Thursday Morning Open Thread: Shocker – Trump Thinks He Can Talk Himself Out of Mueller’s Inquiry

(John Deering via

Surprise! — his lawyers / enablers are less confident…

Kicker — count on the NYTimes Trump-fluffers to find the bright side:

147 replies
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    ThresherK says:

    FTFNYH. The H is for Haberman.

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    Baud says:

    If Trump were a good candidate, he wouldn’t have needed the NYT’s help.

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    Quinerly says:

    The whole impromptu presser is well worth a listen.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning Everyone 😄😄😄

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    rikyrah says:

    Morning to Poco and the tribe 😄😻

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Quinerly says:

    WSJ reporting John Kerry considering a 2020 run.

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    Baud says:

    @Quinerly: I respect Kerry, but that would be a poor decision.

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    Chyron HR says:

    He’ll use the same excuse he used to not release his tax returns

    What, “I can’t testify while I’m under investigation”?

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    Baud says:

    Off topic, I’m impressed with the unity and message discipline that corporations have shown in selling the tax cut they received.

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    Baud says:

    @Chyron HR:

    “I can’t testify because I’m guilty.”

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Quinerly: running for the presidency – of which country?

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    Quinerly says:

    @Baud: Would be an insane decision. In related news, Poco is awake….and basking in the glow of his BJ “photo spread.” He’s pretty full of himself this AM and it might take more than that cheese bribe to his PACK to keep him from running for the top of the ticket.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning from Poco and his campaign manager! Poco is digging his BJ “On the Road” press.


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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Drumpf said he said he was only “fighting back” against the charges of collusion when he fired Comey.

    I’m sure Mueller will appreciate that.

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    @Baud: I’ve noticed that as well, “Makes it easier for us to fire our employees”.

    @Baud: Agree, I don’t see him getting much traction.

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    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    Drumpf said he said he was only “fighting back” against the charges of collusion when he fired Comey.

    Wait, I thought the Republicans said “collusion” was A-OK? Now, I’m confused.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Kicker — count on the NYTimes Trump-fluffers to find the bright side to focus on Hillary


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    danielx says:


    Good morning to you.

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    danielx says:

    More to come from Trump impromptu presser w reporters, where he complained at end that we only say Clinton was a “bad candidate. You never say I was a good candidate.”

    — Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) January 24, 2018

    A bottomless pit of need.

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    Baud says:

    Kay, for you.

    Historically, public-sector unions have focused their attention almost entirely on negotiating for higher wages and better benefits. These days, though, many are showing up at the bargaining table to fight not just for themselves but also for the people they serve — like students, foster children and taxpayers.

    “Unions in past decades were largely in the habit of servicing their members,” says Dan McGrath, executive director of TakeAction Minnesota, a progressive advocacy group. “Now they’re asking themselves to be at the edge of social change.”

    Many cite the 2012 strike by the Chicago Teachers Union as a seminal moment in what’s called bargaining for the common good. That’s when the union began to use its power to push progress beyond pay and benefits. By 2015, the union’s new contract included several requirements to help students, such as access to medical or mental health services and the expansion of after-school programs.

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    Cermet says:

    Morning everyone but really surprised that no BJ posters bothered to note, using a thread, that Ursula K. Le Guin passed, yesterday. I guess musicians are special people (also, apparently male) but someone who really addressed issues that woman faced in our society and was also a brilliant and successful writer isn’t important enough to get their interest here. She always noted how writers of SF or fantasy are always ignored for so-called ‘more serious’ writers. Guess it holds true here, as well.

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    Feebog says:

    Being on the left coast I am never awake to comment on the early morning thread. But the knee is killing me tonight so I’m watching a little Morning Joe, hoping it will put me to sleep. So good morning everyone, and hopefully goodnight.

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    ThresherK says:

    @danielx: Which one? Or both Trump.and Haberman?

