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You are here: Home / Politics / America / The Lajes’ Protocol: Known Nunes and Unknown Nunes

The Lajes’ Protocol: Known Nunes and Unknown Nunes

by Adam L Silverman|  January 29, 201812:24 pm| 129 Comments

This post is in: America, Domestic Politics, Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Politics, Silverman on Security, Not Normal

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As Betty wrote this morning, and as I’ve written about here and here, Congressman Nunes and his staff have put together a cherrypicked memo, based on classified information provided to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence by the Department of Justice and the FBI. They are threatening to release it against the objections of the DOJ and the FBI. The purpose of the memo, and the selected leaking by Congressman Nunes and his partners in crime – Congressman Meadows and Jordan of the Freedom Caucus, Congressman Gaetz and DeSantis of Florida, and others –  is to accuse senior career officials of the the DOJ and FBI of acting improperly in an attempt to undermine these two agencies and by extension Special Prosecutor Mueller and his investigation. From yesterday’s reporting we now have confirmation that the central charge of Nunes as stated in his memo involves now Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein’s allegedly using information from the Steele Dossier to get a FISA warrant for Carter Page. Either Congressman Nunes, despite chairing the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, doesn’t understand how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) approves or extends warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or he’s being disingenuous in pursuit of political objectives.

Former FBI Special Agent Asha Rangappa, who worked counterintelligence investigations, has done a couple of twitter postings explaining the process. She also went on CNN today to explain how this all works. The video and the timelines are below, but the Bottom Line Up Front, is that the DOJ and FBI have an internal team that vets FISA warrant applications for warrants and extensions to approved warrants before they’re brought before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. One of the reasons that the FISC approves over 90% of the warrant applications brought before it, is because the ones that don’t survive a high level of presubmission review scrutiny don’t make it to the FISC.

Here’s the video:

Here are the narrative explanations, but for those that would rather not read tweet storms, she also wrote an explainer about this at Just Security.

This first one is in regard to the overall FISA warrant application process:

3. Because you are not necessarily intending to gather evidence of a crime the standard is not as high as a criminal wiretap (Title III).

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

5. For U.S. persons (USPERS), the std is slightly higher: that the target is "knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities"

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

7. in fact, obtaining foreign intel regarding the alleged intelligence activities. (For nonUSPERS, there is a 90 day check-in, and then it

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

9. The CNN report suggests that Manafort was at least under investigation going back to 2014, though unclear when monitoring started.

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

11. foreign intel was being obtained and shown (repeatedly) to a court.

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

13. IMO it just shows that the checks were working and the court taking its oversight seriously. If there was a 90-day period where there

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

15. Having explained the process, it's worth noting that Manafort plays a central role in the so-called Steele Dossier

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

17. (though without knowing what it picked up, doesn't confirm every allegation in Dossier)

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

19. b/w Russia and Manafort (and potentially others). But note that gap happened to cover time of Trump Tower meeting.

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

21. Second, identities of USPERS picked up in communications are "masked"…UNLESS knowing who they are is relevant to understanding intel

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

CORRECTION: In point #8 I meant *isn't* obtained, sorry

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) September 18, 2017

This second one is basically the narrative rundown of the video above:

4. In deciding whether to approve an extension of surveillance, the DOJ has to show the FISA court that the surveillance has yielded actual, valuable foreign intelligence information that is relevant to the underlying case, and that target is acting on behalf of foreign intel.

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) January 29, 2018

6. KEY PIECE OF INFORMATION: Keep in mind that once a FISA begins on a USPER, the DOJ has to check in with the court *every 90 days* and provide evidence that they are getting foreign intel in order to extend the FISA for longer. Why is this important?

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) January 29, 2018

8. Again, that December extension would have been reviewed and approved by a federal FISA court judge. And it would have happened well before Rosenstein came on the scene. (This also reveals that the original FISA application had a valid basis.)

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) January 29, 2018

10. In approving an application for an extension in March 2017, Rosenstein would have been looking at whether there was enough new intel from Dec-Mar to justify going back into court. Again, nothing to do with dossier, completely std, and if approved by FISC, clearly warranted.

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) January 29, 2018

Stay frosty!

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129Comments

  1. 1.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 29, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    Adam, last sentence of first graf starts with “either” but doesn’t have an “or.”

  2. 2.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    Welp, McCabe is stepping down from FBI.

  3. 3.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Thanks, I fixed it. I took a phone call while I was writing and clearly my train of thought left the station without me.

