Russiagate Open Thread: The Wages of (Fiscal) Sin

Miguel de Cervantes was supposed to have conceived the great novel Don Quixote while *he* was in jail. Machiavelli wrote The Prince while in political exile. So, there’s precedent… (/snark)

Paul Waldman, at the Washington Post, “Trump’s lawyer just made the Stormy Daniels affair much more interesting”:

To catch you up: Back in January, the Wall Street Journal reported that Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and all-around fixer, had set up a shell company in Delaware in the fall of 2016 for the sole purpose of passing a $130,000 payment to Daniels (whose real name is Stephanie Clifford). Soon after, In Touch magazine published an interview with Daniels in which she detailed how she and Trump had an on-again, off-again affair in 2006 that began in Lake Tahoe just after the birth of his son Barron, when his wife Melania was back home in New York.

The liberal good-government group Common Cause filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission and the Justice Department, alleging that the payment was an illegal in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign intended to quash a potentially embarrassing story and thereby help Trump get elected. Yesterday, Cohen issued a statement implying that the $130,000 was his own money…

What’s odd about this is that he doesn’t say he paid her $130,000 with his own personal funds, he says he used his own personal funds to facilitate a payment. Which could well mean that he used his personal funds to pay whatever fees were necessary to establish the Delaware shell company, but the money came from somewhere else. Like, I don’t know, from Donald Trump. For instance.

Furthermore, if we assume the second sentence is true and neither the Trump Organization nor the campaign was involved, what it leaves out is the involvement of Trump himself. Did Cohen discuss the payment with the person on whose behalf he was making it? Did Trump approve the amount? If Cohen put up the whole $130,000, did Trump personally (as opposed to the Trump organization or campaign) reimburse him?…

I would bet a store-bought cookie that the answer to that would be Like Trump ever “personally” repaid anyone except under threat. But if not Donald himself, then where would the money have come from?…


Duelling narratives:

206 replies
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    Corner Stone says:

    Bob Mueller: Hmmmm, ok. Well in that case, Mr. Cohen. let’s just see your taxes.

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    @Corner Stone: Does FSM truly love us this much? Please let this happen.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))): Don’t you think that’s the logical counter for Mueller at this point? If he ponied up $130K then where did it come from? How or what did he declare about that amount? if it was a gift did he pay appropriate taxes? If it was a business expense how was it handled?
    I am not a tax guy thingie but methinks Mikey has a bit of a bigger problem today than he did yesterday.

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    Baud says:

    In Russia, lawyer pays you.

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    NotMax says:

    Wondering if Daniels declared it as income on her taxes.

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    Baud says:

    So Twitter changed their links so they now have an extension that requires you to sign up to view the tweet (or manually delete the extension).

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Corner Stone: Yep. Gonna need to see everyone’s taxes to follow the money, or lack of money declared.

    It’s always the accountants that get you.

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    debbie says:

    Is it time to name Robert Schooley a national treasure?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    Oh, Christ, that first Zeddy tweet had me LMAO.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    No changes for me on my laptop. I can still view, embed, etc.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: They’ve been trying that off and on with me on mobile devices recently. I normally just go through the Goog and if they keep blocking me I go do something else on the interwebs.

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    Yutsano says:

    @BGinCHI: Remember what ultimately got Al Capone. It was the one thing he couldn’t shoot his way out of.

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    Thoughtful David says:

    So, I hear that Jarvanka’s personal debt has increased dramatically in the last year. I wonder how they’re planning to pay it back? In their super-sweet setup now, they’re still getting into greater debt? Really?
    I don’t think they should worry about the law catching up with them, but if I were them I would run a polonium detector over every cup of tea I was offered.

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    dmsilev says:

    @NotMax: There’s probably a clause buried deep inside the GOP tax bill exempting disclosure of income received by porn stars as hush money originating from NYC conmen with bad hair.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: I’m on my phone. It’s been a problem for me for a couple of days now.

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    Roger Moore says:

    What’s odd about this is that he doesn’t say he paid her $130,000 with his own personal funds, he says he used his own personal funds to facilitate a payment. Which could well mean that he used his personal funds to pay whatever fees were necessary to establish the Delaware shell company, but the money came from somewhere else. Like, I don’t know, from Donald Trump. For instance.

    I notice that he mentions the Trump Campaign and the Trump Organization, but never mentions the Trump Foundation. I don’t believe for a moment that Donald Trump paid this with his own personal money; he never pays anyone a penny he doesn’t have to. But he has been known to use the Trump Foundation to pay for stuff that he didn’t want to pay with his own money, even stuff that a supposedly charitable foundation had no business paying for. Anyone want to take a bet that the $130,000 came from the Trump Foundation one way or another?

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    scottinnj says:

    Serious question if the campaign paid I can see the election law violation. But if it was out of Donald J Trump’s personal banking account, it may be crass/unseemly etc but is it illegal? Where Trump get the money is a different question.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @debbie: All that AND Kim Possible.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    It’s almost as if something might actually happen to push Trump out.

