REPUBS IN DISARRAY! Open Thread: “Lawmakers losing confidence in White House after Porter resignation”

Maybe it’s just that “don’t hit girls” is a really, really low bar to clear; even the dumbest most partisan Fox News watcher can understand why it’s a bad idea to get caught encouraging such behavior. Or maybe the professional Repubs are just fekkin’ desperate to sever themselves from this dumpster fire of an administration. Politico:

House Republicans raised questions Wednesday about the Trump administration’s security clearance process and an oversight panel launched an investigation, as the controversy surrounding former aide Rob Porter started to eat into their confidence in President Donald Trump’s White House.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said his House Oversight Committee on Tuesday night kicked off an investigation into Trump’s employment of Porter — the White House staff secretary who resigned last week — and what White House officials knew about domestic abuse accusations against him…

Asked about Gowdy’s investigation into the Porter scandal Wednesday, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said he had been informed of the probe and believes the White House has to improve its vetting system for employees.

“They have work to do to improve their vetting system,” Ryan told reporters on Wednesday. “I don’t know how exactly they’ll do that; I will leave that to them. But Chairman Gowdy is doing his proper job on oversight, and yes, he did give us a heads-up.”…

The Porter situation has heaped scrutiny particularly on the White House’s security clearance procedures. Many other White House aides have been operating on interim clearances because they have not gotten a permanent security signoff. The White House personnel security office said last fall it would stop issuing new interim clearances, but people who already had them were allowed to keep working.

Three Democrats plan to introduce legislation Wednesday to give Congress greater oversight of the White House’s security clearance process. Among other provisions, the legislation, co-sponsored by Reps. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) and Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), would limit the use of interim security clearances to a year and require the White House to submit a list of individuals with security clearances working in the Executive Office of the President to Congress every three months…

Gowdy denied a recent allegation from Cummings, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, that the committee had avoided investigating the White House’s security clearance issues. But he said there were limits to his committee’s ability to compel the White House and FBI to answer questions — “unless you’re Jack Bauer, you can’t make people answer questions” — and urged the media and the public to put pressure on the executive branch to be more forthcoming…

112 replies
  1. 1
    Joyce Harmon says:

    Now they’re “losing confidence”? Just NOW?!

  2. 2
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Three Democrats plan to introduce legislation Wednesday to give Congress greater oversight of the White House’s security clearance process. Among other provisions, the legislation, co-sponsored by Reps. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) and Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), would limit the use of interim security clearances to a year and require the White House to submit a list of individuals with security clearances working in the Executive Office of the President to Congress every three months…

    This is good. The Presidency has gotten too powerful and was always vulnerable to a buffoon like Trump. Won’t pass now, but it’s good that Dems are being responsible policymakers. Great contrast to the GOP.

    I think this investigation is being launched because the R’s know that the ground has begun shifting on this kind of thing and are freaked about losing their majority this fall. All the Koch cash in the world isn’t going to save them.

  3. 3
    dmsilev says:

    Gowdy denied a recent allegation from Cummings, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, that the committee had avoided investigating the White House’s security clearance issues. But he said there were limits to his committee’s ability to compel the White House and FBI to answer questions

    He’s the Chair of a Congressional Committee. He has subpoena authority and at least some budgetary authority (in theory any way). He sure as Hell can _try_ to get the WH to answer questions.

  4. 4
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @dmsilev:
    It’s bullshit anyway, even if true, that a co-equal branch can’t check another.

  5. 5
    different-church-lady says:

    This is just the American Gangsters in The Long Good Friday deciding they can’t deal with the mayhem of the uncouth Bob Hoskins character. The problem isn’t the criminal activity, it’s that this idiot is going to get them all caught.

  6. 6
    JPL says:

    When the republican party goes down in flames, I’ll offer my thoughts and prayers.

  7. 7
    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    This is good.

    Republicans still control the agenda. Its an attempt to get some news, but its not going anywhere.

  8. 8
    TenguPhule says:

    @JPL:

    When the republican party goes down in flames, I’ll offer my thoughts and prayers.

    I was going to suggest bringing smores.

  9. 9
    efgoldman says:

    @Joyce Harmon:

    Now they’re “losing confidence”?

    What they’re losing confidence in, is their own ability to get re-electred.
    All but the Kkkraziest can count, read internal party polls, and are hearing it from women they know and female constituents.