  4. 4.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    January 29, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    The lessons Republicans learned from Watergate and Iran / Contra are: circle the wagons, obstruct obstruct obstruct, lie lie lie, and never back down. Probably the only way Trump leaves before 2020 is from a medical problem. The best we can hope for is a Dem wave in 2018 so we can least find out what happened through, we hope, relentless investigations. The Republicans may be able to brazen this out we’ll see…..

  5. 5.

    VOR

    January 29, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    As I understand it, one of their big complaints was the unmasking of names for Susan Rice. I’m of the opinion that the National Security Adviser ought to be able to see any information they damn well please – that’s their job.

  6. 6.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    January 29, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    It’s a good thing you weren’t around in 2013 when the Snowden crap started (or were you?). You would have been pulling your hair out.

  7. 7.

    Ryan

    January 29, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    “Either Congressman Nunes, despite chairing the House Select Permanent Committee on Intelligence, doesn’t understand how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) approves or extends warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”

    or he does, but it’s in his interest to act otherwise. Certainly, this charge sounds as plausible as Uranium One, Clinton’s email server, Improper Unmasking, Fast and Furious, and all the other wingnut phantoms thrown up by the Alternative “Media.”

  8. 8.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    @Corner Stone: Actually he hasn’t finalized what he’s going to do. It is assumed he is retiring sometime in March or April once he becomes fully eligible for retirement. It is not clear yet what he is actually going to do, though I expect he will.

  9. 9.

    Ten Bears

    January 29, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    Have we forgotten they were under scrutiny because they were engaging in treason?

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    January 29, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    Key Republicans hedge on protecting Mueller from Trump
    01/29/18 08:00 AM
    By Steve Benen

    When multiple news organizations confirmed that Donald Trump took steps to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller, a Washington Post analysis noted that the revelation “will create fresh momentum for Congress to take up bipartisan bills to protect Mueller.”

    And in theory, that makes sense. A separate Washington Post piece added that the president targeting Mueller ‘has long been a red line” for most congressional Republicans, though they’d prefer not to act on it. The question is whether “they may be forced to” act in light of new revelations.

    There are two bills in Congress, both of which have some Republican support, that would protect Mueller from being fired by Trump. But neither bill has been seriously considered by leadership.

    Up until this point, Republicans had given Trump the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn’t launch a constitutional crisis. From their perspective, why take action and cause a confrontation with the president (and jeopardize their agenda) if they don’t absolutely have to? Now they may have to.

    …………………..

    As Politico noted, this seems to be the common view among many Republicans on Capitol Hill right now.

    Robert Mueller found little momentum Friday, despite reports Trump attempted to remove the man investigating his campaign’s contacts with Russia last year.

    Democrats described new urgency to protect Mueller after news that Trump ordered top White House lawyer Don McGahn to fire the special counsel, who is also investigating whether Trump has attempted to obstruct the Russia investigation. But the Republicans who control Congress kept mostly silent about the prospect of another attempted Mueller firing – and about the future of two bipartisan bills designed to prevent it.

    There’s no rush, Republicans say, because they don’t see an ongoing threat by Trump to fire Mueller.

  11. 11.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 29, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    So much mess that it’s hard to keep up.

  12. 12.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    @VOR: Even that has a significant and difficult process to get approval.

  13. 13.

    Arm The Homeless

    January 29, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    From previous thread:

    McCabe retiring. Shit is getting real

    Peter Alexander
    Peter Alexander
    @PeterAlexander
    BREAKING: Andrew McCabe, FBI Deputy Director & a frequent Trump target, stepping down.

    https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/958028593988292609?s=17

  14. 14.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: MSNBC is reporting he’s going on “terminal leave” status. I don’t know anything else but for what they just broke in with from Pete Williams.
    He had planned to leave at retirement level in mid March but supposedly due to relentless pressure is taking his leave time to get there.

  15. 15.

    rikyrah

    January 29, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    The bar has already been lowered too much for Trump
    01/29/18 12:30 PM
    By Steve Benen

    Donald Trump spoke on Friday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, where he lied repeatedly about his record and was booed for attacking journalists. Some pundits nevertheless praised the president’s appearance, not because it was necessarily impressive, but because he managed to act “more like a normal president.”

    It sets the stage for tomorrow night’s State of the Union address, and the reaction from many commentators that we already know is coming. Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) published a prediction this morning:

    “I predict that the President will read prepared remarks and pundits will swoon like it’s the Gettysburg Address.”

