Thots & Prars

Looks like the Tree of Liberty needed to be watered with the blood of schoolchildren and/or staff again, this time in Kentucky:

The sanctimonious, stoat-faced prick has a point about speculation. But yeah, another school shooting, so we can safely conclude a poor, innocent gun was involved and that access to blameless weaponry will be inexpertly decried by people who don’t know a magazine from a clip and are unable to precisely define an “assault weapon.”

This is the same Governor Bevin who is loudly crowing about his plan to harm constituents by shoving them off Medicaid. Perhaps the layabout grannies and grandpas he flushes off “the dole” will find gainful employment in the aluminum can recycling industry or enjoy a cruise on an ice floe. Or perhaps they can be put to work patching bullet holes in schools.

Anyhoo, thots and prars* all around.

*Nomenclature appropriated from valued commenter Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes.






104 replies
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    dmsilev says:

    I’m sure Megan McArdle will once again inform us that the proper solution is to train kindergartners to emulate soldiers going over the top into No Man’s Land in 1916 France.

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    kindness says:

    I feel terrible about the kids who were gunned down.

    At this point though, I think the good citizens of Kentucky own the politicians they elected. I feel bad for what the citizens face but I don’t feel bad for the actual citizens. Maybe this is a Grow the fuck up moment. God knows there have been enough of those moments but they keep electing sociopaths. They shall reap what they sow.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I think there was also a school shooting in Texas last week, but the MSM was too busy talking about the president’s p0rn star ex. 😠

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @kindness:

    There was a story about Kentucky implementing work requirements for Medicaid recipients and, miracle of miracles, they actually managed to interview some Democraric voters. I’m still wondering if it was trying to validate the common meme that Democrats are all on welfare or if the people who voted Republican weren’t willing to talk to reporters.

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    eric says:

    thoughts and prayers to the poor gun manufacturers whose products will be much maligned though remain unimpeded into the stream of commerce.

    Jump fuckers!

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    Barbara says:

    Wait. The only news I can find on school shootings is for a shooting in Texas. Well, I guess it’s been long enough since the last one that I shouldn’t be surprised to see two on a single day.

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    trollhattan says:

    Remind me why we can’t file class-action lawsuits against gun and ammo manufactures?

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    cosima says:

    Last night we were watching ‘Hard Sun’ (a BBC? series about Armageddon). There was a crazy guy going around killing folk, and a girl phoned her dad to ask if she should go to school, said something along the lines of ‘what if he comes to our school and kills kids like happens in the US?’ Now, mind you, this is a ‘serious’ drama, the acting is good, and it’s actually a decent show — so, it wasn’t hysterical or OTT, it was just a reflection of how US schools are viewed here, by adults and by children, so pervasively that it seeps into serious tele drama. Little C, now in secondary/Academy, has talks about it in class at school in humanities-type courses — she’s shared some of that with us. We’ve made a lot of sacrifices to come live here, there are none that I regret — not a single one — because she lives the childhood dream out here at the edge of the Highlands. She plays in the forest for hours, and we don’t worry. If she’s late coming home from school I don’t worry. She took the bus into the ‘big’ city with her friend, and I didn’t worry. She’s a kid, being a kid, enjoying being a kid, and not worrying about that scary stuff.

    As a bonus, from my perspective, I have ZERO neighbours who think the orange fart cloud is a genius, or stable. None of them have guns that they wear or brag about, and if they have them (for hunting only) then they must be under lock & key.

    My soul breathes a sigh of relief living here. Guns & murder have factored into our family history quite dramatically, so this is an issue that is number one for me.

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    dmsilev says:

    @trollhattan: Congress passed a law giving them immunity to a large swath of such lawsuits.

    Thanks, NRA!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @trollhattan:

    Because Congress passed laws preventing us from doing so.

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    Spanky says:

    OT, (though Open Thread), but I haven’t seen this discussed at all:

    WASHINGTON — Attorney General Jeff Sessions was questioned for several hours last week by the special counsel’s office as part of the investigation into Russia’s meddling in the election and whether the president obstructed justice since taking office, according to a Justice Department spokeswoman.

