By Request: NANCY SMASH!


I was gonna wait to see how it turned out, but yeah, Pelosi deserves the spotlight…

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi took the rare step Wednesday of giving a marathon speech supporting Democrats’ attempts to legalize the status of young immigrant “dreamers,” in a bid to pressure Republicans to act.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) began talking shortly after 10 a.m., using her right as minority leader to speak for as long as she wants. She began by saying that she would lead opposition to a broad two-year budget agreement that includes several Democratic priorities but does not address immigration — the topic that has prolonged the spending debate for several months.

“I have no intention of yielding back,” Pelosi said at 3:41 p.m. Eastern as she neared the six-hour mark of her ongoing remarks.

The hope is that Pelosi and Democrats — whose support is often needed to pass spending bills in the face of opposition from fiscal conservatives — can pressure House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) to hold votes on immigration legislation, as the Senate is poised to begin doing next week.

“Why should we in the House be treated in such a humiliating way when the Republican Senate leader has given that opportunity in a bipartisan way to his membership? What’s wrong? There’s something wrong with this picture,” Pelosi said.

Pelosi, 77, peppered her speech with anecdotes about people protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and mentioned the biblical tale of the Good Samaritan…

At least six floor aides and 18 Democratic lawmakers sat around her, including Reps. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) and Jamie Raskin (D-Md.). But most sat skimming their phones or reading documents. One aide kept slipping her fresh pages with more stories to tell about dreamers affected by the ongoing impasse.

On the other side of the chamber sat only Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.) and two aides, seemingly waiting to seize the floor and begin debate on a home mortgage bill scheduled to be voted on later Wednesday…

Of course (*sigh*) it wouldn’t be a Democratic landmark without some two-bit opportunist trying to grab some attention…

157 replies
  1. 1
    Yutsano says:

    I’m gonna keep saying it.

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    trollhattan says:

    I’ll bet she didn’t need to turn to Dr. Seuss even once–take that, lyin’ Ted!

    Thanks once again, Nancy SMASH! A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Nice clip. I liked hearing her laugh like that. She is probably so tired that she is punchy.

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    WaterGirl says:

    No water, no executive time. Wow, I hope that one leaves a mark.

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    lamh36 says:

    2m2 minutes ago
    Nancy Pelosi received a standing ovation from Democrats after speaking for more than 8 hours about the DACA program, setting the record for the longest speech on the House floor

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    WaterGirl says:

    On the other side of the chamber sat only Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.) and two aides, seemingly waiting to seize the floor and begin debate on a home mortgage bill scheduled to be voted on later Wednesday…

    Those fuckers. Total disrespect.

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    JPL says:

    They should make an ad with clips of her on the floor, and say I’m the real Nancy Pelosi and I’m not running for this congressional seat. If the assholes don’t think that we are one America, then fkem.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    I’m glad she did this. We need to fight for immigrants. The fact that Trump has decided to demonize them is outrageous. We can have strong borders and fair immigration at the same time.

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    Fair Economist says:

    I was listening for the last 2 hours. Not only was it physically impressive, it was good speechifying as well. She was sliding back and forth adeptly between the stories and what they meant. It’s hard enough to speak that long, and to speak well too is even more impressive.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    “The reality is that the filibuster is only being done to cater to the left-wing of the party at the expense of the larger caucus, and it’s in the interest of one person: Leader Pelosi.”

    Alternatively substitute ‘California, where 23 Republicans will be fighting for re-election in a state Clinton carried by 31 points’ for ‘the left-wing of the party’.

    You can take the House in 2018 with California, or you can lose. Choose one. California is not going to back down.

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    Chyron HR says:

    “The only thing that can stop the nazis from ethnically purging the country is staying home on election day and letting them consolidate their control.” – DSA

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    jharp says:

    Damn, what an extraordinary lady. We are lucky to have her leadership.

    And Donald Trump isn’t fit to shine her fucking shoes.

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    @JPL: Sounds like you’ve been hanging with efg a bit too much.

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    Another Scott says:

    Well done, once and future Speaker. Well done.


