Another very fine person…

Trump finally commented on the Porter situation (The Post):

“We wish him well; he worked very hard,” Trump said to a small group of reporters at the White House, providing his first public comments on the topic. “We found out about it recently, and I was surprised by it, but we certainly wish him well, and it’s a tough time for him. He did a very good job when he was in the White House, and we hope he has a wonderful career, and he will have a great career ahead of him. But it was very sad when we heard about it, and certainly he’s also very sad now. He also, as you probably know, says he’s innocent, and I think you have to remember that. He said very strongly yesterday that he’s innocent, so you have to talk to him about that, but we absolutely wish him well. He did a very good job when he was at the White House.”

It was “very sad.” Porter is “very sad.” But Porter did a “very good job” and has a “great career ahead of him,” because who wouldn’t want to hire a serial domestic abuser?

I get tired of saying it, but it’s true: Having that sexist sack of shit in the White House is a daily degradation, a wound that never really heals. But what’s even sadder than unemployed Porter is that it’s all so utterly unsurprising.

Of course Trump isn’t capable of expressing pro forma concern for the actual victims. Of course it did not occur to him to condemn domestic violence in general terms. In Trump’s mind, women are inferior creatures — it’s been clear for decades he believes this — and tens of millions of Americans, including millions of white women, are okay with that.

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  1. 1
    Just the Facts says:

    When Porter rage-chokes Hope Hicks into a coma, maybe then Trump will…

    What am I saying? Trump will dismiss it and the GOP will support him.

  2. 2
    Magda in Black says:

    The ex wife interview on Anderson Cooper is worth a watch.
    ( snow day Chicago here)

  3. 3

    Let me try this again. In the previous thread, I triggered moderation.

    OT but we are back from Mr DAW’s doc appointment. The news is once again good but not conclusive. The MRI says the growth looks benign. But they also did a blood test for and a result is elevated so they’re not as comfortable as they’d like to be with that. So next Tuesday, he sees a specialist.
    I appreciate all the sympathy, but you can stop if you want. This could drag on.

    ETA: Damn. I did it again. Let me edit.

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    Mary G says:

    His fault was not in what he did, but in getting caught doing it. They let you do it when you’re a star.
    ~Trump

    I admire the hell out of the two ex-wives and the ex-girlfriend, who stood by their guns when the Mormon church leaders sided with Porter.

    The part about the ex-wife getting a black eye when they were fighting about a vase and the vase hit her was classic.

    The good thing that’s come out of this is the exposure of John Kelly as trash.

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    MJS says:

    Was this a setting where our worthless press could have asked follow-up questions? If so, a couple of suggestions:

    1. Do you believe Porter when he says he’s innocent?
    2. (When Trump answers with his typical, “Who knows?”) Do you believe the women are lying?

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    James E. Powell says:

    Anybody going to do a follow-up on that “recently”? Can we get the who, what, and when?

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    d58826 says:

    According to Gen. Kelly on MSNBC he didn’t find out about Porters little hobby until Tue. night. badly fails that smacked a*** test. There are restraining orders, photos, divorce papers, interviews and security investigations. What does it take for Gen. kelly to realize what is happening. Maybe if Porter had given Kelly a black eye (physical since he already has symbolically) he might have asked some questions.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    I’m not sure that Kelly survives the weekend. He’s on short time.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MJS: They don’t have to ask him. Just roll tape on his defense and endorsement of Roy Moore.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Seems pretty clear the knives are out for him. I wonder who?

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    d58826 says:

    Poor Nicholle Wallace. she is running out of ways to be amazed at what is happening in the WH.

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    Mike in DC says:

    Think there’s lots of room for growth with non college educated white women voters.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @d58826:

    badly fails that smacked a*** test

    Ashy test? Axle test?

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    Lee says:

    There is a tweet out there of a Trump spokesperson throwing Hope Hicks under the bus for this.

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    Lee says:

    Here is the tweet throwing Hicks under the bus on Porter.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @d58826: I like her show because I think she tries to stay truthful. But it’s wearing me out to watch the same sublimated outrage she expresses every day. She also has too many of the same guests on over and over.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    The good thing that’s come out of this is the exposure of John Kelly as trash.

    @Mary G: And boy, is he ever. I’m not sure what is worse in the grand scheme of things: giving a guy who CANNOT get a clearance unlimited access to classified material, or going to the wall for, and then concocting an utter bullshit story about how once he, John Kelly, General of Honor, found out that “Punchy” Porter had indeed slugged his wives in a manner that would not be out of place in an MMA match that he, John Kelly, General of Honor, had Punchy Porter out the door in 40 minutes. Neither is defensible. In any way.