    It’s hard to blame the senator for his pessimism. After all, we have seen some evidence along these lines.

    A few weeks ago at the White House, Trump hosted a lengthy, televised discussion with lawmakers about immigration policy. During the conversation, the president briefly endorsed the opposite of his stated position, only to be pulled back by a House Republican leader who had to remind Trump what he was supposed to think.

    And yet, because expectations for this president are so low, he drew some media praise. Trump managed to go an hour in public without insulting key constituencies or creating an international incident, and so, benefiting from an overly generous curve, he seemed at least mildly impressive.

  16. 16.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: I read, I didn’t comment as I was a front pager at another site. I think I did my first guest post here sometime in 2014.

  17. 17.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    January 29, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    @Corner Stone: That’s interesting, and not exactly in a good way.

  18. 18.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    @Ryan: Actually, thanks to G&T for the heads up, I went back and finished my thought. So you can read it up top.

  19. 19.

    Starfish

    January 29, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    Should that be “unknown” in the title?

  20. 20.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    @Ten Bears: In Page’s case he was under scrutiny because he was on intercepts of two Russian spies that had been rolled up a few years before. The Russian spies were talking about him and explaining just how stupid he was, so stupid they weren’t sure they could use him as a directed, active asset, but could use him as an unwitting one.

  21. 21.

    Ryan

    January 29, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    “When multiple news organizations confirmed that Donald Trump took steps to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller, a Washington Post analysis noted that the revelation “will create fresh momentum for Congress to take up bipartisan bills to protect Mueller.””

    Then they are not paying attention. They are pretending that the parties are identical, when in fact, the Republicans are acting in such a craven matter, they no longer are interested in performing even their oversight role over the executive.

  22. 22.

    Ryan

    January 29, 2018 at 12:42 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Just saw it, totally agree.

  23. 23.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 29, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    JUST IN: CBS News confirms Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe has stepped down from his post. He will officially retire in March, but is now on leave.

    — Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) January 29, 2018

  24. 24.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: @Corner Stone: Now I’m tracking. I had done a quick keyword search for news about him after CS’s comment, but couldn’t find anything. Again, this is not surprising. Terminal leave will off ramp him to his full retirement. He probably has so much paid time off built up that by the time he burns through it, he’ll be well past the fully vested date.

    To be honest, this isn’t surprising. He really can’t go any higher in the FBI as a career employee – even one serving in a political appointment billet. If he retires now, he get’s his full retirement and he’ll quickly be picked up by a white shoe law firm, as well as likely being named a senior fellow at a think tank or two. Waiting doesn’t get him anything in terms of future earning potential. And he’s been talking about doing this in this way for several years.

  25. 25.

    MJS

    January 29, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    @Corner Stone: I assume there is some level of confidentiality expected from recent FBI retirees, but I also expect that McCabe didn’t sign an NDA with Trump, so who knows what we’ll learn from McCabe. Here’s hoping we see him on Rachel soon after his retirement.

  26. 26.

    Starfish

    January 29, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    @rikyrah: Jay Rosen has a piece on why the pundits do that.

    If nothing the president says can be trusted, reporting what the president says becomes absurd. You can still do it, but it’s hard to respect what you are doing. If the president doesn’t know anything, the solemnity of the presidency becomes a joke. That’s painful. If they can, people flee that kind of pain. In political journalism there is enough room for interpretive maneuver to do just that.

    This is “normalization.” This is what “tonight he became president” is about. This is why he’s called “transactional,” why a turn to bipartisanship is right now being test-marketed by headline writers. This is why “deal-making” is said to be afoot when there is barely any evidence of a deal.

    What they have to report brings ruin to what they have to respect. So they occasionally revise it into something they can respect: at least a little.

  27. 27.

    charluckles

    January 29, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    They had a tremendous amount of knowledge about hinky business going down in the Trump campaign. Comey and the FBIs communication with the media and Congress in regards to the Clinton and Trump campaigns was disgraceful at best. I suppose that’s common thought, but I am outraged at what those FBI affair emails seem to suggest. An FBI that felt totally self-assured that Trump would never win and an FBI that felt it needed to put a check on Hillary Clinton and then they interfered in the election.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    @Starfish: I don’t kow what you’re talking about.

    Thanks for catching that.

