchange for a promised payment of $130K from T.

    2. Months later, election 2016 looming, she hasn’t seen a dime (surprise!) and threatens to break the NDA.

    3. Cohen scrambled to put together an LLC and launders $130K of his own money Theo then it to pay her. T no doubt agrees to reimburse him.

    4. Months later (surprise!) Cohen hasn’t seen a dime.

    Hmm, there’s a pattern here I can’t quite put my finger on, but it seems familiar…

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    JPL says:

    Jane Mayer had a blockbuster article today, and because of Nunberg’s antics it’s not going to get much coverage.

    @LAO: Stay away from buses.

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    piratedan says:

    @Hungry Joe: I have to admit TV themes are a small small passion of mine, but for some reason the animation themes seem to stand out… as such, I give to you…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIhEpjnaNlo

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    clay says:

    @Redshift:

    It’s a minor thing, but it still bugs me that newspeople reporting on these stories about how the Russians offered Hillary’s emails have completely dropped mentioning that as far as we know, the Russians didn’t have Hillary’s emails! The DNC got hacked, John Podesta got hacked, but for all the sound and fury about her emailz!!!1!!, unless I missed something, her private email server was never hacked.

    Yeah. And this has been brought up before, but it’s also worth recognizing that Trump & Co really really REALLY wanted Hillary’s e-mails!!! The Russians weren’t tempting them with DNC e-mails, or Podesta e-mails. No, the Russians (falsely) dangled Hillary’s e-mails, and we’ve heard of various other attempts by the Trumpers to get Hillary’s e-mails.

    Why? It seems that the Trumpers were legit Fox News marks, who believed everything they saw in the right-wing media. They really seemed to believe that a) Hillary was as corrupt as they kept claiming, and b) her e-mails would somehow have documentation of this corruption.

    It’s somewhat ironic that those e-mails, which caused the ruin of Hillary’s campaign, may also be the root cause of the end of the Trump administration.

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    patrick II says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    As noted earlier by Adam: 1. Peter Gunn Theme

    2. The Rockford Files theme

    I see Dangerman mentioned Rockford Files earlier and I missed it. But it was nice hearing it again.

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    James E. Powell says:

    Is it possible that this is a gambit by the Trump team to force a public conflict that they believe will rally public opinion to their side?

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    NotMax says:

    @trollhattan

    “We’ll admit you look halfway decent in the gown and wig, but we’re not a-gonna call you Barb. How about we compromise on Wire?”

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    Ruckus says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I know/have known a few who wouldn’t claim to always be a Marine but of all the Marines I know they are probably a small percentage of the total. Even my peacenik buddy who served in country and feels bad that he is supposed to have served in combat while never having fired his M16 while in Vietnam even though he carried it every day, will acknowledge a Marine in uniform with a semper fi.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Redshift: Exactly. The effect of the EMAILZ! story was to fuse “Hillary Clinton had a secret email server she wasn’t supposed to have to keep incriminating evidence hidden” and “hackers hacked some emails relating to Hillary Clinton.” So it became “Hillary Clinton had a secret email server but hackers hacked it, bwahaha, sucks to be her, karma’s a bitch too.” And I’d bet the percentage of the American public that thinks that’s what happened is about 90.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Maybe the best night ever was watching Bear and his band perform this live at The Mint. I also saw them do season 2 & 3 numbers at another spot over a year later. What a big sound from a small group of guys! Oh, and Raya sang Lords of Kobol. *happysigh*
    I am fb friends with Bear, who regularly does blogs and video of his composing work. Walking Dead, Outlander, etc. And he and Raya have an adorable daughter now. I live for FB dad-fail posts of every kind.

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    Another Scott says:

    @NotMax: But maybe not the lyrics

    Beyond
    The rim of the star-light
    My love
    Is wand’ring in star-flight
    […]

    Wagon Train to the Stars!!11

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    I can report that as of 5:12 Steve Bannon’s face has been color-corrected. Hope Hicks’s hair remains poofy.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @LAO:

    I’m pretty sure a bus is next. I fully expect to be killed by a bus next week. Shit happens in 3 right?

    Whatever you do, don’t mop naked.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Well played, Maggie.

