How was Russia so successful in its disinformation campaign?
Exhibit A ?? https://t.co/SwAGL8LHFR
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) February 21, 2018
A Florida woman who ran a Trump supporters page that unwittingly promoted a Russian-coordinated event on Facebook says she doesn’t believe that she was influenced by Kremlin-linked trolls https://t.co/DmgDRFRwyn pic.twitter.com/OAz5julCyA
— CNN (@CNN) February 21, 2018
I hear that certain ‘True Progressives’ and Glenn Greenwald are performing Righteous Indignation about terrible terrible ambush journalists trying to make this poor addled woman look… like exactly what she is: a narrow-minded, self-deluding idiot. Such nice white Trump voters should only be fondled delicately, with all due respect for their gut instincts, lest they lose their precious bloom or melt like snowflakes!
Trump has two talents 1) he knows how our media operate and he plays this to his advantage 2) he knows his supporters are dumber than he is
— gunless cuck (@jerweber) February 21, 2018
It’s not a misunderstanding. It’s “I’m paid to not understand “ https://t.co/qSK1B27GYh
— Greg Dworkin (@DemFromCT) February 21, 2018
…voters, don’t grasp what’s on Twitter or MSNBC is different from what else is on one’s screens/in their mailboxes/being discussed at their door, & is pressures Dems to squelch the truth
Kinda makes you wonder about the motivations of some ppl saying be quiet about Russia, no?
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 21, 2018
In case you want the meme version… pic.twitter.com/wHB1DaT0cf
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) February 21, 2018
chris
Adding:
Viva BrisVegas
This stuff is across all Western democracies. All conservative parties in all democratic countries have been influenced and corrupted. It’s just that the US is the most valuable asset.
chris
And asking for a friend: What happens when Mr. Mueller decapitates the entire American government?
dmsilev
@chris: Donald Trump, dishonest? Surely you jest!
Baud
@chris: The Baud! era begins!
Baud
@dmsilev:
Right. Replace “Holy Moly” with “It’s Saturday.”
chris
@Baud: Thanks, my friend feels much better now.
James E. Powell
@chris:
We convince him to turn his attention to the NCAA.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
I don’t have the spare brain cells to read Trump’s tweets tonight. Letting him assault you with confused nonsense just makes you stupider.
OmnesOmnibus
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):
Just tonight?
chris
@James E. Powell: Assuming the NCAA, among other things, still exists. But it’s a good plan.
Roger Moore
@chris:
One of the real advantages of democratic government is that we have lots of practice replacing our leaders. There’s a long presidential succession, and we keep going down the list until we get to somebody Mueller hasn’t indicted. If the Speaker of the House or the President pro Tempore of the Senate get indicted, there are established procedures for replacing them. We have plans for what happens if an enemy nuclear attack decapitates our government. We should be able to manage if it’s a friendly prosecutor who does it.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@OmnesOmnibus: Sometimes I’m smarter. It depends on time of day, how much caffeine I’ve had, and whether there’s bittersweet chocolate on my desk.
Doug R
@Roger Moore: Or there’s like an election?
Brachiator
Trump is on a roll. A visit by the president of Mexico has been cancelled because Trump actually expects foreign leaders to kiss his ass. From WaPo.
Jeffro
@chris: I know, right?
Adam L Silverman
@chris: Elections. This is what elections are for. Right now focus on taking the House and the Senate and as many state legislators and governorships as possible. Let the Special Counsel do his job. And prepare for 2020.
SiubhanDuinne
I see this loony woman has a DeSantis campaign sign in her front window. If I lived in Florida and didn’t know a single other thing about Ron DeSantis, that fact alone would be enough to cause me to vote against him.
What a loon.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
apparently trump is being “interviewed” by “Judge” Jeannine Pirro tonight. I’m trying to think of an analogy…. Mothra fluffs Godzilla? Susan Sarandon as Bette Davis playing Baby Jane but Baby Jane in man-drag being interview by Jessica Lange playing Joan Crawford but drinking real vodka?
ETA:
ETA, A: @dmsilev: Ha! and goddammit. Fixed
dmsilev
@Brachiator:
I think we can read that as “US officials have to at least pretend to care about making Trump look slightly less bad. Mexican officials are under no such obligation”.
debbie
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):
Jeez, he’s freaking out tonight. All those tweets, plus he’s on Judge Jeannie’s show now. If he’s golfing tomorrow, he’ll be shanking like crazy.
dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Nobody tell Mike Pence.
