Point & Mock Open Thread: Devin Nunes, Self-Own Master

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    dmsilev says:

    Ted Lieu
    Dear @DevinNunes: You are free to leave California. Under federal law you don’t have to live in your district.

    Sneaky, Congressman Lieu, sneaky.
    (As I understand it, you don’t have to live in the district, but you do have to live in the state)

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    trollhattan says:

    I can’t believe the House survives being home to two super-geniuses at the same time: Nunes and Gomert.

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    satby says:

    @dmsilev: Nunes is stupid enough to fall for it though.

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    NotMax says:

    3rd world meaning “too many of them dusky peoples.”

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    Jay says:

    Nune’s is going to be joining the Cast of Orange is the New Black, Washington Edition.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I do belive Trust Fund Tucker lives, or used to, in California. Wasn’t his Pappy, who owns a collection of canes and walking sticks valued at a million dollars according to an article I read probably twenty years ago, a news anchor in the third world shit hole of San Diego? I think that’s where they park the Birds-Eye family yacht.

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    The Dangerman says:

    CA has highest taxes in USA that make it hard for people to afford to live here.

    Which is why the Republicans do so well in the Jungle Primaries here … oh, wait.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    The West Virginia thread appears to be dead.

    Would rejoining Virginia help WV’s problems or just drag Virginia down? Can states be combined? I’m not aware of any mechanisms for that.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: Lompoc’s nice.

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    condorcet runner-up says:

    I thoroughly enjoyed every one of those follow-up tweets.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Pgm Note:

    If you get a chance, watch/record “The Independent Spirit Awards” on the IFC channel tonight.

    I recorded it earlier today and I’m 30 minutes in and it is riotously hilarious. This is what the Oscars should be like.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Shhh! If you say that Nunes won’t want to move.

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    Mike G says:

    Yes, yes, California is a third-world hellhole of stultifying socialism. That’s why industries that rely upon creativity and innovation, like tech and entertainment, are nowhere to be found in this state.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @dmsilev: It’s strikingly unusual for Congresscritters to live outside their districts, even though it’s allowed. Contrast the UK where there are no residency requirements and it’s fairly common for Londoner politicians to win seats in Parliament well outside London. Is the difference primaries, or what?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Lompoc’s Amtrak station is cool. It’s literally right next to the beach, with sand dunes butting up against the tracks. You only see it from the Pacific Surfliner, though, not the Coast Starlight.

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    dmsilev says:

    FTNYT news alert: “The special counsel inquiry appears to be widening its focus to whether an adviser to the United Arab Emirates has a role in U.S. policymaking”

    (story link)

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    Roger Moore says:

    @NotMax:

    3rd world meaning “too many of them dusky peoples.”

    This. Republicans are incapable of seeing a majority minority state as anything but a 3rd World hellhole. It gives people in Alabama and Mississippi a way of feeling superior.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Lompoc’s nice.

    I bet we can get Devin a cell with a decent ocean breeze.

    BTW, Lompoc has a great golf course (La Purisima). Unless the wind is blowing, in which case, how about a nice game of chess?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Aw, damn, Charles Emerson Winchester, the Third, has quit this mortal coil.

    David Ogden Stiers, known for roles as Major Charles Winchester III on M*A*S*H, John Cusack’s dad in ‘Better Off Dead,’ and the voice of Cogsworth in ‘Beauty and the Beast,’ has died after a battle with bladder cancer

    I used to listen to a lot of audiobooks when I spent a lot of time in the car. He was one of the best readers I ever heard.

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    dmsilev says:

    @B.B.A.: Primaries might be part of it, but “he’s an outsider who doesn’t understand people here” is a potent message in a lot of campaigns.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Lompoc is still in California.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @B.B.A.:

    It’s strikingly unusual for Congresscritters to live outside their districts, even though it’s allowed.

    There’s no constitutional requirement for Representatives to live in their districts, but many states have that requirement.

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    dmsilev says:

    Also, does forcing your daughter to watch Tucker Carlson on TV (or anywhere, really) count as child abuse?

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    satby says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: RIP, I still watch MASH almost every day. They just marked the 35th anniversary of the series finale.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: The most naive people imaginable. They think they’re fleecing everyone else while they’re the actual marks.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Roger Moore:
    It’s funny because Alabama and Missippi are closer to being 3rd world countries than California ever could be. The UN even sent a fact-finding mission there recently and was appalled at conditions in Alabama. World’s Greatest Country indeed.

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    Jeffro says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    Would rejoining Virginia help WV’s problems or just drag Virginia down?

    Oh HELL no…

    /this Virginian

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    seaboogie says:

    I live in NorCal and love living in this state. It’s not just the climate or the people, it’s also that we believe in good government, and we have that.

    So – for those of you who missed the late night thread on Thursday, I was the victim of an armed robbery in the sweet little artisan jewelry boutique in which I work. I was hit on the head with a gun, handcuffed and forced face down on the floor with a gun jammed into my head.

    The robbers got some jewelry and also took my keys. We replaced the locks on the door to the store, but they also have my car keys (I am using my spare), so now I have to have my car’s door locks replaced so the robbers don’t send someone to steal my car – on top of all the earlier fun I had.

    Welp, today I learned that CA has a Victims of Violent Crime Fund, and that will pay for having my car’s door locks replaced, in addition to lost wages for the time that the shop is closed and we install new security measures.Yay CA!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Which is doing an amazing job and being recognized more and more.

    More seriously, you want him out of his district and some place where he can’t cause trouble, so Lompoc is close and convenient.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:
    No hellhole! No hellhole! You’re the hellhole!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @dmsilev: FTNYT news alert: “The special counsel inquiry appears to be widening its focus to whether an adviser to the United Arab Emirates has a role in U.S. policymaking”

    They oughta leave that to Bandar Bush and BiBi Netanyahu

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    condorcet runner-up says:

    The chosen economy for an exemplary comparison was not accidental:

    For comparison purposes, Russia is the 13th largest economy.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    Open Thread: “Oklahoma teachers planning statewide strike”

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142003637
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-.....ide-strike

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    Jeffro says:

    Gee, this doesn’t sound too optimistic: ‘Pure Madness’: Dark Days Inside the White House as Trumpov Shocks and Rages

    …“I think the president is starting to wobble in his emotional stability and this is not going to end well,” McCaffrey said. “Trump’s judgment is fundamentally flawed, and the more pressure put on him and the more isolated he becomes, I think, his ability to do harm is going to increase.”

