Attack of the Mutant Crayfishes! And Open Thread

Hobbyists in Europe imported an attractive and large marbled crayfish from the United States. Then the damn things mutated and became parthenogenic. The females lay fertile eggs. Buy one, and in no time you’ll have a hundred. They’ve escaped into the waterways. Nobody knows what to do about them.


Jim, foolish literalist, offered up a pretty good explanation of that video of the wind whipping Trump’s hair away from his bald spot(s).


And Zooey is waiting for the North Korean parade.



Open thread!

250 replies
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    cain says:

    Man, I saw the Nancy doing her thing trending on twitter. There seems to be a lot of deplorables who seem to very involved in berating her. Ridiculous crap.

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    Thor Heyerdahl says:

    Well since my post looks like it almost killed the last thread, let’s try it here.

    Saw this on Twitter about Trump’s dream weaver hair and thought of our blogmaster and Steve

    “He looks like a shaved cat’s ass.”

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    raven says:

    Peel the tail and suck the head, cher.

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    Yutsano says:

    Somewhat related: Senator Angus King comes through for his constituents.

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    Lapassionara says:

    In Louisiana, crayfish are a fabulous feast. Why would we not want as many as we can get?

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    Lapassionara says:

    @raven: what you said

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    dmsilev says:

    A colleague sends a primo example of nerd humor:
    “MIT has signs on the outside doors encouraging people to “Help MIT Conserve Energy.. Use the Revolving Doors”. I just saw that somebody wrote on the window next to the sticker in big black ink “Energy is Always Conserved!” “

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    So the entire city of Philly is shut down for this parade thingie tomorrow. It’s really amazing. I’m not exaggerating. It’s not just road closures during and around the parade route, it’s the entire rail and bus system, and every office, and the universities. From early morning to hours after the festivities are supposedly over. Drexel is issuing pre-emptive behavioral warnings to their student body about behavior and disciplinary actions. All normal business is pretty much suspended.

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    lamh36 says:

    Oh…so NOW Kelly is “shocked”, even though it’s alreay been reported that he was aware of the allegations/restraining order against Porter…

    Follow Follow @ElizLanders
    Here’s the new statement from the chief of staff, saying he was “shocked” by allegations against Rob Porter:

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    Ken says:

    @Lapassionara: Didn’t the Australians once say that about rabbit?

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    See, this is the sort of thing I was talking about when I said that the news these days seems like something you see in the background at the start of a movie.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Yutsano: OT, but someone suggested I ask you about this. Copied from the earlier thread:

    Anybody here remember the crazy, abusive CEO of the non-profit I did the books for during the first half of 2017? Well, I got my 1099 from the organization last week, and the amount is wrong by 23,000. So I have spent the last few days trying to reach her.

    Office phone: disconnected.
    Office phone for the big grant in Chicago: disconnected.
    Checked the number on the 1099: same as office phone that has been disconnected.
    Checked Facebook page: phone number no longer listed.
    Called the board president: “I am not longer on the board”.
    Called the internal auditor who worked with them: “I haven’t heard from her.”
    Went by the new office (they were moving the week that I left): sign is still up, door locked, no one there during business hours.
    Called her cell phone (which I had been avoiding): number has been changed or is disconnected.

    Wondering if some interesting practices finally caught up with her. Inquiring minds want to know!

    I don’t want to show a 23k difference on my 1099 and what I am reporting for income from her, seems like that would raise red flags with the IRS? I will be showing the income of 23k more than her 1099 will show, so at least I won’t be claiming less.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Ken: and your point is?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: I think what Kelly meant to say is that he’s shocked that anyone cares that his good friend is a serial wife beater.

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    Jay S says:

    @raven: I wasn’t aware hazardous crayfish removal was in her wheelhouse.@Lapassionara: Think tribles.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Yutsano: Makes you wonder why New England’s other independent Senator can’t do something useful.

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    Rex says:

    The article says that there are no wild populations of marbled crayfish in the US and posits that the mutation may have occurred in Europe, presumably from original slough crayfish.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Am I the only one here who is gross out at the idea of eating mutated food?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: It was a lovely city. Full of a rich history of several hundred years. It will be missed.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @lamh36: I am wondering if John Kelly is/was a child beater/child abuser and I’m still wondering if he’s boinking the DHS lady who couldn’t remember if Dolt45 had used the ‘shithole’ term.

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    Jay S says:

    @WaterGirl: The article pictured in the tweet says he is “shocked by the new allegations released today” I suspect it is the release that was shocking to him.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Oopsie:

    I’ll have more to say about this tomorrow.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Part of my street is pretty low-lying, abutting a sort of wetland. After heavy rains there is sometimes ponding or overflow on the street, so one time after a heavy rain I was walking the dog, and he found a crawfish/crayfish walking across the street. The dog wasn’t that interested; I was wondering where I could find the rest of the family. This is New England, not Louisiana, so I was a bit surprised.

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    jharp says:

    Nobody knows what to do about them.

    How about making crayfish Po boys?

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    Yutsano says:

    @WaterGirl: Put it on, check the income after May 6th (when IRS income statements come available) then check to see if it was filed with the wrong number. If it shows as the higher, go ahead and work with that but keep pursuing a correction, if it shows the correct amount or doesn’t show at all, file an amended return immediately. Hope that helps!

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    Another Scott says:

    @WaterGirl: Not Yutsy, but here’s something that might be helpful: Forbes:

    What happens if the issuer won’t cooperate? There’s no good answer. You’ll need to address this on your return. For example, you could show the $300,000 payment on your return (on line 21, or on a Schedule C), and then explain the $270,000 overstatement. You could do so in a statement or footnote by showing $30,000 on line 21, but adding “see statement.” The statement might say:

    Erroneous Form 1099-MISC $300,000
    Less error amount $270,000
    Net to line 21 $ 30,000

    Does this make your audit risk higher? It may, and that’s an argument for doing all you can to make sure the Form 1099 is correct in the first place. But you probably don’t have much choice. After all, you practically guarantee an audit if you merely report the $30,000 figure and don’t explain. In that event, the IRS will likely send you a notice asking for tax on the missing $270,000.

    Is there any other possibility? If you are really miffed you could try to sue the payor for issuing the erroneous Form 1099. However, most such lawsuits go nowhere and are expensive. And forget trying to bring the IRS into your dispute. Besides, you won’t have the suit concluded before the deadline for filing your tax return.

    I’m sure it happens quite frequently. Don’t panic. Do what you can with the paperwork you have, and have good records if you get asked to justify things.

    I was audited once. It wasn’t that big a deal in my case – the auditor was a reasonable, professional person.

    Good luck!


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    Mike in NC says:

    Back in the simpler times we’d go up to my older brother’s cabin in the woods of Conway, NH and feed the crayfish in the local stream. Now he’s got two ex-wives and a couple of kids who haven’t heard from him in years. Nor have we.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @WaterGirl: Natural organisms mutate all the time.

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    Jager says:

    I was at a management conference years ago. A bunch of us were drinking in the bar after the meetings. One of the managers wore the worst god damn toupee in the world, about an hour or two into the cocktails, somebody said, “Dave, go up to your room and take that fucking thing off your head, peel off the tape and come back down looking like a normal human being.” Old Dave looked hurt, got up and walked away. About an hour later he came back to the bar, bald with a fringe of hair over his ears and the back of his head. We all stood up and gave him a standing ovation. He never wore it again. He told me later his wife took a look at him when he got home and said, “It’s about time you grew up.” Better man then the shitgibbon, way better.

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    jonas says:

    The females lay fertile eggs. Buy one, and in no time you’ll have a hundred. They’ve escaped into the waterways. Nobody knows what to do about them.

    As a few folks have already pointed out, they need to check out some Cajun cookbooks. Them’s good eatin’.