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    Chet says:

    To say you welcome an investigation and will “of course” testify under oath if necessary is standard politician stuff.

    But we know Trump’s next move. He will pivot from this to the same statement with the qualifier “…as long as I’m sure that I’ll be treated fairly.” Then it will be back to calling it a witch hunt. When he’s eventually subpoenaed, he’ll complain about how mean it was since he was willing to testify all along.

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    TS says:

    Morning Ho still trying to equate President Obama to trump – he just HAS to attack Obama and Clinton – will still be doing this long after trump is gone from the planet

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    Baud says:

    @TS: If we’re lucky, in 2021, he’ll move on to attacking the next Dem president.

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    p.a. says:

    The Party of Goldwater paraphrases itself: stupidity in defense of electoral victory is no vice.

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    danielx says:

    Maybe I’ve missed it, but has Trump discussed the Stormy Daniels…thing publicly in any way?

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    Gretchen says:

    @Cermet: it was all over bh yesterday.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Cermet: many many people here wrote amazing paeans to that great novelist. Long heartfelt, well thought through comments. Some were moving and described how Ms. La Guin impacted their lives. Others got nerdy and discussed great themes that resonate today. I am sorry you missed all that.

    And to add, my absolute least favorite genre of comment are scolding, “front page what I want!” Start your own blog for such purposes — it’s easy to do! And you can follow your personal interests without having to be all offended.

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    @Baud: …and Obama and Clinton.

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    kd bart says:

    Maggie has to maintain that access. Her book depends on it.

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    clay says:

    @kd bart: The title of her book should be “Access: The Inside Story of How One Reporter Got and Maintaned Access”.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Yes, so many people to hate, so little time.

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    danielx says:

    Rob Major‏ @RobMajor4
    Replying to @HoarseWisperer

    Best idea I’ve seen: make Mueller’s deposition of Trump a Pay-Per-View event. With the money that pours in, they could pay for the Wall, Universal Health Care For All, plus pay the whole damn National Debt Off all in one go.

    The idea has merit….

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    debbie says:


    Have any of them shown any inclination to pass the benefits onto their employees?

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    Gvg says:

    @Cermet: you are late and haven’t bothered to read the threads. It was in almost every thread yesterday.

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    debbie says:

    JFC, I just heard an NPR interview with Senator Ron Johnson. What a loon, but his refusal to answer questions and instead babble on without end was ridiculous. NPR needs to make their interviewees sign a non-interruption agreement. Nothing was gained in that conversation.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: Yes. That’s how they are selling it.

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    debbie says:


    Any actual changes yet, or is it still all just talk? I’m not sure it will ever get past talk.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: I don’t know if they’ve implemented it yet, but it’ll be hard to walk back announced raises and benefits.

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    Booger says:

    @Cermet: look again.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Baud: bring on as many old white guys as possible to split that vote.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Baud: there is a PR firm working behind the scenes, possibly even with an NDA. Book it.

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    MomSense says:

    It certainly is interesting to see how twitchy these Republicans are about the Russia investigation. From the extent of their feeakout, I’m thinking the Mueller reveal is going to be yuuge..

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    debbie says:


    Oh, Baud! You give them far too much credit! ;)

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    rikyrah says:

    Dolt45 isn’t remotely on the same planet, let alone level as 44.

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    The Republican-led Senate on Wednesday narrowly approved Sam Brownback’s bid to be U.S. ambassador for international religious freedom

    Irony is dead.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @debbie: My impression is that they have passed benefits onto employees by laying them off. More free time for former employees, less expense for company. Win win.

    Now where is that sarcasm font?

    Good morning, all

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @debbie: I’ve seen Ron Johnson in a few hearings and he truly does not come across as the sharpest knife in the drawer. How WisConsin picked this moron over Feingold is a nmystery. One of the hearings was questioning HRC.