Baud
@Brachiator:
I know it’s a foreign leader, but anyone who relies on Trump’s assurances deserves what he gets. Peña Nieto may have dodged a bullet.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@debbie: I admire your stamina for reading those.
Viva BrisVegas
@debbie:
That’s OK, he cheats anyway.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
@debbie:
I wonder how many times he’ll bring up Hillary.
OmnesOmnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Are you alright?
chris
@Roger Moore: Hoping you’re right. I know how the system is supposed to work but the system is looking a little frail and shaky these days.
Gvg
Mexican President would be wise to find a way to get Trump not to come without actually saying No. Looks like he managed it. Good thing our nearest neighbors leaders aren’t stupid at the same time ours is an aggressive moron. Sometimes when I think about what the rest of the world thinks, I could just cry.
satby
@OmnesOmnibus: I don’t think I am, because I totally got that sentence.
Adam L Silverman
@Brachiator: He’s a diplomatic incident waiting to happen. You also notice that he’s basically divorced himself from US foreign and nat-sec policy because he does this stuff. The staff does their thing, he does his, and the only intersection is when the staff has to call up someone and apologize for whatever it is he’s done.
OmnesOmnibus
@satby: Should I drink more or less? Two drinks is clearly not the right amount.
Major Major Major Major
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I find that regardless of how many brain cells I have to spare, I still don’t benefit from reading his tweets.
satby
@OmnesOmnibus: two more should do it.
Gin & Tonic
@OmnesOmnibus: Have another and come back to ask again.
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: Hey, at least he didn’t go abroad and apologize for America. (remember that Obama pseudo-scandal?)
efgoldman
@OmnesOmnibus:
Are you home? Not driving? As much as you think you need
evodevo
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Yes. This. LOLOLOL
Baud
OT. Haha
WaPo
satby
@efgoldman: Good point.
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: given that public embarrassment is the only reason trump meets with people, this was wise.
efgoldman
@Baud:
Right. Plus the the NRA discount is the same as the AAA discount, the AARP discount, and a zillion other discounts.
OmnesOmnibus
@efgoldman: Home and not driving. The issue is that drinking enough to understand that sentence may cause permanent damage.
sigyn
@Roger Moore:Which reminds me, since it’s an open thread, hulu subscribers might be interested in “Designated Survivor” starring Keifer Sutherland as the HUD secretary suddenly thrust into the presidency.
As my son described it “it’s like West Wing with ACTION!” (I’m 7 eps in, never watched 24 Hrs. but it was fun to see KS as President tell someone that enhanced interogation was “not an option”.
Brachiator
@Adam L Silverman:
Increasingly, the question becomes, apart from support for Israel and hatred for Iran, does the US have a coherent foreign policy?
As an example, apart from looking on, what is US policy towards Syria and our former Kurdish allies?
And even though the Olympics is not a major diplomatic deal, what’s up with Ivanka as an “official” representative?
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: Sort of. I remember people screaming about it. I don’t remember it happening because it didn’t actually happen.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@OmnesOmnibus: you just gotta free your mind, man
OmnesOmnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I will try.
Another Scott
The Hill: Russia hacked hundreds of Olympic computers at 2018 games, attempted to blame the DPRK
and
BBC: IOC votes to lift Russia ban if there are no more doping violations
Hmmm… :-/
Cheers,
Scott.
p.a.
Josh Marshall is going to have to hire more and go 24/7 to keep up with this misadministration.
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: According to the Ministry of Truth over at Fox, it happened, and who are we to question Minitrue?
Brachiator
@Major Major Major Major:
Absolutely. Some people, like Romney, never learn.
But Trump is delusional if he thinks that other world leaders will buy his bullshit.
Also, I hope that the Democratic leadership also understand that Trump’s offers of compromise and bipartisanship are meaningless.
p.a.
@Another Scott: Don’t they kinda sorta support the DPRK? If so, the hacks aren’t really malicious; it’s just spring training for our 2018 elections.
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: Israel can be thrown under the bus if you’re bragging to Russia though.
debbie
@p.a.:
Friends don’t do that to friends.