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    moops says:

    From what I understand, this species of crayfish are not palatable. Just decorative. Also invasive. Whee!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Jay S: Then he said he still stands by all the good things he said about the guy earlier today AND that everyone deserves to defend their reputation. Or something like that. What a total piece of shit Kelly is. Talking out of both sides of his mouth in a single statement. He’s perfect for Trump.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Porter was a natural fit for this administration because he had two ex-wives who he verbally and physically abused. Remind you of anybody else?

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    El Caganer says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Fortunately, two places I really like – Oyster House in Center City and Barrel’s in South Philly – will both be open. Unfortunately, I’m in Florida.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mike in NC: Not ringing any bells.

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    lamh36 says:

    2h2 hours ago
    A retired general who served with COS Kelly in Iraq: “I don’t recognize Kelly.” On Kelly’s handling of Porter, “I don’t get it. As a former commander, he should know to distance himse

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’ll have more to say about this tomorrow.

    Something about how spousal/SO abuse in this crowd is practically endemic? And how it’s just a facet of their “abuser’s mentality”, top to bottom?

    Trumpov, Bannon, Porter, Lewandowski, who else? Scaramucci was close. The way Flynn talked about Hillary was close.

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    Ken says:

    @WaterGirl: Not really, since it’s all mutated when you think about it. I’m much more grossed out by the idea of eating crayfish, though not as much as Randall Munroe.

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    mad citizen says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Yes, I received an email from the PJM Interconnection (electric grid), which is out near Valley Forge, encouraging people not to come to a meeting there Thursday because of the 3 million people parade. I assume they are greasing every pole along the parade route?

    I recall the 2007 Indy Colts parade, it was pretty much a nonevent. Very cold and windy with weird vehicles repurposed for floats. There was a 40,000 person event in the indoor stadium, though.

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    WaterGirl says:


    Put it on, check the income after May 6th (when IRS income statements come available) then check to see if it was filed with the wrong number. If it shows as the higher, go ahead and work with that but keep pursuing a correction, if it shows the correct amount or doesn’t show at all, file an amended return immediately. Hope that helps!

    Only have of what you wrote sounded like english to me. :-) I do know what all the words mean, just not how to make sense of them as they are put together. Sorry for (apparently) being a dunce.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mike in NC: There used to be crayfish in the streams and creeks around the NoVA development I grew up in…we only ever caught and released them, though. When we weren’t busy building and then busting dams, or floating aircraft carrier models downstream and trying to take them out with bottle rockets.

    That actually sounds like a decent week-long summer camp business model…hmm…

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    JCJ says:


    Well, that is accurate.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m not a fan of genetically modified food, no. But I was thinking more of food that I think of as once having been “alive”. So while I’m not crazy about genetically modified corn, I’m disgusted at the idea of mutated beef. But maybe it’s just me.

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    PPCLI says:

    @lamh36: Meaning: “I was shocked that the b**ch had that black eye photo that made stonewalling impossible. Now I have to pretend like I think what Porter did is bad.”

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    @WaterGirl: not even talking GMO stuff. The kind of mutations that got us from wild maize to corn… astonishing.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: Actually I was going to talk about the winter fashions being sported by the men in the White House.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Gin & Tonic: In this case, apparently my ignorance is bliss.

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    Adam L Silverman says:


    the idea of mutated beef

    I may resemble this remark.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: Also, I call dibs on Mutated Beef as the name for my Norwegian death metal cover bad.

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    Yutsano says:

    @WaterGirl: Basically what Another Scott said with a follow up from me. If she doesn’t use a Schedule C (although from how you’re talking she should be) then the statement might not work.But if so the Schedule C with a statement and a secure audit trail is your best defence here.

    But definitely tell her to keep trying to get a corrected 1099-MISC.

    (please also note my typing skills are wanting tonight)

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I guess I never thought about it that way. I really have shown my ignorance.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    More oopsie!

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    catclub says:


    they need to check out some Cajun cookbooks. Them’s good eatin’.

    True, but a Cajun will eat anything.

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    @Adam L Silverman: we get it, you do CrossFit

    @WaterGirl: bananas are also crazy mutated.

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    Jay says:


    They are dwarves, so not much meat, and they don’t taste good.

    They are an invasive species taking over the native ecosystem from England, North to Sweden, south to Madagascar and South Asia including Japan.

    They are all females, all clones, who reproduce through cloned eggs, 300 a cycle, 4 cycles a year.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, Latex Solar Beef is already taken.

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    NotMax says:

    Just so long as there is not an identical mutation among female FOXes₀

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    tobie says:

    @Jeffro: Not to put too fine a point on it, but spousal abuse was the theme of the last election. It was celebrated. All the signs and bumper stickers–“Trump that Bitch,” “Hillary for Prison”–were fantasies of abuse. It’s no surprise to me you have so many serial wife beaters in this White House.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I don’t do crossfit. Those people are nuts. Almost as bad as the zumba folks.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lamh36: A lot of his defenders are fading away. Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta always used to be supportive, since Kelly was once his military aide. No more. The best Panetta could do in a phone interview was to suggest the new, bad version of his old friend might be the product of too much time spent with his current boss. “On the other hand,” he added, “who the hell knows?”

    Gail Collins in the NYT

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @WaterGirl: We won’t tell.

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    rikyrah says:

    LarryO has been on the Porter/Kelly situation. His opening segment was searing.

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    Fair Economist says:

    The solution to an asexual invasive is a species specific virus. An asexual population can’t evolve as fast as the virus and will be tightly controlled or even wiped out.

    Nonviral pathogens can work too but they are far more likely to attack non target species.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Yutsano: I’m sorry – I feel like an idiot. Who is “she” and “her”? It’s me who earned the money as a contractor and it’s me who is trying to get ahold of someone who can get me a corrected 1099-MISC. I’m sure there is a Schedule C as part of my taxes.

    The CEO of the (apparently) now defunct non-profit is also a she, albeit a she who reminds me of Trump in many ways. She obviously hired someone to issue her W-2s and 1099s for the non-profit, but the 1099-MISC form has the disconnected phone number listed. The whole thing is really annoying and frustrating.

    To be clear, I am reporting income that is 23,000 HIGHER than what is listed on the 1099-MISC.

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    rikyrah says:

    February 6, 2018 12:58 pm
    Black Panther Is a Beautiful Showcase for Natural Hair
    ByAshley Weatherford

    The stars! The clothes! The music! With its February 16 release date approaching, everyone is experiencing Black Panther fever. While we still have to wait for the early reviews (Issa Rae’s one-minute take: “Wooooooooo!”), the hair critics have already ruled that everyone looks fantastic.

    Ahead of the movie’s premiere, the Cut talked to the head of Black Panther’s hair department, Camille Friend. The movie’s hair wizard explained the month-long process of creating Angela Bassett’s wig, why Michael B. Jordan needed to wear extensions, and what it was like working on a film that celebrated natural black hair.

    What was the overall creative direction for the hair in Black Panther?
    There were three parts. For the “traditional” look, we used inspiration from the Zulu tribe, the Maasai tribe, and the Hima tribe. Then we looked at the modern styles in the natural-hair movement. Finally we looked at the Afropunk movement, which has a lot of natural and creative styling. Also, there are five tribes in the story, and we had to create different looks for each tribe.

    What was it like working on a movie where everyone was styled in natural hair?
    There’s no press and comb in this movie. No relaxers, no nothing! That was one of the things that I really was firm about. I requested that people come with their natural hair. People were like, “Are you sure?” and I was like, “Yes, I am sure! We have a qualified staff of hair people who are phenomenal and who are well-versed in natural hair.”

    How did you style Michael B. Jordan’s hair?
    He has dreadlocks. We wanted to give him a look that you’ve never seen before, and since he is the villain in this story, we wanted him to look strong and bold. He grew out his hair because we didn’t know what we wanted to do with his hair, at first. We eventually decided that we wanted to dreadlock it and keep the sides faded and really short. It’s a great look and he’s really sexy. We added extensions to it, but he did start out with a good amount of hair, and that’s why it looks so natural.