    I do not want to jinx this.

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    lamh36 says:

    UGHHHHH…

    WHAT DA FUQ…did I just see an anti-abortion ad on Hallmark Channel talking bout abortions killed more Black Americans, than Heart Disease, Cancel, Diabetes and Gun Violence combined…

    Is this the game abortion advocates are playing now? Really…really…

    FUQ’N REALLY!!!

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    randy khan says:

    This is a very peculiar story, but mostly because it seems likely to cause more trouble for Cohen, not less. On the other hand, there’s not a lot of evidence that he’s very bright.

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    Wapiti says:

    @scottinnj: I think under campaign finance rules it might be treated as a donation to the campaign, since it was paid to assist Dotard becoming President.* So did the campaign declare it as a donation? Was it even from an American citizen?

    * As I understand it, that was the reasoning on the hush money John Edwards’ mistress got paid.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @lamh36: Is this the same Hallmark Channel that produces those relentlessly heartwarming Christmas movies? Color me surprised, but not shocked.

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    Obvious Russian Troll says:

    @NotMax: She’s supposed to be good at the business end of things, so I wouldn’t be surprised if she either did pay or her taxes or is scrambling to get that taken care of now.

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    lamh36 says:

    Sandy Hook mom to Marco Rubio and his #thoughtsandprayers

    @Nelba_MG
    Follow Follow @Nelba_MG
    More Nelba Márquez-Greene Retweeted
    Oh, please. U had a chance after Newtown & you did squat because “you were already doing immigration” and didn’t want to lose votes w/ your constituents. In your office you looked at us and said you couldn’t act. Sleep tight with that blood on your hands, Marco. #resist

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    Corner Stone says:

    I fucking HATE podcasts. There. I said it.

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    Open thread?

    Had an anxiety flare-up today, and one of the things I was anxious about was a short story submission I should hear back about today or tomorrow. I channeled my anxiety into trying to do another draft but as it turns out I think it’s actually done! So, I’ve got that going for me. I also made a list of three places to apply tomorrow when they reject me, markets that weren’t open when I looked last week.

    Now I’m only anxious about the work I didn’t do!

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    sdhays says:

    @scottinnj: The problem with that is that it violates Trump law: never pay for anything yourself.

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    cthulhu says:

    I’ll admit to scandal overload at this point. I expected it would be bad but never this level of daily bad. Can we please go back to the low simmer of the Russia investigation?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Yutsano:

    Or baseball-bat his way out of. (Sorry, watched that one through my fingers the other night. I’ve never actually seen that scene.)

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    jimmiraybob says:

    …Like Trump ever “personally” repaid anyone except under threat.

    A smart lawyer would have tapes.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Miguel de Cervantes was supposed to have conceived the great novel Don Quixote while *he* was in jail. Machiavelli wrote The Prince while in political exile. So, there’s precedent… (/snark)

    Letter from the Birmingham Jail … De Profundis … Pilgrim’s Progress ….

    ETA: WTF, even Jeffrey Fucking Archer managed to crank out a fairly readable trilogy while he was in prison.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Thoughtful David:

    if I were them I would run a polonium detector over every cup of tea I was offered.

    Every bookie or loan shark knows you don’t kill the debtor; you never get your money if you do.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    Yeah, that’s been going on all day. What a giant pain in the gefrunsis.

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    @Corner Stone: I agree that it’s a logical follow-up question. Don’t fuck with the forensic accountants.

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    @Corner Stone: not a huge fan either. Prefer to read a transcript.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @efgoldman:

    Every bookie or loan shark knows you don’t kill the debtor; you never get your money if you do.

    You don’t kill them until you’re sure you’ll never be paid back. If you’re convinced you’ll never see your money again, you kill them in some awful way as an example for other would-be deadbeats.

    In the case of Kirshner, though, they may just decide they can’t get their money back directly, so they’ll have to take payment in kind. Which is exactly why he shouldn’t have any kind of clearance and should be kept as far away from the levers of power as possible.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Baud:

    I would have been terrible in the golden age of radio. If it’s a narrative, I want to SEE it, not hear it.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Thoughtful David: As has been discussed before in various threads, high personal debt is a red flag for those vetting someone seeking a security clearance.

    You know, like Jared.

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    Jeffro says:

    Who’s a worse lawyer: Cohen, or Saul (from Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul)?

    I already know which one is smarter …

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Sorry to hear about the anxiety attack, but glad you are able to be productive thru’ it. Hope you are feeling better soon.

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    Baud says:

    @zhena gogolia: Me too. I can’t do talk radio. Doesn’t matter if it’s liberal or not.

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: You seem to be handling things better than I usually do.