    The meeting marked the first time that investigators for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, are known to have interviewed a member of Mr. Trump’s cabinet.

    I’m picturing the kkkeebler elf’s feet dangling under the table while he’s being grilled by burly feds, but that’s probably inaccurate.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Mnemosyne: I wonder what the Sage of Vermont, True North Star of All Things Progressive, thought about that idea. PROBABLY PRETTY OUTRAGED RIGHT? :/

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    SenyorDave says:

    @Spanky: I prefer to think of the old FBI from the Elliot Ness days. Sessions being dangled by his size six feet out of an open window, pissing himself as he implicates every person he has ever met in his miserable life.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    @cosima: my (college) students laugh at the duck and cover film I show in US History, but I remind them that I didn’t need to be taught how to behave in a mass shooting incident.

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    Spanky says:

    Also too, further proof that being Republican is a disease:

    We may have found the one poll question that communicates just how much of the Republican Party base is fully committed to President Trump.

    In response to growing questions about his mental fitness, Trump tweeted a few weeks back that he wasn’t just stable, but in fact a “very stable genius.” Polling since then has asked whether people feel Trump is indeed stable, but the new Washington Post-ABC News poll goes one step further and also asks whether Trump is a genius.

    ….to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius….and a very stable genius at that!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2018

    While Americans are about evenly split on his stability, the genius question is decidedly not an even split. Just 21 percent of American adults believe Trump’s intellect rises to the level of a genius, while 73 percent say it does not.

    But among that 21 percent is a substantial portion of Republican voters: 50 percent of them, all told. Just 40 percent of Republicans believe Trump is not a genius. So on balance more Republicans buy into Trump’s claim than don’t.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @trollhattan:

    The junior senator from Vermont opposes it.

    P.S. Billionaires can’t buy him.

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    germy says:

    And then there’s this kid:

    Meet Brandon Griesemer, the 19 year old Michigan man who I referred to in the post below. He lives in suburban Detroit and made a series of calls to CNN headquarters in Atlanta threatening mass murder as payback for “fake news.” “Fake news. I’m coming to gun you all down. Fuck you, fuckin’ ni****rs.”

    Probably had no intention of acting on his threats, but still created real terror.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    @cosima: It is BBC. Is it depressing/ It sounds interesting but if it’s depressing, no.

    (Yeah, that’s why I disliked “Blade Runner 2” because (SPOILERS)

    they killed off Joi

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @cosima: Sounds idyllic. If I had it all to do over again, I’d seriously consider leaving this continent-spanning insane asylum. We discussed it after Bush 2 got reelected and decided to stay and fight instead. Results have been mixed!

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    Ironically, we have something called “active shooter training” happening today at my workplace. I was remarking to one of the AV techs that it was ridiculous that mass shootings have gotten so common that we now have to have on-the-job training for them, and then I come back to my desk and read about this. *Sigh*

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Spanky:
    They are a cult of personality

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    Mike in DC says:

    Jeffbo Sesh interviewed by Bobby Three Sticks. Fun. I’m guessing Pence next. Maybe another go at Jared. Then the formal request to 45. Likely followed by a subpoena and a ton of attempts at spin control.

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    rikyrah says:

    Trump election panel purchased Texas data identifying Hispanic voters: report
    BY OLIVIA BEAVERS – 01/22/18 05:06 PM EST

    President Trump’s now dissolved voting commission had asked Texas to turn over voting records that would identify all voters with Hispanic surnames, in addition to the regular detailed voter registration data other states provided, The Washington Post reported Monday.

    The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity filled out forms asking Texas, the state with the second-largest Hispanic population in the U.S., to provide the “Hispanic surname flag notation,” according to the report, which cited copies of the signed and notarized Texas voter data request forms.

    The president created the voting commission to investigate voter fraud, a move that came after he made the baseless claim that millions of illegal votes had been cast against him in the 2016 election, costing him the popular vote. Trump, however, disbanded the voting commission earlier this month, citing a handful of state and federal lawsuits against the panel.