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    piratedan says:

    @Yutsano: just be happy that I can’t find a clean version of the Love Hina opening theme :-)

    but JQ set the standard for cool animation themes it seems to me…

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Amir Khalid: The new claymation film from Aardman Studios, Early Man turns out to be MINOR SPOILER one long joke about English soccer / football.

    The game is invented when a strange looking meteorite lands near Manchester (hence the tenuous relevance to your comment) and the plot hinges on a match between the Bronze Age Team, heavily loaded with egotistical imported players, and the Stone Age Team.

    We suspected there were many inside jokes that were escaping us as Americans. But at least I know the name Manchester.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    I’m still going through this entire comment thread so maybe someone has already noted this, but Josh Marshall over at TPM believes one of two things likely happened with Nunberg, given that he’s never been this off the wall before:

    1. He found something in his own subpoenaed materials and is freaking out because he’s now implicated.
    2. Somebody (Trump, Mueller, Russia) got to him and either made it clear how much trouble he’s in, or threatened him.

    I find both of these explanations pretty credible.

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    danielx says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    That would be the pattern of Trump not paying people and entities to whom he owes money.

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    patrick II says:

    @The Dangerman:

    The Wire: “Down in the Hole”. Five seasons, five different renditions of “Down in the Hole”.
    They were all great, but my favorite is Season 1 by the Blind Boys of Alabama.

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    NotMax says:

    @efgoldman

    Not to mention old enough to know that paladin (which wasn’t the character’s real name) is also another name for the knight in chess – hence its use on the business card.

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    Ruckus says:

    @LAO:

    Shit happens in 3s, right?

    Well I used to think this but the last 24 yrs has convinced me that at least for me it’s just a never ending parade that rolls by whenever I feel like I’ve started to recover from the last one.
    I’m going with “If it’s not one thing, it’s another.”
    I’d make you a list but it’s too depressing. To me. I just keep putting one foot somewhere near to in front of the other and hope I don’t fall flat on my face. And no that’s not a life system, it’s what I have to do now to walk with the feet only sort of going where I think they will.

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    Olivia says:

    @Hungry JoeI loved “Paladin”, the show and the theme song. I used to run around singing it at the top of my lungs.

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    NotMax says:

    @Another Scott

    Guilty admission.

    I can still sing it all the through from memory. And do when people refuse to believe there were lyrics.

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    James E. Powell says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    The whole emails things was mixed in with every other Hillary story, including those spread by our good friends Bernie & the Jets, into an amorphous “Hillary is Corrupt & Bad & a Big Fat Liar!” Everyone in the press/media reported these stories with unrestrained glee.

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    Another Scott says:

    @clay:

    It seems that the Trumpers were legit Fox News marks, who believed everything they saw in the right-wing media.

    Rmoney had the same disease and got eated during that debate with Obama because of it. (0:39).

    The echo chamber is finally, finally catching up with them? Maybe?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I wish I wasn’t so late to this thread, because I would have added that ‘Tank!’ is in my top five, along with the intro to Band of Brothers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvwpmWuMO2s

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    Another Scott says:

    @NotMax: rofl. That’s great.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    I think people are giving Nunberg too much credit being an attorney. While the attorneys I know are very sharp, I am reminded that Orly Taitz carried a law license here in CA. The legal profession has it’s own share of idiots.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Another Scott: I used to have a lot of hero worship for Roddenberry. Still have some residual admiration I guess, for creating that universe and fighting for the diverse crew and the other ridiculous fights he had to have with the network. (Some of which he lost: Kirk had to turn Uhura away from the camera and not actually be seen kissing her. Though as Nichols tells the story, Shatner insisted on lots and lots of rehearsal of the kiss).

    Anyway, that whole story of Roddenberry writing pointless lyrics that nobody knows exist, just to steal half the royalties, kind of dulled his star for me.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Ooh, I like this:

    In the middle of his cable spree, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders delivered her daily briefing and suggested Nunberg was woefully misguided in his allegation that Trump may have committed wrongdoing during the campaign.

    “I think he definitely doesn’t know that for sure because he’s incorrect,” Sanders said. “There was no collusion.”

    Nunberg dismissed Sanders’ response later during an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper, saying he didn’t “want to hear from what’s-her-name today attacking me.”

    “What’s-Her-Name”

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    Is he drunk dialing or what? It’s like watching the fall of Caesars

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    rikyrah says:

    @Percysowner:
    This was said a couple of weeks ago. LarryO needs to have on the former IRS agent. They need to finish their interrupted conversation.