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: Good for her, but unfortunately he won’t care.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Roger Moore:
    For all we know, depending on who his real creditors are that could be their real plan: investing in him as a means of ,manipulating someone powerful that he was close to. Of course, this would be a plan based on an opportunity of the moment rather than a long-term strategic one.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Baud:

    I get a pop-up window that I can close with the X in the upper left-hand corner. It’s annoying, but a relatively minor annoyance.

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    Baud says:

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t get the X on mobile.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    PG Wodehouse wrote The Mating Season while he was being shuttled around various German internment camps during WWII. It’s one of his best books.

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    Repatriated says:

    @Baud: The X is in the top left corner, and may be off-screen, requiring scrolling to reach.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Air hockey should totally be an Olympic sport.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Baud:

    I still do. Weird. I’m on an iPhone running iOS 11, if that helps.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    Planning on payback in the form of political advantage rather than money would certainly help to explain why Kirshner is still getting loans today.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Corner Stone:
    @Baud:
    You just haven’t been listening to the right ones.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Are you open to letting us Juicers read your short story?

    I promise to buy a copy of whatever when it eventually gets published.

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    chris says:

    It’s the economic anxiety!

    One more way to consider this data: The IHME also estimates what it would expect a country’s rate of gun violence deaths to be based solely on its socioeconomic status. By that measure, the U.S. should only be seeing .79 deaths per 100,000 people — almost five times less than its actual rate of 3.85 deaths per 100,000.

    Not really, it’s all the fucking guns and no real laws at all.

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    Thoughtful David says:

    @efgoldman:
    You do if you want to make a clear example for others.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    So, I’ve got that going for me.

    Love it when young folks quote “Caddyshack”!

    Now I’m only anxious about the work I didn’t do!

    Dude, get over that shit. Do the bare minimum to keep from getting fired*. F the man!

    *why yes I am bargaining right now with a union that thinks we should never be able to fire non-performers. I may possibly be the tiniest bit cynical.

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    The Iowa legislature is considering two bills. One would ban sanctuary cities. Apparently they’ve heard nasty rumors about the eggheads in Iowa City. The other would allow concealed or open carry with no permit.

    I ask myself: Which person would I fear more? One who, without screening, entered the country or one who, without screening, is carrying a gun.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    I ask myself: Which person would I fear more? One who, without screening, entered the country or one who, without screening, is carrying a gun.

    That is an impressively stark contrast. You could be a writer!

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    lamh36 says:

    @owillis
    After school shootings, Obama spoke and led. Trump hides.
    https://twitter.com/owillis/status/963944145093058561

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    @MisterForkbeard: opiejeanne was kind enough to beta it for me, and while I’d rather not share further at the moment (emotions and all, you understand), sure, some other time!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The last I heard — but it was a year ago at least, so perhaps things have changed — but last I heard, Schneiderman had the Trump Foundation under investigation so it could neither receive nor disburse during the period of legal scrutiny. No idea what the current status on that is, but regardless I would think they’d be careful about funneling *unusual* payments through the TF.

    Then again, these are not people renowned for their strategic or tactical acuity, so maybe?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @lamh36:

    I will bet cash money that Trump doesn’t go to the funerals at all, much less make a speech like Obama did.

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    Thoughtful David says:

    @Roger Moore: True. Part of my point though was that Jarvanka have to fear more than just the law catching up with them. And if you don’t have something of sufficient value to offer up in kind, you better be careful who you accept your tea from.
    Granted, being able to wander around the White House and read the PDB could provide you with info of value. But once you no longer have that to offer…..maybe they’ll be begging to be hauled off to Sing-Sing.

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    lamh36 says:

    @TUSK81
    Following Following @TUSK81Jackie Kennedy, on Air Force One after JFK was shot on Nov. 22, 1963, was asked to change her clothes because the sight of JFK’s blood and brains was upsetting people. She cleaned her face and discarded her pillbox hat, but kept the bloodstained suit on. “Let them see what they’ve done,” she said. Mass shootings had not yet begun.

    https://twitter.com/TUSK81/status/963942743004205056

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: If I press escape on my computer, it also goes away. But I don’t think there’s an escape key on mobile devices, is there?

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    oldgold says:

    Michael Cohen = Tom Hagen

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    No Drought No More says:

    This episode with Ms. Stormy reminds me of the story of Mitt Romney and the cop, the one who informed Romney he could not launch launch his boat from a certain spot on a lake, and would be fined $50 if he did. The cop no sooner turned his back than Romney began to launch. $50? He was more than OK with paying a lousy $50 fine (the cop wasn’t amused, and Romney did not launch there that day). Fucks like Trump and Romney figure they can buy their way out of anything- the hell of it being they usually can. But not this time.