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    WaterGirl says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Dreamers have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with border security.or gangs. That they are putting those together as if they are the same issue is absolutely wrong and an insult to our intelligence.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @lamh36: Now I feel like I jinxed her! (even though I’m sure Nancy Smash had this all gamed out in advance)

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    Marcopolo says:

    Pelosi was reading letters from Dreamers to I think D congressmen talking about their hopes & “dreams” and what they were doing everyday in their communities all across the US to make them reality. It was great to listen to them as they laid out their very American sounding aspirations. Although there does not seem to be a path to legalizing them that doesn’t require the agreement of Ryan to hold an open vote in the House, I am working my @ss off over the next 9+ months to make sure Ryan doesn’t have that power in 2019.

    And thanks for this thread AL.

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    Roger Moore says:


    I’ll bet she didn’t need to turn to Dr. Seuss even once–take that, lyin’ Ted!

    If she had, I bet she would have picked one whose moral supported her point rather than contradicting it. I still can’t believe Ted Cruz doesn’t understand the moral of Green Eggs and Ham.

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    Baud says:

    I am ashamed to not be more like her.

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    Baud says:

    @Chyron HR: It worked in 2016.

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    cain says:

    It just shows what great quality of politicians we have in the Democratic caucus. We have great Americans and we are being called traitors.

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    TenguPhule says:


    I am ashamed to not be more like her.

    Transgender Baud?

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    TenguPhule says:


    It worked in 2016.

    To be fair, we haven’t been purged. Yet. /S

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    debbie says:

    Have the haters arrived yet, or can I say that Nancy Pelosi IS the leader of the party without fear of getting some man- or youngsplaining?

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    lamh36 says:

    @Anne Laurie: yeah…I’m thinking she wanted to make it in time for the national nightly news

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    🌷 Martin says:

    Understand too, that there are more registered DACA individuals in California than there are voters in Wyoming. This is not a small issue here. We view the lack of action on DACA as a direct affront to the state.

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    Emma says:

    I want to find that snake of a Dem aide and do serious damage to his shinbones.

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    cain says:

    She was always the leader of the party. She was the one who made Obama successful in implementing his legislative agenda.

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    Fair Economist says:

    To repeat from the previous thread, to give even one minute to talk about every Dreamer would take talking 24 hours nonstop for 1 and half years.

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    patroclus says:

    @trollhattan: Nah, she turned to the Gospel of Matthew. The part about sheltering the homeless, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick..

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    rikyrah says:

    Go Nancy Smash 😄😄😄

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @TenguPhule: Elected Official Baud.

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    TenguPhule says:


    The part about sheltering the homeless, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick..

    Heresy. Burn the witch. The god will know who is good by how much money they possess. Amen. /S

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    rikyrah says:

    @🌷 Martin:
    Good for California.
    Wipe them out
    All of them 😠

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    TenguPhule says:

    @MisterForkbeard: But Paul Ryan is also an elected official and he looks terrible in a dress. Surely Baud can do better.

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    debbie says:


    Tell that to Tim Ryan.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Heather Caygle @ heatherscope
    As Pelosi enters hour four of DACA filibuster, Dem aide aligned with House mods emails me:

    “The reality is that the filibuster is only being done to cater to the left-wing of the party at the expense of the larger caucus, and it’s in the interest of one person: Leader Pelosi.”

    what’s the moderates theory of the game?

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    I kind of want to dig up some of my friends’ ancient (six months or so) posts on how we need to replace her with leaders that care about immigrants, screenshot them, and tag them on Facebook.

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    Immanentize says:

    @🌷 Martin: What are you talking about? By definition, dreamers are not citizens and cannot vote. In fact one of their mottos is “We cannot vote, but we have a voice.”. So please.explain?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    what’s the moderates theory of the game?

    The only winning move is not to play. //

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    magurakurin says:

    and one should always remember, the Wilmer cult hates Nancy Pelosi. They are not allies.

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    MomSense says:


    Word. She’s a champion.

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    hueyplong says:

    Why does Heather give voice to a “Dem aide” afraid to identify himself while slagging the leader?