EBT
My foray into smut creation continues! I have picked up over 15 followers since I started publishing a couple weeks ago.
Adam L Silverman
@Brachiator: We sort of do.
As for Syria, the strategy is basically the Obama Administration’s combined with giving the commanders on the ground greater latitude regarding targeting and rules of engagement. Actual policy, I don’t know.
We don’t have an Ambassador to the ROK, we don’t even have a designated/nominated one. I thought we had a Special Envoy for Asia-Pacific, but if so, that should have been the representative. I’m not even sure we’ve got an Under Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific right now. From what I could tell she wanted to go to the Olympics. She took one of her daughters and Sarah Huckabee Sanders. So she got to go to the Olympics and we all paid for it.
Ken
@Brachiator:
Maybe the official representative gets an emolument from the USOC? Or at least can pad the travel and per diem enough to make it worthwhile.
Major Major Major Major
@EBT: huzzah!
Bill Arnold
@chris:
(bold mine – 4:56 PM)
Is there a video link for this? (Haven’t found one yet.) The Trump Tweet does included, in the correct order, selected words from Adam Schiff’s twitter feed:
(Bold mine. 1:39 PM)
Adam L Silverman
@p.a.: Russia just put in the new high speed Internet lines for the DPRK. They finished the install just before the end of last year.
My understanding is everything went smoothly, but Kim was unhappy that the Russian installers didn’t get their till just before the end of the three hour service call window they’d given him.//
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
Wielding Nikki Haley as a scold seems to me to be the policy.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
Exactly. Plus “hang loose” and “stay frosty”! (“Hang frosty?”)
EBT
@Major Major Major Major: I received a third donation today as well! It was from one of the two people who already had, but still. $
jacy
The Boyfriend and I picked out a dog this afternoon — border collie mix from a local rescue organization — going to pick him up tomorrow morning, but we’ve already gotten the dog bed and all the accoutrement. Pictures tomorrow. Squee!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: and also acted as a diplomat and national security official
Adam L Silverman
This is going to cause a bit of a stir!
OmnesOmnibus
@jacy: The Boyfriend? I must have missed some news.
Another Scott
@p.a.: Vlad supports anything that weakens the West (especially the US and NATO) and thus increases his and Russia’s relative power. The DPRK and Russia share a short border, and I’m sure Vlad provides more than a little economic aid (beyond the covert oil transfers) to try to keep some influence with Kim (and to help him resist the West’s overtures and pressures).
Russia’s government is well known for trying to deflect blame to anyone else.
Supporting Kim covertly while blaming the DPRK for the hacking serves a couple of purposes. If the Russian excuse is believed, it helps re-ignite tension between the DPRK and the ROK (while not being blamed), and between Kim and the West. Kim can say he had nothing to do with it and tell his people that the West is continuing to treat them unfairly, etc., increasing his standing at home.
There’s no contradiction between the two, in Vlad’s way of thinking…
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
Gin & Tonic
@jacy: I’m sure you’re aware that border collies need a lot of exercise.
WaterGirl
@jacy: Kids didn’t get a say?
Viva BrisVegas
@dmsilev:
Off course, GWB went abroad and abjectly apologized to foreigners just before 911.
He went to eastern Europe and apologised that the US didn’t have the guts to turn around and attack the USSR in 1945 and save them all from tyranny.
IOIYAAR
debbie
@chris:
PLAGERISM!
OmnesOmnibus
@WaterGirl: I didn’t get a say when I got an English Cocker as a kid and that worked out perfectly.
Aleta
If the teenager was being bullied. If the guns at his home belong to another person who lives there. Or if people in his household were preparing for something else, thinking they might be attacked. Some at the high school and his college will continue to treat him as suspicious or guilty.
Hope this blog will keep an eye on Chen’s story, and that someone will post on the FP any corrections to the story that the press and internet ran with.
SiubhanDuinne
@jacy:
Oh, that’s great — I love Border Collies! So smart and focused. Can’t wait to see pictures!
chris
@Bill Arnold: Video of tweets? No. But the tweet I posted is from a CNN guy so there may be some reporting.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: That’s not a policy, that’s the ways part of the strategy.
Another Scott
@Adam L Silverman: This is my Shocked, Shocked face.