  29. 29.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    I just want to mention that McCabe taking his accrued leave now until his retirement is not so very unusual in any field. But I suspect he was happy to figure out which day he could leave such that his accrued time lasted until his date of retirement. In other words, his leaving now is not a big surprise, but the pressure he was under to do so as soon as possible may be part of a criminal conspiracy….

  30. 30.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 29, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    @rikyrah: Isn’t it ironic, that there is a higher bar to become a permanent resident of this country than to become its president. Sad.

  31. 31.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 29, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    Here’s one of my senators, a Democrat. Timing suggests that this has to do with McCabe stepping down.

    There will be consequences if it becomes clear that President Trump abused his presidential power, tampered with an active investigation, or obstructed justice. #ProtectMueller

    — Martin Heinrich (@MartinHeinrich) January 29, 2018

  32. 32.

    Death Panel Truck

    January 29, 2018 at 12:52 pm

    Do you not know how put a long post below the fold? Or do you just refuse to do it?

  33. 33.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    McCabe can go any time he likes. IMO, it’s the “why now” that matters. Personal? A nice offer elsewhere? Great for him!
    However, I’d like to hear him say it. I doubt he’ll be vocal about this either way, but again IMO, if he says nothing then it will be easy to suspect the worst.

  34. 34.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    Nunes’ designated purpose in shoveling dirt is to muddy the waters. His actions are not undertaken in a vacuum, he is a willing, malleable and complicit servant/stooge.

  35. 35.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 12:58 pm

    @charluckles:

    I suppose that’s common thought, but I am outraged at what those FBI affair emails seem to suggest.

    Which emails and what do they seem to suggest?

  36. 36.

    Librarian

    January 29, 2018 at 12:58 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam, please. There’s no apostrophe in “gets”.

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    @Death Panel Truck: I refuse to do it.

  38. 38.

    Starfish

    January 29, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    @Death Panel Truck: He doesn’t kow how to spell so cut him some slack.

  39. 39.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    @Librarian: Youll live.

  40. 40.

    Epicurus

    January 29, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    Either Congressman Nunes, despite chairing the House Select Permanent Committee on Intelligence, doesn’t understand how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) approves or extends warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or he’s being disingenuous in pursuit of political objectives.

    I’ll take Door #2, Monty; what do I win?

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    @Starfish: Thak you!

  42. 42.

    burnspbesq

    January 29, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    Either Congressman Nunes, despite chairing the House Select Permanent Committee on Intelligence, doesn’t understand how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) approves or extends warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or he’s being disingenuous in pursuit of political objectives.

    Those things are not mutually exclusive.

  43. 43.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: The 101st Fighting Pedants are after there pound of flesh today!

  44. 44.

    catclub

    January 29, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    @Ryan:

    “create fresh momentum for Congress to take up bipartisan bills to protect Mueller.”

    Yep, all those statements need to be prefaced with “this latest outrage, under what used to be called normal circumstances, would”

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    @Corner Stone: Apparently. Who kew?

  46. 46.

    Starfish

    January 29, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    The 101st Fighting Pedants are after there pound of flesh today!

    This really should be one of the rotating taglines. I forget how to submit suggestions to add new ones.

  47. 47.

    catclub

    January 29, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    @Death Panel Truck: I would not mind a long post above the fold if those twitter-clouds did not waste space in such an irritating manner – and take longer to load.

    Maybe if the twitter storyline was converted to one image it would not be so bad.

    I also would like a pony.

  48. 48.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    @catclub:

    I also would like a pony.

    Let me make a call.

  49. 49.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    @Death Panel Truck:

    Do you not know how put a long post …

    Is this some kind of Asian linguistic stereotyping effort a la Charlie Chan?

  50. 50.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    @Librarian: There is, as Betty C. call’s it, in the Greengrocer’s world.

  51. 51.

    catclub

    January 29, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I was just reading a memo that taking terminal leave, right up to the retirement date, is frowned upon,
    but is not quite forbidden ( maybe I will check the illegal part).

    goes checking:
    ++Which is the right choice? Taking the lump sum. The simple reason is that you’re not supposed to take leave on your way out the door. The comptroller general has ruled that federal managers cannot grant an employee “terminal leave” if they know in advance that the employee is going to separate from federal service when the leave is used up. ++

  52. 52.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2018 at 1:11 pm

    @catclub: I would be interested in learning more about this memo — is it a DOJ memo?

  53. 53.

    Suzanne

    January 29, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    @Corner Stone: This seems bad.