    I’m a bleeding heart’s bleeding heart, and always have been. But I am mercilessly unsympathetic to every single individual in Trump’s orbit- including every congressional republican- and believe every blasted last one of them should be crucified after their convictions. To be perfectly candid, the very though of their ongoing treason gives me pause to regret being a life long opponent of the death penalty. They are all traitors to this country, all a virulent cancer afflicting on our democracy, and they deserve all the punishment the countrymen they’ve betrayed ultimately choose to dish out, however severe.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    We have no idea if Michael Cohen is being honest about merely facilitating from his own pocket the payment to Stormy Daniels. His carefully worded statement names parties who he says didn’t reimburse him, but as has been pointed out it avoids saying that no one reimbursed him. I wouldn’t put it past him, or anyone else who works for den Scheißgibbon, to lie to the public about that work. He’s trying to hide something on Trump’s behalf, and managing only to draw more attention to it. I suspect that Mueller already knows what the something is, and that it’s prosecutable.

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    danielx says:

    This whole explanation from Cohen sounds exceedingly unlikely, unless the word ‘facilitate’ is the operative one. IANAL, but based upon friendships with several lawyers and acquaintance with others, the idea of an attorney using his own funds on behalf of a client, barring a family relationship, is absurd.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: Who would even want Trump at the funeral of their child?

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: Among many of his sins lets remember that George W Bush loosened the assault weapon ban.
    On Hayes show Senator Murphy wasn’t sure he wanted Trump to speak. He was concerned it wouldn’t help.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @oldgold:

    Michael Cohen = Tom Hagen

    Michael Cohen = wannabe Tom Hagen

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Come here and vent whenever you need to. You can always count on the support here.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    White Floridians. 🙄

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    efgoldman says:

    @oldgold:

    Michael Cohen = Tom Hagen

    Hagen, while a fictional character, was much smarter.
    But then, his clients were leagues smarter than Cohen’s

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Mnemosyne: Fat Bastard would sooner attend another NRA fundraiser. He is 100% free of empathy.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @MisterForkbeard:

    I promise to buy a copy of whatever when it eventually gets published.

    From Thrones, Dominatons by Dorothy L. Sayers and Jill Paton Walsh:

    “I think,” said Harriet, feeling she might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb, “you are behaving like a character in a book. And I think you are doing it on purpose.”

    “That’s rather shrewd of you,” said the vulture.

    “When I put you in a book,” pursued Harriet, “I shall make that aspect of your psychology quite clear.”

    “All right,” said Lady Severn. “I’ll take six copies. And I’ll promise to live till it’s published. Are you going to have any children, or only books?”

    “Well,” said Harriet, reasonably, “it’s easier to be definite about books. I mean, I know I can produce books.”

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    @Thoughtful David:

    In their super-sweet setup now, they’re still getting into greater debt? Really?

    They’ve been making bank on bribes. What kind of world-class imbeci- oh, right. Jared Kushner.

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    efgoldman says:

    @danielx:

    the idea of an attorney using his own funds on behalf of a client, barring a family relationship, is absurd.

    I believe it may also violate the canons, if not the law. Any members of the bar want to confirm, expand, or poo-poo?
    LAO? burnsie? Omnes? Steve?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Oh, I may have to give that one a re-read – I’d forgotten it had some good lines in it!

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    @Mnemosyne: how dare you! #notallwhites #notallfloridians #thisiswhytrumpwon

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: What a lovely passage – I’m sad to say I haven’t read this before. Time to correct that mistake. :)

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @oldgold: More like Lionel Hutz

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    lamh36 says:

    @matthewamiller
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    It is strange that a national tragedy passed today without the president addressing the nation, and even stranger that no one seems to miss or even expect his presence.

    https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/963951561738215424

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    chris says:

    It gets better!

    BREAKING: More than 130 political appointees working in white house didn't have permanent security clearances as of November 2017, including Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and Don McGahn, according to internal documents obtained by NBC News @carolelee @mikememoli @kwelkernbc— Dafna Linzer (@DafnaLinzer) 15 February 2018

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    @Just One More Canuck: “works on contingency? No, money down!” is one of the best gags in the history of comedy.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Mnem is clearly Hitler. How can anyone even contest this uncontroversial fact? Only on Balloon Juice, I guess.

    /snark

    @chris: Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick, over 130? How does… who…

    Okay, my brain is working again. The important thing is that we focus on Hillary’s Email Server. How many political appointees had access to THAT, huh?

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    @MisterForkbeard: I’ve been unfailingly polite and she has been nothing but rude.

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    BroD says:

    @WaterGirl:

    “If I press escape on my computer, it also goes away.”

    I tried that but he’s still President and the kids are still dead.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @lamh36: I don’t want him anywhere around this. I hate his fucking guts and anything he said I would hate with the intensity of an uncertain number of suns.

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    chris says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Well, if the Russians are behind Jared he’s got no worries, right? If the rumours are true Putin himself could just write a cheque.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @chris: Because nothing matters.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @efgoldman:

    I believe it may also violate the canons, if not the law. Any members of the bar want to confirm, expand, or poo-poo?
    LAO? burnsie? Omnes? Steve?