    What’s the story behind Angela Bassett’s wig?
    That was the pièce de résistance wig. It was a wig we created. All of the dreads were handmade, and they were blended with four different colors. Once those were made — there were about 110 pieces of individual dreads — we sent those to the wigmaker [Natascha Ladek], and the wigmaker inserted them in the wig. That whole process took about a month.
    Letitia Wright, Lupita Nyong’o and Angela Bassett in Black Panther.
    Letitia Wright, Lupita Nyong’o and Angela Bassett in Black Panther. Photo: Courtesy of Marvel Studios

    And Lupita’s hair?
    She has two looks in the movie. What we coined as the “Wakanda knot” is basically where we took small individual sections of hair and mixed those sections with Paul Mitchell’s Foaming Pomade, and then we twisted her hair down into itself to create that twist knot. The hair stayed really well all day long.

    Did you tell the actors to stick to a particular natural hair treatment plan while they were filming?
    We shampooed, conditioned, and did oil treatments in the trailer. We’re full service.

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    kindness says:

    Crayfish traps are easy to make. And they are tasty.

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    Adam L Silverman says:


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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Bananas are weird. I used to like bananas, and then one day several years ago they stopped appealing to me (no pun intended) and I haven’t eaten another one since. I have no idea what happened.

    edit: I do still like good banana bread, however.

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    Jay says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Genetic variation amongst crayfish is quite small.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: “On the other hand,” he added, “who the hell knows?”

    Oh my gosh, that is SO very Leon Panetta. I can just hear him saying that. With a chuckle.

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    Jay says:


    Not these ones.

    In most places that allow crayfish fishing, you have to by law, put egg laden females back.

    This species is all egg laden females.

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    Yutsano says:

    @WaterGirl: OH…I interpreted that as an “asking for a friend” situation somehow, please forgive me! Take all the third person pronouns and turn them into second person. File with the higher income amount for sure, We can chunk this into steps so that we can deal with handling potential owing of taxes and such.

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    lamh36 says:

    @PPCLI: as someon on CNN pointed out, Acosta I think…this statement came AFTER Porter resigned, after the photo came out, and oh BTW, after Porter said “yes the pictures are real, and I took them”!!! And it took John Kelly the better part of the entire day to come up with THAT statement, and he STILL had to add, the bit about standing by his previous statements…smh..

    Oh and by most reports, Chump didn’t know the why/how about Porter’s not getting clearance, and that Kelly held this info from him…and to be quite honest so did Kushner, who was apparently a good friend of Porter.

    Smh…The fact that Hope Hicks, the current GF of the accused abuser, actually helped to craft his inital statement and resignation….smh…

    I have not use for anyone who willingly joined up with Chump’s administration, but I hope, that Hope is smart enough to look at how/if ole boy showed ANY aggression towards her that she wrote off, and really evaluates that relationship…or, at the very least stay away from dude until every settles and he’s no longer angry, esp with his history.

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    JR says:

    @WaterGirl: The forward (spontaneous) mutation rate is about 1 per 10000 genes every generation.

    I suppose you could eat clonal food like tree fruits (propagate by grafting, every strain of apple is a single individual, for example).

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @WaterGirl: Bananas are indeed weird. Since they are cultivated by asexual reproduction, the overwhelming majority of commercially-grown bananas are genetically identical. The variety which was predominant through at least the 1950’s, called Gros Michel, was susceptible to a disease which basically wiped them out. The current variety is called Cavendish, and people who’ve eaten Gros Michels say it doesn’t taste as good. But the Cavendish is now in danger of some other disease, which threatens to wipe them out too.

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    Ken says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Don’t forget the horrible twisted forms we’ve created from the cabbage…

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    danielx says:

    @Thor Heyerdahl:

    An insult to cats everywhere, even those who have had to be shaved at various points.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Mieke Eoyang (I looked up the spelling on twitter), president of Third Way and an erstwhile defender (more or less) of Kelly, whom she says she’s known her entire career, now says she doesn’t recognize him. Seems to be a theme.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Yutsano: Okay, that makes sense now. I just really don’t want to get audited.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: The hats and headgear has been fabulous!

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    lamh36 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: So much like Porter, John Kelly in his professional setting was/is seen as a nice, loyal, upstanding guy…but underneath it all, he’s a racist, bigotic, likely chauvanistic P.O.S.

    I see why he maybe saw some of himself in Porter…huh

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    JR says:

    @Fair Economist: The thing that boggles me is that the natural population is not parthenogenic. How far back did this trait go dormant? I’m assuming that it was preexisting in some ancestral species.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence. If whichever banana we switch to after the Cavendish also gets sick and goes extinct, I’m calling it now: three times is enemy action.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    The entire interview was crazy

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    Kelly showed us his true colors a year ago during the first Muslim ban. People chose to not believe what they saw.

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    danielx says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Been taken by a pro wrestler already.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Gin & Tonic: that’s just something out of a random band name generator…no creativity at all

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lamh36: all those things, plus demented ethnonationalist authoritarian

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Is “dated” a euphemism for “boned”? I mean, people can do what they want with their personal lives, but QJ is literally old enough to be Ivanka’s grandfather, and that’s, um, creepy.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Interesting. I do have pretty sensitive taste buds and a very sensitive sense of smell. I wonder if somehow I might have sensed something different that I wasn’t consciously aware of, and the new variety didn’t appeal to me.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @WaterGirl: Bananas are a good example of a species doomed by being asexual. There’s a fungus the standard banana is helpless against and when it gets to the remaining farming areas, Sayonara Cavendish banana.

    There are other bananas but there are also reasons you don’t find them in the supermarket.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I wasn’t there, but i am pretty sure the answer to your first question is YES.

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    NotMax says:


    Just a semi-informed layman, but two things which come to mind:

    1) There ought to be a state agency which oversees/regulates non-profits. Contact them and alert them to what is happening. That yours is the only incorrect form seems unlikely. That agency might also have other contact information which can be passed along to you.

    2) Sign on with a good accountant (not one of those store front tax services) to do the taxes this year. Doesn’t relieve you of the burden of getting the corrected form but does provide someone knowledgeable in the area in your corner should dealings with the IRS later on become necessary.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Jeffro: Um, no, it’s actually a song.

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    PhoenixRising says:


    I am reporting income that is 23,000 HIGHER than what is listed on the 1099-MISC.

    I report income without associated 1099s every year, because many of my clients are disorganized and fail to provide them. (A few of them don’t send them to us because they are deducting more than they paid my firm…as I learned when one of them was audited. It would never occur to you or me or any normal person to overdeduct and hope not to get caught, but there are Republicans in this fallen world.)

    We’ve never had an audit, perhaps because the Schedule C income we report matches the amounts deposited into the bank account associated with that tax ID. As long as you don’t fail to report what went into that account…you’re set.

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    Jeffro says:

    @tobie: nope – last year‘s theme was “the tan and brown hordes from across the border (as well as the ones inside the border) are coming to get you. Lots of misogyny, sure. But not the theme.

    In the year since, we have seen how Trump both draws abusers to him as well as normalizes abusive relationships most especially against women and people of color.

    Also known as, essentially, being a Republican

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    Jeffro says:

    @Gin & Tonic: sorry it was a joke ? I didn’t bother checking out the link

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman: it’s all just a scheme to sell white polos, white pants, and red ball caps ?

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    lamh36 says:

    So…John Kelly knew, maybe Chump didn’t, but Kelly certainly knew..

    Follow Follow @CBSNews
    The FBI informed the White House in November about the domestic abuse allegations against aide Rob Porter, sources tell CBS News

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    tobie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This recurrent theme makes me think that Kelly is in so far over his head that the pressure is making him crack, showing impulses he might have been able to keep to himself when he was a general in the Marines. I’m reminded of Michelle Obama’s statement that winning the Presidency doesn’t make the person, it reveals the person. The same could be said for being appointed to an important position in the executive branch.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @JR: I am not sure it is a dormant trait. Mutations to parthenogenesis occur all over the place, although they tend to be evolutionary dead ends. The only exception I can think of is some rotifer groups.