    He is who we thought he is. I am hoping that at least Mattis is not who I think he is.

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    Kay says:

    The White House’s “official position” on the sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump that came out during the presidential campaign is that all of the women were lying, a spokesperson said.

    Trump himself said it on the campaign trail “every woman who came forward to hurt my campaign lied”

    It’s really all about them. Women just lie to hurt them.

    We’ve know that this is the official Trump Administration position for years now. It’s what they are.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Lee: Feel no love for Hope but it’s just blatant that of course the woman is going to end up paying for some man’s bullshit.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @d58826:

    What does it take for Gen. kelly to realize what is happening.

    Willingness to admit what was going on– something Trump still lacks.

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    Magda in Black says:

    @Lee:
    That is just classic Trump stupidity. That woman knows everything.

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    randy khan says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    Interesting that there are reports that Kelly might be on his way out. There also are reports that Trump is blaming Hope Hicks, apparently because she was involved in crafting the initial statements on Porter.

    Also interesting from that story is the bit about Trump’s first choice to replace Kelly saying no. It’s very unusual for people to turn down Presidents who ask them to take jobs, partly because of the notion that you do what a President asks, partly because the people who vet those jobs generally make sure the person who’s about to be asked will say yes, and partly because you try only to ask qualified people. I’m guessing that Trump fails all three of those tests. (And the guy who was mentioned sure seemed like somebody who would be a bad fit for the job, so perhaps he was self-aware enough to know it.)

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    Dmbeaster says:

    So President Pussy Grabber does not seem troubled by ordinary physical battery as opposed to sexual battery which he prefers. Color me surprised.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Jar Jar and Ivana Jr have been CoS shopping like they do for a new sofa or set of drapes.

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    germy says:

    Here’s what he was saying back in ’12:

    If @rihanna is dating @chrisbrown again then she has a death wish. A beater is always a beater–just watch!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2012

    shorter trump

    white men: innocent

    women, minorities: guilty, probably deserved it

    https://t.co/KVPxVBfjkW— Oliver Willis (@owillis) February 9, 2018

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Jarvanka!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    I am hoping that at least Mattis is not who I think he is.

    Sorry, they were all assholes when they signed up for the gig. I know Adam vouched for some of them, but he got it wrong.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @germy:
    There is always a tweet.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @randy khan: So another day ending in Y.

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    Mary G says:

    @The Moar You Know: The details on the guy who John Kelly previously praised as being of high character are scandalous. He drove to his arraignment with a blood alcohol of .208!

    John Kelly's defense of Rob Porter is not an anomaly. Not long ago, he served as a character witness for a former marine who was accused of sexual misconduct against female subordinates — and who was later arrested on 7 felony warrants of indecent liberties with a child. pic.twitter.com/9V30nak084— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) February 9, 2018

    I am seeing on Twitter that Mathis doesn’t plan to allow Dreamers serving in the military to be deported, so he does seem marginally more decent, but can he really stop it? We’ll have MPs shooting down ICE agents?

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    Roll this off your tongue – Chief of Staff Ivanka. She’s the one person who has his ear and his adoration.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Mary G: It’s almost like Mattis is daring Trump to fire him.

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    Cacti says:

    The Republican Party believes that women deserve equal rights…

    and lefts.

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    trollhattan says:

    Unfortunately this study is behind a paywall, but anyhoo.

    A new Public Opinion Quarterly article finds that late movement to Donald Trump and a lack of education weighting were the best explanations for the state polling error in the 2016 presidential campaign.

    Interestingly, there is little evidence that “shy voter” responses were an important contributor to polling error.

    We know 1. what caused that late movement [cough, Comey, cough] and 2. lack of ed-you-kashun weighting was idiotic to anybody watching the behavior of his rally crowds.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Mostly good news, and good news is good. I am sorry you can’t heave a sigh of relief yet, though. Waiting sucks. But I’m so glad it wasn’t worse news.

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    @Mary G: Well has Mattis done anything while veterans are being deported? If he has been, then I am unaware of the fact. As they say, talk is cheap.

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    germy says:

    So Lewandowski was allegedly pushing dirt on a Trump aide who just happened to be dating the woman he allegedly had an affair with during the campaign?

    https://t.co/eVbjon9g3b— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) February 9, 2018

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    trollhattan says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
    You sure that’s his ear she has?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Roll this off your tongue – Chief of Staff Ivanka.