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    rikyrah says:

    One of the panelist on MSNBC last night made the observation that yesterday was the first time that Dolt45 said ‘ No obstruction’. He’s been lying about ‘No collusion’ for awhile. Good catch by her.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Wait till he finds out that’s not a real country.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Can the President really be compelled to testify? Suppose he just keeps saying no, is somebody going to arrest him?

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    Peale says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): thousands of positions left unfilled, but that one? At least he landed somewhere where he pretty much will be left to a staff two.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @MomSense: whatever our fantasies are about the Russia stuff, I think it’s in total going to be ten times bigger. Nobody works this hard to hide stuff if it isn’t really really awful.

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    WereBear says:

    @mai naem mobile: Nobody works this hard to hide stuff if it isn’t really really awful.

    At this point I simply assume Republican = Criminal Mind

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    debbie says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    Yeah, he was deflecting a lot onto Clinton during the interview.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @debbie: They give out bonuses or little pay hikes, or hire a few employees, and tout to the heavens that this was because of Trump’s wonderful tax reform. Pay no attention to the mass layoffs behind the curtain.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Peale: do we even have am ambassador to Afghanistan yet? We don’t have one to Saudi Arabia. I don’t even think we have one for all the big European countries.

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    ThresherK says:

    @clay: Mags should title it

    Access: How I Lost the Dignity I DIdn’t Have to Begin With

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    @Matt McIrvin:

    Can the President really be compelled to testify?

    Yes, US v. Nixon.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Matt McIrvin: I think that was resolved when they want after Bill Clinton .

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    zhena gogolia says:


    There was no thread for Dorothy Malone either, but I don’t have a blog.

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    bystander says:

    I was just watching Mitch Landrieu on Moanin’ Joe, and the thought struck me, could he be a good candidate for POTUS? Then, Joe starts talking about what an “attractive” candidate Landrieu is. Which really made me worry since I generally want to be more than arm’s length from any Scarborough Rule.

    But is Landrieu possible? Some secret New Orleans pervasive corruption that taints everyone?

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    Baud says:

    @bystander: Everyone except Hillary is going to be a candidate on the Dem side.

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    Mike in DC says:

    And Jones v Clinton. Though Trump could fight a subpoena and maybe buy himself a year before SCOTUS rules against him.

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    bystander says:

    @zhena gogolia: That would be quite a short thread.

    I’m just sorry Dorothy didn’t live long enough to see a Poopeez ad.

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    bystander says:

    @Baud: You were so right to claim your own field. Now work on that faint, indeterminate Southern accent.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @mai naem mobile: Sure, they can compel him legally, but I’m wondering about this in the “power comes from the barrel of a gun” sense. Nobody actually had to arrest Bill Clinton. Is a US Marshal, say, going to be physically able to walk past the Secret Service and Trump Org bodyguards or whatever and put the President in handcuffs?

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    Nelle says:

    @Peale: On the other hand, we in Kansas will be rid of him though really, for the last few months, he’s just been going through the motions. Now Kobach is itching to take his place and an independent, with the possibility of splitting the Democratic vote, just entered the race, giving Kobach a better chance.

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    @Mike in DC: I would think US v. Nixon would be more on point. Jones v. Clinton was a private civil suit and weren’t they just asking to be able to sue Clinton?

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    tobie says:

    @Quinerly: @Baud: I know I’m in the minority here but I’d be very excited if Kerry would run. He’s brilliant, articulate, a solid liberal, and he’s the only politician I can think of who could repair our reputation abroad.

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    Baud says:


    As the only leading candidate who thinks Hillary supporters are a constituency worth pursuing, I think I’ve got a good shot.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Matt McIrvin: he can be forced to appear in front of a grand jury via a subpoena. But once there, he does have the right to refuse to answer questions on the grounds that they may incriminate him (5th Amendment).

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    Chyron HR says:


    Yes, but all but one of the prospective candidates will be denounced as the “Clinton wing of the party.”