    Happy to explain in detail, as soon as the retainer hits my trust account!

    There was a case in Georgia 15-20 years ago where a lawyer paid the amount in dispute on behalf of his client, rendering the issue moot at the appellate court, because it was something like $200 and the client was pursuing it as a matter of principal (never take a case like that!) and the lawyer thought it was a waste of everyone’s time and resources. The client objected to the payment that had been made as he wanted to continue to make his point and sued the lawyer.

    Unfortunately, I can’t remember how that one turned out.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @WaterGirl:
    After what he did to the family of Sergeant La David Johnson, Trump needs to be kept well away from any bereaved families.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @chris: Nobody in Trump’s orbit ever previously had a federal security clearance, except the generals, nor do I believe with so many shady things about them that they could honestly qualify for one.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That’s why you’re the judge and I’m the … law-talkin guy

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    How and/or why do they think that any of this would help anything for anyone?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Just One More Canuck: Lionel Hutz and Steve Dallas were my inspiration for becoming a lawyer. I like to think that I have reached their level of skill.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Mike in NC:

    Nobody in Trump’s orbit ever previously had a federal security clearance, except the generals, nor do I believe with so many shady things about them that they could honestly qualify for one.

    It’s point two that has most of us so upset.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @chris: Well, thank God none of *them* will have any unsecured email servers!

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    @Mike in NC: I figure that’s one reason clearances for this WH are taking longer than most. In a normal administration, there must be many hires who already have clearance.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MisterForkbeard:
    @Major Major Major Major:

    Stop making me laugh at work! I need to go home! 😂🤣😂🤣😂

    ETA: Also, I can’t take all the credit. Different-church-lady was on fire today. ✨

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    efgoldman says:

    @lamh36:

    even stranger that no one seems to miss or even expect his presence.

    If he did, inevitably both of his feet and at least one other end up deeply in his mouth.
    Also a person of no or negative empathy.

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    Mary G says:

    @Corner Stone: @Major Major Major Major: @Major Major Major Major: Me too! Every time someone says “try this one, it’s different,” it’s not.

    ETA: One of those M4’s was supposed to be Baud.

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    chris says:

    @Mike in NC: They’re so competent that they don’t need no stinkin’ badges!

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    Matt says:

    @Thoughtful David:

    In their super-sweet setup now, they’re still getting into greater debt? Really?

    You don’t worry about DTI when you’re doing a bust-out.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    a lawyer paid the amount in dispute on behalf of his client, rendering the issue moot at the appellate court

    I was thinking more of commingling.
    But this is on point:

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    mad citizen says:

    @No Drought No More: I very much enjoyed (and agree with) this post. Thank you!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Since I am not sure what the fuck was/is going on, I can’t even hazard a guess. What are they trying to accomplish?

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mike in NC:

    I believe with so many shady things about them that they could honestly qualify for one.

    Herr Doktor Professor Silverman could expand on this, but based on what he’s said, Ii believe congress would specifically have to take the authority away from the “president” to grant clearances regardless.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: also, you haven’t been paid

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    There was a case in Georgia 15-20 years ago where a lawyer paid the amount in dispute on behalf of his client, rendering the issue moot at the appellate court, because it was something like $200 and the client was pursuing it as a matter of principal (never take a case like that!) and the lawyer thought it was a waste of everyone’s time and resources. The client objected to the payment that had been made as he wanted to continue to make his point and sued the lawyer.

    That’s the second lawyerly set-up I’ve heard here today that sounds like a Coen Brothers movie Right up there with the Elvis-impersonator hitman from Houston.

    smh – this wonderful world!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    After what he did to the family of Sergeant La David Johnson, Trump needs to be kept well away from any bereaved families.

    “Those kids knew what they were getting in to when they went to school.”

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Steve in the ATL: so you prepare for your negotiations by watching Matlock?

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    mad citizen says:

    @lamh36: We are on our own as a nation–like having a permanent substitute teacher who is the most incompetent person imaginable. I was driving home this afternoon listening to the news thinking, I wonder how it would look if Obama scheduled a new conference to do the Consoler-in-Chief thing.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I like to think that I have reached their level of skill.

    Even without meeting you (maybe next time you’re in New England) I can definitely see the resemblance.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I can be confused pro bono.

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    tobie says:

    I made the mistake of turning on the TV just now to hear Gov. Rick Scott solemnly intone that the only plausible cause for the tragedy that happened today is “pure evil.” Thank dog, I was wearing slippers so when I threw one at the TV nothing broke. The gall of these NRA cheerleaders!

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mary G:

    One of those M4’s was supposed to be Baud.

    They look just alike, too.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: “I say, let ’em crash.”