    It is actually not that crazy a mutation. Basically an egg cell has to fail to go through meiosis, and then start dividing anyway.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: I didn’t read the whole thing, just saw that bit.

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    Sab says:

    @WaterGirl: I love crayfish, crawfish or crawdads. Texans, however, can keep their mudbugs. Why would anyone call them that?

    If Cajuns eat them, why won’t the French?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I have no idea.

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    WaterGirl says:

    About 3 weeks ago my dog Henry started picking up one of his rear legs and not putting weight on it. I took him to the vet 3 weeks ago and the vet said he thought it was a little dog thing (13 pounds) and that his knew was likely popping in and out. Keep an eye on it, but no big deal. It got worse so I got him in today for an x-ray.

    My poor little guy has a torn ACL. :-( Surgery scheduled for 2/27. My Henry is a little energizer bunny, so I have no idea how I am supposed to keep him “quiet” until surgery. Especially not when I have my nieces two 4-month old lab pups coming to stay with me for 10 days, starting on valentine’s day! Sigh.

    Surgery costs $1,500, plus another $700 for some rehab, etc. If you add that to the $200 for office visits and x-rays, we’re looking at maybe $2,400. Thank god for pet insurance! My deductible is $150, and they cover 90% after deductible, so it looks like it will be $400 out of pocket. Yay for that.

    The 6-8 weeks of being in a crate for recovery from surgery will not be any fun for any of us, but we’ll get through it.

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    tobie says:

    @Jeffro: Agree that rancid racism and xenophobia were huge parts of Trump’s appeal but I would still say that misogyny was a big part of his appeal, too.

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    Mike J says:

    How much old bay will fit in a standard suitcase?

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    JR says:

    @Fair Economist: Science has an interesting blurb.

    As suggested by some preliminary evidence, the marbled crayfish has three sets of 92 chromosomes, not the usual two, and each set is essentially a version of the chromosomes belonging to the slough crayfish (P. fallax). Two of the three sets of chromosomes are virtually identical, but the third is different enough that Lyko’s team concludes the marbled crayfish likely arose from the mating of two slough crayfish from different regions of the world thrown together in an aquarium. One must have had an abnormal egg or sperm that retained two copies of its chromosomes instead of the usual single set that is in such germ cells, Lyko explains. The bringing together of the two distant slough crayfish enhanced the genetic variation within the new clonal “species.” Such a union “would never happen in the wild,” he asserts.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @NotMax: Thanks. #1 is an excellent idea, and for #2, I always have my tax guy do my taxes. I don’t make a lot of money and my situation isn’t complicated, but it was complicate the year my dad died and I have just used him ever since. My dad died in 1995, so that’s a long time.

    I wrote him today and outlined the situation but I haven’t heard back yet.

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    Surgery costs $1,500, plus another $700 for some rehab, etc. If you add that to the $200 for office visits and x-rays, we’re looking at maybe $2,400. Thank god for pet insurance!

    While I was reading that, I was thinking, thank god I have pet insurance… glad you do too!

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    eclare says:

    @WaterGirl: My big dog, about 80 pounds, had that surgery years ago. I kept him as quiet as I could after the surgery, but it definitely wasn’t as strict as the dr. wanted. After that he was good as new! Wish you the best!

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    joel hanes says:


    In the sense that mutated is used in this article,
    every organism on the face of the earth is “mutated”.

    Cows are mutant aurochs.

    Chickens are mutant jungle fowl.

    Trout are mutant salmon.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Yutsano: I think we should assume that WaterGirl will never be able to track down the crook she worked for because the crook has disappeared, as crooks are wont to do.

    The 1099 she has says she made $x; her records show she made $x + $23,000. She is worried that the IRS is not going to like this discrepancy.

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    @joel hanes: Cats are mutant… slightly different cats from Africa!

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    lamh36 says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I think he means “date” as in dinner…no sex?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @PhoenixRising: Yeah, it might have been better if they hadn’t sent me on at all, but they did, so here we are.

    How do they know about the bank accounts? They can’t possibly look at that and compare. Right? Or am I just naive?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: We’re keeping good thoughts down here at the House of Dog Hair.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @tobie: I’m reminded of Michelle Obama’s statement that winning the Presidency doesn’t make the person, it reveals the person.

    I’ve been thinking of that all day.

    How much you wanna bet Jethrene Huckabee trots out his four stars and gold star to defend him tomorrow.

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    MomSense says:


    Poor Henry. I hope the surgery helps and he recovers quickly.

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    Another Scott says:

    In other news… Reuters:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. aircraft carried out rare, retaliatory strikes in Syria’s Deir al-Zor province on Wednesday against forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad after they attacked U.S.-backed fighters’ headquarters there, U.S. officials said.

    No U.S. troops embedded with the local fighters at their headquarters were believed to have been wounded or killed in the attack, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    The U.S.-led coalition fighting Islamic State described the attack on the headquarters as “unprovoked,” but offered little information in its terse statement confirming the attack.

    The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present or involved in the retaliatory strike or offer any details on which forces attacked the Syrian Democratic Forces’ headquarters. The SDF are a U.S.-backed alliance of militias in northern and eastern Syria.

    “Syrian pro-regime forces initiated an unprovoked attack against well-established Syrian Democratic Forces headquarters Feb. 7,” the statement said.

    It said the incident took place 8 km (5 miles) east of the Euphrates River.

    “In defense of coalition and partner forces, the coalition conducted strikes against attacking forces to repel the act of aggression against partners engaged in the Global Coalition’s defeat-Daesh mission,” the statement said, using an Arab acronym for Islamic State.

    The Syrian army is backed by Iranian-backed militias and Russian forces. The U.S.-led coalition did not say whether any pro-Syrian fighters were killed in the retaliatory strike.

    What was that “classic blunder” again? Something, something, land war in Asia I think it was?


    Erdogan is threatening US forces, Assad’s attacking US forces, presumably Putin’s little green men will be attacking them soon enough, also too.

    But Donnie wants to have a bigly parade in DC! Priorities!!



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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: should read the ENTIRE interview…it is THAT good! In fact maybe post about it…cause some of the statements he made about some pretty big name would be sooo much fodder for the BJ minions to discuss!!!

    And while you’re at it…check out the GQ interview that happened last year…even more out there than the Vulture article your comment excerpt came from

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @eclare: a lot of my dog friends have had those surgeries, mostly older but one was a six month old lab. I still don’t know how the family made it through those six weeks (IIRC)

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Fair Economist: When I first heard about Cavendish bananas getting wiped out, I was relieved in a way. I loved bananas as a child, now I can take or leave them, and wondered why that was so. It was the bananas that changed.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @JR: Ah, the marbled crayfish is a triploid! Well, there is your no meiosis mutation right there, so if the oocytes just try to develop they are good to go (and these went.) Dunno why they said it never happens in the wild – interspecies crosses most definitely happen in the wild, sometimes with results like this.

    Interestingly, bananas are also triploid sterile. It’s common in seedless crops.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @joel hanes: We all know where this is heading:

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Yep! After I lost my beloved kitty soulmate in 2009, and I had to consider costs as I considered treatments, I vowed I would never not have pet insurance again.

    I always mention it to friends who get a new pet. Some listen, some don’t. I probably lose money most years, but it’s still worth it to me for peace of mind. You never need it, until you do.

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    GregB says:

    Meanwhile in the cauldron of the Middle East.

    Barbara Starr’s Twitter: JUST IN: Russian contractors may have been involved in pro-regime attack on US military advisers and their partner forces in Syria that led to US counterattack with aircraft and artillery in east of Euphrates. No US wounded.

    Israel also targeted Hezbollah in Syria.