    The reality is that the Dem aide should go perform seemingly impossible acts of self gratification.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I think I’m going to leave Tim Ryan’s bubble blank this time around.

    Last year, after one of the healthcare deform votes, I called his office to thank him for his vote and the person who answered the phone was totally uninterested in what I had to say. Sounded annoyed.

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    JPL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Great minds and all that.

    @lamh36: She did on CBS, and then Porter.

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    kindness says:

    Nancy is the AWESOME!

    I can’t believe how often I have to go on FB and tell my purity troll liberal friends from the East Coast that Nancy isn’t the devil incarnate and defend Nancy to their stupid asses. And yes, those are all the Bernie faction friends of mine. Many of them I just unfollowed because it wasted my time.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Nah, she’s faking it. Just like Hillary!

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    Immanentize says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: someone should run against him just for his “Dago red wine” comment. That one still chaps me.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Shorter Ross Douhat at FYNYT, “Trump can be tamed and compelled to do our bidding. Take note, fainthearted Republicans tempted to vote Democratic.”

    He’s destined for a tumbrel ride no matter which side wins this.

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    Gretchen says:

    Arrgghh! Chuck Todd led a panel asking what the Democratic Party could do about its “Nancy Pelosi problem”. Which I gather is that only the lefties care about DACA. He interviewed a Dem from a swing Illinois district about whether this won’t make it harder if she has a challenger. She said duh, she always has a challenger, and her district wants someone who will fight for them. Stephanie Cutter did a pretty good job. Todd says why aren’t the other Dems supporting Pelosi. Cutter, duh, look at the pictures you are showing, the entire caucus is sitting behind her clapping. Where is Schumer? Duh, Schumer is pushing the same thing in the Senate. Why is this man on my tv, and why does my husband have it on?

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    magurakurin says:

    @kindness: the grip of Vermont Jesus is strong.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @debbie: let me explain to you the problem with Pelosi: she is minority leader when she should be speaker

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Steve in the ATL: But that’s America’s fault, not hers.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Someone who’s planning on retiring should just go on Todd’s stupid show and humiliate him. Who cares at that point if they aren’t invited back? That red headed twerp needs to get a beat down.

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    debbie says:

    Not her fault. If voters don’t fuck it up, she will be Speaker…again.

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    MomSense says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Don’t bother. The people that say that nonsense are not allies and they will not be there fighting with us when it counts.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I heard something about that. What was it about?

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    lamh36 says:

    @Gretchen: I’d heard that La Blade (Stephanie Cutter’s nickname during the Obama campaigns for he ability to slice folks like Chuckles and the other punditry as an PBO spokesperson) tried to set Chuck straight…I saw the beginning when he opened w/his bullshit “Pelosi problem” and promptly turned it off..

    Was Chuckles at least chagrined?

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    trollhattan says:

    Tell me you wouldn’t kill to hear Nancy SMASH tell Deadbeat Donny to go fetch his shine box.

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    Mike R says:

    @lamh36: Chuckles is too stupid to know if he gets sliced and diced. The man is an absolute waste of time.

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    trollhattan says:

    The part missing from Republican Bibles? Nicely played.

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    oldgold says:

    Have any of you been following the special House election in Pennsylvania’s 18th congressional district scheduled for March 13?

  64. 64
    Roger Moore says:

    Didn’t you know that the red words in the Bible are colored that way to show they’re optional?

  65. 65
    Aleta says:

    Alison Barkoff‏ 
    The #ADA is under attack. The House may vote as early as next week on a bill that guts the protections of the ADA and takes away the rights of people with disabilities. Call your Rep and tell them to #VoteNo to H.R. 620.

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    @trollhattan: Right that’s the Commie Jesus, you know like in the King James version.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That sounds like an excellent project for a wednesday evening. :-)

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    @Roger Moore: And who uses red as their color? Commies and Republicans.

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    magurakurin says:

    @trollhattan: I second the sentiment fully, but I’d rather see Nancy give Cadet Bones Spurs this speech: “I think all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do…”

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    Baud says:

    Olympic curling has already started. USA is playing Russian athletes (Russia was banned). I wonder which team Trump is rooting for.