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @Steve in the ATL: We had a case where a guy was charged with embezzlement of the funds of a local soccer club. He denied the allegations. He had receipts. The DA offered to dismiss the case if the guy paid $5K to the soccer club. Guy refused saying he was innocent. Guy’s lawyer paid the 5K because he didn’t want to spend a week in court trying the case and the case was dismissed. It was only when the guy was going after the Sheriff’s dept and the soccer club for malicious prosecution that the 5K payment from the lawyer came to light. Guy did a bar complaint and the bar basically said “meh, no harm no foul” and dismissed the complaint. I was gobsmacked to say the least.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @mad citizen: “Listen, people. This guy is fucked in the head. Please allow me to serve in this time of grief with some dignity, respect, and honor. Thank you.”

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    Baud says:

    THERE IS NO X!

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    Anotherlurker says:

    Please excuse the Off Topic.
    I just watched a < 10 minute Youtube video, giving the viewer the extremely easy instructions of how to convert an AK-47 from semi to full auto.
    I am very upset.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @lamh36: I don’t know about the Hallmark Channel, but that line from anti-abortion people has been around for a long time–I think I heard people pushing it decades ago.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    My suspicion is that most of the good lines are DLS — JPW picked things up partway through — but although there are huge plot holes and chronological hiccups, it’s fairly seamless and a decent mystery (of the “howdunnit,” not “whodunnit” variety). I enjoy listening to Ian Carmichael’s audio recording — he is brilliant at giving certain characters unique voices, including the Countess of Severn-and-Thames (Lady Severn above), the Hon Freddy Arbuthnot, and a pair of petty criminal blackmailers.

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    chris says:

    Here is the NBC article. No worries, you’re all cleared to read it.

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    efgoldman says:

    @tobie:

    Gov. Rick Scott solemnly intone that the only plausible cause for the tragedy that happened today is “pure evil.”

    My granddaughter starts kindergarten next year. It makes me weep (really) that she’ll be getting active shooter drills in school.
    My daughter told me tonite that they’ve been practicing shelter in place at nursery school since she was two, mandated by VA state law.
    Alternately weeping and outraged

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @lamh36:

    and even stranger that no one seems to miss or even expect his presence.

    or WANT his presence.

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    eric says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: so long as the payment is NOT contrary to your client’s wishes, it should not violate bar rules. if you call it a loan and expect repayment with interest, then there are other issues that come into play, and it might then be a violation. If it is a no-interest loan, i dont see the problem, other than poor business strategy.

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    Baud says:

    @efgoldman: Cries of joy at the epic FREEDOM, right?

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    TS says:

    Nothing like US media – only one thing at a time ever happens. no wonder trump wants a war to stop folks talking about what is happening inside his administration & inside the USA

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    tobie says:

    @efgoldman: This is so wrong at so many levels. Any parent, grandparent, or great-grandparent has to worry about a kid going to school. Just awful.

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    lamh36 says:

    @thehill
    Rubio: We shouldn’t “jump to conclusions” that gun control laws would’ve prevented Florida school shooting http://hill.cm/HDAJJrh

    Of course not lil Marco…can’t give back that flush NRA cash can ya…

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Didn’t Ian Carmichael play Lord Peter in some early BBC productions? (by early I mean “Pre-Harriet Vane.”)

    I remember it was watching him in “Five Red Herrings” that convinced me to give Sayers a try. Wouldn’t you know, I started with that one – and I still can never keep all the damn railway timetable stuff straight in my head!

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    eric says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: favorite of all time……”to my executor……”

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    efgoldman says:

    @Baud:

    Cries of joy at the epic FREEDOM, right?

    I’m old enough to remember the first US mass shooting (Charles Whitman, U of Texas Tower, 1966). There were mass killings before, but not from firearms
    Among many things nobody thought could happen, that these events would come to be routine was near the top of the list

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    raven says:

    @efgoldman:

    Howard Barton Unruh (January 21, 1921 – October 19, 2009) was an American mass murderer[2] (sometimes classified as a spree killer)[3] who killed 13 people (including three children) during a 12-minute walk through his neighborhood on September 6, 1949, in Camden, New Jersey, when he was 28 years old.[4] The incident became known as the “Walk of Death”. Unruh was found to be criminally insane, and died in 2009 after a lengthy illness at the age of 88, following 60 years of confinement.[1]

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eric: No, it’s “Lionel Hutz no longer exists….”

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    efgoldman says:

    @tobie:

    This is so wrong at so many levels.

    I worry about her getting a mediocre or incompetent teacher; about being bullied; about banging up against a subject she can’t handle – you know, normal stuff

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    eric says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: it is tough…..i also love the matlock line

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman:

    That makes me nauseated. TWO-YEAR-OLDS do shelter-in-place drills? How Osceola this not a national outrage??

    ETA: JFC, autocorrect. Where the fuck did “Osceola” come from?? (To be clear, sentence was supposed to be “How is this not a national outrage?”)

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: So we should refer to you as Miguel Sanchez?