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    eclare says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That would be tough…I think my dog was around four or five.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @eclare: Thanks. I hope our outcome is as good as yours!

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    joel hanes says:


    I’m assuming that it was preexisting in some ancestral species.

    Doesn’t look like it. The marbled crayfish under discussion are triploid — every normal cell has three sets of genes, not two. Two sets are identical; one is different from the other two: it seems that the third set contributes the DNA that tells each developing egg that it’s already fertilized.
    The ancestral species is normally diploid.
    This looks like one of those rare “saltational” genetic events.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @joel hanes: Okay, you guys are telling me way more about food than I want to know. :-)

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    MomSense says:

    Oh god. Joy Reid just tweeted a link to an interview with Quincy Jones in whic he talks about dating Ivanka 12 years ago.


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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ohio Mom: That is a most excellent summary!!!!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Does any of it have to do with national security, defense, and/or foreign policy? Or Floriduh! Man? Because those are my official lanes here.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: You can’t be serious. Are you serious?

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Ohio Mom: The banana changed a long time ago, in the fifties. Supposedly the Gros Michel predecessor tastes like banana candy, which the Cavendish doesn’t really. The fungus that wiped the Gros Michel does not infect chemical factories, so they still make the Gros Michel flavor.

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    MomSense says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s the interview. Holy hell.

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    joel hanes says:


    the new variety

    It’s my impression that you’re not old enough to have experienced the Gros Michel,
    which became commercially unimportant by 1960.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Here at the House of Dog and Cat Hair, we gratefully accept your good wishes.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MomSense: I posted that above.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    I loved bananas as a child, now I can take or leave them, and wondered why that was so. It was the bananas that changed.

    I am big. It’s the bananas that got small.

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    MoxieM says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I’ve been wondering if there has been a variant on Cavendish introduced. Bananas I’ve purchased in the last, say 18 months? have been more mealy and less tasty than (rest of my life) bananas. So I wondered, knowing about the fungus (eta: not virus).

    And, NB, in Indonesia, where wasband grew up, they laugh at us for eating banana varies like Cavendish (they see as animal feed), since they lack nuance, good texture, flavor, etc. The varieties in natural banana habitats are astonishing.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: Thank you. The reason I took him in for the x-ray, even after the vet said probably no big deal, is because a few days ago I looked at Henry and he looked sad for the first time in his entire life – and I have had him for 3 years. He’s my happy energizer bunny, so I knew we had a problem.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MomSense: Ayep.

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    MomSense says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Just saw it. I was trying to do some stretching tonight and ended up noticing all the dog hair under the couch and tv stand. Ended up cleaning and finally checked twitter only to see this. I think I’d rather clean up dog hair.

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    moops says:


    well, Cajuns will cook anything. Saying Cajuns will eat it has not told you anything about a critter’s desirability. Cajuns can make almost anything tasty, if your body can process what’s added to the dish. I’ve enjoyed gator, and regretted it an hour later.

    That said, You won’t find the gutter foods at Adolfo’s. No reservations (literally, not figuratively ie. Anthony Bourdain road show). get there early and put you name on the list.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I’m assuming that WaterGirl is not interested in eating cats.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Norm Ornstein, of the alt-left American Enterprise Institute, on John Kelly

    Norman Ornstein Retweeted Jay Rosen
    His sadistic outlook, arrogance and temperament were clear from the day he went to DHS. Shame on those who ignored or downplayed it. Including way too many journalists desperate to normalize this presidency

    I found it retweeted by Tom Nichols, who manages to be both a paleo-con and a neocon

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    MomSense says:


    He’s such a cutie. In my world I noticed my dog smiling and thought that seemed uncharacteristically cheerful. Turns out it is her just about to vomit face.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: la la la la (fingers in my ears) I can’t hear you!

    (or I don’t want to hear you)

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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Lol…not at all just an interesting and pop culture music band dropping…particularly the Vulture interview…its probably more in Doug’s wheelhouse 🤔🤔🤔

    You know what’s the craziest part about this Quincy Jones interview: when he favorably compares the guitar playing chops of Microsoft founder Paul Allen to Jimi f***ing Hendrix:…

    actually now that is NOT the crazy part!

    seriously folks go find and read that Vulture interview with Quincy Jones! You’ll thank me for it!

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    dww44 says:

    It’s always amazing when one first googles a subject one’s never googled before. In this instance, I’m arming myself with facts to counter a ridiculous LTE in today’s paper which posits that Obama’s 8 years were the most scandalous, corrupt and abusive of power in history. The writer says he has “proof”.

    My first google is gobsmackingly ridiculous. How does the right and right leaning sites get the upper hand in these kinds of searches? First was the WP fact checking Obama’s claim that he had a scandal free President. Their fact checking says his claim ” needs context”. Next was Breitbart. Shortly thereafter was the Heritage Foundation, and then there was the American Conservative and down at the end was the National Review. Guess what position all of them took. Then towards the bottom of the first page was a book by someone called Matt Margolis caled “The Worst President in History”. Ths must be the source my letter writer used.

    A cursory glance at the blurbs on Google indicates that most of the so called scandals weren’t really scandals at all. Like that phony IRS scandal, largely made up by the GOP, as is everything else they do. Anyways, if anyone has neutral sources they can direct me to, I’m gonna rebut that Obama hater in my paper today. That will be tomorrow evening. Tonight I need to tamp down the anger and frustration. Conspiracy theorists and the people who believe them are the greatest threat to our democracy. Thanks Fox et al.

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    Jeffro says:

    @tobie: Fair point. Multiple vectors of hate.

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    NotMax says:


    What are called “apple bananas” are always available in the markets here. At twice or even thrice the price of ‘regular’ bananas.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I found it retweeted by Tom Nichols, who manages to be both a paleo-con and a neocon

    And a climate change denier and a complete asshole.

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    I think I first heard about the banana monoculture being imminently doomed (dooooomed!) when I was a teenager. Google suggests that it’s hit the news cycle again. Is it actually imminent this time?

    @joel hanes: No, but they are organisms, which is the word you used.

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    Sab says:

    @PhoenixRising: I do tax prep, and I also have tax practice.

    Every year my clients and I report more income than the 1099s, because the guys who pay us don’t always need to issue 1099s. It’s perfectly normal. The IRS doesn’t care unless you report less than somebody else says they paid you.

    It’s unusual for someone to report less than they paid you, because that loses them a deduction. If they are a non-profit that probably won’t matter for income tax but will matter for their compliance tax reporting. That is their problem.

    That is not your problem. You need to report what they paid you. If you are reporting what they paid you, and as much or more than they reported they paid you, you are okay. You are not the tax police. If you are reporting less than they said they paid you, then you have an issue you must explain. If you are reporting more income than they say they paid you, it is extremely unlikely the IRS will complain, and even if they do, so what. You can show what you were paid. The error wasn’t yours.

    I get wrong 1099s all the time. It’s not that big a deal. Report what happened, and let her explain her bad numbers to the IRS. Just do not report less than you were paid in order to conform to her bad numbers. Her bad numbers are her problem not yours. You know and can prove what you were paid.

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    chris says:

    @WaterGirl: Sorry to hear about your dog, I went through almost the same thing with Bert. His stifle wasn’t torn all the way so we decided to try the rest cure. The vet advised Gravol, an OTC anti-nausea medication, to keep him calm because he’s a very busy guy. He became a very slow, calm dog and it worked like a charm for 6 awful weeks of little 5 minute leash walks and much sleeping. He healed and we both walked off the weight we gained.
    I think it’s called Dramamine in the US, check with your vet.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @joel hanes: You are correct, sir! So much for that theory, now I still have no idea why one day I loved bananas, and the next day (and the next and the next) I never wanted a banana again.