  54. 54.

    jc

    January 29, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    Nunes and the Freedom Caucus freaks are manufacturing this selective smear campaign (Deep State Secret Society, oh my) because they know that the gullible Trump-voting base will fall for it and make a stink. It’s how they roll. And they’ll keep trying to get away with this crap unless the Dems kick them in the teeth, figuratively.

  55. 55.

    tobie

    January 29, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    Last week we were all praising Christopher Wray for protecting the independence of the FBI and not bowing to pressure from Trump to fire McCabe. That now seems like a deliberate and misleading leak from the Wray camp. My guess would be that he kicked McCabe to the curb and with that weakened yet another pillar of our democracy (i.e., the idea that the law is supreme over any individual including the head of state).

  56. 56.

    Librarian

    January 29, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    @Immanentize: There’s none in “calls”, either.

  57. 57.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 29, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    Personally, I think Nunes doesn’t want the memo released, because then it can be debunked. He just wants to keep threatening to release it, like McCarthy’s list of communist plants.

  58. 58.

    Miss Bianca

    January 29, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: If you’re making calls about ponies, I want one too! (please)

  59. 59.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    @Librarian: Glad you got the joke!

  60. 60.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 29, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    @catclub: Where I worked, taking terminal leave up until the last day was a neutral sort of thing. I would expect it to be so in other parts of the government, but I don’t know that for a fact. It could be that Trump knew McCabe had his retirement planned and made noise so he could take credit for running him out. Or it could be that McCabe, as a possible witness against Trump, decided that he would be slimed less if he left now.

  61. 61.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Actually you were the person I was going to call. So much for that idea.

  62. 62.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    What is the “Lajes’ protocol”? Is it somehow related to the Lajes Field Honor Guard?

  63. 63.

    Suzanne

    January 29, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    @tobie: Or McCabe was threatened.

  64. 64.

    Yutsano

    January 29, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    @tobie: McCabe had been planning his retirement for a year. If he wants to be done all we can do is wish him well and hope his acting is somewhat competent.

  65. 65.

    Miss Bianca

    January 29, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: LOL! We have one up at the ranch, but he’s a stinker! So maybe we can palm him off on someone else!

  66. 66.

    tobie

    January 29, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: CNN is reporting that McCabe was asked to step down this morning. He went home on Friday expecting to come back to work on Monday. As far as I can tell the only person in the FBI who can remove the Deputy Director is the Director, which would be Wray.

  67. 67.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 29, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    The 101st Fighting Pedants are after there pound of flesh today!

    Oh, you!!

  68. 68.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    Just talked to a source in Moscow who is close to the Foreign Ministry. "The whole world is laughing at America," he said. "America has never been as ridiculous as it is now.

    — Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) January 29, 2018

  69. 69.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    1-800–BRONIES.

    (Not intended to be an accurate statement.)

  70. 70.

    tobie

    January 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    @Suzanne: @Yutsano: As I just posted, CNN said he was removed from office. He didn’t choose to use his vacation days till his retirement.

  71. 71.

    catclub

    January 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    @Immanentize: so not actually a memo, but a google search for “terminal leave federal retirement”

    finds the link I quoted – and others. Also I updated my post.

  72. 72.

    Yutsano

    January 29, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    @NotMax: I’ll laugh if that number actually works.

    No I’m not going to try it.

  73. 73.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    @catclub:

    Interesting, because I’m just now seeing Sean Spicer blowharding on MSNBC that this is no big deal: you just back out how many days of vacation you have left from your end date and there you go.

    By the way, this is the first time I have seen Spicer on MSNBC, so I wonder if this is the beginning of his “rehabilitation.” Also, his memoir, The Briefing, will be out in July, so we’ve got that to look forward to.

  74. 74.

    Miss Bianca

    January 29, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    @tobie: FWIW, I was not one of the ones throwing bouquets around about Wray. I trust no one – absolutely no one – who has consented to take a post in the Trump Administration. I figure that to a man or woman they are either corrupt, incompetent, or have crappy moral values – or are a creamy and delicious blend of all of the above.

  75. 75.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 29, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    @Immanentize:

    taking his accrued leave now until his retirement is not so very unusual in any field.

    Since I have a pretty significant amount of accrued leave, and am starting to think about retirement, I’ve started researching this. I’m not a big fan right now of the idea of a lump sum, because of the tax implications, but my HR deapertment is telling me that’;s what I have to do because of the way pension is calculated/paid (I’m one of those dinosaurs with a defined-benefit pension.)