Facebook has a history, a long and unfriendly history, of doing things that are (at best) not transparent to users (and presumably to also to people willing to pay for ads).
Why people continue to willingly use the site is beyond me.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@OmnesOmnibus: Was his name, perhaps, Beau? :-)
I was really just razzing jacy, I think it’s great that they are getting a dog.
Adam L Silverman
@jacy: Congrats!!!! Send me the pics via email with a write up and I’ll front page it if you’d like.
chris
@debbie: Well spelled!
Cheryl Rofer
@Brachiator:
@Adam L Silverman:
It depends on what you mean by “foreign policy.” To some degree, momentum drives pretty much the same constellation of friends, allies, frenemies, and adversaries that we’ve had for a long time. The absences in the State Department and general confusion in the White House have made it difficult to change anything.
At the same time, though, Trump has said and tweeted many words and implied many things. Communicating a real foreign policy relies on subtle tuning of words and behaviors like which country a president visits first in his term. Much of it is unspoken or read between the lines. It appears that with Trump, what you see is what you get, but old habits die hard, and many of us continue to try to interpret intelligence or motive beyond momentary pique. And even Trump will reverse himself within a few minutes, with occasional apparent reversals motivated by the few staff that realize that, for example, NATO’s Article V, the mutual-aid promise, is something we should stick with.
There is also the consideration of nations that have welcomed Trump enterprises, who can expect special treatment. Those who haven’t can try to make it up by staying at the Trump Hotel in DC and put on various sorts of shows for Trump when he visits.
One more thing I might mention is that situations of concern have been made worse by Trump’s tweets and prejudices. That would be North Korea and Iran in particular. Trump made up with Australia this week, but he’s pissed off Mexico again. Fortunately, neither of those is likely to build atomic weapons to use against us.
It’s not what most of us think of as foreign policy, but there’s some consistency to it, and so far the momentum is saving us.
OmnesOmnibus
@WaterGirl:
Oddly enough, it was.
p.a.
@Adam L Silverman: 1) Kim became suspicious when the speed test app made ‘vroom vroom’ sounds (however ‘vroom’ translates in Russian)
2) No lie, when I was a tech, much more than once I was loaded with 4 AM commitment jobs, each rated 2-3 hours. Started at 8am. “Hey [Boss’ name], prepare for some turnbacks.”
The actual New England Tel. employee motto: No job is so important, and no service is so urgent, that we can not take the time to perform our work safely.
Our version: No job is so important, and no service is so urgent, that we can not take the time for another cup of coffee.
Gravenstone
@dmsilev: Whoever the next President ends up being, an honest to gods international apology tour will most definitely be in order. Probably won’t help much, we’ve got all manner of amends to make for shitgibbon.
schrodingers_cat
Faceborg and their tactics are not surprising at all. They tried and failed to end net neutrality in India a few years ago. They are awful, they always have been.
ETA: Forcebook also destroyed my favorite website. No, not Balloon Juice, ICHC.
Doug R
@Viva BrisVegas:
He literally is Goldfinger, isn’t he?
frosty
@Jeffro: Hang frosty? Oh, let’s not. :-)
WaterGirl
@OmnesOmnibus: Have you ever linked to a photo of Beau? I would love to see your handsome boy.
Viva BrisVegas
@Cheryl Rofer:
He didn’t need to, our PM was belly up waiting for a rub.
Everything that Trump and Republicans do, Australian Conservatives either emulate or envy.
OmnesOmnibus
@WaterGirl: From about 1978.
WaterGirl
@OmnesOmnibus: Handsome boy! He mostly looks buff, but I can’t tell for sure because of the way the light is hitting him. I feel almost certain that he didn’t have blond highlights.
Mary G
I think the more we hear, the worse Facebook looks. They had a booth at CPAC (with a VR shooting game they had to remove and apologize for), plus Brad Parscale told Lesley Stahl that Facebook had employees embedded with the Trump campaign.
Also, according to Wired Magazine, they charged Hillary’s campaign more than Trump’s for the same ads, because the more clicks, the lower the cost, and the kind of trash Trump was peddling got spread around much further than Hillary’s earnest and detailed ads.