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    @Baud: Whoever is paying the most.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: So the Russians then.

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    TenguPhule says:


    I wonder which team Trump is rooting for.

    Whichever one buys his branded crap. SATSQ.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    Speaking for 8 hours is great. Just really great. Mad props to her.

    So when is the DACA vote now?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    No, but it’s being described as a bellwether for some reason.

    Supreme Court Pass Means Pennsylvania Must Redraw Congressional Maps In 10 Days

    This is good news for that special election though.

    Democrats had already been eyeing the Philadelphia suburbs as a prime target for picking up Republican-held congressional seats this fall. The ruling — and the new maps that will follow — will boost Democrats’ efforts.

    “I think a fair map in Pennsylvania can give Democrats an opportunity to win up to five seats in Pennsylvania,” Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez told NPR last week.

    Democrats have pointed to several of the long, thin districts drawn on the eastern edge of the state as prime examples of lines drawn to maximize the number of Republican-held seats. The state is currently represented by 12 Republicans and five Democrats in the House, with one empty seat that was formerly held by a Republican.

    Of course, the asshole Republicans quoted in the article have sour grapes over it:

    The map passed with bipartisan support in 2011. Republican leaders in Pennsylvania’s General Assembly have decried the state court ruling as partisan and have refused to provide the court with map-drawing data requested by the judges.

    “We still do not believe that there was a violation of the state Constitution, that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court can direct us to draw a new congressional map, or that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has the authority to draw a new Congressional District Map under the Pennsylvania Constitution or United States Constitution,” state Senate President Pro Tempore Joe Scarnati said in a statement.

    State Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman conceded the 2011 maps were drawn with politics partly in mind but argued that’s perfectly valid. The U.S. Supreme Court, the Republican said, has repeatedly ruled that state legislatures have the right to draw district lines.

    “Obviously the Legislature is a political body. We have Republicans and we have Democrats. It’s a political body by definition,” he told NPR. “So they’ve put that in the hands of a political body to make decisions. If you look at maps in Illinois, you look at maps in Maryland, I think you’ll see maps that have interesting lines as well, that favor [Democrats]. Because they were in control. But the Supreme Court has time and time, and federal courts have time and time, ruled that that is allowed.”

    A federal court recently upheld Pennsylvania’s congressional districts. The U.S. Supreme Court is currently considering two cases that test whether extreme partisan gerrymandering is unconstitutional. One case tests state legislative district lines drawn in Wisconsin, while the second looks at a congressional district in Maryland. The court is expected to rule by June.

    But Pennsylvania’s ruling was based on the state, not federal, Constitution, and Justice Samuel Alito declined to interfere.

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    Baud says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: As soon as Bernie makes McConnell look out his window.

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    @Baud: Yup, but it’s curling; so I’m looking to the US to make a clean sweep.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Emma: Aim higher, and more centrally located.

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    Emma says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: @Amaranthine RBG: Why don’t you tell us how the Democrats, who are in the minority in both the House and the Senate can push the vote through?

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    Gravenstone says:

    @rikyrah: Uhoh, I think VDE is having a bad influence on you.

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    Emma says:

    @Gravenstone: Let me get my slugger.

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    TS says:

    @magurakurin: Paul Ryan is the one who has earned that speech

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    WaterGirl says:

    Anybody here remember the crazy, abusive CEO of the non-profit I did the books for during the first half of 2017? Well, I got my 1099 from the organization last week, and the amount is wrong by 23,000. So I have spent the last few days trying to reach her.

    Office phone: disconnected.
    Office phone for the big grant in Chicago: disconnected.
    Checked the number on the 1099: same as office phone that has been disconnected.
    Checked Facebook page: phone number no longer listed.
    Called the board president: “I am not longer on the board”.
    Called the internal auditor who worked with them: “I haven’t heard from her.”
    Went by the new office (they were moving the week that I left): sign is still up, door locked, no one there during business hours.
    Called her cell phone (which I had been avoiding): number has been changed or is disconnected.

    Wondering if some interesting practices finally caught up with her. Inquiring minds want to know!