    This portrait of Trump at a moment of crisis just over a year after taking office is based on interviews with 22 White House officials, friends and advisers to the president and other administration allies, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly discuss Trump’s state of mind.

    The tumult comes as special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russia’s 2016 election interference and the president’s possible obstruction of justice has intensified. Meanwhile, Kushner, a White House senior adviser, was stripped last week of his access to the nation’s top secrets amid increasing public scrutiny of his foreign contacts and of his mixing of business and government work.

    Trump has been asking people close to him whether they think Kushner or his company has done anything wrong, according to a senior administration official. Two advisers said the president repeatedly tells aides that the Russia investigation will not ensnare him — even as it ensnares others around him — and that he thinks the American people are finally starting to conclude that the Democrats, as opposed to his campaign, colluded with the Russians.

    Wow.

    He really isn’t going to understand what the special linked bracelets are for when the time comes. Damn it. I wanted him to fully, completely understand exactly what was happening to him. I think we’re going to be cheated out of that, unfortunately.

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    Feebog says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Just north of Lompoc is one of the best steakhouses in California; The Far Western. Not too far off the 101 in Orcutt.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Millard Filmore: Go red state teachers GO! You have absolutely nothing to lose and the rest of the education community stands with you.

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    @Roger Moore:

    Republicans are incapable of seeing a majority minority state as anything but a 3rd World hellhole.

    Literally incapable. It’s far beyond ‘I would be miserable around those brown people.’ Dogma tells them it must be squalid, crime-ridden, etc and facts just… don’t get a walk-on. They know what must be true.

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    jl says:

    @Feebog: Don’t have time to see whether another commenter mentioned it, but Lompoc has a federal prison. Even if Nunes not prompted to move there, he might be visiting some of his work buddies there soon.

    As for the tweet, if Nunes wants to tweet out attack ads against his own campaign for the midterms, that is fine with me.

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    BellyCat says:

    @seaboogie: Gulp… :-(

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    JR says:

    @B.B.A.: it probably has something to do with feudalism; lords of means would typically live near the monarch. If you lived in your country estate it meant that you were broke.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Jeffro:

    He really isn’t going to understand what the special linked bracelets are for when the time comes. Damn it. I wanted him to fully, completely understand exactly what was happening to him. I think we’re going to be cheated out of that, unfortunately.

    I could live with seeing him dragged out of the White House in a stupor; even if he doesn’t understand what’s happening, all of the deplorables would.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @seaboogie:

    I live in NorCal and love living in this state. It’s not just the climate or the people, it’s also that we believe in good government, and we have that.

    I don’t know that we have good government; there are many facets of our government I’m unhappy with. But California at least has a goal of having good government, and we’re constantly working to make things better. One of the things I find most frustrating about conservatism is its inherent defeatism. The belief that government is the problem rather than the solution is a prescription for paralysis and decay because it denies that we can work together to fix our problems. One of the things that’s supposed to be so great about America is our optimism and can-do spirit, and Republicans want to rob us of even that.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Feebog:

    Just north of Lompoc is one of the best steakhouses in California; The Far Western.

    I’ll have to add to the list. Along with a place closer to Lompoc that is famous, which is the Hitching Post in Casmalia. Never been there where it hasn’t been packed. Worth the effort (Casmalia isn’t completely in the boonies, but you can see it from there).

    Me, I’m a Jocko’s man (Nipomo).

    ETA: While we are talking good food and small towns of the Central Coast, here’s a shoutout for fine pizza at a place called Full Of Life Flatbread. No other reason to go to Los Alamos (other than to see where McCartney and Jackson did one of their videos; yes, it’s close to Neverland).

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Millard Filmore: Because of cash shortfalls, several OK school districts are on 4day school weeks. And this state was supposedly once the most socialist state in the US!

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    randy khan says:

    It’s a pity he’s stooped to making up stories about his daughter.

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    Mike G says:

    Nunes should work on improving conditions in federal prisons.
    This subject may become very relevant to him in the near future.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Millard Filmore: As Eric Loomis rightly noted and highlighted (highlit?) at LGM: the minute the Supremes rule in Janus, if it undermines the unions, they destroy the agreement that corporations have had with unions (and been cheating on) for decades: that the unions would help manage the workforce to prevent strikes and other actions that were disruptive for business. The minute you get rid of that, the unions, despite being formally weakened by not being able to charge dues for those covered by the collective bargaining agreement that don’t want to join the union, suddenly get a whole new set of weapons. They just have to be willing to use them. This will be a dog that caught the bumper scenario.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Fun quote from the article:

    By some accounts, it was Mr. Bannon who pushed for him to gain access to White House policymakers. Others said Mr. Kushner backed him.

    Hopefully, the White House staff is so busy knifing each other in the back that they have less time to spend screwing over the rest of the country.

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    gene108 says:

    @Millard Filmore:

    A nation wide teachers strike would bring the economy to a halt. Too many people base their ability to go to work on the fact their kids are in school and then will be in after school programs.

    Take away that surety and a lot of folks have decide to try and work or stay home with the kids or fork out money for a baby sitter.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    In other news, Donald Tяump wants to try having a president for life here, since he’ s so impressed by how China now has one.

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    chris says:

    @seaboogie: Jesus. I hope that you’re OK.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @seaboogie: I’m so sorry. What did the docs say about your head? Everything okay, no issues due to being pistol whipped?

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    No Drought No More says:

    Nunes represents a certain type of progress for Californians, i.e., first Nixon, then Reagan, and now Nunes. It’s like watching King Kong slowly putrefy over the course of decades on a Manhattan sidewalk. And not that anyone in California is about to lose any sleep over it, but Paul Ryan of Wisconsin can dismiss Nunes from the House Intellience Committee an hour ago or tomorrow or any damn time he chooses (lest we forget who’s who on our scorecard).

    The fucks are all in it together. God grant America a congressional democrat with the patriotism to speak that truth aloud.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: that sucks. He used to narrate PBS “American Experience” documentaries.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Roger Moore: I can totally get behind what you said.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The belief that government is the problem rather than the solution is a prescription for paralysis and decay because it denies that we can work together to fix our problems.

    Consider this: American conservatism is simply 5 point Calvinism, leaning heavy on the determinism, applied to everything. Everything and everyone is inherently corrupt and corrupting, therefore nothing can improve anyone’s lot.

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    Mary G says:

    NY Magazine has an excellent long read on the Parkland Activist teens.

    Most of these kids are juniors and ­seniors who, in the taxonomy of high school, were the “misfits,” says David. Theater geeks and drama nerds and journalism fanatics, these are the kids who like to perform, who have scrutinized the president’s use of Twitter, who voraciously consume media of all kinds.