    Sounds nice but I doubt it. The CoS job is a bunch of work, no matter how hard you try to avoid doing any of it, or try to delegate to underlings. I’m sure they already have a supplicant lined up who will return the WH to the laissez faire ersatz Trump Tower South.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Kelly is safe. Trump does not fire anyone. He is a coward.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cacti:

    The Republican Party believes that women deserve equal rights…

    and lefts.

    Both sides! /S

  43. 43
    germy says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Seems pretty clear the knives are out for him. I wonder who?

    Javanka?

  44. 44
    TenguPhule says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Kelly is safe. Trump does not fire anyone. He is a coward.

    And yet an awful lot of people have quit……

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mary G:

    We’ll have MPs shooting down ICE agents?

    No. They’ll be discharged or on leave….THEN ICE will grab them.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Lee: Her first allegiance must be to Trump. That is more important to him than anything. Might be the best thing for Hicks if he fires her, too. That would keep her for causing harm to herself while trying to defend the pretend president in the Mueller investigation.

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    p.a. says:

    If this admin lasts 4 years sooner or later (sooner than later) they’ll have to dump Sessions: the only way the WH will be able to recruit personnel is if there’s a general felony amnesty.

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    Suffragette City says:

    MSNBC reporting Rachel Brand stepping down at DOJ

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl: Hope is thigh high boots deep in the shit. She’s not walking away from this unscathed, no matter how it plays out.

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    JPL says:

    @Suffragette City: That’s not good.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @JPL: MSNBC speculation is that she saw the Trump Train coming right at her and decided what was left of her reputation could be salvaged by exiting.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Suffragette City: #3, right behind Rosenstein, yes? Ooh, what Jeffy gonna do now?

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    Barry says:

    @d58826: ” What does it take for Gen. kelly to realize what is happening.”

    He likes the power – to hurt people. Frankly, I hope that he gets caught up in Muller’s net, and bad things happen to him.

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    germy says:

    Unless it’s changed overnight, the motto of the Olympics, since 1894, has been “Faster, Higher, Stronger.” It appears the U.S. Olympic Committee would like to change that to “Darker, Gayer, Different.” If your goal is to win medals, that won’t work.

    John Moody, Fox News’ executive vice president

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Corner Stone:

    She’s not walking away from this unscathed, no matter how it plays out.

    She might be able to walk away unscathed if she [Edit] has gives up the goods on her boss.

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    @WaterGirl: That was my reaction too. We’ll see I guess. We’re lucky to have access to all the tests and this specialist. I’ve decided I’m going to believe it will all turn out ok. Why not?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Suffragette City: Hmmm. That’s fascinating.

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    NCSteve says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    He is who we thought he is.

    Yeah. Martin Bormann without the integrity.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Agree. Besides, Trump agrees that Porter should have stayed in the job. He agrees with Kelly. Why would he fire him. After all, he only exposed classified information to someone not eligible for a security clearance, but I am sure his emails are fine, and that’s what counts.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Suffragette City:

    I’ve lost track of the players. Why is this bad, again?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: That completely works for me. All who work for Trump are all, singly and collectively, pieces of shit.

    I especially hate people like Trump who think that loyalty is a one-way street. Nail her for everything she’s done – I just don’t want to see her fall on her sword in an attempt to protect Trump from things he’s done. Trump deserves nothing good. From anyone.

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    Waratah says:

    @Corner Stone: just saw a headline where Trump thinks hope put herself before the White House on this. She looks like the one that will be shot down on this.

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    Barry says:

    @TenguPhule: “Sorry, they were all assholes when they signed up for the gig. I know Adam vouched for some of them, but he got it wrong.”

    Warren Buffet once said that when a management team with a good reputation took over a company with a bad reputation, the company’s reputation survived.

    As far as I can tell, Trump has not corrupted a single one of these guys. He’s just incompetent enough to reveal their existing evil and corruption.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’m with you. Never heard of her. I do work for a living!

  66. 66
    Barry says:

    @The Moar You Know: “I am hoping that at least Mattis is not who I think he is.”

    Note that as far as we know, McMasters, one of Petraeus’ golden boy, is floating the idea of starting a war with N. Korea.

    It’s down to Mattis now, and considering how many other reputations were not worth used toilet paper, the odds are not good.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Barry:

    As far as I can tell, Trump has not corrupted a single one of these guys. He’s just incompetent enough to reveal their existing evil and corruption.

    The truest thing ever said by anyone here was “Everything Trump touches turns to shit. No exceptions.”