    I don’t want to show a 23k difference on my 1099 and what I am reporting for income from her, seems like that would raise red flags with the IRS? I will be showing the income of 23k more than her 1099 will show, so at least I won’t be claiming less.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @WaterGirl: You may want to consider contacting the IRS about this. And be prepared to serve as a witness against her for tax fraud.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: Apparently that all starts next week under the current budget agreement.

    But alternately, I’d love to see you offer some constructive advice. How exactly do you make the Republicans vote on something they don’t want to vote on, in a way which won’t damage the midterms or commit the Dems to incredibly irresponsible acts?

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    burnspbesq says:


    One of the only good things about climate change is that there are plenty of ice floes on which we can maroon the Wilmer Cult. And if those ice floes happen to be occupied by desperately hungry polar bears … well, shit happens.

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    Gretchen says:

    @lamh36: nope. Todd is shameless.

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    @WaterGirl: my actual project is cannabis and cartooning which seems like a much better use of everyone’s time. You know the old saying about teaching a pig to whistle.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Honestly, I would talk to a tax and/or labor lawyer and get their advice. You don’t want to accidentally abet whatever the hell she did.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Sounds WAY more healthy than Facebook 😀

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    Kathleen says:

    @lamh36: The word “chagrined” is not in Chuckles’ vocabulary. Too much nuance.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: I actually did talk to my tax accountant last summer and he checked with people he said would know better than he would and the answer was that I would not be in jeopardy.

    When she would tell me to charge Grant B for an expense she had incurred for Grant A, but had been disallowed by that grant, I would explain why/how that would not work.

    After I left, I had also emailed the contact for two other major grants and had let her know that I left but that I would make myself available if they ever had any questions. I had consulted a couple of people to see if they thought I had an obligation to let anyone know about the situation, and the answer was always “no”, so I felt that I had said what I could in that email without going out of my way to accuse her of anything improper.

    What I’m mostly worried about is the tax side and the complete mismatch of reported income by me vs. the 1099 from her.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    Maybe a 9 hour filibuster in the house?

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    Amaranthine RBG says:


    Cool, looking forward to the vote.

    I am sure that Pelosi’s record-breaking filibuster has the Republicans looking over their shoulders now!

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Shouldn’t you be out boycotting Marvel Studios for failing to dedicate Black Panther to the REAL leader of the civil rights movement, Mr. Bernard S. of Burlington, VT?

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    Gvg says:

    @TenguPhule: I would write down each time dare you tried to contact her. Take a pic of the closed business front etc. not sure what is next but write it down.

    I had a resteraunts owner skip town on me 30 years ago and I never got my w-2. I used my last pay stub and wrote an explanation. Of course I was small potatoes and I had years of prior income tax returns with similar totals. New owner bought the business and ran it into the ground. I saw customers being put off and found a new job/went back to school. Co workers told me he just stopped showing up and locked the store. Old owner took back the store because he stopped paying on the buyout and it recovered after awhile but returning owner couldn’t do w-2s for period he wasn’t there. I think the IRS must have seen it all though.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Amaranthine RBG:
    You’re such a smarmy fucking asshole. It’s supposed to show solidarity with Dreamers, hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings who work and live here in America. Literally no one else is advocating for them.

    I wish I could deport you.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @WaterGirl: I agree, it is probably time for an attorney. Or, since you did nothing wrong, maybe checking with the IRS first, asking them what to do?

    The IRS has been quite responsive and helpful to us — a couple of years ago, Ohio Dad had his identity stolen, and the the thief tried to get a tax refund with it.

    I am sure yours is not the first instance where someone tried pulling what your old boss is doing. The person you talk to will probably have a form and a form letter all ready to go.

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    debit says:

    @WaterGirl: Wait, she put 23,000 less on your 1099 than what you actually earned?

    If that’s the case, it’s her loss, literally. When/if she files the corporate return, that 23,000 will be pure profit and will be taxable. Weird.

    Talk to your tax accountant. I’d go ahead and report it just in case of an audit. You don’t need to have it on a 1099, there’s another form for reporting cash income s/he can use.

    Again, weird.