    Sound like Balloon Juice kind of people.

    It’s really interesting. The activists are older and were not in the freshman building where most of the shooting took place. The kids that were there are being allowed to stay out of the spotlight and try to heal.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: One of the side benefits of what Mueller is doing is that all the corrupt practices we take for granted in US politics are going to get a good airing out and cleaning out. He’s going to look into every nook and cranny following the money and the lines of influence within all these networks.

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    Leem says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: we could combine and add Puerto Rico. Viola, no new flags needed.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Too close, I’d prefer Elko, NV*.

    *He did say he wants out of this 3rd world shithole state.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Funny you should comment as such. I haven’t been to a doc because I just got health insurance again on the day of the robbery, and it wasn’t until later that night/next day that I discovered the bumps on my head and realized what had happened. Brain function seems to be fine and pupils are equal and normal, so I don’t feel a need to sit in an emergency room for no reason.

    BUT, I was pondering the notion of “pistol whipped” earlier, and wondering if my experience qaulified for that. Does being whacked on the back of the head with a handgun qualify? If so, I was definitely “pistol-whipped”.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @seaboogie: Yes, you were pistol whipped. You also need to be checked for a concussion and TBI. An urgent care facility will work or your GP on Monday as soon as they can work you in.

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    seaboogie says:

    @BellyCat: @chris:

    I am as okay as one can be. I have a massage scheduled for tomorrow, and EMDR (it’s a PTSD thing) session scheduled with my former therapist – who offered it gratis – on Wednesday. I talked to my therapist the day after the assault and that was helpful. Today I found myself triggered by Leslie Knope shouting “Attention!” on a episode of Parks and Rec, so I decided to get in front of the situation and scheduled the session with my therapist. That was some deeply surreal and violent shit that went down.

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    quakerinabasement says:

    California? Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.

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    B.B.A. says:

    Because I’m a terrible person: pistol whip.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: aw, damn, indeed. I never heard him as an audiobook narrator, but I will never forget his delivery when as Charles Winchester he blew off Hawkeye and BJ with the words,”Rave on, supercilious twits”.

    That phrase entered my lexicon at the tender age of 13 or so and has never left it, but I’ve never been able to match DOS’s tone, hard as I might try. Love audiobooks, will have to seek him out as a narrator.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @seaboogie: Yeah, I saw that in the previous thread, but it was dead. Glad you are OK!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The belief that government is the problem rather than the solution is a prescription for paralysis and decay because it denies that we can work together to fix our problems

    Amen, brother!

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    chris says:

    @seaboogie: Good, that’s what I wanted to hear but didn’t like to ask.

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    Another Scott says:

    @seaboogie: Do get checked out. My J was in a car accident in a parking lot and didn’t think much of it, but hours later was throwing up from the whiplash. Years later she developed TMJ and has had continuing issues with it (because her jaw was slightly dislocated from the accident 15 years earlier).

    If anything at all seems different or unusual, get it checked out.

    Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Huh. I am trying hard to keep this experience at a somewhat arms length sort of thing to avoid incorporating it, especially as it felt so surreal. I thought it was a prank at first – how the mind works. Thank you for your feedback.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Another Scott: Thank you.

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    Related:
    SF Chronicle: So many people are leaving the Bay Area, a U-Haul shortage is jacking up prices

    Rent a moving truck from Las Vegas to San Jose and you’ll pay about $100. In the opposite direction, the same truck will cost you 16 times that, or nearly $2,000. What accounts for the difference? The simple laws of supply and demand, says economist Mark J. Perry. With so many people leaving the Bay Area, there are not enough rental trucks to go around… A study published by Redfin found the Bay Area continues to lead the country in outward migration.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Everything and everyone is inherently corrupt and corrupting

    So that’s where they got the idea of projection. The concept that if they are doing it so must everyone else. Especially those they oppose.

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    satby says:

    @seaboogie: just glad you came out of that safe and you’re going to get compensated for the expense and lost income. They may also pay for some trauma counseling if you feel a need.

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    @seaboogie: Whoa, holy cow! Glad you’re okay, hope the EMDR helps, my mom speaks highly of it.

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    seaboogie says:

    @B.B.A.: Of course I clicked on your link, because I am sorting all of this out. What happened was I was totally focused on the gun in the cartoon image. While I don’t specifically remember the initial attack and “pistol-whipping”, I do remember the sight of the gun pointed at very close range to my face, and having it jammed against my skull while I was handcuffed, face down on the floor. What I remember is that the round barrel sticks out about 1/16th of an inch further than the rest of the front part of the gun. If I have any of this wrong, I am sure there are experts here to correct me.

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    Wapiti says:

    @Jeffro: If (1) he isn’t charged before the midterms, and (2) the Democrats take the House, I *really* want them to call Pence to testify whether Donald is competent to serve as President. Stick Pence in *that* perjury trap.

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    No Drought No More says:

    NYT’s tonight: “..In the case of Qatar, which is the host to a major United States military base, Mr. Trump’s endorsement of an Emirati- and Saudi-led blockade against that country has put him openly at odds with his secretary of state — as well as with years of American policy..”.

    But Mr. Trump’s endorsement does see him openly aligned with the best interests of Russia. The United States cannot afford to wait until the November elections to act. Trump must go now, and any American opposed his going is a rank traitor to this country, too.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I had it once before a few years ago and I had a massive anxiety attack. My therapist was all “Ohhh…I wish I had some Xanax to give you”. I texted my therapist today that I have both Xanax and Ativan, so I am prepared for whatever arises, and coping thereafter.

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    trollhattan says:

    @seaboogie:
    A: aaack!
    B: Yay, and phew!

    Cars still have keys?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Wapiti: Nah…Pence is purposefully NOT being around Trumpov as much as possible for multiple reasons, that kind of thing being one of them. Whatever he doesn’t expressly see/hear with his own eyes/ears (or see/hear with another witness nearby who can counter his testimony, that is), he’ll deny.

    As far back as his time in the House and then his governorship, and certainly in the 2016 campaign – I mean, his debate with Tim Kaine was textbook Big Fat Hairy Lie One After Another Without Blinking – the man has had no problem telling the most incredible, unbelievable lies. In his mind, it’s all justified. He gives himself a ‘religion pass’ on lying the same way Paul Ryan gives himself a ‘Randian pass’.