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    germy says:

    CNN’s Oliver Darcy: It’s “confusing” that Fox News now claims executive VP John Moody’s bigoted Olympics article “doesn’t reflect the company’s views”

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    @Mnemosyne: I remember reading that Brand was an ideologue and eager to do RWNJ bidding but I am not a lawyer so I have no idea whether I should cheer or be sad.

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    JPL says:

    @Corner Stone: CNN gave two possibilities, the investigation being one, and the other her husband is an atty for Gates.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: I had no idea it was even possible to go too far on FOX. Amazing!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @TenguPhule: People at lower levels, where someone else does the dirty work. Trump himself would have to fire Kelly.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’ve lost track of the players. Why is this bad, again?

    Number #3 at the Justice department, one of Trump’s first nominations.

    Past ties include Alberto Gonzale’s purge of the AGs (She was floated as one of the potential replacements).

    Federalist Society and Heritage contributer.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @JPL: I can only hope this means that Mueller’s investigation is about to ramp up in some way.

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    Waratah says:

    @Corner Stone: Do you think they will want her away from them in case she unloads with Mueller.

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    Ken says:

    @germy: “Previously on Peyton Place…”

    (Though the antics of the Trump crowd are more like Jerry Springer.)

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    Roger Moore says:

    @TenguPhule:

    The truest thing ever said by anyone here was “Everything Trump touches turns to shit. No exceptions.”

    I’m inclined to agree with Josh Marshall. It’s not that Trump turned those people to shit. They already were shit, and Trump convinced them it was OK to stop hiding it.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Clearly Steve Bannon is waiting for the call to take up residence behind Kelly’s desk.

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    germy says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I had no idea it was even possible to go too far on FOX. Amazing!

    Neither did I. But I’m sure they’re making up for it as we speak. They’ve always been horrible but lately they’ve really dialed up the lies and nastiness.

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    jl says:

    Oddly enthusiastic statement about a guy the WH seems to be accusing of dishonesty about the accusations, and actual history events, even apart from the alleged wrongdoing. Trump don’t care about abusive behavior, or integrity of operations in his own administration. That’s the bottom line for me.

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    Mike in DC says:

    The only one left after Rosenstein to fire Mueller now, as far as I can tell, is the Solicitor General.

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    germy says:

    @Ken:

    (Though the antics of the Trump crowd are more like Jerry Springer.)

    When does Ivanka kick off her shoes and grab Hope’s wig?

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    Mary G says:

    @Mnemosyne: Some as seeing it as sort of a Saturday Night Massacre in reverse order:

    The 2 people below Rosenstein on the how-to-fire-Mueller flowchart have now both moved on https://t.co/pJ87x23Kzw pic.twitter.com/whBWrUIOkD— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) February 9, 2018

    So Twitler can put stooges in the #2 and #3 slots, who he knows will cut Mueller off if he can get rid of Rosenstein, he can focus on defaming Rosenstein and voila, the Russia investigation goes away.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I had no idea it was even possible to go too far on FOX.

    Going too far means they’ve discovered what you did went across badly, so it can only be determined in retrospect.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    The depths of depravity have no bottom where Donald is concerned.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    Specialist.

    This will be fixed when Alain fixes the well-known socialist problem.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore: ha ha ha. Like my sister, who will say something and then if it doesn’t go over well, she declares “I was just kidding”.

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    Suffragette City says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    I’ve lost track of the players. Why is this bad, again?
    3rd in line at DOJ ..Trump would need to have someone else confirmed if the got rid of Sessions/Rosentstein
    But I also think he has ways around that too.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I keep expecting the Schiff memo today, or a statement from Trump that he is not releasing it. He had 5 days and I think today is the day. Does anybody know for sure?

    I haven’t seen a single news dump today except maybe the Rachel Brand resignation.

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    jl says:

    @Roger Moore: Need to respect the integrity of the pretense. Violating kayfabe and disrespecting the kabuki traditions is bad.

    To be cynical, it might just be bad timing and presentation. If the team under performed expectations, and Fox News viewers were primed for some blame game on why US team did not dominate and destroy all competition, maybe a column about them damned ******, ****, and @!%$$!***! ice skaters would have worked, if Moody had it property massaged and vetted.

    Edit: forgot ***, can’t for forget the ***

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    @WaterGirl: It would be… how should I say it… not bright on his part to fire Hicks. Generally, when you’re under federal investigation, potentially for capital crimes, it’s… inadvisable to fire the person who knows where all the bodies are buried.

    What I’m saying is, she probably won’t last the month.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @WaterGirl:
    Exactly. The problem, of course, is that we know they were joking; we just think their sense of humor shows something bad about them.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))): I predict that by the end it will just be Trump and Ivanka.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    So are we going to get an open thread anytime soon? I bought a bunch of supplies at Michael’s yesterday so I can make Galentine’s Day cards for my friends at work.