    One thing I wonder/fear: What happens if the junior senator from Vermont doesn’t run, and two Our Revolutionaries step up, both claiming to have inherited his divine will? Will the alleged left refuse to vote if EITHER of them doesn’t win the primary?

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    Baud says:

    @tobie: He’s a solid guy, but I don’t see him as a compelling campaigner, especially now at his age and with his history.

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    @Matt McIrvin: The Secret Service will obey any lawful court order.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    approved Sam Brownback’s bid to be U.S. ambassador for international religious freedom

    As many of you know, I’m currently in line to be Ambassador to Merry Christmas.

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    Baud says:

    @Chyron HR: My nightmare scenario is that there are so many candidates that no one comes close to a majority and You Know Who is the top delegate winner with about 25%.

    But very unlikely.

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    Baud says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: When I’m elected, would you be willing to serve as Ambassador to Happy Holidays.

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    Lurking Canadian says:

    What is a “perjury trap”? Is that when the prosecutor asks a question he already knows the answer to, expecting the witness to lie?

    Seems like an easy trap to avoid by the simple expedient of not lying after you’ve made a solemn vow to NOT LIE.

    Of course, it’s Trump. The man has never kept a promise in his life; probably no reason to expect him to start now

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    @Baud: It will be OK to say “Happy Holidays” again in the Baud adminsitration?

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Not only will it be ok to say, you’ll actually mean it.

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    @Baud: You have to win a majority(not a plurality) of the delegates.

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    tobie says:

    @Baud: Well, you and he would definitely be competing for the same constituency! I don’t know if you’ve seen him in the past few years–I had the good fortune to see him a few years ago at the Paris climate summit and was struck at how energetic he was. I expected him to be statesmanlike and he didn’t disappoint.

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    debbie says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I know where I work, they’re crowing about the bonuses they had announced they were handing out back in December.

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    debbie says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    There can only be so many threads in a day. Not that any of them stick to the topic.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Right. If no one had it in the first round, there would be multiple rounds of voting, which would not end well.

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    oldgold says:

    Mueller’s perjury trap: “Mr. President, How tall are you and how much do you weigh?”

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    @debbie: All threads are open threads, that’s an unwritten rule here at Balloon Juice.

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    Starfish says:

    I feel like this reaction on a Haberman thread was perfect and underappreciated.

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    @tobie: Sec. Kerry would be 76 on election day and 77 upon taking the oath if he won. Isn’t that a tad bit old?

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Matt McIrvin: also, too: “Mr. Marshall has his ruling. Now let him enforce it.” and “How many divisions does the Pope have?”

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    Peale says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: yes. Oprah at 67 is looking youthful by comparison.

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    @tobie: He’s old enough to be dead. Old white people need to get out of the way, and I say that as an old white person.

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    Immanentize says:

    John Kerry will be 76 before 2020. He is 2 1/2 years older than Donald Trump.

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    @Immanentize: At least he’s not a Boomer.

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    Eric S. says:

    @debbie: My company, owners of several midwest utility companies are in the process of changing our rates so the money stays with our customers. I have no delusion this is being done for altruistic reasons. We are regulated monopolies with a guaranteed but called ROI.

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    bystander says:

    @Lurking Canadian: It’s only a perjury trap when twitler provides the answers. When it’s posed to a profligate about his private affair with a consenting adult after the investigation into financial impropriety proved fruitless, it’s truthseeking.

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    tobie says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @Immanentize: I hadn’t looked up his actual age. In person he seems at least ten years younger than Biden and Sanders so I assumed he was junior to them.
    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): This is harsh. I’d love to have a dynamic, smart and experienced person of color and/or woman run for office but I don’t see anyone who fits that bill. Gillibrand strikes me as milquetoast and is a weathervane when it comes to her positions; Kamala Harris has potential but she’s not ready yet; she freezes during TV interviews and at the rallies I’ve heard her, she’s an uninspiring speaker; Booker feels a bit like someone trying to be Obama’s second coming. Can you think of someone? Honest question, I’m not trolling.