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    MoxieM says:

    @WaterGirl: Are you doing a TPLO, or that newer surgery (name…??). I had very good success with a 2 YO Newfie girl (adolescent, hence bouncy) having the TPLO. If I remember she was about 125lbs. A crate about the size of the fridge on its side was procured (still have in basement :) ), and the harder part was hoiking her hind end up to take her out to pee etc.. Had some kind of “large-dog-hoiking-up” harness thing. They have better ones now. I’d check on

    Anyway, the very best of luck to you & the doggo. What they say is often the truth: they are stoic and resilient–will accommodate to the need to be more quiet than usual while healing (after all, they kind of feel like crap at first). Pretty sure I spoiled my girl silly with chew toys to keep her entertained though.

    And yeah, the expense…open a vein…

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    WaterGirl says:

    @joel hanes:

    I’m assuming that WaterGirl is not interested in eating cats.

    I appreciate the vote of confidence!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I know Norm. He’s good people.

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    danielx says:

    When did AEI become an alt-left organization?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: That made me laugh out loud. You are a great story teller, Sorry about the puke though, hope she feels better already.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @MoxieM: I have not heard of a new Cavendish variety. I would suspect purchase/shipment/storage changes by your supermarket suppliers. It is a penny pinching business; bananas are crazy cheap for a delicate tropical fruit shipped all over the world. Could also be another disease infecting Cavendishes.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @danielx: That’s some good shit, yo.

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    lamh36 says:

    @WaterGirl: no i am serious 12 years ago Ivanka would have been 21…Quincy Jones…72? I could totally see Chump sending Ivanka to charm old man Quincy, ya know butter him up for whatever Chump wanted from Quincy Jones? ya know pimped our but no sex?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Sab: I am thinking that the reply to PhoenixRising was intended for me? In any case, it’s very helpful, thank you!

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    Jay says:


    Our Casey had both hind legs done, one year apart.

    I used the self adhesive bandages wrapped thickly around the knee to limit knee movement, and took her on slowish, long walks to burn off her energy.

    She had the TPLO surgury, which has a much faster recovery rate than the ACL Replacement.

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    Sab says:

    @moops: I thought the French would also eat anything (I have no problem with French food).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Lalophobia: I’m planning on getting to it tomorrow. Hopefully. Depending on how the day goes.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @danielx: Disagreeing with His Orangeness, or pointing out when he contradicted himself, or even laughing at his bald spot, makes you alt-left (and a cuck).

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Way OT. A heads-up, strictly FYI, that cheesecake can be made in the Instant Pot.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Lalophobia: There has been some discussion of the *successful* Russian hacking of voter registration but it has been lost in other things. You just can not keep up with the crap coming out of the Trump misadministration.

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    Sab says:

    @WaterGirl: Yes it was intended for you. Thanks.

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    PhoenixRising says:


    How do they know about the bank accounts? They can’t possibly look at that and compare. Right?

    Welp, SWMBO just corrected me on that! It’s not a routine flag. The time we were asked to report on a discrepancy was a line audit, as it turns out. Her contracted client deducted all of her business expenses when she had also deducted those expenses…because they hadn’t PAID her travel, we did…and the audit asked for an explanation of why the 1099s were lower than what we reported.

    So those 1099s were messed up in the same way you’re describing, because the client had already taken their deductions off what they reported by putting some part of your receipts (income) into different expense categories. Their highest audit exposure is of course…reporting employee expenses as contracts, our friend misclassification (of employees as contractors, maybe by accident, maybe on purpose and see if they get caught).

    Bottom line, don’t under-report based on a shorted 1099, and even if you get audited you’re not going to owe more.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @chris: My Henry is also a very busy guy! I wonder if that medication would work for the 6-8 weeks after surgery where he is supposed to be quite. I will check with my vet.

    My vet mentioned the “see if they can get over it” option, but we are going with the surgery because my vet felt that this gives him the best outcome going forward. Less likely to have an arthritis issue because of the problem, less muscle mass lost, and one other big thing that I’ve already forgotten. Sad!

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    Karmus says:

    Sorry if this link’s been offered up. It isn’t the most important thing, but with regard to transplant vs. weave, I found this article from May 2016 by a guy who wrote a whole book about hair informative:

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yutsano: Her issue is that she made more than was shown on the 1099.

    @Sab: This.

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    PhoenixRising says:


    If you are reporting less than they said they paid you, then you have an issue you must explain


    Yes, exactly. The one time we had an issue it was because the entity that over-reported their expenses by inflating a payment to us (added a zero) didn’t bring us in on their fraud by sending that 1099 to us at all…they just sent it to the IRS! It was genius! Except that we were able to produce the checks they paid us and every other deposit to prove that the 1099 was in error, not our reporting. Someone had a bad day when Isabel from the Salt Lake City IRS office called him back.

    Never, ever, ever under-report what you deposited and that bad day won’t be yours.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Karmus: That was pretty good, and entertaining. Thanks.


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    moops says:

    @Sab: Cajun and French cuisine have a lot of overlap in that regard. In France it was a byproduct of a feudal past and resourceful peasants. The Lord gets the good meat cuts, and the help get the off-cuts, and the peasants get the organs left over. Centuries later and the French still can’t cook a steak properly. Cajuns were the “help” and “peasants” parts of France settling in the colonies and getting their hands on whatever they could find and manage to cook and sell to other Cajuns. The restaurant explosion kicked off with New Orlesns being the incubator. Not so much a class overlay as completing to apply old world arts and tricks to make fantastic menus. It was a remarkable culinary time.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MoxieM: I will have to look at the paperwork the vet sent with me. He said it described 3 different surgeries, but he recommended this particular one because he’s a small dog. 13 pounds. I left the paperwork in the car because at that point I had about all I could take in and figured i would look at it tomorrow.

    My vet was a practicing physical therapist who decided to go to vet school. It’s called SportsVet and they do water treadmills and all sorts of rehab for injured pets, so I imagine he is on top of all the new stuff. Will look tomorrow and let you know if I see you in a thread.

    Decades ago my cocker had back surgery and the recovery weeks were long, but we got through that and we will get through this. Much easier will a little guy, I imagine, except that he’s a bundle of energy so that will be challenging!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Thanks. I don’t have an insta pot.

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    chris says:

    @WaterGirl: Bert’s ligament hadn’t actually separated and the vet thought that he had a good chance to heal. He did and three years later he has no problems. I walked four miles over rough ground this morning so he did double that and was bugging me around four for the daily leash walk.
    When it was over it was hard to explain to him why he couldn’t have any more delicious hot dogs stuffed with pills. He was huffy for a week.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Fair Economist: I did do something on this several months ago. My take then, as now that we have fuller confirmation, is that the concern isn’t that they got in. The concern is what they did while in. Did they alter the voter rolls? Change information? Delete people? Add them? Steal personal identifying information? If so, what did they do with that? Sell it? Use if for blackmail? To harass people? Target them on social media?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it, but if I see it, I will smile coldly and make the Mr Burns ‘eexxxcellent” fingers

    Gabriel Sherman @ gabrielsherman
    Ppl close to White House I spoke with are speculating that Kelly could be in danger of being fired if Porter scandal gains steam. CNN reports Kelly didn’t inform Trump of allegations of Porter’s abuse, leaving Trump exposed

    ETA:: there have been rumors for about a week that Ivanka has turned on Kelly, and Breitbart has a story out about Poerter being a Kushner ally– they were at Harvard together. Makes me wonder if Bannon’s fingerprints are on any of this, and if trump has started calling him again

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: You make a good case. But… if Ivanka and Daddy were doing things that fathers and daughters don’t do, then there’s no telling what might have gone on with Quincy Jones. Many prostitutes, for instance, have been abused when they are younger. Even if you are right, I still go “ugh”.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Jay: yikes! Both knees! I had forgotten that the vet said that if they have a problem with one, there’s a 50% chance the other one will do it, too. I will have to look and see if it is the TPLO in the morning.

    Interesting idea about the bandage – I wonder if that would help in the 3 weeks before surgery – when I will have the 2 visiting 4-month old labs.