    No, that’s not a typo. Follow the link. It’s the next Festivus, but for ladies only.

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    @Steeplejack: Really? That’s the bad word? I’d never have guessed that.

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    randy khan says:

    @TenguPhule:

    So another day ending in Y

    Yeah, pretty much. Everything that goes wrong is somebody else’s fault.

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    @WaterGirl: Given that he has the overall loyalty of a shark (ironic for someone who hates them so much – thanks, Stormy!), I certainly wouldn’t bet against this outcome.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: IF you still have time, fix your link. you have an extra character at the end.

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    MJS says:

    @Mary G: “Voila” only in Trump’s tiny brain.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):
    Sending positive thoughts and prayers 🙏

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    mai naem mobile says:

    I hope Kelly has been recording conversations with Dolt45 and family which he can hand over to Mueller if/when he’s quits/gets fired.
    I think this WH has so many totally incompetent people that Kelly ignored the info on Porter because Porter was one of the few people who was competent. I think Kelly’s gone by Monday. If I was some GOP bigwig and Dolt45 called me personally and asked me to be COS I would come up with a BS reason to say no…my (late)grandma is gravely ill or that I just found out I have trichoid(hair) cancer or i have narcolepsy.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mary G:

    Given that the person who quit was apparently deeply involved in firing ADAs during the Bush administration, one wonders how far down the ladder Trump will have to go to find someone even more malleable and partisan. 🤔

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    GregB says:

    Only the best traitors, batterers, assaulters, Nazis, fascists, goons, thugs, malcontents, grifters, tramps and thieves.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I was googling to find out of Trump was going to release Schiff’s memo today. Still unclear, but FU Trump:

    People close to the White House told The New York Times that Trump will likely allow the Democratic memo to be made public, albeit with redactions.

    Trump’s chief of staff, John Kelly, told reporters Tuesday that the Democrats’ memo is “a lot less clean” than the one released last week by committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif.

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    Just one more canuck says:

    Number 3 at the Justice Department is taking on the same ring as Number 2 at Al Qaeda

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    @Mary G: and @Suffragette City:
    Trump does not operate with the level of subtlety or patience you are describing. He is a child. He wants it, give it to him now. This is not a plan to stop Mueller.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Just one more canuck: hahahahaha

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    D’oh! I missed the window. Trying again.

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    Ken says:

    @WaterGirl:

    the Democrats’ memo is “a lot less clean”

    I’m mentally translating that to “over four pages and uses big words.” It might also mean “cites actual sources instead of just making sh*t up.”

    Oh, who am I kidding. It really means “says things Trump doesn’t like.”

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    Anything containing the forbidden drug name Cialis.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: Nope, extra character still on the end. Fixed:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/516408/

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ken: I laughed 3 times. Most excellent.

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    Baud says:

    @GregB:

    Only the best traitors, batterers, assaulters, Nazis, fascists, goons, thugs, malcontents, grifters, tramps and thieves.

    Grading on a curve there.

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    lgerard says:

    I see the name Mark meadows being floated as Kelly’s replacement

    What a disaster that will be!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    Sending good vibes for you and Mr. DAW! 💫✨

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    I appreciate all the sympathy, but you can stop if you want. This could drag on.

    I’ve crossed it off my to-do list. Thanks.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @MJS:

    Was this a setting where our worthless press could have asked follow-up questions? If so, a couple of suggestions:

    1. Do you believe Porter when he says he’s innocent?
    2. (When Trump answers with his typical, “Who knows?”) Do you believe the women are lying?

    I would think

    3. “You know bro how chicks are Mr President, so do think those two woman were filled with so much spite they deliberately struck themselves in a face with a baseball bat to fake their injuries Mr President?”

    Would be right kind of question to ask Trump.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    Just read an article that is so horrifying it makes everyone in the White House look like church ladies. Including Donny Dollhands.
    *shudder*
    We need to get serious about taking out the monsters permanently and protecting the vulnerable.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @Mary G:

    Yeah, that would be my guess.

    Anyone know if Brand’s position requires Senate approval?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: Baud, Baud. shaking my head and chuckling all at the same time.

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    jl says:

    @mai naem mobile: finishing crossword puzzle will take too long. Hair needs constant washing. My dog/cat/wife/kid has fleas…. I have fleas. In long term treatment for ‘cooties’ and will be too tired. With global warming, planning the rose pruning is top priority… looking for my lost mustard…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @lgerard: Meadows can’t cause anymore disruption or chaos in the WH than he does as head of the Dumbass Caucasians in the House. And do we think he’s really anymore bigoted or trash than J Kelly?