  10. 10
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    I acknowledged that.

  11. 11
    NotMax says:

    The only word which comes to mind is whitewash.

  12. 12
    trollhattan says:

    Feels so very weird rooting for Trey Gowdy.

    Will probably get over it quite quickly, but still….

  13. 13
    efgoldman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: The purpose is to force the RWNJ assholes to go on record.
    Another straw

  14. 14
    hueyplong says:

    @different-church-lady: I was thinking about the attitude Remo and the other bosses eventually took toward Joe Pesci late in the going in “C-s-no.” I was thinking that because I’m a naive optimist.

  15. 15
    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: The problem being our media doesn’t give Democrats the time of day, so other then political junkies, nobody is going to notice.

  16. 16
    TenguPhule says:

    @efgoldman:

    What they’re losing confidence in, is their own ability to get re-electred.

    Except they keep behaving as if they don’t expect any retribution.

    Its puzzling.

  17. 17
    lamh36 says:

    I believe I read somewhere that Gowdy is focusing investigating the FBI’s role, and NOT the WH

  18. 18
    MomSense says:

    @trollhattan:

    Let’s wait and see if he actually does a credible job before we give that insufferable hack an ounce of credit.

  19. 19
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:
    Adding on to that last paragraph, if the GOP hope to remain in power they’ll have to cancel elections. And all that will ultimately do is accelerate their downfall.

  20. 20
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    I have no numbers or evidence to go by, but I honestly think that the media doesn’t matter as much anymore. Lots of people are seeing Trump and the Republicans for what they are. People who were previously on the sidelines. That’s the wide swings we’re seeing in special elections. I was in a B-Dubs the other night and CNN was playing. Wolf Blitzer. The headlines were relentlessly negative for Trump. Wolf freaking Blitzer was dumping on Trump. Things are changing.

  21. 21
    trollhattan says:

    @MomSense:
    If nothing else we at least know he and his improbable hair will be moving on.

  22. 22
    Amir Khalid says:

    It might help the White House’s credibility if they got rid of the people who still don’t have clearances a year after they came aboard — like that Kushner guy, maybe.

  23. 23
    Kay says:

    because he’s the subject of a criminal probe.

    Well, sadly, voters weren’t given the chance to decide if it mattered that the Trump Family would all be the subject of criminal probes.

    Because we had to concentrate on Hillary Clinton’s email management.

    Golly- that’s the kind of stuff that can turn elections, criminal probes. Too bad voters never got a head’s up!

  24. 24
    Aleta says:

    I wish reporters would “lose confidence” in their sources inside the WH. If they must report what they’ve been told, at least stop presenting it as straight news if they haven’t confirmed it in other ways.

    And do accurate stories about manipulation of the media. Don’t be so afraid of losing your sources that you become their instrument.

  25. 25
    mai naem mobile says:

    1/please please let Stephen Miller be one of the onea without a regular security clearance.
    2/thanks to school shootings being so common in the US the WH won’t be able to hide behind the Fl school shooting tomorrow. Huckster will be back behind the podium tomorrow answering questions about Stormy and Porter.

  26. 26
    efgoldman says:

    @Kay:

    voters weren’t given the chance to decide if it mattered that the Trump Family would all be the subject of criminal probes.

    Sort of what I thought might happen. One by one, the few people who he trusts and who are loyal will drop away and get picked off one by one. leaving him more and more isolated and less ad less unable to function, for some definitions of functional. Even before the indictments start raining down.

  27. 27
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Legion of Doom always falls apart from within.

    So true. The Seahawks’s secondary is in tatters.

  28. 28
    MomSense says:

    @trollhattan:

    Thank goodness for that. Do you remember the illiterate soldier in Dances With Wolves who wiped his ass with pages from the main character’s journal? That’s who Gowdy reminds me of.

  29. 29
    mai naem mobile says:

    @Amir Khalid: sad part for Dolt45 is that i guarantee yoi Kush ain’t going to prison for him. Not even if he promises him a pardon. Not even if he has to divorce Ivanka. That weasel will flip on Dolt so fast it will make your head spin.

  30. 30
    debbie says:

    I have to say that on this horrible news day, this has cheered me up considerably:

    A manager for the porn star who was reportedly paid $130,000 by President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer claims the agreement between the two is no longer valid.