Aleta
Team US mate predicting the number of US curling clubs will hopefully double now as facilities multiply…
OmnesOmnibus
@WaterGirl: No highlights. That’s my guy. He weighed 35 lbs and picked fights with Shepherds and Huskies. He was a Restoration fop.
MoxieM
@OmnesOmnibus: Why, that handsome fellow really did mean business. you can see it in the set of his jaw … “don’t fuck with me, fellers! It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.”
Ruckus
@OmnesOmnibus:
Nah. If you drink that much you will pass out and not be able to drink any more. Too much, problem solved. Yes now that you mention it I have known a few drunks in my day.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mary G: a few months ago Zuckerberg was on a publicity tour that made a lot of people think he was running for president, or at least thinking about it. He seems to be getting more publicity-shy as more information comes out about the way they do business.
WaterGirl
@Mary G: I had to stop reading that Facebook interview between Brad Parscale and Lesley Stahl. I was literally feeling nauseous. Still am. We are so fucked. These people have no scruples, no ethics.
Gin & Tonic
@p.a.: We once had five (5) union techs and a supervisor from a successor company in to pull a cable from the demarc to our data room. Maybe 200 feet laterally and up one floor. Took them almost all day. I guess they were prioritizing safety.
Two days later the guys came in to install the DTE. They mentioned that the cable had an “A” end and a “B” end. I guess the guys prioritizing safety didn’t also prioritize correctness.
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
That’s a coherent foreign policy?
WaterGirl
@OmnesOmnibus: My cockers were all lovers. Including Mellon, who was crazy for food. She figured out how to open the refrigerator. That was not a good day. After that, I duct taped the fridge closed.
edit: what happened to the space between your names?
Aleta
@OmnesOmnibus: He must have been a breathtaking dog, with heart.
Ohio Mom
The difference between me and that um, unsophisticated and unpleasant woman in the video is that if someone asked me, “Do you know that (fill in a fringe group) organized that anti-Trump protest you went to a couple of weeks ago?” I’d say “Oh, it was? There was a group there with a table full of literature,
but I didn’t look closely enough at it to see who they were. Some sort of “socialists” I think.”
Frankly, I don’t know who organized the protest. Whomever it was,
I’m still the most traditional sort of Democrat there is. I ran into a number of neighbors and acquaintances and enjoyed the social aspect of the afternoon, and came home with a slightly hoarse throat from all the chanting.
That woman was going to vote for Trump no matter if she went to a meeting or rally organized by the Russians or the local Republican club or her hairdresser. She went, interacted with a group of like souls, and went home.
It’s a little pointless to harrange her. Now, if you want to go to my friend’s 22 year old son and calmly and carefully walk him through how he got duped into voting for Jill Stein, THAT would be an interesting exercise.
randy khan
@efgoldman:
What’s actually going to hurt is that the special NRA-member insurance policy for liability related to gunshot injuries no longer is going to be available from Chubb. Chubb says it made the decision a while ago, but the timing of the announcement is kind of interesting, to say the least.
Bobby Thomson
@Brachiator: not a lot of sympathy for the Mexican president. That trip never should have been planned. How dumb did he have to be not to see how it would play out?
Aleta
@Brachiator:
of her garish fashion creations. (Poses on twitter.)
Ruckus
@WaterGirl:
If they had those how could they make the kind of money that they do?
If they had those how many rich friends do you think they’d have?
Besides they have them, their scruples and ethics are all entirely about them, not what most people think when hear those words.
J R in WV
@Brachiator:
Dude, you left out the major enemy of the US, NORTH KOREA!!!!!
How could you forget the foremost, most dangerous, least respectful nation in the universe?? Showing Dear Leader Donald J. Russo-Trump no respect????
Bobby Thomson
@Doug R: no, Goldfinger was smart.
randy khan
@Bobby Thomson:
Or maybe he expected that it would play out this way, and he would get to show he was standing up to Trump.
WaterGirl
@Ruckus: If I were benevolent dictator of the world, no political ads would be allowed on Facebook at all.
AnotherBruce
I sense that Trump’s tweets are causing drain bamage to this community.
Villago Delenda Est
Glenn Greenwald should never be allowed on US soil again.
If he does come back, arrest him for treason and toss him in prison, forever.
Bill Arnold
@AnotherBruce:
Not just Trump’s tweets.