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    Another Scott says:

    @moops: Reminds me of an old, small, French cookbook that a colleague in grad school had. It had recipes for things like cow’s head, all the organ meats from any animal you can think of, etc., etc.

    Kinda disgusting to see drawings of all the stuff, but I guess it’s a good idea to see what it looks like if you’re planning on making and eating it!


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    Ruckus says:

    Got on a plane once and the guy in the row ahead of me had the absolute worst comb over ever. Three completely separate greased up strands of maybe 10 hairs each glued left to right across his otherwise completely bald head. It was very difficult not to laugh out loud and his wife saw me looking and just shook her head. I wanted to tell the guy, “Give it up, you aren’t fooling anyone of any age that you have hair.” And I do feel like I have room to talk, if you don’t believe me, find the pics that billinglendale took of the LA meet up. I ain’t cue ball but am damn close.

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    lamh36 says:

    things Quincy Jones discusses in the Vulture interview:

    1)Who really killed JFK (as told to him by Frank Sinatra)
    2)Beatles being horrible musicians
    3)Micheal Jackson’s greedy business practices
    4)Dating Ivanka Trump

    oh and Richard Pryor, James Baldwin, & Marvin Gay slept with…Marlon Brando!!!

    Oh And there’s more…

    I swear to you that this interview is the moat INTERESTING “candid” interview you have read in awhile

    Quincy Jones on Michael Jackson, the Trumps, and Modern Pop via @vulture

    I am not big on reading memoirs but oh…I might just have to read this one!!

    ETA: Off to bed now…peace out BJ

    ETA2: BTW…Pryor’s widow confirmed Richard sleep with Brando!!!!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @PhoenixRising: Yikes! I know people who don’t report income, and that is never going to be me! Do not fuck with the IRS. That’s my motto, anyway.

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    efgoldman says:


    Or am I just naive?

    You do know that every account has your SSN attached, right? And the bank issues 1099s for even minuscule amounts of interest paid (or another form for interest charged)? And the IRS actually has computers that compare things under the same SSN
    My credit union sends a 1099 for ~$2.50 interest
    Yeah, you’re naive. As a freelancer these are things you should know.

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    moops says:

    What is funny is that n Early NYC the great dish was oysters, Ad they were indulged in by all the classes in the city, A rare time in human history where all the classes agreed that oysters in NYC we a mwal fit for every class of men or women, Millions a see processed andand served in sauces, dried, in baked breads, and sold to all classes equally. one food enjoy in all classes.

    then our rotten sanitation killed them all. toikets venting raw poop in the rivers, cholera outbreaks, and the shutdown of oyster farms,

    At the time oysters was what everyone knew NYC for.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @chris: I’m glad it worked out so well for you guys!

    When it was over it was hard to explain to him why he couldn’t have any more delicious hot dogs stuffed with pills. He was huffy for a week.

    That made me laugh! You could have weaned him slowly off the hot dogs, you know. :-)

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    WaterGirl says:

    @efgoldman: Yeah, I know that stuff. I just never thought that the IRS would be looking at my bank deposits and comparing that to my reported income. I mean, if your mom sends you a $500 check for christmas, that’s not reportable ncome.

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    moops says:

    and to add, the great cold water reefs around NYC where oyster reefs, since oyster prefer to grow on the back of older oysters. similar in scope to modern coral reefs protecting tropical islands and beaches.

    except there grow faster and are tougher and disperse more wave energy that a coral reef.

    I”m game for that, since those oysters so taste great, unlike these marbled crayfish that have a nasty resin in them

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    Mnemosyne says:


    We bought those at the farmer’s market when we were on Kauai. They were delicious.

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    eclare says:

    @WaterGirl: I read that too, that having the surgery on one back leg increases the chance of needing it in the other. My dog lived about five or six years after the surgery, and never needed it in the other.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Thanks, everybody! I’ve had tons of clients send me 1099s that were incorrect, but I’ve never had one be off by 23,000 and I’ve never had a client that just up and disappeared and was therefore unreachable for a correction. Two years ago, one of them double-reported my payment (issued 2 1099-MISC for me) and my protest on that is still working its way through the IRS.

    But 23k and a disappearing non-profit are both new ones on me!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @eclare: Yeah, they warned me with my cocker that if they had one disk problem, they would likely have another one. But she had her first one at 2 years old and never had another problem. Statistics! Helpful, except when they aren’t.

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    Ruckus says:

    As someone who has had to do this I can make a small suggestion. You got paid an amount, probably over a period of time/number of checks. You cashed those checks and probably deposited them. Take all your bank statements for the last year and go through and find those amounts, note them, maybe make a spreadsheet. If those checks had a stub that you hopefully kept, all of this info should add up to the number you know you made. If you have no other deposits around this amount or you can also account for all of them that will show that at least you keep good records and that the 1099 is wrong. It probably won’t get you relieved of the possibility of the tax but it might get the auditor to ask for a cross check with the payor. They have probably better ways of looking for people than you do. Also do understand that this person may be trying to hide income and is using you. If she is doing this, you may not be the only person this is happening to. A red flag on her account could go a long way to helping you.

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    Jay says:


    Cajun’s were Acadian’s ethnically cleansed from New Brunswick and the Nova Scotia handle by the British.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Quincy Jones dissing the Beatles?

    The man’s gone dotard.

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    Jay says:


    We did it before the surgury, with the TPLO they come out the next day walking. Afterwords it’s exercise, streching, getting mobility back and just keeping the stitches clean.

    Casey was a Pit Bull Border Collie cross. If she hadn’t been a “spinner”, ( rapid zigzags and course changes) the ACL replacement probably would have worked, but the load on her knees required the TPLO.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Ohio Mom:
    Looks like I may have misunderstood.
    If she is reporting more than the 1099 and has the records to show for it and is willing to pay the tax on the correct amount, I can’t see how this is a problem for WG. The IRS never seems to be upset about getting more money.
    If on the other hand the 1099 shows, as I understood $23K more than she got, that’s a bit trickier for WG.

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    hueyplong says:

    Q Jones is 48 years older than Ivanka. “Creepy” is putting it mildly. If he’s just trying to give Trump a stroke by saying this stuff, then, Tu salud, Don Jones.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ruckus: Yep. I use a separate bank account for my business stuff. Yesterday I exported all deposits from that account for 2017 into a spreadsheet and then went through all my invoices to match them up against the deposits from that client. I also labelled the other deposits for the other clients that aren’t in question.

    Since I am reporting 23k MORE than is on the 1099-MISC, I am not worried about incurring extra taxes. I just never like to call attention to myself with the IRS – I am trying to eliminate an potential issue so I never have to come to their attention in the first place.

    Also do understand that this person may be trying to hide income and is using you. If she is doing this, you may not be the only person this is happening to. A red flag on her account could go a long way to helping you.

    I had a similar thought – for them to be that far off, it made me wonder if they screwed up EVERYBODY;s 1099-MISC. I also wondered if it might have been deliberate, trying to set me up with an opportunity for me to declare less than I earned – except that I am not stupid enough to lie to the IRS.

    Also, I suspect she is in some legal trouble with grants received but services not provided – that happened after I left – so I wonder if there is some angle where it’s advantageous for her to list my payments as lower than they were, but I can’t imagine what it would be.

    edit: Besides getting away from her abusive treatment of me, I am super glad that I got the hell out of there before her world came crashing down.

    edit 2: i was writing all this when you were writing your comment above.

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    frosty says:

    @Jeffro: LOL, we did the same thing in South PA. Except for filling the model ships with saltpeter and sugar and watching them flare up and burn to the waterline.

    Good times.

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    Sab says:

    @moops: I still think (rawoyzters” taste like snot. This is from my elementary school years in Florida. Then I still have to explain how I know what snot tastes like.

    So raw oysters taste like every sensible person imagines snot would taste like. Why would you eat those?