    Gina Rodriguez, a manager for Stephanie Clifford, who is also known as Stormy Daniels, said Wednesday that Clifford believes Michael Cohen voided the non-disclosure agreement with her by admitting he paid Clifford $130,000.

    Rodriguez added: “Everything is off now, and Stormy is going to tell her story.”

  31. 31
    Corner Stone says:

    @debbie:

    Rodriguez added: “Everything is off now, and Stormy is going to tell SELL her story.”

  32. 32
    danielx says:

    One more illustration of cat selective hearing: cannot hear “get down” three feet away, can hear food hitting the bowl from a hundred feet.

  33. 33
    TenguPhule says:

    @efgoldman: @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    if the GOP hope to remain in power they’ll have to cancel elections.

    Or just tip them enough. 2004 was educational and not in a good way.

  34. 34
    debbie says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I see a battle between Stormy and Omarosa to dominate the remainders table!

  35. 35
    laura says:

    Ryan tugs forelock, wishes there’d be less hiring of vile abusive rageholes. Not one word about the other 39 known to be without clearance.
    Gowdy and company will look into Porter, but not so much with the other 39 known to be without clearance.
    President shithole could care less about the lack of clearance and will happily continue to expose and reveal all manner of classified and top secret information because his base, the Senate and the Congress and majority of the Supreme Court can’t be arsed to bother upholding and/defending the Constitution.

  36. 36
    Nelle says:

    17 dead confirmed in Florida.

  37. 37
    TS says:

    @Aleta:

    I wish reporters would “lose confidence” in their sources inside the WH.

    Given that the WHPC only asks the questions approved by the WH – going to be a long time before they give up on their inside sources. I cannot believe this is the same group of people who attacked President Obama because he wore a tan suit – and now refuse to ask questions “off topic” because SHS said not to do this.

  38. 38

    Congressional Republicans have never had confidence in Trump. They are hyper-partisan nihilists terrified that if white power falters for even a second they will never get it back, which might even be true. Just because they’ve defended Trump from Democrats doesn’t mean they like him or obey him. They hate his guts.

  39. 39
    JoeyJoeJoe Junior Shabadoo says:

    @MomSense: Spivey, and Kevin Costner kills him in the end.

  40. 40
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    This isn’t 2004. A lot can still happen, but I don’t think the blue wave is going to be overcome. If it is, people will know something is up.

  41. 41
    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    That’s the wide swings we’re seeing in special elections.

    1) The trick is going to be to hold those gains, because even a little backsliding to the GOP means right back where we started. 2010 was….painful and eye opening.

    2) In a sane world, the GOP would be trying to make nice with the Democrats as they see what’s coming and try to mitigate the damage. Instead, they’re doubling down.

  42. 42
    lamh36 says:

    Seeing a Suspect name trending. “Nicholas Cruz”…

    The WH has called a lid on press…so no statement from Chump on camera…how soon before Chump jumps to conclustions?

    https://twitter.com/DavidOvalle305/status/963897587739824129

  43. 43
    lamh36 says:

    @mattdpearce
    Following Following @mattdpearce
    More
    Broward County Sheriff: School shooter had at least one AR-15 rifle and “countless” magazines.

    5:29 PM – 14 Feb 2018

  44. 44
    Brachiator says:

    Asked about Gowdy’s investigation into the Porter scandal Wednesday, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said he had been informed of the probe and believes the White House has to improve its vetting system for employees.

    Funny that the Trump Administration insists on “extreme vetting” for Muslims, but prefers practically no vetting for White House employees.

  45. 45
    Amir Khalid says:

    @danielx:
    Cat can hear you fine. Cat is just reminding you that you are not the boss of cat.

  46. 46
    divF says:

    @debbie:
    The only thing that is wrong with this story is that she doesn’t spell her name with two e’s.

  47. 47
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    Rohrabacher and Nunes evidently really like Twerp.

  48. 48
    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷: The lesson of 2004 was that all the outrage and polling and smaller elections going our way can still be thwarted by strategic cheating.

    They don’t have to win every race, just enough of them. And just close enough to make it seem remotely possible.

  49. 49
    geg6 says:

    @debbie:

    Oh man, could it be that the FSM loves me this much?

  50. 50

    @Corner Stone: Hey. She’s seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Things that no doubt would give many people a severe case of PTSD. If she wants to cash in, I can’t begrudge her too heavily, especially if it contributes to the downfall of Tangerine Torquemada.