Villago Delenda Est
@Bill Arnold: The ammosexuals are going absolutely batshit right now, and the Trump cultists as well. There is a large Venn diagram overlap between the two, of course.
The Douglas High kids are scaring the bejeezus out of them. Rightly so.
Steve in the ATL
@frosty:
At least not until we find a new slide guitar player. I never got the hang of it. Amir, can you start practicing?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: The world is a weird place.
Adam L Silverman
@Another Scott: @Mary G: It gets worse. Facebook hired the husband of one of the Russian troll factory’s managers. They now live in Bellevue, WA.
frosty
@Adam L Silverman: Yes, spinning at redline RPM. Has anyone checked this on Snopes or something similar?
J R in WV
@Adam L Silverman:
Surely the difference in price would be an illegal campaign contribution to the candidate getting a lower price???
\
RICO those Mutherfuquers…. Zuckerman is a piece of walking human waste!
Citizen Alan
@Doug R:
I would much rather be ruled by President Goldfinger over Shitgibbon. For all his ruthless greed, Goldfinger at least wasn’t god-damned moron (in fact, he was the most sensible of all the Bond villains, IMO).
Adam L Silverman
@frosty: Davis is reliable. And there was mention of a relocation of one of the female managers in the Mueller indictment of the 13 Russian nationals. So that would line up. I’m not going to front page it though until more is reported.
Here’s more details translated from the Russian reporting:
frosty
@Steve in the ATL: Amir should work on string bending like all real guitar players. Slide is for those of us with weak fingers. :-)
frosty
@Adam L Silverman: Oy.
Adam L Silverman
@frosty: Nance thinks she’s actually a cooperating witness for Mueller. I’m not sure that is the right conclusion to draw given the information at hand.
jc
“Chumps” is too kind a description of your average Trump voters. I’m all out of f**ks to give them. They can rot in their intellectual cesspool.
thalarctosMaritimus
@chris: I have no idea whether you are old enough to remember MAD Magazine’s strategically-edited movie reviews, but they’re exactly what Ol’ Shithole is doing in his tweets.
For example, if a critic was supposed to have said, “What a tremendous tour-de-force of pretentiousness, clumsy technique, and amateurish narrative!”, then they’d edit it to say, “…a tremendous tour-de-force…of technique…and…narrative!”.
So that’s what he’s reduced to.
efgoldman
@Aleta:
Is it cheaper than Sominex?
Aleta
@Aleta: I’m going to arrest her myself for modeling a silver medal around her neck as an accessory to her brand clothes and lipstick.
(Medal belongs to athlete she grabbed who looks more tired with every photo.)
kattails
Re: our interviewee: Holy sh!t. I thought you needed an actual brain in order to be brainwashed.
Dr. C
I’m late to the game, but there is no logical discrepancy here! The Russian trolls pushed and helped sympathetic tools to make events happen. This woman organized events that recruited Trump people. There were no Russians at these events. So, duh, she didn’t see Russians because THEY WERE NOT THERE which is why she is pushing back. The reporter failed to drive home that important point, about trolls online spurring events versus literally providing bodies on the ground. Jesus, people, we’re on the right side of this, but this this is a bogus set up trading on miscommunication.
Amir Khalid
@frosty:
I think I’ll need to learn both.
JDM
@Ohio Mom: it’s not about convincing her. It’s pointing out to others just how stupid they look if they don’t accept reality.
WaterGirl
@Adam L Silverman: My head’s not spinning, but my stomach is churning, does that count?
Another Scott
@Adam L Silverman: One saving grace of Twitter, I guess, is that things like this can get more visibility pretty easily.
I’m not at all surprised by this development, of course.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Ohio Mom
@Dr. C: You said it better than
I did. All this interview accomplished was convincing that woman that the press is not to be trusted
— crazy even, for seeing Russians where there were clearly only a bunch of older Americans.
@JDM: Again, the people you think look foolish for “not accepting reality” either see things the way this woman does (she knew there were no Russians at her event), or they are Stein and Sanders voters. I think this second group probably contains many educable people. But that will take more than a badgering reporter showing up in their front yards.
I get this way every time I come back from reading tweets by right-wingers. Overwhelmingly, they are cheap shots and attempts at being funny, almost always based on something easily disproven. I don’t want my side to act this way.