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    lamh36 says:

    @ABC
    Follow Follow @ABC
    More
    Florida Gov. Scott on deadly school shooting: “How could this ever happen in this country? … You come to the conclusion that this is just absolutely pure evil.” http://abcn.ws/2ClHMQG

    Really…Rick…really

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    How in the world could Cohen publish a “tell all” book without violating client confidence???

    New York Rules of Professional Conduct state “[t]he ethical obligation to maintain the ‘confidences’ and ‘secrets’ of clients and former clients is broader than the attorney-client privilege, and exists ‘without regard to the nature or source of information or the fact that others share the knowledge. …This ‘broader’ category of ‘secret’ embraces all other information ‘gained in the professional relationship that the client has requested be held inviolate or the disclosure of which would be embarrassing or would be likely to be detrimental to the client.’” This obligation, too, exists for all time.

    See here for discussion: https://www.stroock.com/siteFiles/Publications/ConfidentialityKeepingSecretNonPrivilegedInformation.pdf

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    efgoldman says:

    @raven:

    an American mass murderer[2] (sometimes classified as a spree killer)[3] who killed 13 people

    I had just turned four. The only newspaper I read was the Sunday comics with my dad. TV news (TV period) as we know it didn’t exist.
    You, on the other hand, have too much time on your hands/

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    Groucho48 says:

    @efgoldman:

    Here in Buffalo, a few years ago, one of the big ambulance-chasing law firms got into trouble for loaning money to their clients. A big no-no. They were fined and one of the two partners was suspended from the firm for a year or so. Apparently, the thinking is that it gives big, deep pocket law firms a big advantage over smaller firms in getting clients.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Just One More Canuck: I think it is Steve in the ATL who cites Hutz as an idol. I am more of a Gregory Peck guy.

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    @raven: Hmmm, I was born on his 39th birthday.

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    @efgoldman: Oh, you’re here. I’m the one who has my house automated. If you have any questions, feel free.

    (I said pretty much the same last night, but you had retired for your beauty sleep.)

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    lamh36 says:

    Wow… watching Chris Rock’s new comedy special on Netflix…2nd segment is about “Gun Control”…wow…prescient…

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m more impressed with Steve in the ATL citing Steve Dallas as his career inspiration.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh36: He’s always been bitterly funny and accurate on gun control.

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    lamh36 says:

    “you can be anything you’re good at…as long as they hiring”
    Chris Rock #Tamborine

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Yup, Carmichael played Lord Peter in five BBC productions (Edward Petherbridge played him in three other TV series, and took over the audiobook responsibilities after Carmichael’s death).

    I love Five Red Herrings, but I would never recommend it as an introduction to the LPW canon! Far too confusing with all those Scottish painters, and the persnickety railroad time-tables!

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    dr. bloor says:

    First Rule of Being a Fixer: If Anyone Knows Your Name, You Are Not a Fixer.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Men’s downhill looks like they’re having a great day for a race, finally. This is my favorite event of the games.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I am glued to it.

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    tobie says:

    @lamh36: Funny thing is, he won’t be accused of politicizing these murders, though that is precisely what Rick Scott is doing.

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    Baud says:

    @Gin & Tonic: It’s amazing how they all finish within a second of each other.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I couldn’t get through Five Red Herrings. I should probably give up and plow ahead.

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    lamh36 says:

    “some people say young black men are an endangered species, but that’s not true, cause endagered species are protected by the government…”

    Chris Rock #Tamborine

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I think it is Steve in the ATL who cites Hutz as an idol. I am more of a Gregory Peck guy.

    Some of us are self aware, others not so much….

    @Litlebritdifrnt: lawyers protect lawyers….

    @efgoldman: zing!

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @NotMax: Hell, her lawyer stated today that she considers herself freed from the nondisclosure due to breach by the other party (Cohen). I gotta believe she’s got excellent representation, including on tax matters.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman:

    I’m old enough to remember the first US mass shooting (Charles Whitman, U of Texas Tower, 1966)

    Yep, me too. That was an insane few years, the ’60s. JFK, Malcolm X, Whitman-UT, MLK, RFK, the Manson Family murders, and I’m sure I’m forgetting some.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @Baud: Damn! And bugmenot refuses to help! (I have a twitter acct, but am always in favor of fucking with The Man).

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Baud: The whole event only lasts 100 seconds.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: I love Chris Rock. Besides being funny, he is so smart and he tells the truth.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Hey, I have my idols and I have my knowledge of how I fall short. TYVM

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    efgoldman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m the one who has my house automated

    I wonder if even a tech wizard like yourself.(no sarcasm) can be sure you’re protected.

    Also somebody insulted you last nite. Said Salt Lake City was the p0rn capitol. Consumption, maybe; everyone knows Glendale is the production capitol

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    jl says:

    ” Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Cohen’s a smart lawyer
    Really? Says who? ”

    I thought it was ‘sezhhoo’

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I have to say that I doubt anything at the Olympics will ever match Klammer in Innsbruck.*

    *I doubt anyone will ever match Klammer in general.