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    satby says:

    You know, it’s so nice to be somewhere where Drumpf doesn’t dominate the news, and even if he did I wouldn’t understand it. Right now waiting another 90+ minutes before my plane to Bangkok takes off. Been a long 24 hours so far.

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    Chris says:


    Wait, I thought the Republicans said “collusion” was A-OK? Now, I’m confused.

    As with climate change, it’s multilayered:

    1) Trump did not collude.
    2) Trump may have colluded, but that’s not actually illegal, at least not the way he did it.
    3) Trump may have colluded in ways that were actually illegal, but it’s okay because it was doing it to save the republic from Hillary Clinton.
    4) Trump colluding illegally may not have been okay even if he was doing it to save the republic from Hillary Clinton, but HILLARY’S EMAILZ!!! so both sides do it and shut up that’s why.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: That’s a good point–taking the Fifth is probably what would keep this from turning into an armed standoff, if Trump thinks testimony would incriminate him.

    More likely he’ll just blab everything because he has no self-control.

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    MattF says:

    @Cermet: I’ve never noticed any great interest in SF/F here.

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    Immanentize says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: point well taken!

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby: I am eager to hear about your trip as I want to take my son somewhere mind blowing this summer.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Chris: Even easier.

    “I said dozens of times that there **is** no collusion! That’s true. Collusion has no legal sanction. There **was** and **is** a **conspiracy** with Putin, **money laundering**, **admitted on national television (Lester Holt) obstruction of justice**, **violation of the Emoluments Clause**, and a host of other things that I’ve done that are illegal and impeachment-worthy. But, right now, there **is no collusion**. Suck it libtards.” – Donnie.



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    Another Scott says:

    @satby: Thanks for the report! Have a great time and be safe!


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    sdhays says:

    @danielx: Not after Trump gets his cut.

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    rikyrah says:

    1) QUICK THREAD on Mueller Probe

    The news that Rick Gates is cuttin’ a deal with Mueller is sendin’ shock-waves through the Trump admin today. Gates should have valuable evidence against Trump directly and will possibly flip Manafort in the bargain.

    — Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) January 24, 2018

    4) The reason is simple. Mueller is movin’ on Obstruction first because it is the quick kill-shot that knocks Trump off his throne and gets him out of office. Once Trump is a regular citizen, he’s more vulnerable to prosecution in other venues such as NY for his other crimes.

    — Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) January 24, 2018

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    Immanentize says:

    @Another Scott: in class Tuesday, we were discussing conspiracy charges and I told them that no one is allowed to ever use the word “collusion” in the class because it has no normative meaning. “Criminal conspiracy” has really well defined meaning(s).

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    rikyrah says:


    Hey satby!!

    Safe travels :)

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    rikyrah says:


    is it a REAL Independent, or just a disgruntled GOPer?

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    debbie says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Right, so I don’t get this complaint.

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    sdhays says:

    @mai naem mobile: Sure we do. His name is Jared Kushner.

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    debbie says:

    @Eric S.:

    Good PR, but a big FU to their employees.

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    satby says:

    @Immanentize: Hopefully, pictures soonish, though BillinCA need not worry I’ll give him any competition.

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    Another Scott says:

    @tobie: It’s still very early.

    Obama could write great speaches, but his delivery wasn’t perfect by any means and he got better over time. Kamala and the rest can as well.

    I think we have time to let the process play out. We’ll have plenty of candidates to choose from and I don’t think we need to short-circuit it. Who knows, maybe MO’M and Terry Mac will run, also too.

    All politicians that have held office for a significant period of time have baggage. What matters is how they overcome it.


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    coin operated says:

    There’s a part of me that soooo wants to see the Trump interview conducted by a POC and a woman tag team and taped for the record. You can already see the right wing going full racist when they find out who did the questioning…

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    debbie says:


    You are so lucky!