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    Libraryguy says:

    @seaboogie: “Welp, today I learned that CA has a Victims of Violent Crime Fund, and that will pay for having my car’s door locks replaced, in addition to lost wages for the time that the shop is closed and we install new security measures.Yay CA!” For every ass that says ‘government is the problem, not the solution.’ So glad this program exists!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    The inside of the house is down to 50. I am promised electricity tomorrow afternoon. Let’s hope.

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    trollhattan says:

    @seaboogie:
    Have done a fair amount of “research” i.e., internet checkin’ and such on concussions and the lack of reliable chemical markers for diagnosing their occurrence and importantly, for evidence of healing. Because my kid plays soccer and that’s the #1 sport for concussion in girls.

    Anyhoo, my takeaway is play it safe, get fully checked out and avoid any and all activities that could lead to a repeat injury because that’s where permanent brain damage occurs. In my kid’s case that would be staying off the field, in yours…not going to work? I dunno, no skateboarding and such.

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    seaboogie says:

    @trollhattan:

    Cars still have keys?

    Yeah man – my car has a rear camera with video display and is having a grand romance with my phone (Oh – I see you baby – you’re just 100 feet away), but still needs a key to get going.

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    satby says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I hope you get it back soon. No fireplace or gas oven? The January I had no heat in MY I baked a lot, and cooked a lot of soup. Gas range, no electronic ignition, but I’m old enough to remember how to light them with a match.

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    @seaboogie: Wow that must have been quite an experience. Glad you are safe and sound.

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    seaboogie says:

    @trollhattan:

    in yours…not going to work? I dunno, no skateboarding and such.

    Well, selling fine jewelry does not typically involve a lot of head injury, but Thursday was an a-typical day. Now, if I got on a skateboard? – that would be a giant festival of contusions, bruises and breaks all over the damn place. I’m talking Cole-esque.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Gas stove and fireplace. Too lazy to light a fire right now.

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    trollhattan says:

    @seaboogie:
    Heh. Did a 15-year leap and went from a key-and-remote car to a dongle in my pocket (heh x2) that demands I touch the door handle to open or lock and push a start/stop button. It still seems weird but I’m now offended the spouse’s demands I put the dongle in a dash slot before pushing the start/stop button. Hrrmph! Hers has no external key slot anywhere.

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    seaboogie says:

    @schrodingers_cat: thank you

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    @Jeffro:

    worried that the president’s obsession with cable commentary and perceived slights is taking a toll on the 71-year-old. “Pure madness,” lamented one exasperated ally.

    the developments have delivered one negative headline after another, leading Trump to lose his cool — especially in the evenings and early mornings, when he often is most isolated

    Oh boy.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I remember reading somewhere that Winchester’s character was written to be an upgrade to the character of Major Frank Burns — stuffy and conservative, but not a fool, and not nearly as easy a mark for Hawkeye and Hunnicutt as Burns was. Or that was how Stiers decided to play him, anyway.

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    efgoldman says:

    @dmsilev:

    even if he doesn’t understand what’s happening, all of the deplorables would.

    I’m really not sure of that. The denial and unmooring from reality are strong in those ones

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    B.B.A. says:

    @seaboogie: I did not mean to trigger any unpleasant memories with my link. My nature is to react to unspeakable tragedy with nonsensical humor, much like that “Simpsons” clip. I’m frankly horrified by what you went through, and wished to lighten your mood, and evidently I failed miserably. I am so sorry.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This will be a dog that caught the bumper scenario

    Law of unintended consequences.

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    RSA says:

    @seaboogie: Wow! I’m glad you’re okay, and I hope everything turns out well in the end.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    I will never forget his delivery when as Charles Winchester he blew off Hawkeye and BJ

    For us, the unforgettable episode was when he had his French horn sent from the states, and annoyed the living shit out of Hawkeye and BJ, until they ran over the horn with a jeep.
    Our daughter had just started horn in school (she still plays) and she sounded an awful lot like Charles at the time.

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    Doug R says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Just north of Lompoc is one of the best steakhouses in California; The Far Western.

    I’ll have to add to the list. Along with a place closer to Lompoc that is famous, which is the Hitching Post in Casmalia.

    Didn’t try the steak, but we did catch Andrew Dice Clay at Tommy T’s in Pleasanton.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @seaboogie: You’re welcome, just get checked out.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ruckus: It is an unfortunate partial legacy of the Puritans.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @seaboogie:

    I am so sorry, Seaboogie. I’m a northstate resident, too. Our state has wonderful aspects, but with 40 million people (guessing a bit), we have lots of crime as well.

    I hope you experience a full recovery–physically, emotionally, spiritual.

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    seaboogie says:

    @B.B.A.: No hon, don’t apologize – it’s not necessary. I get why you posted it and your post made me curious. It’s kind of like prodding a bruise, to see how tender it is or isn’t anymore. So it was informative for me, and will be helpful when I do my EMDR session.

    Also – and you read my inquiry to Adam correctly – I was (before his post) curious about whether I had experiened a pistol whipping. I was driving home last night and literally remember pondering during my turn through the roundabout whether that was a pistol whipping, and what “whipping-ness” constituted.

    What did register for me though, was handgun, and threat to my life…so my brain is newly rewired in that way from recent experiene.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I am promised electricity tomorrow afternoon

    Had a blip for a few seconds mid-evening (last nite) and had to reboot everything.
    My MIL in Halifax MA had a limb go thru the outer (peaked) roof of her mobile home (yes) but not the inner, flat roof. Has heat and power. She’s a tough old (87) bird.

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    Doug R says:

    @seaboogie: PTSD is a common thing. I walked in as a robber was walking out of a bank, he had a hostile vibe, but I didn’t know anything until the bank employees told me.
    I was a courier for a national company at the time and in uniform, but the cops still had a few questions for me.
    It mentally shook me up even though literally nothing happened to me.
    The robber was a repeat offender, a couple of weeks later the cops pinched him.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @seaboogie: Fully crowned barrel. The only good news is that even with a crowned barrel, because they jammed the business end of the pistol against you, the gun wouldn’t (most likely shouldn’t – there are, unfortunately, no absolutes) have cycled if fired. Unless it was built with a guide rod/recoil spring that protrudes a bit from the front of the slide below the barrel allowing the action of the gun to cycle, which some of the smaller, subcompact “self defense” pistols have to overcome this problem in a self defense situation. This is one of the major differences between semi-auto pistols and revolvers. A revolver’s action involves the cylinder, not the slide, and will therefore fire regardless of whether the business end of the barrel is jammed against someone/something or not.