    Also, too: not a tax practitioner, I just work in a tax office, and, coincidentally, produce and file 1099s along with W2s.

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    efgoldman says:


    can I say that Nancy Pelosi IS the leader of the party without fear of getting some man- or youngsplaining?

    Is it mansplaining (I am, after all. a male of the human species) to say ANYONE WHO WANTS HER OUT IS SENTENCED TO LISTEN TO WILMER SPEECHES OR A WEEK.
    Fucking purity pony assholes


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    Ohio Mom says:

    @WaterGirl: Also, please stop chasing her. You want to stay as far away as possible from her, especially since she has shown herself not just to be crazy and sbusive, but a criminal.

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    Roger Moore says:

    Yeah, the IRS is much more worried about underreporting income than overreporting. If you say you earned more than is reported on your 1099, they’re unlikely to ask too many questions.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @efgoldman: No that is not mansplaining, that is some TRUTH from Grandpa of Amazing Pixie…

    Thank you!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    But that wouldn’t be a punishment.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: I assume you mean for the people we’re talking about, since I’d tear off my own ears.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Kaitlan Collins‏Verified account
    @ kaitlancollins
    Senior White House officials became aware in detail about the allegations made against Rob Porter last fall, as his stock in the West Wing continued to rise.

    Last fall. When did Empty Barrel John Kelly declare that Frederica Wilson had caused women and religion to be no longer held sacred in this country? And that the Khans had forfeited their status as Gold Star Parents?

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    WaterGirl says:


    Wait, she put 23,000 less on your 1099 than what you actually earned?

    Yep. They listed 30,000 and it was really 53,000. I have no idea how they could have arrived at that number.

    I’ll definitely report the real income from her – part of me wonders if she’s evil enough to go with 30k in the hopes that I won’t report the real amount, and then when they file an amended 1096 I look like I’m cheating the IRS (which I would be doing if I didn’t report the real amount).

    You don’t need to have it on a 1099, there’s another form for reporting cash income s/he can use.

    I don’t do taxes – are you saying I don’t need to submit a1099 for my consulting income?

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    magurakurin says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    I wish I could deport you

    why would you want to deport them from Russia?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ohio Mom: I’m just trying to get a corrected 1099. To me, that seems like the right thing to do. I always try not to call attention to myself with the IRS. I mean, who wants an audit?

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    I have no idea how they could have arrived at that number.

    You gotta admit, it’s nice and round.

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    TenguPhule says:


    When/if she files the corporate return, that 23,000 will be pure profit and will be taxable. Weird.

    Assumes CEO didn’t diddle the internal books. A $23,000 1099 difference is almost certainly going to trigger at a minimum an automatic computer audit by the IRS and possibly Watergirl’s state tax agency when she reports the correct numbers.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore:

    If you say you earned more than is reported on your 1099, they’re unlikely to ask too many questions.

    Hearing that makes me happy.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @efgoldman: The only House D’s I’ve heard go after Pelosi are Ryan, Moulton and a younger woman from, I believe, Long Island?– who are all pretty much the “we need to stop worrying about race and reach out to white people” types. Other than Ellison, are there any Wilmerites in the House?

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    Emma says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: You are so impressively one of the Great People — you know, the cynics, the hipsters, the real leftists — you know, the ones who crap on the ones who are actually doing the work.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: In all truth, it was 30,392.50, I was rounding for ease of conversation. :-)

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Notice he completely ignored my question about what Dems should be doing instead. What a tool.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Roger Moore:

    If you say you earned more than is reported on your 1099, they’re unlikely to ask too many questions.

    The thing is she’s got to let them know, otherwise the computers might “correct” it when she files to the lower amount thanks to the damn automation of the filing system they have going now. They check and match against the official documents, i.e. the 1099 forms.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @debbie: Haters gonna hate, debbie. Haters gonna hate.

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    debit says:


    I don’t do taxes – are you saying I don’t need to submit a1099 for my consulting income?

    Not to report it, no. I can’t recall the name/number of the form, but it is possible to report additional income not listed on a 1099. Again, a tax person should be able to add it to your return without any issues.