  51. 51
    lamh36 says:

    @browardsheriff
    5m5 minutes ago
    More
    “I’m saddened to say that 17 people lost their lives.”- Sheriff Scott Israel #stonemanshooting

    Official 17 dead.

    @wsvn
    3m3 minutes ago
    More
    UPDATE: @browardsheriff confirms 17 people have died: 12 in the building, 2 outside of the building, 1 on Pine Island Rd., and 2 in the hospital.
    https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/963918659268890624

  52. 52
    dmsilev says:

    @Brachiator: I’m sure they vet very carefully to make sure that no honest people inadvertently end up working at the WH.

  53. 53
    MomSense says:

    @JoeyJoeJoe Junior Shabadoo:

    Thank you! Gowdy even looks like a Spivey.

  54. 54
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    1) That’s true. This is a multi-cycle effort. I hope voters understand this now. The GOP must be kept out of power until they regain their senses, barring that, their collapse. Trying to take away healthcare should help with this.

    2) That’s what R’s do. It will hasten their destruction.

  55. 55

    @lamh36: Oof. This is horrible. I used to live in Parkland. It feels like a million years ago (I was just a kid), but I used to travel down Pine Island Rd. all the time. This one is chilling to me. And I’m seething with a quiet fury that it still won’t result in any reform to our gun laws.

  56. 56
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Funny thing is, I don’t think that’s wash as well this time around. The benefit of the doubt has been abused too much.

  57. 57
    gene108 says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    I don’t like the submitting a list to Congress every three months.

    That is just waiting for a Republican Congress to use it to harass the hell out of a Democratic President.

    Watergate spawned a Congressional Special Prosecutor to investigate the White House. Gingrich & Co abused by appointing Ken Starr, and then pointing to Starr and saying “look it can be abused” and then abolished it.

    Today’s GOP operates in much less good faith than Gingrich era Republicans did.

  58. 58
    Corner Stone says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))): I hope she gets a million dollar advance and she gives it (all details) all up. She can make a fortune touring the south, stripping and doing book signings. Maybe finish off in the pr0n capital of the US, Utah.

  59. 59
    Brachiator says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Congressional Republicans have never had confidence in Trump. They are hyper-partisan nihilists terrified that if white power falters for even a second they will never get it back, which might even be true. Just because they’ve defended Trump from Democrats doesn’t mean they like him or obey him. They hate his guts.

    Then why are they kissing Trump’s ass, and why have they done so since the primaries?

    The Republican Congressional leadership could easily rein Trump in. Instead they have his back and go running to the money men to insulate them from the consequences of their bad decisions.

    Have we seen any public act of defiance? Any on the record criticism of Trump from any Republican currently holding office, and who has not decided on an early retirement?

  60. 60
    Corner Stone says:

    @gene108:

    Today’s GOP operates in much less good faith than Gingrich era Republicans did.

    You mean when Newt did his firebrand impression in front of cameras in an empty House? Making Radio Rwanda seem tame? That good faith?

  61. 61
    Gravenstone says:

    @divF: Ah, the classics. I knew immediately what you had to be referencing.

  62. 62
    Roger Moore says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:
    This is good, but it still faces the most fundamental problem with all this stuff: it falls apart if Congress doesn’t do its job policing the president. Congress already has all the powers it needs to rein Trump in; they have plenty of justification for impeachment today. They don’t want to do anything about him, and no set of rules they come up with will accomplish anything until they do.

  63. 63
    Sloane Ranger says:

    I assume any investigation led by Trey Gowdy into this matter is intended to show that this is all part of the Deep State conspiracy and the FBI is totally to blame.

  64. 64
    Brachiator says:

    @dmsilev:

    I’m sure they vet very carefully to make sure that no honest people inadvertently end up working at the WH.

    Ya know, this may be very true. I have seen before that dishonest organizations attract thieves and rogues and strongly discourage honest people from joining.

  65. 65
    Mike G says:

    Coming soon, probably:
    “Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said his House Oversight Committee on Tuesday night kicked off an investigation into how the innumerable White House fuckups could be blamed on Benghazi, Jade Helm, pedophile pizza parlors and FBI Trump-hating secret societies”

  66. 66
    lamh36 says:

    In case we forget, for whenever the “mentally ill” excuse come up

    @NYDailyNews
    Follow Follow @NYDailyNews
    More New York Daily News Retweeted
    In February 2017, President Trump signed a bill making it easier for mentally ill people to obtain guns. http://nydn.us/2EDReUV

  67. 67
    lamh36 says:

    @owillis
    ive noted this before but after columbine, kids did not know how to speak to the media. now, they all seem to know how to expertly do it and it makes me incredibly sad.