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: thanks! So far the scariest part was taking 294 to the airport during the freezing rain.

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    satby says:

    @Another Scott: thanks!

    @debbie: indeed I am. A last gift from my mom.

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    @satby: Sounds like you may have better subject matter than I do outside my cave. I worry.

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    tobie says:

    @Another Scott: I agree there’s time, and right now there are so many more important issues to focus on like trying to preserve what remains of the social safety net than thinking about 2020. I’m just struck at how at odds I am with the current mood. I dislike populism, don’t believe in common sense or the wisdom of the common man, and really wished I lived in an age and a country where expertise was valued.

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    kd bart says:

    @David Merry Christmas Koch: I’m holding out for Pledge Representative to the Social Committee.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Quinerly: @Baud: @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:



    …that is all.

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    Jeffro says:

    On another, more on-topic note (for once!) the prospect of Trumpov agreeing to, then ducking, then trying to set conditions, then trying to add “BUT HILAAAARY!” bullshit*, then being subpoenaed, and so on…every single time, it’s going to raise yet more questions and look less & less like the actions of an innocent man and look more & more like EVEN MORE OBSTRUCTION.

    Please proceed, Republicans.

    *We’ve already seen a bit of this from Trumpov’s impromptu comments: “Did Hillary testify under oath? Did she? Didshedidshedidshedidshe???” Never mind that…yes, asshole, she did. It’s going to be almost funny the eleventy gazillion ways the RWNJs try to argue “well, that didn’t count…” Almost.

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    Kay says:

    Earlier this week, after her appearance at the pro-Trump gala on Saturday stirred plenty of controversy, a photo emerged of Chelsea Manning participating in an “Escape the Room” in Washington with far-right conspiracy theorists Cassandra Fairbanks and Jack Posobiec. Originally unearthed by reporter Yashar Ali, the photo helped cast doubt on Manning’s claims that she had simply “crashed” the party in order to “gather intel.”
    But the fallout from the photo doesn’t appear limited to Manning.
    While many of the figures are easily identifiable — in addition to Fairbanks and Posobiec, Lucian Wintrich of the far-right conspiracy site Gateway Pundit is also present — one man, with a salt-pepper beard and receding hairline, remained unknown. According to the photo, he’s tagged as “Jack Murphy aka John Goldman.”
    “Murphy,” as it is, maintains a relatively prominent Twitter presence within the so-called “New Right.” He also maintains a website where, in a post earlier this week, he admits being in the photo alongside Manning.
    However, “Murphy” doesn’t appear to be his real name. In an interview with WAMU, “Murphy” admitted that he is, indeed, Goldman, adding that he “love[s] everyone.”
    As Goldman wrote on his “Jack Murphy” site, “Because various political advocates were upset that Chelsea Manning appeared with Trump supporters, they investigated and discovered my identity for the express purpose of a public shaming.” Goldman, who didn’t respond to ThinkProgress’s questions, also admitted that he worked for the District of Columbia Public Charter School Board (DCPCSB), which had placed him on “administrative leave pending an investigation.”

    It’s tough for the snowflakes when their free speech leads to other people exercising free speech and objecting to the fact that a far Right misogynist is running their publicly-funded schools, and chose to conceal his views from the public, who pay him. Oh, the “public shaming”! It’s tough when the public find out what you think. That should be concealed from them, so they can continue to pay him.

    People in DC shouldn’t be allowed to know that a school board member thinks feminists should be raped. That’s important because if they knew that they would FIRE him, which is why he concealed it. But you should feel bad for him.

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    Kay says:

    Just to give you an idea how far Right Manning’s buddies are, this county went 70% for Trump.

    If we had a person on the school board who said feminists should be raped that person would have to resign or they would be removed. It’s generally unacceptable for school board members to advocate for violent crimes against women, because schools are 50% GIRLS. That he’s on a DC school board is so far from “representative” of the people who use those schools it’s ludicrous. He knew that. That’s why he hid it from them.