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    Doug R says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Depending on gas prices and distances, it may be worthwhile to go to the new town, rent the Uhaul there and drive it back, fill it up and drop it the new town.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @efgoldman: OMG, I had totally forgotten that episode, but I remember it now! LOL!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @efgoldman: Yep. These folks always seem surprised when they get what they want and it then creates an entirely new reality that doesn’t conform to their desires.

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    Alexi says:

    @Roger Moore: Right? Because third world countries are characterized by high taxation levels to invest in services and infrastructure?! It only makes sense through a racial lens.

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    MomSense says:

    @seaboogie:

    Oh no!! I’m so sorry that happened to you. I’m glad to hear CA has a victim’s fund you can access. Would it pay for some massage therapy and some time with a counselor who specializes in trauma? Please take care of yourself.

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    @Doug R: I had the same thought, but hopefully things will settle down a bit before I flee.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Consider this: American conservatism is simply 5 point Calvinism, leaning heavy on the determinism, applied to everything. Everything and everyone is inherently corrupt and corrupting, therefore nothing can improve anyone’s lot.

    …especially if/since/because it helps me stay on top…

    (not you, Adam…I was channeling the Calvinsts…)

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    cynthia ackerman says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I’ve been less impressed with EMDR.

    In any case, it takes many more than a single session to approach effectiveness. Patience and persistence are key.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Oh boy indeed. So hard to draw a conclusion here…and yet, certain folks better hurry up and draw some conclusions quickly. All of the worst-case scenarios will only remain unthinkable until they happen.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    My daughter says Devin Nunes is a Douche Lord, whatever that is.

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    MomSense says:

    @seaboogie:

    Please go get checked out. Most victims funds pay for medical care so there is no reason to delay seeing a physician.

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    efgoldman says:

    @The Midnight Lurker:

    Devin Nunes is a Douche Lord, whatever that is.

    It’s not a compliment

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    @The Midnight Lurker:

    My daughter says Devin Nunes is a Douche Lord, whatever that is.

    Probably exactly what it sounds like.

    ETA @efgoldman: no shit

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: No worries.

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    Suzanne says:

    @seaboogie: HOLY SHITCAKES. So glad you’re okay.

    CA is lovely. Everyone wants to live there. It’s literally manifest destiny.

    What are the odds of Nunes not being reelected next cycle?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @danielx:

    “And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot some day.”

    Oh dear god.

    Sorry Twerp, the 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution stands in your way, you goddamn fascist.

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    mainmata says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: Well, before 1862, West VA was part of VA and left it because of VA’s secession (quelle ironique, given WVa’s current politics). So, in theory, it could go back to being part of VA or become part of MD or PA for that matter. Not much to be gained by joining with KY; they’re just as backward.

    Seriously, given just how many states used to be part of other states (e.g. TN used to be part of NC) and I think KY actually also broke off from VA.) Finally, ME was actually part of MA until 1819. So there’s a lot of legal precedence for splitting though I’m not sure states have actually pulled together. Frankly, I think Mississippi, Louisiana and Arkansas should become a single state. Right now they are the three poorest with little hope of ever becoming anything other than racist basket cases.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you for this information. I am actually laughing out loud a bit, because a) I am alive to have this discussion, and b) because I appreciate your expertise.

    Do you remember us having a comments thread on body work, and whether you would have my 12 or my 6, and I was all over the 6, and you were all “body man has the 12?” And now we are discussing the finer points of pistol whipping in a non-theoretical sense. Good times. Also, Trump is President*

    * See also, Russia

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    danielx says:

    @The Midnight Lurker:

    #1 definition from urban dictionary –

    1.Person/s that demonstrates all the qualities of being a douche so well, they could in fact be a deity among douches.
    2.The lord and messiah of all douches.

    #2 probably comes closer to the mark in this instance, however –

    Someone who has reached such a high level of douchebaggery that they are respected and held in high esteem by other douchebags. The leader of the douchebags.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Suzanne: I have no interest in living there. Among other things, the coast is on the wrong side.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Will private sector unions be affected?

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    eric says:

    @danielx: That would mean Obama could run against him in 2020. A would give up an arm, leg and kidney for that!

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    danielx says:

    @seaboogie:

    Glad you came out as well as you did, but please get that whack on the head checked out….

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @seaboogie: You’re welcome, I think…

    The good news is you made it through in one piece. Hopefully the store owners will spring for some better security for you all.

    And just make sure to get checked out for concussion or TBI as soon as you can arrange it.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Suzanne:
    I know I do someday. I loved LA when I visited there before the 2016 election. Happier times.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    She seems nice!

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    Jeffro says:

    Whoa. I mean, whoa. I missed this during a busy day, but now, I have to say I agree completely: Go Ahead, Millenials, Destroy Us

    *note: by “us”, they don’t mean the United States…they mean Gen X and above…

    You know why? Because by and large, my Gen X generation is for shit…fucking Reagan babies…

    One of my students once asked me, when I was teaching the writing of political op-ed essays, why adults should listen to anything young people had to say about the world. My answer: because they’re afraid of you. They don’t understand you. And they know you’re going to replace them.

    My message, as an aging Gen X-er to millennials and those coming after them, is: Go get us. Take us down — all those cringing provincials who still think climate change is a hoax, that being transgender is a fad or that “socialism” means purges and re-education camps. Rid the world of all our outmoded opinions, vestigial prejudices and rotten institutions. Gender roles as disfiguring as foot-binding, the moribund and vampiric two-party system, the savage theology of capitalism — rip it all to the ground. I for one can’t wait till we’re gone. I just wish I could live to see the world without us.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: I’m not sure. If SteveATL turns up you should ask him, he’s the labor lawyer. Or maybe OO knows.

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    Aleta says:

    @seaboogie: An good osteopath can also check people out for concussion, and advise whether they should go to a medical center for imaging. A good gentle osteopath can do noninvasive things that ease trauma effects and soothe a person’s neck-head connection, which also helps blood flow or energy flow. There’s also a technique called “mechanical link” that some PTs do, it’s very subtle (feels like nothing) but I found it helpful for a sudden physical trauma on my head and neck.

    Thinking of you often.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I actually don’t really want to live there, either. I am one of the few who thinks that the Bay Area is just meh, and LA is a wretched pit of despair. San Diego is glorious, though. Mr. Suzanne is from the South Bay and would love to move back, but I am pulling for somewhere with cold-ass weather.

    After Spawn the Elder graduates HS…..peace out, AZ.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Jeffro:

    the moribund and vampiric two-party system

    Um, I don’t think this is ever going away.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman: @Major Major Major Major: hey, hey, I’m sure she’s a “very fine person”…

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    Jeffro says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: Read the whole thing so you don’t miss the larger point…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jeffro: Too late.