    5:12 PM – Feb 14, 2018

  68. 68
    Just One More Canuck says:

    @danielx: Mine can hear me open the cupboard door where her food is when she’s sound asleep two floors away

  69. 69
    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Brachiator:
    Actually, I’d argue that because Republicans aren’t reigning him in they’re getting their asses beat in elections, so it’s a double edged sword.

  70. 70

    @Corner Stone: Agreed. Honestly, I’d find it almost poetic.

  71. 71
    Just One More Canuck says:

    @debbie: I’ll be disappointed if there isn’t a WWE bout between Stormy (sorry, Stormee) and Omorosa

  72. 72
    debbie says:

    @geg6:

    The tweetstorms should be epic!

  73. 73
    TenguPhule says:

    I’d like a new thread to complain about the Food Box Insanity Proposal.

  74. 74
    TenguPhule says:

    Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said Wednesday that the panel had seen an “abundance” of evidence of collusion with Russia and obstruction by Donald Trump’s campaign and administration that is not yet public.

    Speaking to reporters in Washington, Schiff said a lot of information was already in the public domain that pointed to extensive contacts between the Trump campaign team and the Kremlin, and later efforts by the Trump entourage to cover up those contacts. But Schiff said there was much more to come out.

    He said: “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some … on the issue of obstruction.”

  75. 75
    Anonymous At Work says:

    This is “Blame the messenger, not the message” damage control. Bush “wasn’t a true conservative” since his “compassionate conservative” dogwhistle sounds vaguely liberal. Trump “wasn’t a true conservative” since his WH was staffed by wife-beater and lackeys.

  76. 76
    bemused says:

    @lamh36:

    One of kids lost a classmate in an accident when he was in high school. Small class, all pretty close. After awhile, they started phoning each other and met to be with each other. They got even closer. A year later they lost another classmate in an accident. I answered the phone and heard the tragic news. I looked over at our kid just relaxing in a chair and thought how am I going to tell him. When I did, he flung his head back in the chair and sat for a few minutes. Then he got up and he and his classmates started calling each other. Very soon after that, they had plans to meet and he was out the door. I remember saying to my husband that how sad is it that they know exactly what to do this time, they have the drill down and yet they know how to get through it, together.

  77. 77
    Riccardo Cabeza says:

    @Joyce Harmon: republican assholes decide treason isn’t a good campaign slogan. fuck them all to death

  78. 78
    Brachiator says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Baka Amerikahito) 🗳 🌷:

    Actually, I’d argue that because Republicans aren’t reigning him in they’re getting their asses beat in elections, so it’s a double edged sword.

    Good point. I have said before that the GOP did not fear the voters. They felt that gerrymandering and the money men would insulate them. I still believe that the GOP does not really give a shit about voters, not even their own base, or Trump’s base.

    But you make a very good point when you point out that sticking to Trump has had electoral consequences and the Republicans have suffered. Problem is, they don’t know how to get out of the deal with the devil that they made in backing Trump.

  79. 79
    lamh36 says:

    It’s a private moment, but unfortunately, maybe THIS is what some folks need to see and hear!

    “@TMannWSJ
    Follow Follow @TMannWSJ
    More
    Every time this happens now, I think of John McKinney, standing alone in the firehouse hallway at Sandy Hook, hearing the wail go up as the governor broke the news.

    And then the same thing happening, in some other town, over and over again.” (more details at link)
    https://twitter.com/TMannWSJ/status/963887035470745600

  80. 80
    Peale says:

    @Brachiator: yep. List the top ten gop congressmen who disagree with Trump. Can’t get passed five I bet

  81. 81
    lamh36 says:

    @NBCNews
    1m1 minute ago
    More
    “They’re all gunshot wound victims”

    Doctors at Broward North discuss condition of patients admitted following Florida school mass shooting. http://nbcnews.to/2BXQrx9

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/963925958389583872

  82. 82
    Van Buren says:

    @JPL: My thought: GOOD RIDDANCE My prayer: THAT THEY NEVER RETURN.