    The Wikileaks crowd should be cheering. All their bullshit about “transparency”? It applies to them too.

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    tobie says:

    @Kay: Oh the irony. Yet another anti-government hoodlum who lives on the public dime.

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    Bruce K says:

    Often enough an attorney’s worst enemy is not the judge, or the opposing attorney, but his/her own client. I’ve seen it in my own workplace, and I would not be surprised at all if attorneys who have represented the cheeto have that opinion about their client.

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    Librarian says:

    I believe that the lesson to be drawn from yesterday is that when Trump bullshits with reporters in an impromptu presser, nothing he says should be taken seriously.

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    Kay says:


    I love that it’s in DC, too. Blue, blue, blue and also something like 80% AA in the public schools.

    I guess this is what Manning meant by “infiltrating”. Misrepresent or actively hide your views in order to trick the public into hiring you, then whine when you’re caught. So unfair! Why can’t a secret rape supporter serve on a school board? What happened to his rights, huh? It’s like this is Soviet Russia or something.

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    @coin operated:
    It’s quite possible Mueller will have Trump interviewed by a woman. Beyond random chance, Mueller is supposed to be canny and experienced. He surely knows that a hardcore Misogynist like Trump will automatically talk over any woman questioning him, wildly increasing the chance of self-incrimination.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    Haberman was doing accurate reporting. It’s what journalism is

    There are supposed to be words in newspapers that are not breathless editorials condemning Trump

    Grow up people

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    SgrAstar says:

    @Quinerly: Poco is one handsome chap! He looks like a perfect companion- fun, loyal, steadfast. Love your pics, Quinerly.

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    MattF says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Yes– but… walking through the door of an interview room will wildly increase the likelihood of self-incrimination. And I’m fairly sure he knows it. He may do it anyhow. We shall see.

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    Feebog says:


    Regarding #102, there are plenty of potential candidates out there. Jay Inslee, Gov. of Washington, Chris Murphy, CN, Bill DiBlaiso, NY, Eric Garcetti, CA, Tammy Duckworth, IL. I personally want to see a younger person get the nomination. Time for a new generation of leadership.

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    Stan says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Can the President really be compelled to testify? Suppose he just keeps saying no, is somebody going to arrest him?

    Oh please, New York city police department, don’t let us down again……..

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    J R in WV says:


    There was a pretty through discussion in threads. Sorry you didn’t bother to read them. How do you feel about pie?

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    Ruckus says:

    Pass benefits to their employees.
    Surly you jest.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Ruckus: Several have done so, in this sort of tokenistic way, but it’s pretty obvious what they’re doing.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Feebog: There are some good choices out there. I think Kamala Harris has the potential to make it work and overcome her deficiencies in the next couple years, and Gillibrand strikes me as the right sort of balance between principled and calculating – and she has good stage presence.

    There are a lot of other good candidates too. Jay Inslee might be a good candidate, as might Chris Murphy. Booker will do well if he can stay away from the Financial sector.

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    No One You Know says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I disagree. Experience is a dear teacher…in the old sense of “dear.”

    I maintain that a risk to democracy itself and possible Constitutional crisis thanks to decades of Republican ratfucking isn’t a time for loudly inexperienced hopefuls to burnish their resumes.

    Elizabeth of England, when asked how she felt in 1602, muttered something my rusty Latin recalls as “Mortua, et non sepultura.”

    If you want to be dead and not yet buried, well, you be you. I’ll be damned if I pass on a qualified candidate grooming a younger second just because “younger is better.” Wasn’t there a law against that, once?

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    No One You Know says:

    @No One You Know: ETA: I’m still pissed over the anti-Pelosi and anti-Hillary lists from The Hill last year. I don’t agree that old women should shut up just because younger women…to say nothing of young men…find them “inconvenient.”

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