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    danielx says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    If there is one thing in this uncertain world which I regard as tolerably certain, he regards laws as artificial constructs keeping him from doing as he likes, including the Constitution. Although I am also reasonably certain that a second term for him is about as likely as winning the lottery or more improbable yet, his suddenly turning into a semblance of a sane and semi-lucid president.

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    sralloway says:

    @quakerinabasement: Sounds like a Yogi Berra comment.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Will do. I don’t know enough about the UFCW to know if it’s a shitty union or not, but I’m pissed since I just joined that I could get fucked over by an asshole like Gorsuck.

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    @danielx: to be fair laws are artificial constructs keeping people from doing things

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    seaboogie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh, I beg to differ sir – I beg to differ. And I have lived on both coasts, and also in Cheeselandia.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Aleta: Smooches to youches.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Given the demographics at the school and in Citrus County, they’re likely to futz around for a bit and then when the public pressure finally builds enough they’ll petulantly do something about this.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ah well, it wasn’t my quote anyway…

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Correct. The implicit threat of violence is what gives laws teeth. And the opposite works in reverse for idiots like Trump who want to become dictators.

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    Yutsano says:

    @seaboogie: I have a 2016 VW Passat. It has all kinds of neat bells and whistles. And a switchblade key. My friend who’s a blade enthusiast was intrigued by it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @seaboogie:

    I haven’t read the whole thread, but there is apparently a connection between concussion/minor brain trauma and PTSD, which is yet another good reason to do the eye thing (EMTI?). Good for you that you are immediately taking steps to deal with the trauma rather than letting it fester.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Jeffro:
    I understand the point:

    Younger people will eventually replace older people and will change the world they live in, hopefully for the better. And I think we will. But a big part of why we have a two party system is because of how the government is structured. And to change that will take some heavy doing, like changing the constitution (or even throwing it out!). I’m no purist and think that if a better system could be created then the the current constitution could be abandoned.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: I think the real issue is going to be Justice Kennedy. He’s perfectly okay with money equaling speech and there being no issues if that money and that speech is from corporate and/or wealthy interests. He has always been hostile when the money and the speech are coming from labor.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    IIRC, when he did the comedy central roast, he told them his hair was off-limits

    “So many people have been leaving the White House. It’s invigorating since you want turnover. I like chaos. It really is good. Who’s going to be the next to leave? Steve Miller, or Melania?” Trump quipped, according to White House pool reports.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: Red states mostly take from the Federal government while quite a few blue states pay more into the Federal government than they take. I’ve never heard of California being anything close to a third world country.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: I really think you’re letting this one clause overpower the essay.

    @Adam L Silverman: I read that he was, ah, unpleasant during oral arguments.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    So Kennedy is a hypocrite. Someone should ask him why money as speech coming from labor is such a bad thing and how that’s different from money from corporate sources. Maybe he has made the distinction in his opinions in some hackneyed and tortured way already.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Probably. When I read that phrase my purity pony klaxon went off.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    the coast is on the wrong side.

    It is, but your coast isn’t even a coast

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    Doug R says:

    @Suzanne:

    I actually don’t really want to live there, either. I am one of the few who thinks that the Bay Area is just meh, and LA is a wretched pit of despair. San Diego is glorious, though. Mr. Suzanne is from the South Bay and would love to move back, but I am pulling for somewhere with cold-ass weather.

    Oregon is nice.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It did take an embarrassingly long time for me to get my brain wrapped around the concept of the large body of water being to the west instead of the east when I first moved out here. I did eventually get it straightened out.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @efgoldman:

    Tell it to the Coast Guard, pal.

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    GregB says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Can we assume she’s the next, new fresh face on the New York Times op-ed page?

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Tell it to the Coast Guard

    Out there, they’re on the wrong side, too.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @M. Bouffant:
    That’s terrible. How fucking hard would it be to build some housing for the homeless? Or just make available housing affordable for them?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @M. Bouffant:

    Hard to believe that someone could write an entire article about homelessness in Los Angeles and not once mention the mentally ill, but they managed it, despite the fact that the one homeless person they interviewed specifically mentioned her struggles with mental illness that have put her in and out of jail.

    Any Los Angeles area housing solution that does not include community-based mental health assistance (including, but not solely, addiction treatment) will fail. A huge part of our homelessness problem is a lack of effective and sustained mental health treatment. Spend any weekday inside a public library to see what I mean.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    How fucking hard would it be to build some housing for the homeless? Or just make available housing affordable for them?

    The trick is not to have Reagan as your governor, destroy the state mental health apparatus, then pass a bunch of tax-revolt bullshit that pushes up property values, and then have Reagan as your president, destroying the federal mental health apparatus, and then spend the next thirty years building no housing.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Jeffro: For what it’s worth, going by modern polling, GenX’s opinions are further left than those of any of the older cohorts. This may not have been true in the 1980s or early ’90s, but it is now. We actually moved left a bit while the Boomers moved right.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    See my comment just below yours. It’s not as simple as building housing, because a large number of homeless people have existing issues with mental illness that make it difficult for them to keep an apartment or room even if they find one.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I’ve never heard of California being anything close to a third world country.

    Ever been to the Tenderloin district?

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    seaboogie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You’re welcome, I think…

    Adam, thank you for everything else, but that felt condescending to me. I am trying very hard to manage a surreal, life-threatening traumatic experience in my monastic, solitary way. Sometimes I use levity to help in that process, both for myself and for others.

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    @Steve in the ATL: third-world slums are actually often cleaner than the TL.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    a large number of homeless people have existing issues with mental illness that make it difficult for them to keep an apartment or room even if they find one.

    They used to reside in mental hospitals, until Reagan closed them and created the large homelessness problem. This was just before he created the giant budget deficit problem.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    It did take an embarrassingly long time for me to get my brain wrapped around the concept of the large body of water being to the west instead of the east

    Like those freaks in St Joseph—who lives on the east side of a lake?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: private sector unions won’t be affected by this case. They have already been fucked over thoroughly by prior cases.

    ETA: trifecta!

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    scav says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Well, by the generalized equivalent of that rule, I don’t think there’s a first world country on the planet.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @scav: Luxembourg

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    Aleta says:

    @seaboogie: Don’t want to go on too much since you’re already touching all the bases. … But to clarify, mechanical link is just one of lots of therapies that deal with connective tissue. When a body is in an accident, or gets roughed up or hit, or scared, (or even if one part gets used repetitively) the connective tissue in an area will sort of seize up to protect it from any further damage.