  83. 83
    Baud says:

    I think I maligned Michelle Kwan this morning by confusing her with another figure skater. I’m sorry, Michelle.

  84. 84
    TenguPhule says:

    Talks to restore the power-sharing government in Northern Ireland collapsed on Wednesday, as the DUP said there was no prospect of a compromise with Sinn Féin and accused Theresa May of an unhelpful and distracting visit to Belfast earlier this week.

    In an extraordinary broadside at the prime minister, whose Conservative party has a confidence deal with the DUP in parliament, the DUP negotiator Simon Hamilton said May’s visit to Stormont on Monday with the Irish taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, had given a false sense of progress and was not “entirely helpful”.

    “Regardless of the intervention, unsuccessful as it was of both prime ministers, significant and serious gaps remain between ourselves and Sinn Féin,” he said.

    New Troubles on the horizon across the pond.

  85. 85
  86. 86
    trollhattan says:

    @Baud:
    You MONSTER!

  87. 87
    Mnemosyne says:

    I’m looking at a small image of the final Black Panther poster with all of the characters on it and only just realized that the background forms an X.

    Well played, poster designer. Well played.

  88. 88
    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    New Troubles on the horizon across the pond.

    This is an indirect residue of BREXIT. Prior agreements mandated that the same rules had to apply to both sides of the border, if I understand this correctly. BREXIT and UK disengagement from EU rules fucks this up.

    And on top of all this, no one trusts the UK now that they have made the DUP their coalition partner. They are no longer perceived as an honest broker. Kinda like Trump and the Middle East now that he has declared for Jerusalem.

    ETA: I will soon be on the road for on my commute. I think you and others wanted to bring up another story and I may miss out on reading the thread. With respect to the food box BS. A CNBC story notes:

    The USDA estimated it would save $129 billion over a decade, driven in part by the government’s unique purchasing power.

    How come the government doesn’t use its unique purchasing power to lower the cost of drugs?

  89. 89
    Miss Bianca says:

    @TenguPhule: God, I hope not. That would break my heart.

  90. 90
    Van Buren says:

    @Just One More Canuck: My dogs can hear the sound of a knife slicing cheese through 2 walls and over the sound of Tull cranked up to 11.

  91. 91
    Mnemosyne says:

    @hueyplong:

    True fact: my spouse went to high school with the daughter of the guy Pesci’s character was based on. And, yes, the murder was pretty much as portrayed in the movie. 😢

  92. 92
    Brachiator says:

    There’s a story on Slate that suggests that the Republicans might bounce back somewhat. Long story, and I have not had time to read it. Lots of conventional wisdom.

    Republicans Rising
    Why things are looking up for Trump and his party

    On Tuesday, the Democratic super PAC Priorities USA released a poll showing President Trump’s approval rating rising several points and Republicans making gains in the race for Congress. Trump’s numbers are still very low, and Republicans are still set to lose a number of seats in the House. But the poll nevertheless lines up with polling averages we have been seeing over the past several weeks and raises questions about just how well Democrats will do in November and just why Trump’s message on taxes and the economy seems to be working.

    One semi-interesting point is that they suggest that the Democrats can’t get a lot of play because the media won’t cover their take on the issues. But I think the Democrats can bust through. They need to focus on Trump’s failures. He promised better health care, but just got stupid and vengeful. They need to be more concrete on the tax bills weaknesses and outline a superior alternative, not just talk about how it favors the rich. The voters expect this. But they also expect miracles, that they will get something out of the tax bill also. Make the lie of this easier to understand.

  93. 93
    Brachiator says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’m looking at a small image of the final Black Panther poster with all of the characters on it and only just realized that the background forms an X.

    Keep hearing great things about the movie and will see it Saturday. I’ve seen some stories wondering if it will do well in foreign markets despite its strong favorable ratings here. Also, box office watchers will be looking to see how strong the second week of release might be.

    Superhero movies with anyone other than the standard white bread male heroes still makes Hollywood nervous. OTOH, Wonder Woman kicked ass in its HBO showing, continuing its strong reception among movie watchers.

  94. 94

    @Brachiator: #SlatePitch at its finest. I’ll link a rebuttal later in the form of historical data suggesting that, for whatever reason, the president’s party recovers in polls around this time of a midterm election year, then typically falls again. We just turned Sarasota blue. Some people aren’t happy unless they’re serving as soothsayers of doom.