    I’m far from an expert yet, but most people I know with accrued leave have worked up until their separation date and taken the lump sum payment.

  76. 76.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    @Steeplejack: I’ve mentioned Lajes here before, but something of an inside joke. Nunes has been trying to relocate as much of the US’s foreign intelligence and intelligence collection capability to Lajes since he got to Congress. His family from there, he still has relatives there, his family still has business and property holdings there. Even before the insanity he’s created over the past year, he’d already pissed off just about anyone who is anyone in the US intel community, as well as our British allies over this as it would relocate everything we’ve got colocated in Britain.

  77. 77.

    catclub

    January 29, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    after there pound of flesh today!

    ‘after three pound of flesh’
    ‘after they’re pound of flesh’
    ‘after theri pound of flesh’ (my typo specialty)
    ‘after their pond of fish’

  78. 78.

    Served

    January 29, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    There’s a chance McCabe is a sacrificial lamb to keep Trump off Mueller and Wray for the time being.

  79. 79.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    @Librarian:

    Jesus, it was part of the joke about greengrocer’s spelling, i.e., lots of misplaced apostrophes.

  80. 80.

    Chris

    January 29, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Read somebody elsewhere (think it was LGM) say that in Russia, Trump is not infrequently referred to (on the street, by regular people, that is) as “our сука in the White House.”

    Don’t know if it’s true or not, but I find it plausible in the extreme.

  81. 81.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 29, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    @Chris: Sounds about right. That’s what my Russian friend was telling me. She was in Russia this fall.

  82. 82.

    catclub

    January 29, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I’m far from an expert yet,

    for a simple thing it is quite complicated:
    Do you get paid your regular salary and also any 401k matches for (say) two months, plus get two more months service to calculate the final
    pension amount?

    OR: Do you get (say) two more months of annuity, plus the lump sum of leave accrued (two months salary)?

    I think door two is slightly better.

  83. 83.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    January 29, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: At least the black dude isn’t POTUS anymore, that’s the main thing.

  84. 84.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 1:39 pm

    @Chris:

    Why not just say “our bitch in the White House”? Or is there some nuanced interpretation of сука that means we should all individually go to Google Translate to find the answer?

  85. 85.

    tobie

    January 29, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I agree that anyone who chooses to work in an executive function with this administration should be treated with suspicion. They’re not doing this work out of patriotism. They are collaborators.

  86. 86.

    Chris

    January 29, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Ah, I might just be remembering what you said, then.

  87. 87.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 29, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    This is interesting.

    Former federal prosecutor: If memo is released, I will call for criminal investigation of Nunes https://t.co/pPQRDACcDh

    — MSNBC (@MSNBC) January 29, 2018

  88. 88.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    Man, that was a long segment with Sean Spicer. Craig Melvin asked him a few good questions, but Spicer mainly just bloviated the same way he did in the White House.

  89. 89.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 29, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    Looks like McCabe’s leaving could be almost anything. Does seem strange that he would choose to leave on a Monday. I guess we’re going to have to wait for more information.

  90. 90.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    @catclub: thanks!

  91. 91.

    HAL

    January 29, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    Preserving the Presidency of Donald Trump at all costs is an odd hill to die on. Nunes must be banking on a lucrative post Congress offer from the Koch brothers to be willing to go this far. An all out assault on the fbi as an organizational whole just seems stupid and short sighted.

  92. 92.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I guess we’re going to have to wait for more information.

    Somebody needs to find Cheryl ASAP and get her medical attention of some kind. She’s clearly had a bad fall and hit her head.

  93. 93.

    jl

    January 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm

    Nunes needs to go after that Deep State unfair to Trump loser ratfink James Madison. Madison started this wild talk about being able to impeach, convict and remove a president for pardoning and firing people for the ‘corrupt’ motive of protecting himself from so-called ‘laws’.

    Stop the Madison anti-Trump coup plotting!

    Edit: and Madison has not done any great work lately, and no one is talking about him anymore.

  94. 94.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    but Spicer mainly just bloviated the same way he did in the White House.

    I was a little miffed they invited him on for any reason. However, I gave him the chance to truthfully answer the first question. When he started his “Trump Defense Mode” package I put it on mute and went and made a glass of chocolate milk. That segment did seem to last forever.

  95. 95.

    J R in WV

    January 29, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    @Death Panel Truck:

    Fuck you for being a picky republican bastard.

    How do you like your pie, hot or cold? Fruit or not? With Ice cream on top, or on the side, or not at all?