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    JPL says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Well I’m still going to let you know, that you are in my thoughts. Waiting sucks!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I just upgraded to iOS 11 and now I don’t get a keyboard when I hit the “link” button. I did get new emojis to express how I feel about it, though. 🤬

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    Baud says:

    @VeniceRiley:

    Just read an article that is so horrifying it makes everyone in the White House look like church ladies. Including Donny Dollhands.
    *shudder*
    We need to get serious about taking out the monsters permanently and protecting the vulnerable.

    What did Hillary do now?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Baud:
    It’s the hiring position description for the attack on Rock Ridge.

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    PPCLI says:

    @germy: Fox and the RNC acted as if Roger Ailes had nothing to do with them, and apparently convinced the supine media. An executive VP is nothing compared to that.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Baud:
    Still (checks) a woman and (checks) a Clinton. Yup, guilty!

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    Baud says:

    @trollhattan: Admit it. You wish Hedley were president. We all do.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Mary G:

    We’ll have MPs shooting down ICE agents?

    Military bases are pretty much their own world and more so when things like nuclear weapons are involved, so that’s not impossible.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I would like to never again have to see a photograph of General Kelly in a tux. There is something particularly creepy about him in those photos – maybe it’s because I can see how much he would like to be the real president instead of the shadow president.

    *As I was typing that, I realized he reminds me of the evil, creepy megalomaniac pulling all the strings behind the scenes in the movie Dave. Frank Langella. (I love that movie, it’s like Overboard, I don’t care how many times I’ve seen it, I could watch it again.)

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    lamh36 says:

    Reports were that Kelly offered to resign. But don’t we all believer that John Kelly reallydoes not think he’s done anything wrong…so why would he offer to resign…besides, report also say Chump blames Hope Hicks more than Kelly

    NBC News

    @NBCNews
    JUST IN:@KellyO: “Gen. Kelly, did you offer to resign?”

    Chief of Staff Kelly: No.”@KellyO: “But there are reports you did. “

    Kelly: “I just said no.”

    4:49 PM – Feb 9, 2018

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    That’s Soapdish for me (and Dave). It was on again the other night and we ended up watching it to the end.

    “One more date, and we would have had a Greek tragedy on our hands.”

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: I am laughing because your consolation prize of emojis came through as an outline of a box.

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    p.a. says:

    @Mnemosyne: welcome to the club. gotta hit ‘paste’ then delete the superfluous ‘http’. 🤪 think this one’s new too.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: This is just one more example of them playing games with the truth by using particular words. The stories I read said “he would be willing to resign”, which is different than offering to resign.

    Kinda like the difference between “will you marry me?” and “If I asked you to marry me, what would you say?”

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    @Steeplejack: yep that’s on the list to fix. I’ll try removing some of the key words. Their inclusion now is more artifact from when anti-spam services for comments didn’t work well. Should there be a surge of such targeted spam, I’ll undo that change but I’m pretty sure that removing he keywords will make folks’ lives a bit better, so it should be all-win.

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    p.a. says:

    @WaterGirl:

    real president instead of the shadow president.

    Kelly channelling Haig.

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    PPCLI says:

    He also, as you probably know, says he’s innocent, and I think you have to remember that. He said very strongly yesterday that he’s innocent, so you have to talk to him about that

    I think I might scream if I hear this one more time.

    To all journalists, commentators, and people who just repeat this stuff uncritically: PLEASE NOTE:
    Saying that “He denies it” does not make things better, or even one micron less bad. It makes it WORSE. Next time you write a story about how Trump feels he’s OK because “he denies it” [Ahem, there are dozens of credible accusations], or Sanders says Wynn is less culpable because he denies the charges [Ahem: he settled a case for 7.5 million, which is admitting it in my book], or this Porter psycho denies the charges [Ahem: There are photos of a horrifying black eye, and Porter admits that he — or rather, his rogue vase — caused them], point out DENYING IT AND CLAIMING THAT THE ACCUSERS ARE LIARS MAKES IT WORSE. MUCH WORSE. SO STOP GIVING THESE MONSTERS A FUCKING PASS ON THAT.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Waratah: If you mean Brand, I don’t know what she would have to say to Mueller about anything.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Heh. It was the angry face with a censored box over its mouth, so … same thing?

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: I would rather someone ask why he lied about Congresswoman Wilson. At some point there needs to be consequences.