    And you’re smart. I deal with a lot of businesses that come back after filing and decide that they really can’t live with that profit and would I amend some 1099s to show a higher income? I point out that these recipients will have already filed, have to amend and pay penalties and it’s a dick move. But since it’s not going to hurt them (the issuers) beyond a small penalty for filing late they kind of don’t care.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Seriously, talk to a tax lawyer, not just an accountant. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s trying to screw you in some way, so get a lawyer’s advice for how to prevent that from happening.

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    Nicole says:

    @WaterGirl: Since you’re reporting more income than what the 1099 shows, you should be fine. The IRS is concerned with folk underreporting income. Which you’re not doing.

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    afanasia says:

    I cried when I read this post – I’m so proud of her. My 13 year year old daughter rolled her eyes. At least she knows who Pelosi is.

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    debit says:

    @debit: Also, too, a lot of business don’t deal with 1099s. They pay/get paid off invoices. Could be your former employer is going to report the expense that way.

    At any rate, don’t let it fuss you. You’re doing exactly the right thing and have all your ducks in a row. You’re golden.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @Immanentize: The Dreamers, like other California immigrants, are part of our community, part of our polity. For Der Trumper to send in his Gestapo to take them away, is an attack against our people.

    I think that’s what Martin meant. Every Californian, every day, interacts with immigrants. With people who clearly learned English as a second language, with interesting names and interesting histories. And these people are *our* people. Attacking them is an attack against us all.

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    Sab says:

    @debbie: Tim Ryan has cleaned up his act on immigration. He was furious about the House folding on DACA on the last vote, and he is very publicly upset about a constituent with an American wife, four American children and a successful small business being deported.

    That guy referring to him is out of date.

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    oldgold says:

    Watergirl do this:

    1) Send certified letter to return address on the envelope the 1099 came to you in. Request the 1099 be corrected.

    2) Keep copy of letter and proof of certified mailing.

    3 Report 100% of the income you received on line 1 of Part I of Schedule C.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debit: Boy, that is a dick move! But if they can’t show they paid the increased amount to their consultants / contractors, wouldn’t they just get themselves into trouble with the IRS? I mean, if someone tried to claim they paid me more than they did, I would dispute it with the IRS. But then I actually track what I am paid. :-) Maybe they get by with it because some people have no idea and just use the number on the 1099?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debit: I did their 1099s last year :-) so I know that’s how they do it. But I could care less about them, sounds t me that her non-profit crashed and burned. I’m just worried about me! :-)

    edit: I wonder if a non-profit can declare bankruptcy?

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    Sab says:

    @Immanentize: I can’t believe I am defending Tim Ryan tonight, but I am. He was raised by an Italian American single mother he is very proud of. The comment was unfortunate, but certainly not intended as an ethnic slur.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Since you’re reporting more income than what the 1099 shows, you should be fine.

    Again, the short staffing and automation of the system can still screw this up. The IRS is relying more and more on auto correction by the computers via matching because they don’t have nearly enough manpower.

    So are state agencies, for that matter.

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    debit says:

    @WaterGirl: So, the majority of my clients are Somali and are in a particular business where subcontractors can and do negotiate what they’ll accept on a 1099. It’s a cultural thing and I don’t judge. The business owners care about what the rather tight knit community thinks of them, so they tend to give in to the sub’s rather than look bad. Until the tax bill hits. Then things can change.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Nicole: Interesting article, thanks!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debit: Oh, interesting. Very interesting!

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    debit says:


    I wonder if a non-profit can declare bankruptcy?

    Google says they can file Chapter 11 for reorganization, but can’t be forced in 7 by creditors. I do payroll for a few non profits, but they all seem to be doing okay, if a running a little lean these days.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:


    Oh no, you misunderstand. I am all in on Team Nancy. She really made a concrete contribution today.

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    gene108 says:


    Contact a front pager and see if they can put you in touch with Yutsano. He works for the IRS and maybe able to give some info on how the IRS will handle this.

    Otherwise contact the IRS and let them know income is under reported on your 1099, and the employer seems to have gone out of business, thus you cannot get a corrected 1099.