  95. 95
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    Disney is 1000% behind the movie, and they’re gambling that it ends up doing really well. I suspect that it will do pretty well overseas because it’s an action/superhero movie, but we’ll see. Oddly, I think that having a primarily Black cast may end up working in its favor.

  96. 96
    Jeffro says:

    The key is, we are talking national security here…NO Republican wants to be caught out as weak on that. That’s why they get nervous when we talk about the people without clearances …

    …WHICH IS WHY WE SHOULD KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE LACK OF SECURITY CLEARANCES !!!

  97. 97

    @Mnemosyne: I’m almost certain it will. IIRC, Moonlight (completely different genre; similar cast) also did really well overseas.

  98. 98
    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @hueyplong:

    Casino and socialism and the other bad words are okay now! Alain did a fix.

  99. 99
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): thank god. can anyone spare some cialis?

  100. 100
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I think that having a primarily Black cast may end up working in its favor.

    Works great for the NFL and NBA! NHL might have better ratings with some diversity.

  101. 101
    Brachiator says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Disney is 1000% behind the movie, and they’re gambling that it ends up doing really well. I suspect that it will do pretty well overseas because it’s an action/superhero movie, but we’ll see. Oddly, I think that having a primarily Black cast may end up working in its favor.

    I’ve seen that 2 of the few negative reviews of BP have come from Australia, which sadly, has audiences that do not always give a chance to films with people of color.

  102. 102
    Mnemosyne says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))):

    I think — and I have not yet done the research — that films with a Black lead heading a mostly white cast do worse overseas than films with an all-Black or primarily Black cast. But I would have to do the research on BoxOfficeMojo to confirm that.

  103. 103
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    Australia is not a very big market in itself. It’s the rest of Asia — China, South Korea, Japan, and Vietnam — where it will really be tested.

    IIRC, Vietnam is the fastest-growing movie market right now.

    ETA: Obviously, I’m naming the Asian markets that consume a lot of Hollywood movies, not the whole region. Indian audiences are not very fond of Hollywood movies and prefer their own films.

  104. 104
    tychay says:

    @Brachiator: they can’t because they will either be primaried or will lose their “retirement” sinecures. Until that structure comes down, republicans have no reason to change even as they wind their way to oblivion like the CAGOP did.

  105. 105
    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    Gowdy doesn’t want Trump’s taint hurting him

    I did not need to read those words.

  106. 106
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @tychay: first time I’ve seen one of your posts in real time! How’s it hanging? Has Marie been asking about me? I was very clear that I am married.

  107. 107
    WaterGirl says:

    @geg6: Could her stories of disgusting Trump hair details be the thing that would turn Trump’s supporters against him? I have been thinking that there will be some bizarre thing that turns the tide, where we think: after everything he’s done, THAT WAS A BRIDGE TOO FAR?

    I hope she publishes her book soon. If she’s smart, she started writing it when the whole thing hit the news months ago.

  108. 108
    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Brachiator:

    And on top of all this, no one trusts the UK now that they have made the DUP their coalition partner. They are no longer perceived as an honest broker. Kinda like Trump and the Middle East now that he has declared for Jerusalem.

    Right? This is what happens when you partner with Zapp Brannigan.

  109. 109
    Brachiator says:

    @Jeffro:

    …WHICH IS WHY WE SHOULD KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE LACK OF SECURITY CLEARANCES !!!

    Yep. Especially when the GOP want to try to bash Democrats for being weak on defense or bring up Hillary and her emails.

  110. 110
    jonas says:

    @trollhattan: Don’t worry — it’s a bit of “oh yeah, sure we take this seriously” posturing to give Republican candidates some cover this fall when some constituent asks them if they back Trump’s habit of hiring abusers: “Of course I fully back chairman Gowdy’s very serious, thorough investigation yada yada…” He ain’t gonna do shit. Any more than Devin Nunes is going to get to the root of the Russia hacks.

  111. 111
    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Mnemosyne: Black Panther has been smashing records for advance ticket sales–best-ever for this time of year, best ever for a superhero flick. There’s this huge pent-up demand.

  112. 112

    @MisterForkbeard: This simply isn’t fair to Zapp Brannigan. Billy West, who’d been reading some of Trump’s quotes in Zapp’s voice, outright refused to read the Access Hollywood tape because there are some lines even Zapp wouldn’t cross. I assume it’s only gotten worse since then.

Comments are closed.