  96. 96.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    I forgot for a moment that Craig Melvin is mostly an idiot. He just played the snippet of Hillary Clinton reading from Fire and Fury and then asked former Senator Barbara Boxer: “What does that accomplish? What does that do besides just fuel the partisan divide?”

    To her credit, Boxer started her response with “I think we need to lighten up about it, frankly.”

  97. 97.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 29, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    @Corner Stone: I agree that the probability is that McCabe has been forced out, but the info swirling around right now is just too varied, and the possibilities are too many.

    I’ll wait.

  98. 98.

    SFAW

    January 29, 2018 at 1:53 pm

    @Librarian:

    There’s none in “calls”, either.

    Nor in “useless pedantry,” as far a’s I know.

  99. 99.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 1:58 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: In case it was not clear, that was a jab at the BJ jackals’ commenting policy. Rule #1 is that we never wait for more information or context but immediately trot out the worst possible take on any ill defined event.
    Rule #2 is to greet new Front Page posters with any/all variations of FU! Now where are your pet pics?
    Rule #3 is all dogs are good dogs, and in fact, the best dogs.

  100. 100.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 29, 2018 at 1:58 pm

    @Corner Stone: I’m not sure about the emails in particular, but so far the revealed communications indicate a lack of interest in investigating Trump at the very same time they were going whole-hog after Hillary Clinton. Some of this was due to the fact that they believed Trump would not win the election, so were disinclined to spend resources on him.

    This is what the references to an “insurance plan” from the GOP come from. They’re trying to spin it as a “we’ll take down Trump one way or the other” when in fact it was “We’re letting Trump off easy because he’s an unstable racist bastard with obvious criminal ties, so let’s maybe not spend all our time investigating someone who won’t be president.”

  101. 101.

    zhena gogolia

    January 29, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    Hey, I’ve met her. Nice lady.

  102. 102.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 29, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    @Steeplejack: There is no nuanced interpretation of that word that I’m aware of.

  103. 103.

    SFAW

    January 29, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This is interesting.

    I think Figliuzzi should do a test run now, not wait for the memo to be released.

    Traitors all the way down. Ryan, McConnell, Nunes, King, Jordan, Dense, Kushner, Shitgibbon …. I’ll run out of pixels before I run out of names to include.

  104. 104.

    Chip Daniels

    January 29, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    She needs a “source” to give us the observation that the whole world is laughing at us?

    Those Brazilian game show hostesses with the rhinestone pasties are laughing at us. African dictators are shaking their heads, alternating between pity and schadenfruede.

  105. 105.

    Jonny Scrum-half

    January 29, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    If – and that’s a big contingency – the story of the Trump-Russia collusion is that Page and Manafort were compromised, but nothing more than that, then I don’t see why the Republicans (or even Trump) are making such a big deal out of the investigation. If that’s all there is, I’m not saying that it’s not significant news, but it’s not something that really should be a problem for Trump or the Republicans. They could just respond by letting the investigation play out, taking steps to reduce vulnerabilities to similar things in the future, and moving on pretty unscathed.

    But that’s not how Trump or the Republicans are responding. I wonder why.

  106. 106.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 29, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    @Corner Stone: I was not aware of Rule #1! Very helpful!

    I have a post in preparation to meet Rule #2 later this week. Actually, I did when I came on as a front pager.

  107. 107.

    jl

    January 29, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I think the word itself is a euphemism. Too high class for Trump. Russian doesn’t have anything for ‘dipshit’? It is reputed to be an expressive language. My attempts to learn it have been so disastrous I wouldn’t know.

  108. 108.

    different-church-lady

    January 29, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    Exhuming McCarthy.

  109. 109.

    different-church-lady

    January 29, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    @Corner Stone: Cheryl’s been violating the “rules” from the get-go.

  110. 110.

    oldgold

    January 29, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    Someone should ask the Republicans who see no urgency in protecting Mueller, if they only purchase fire insurance after seeing flames.

  111. 111.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 2:11 pm

    @HAL:

    Preserving the Presidency of Donald Trump at all costs is an odd hill to die on. Nunes must be banking on a lucrative post Congress offer from the Koch brothers to be willing to go this far.

    I think (hope) that the answer is a more existential threat: Nunes, and the Republican leadership in Congress, may be so deep in kompromat and/​or receiving Russian or Russian-adjacent funds that he fears what Mueller and the FBI will find as an offshoot of the Trump investigation.