    The IRS isn’t going to have a problem, if you report more income, in my opinion.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Yawn. Misogynist troll is misogynist. Wake me when you come up with a new schtick.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    It wasn’t just virtue signaling- Nancy Smash made some real progress today!

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @Mnemosyne:oh look person who works for Disney while they employed Grab-ass Lassiter and continued to take on millions from their past association with Fun Uncle Harvey Weinstein is here to explain misogyny to folks

    Pull up a chair- there is just so much to learn.

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    Chip Daniels says:

    God bless Nancy Pelosi.

    That is all.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The only House D’s I’ve heard go after Pelosi are Ryan, Moulton….

    Even though I no longer live in MA, and i wouldn’t have been i his district anyway, Moulton disappoints me terribly. No check that. He just plain pisses me off.
    Anne Laurie, if you’re around, isn’t that your district?
    Time to build the wall – against Wilmer and all his acolytes.


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    WaterGirl says:

    @gene108: Good idea. I’ll look to catch up with him if I see him on a thread.

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    Aimai says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: im pie’ing you.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @efgoldman: from the couple of interviews I’ve heard and read, there’s not a lot of there there beyond a resume. I’m a dumb guy on the internet, just waiting for certification, but it seems to me if you want to win back the white working class, focus on the last two words. Pretty sure working people from all demographics like the social safety net and don’t want to work till their eighties so that Donnie Jr can inherit more. Assuming there’s any there there, also too.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    It must be nice to work in Sacramento where no legislators or lobbyists have ever sexually harassed anyone. What’s it like working among such paragons of manhood?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: Oh, look, asshole troll who routinely contributes nothing, absolutely nothing, of value to any discussion here ever, pops back up to sneer at and crap on women who do. In the process of crapping on women leaders who, again, accomplish far more for far more people in one fucking day than he ever has in his fucking life. Jesus Chicken-Fried Christ, you sad sack of fatberg – just shut up already. Not even your mother wants to hear anything you have to say.

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    @Aimai: I was going to express surprise that you hadn’t done so already, but… evidently I hadn’t already pied him on my desktop. Don’t know how I missed that. Fixed now. (I pied him months ago on my phone, of course.) Christ, what an asshole.

    I should probably just copy my phone’s pie filter list over to my desktop and my laptop. For some reason I seem to do about three times more browsing here on mobile, even though it’s way faster to post on a computer. This holds true even when I’m actually at home, and I have no explanation for why in most cases. I mean, “the dog wants attention and I can’t pet him while I’m using a computer” accounts for some of the time, but it isn’t all of it.

    Speaking of whom, the vets think the dog will get better. They gave him some medications that seem to be helping somewhat. He’s still sick, but overall, he seems to be in a better mood and to have more energy overall, and we’re hoping that, after the medication side effects wear off, he’ll be fine again.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    I have to admit, it makes me laugh to see the level of freakout caused by a mere woman-creature like myself actually knowing more about a topic than he does. It drives him up the wall every. single. time.

    Also, I will definitely be in Denver for the RWA conference in July — I did my registration and bought my plane ticket today since Southwest was having a sale.

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    Cowboy Diva says:

    @WaterGirl: Do you have records (invoices, billable hours, expenses, receipts, etc.) that match your numbers and not hers?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @WaterGirl: Report what you earned. Not all self-employment income is reported on 1099-MISCs. You are unlikely to have any issues.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Cowboy Diva: Yep. I have invoices with billable hours. Matched them up yesterday to deposits from that client in my business account. I’m confident that I can make my case if anything is questioned. I am just trying to avoid having to do that.

    @Omnes Omnibus: It would have been better if she hadn’t issued one at all than to issue one that was for a ridiculously inaccurate amount.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @WaterGirl: You are worrying too much. If you report income that is higher than your 1099-MISC reported income, the IRS computers will assume that you had other income from the self-employment that was invoiced not 1099ed. You will be fine. Think of it from the IRS’s POV. Why would they care about someone who reported more income than they knew about?

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    GregMulka says:

    You’re jib is cut in a manner I find most pleasing.

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