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    Aleta says:

    This tree went down in the windstorm. If one believed in the stuff, another portent of danger to democracy:

    George Washington’s Diary – July 13, 1785
    “Transplanted the Spruce & Fir (or Hemlock) from the boxes in which they were sent to me by General Lincoln to my Walks by the Garden Gates.”

    The tree was sent by General Lincoln from Massachusetts.
    — Rob Shenk (@robshenk) March 5, 2018

    The frost on the tidal basin cherry blossoms after they took office was another fairy-tale type omen, though most did eventually flower, and the trees themselves were not affected.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Yeah, that was a dick move at least on the surface (and maybe otherwise – I don’t know enough about the details).

    Repost: How to be a fan of problematic things

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Ninedragonspot: Certainly true of sixties Doctor Who, mentioned above–the otherworldly theme music was coupled with an effect that was just black-and-white video feedback, the effect of a TV camera pointed at its own screen just so, so that the video signal reverberated through the system. It looked like nothing anyone could identify, a tunnel of amorphous blobs hurtling at the viewer. Later on they replaced it with slit-scan animation similar to the psychedelic sequences from 2001, then other effects that were not as cool.

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    john fremont says:

    The bass guitar opening to the Barney Miller Show still does it for me.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    Look, forget the myths the media’s created about the White House–the truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

    Just keep repeating that line over and over in your head.

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    Olivia says:

    @efgoldman: Speaking as one of the olds, when I first watched Paladin at the age of 7 or 8, I knew what “Wire” meant; we all did. Way back then, in the 50s, there were still telegrams and the term “wire” was used in regard to them.

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    Quinerly says:

    Excellent lawfare piece just up recapping Nunberg’s breakdown😈 and what happens next: http://www.lawfareblog.com/sam.....a-meltdown

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    efgoldman says:

    @Ruckus:

    I just keep putting one foot somewhere near to in front of the other and hope I don’t fall flat on my face.

    An inspiration. Really, no sarcasm.
    You and I and some other old farts around here could hold a constant pity party. You don’t want to do that, neither do I.

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    Quinerly says:

    Nunberg to be back on MSNBC at 5 Central time. Melber’s show.

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    jonas says:

    @Betty Cracker: Shorter Nunberg: “I started going through my emails with Bannon and Stone and everyone and thinking, woah, I definitely don’t want a special counsel looking into Russia collusion seeing this shit!”

    The canonical history of the Trump administration will be titled They Kept Saying the Quiet Parts Out Loud

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Quinerly:

    Nunberg sat for an interview with Mueller’s team last week, but he appears to have turned against the special counsel in a fit of pique over the breadth of the subpoena handed to him by the grand jury. “Should I spend 80 hours going over my emails, Jake?” he asked CNN’s Jake Tapper, somewhat plaintively.

    No need to go through them, Sam. Just turn all of them over.

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    Aleta says:

    @Roger Moore: I’m not going to compete, but my brother sang this for years.

    eta Can’t compete w/ yours
    eta. Notmax rules.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @jonas:

    The canonical history of the Trump administration will be titled They Kept Saying the Quiet Parts Out Loud Through A 50,000 Watt PA System

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @MisterForkbeard: I saw Nunberg on Joy Reid once and he was exactly the same. Giddy, oafish, interrupting, very proud of himself.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @🌷 Martin:

    I had (mercifully, if all-too-briefly) totally forgotten about Orly Taitz.

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    Quinerly says:

    @different-church-lady: I think he found something incriminating when he started going through them. Katy Tur said she talked to him last night around 10. Something happened between then and her show at 2:00 when he called in.

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    NotMax says:

    @Olivia

    Most certainly. “Send flowers by wire” was a slogan used in ads.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I voted for her in the primary. Couldn’t resist.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Oh, “Man” as in “Man U.”

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    It’s like watching the fall of Caesars

    I was in Vegas for the fall of The Sands. I think Caesars is still going strong.

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    frosty fred says:

    @NotMax: I sent and received telegrams in the ’70s.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @FlipYrWhig: D’oh! That would be one of those jokes every English person would get, which completely escaped me till now.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Olivia:
    The last telegram I received was in July of 1970.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Hey-yo! (Ed McMahon voice.) Sam Nunberg is popping up again on Ari Melber’s show. They’re going at it right now.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Nunberg says Roger Stone is his mentor and a personal friend. Gotta question your life choices if you end up in that place.