    (Connective tissue stretches through the whole body. It’s the wrapping around every single muscle, organ etc, and connects the muscle/organ/etc to the part next to it. It’s a kind of stretchy web (a lot like knitting) that responds when you pull on it, so each part is connected through it to everything else in the body. )

    So its response is protective, but after the accident or trauma is over, it may keep holding on, which eventually will pull on a lot of other areas. (If a sweater gets a hole and is mended by thread, that spot no longer stretches in every direction.)

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Those mental hospitals were inhumane hellholes. It was cheaper to shut them down than to run them humanely after patients’ rights groups brought suit.

    Wingnuts tend to phrase this as “it’s the ACLU’s fault for suing them out of existence.”

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    @B.B.A.:

    It was cheaper to shut them down than to run them humanely after patients’ rights groups brought suit.

    Yes, and it reflects poorly on the decision-maker if they do so.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It is an unfortunate partial legacy of the Puritans.

    That I know.
    Along with a few other oddities that still affect us way too many years later.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @B.B.A.:

    Our chosen alternative of having people live in tents on the street while continually harassing them is not notably more humane, though it is harder to organize against and bring court cases about.

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    trollhattan says:

    Heh, well, as a non-morning person I say sunrises are overrated and sunsets are the shiizit. Also too, the green flash (also a better-than-average brewer). “Hi li’l Kim!” [waves]

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Aleta:

    Ah, so it’s probably the connective tissue that gives me that weird sensation of having a stiff membrane surrounding my bad knee. It even has a “hole” for my kneecap.

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    trollhattan says:

    Kid and date went to see “Black Panther” tonight but we got to theater after the starting time (not factoring a gazillion trailers) so while dropping them off I warned they may only see panther.

    Dad humor is always appreciated, believe me.

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    @Matt McIrvin:

    For what it’s worth, going by modern polling…

    So what did you think of President Hillary’s SotU speech?

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    Ruckus says:

    @danielx:
    drumpf’s job has term limits. I’m pretty sure that he won’t be able to carry out his duties even as half-assed as he is now by the time the official term limit is up. But I’d bet that he will have a hell of a time getting past the half way point of that official term limit because at the rate he’s going there won’t be much chance of him getting reelected. Of course he could have destroyed way too much before he gets even that far. Gross incompetence in a president is not a good look or practice. And if there was any doubt about this before, that’s been massively wiped out in just a year.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Aleta: this makes a lot of sense. thank you.

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    @Major Major Major Major:

    dad jokes are great.

    I always tell myself that.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    That other coast is the wrong side. You have to get up early in the morning to see the sun low at the horizon and over the ocean. No such horrible requirements here on the proper coast. We have sun low to the horizon over the ocean at a civilized hour. In some circles it’s called beer-thirty. Others wine-thirty. Much, much more civilized than having to get up at the crack of dark-thirty or miss it. Of course if you want to see the sun low to the horizon and over water you can do that twice a day in 2 directions. Cross one of the major oceans in a ship.

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    Aleta says:

    Defying Gravity, Jesse Winchester
    I live on a big round ball
    I never do dream I may fall

    I don’t even know where we are
    They tell you we’re circling a star
    Well, I’ll take their word, I don’t know
    But I’m dizzy so it may be so

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    Washburn says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Raygun started cutting the hospital budgets in 67 – that was 50 years ago. I don’t think many people on the streets nowadays were in institutions back then.

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    @Washburn: oh god we are all going to die

    ETA very solid prose in that article btw

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    trollhattan says:

    @Washburn:
    I just assume every day in the White House is like that. They’re not all stupid, how did they expect him to act? “Oh, we’ll control him.” As if.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Washburn:

    You might be surprised. But the point is actually that mentally ill people don’t have anywhere to go, because there are no state facilities anymore. If someone does have a meltdown, they either get taken to a psychiatric ward for a 72-hour hold, stabilized, and released, or they get taken to jail with no treatment.

    And when they get released, there’s no follow-up, because there are no neighborhood clinics to help them. It’s pretty much, Here’s a handful of anti-psychotics, try to stay out of trouble. And when they can’t, they end up in state prisons where they at least have a minimal chance of being diagnosed and treated … until they get released with no access to healthcare other than Medi-Cal and the cycle starts up again.

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    @Mnemosyne: let’s not forget that Reagan then, while president, dismantled federal mental health treatment and sent it to the states.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    Or talk to the lady I rode the elevator at Vons with yesterday. (Vons has roof parking at one Pasadena store) She didn’t know we’d had a recession this century, she lives in a 15 yr old POS van, and clams to be disabled. Oh and she wanted to know if I have WiFi, and from the question and the look on her face when I said yes, I’d bet the disability is mental. I also used to see a lot of the same people who lived on the street when I owned the business that I’ve explained was 2-3 miles from downtown LA. Almost all of them had noticeable mental issues.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ruckus:

    They now have a part-time social worker at the Pasadena library to try and steer people to the few programs that exist, because the librarians and patrons basically begged for it. She does her best, but if people don’t want to be helped, there’s not much she can do.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mnemosyne: @Major Major Major Major:
    The critical legislation in California was the Lanterman–Petris–Short Act. Liberals considered it a humanitarian pathway to freeing people from a lifetime of what was effectively incarceration in ineffective facilities (“Coocoo’s Nest”) and Republicans considered it a way to save money and shrink gummint. We are indeed harvesting its consequences even now.

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    James E. Powell says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    Obvious answer is that corporations are the job creators, the whole point of being a corporation is so that you can go around creating jobs. The only things that prevent you from creating more jobs are taxes and government regulations, which are always bad. Labor unions, on the other hand, are leftist socialist probably really communist organizations that steal money from their members – calling them dues – and drive big black cars and smoke fancy Cuban communist cigars and who really want to destroy all the job creators.

    About half of American thinks like this.

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    mainmata says:

    @Major Major Major Major: But does that mean they are all leaving CA? We all know the Bay Area has a grave housing crisis. Even many well-paid professionals cannot find affordable housing. Maybe they’re just moving to Oakland.