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    lamh36 says:

    “We need bullies…that’s how Trump became President. We got rid of bullies… A real bully showed up…and NOBODY knew how to handle him”
    “The cast of Apprentice is running the world”
    Chris Rock #Tamborine

    His riff on Trump and even George W. Bush is good

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    It is in many ways the weakest book in the canon.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    This is my favorite event of the games.

    Waiting to see if someone wipes out as badly as you did?

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    Thaddeu says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    What about the Abraham Lincoln story?

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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow says that 130
    130
    People in the White House don’t have a Security Clearance

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    Corner Stone says:

    @lamh36: If Jeb! straightens his tie, then walks over to Trump and punches him in the fucking face this R primary is over.

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    efgoldman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    “The Agony of Defeat”.

    Watched every Saturday at 500pm when we were kids. Barrel jumping, lumberjack competitions, demolition derby, mixed in with real sports

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @Mnemosyne: After Newtown, Obama did a self-lacerating thing IIRC. He sat with each family for as long as needed, in private, let them say whatever they needed to say. I can’t imagine having the strength to do that. The Usurper? Not a chance.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @eric: the payment was directly against the client’s wishes. He wanted a trial, he wanted to be acquitted. He had no intention of pleading guilty. He came to us after he found out that the case had been dismissed and wanted to sue the sheriff’s dept and the soccer club for wrongfully accusing him. It was only after my boss contacted the county attorney did it come to light that the client’s lawyer had paid the soccer club off to drop the case.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    You could do worse than reading Murder Must Advertise or The Nine Tailors to start with. They don’t include Harriet Vane, except in the most oblique way, but they are of the same period. From those, I’d pick up the four HV novels in chronological order: Strong Poison, Have His Carcase, Gaudy Night (not only my favourite DLS, but my favourite novel in the world, the one I’ve read a hundred times and still find something new to appreciate every time), and Busman’s Honeymoon. You can go back later and pick up some of the backstories.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @efgoldman: No, hoping for a clean race. At the speeds those guys go, you can die. Seriously.

    Thing is, I understand how hard and risky that event is. I have gone over 50 mph on skis a number of times, and at that speed, I feel like I’m just barely hanging on. These dudes are going 80. That’s inconceivable to me.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @efgoldman: Oh, that’s just catty AF.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Gin & Tonic: How about 50MPH to zero?

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Today of all days I am glad that I made the decision to move back to the UK. I might be in danger of getting stabbed, by some random idiot but my chances of getting shot are minute.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I have gone over 50 mph on skis a number of times, and at that speed, I feel like I’m just barely hanging on.

    OMGOMGOMGIFIFALLIWILLDIEOMGOMG!!!!!11!!!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’ve read everything up to Five Red Herrings, plus Murder Must Advertise, which I read out of order by mistake. I should probably just jump forward to Gaudy Night.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Corner Stone: I did about 30 or so to 0 one time. It didn’t work out so well.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Do read the four Harriet Vane novels in sequence.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Arm surgery? I’ve been lucky that all of my falls have been ones where I could go rag-doll, recover my yardsale, and ski on.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yup. The setup was kind of like Todd Brooker at Hahnenkamm, although the finale wasn’t nearly as spectacular.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Baud:

    Late to the thread, but the workaround to the Twitter problem is to erase everything from the right end of the URL back to (and including) the question mark. That gets you the “short” tweet URL that always goes through.

    Tweets posted by front-pagers at Balloon Juice add a very long “suffix” containing the post title, presumably to tell Twitter where the “referral” is coming from. Sometimes these cause me to get a message that “Twitter is taking too long to load” or “You are not permitted to see these tweets.” Erasing the suffix always fixes the problem.

    To take the first Zeddy tweet above, if you click on it you get the URL:
    https://twitter.com/Zeddary/status/963804579971420160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.balloon-juice.com%2F2018%2F02%2F14%2Frussiagate-open-thread-the-wages-of-fiscal-sin%2F

    That can be safely shortened to:
    https://twitter.com/Zeddary/status/963804579971420160

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Hey, I’ve seen two Hahnenkammrennen in person. One was in ’92 when Kitt came in 2d. I was in Germany then and Kitz was our ski resort of choice. Bad weekend to ski there.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @oldgold: Tom Hagen was competent. There is no evidence Michael Cohen is.

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    @Steeplejack:

    Sometimes these cause me to get a message that “Twitter is taking too long to load” or “You are not permitted to see these tweets.” Erasing the suffix always fixes the problem.

    FWIW, refreshing has always fixed this specific problem for me in the past, but if they changed the algorithm in the past few days, then it might not any longer. Thanks for the heads-up about URL shortening.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Hey, I’ve seen Tutankhamen in person.

    Good Lordt. I knew you were an old but …damn!

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