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    @efgoldman: Korngold: first and only, tho’ the Sinfonietta Op. 5 is really a symphony. Anyhow, if you like the Korngold symphony, you might like my Sixth.

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    Ruckus says:

    @efgoldman:
    Thank you.
    This seems to be an issue of my neuro situation. I find that I have to actually watch my feet or I will trip or fall over things that never used to be an issue. Stairs, curbs, uneven sidewalks….. Makes walking a bit harder in the city if you can’t watch as much for cars and the assholes who sometimes drive them. OTOH it makes it a bit less likely to step in dog shit.

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    patrick II says:

    @efgoldman:

    Obviously a fictional character

    Perry Mason was based on attorney Jake Ehlich, the defense attorney in the obscenity trial for Alan Ginsberg’s poem “Howl”.

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    Ruckus says:

    @different-church-lady:
    The concept was good, you made it better.

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    danielx says:

    @Steeplejack:

    The difference between heaven and hell: the company you keep.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Nunberg’s affect is like he’s in a dispute with a car dealer over a convoluted leasing agreement. “I’m not paying 50 cents a mile over 15,000!”

    The only thing I can figure is that if Roger Stone is his mentor Stone might be telling him, “Hey, it’s all smoke! I’ve never gone to jail, and look at all the dirty shit I did! You’ll be fine.”

    Well, not yet, Roger.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Ahhh LV. Lovely town I’m glad I never have to see again. I did however see them blow up something there, I think where they built the Stratosphere. Seeing bits of it destroyed was worth having to travel there for work. Nothing else has been worth it.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @NotMax: “a knight without armor in a savage land”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @cosima: Russian Foreign Intelligence. FSB (successor to the KGB) is domestic intelligence. GRU is military intelligence.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @patrick II:

    That sounds like bullshit. The Wikipedia article on Ehrlich has that claim unsubstantiated, and the first Perry Mason story came out in 1933, when, by that same Wikipedia article, it appears that Ehrlich was a young San Francisco attorney of (perhaps) some local renown. Erle Stanley Gardner, Perry Mason’s creator, lived and practiced law in the Los Angeles area at the time and was already a prolific writer for the pulp magazines.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @VeniceRiley: Please pass on my compliments.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Major Major Major Major: “Wy’ehr, Knight of Lathander”.

    For some reason, this reminds me of my favorite character I ever played “Quar’los Bigwand”, elven sorcerer and sometimes stage performer. :)

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    English is always changing. Hopefully for the better.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Ruckus:

    I find it helps to occasionally think about lifting my knees, as if I were in a marching band.

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    Beautifulplumage says:

    All the talk of tv show themes got me to look up Honey West! A 1 season PI show starring Ann Francis as Honey, who’s pet is an ocelot. My 4 year old brain was captivated by it in 1965. I remember playing her with one brother as my sidekick Sam and the other as “the bad guy”.

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    kattails says:

    All this just reminded me of a comment someone here made a while back, I screen-shot it but missed the commenter’s name–(many apologies)–“It’s like a bunch of cockroaches in a pitch-black apartment stood end on end to flick on a 75-watt kitchen light. WTF were they thinking?”
    Still holds. They all could have sat back and enjoyed their millions. What in the name of Goddess did they all think they were playing at? It just seems an endless parade of greed, pettiness, corruption, ambition of the worst sort. Enhanced by mind-numbing stupidity. With a large petulant orange toad sitting in the middle of it.

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    Ruckus says:

    @joel hanes:
    Thanks
    Tried that, it really is that my body doesn’t seem to actually know where my feet are. And it works both ways, up or down, curbs, stairs. Up till a very few months ago I always just looked where I wanted to be. Now I can’t do that I have to constantly know what the terrain is doing, which way it is going, every step. I’ve caught myself several times in the last couple of months, it’s very disorienting for me. It’s like I have to learn to walk all over again.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Corner Stone: zing!

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    Gemina13 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: My brother informs me that there are no former Marines. There are Marines no longer serving, retired Marines, and dead Marines, but you’re only an ex-Marine if you’re dishonorably discharged.

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    fuckwit says:

    the chicken, you must keep fucking it.

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