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    @mainmata: Bay Area != San Francisco… and the article cited prices in San Jose. I’d imagine it means the Bay Area. I’m sure many are staying in california.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Washburn:
    I had an aunt who lived her entire adult life in a home of one kind or another. I visited her once at a state mental health hospital which doesn’t exist any more. She wasn’t dangerous, she just needed help. Today she’d live on the street if there was no one who could care for her. There are lots of people like this, M4 laid out the situation very well above, we have Reagan to thank for this. It is and has been a conservative principal for ever that you take care of yourself or you die, that the rest of us owe you nothing if your health, mental or physical is not 100%, tough shit. It’s bullshit, plain and simple, especially when people espousing this have 10s to 100s of billions of dollars in wealth or can’t even remember the number of homes they own.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Aleta: Thank you for all the tunes, you are a peach!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Just saw this summary for the March 2nd episode of Ben Shapiro’s shitty podcast:

    “Trump endures staffing problems, announces tariffs and tanks the markets, and says we should give drug dealers the death penalty. So, things are going just fine”

    The title of the episode is Goverance by Chaos. Even some of the true believers are catching on.

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    scav says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Snapshot of the Current State of Poverty in Luxembourg. Granted, they’re at least trying, whereas others with purported safety nets are busy widening the holes and fraying the network. And there are states other than CA practically attaching roller skates to the less well off (if not pushing their heads under claiming it’s a way to teach them how to recognize fish). Lotta grey cats

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    Ruckus says:

    @trollhattan:
    I volunteered in a mental health clinic in the mid 70s, one day a week, for a number of years as a counselor. It was in a reasonable neighborhood, mostly we dealt with relationship issues. The basis for the clinic was also that we were a suicide hotline. We didn’t get a lot of suicide calls, I got one in my time. We, and other clinics like us, were basically the front line for the mental health system by then. If someone needed more help than we could provide we had to refer them to private practices, a lot of whom tried to take up some of the slack. It didn’t work well, even in that neighborhood which had almost no homeless.

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    Aleta says:

    @Washburn: I have a relative whose first break was around 1970, and many since. Each time in order to recover he needed to be hospitalized and at least once institutionalized, because the hospital (before Obama care) kept discharging him before he was well. He got married during one of his recovery periods (she knew his history). If not for her he’d be in a state home for the mentally disabled. If those homes were closed, he could well end up on the street. Though that would maybe lead to his death instead. Someone who was hospitalized at 19 (a common time for some kinds of breaks to occur) in 1967 could have had years of ups and downs; sometimes on the margins, sometimes catching a break; had people who took care of him for awhile, then could not; and yes, that person could be on the street now.

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    Aleta says:

    @seaboogie: You too my friend.

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    Aleta says:

    @Ruckus: wait, what ??

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    Ruckus says:

    @Aleta:
    The lady I talked to at the market last night was probably around 60. She lives on the street. OK she has a van rather than a box but it’s only marginally better and requires some income, gas, registration, want to bet she doesn’t have insurance? There are a number of homeless around where I live, I see some of them regularly. There is a lady about 60 or so who sleeps outside the humane society, I haven’t seen lately another lady who rolls around in a wheelchair, she’s about the same age. I walk a lot in the area so I see these people a lot. There are places where they are far more common than here in Pasadena.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Aleta:
    OO and I have had our left coast/right coast discussions before.
    I was explaining to him why he is wrong about the left coast. Don’t have to get up a the crack of dawn to see the sun on the horizon, you get to see it set. Which is of course at a much more civilized hour, for some known as the cocktail hour, for others evening. The last part was about being in the navy rather than the army, you can see both the sunrise and sunset the same day surrounded by nothing but water.

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    Redshift says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    IIRC, when he did the comedy central roast, he told them his hair was off-limits

    Nope. Jokes about his hair were allowed. The topic that was off limits was jokes about him not being as rich as he claimed.

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    Washburn says:

    @Ruckus:

    I get the fact that Reagan set all of this in motion 50 years ago. Odds are, of course, that the vast majority of people institutionalized in 1967 who were forced onto the streets are now dead. I’m not telling you anything you don’t know about the toll homelessness takes on life-expectancy.

    But – that said – Reagan was a long time ago. Brown has been governor for years with a democrat majority (super majority?) in the legislature for a while. What have they done to re-open up the institutions? What have they done to care for the homeless by moving them into supervised or subsidized housing. NOT A GODDAMNED THING.

    Compare that with how much Brown/Legislature has spent/authorized on high- speed rail, delta tunnels, etc.

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    woodrowfan says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: Lord no. That’d just turn all of Virginia into Westbygodvirginia. Rather turn a few of the southwestern counties over to WV. Thatd turn Virginia fully blue and WV would at least be no worse off.

    Check out DOS in the movie Better Of Dead as the Dad

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    David Ogden Stiers, known for roles as Major Charles Winchester III on M*A*S*H, John Cusack’s dad in ‘Better Off Dead,’ and the voice of Cogsworth in ‘Beauty and the Beast,’ has died after a battle with bladder cancer

    Damn. I remember seeing him as King Lear in San Diego when I was in college. Tremendously affecting.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Washburn:

    Democrats have had a supermajority in both houses of the California legislature since November of 2016. Gee, I can’t imagine why they haven’t completely fixed a 50 year old problem in the last 16 months. It’s not like anything else has been going on.

    The high-speed train was a proposition passed by the voters, not something passed by the legislature.

    Need I go on?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Washburn:
    There are laws that would have to be changed that will be difficult. There is money that can not be gotten from the federal government until that is majority democratic. We have a lot of things to fix and notice that the high speed rail between north and south does not appear to be happening anytime soon. And even if we build mental health care facilities, where are we going to get the staff? Who is going to train them? We import people and train them as doctors now and drumpf and company want to end all that. Where are we going to put all that housing for the homeless. On your street? This is a decades old problem and it can not be fixed with the wave of a hand and a few billion dollars, which will come from where?
    Mems also points out that the high speed rail was a proposition not a legislative issue. And that we had a legislative situation that the republican minority could basically block any legislation until about 15 months ago, which they did all the time. We may be a pretty blue state but there are areas of rabid red in this state. Nunes, Issa, McCarthy, Rohrabacher are all rabid conservatives and their names should be familiar to anyone who follows DC politics.

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    No One You Know says:

    @seaboogie: Wow. Way too much excitement. I hope you’re ok! I still get bad moments from an assault thirty years ago.

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    Denali says:

    @Aleta,

    Thank you also for those beautiful links!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @trollhattan: Is that you? Green Flash Brewery?

    Never heard of ’em, we must not be getting their beers in Podunk, CO, yet. I’ll look out for ’em!

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    Bishop Bagboy says:

    @The Dangerman: Dead thread… but Shaw’s in Santa Maria wonderful steakhouse! Love the Far Western too! Ate at Shaw’s while around Santa Barbara to see Bob Weir and Ratdog 3 or 4 years ago.

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