  112. 112.

    jl

    January 29, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    @oldgold: They don’t mind having arsonists in the family?

  113. 113.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 29, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    @oldgold: “Do you only purchase fire insurance after seeing the flames, or do you think it might be wise after receiving several threats that someone is about to burn your house down?”

    Let’s make it clearer.

  114. 114.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Agreed. It left me so spent that when they went to the Possum Queen at the White House I switched over to the Music Choice jazz channel. Somebody else will have to tag in.

  115. 115.

    oldgold

    January 29, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    !

  116. 116.

    jl

    January 29, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    @Steeplejack: We’ll have to see where the NRA lead goes. And, I remember seeing news reports last summer about regional GOP operatives and campaign consultants sho had contacts with, and maybe getting data from those mysterious email hacker related sites in ex-Soviet countries. One guy worked on GOP campaigns in Florida. That story seems to have completely dropped out of the news. I wish I remembered the name of the guy. I search for news stories on it once in a while out of curiosity, but have never found anything.

  117. 117.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    That was slightly irritated sarcasm. I don’t see the point of dropping in Russian—or any foreign language—rather than the English translation unless there is some nuance that would be lost or that needs to be flagged. It just comes across as some “Look, I can do Cyrillic!” affectation.

  118. 118.

    Millard Filmore

    January 29, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I think (hope) that the answer is a more existential threat: Nunes, and the Republican leadership in Congress, may be so deep in kompromat and/​or receiving Russian or Russian-adjacent funds that he fears what Mueller and the FBI will find as an offshoot of the Trump investigation.

    Its got to be way too late for that. My guess is that Mueller already knows enough to hang them all, and this part of the process is political. As in NO MISTAKES.

  119. 119.

    efgoldman

    January 29, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    @Immanentize:

    I just want to mention that McCabe taking his accrued leave now until his retirement is not so very unusual in any field.

    One of mrs efg’s uncles, a senior inspector in the MA DMV, accrued almost to full years if paid leave he took before his retirement. I don’t think they can do that any more.

  120. 120.

    Steeplejack

    January 29, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    @Millard Filmore:

    It’s probably too late for what Mueller has found (or will find). But their strategy now is to tar the FBI and the investigation so that when the information comes out it can be discredited as a “witch hunt.”

  121. 121.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 2:31 pm

    @jl: I think you may mean Aaron Nevins.
    How Alleged Russian Hacker Teamed Up With Florida GOP Operative
    “Learning that hacker “Guccifer 2.0” had tapped into a Democratic committee that helps House candidates, Mr. Nevins wrote to the hacker to say: “Feel free to send any Florida based information.”

    Ten days later, Mr. Nevins received 2.5 gigabytes of Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee documents, some of which he posted on a blog called HelloFLA.com that he ran using a pseudonym.

    Soon after, the hacker sent a link to the blog article to Roger Stone, a longtime informal adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump, along with Mr. Nevins’ analysis of the hacked data. ”

    That is the WSJ but I am sure you can find more about him if that’s the incident you are referring to.

  122. 122.

    SFAW

    January 29, 2018 at 2:41 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    It just comes across as some “Look, I can do Cyrillic!” affectation.

    Спасибо for that, товарищ

  123. 123.

    different-church-lady

    January 29, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    @oldgold: They’re arsonists, and they’re not doing it for the insurance money — they just enjoy watching things burn.

  124. 124.

    Mike G

    January 29, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    of the Freedom Caucus

    It’s long past time to acknowledge that use of “Freedom” as a political has become a sad joke, just as back in the day “People’s” came to stand for all manner of regimes unrepresentative of their populations.

  125. 125.

    efgoldman

    January 29, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    @jl:

    Madison has not done any great work lately, and no one is talking about him anymore.

    Professor Pierce talks about him all the time.
    Of course, to know that someone would actually have to read and comprehend.

  126. 126.

    low-tech cyclist

    January 29, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    This was extremely interesting reading, Adam – thanks for posting this!

  127. 127.

    Millard Filmore

    January 29, 2018 at 2:51 pm

    @Steeplejack: Agreed. The Republican Party will turn from discredit Mueller into full Treason mode. This country’s crash, both politically and economically, will be spectacular.

  128. 128.

    zhena gogolia

    January 29, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I resemble that remark.

  129. 129.

    Corner Stone

    January 29, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    @zhena gogolia: That’s ok. We all know you’re fakin’ it til you make it.

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