    Crawdads, crawfish, crayf
    ish are amazing.

    Mudbugs just ain’t.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Jay: Then I think the surgery the vet is talking about must not be the TPLO, because I have to keep him super quiet for weeks after the surgery. I will look at the sheet that lists all 3 surgeries and will maybe ask about the TPLO, even though he recommended the one he did because Henry is a small dog. Can’t hurt to ask!

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    WaterGirl says:

    Goodnight all!. Many thanks for all the input related to my tax question and on Henry’s torn ACL

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    AnneWith says:

    I told my husband before we got married that if he went bald & did a comb-over that I would divorce him.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    So raw oysters taste like every sensible person imagines snot would taste like. Why would you eat those?

    Your personal issue.

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    Sab says:

    @WaterGirl: I am guessing it’s all about which grants went where.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I got back to last night’s thread very late. The answer to your question is that I didn’t realize that inheriting money/property and inheriting a title in 1815 England were two totally different processes, and it could take the House of Lords a very long time to decide that someone could inherit a title even if they had all of the right proofs.

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    Sab says:

    I am experiencing ” the cough”, or what we melodramatic Ohioans call “the cough that never ends” My niece is a pediatric ICU nurse, and this is what they call it. She says it’ s still going three months out. I am six weeks in to a harsh cough with lots of phlegm that sent me to bed for a week and landed my 93 year old dad in a nursing home for rehab. Anyone else have had this? Will it last more thansix/eight/twelve weeks?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: Bleak House. And it actually makes sense to me. Some estates were entailed and some were not.

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    Sab says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Unkind. I don’t eat snot. My dogs totally do, but they are enthusiastic about being dogs and living full dog lives. That is not important to me.

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    NotMax says:


    Of course, no set timetable. Seven weeks to the day for me (including what seemed a remission, but wasn’t). Lots of hot tea along with regularly taking an expectorant cough medication helped with loosening the phlegm and making the coughs more productive.

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    Timurid says:

    One thing nobody’s talking about yet in regards to the Porter scandal.. if Porter and Hicks really are an item and the allegations against him are true… then one senior Trump staffer has been regularly beating and choking another. Because people like that don’t just turn it on and off. Kelly might be a heartless prick, but I’m stunned he didn’t force Porter out to protect himself and his boss. The downside risks ranged from “Hicks turns on Porter and exposes him in the messiest way possible” to “they find Hicks’ strangled corpse in the West Wing one morning.” And if anyone says “He’d never go that far,” well, those are some of the most famous last words ever.

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    NotMax says:


    For the sake of better clarity, make that seven weeks to the day before it fled to more promising pastures.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Sab: @Sab: Suggesting that people who eat oysters eat snot? I am sorry if it is a personal thing for you. Unless you can provide evidence that oysters are snot.

    As I said, your personal issue.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I was looking at the Wikipedia article about Bleak House. My story is in the same realm but isn’t nearly as complicated, plus it’s more about the title than the money.

    The famous case that the authors I know throw around was of an aristocratic family whose claim to a title was disputed for over 200 years until it was finally denied in 1809. By then, all entails on property related to the title had long since expired, so the dispute was solely about the right to be officially invested with the title and be able to take a seat in the House of Lords.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Are they sure it’s not whooping cough (aka pertussis)? We had a nasty outbreak of that in CA a few years ago.

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    seaboogie says:

    Welcome to the new vaginaverse, peoples! We got so bone-ass tired of harassment and legislating our lady-parts – that we sent an advance force of craw-mommies to tell you we don’t need anything but our own selves to keep the species alive. Then Nancy Smash set a filibuster record while wearing heels. But just for fun, we exposed that sorry-ass leader’s bald AF pate, because you know what we call the wind? Mariah, that’s what.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: All I am saying is that it can be complicated and take time. For your novel, I shouldn’t assume a short time (unless someone knows someone).

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yes, I had made a silly assumption that it was something that could be dealt with quickly, but having it drag out will actually be better for the story, so overall it’s a positive even if it’s a little annoying right now.

    The case I was thinking about above was the Banbury peerage case, which hinged on whether children born within wedlock should inherit if everyone was pretty sure they were fathered by someone else.

    ETA: Also, my story starts in the spring of 1815, when the government of England had more important things to worry about than a silly peerage case.

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    Mike J says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I would have thought that if one were in line for a peerage, one would most certainly know someone.

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    NotMax says:

    @Mike J

    Peer pressure.


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    J R in WV says:


    All food is mutated from some earlier form, else we would be eating nothing but dinosaurs etc, Instead of chicken soup. Of course lobster isn’t very mutated, looks prehistoric original.

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    J R in WV says:


    That $23,000 is money your employer should have paid in taxes that she stole from you and the IRS. That’s why the 1099 is to low, she didn’t with-hold and pay the correct monies to the IRS, she kept it. A typical tax fraud where she will attempt to blame you with the bad paperwork.

    I gotta go back to bed now. G’Night all!!

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    Jay S says:

    @Ruckus: I doubt they are trying to hide income by under reporting 1099’s. They might be trying to improve their ratio of funds used for benefits to employee expenses to get a better rating from charitable watchdogs. But if they have folded I am not sure how that works. Perhaps they are still taking donations and pocketing them. Or perhaps trying to sell the brand to another crook by a fraudulent retained earnings statement.

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    Ruckus says:

    I tried for a year or so to not admit that gravity had taken hold of my hair and was working it’s magic. By the end of that year it was obvious that I had lost that war. I remember the words fuck it coming to mind. I remember how much easier it was to not only admit but to revel in it’s ease of care. My ex made the same discovery when she was about 25. She had gorgeous long black hair, down to her butt. But it took hrs to wash and dry. One day she came home and was scared to tell me, like I wouldn’t like her any more without her hair. She was still the same lovely person, just a lot happier that she didn’t need to spend hours working on what really isn’t important. And happier is always a lot better.

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    Jay S says:


    I suspect she is in some legal trouble with grants received but services not provided – that happened after I left – so I wonder if there is some angle where it’s advantageous for her to list my payments as lower than they were, but I can’t imagine what it would be.

    @Jay S: She may be attempting to understate the overall administrative expense by minimizing 1099’s because she and possibly others were taking excessive salary compared to donations. At some point the non profit status becomes suspect.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jay S:
    Read JR in WV above your comment. And it isn’t that they obviously would be better off but that they thought they would be, that’s enough reason for some to do anything. My company won a law suit once for $130K against a corp that turned out really was several corps, all of them except the last had little or no assets. This of course was to hide the money and make it harder to trace or to attach. The government could and would spend the time, for that much it really wasn’t worth the effort for my lawyers to get to. All of our monetary dealings were with the original corp, when they lost the suit they just folded it up and walked away. And likely got a tax write off in the parent corp for the one we sued, it was now a holding with a negative value. Ahh good times.

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    rikyrah says:

    The crayfish scares me

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    WaterGirl says:

    To follow up on Henry’s torn ACL and the surgery he will get…

    I checked the info from the vet and it says the TPLO is the gold standard surgery, which sounds awesome, and then goes on to say that this can be performed on dogs 20 pounds or more. My guy is 13-14 pounds, which is likely why he didn’t recommend it, but I will still ask.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    I can’t believe no one has yet thought to say, “I for one welcome out new crustacean overlords.”


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    Daddio7 says:

    @WaterGirl: According to science all life on Earth has mutated or evolved . At least until a few years ago when some men inserted foreign genes into some forms of life. As far as I have learned this is one of natures mutations and is perfectly fine to eat. Or they could be the result of chemical or hormone pollution in the water so they maybe the bad for you kind.

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    Daddio7 says:

    @Ruckus: So, you see some guy with an Adams apple the size of a real apple, two day stubble on his chin, wearing a ball gown and black pumps. Would you laugh at him and say give it up, you look nothing like a woman? Shouldn’t a man without hair be allowed to self identify as having hair?

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