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    If Kelly resigns, I hear that Moore is available.

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    trnc says:

    @Lee: If I understand correctly, the guy who tongue bathed Porter on his way out the door is complaining that Hicks said nice things about Porter.

    Having said that, if Hicks’ WH gig is in danger for trying to gloss over the actions of a fellow WH asshat, I’m totally fine with that. I hope every one of them get a chance to think about what happens when they prostrate themselves for DT.

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    Princess says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I haven’t spoken up before, so I will now. I have been thinking of the two of you a lot and I’ll continue. I appreciate you keeping us posted about what is going on.

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    Shalimar says:

    @WaterGirl: I think “lot less clean” means it includes more actual classified intelligence necessary to explain Devin’s embarrassment.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: Seems kind of cruel to me – you’re picking the angry face for a reason, and all you get is the outline of a box. I haven’t upgraded to iOS 11 yet, think I’ll wait. :-)

    I don’t think I’ve seen SoapDish, but it’s high praise if it deserves to be in the company of Dave and Overboard.

    @p.a.: Yep! Exactly.

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    Brachiator says:

    @germy:

    Unless it’s changed overnight, the motto of the Olympics, since 1894, has been “Faster, Higher, Stronger.” It appears the U.S. Olympic Committee would like to change that to “Darker, Gayer, Different.” If your goal is to win medals, that won’t work.

    John Moody, Fox News’ executive vice president

    Someone should arrange a double feature of “The Black Panther” and “Call Me By Your Name,” and send Trump and this fool invitations.

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    lgerard says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Meadows can’t cause anymore disruption or chaos in the WH than he does as head of the Dumbass Caucasians in the House. And do we think he’s really anymore bigoted or trash than J Kelly?

    Hold his Gadsden Flag……..

    Fittingly, he has his own sexual abuse issues, covering up for his chief of staff who is under investigation by the ethics committee

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Shalimar:

    I think “lot less clean” means it includes more actual classified intelligence necessary to explain Devin’s embarrassment.

    It means it contains actual facts.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Corner Stone:
    And their taste in CoS is I’m sure as bad as their taste in drapes and sofas.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    He’s right, you know. It’s a long to-do list. Those emotional support hamsters aren’t gonna flush themselves.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Kevin Kline and Sally Field chew the scenery as soap opera stars, with support from Whoopi Goldberg, Elisabeth Shue, Robert Downey Jr, Garry Marshall, and Cathy Moriarty, among many others who were not big names at the time. If you don’t love it, I will be shocked.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @VeniceRiley:

    Just read an article that is so horrifying it makes everyone in the White House look like church ladies. Including Donny Dollhands.
    *shudder*
    We need to get serious about taking out the monsters permanently and protecting the vulnerable.

    Are you suggesting a team of B-J vigilantes to dole out street justice to lowlifes? I’m in!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Ha ha. But oh my god, that story was so appalling.

    Baud, if flushing your emotional support hamster is on your list, you take it off your list, right now!

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    Ruckus says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Ahhmm.

    “Everything Trump touches turns to shit. No exceptions.”

    I believe that was mine. Just for the record. I will acknowledge though that it’s such an easy true statement to make that others might have also said it. It’s like learning to say hello, what english speaking person doesn’t know that?

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    Yutsano says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Only if he brings the tacky outfits and the peashooter.

    @Mnemosyne: The way Sally Field just channels Susan Lucci is…masterful in that movie. IIRC they actually became friends afterwards.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Yutsano: And the horse.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Baud, DO NOT FLUSH.

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    @schrodingers_cat:

    If Kelly resigns, I hear that Moore is available.

    Roger would never do it, he’s much too smart.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Nothing in this maladministration is normal, drumpf could/would just tell one of the janitors to fire him and never have to hear another word about the entire thing, that thing of course would then never have happened.

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    debbie says:

    Man raped his second wife. Of course he’s sympathetic to Porter. Of course he shows no empathy for the ex-wives. He never has.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Alain the site fixer:

    You could fix ambience/​ambient while you’re at it. That’s another one that gets people occasionally.

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    debbie says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    Don’t care if it’s redundant, I’m sending good thoughts for you and Mr. DAW/IOL.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Also too, Roger More died a short whIle back.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Pence vs North Koreans on Good Publicity in the Olympics.

    Sadly, gonna have to give the gold, silver and bronze to North Korea.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Ivanka doesn’t have time for a job like that – 50 or 60 hours a week, no Sabbath off unless Daddy is in Mar-a-Lago. Leave alone whether she’s capable of being organized on that level.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Steeplejack: Man, just because you have a pill popping problem doesn’t mean you gotta drag the whole blog down.

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    japa21 says:

    Here’s the question I would like to see someone ask Kelly:

    General Kelly, people have been saying that your action and words indicate you are just as racist and bigoted as President Trump. How do you respond to those accusations?

    If he argues that he isn’t he is admitting that the President is indeed a racist and bigot. If he tries to say the President isn’t, he will be a laughing stock, because everyone knows the President is. If he tries to deflect by talking about his time in the Marines to show he isn’t bigoted, the interviewer just has to say, “That was then, we’re talking about now.”

    There really is no good answer for him to make due to the inclusion of the President in the question.

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    Uncle Omar says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Also Sheriff Arpaio. And Sheriff Clark.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    I plugged Drumpf’s comment into software that assesses reading development. It determined the “statement” to be on a 4th grade reading level.

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    @mai naem mobile: That was Roger Moore, British actor. Have you met Roger Moore*, Balloon Juice commenter?

    *I sat next to him two weeks ago, he seemed rather lively.

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    Ruckus says:

    @mai naem mobile:
    Must be a pretty short while, I saw Roger on here last night.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    Must have been really short, we just saw him at the LA meetup a couple of weeks ago. 😜

    And, yes, that is the commenter’s actual name, poor guy.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @mai naem mobile: then he would definitely be better than kelly!

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    Corner Stone says:

    Ari Melber is murdering Tom Perez on his show right now.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Suffragette City: Notable as she would replace Rosenstein should he be forced out. Wheels are turning.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Ari Melber is murdering Tom Perez on his show right now.

    Instrument of death?

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @WaterGirl: “I mean, the Nunes memo didn’t need redactions because there was no truthful information in it.”

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    J R in WV says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    It’s because Cialis – the well known pill for male pattern problems is embedded in the word Specialist, and that med is famous for being in spam, which FYWP tries very hard to eliminate from the platform.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @TenguPhule: Fatally stumbling hypocrisy.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Corner Stone: About what?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Corner Stone: Melber was obnoxious and Perez was dithering– why does that man go on TV? Watching that exchange the proverbial Martian would never know Republicans were running Congress.
    ETA: and why the hell did Perez keep talking about “the Tea Party”. Nobody’s seen a “Tea Party” sign in five years. Talk about the far right nativists, call Steve King a racist

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MisterForkbeard: The budget deal and DACA promises. It’s really a fucking mess and Perez was doing politician and got caught crossways a number of times. Ari didn’t make it easy for him.

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    Mary G says:

    @Yutsano: I also love Whoopi Goldberg as the head writer. We can’t bring back that character ! He was decapitated! He doesn’t have a head!

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    debbie says:

    @MisterForkbeard:

    It didn’t need redaction because Trump wrote it.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I agree Melber didn’t put enough blame on R’s. But Perez was a jokehole in his responses. He really had no place to stand on this so I am not sure why he agreed to the appearance.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @p.a.: You don’t have to delete it. Click on it to highlight it in the box before you paste in your link and that default https will be overwritten.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Corner Stone: I thought he would make a good chair because of his track record as a committed activist and an administrator, but he clearly wants to be a TV pundit, and he’s just awful.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Roger would never do it, he’s much too smart.

    I would do it if Mueller’s office asked me to do it while wearing a wire.

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    @Steeplejack: check.

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Not the one on the left coast, the one South Carolina.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Alabammy

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I did think about the commenter but assumed you were talking about the actor. Either would be better than Kelly.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Couldn’t happen to a nicer psychopath.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Uncle Omar: Sherriff Lobo?

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    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion says:

    @germy: awwww, fuck. This is how the Nazis consolidated their power in prewar Germany: sympathetic police who shared their views and looked the other way or actively colluded with gangs of violent fascists. Sometimes I wonder if we will survive this period as a nation. Sometimes I wonder if we deserve to.

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    Aleta says:

    @Mary G: “Not long ago, he served as a character witness for a former marine who was accused of sexual misconduct against female subordinates.”

    I’ve read and listened to more than a hundred first person accounts from women and men in the military whose COs and higher ups lied or blocked justice, letting the same rapists go on to reoffend. For the longest time, the military got away with claiming the problem was women, and that the problem was part of our culture, and that you can’t change a problem that comes from society.

    “Nothing we can do about it,” said commanders like Kelly, all the while interfering with the system to prevent justice and change. Then they punished the person who brought the charge, to make sure of it. Those biased guys and their prejudice are hopefully on the way out, thanks to effort by women officers + many others.

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