    The Lone Star State has identified voters with a Hispanic name since 1983 in order to follow state and federal laws which require the state to send bilingual election notices that are written in both Spanish and English, Sam Taylor, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Rolando Pablos (R), told the Post. For such mailings, Taylor says Texas goes off the U.S. Census Bureau’s list of most common surnames by race and Hispanic origin.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/ad.....dentifying

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    JPL says:

    @Mnemosyne: It was yesterday. I leave for a few hours and return to discover that the news finds that the democratic members folding more important.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @germy: What an idiot

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    germy says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    What an idiot

    Eight years of Obama and the idiots went crazy. Now their man is in the white house… and they’re going crazy.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @cosima: You and your family are living what is only a dream of safety for US parents.

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    cosima says:

    @Woodrowfan: When we left the US I felt under siege 24/7 because of all of this right/left b.s., the complete failure to reach agreement about reasonable gun laws, the constant erosion of the educational system, etc etc. — all of the things explored here on BJuice. Moving back to Scotland my soul heaved a huge sigh of relief — you really have no idea how much it weighs on you, even when living a relatively privileged life (we’re not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but we were doing okay), as I was, until you are away from it. It was easier living in a blue state (finally!), but even the blue states get the crazy loons, the hypocrites, the gun nuts. Our posh neighbourhood had a well-regarded elementary school that went into lockdown because of a shootout between the police & ???? a block from the school. I wouldn’t have let Little C walk to school alone for love or money. We had a nude jogger in the neighbourhood. It was all delightful.

    We live in a lovely bubble here. The kids think the US is crazy.

    And now we’re off (time for after-school activities here across the pond).

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: If I recall correctly, the same Trump-Kobach minion who requested that info was recently busted on kiddie porn charges. The best people, believe me.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Catherine D.:
    I was a bit put off by the reference to jihadis. I know that the vast majority of mass shootings in America are by white non-Muslim men, and that it’s a very big stretch to call the DC snipers or the Tsarnaev brothers or the Orlando shooter “jihadis”.

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    rikyrah says:

    This is the same Governor Bevin who is loudly crowing about his plan to harm constituents by shoving them off Medicaid.

    I feel bad for people, but he did tell them this is what he was going to do. He never hid it.
    And, they voted for him anyway.
    Elections have consequences.

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    @germy: Rs enable the crazy and now the crazy are driving this bus.

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    Spanky says:

    And in local news, my fucking governor

    Maryland lawmakers promised Attorney General Brian Frosh $1 million and five new lawyers to file lawsuits against the Trump administration next year, but Republican Gov. Larry Hogan left that money out of his budget.

    Instead, the Hogan administration suggested Frosh divert money from his office’s Consumer Protection Division to finance litigation against the federal government.

    Frosh, a Democrat, said that diverting those funds puts him in a tough position.

    “I hate to have to choose between defending Marylanders against the Trump administration and defending them against people who are trying to rip them off in other contexts, but that’s the choice that’s been put before us this year,” Frosh said.

    Don’t let your Blue State elect a Republican, kids!

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Catherine D.: Appallingly accurate. Thanks for video. Today’s Tom
    Lehrer (sp?)?

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Amir Khalid: The very first tv reports about the OKC bombing was that the bomber was Near Eastern/Muslim and IIRC at least 1 man was picked up; IIRC distraught wife was interviewed on tv.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: NOT voting has consequences too. I remember reading some study not long after Bevin was elected that showed most of the folks who will be harmed by his policies don’t vote at all. That’s why I’ll continue to drag my introverted self to community events where participants are more likely to lean left than right to accost passersby and try to get them to register to vote or update their registration. The Trump idiots aren’t worth my time.

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    tobie says:

    @Spanky: If the Dems can coalesce around a candidate, Hogan should be toast. My only fear is that we’re going to have a messy primary. Lots of candidates right now. I’m inclined toward Krish Vignarajah. What I don’t want to see is Vignarajah and Kamenetz splitting the party vote in the primary and Ben Jealous squeaking through. He’s truly awful. Stuck with Wilmer to the end and attributes all ills to “neoliberalism.”

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    The Simp in the Suit says:

    @germy: So, I guess they’re just crazy.

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    rikyrah says:

    Do you all think the KKKeebler Elf is silly enough to lie under oath to Bobby Three Sticks?

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    Spanky says:

    @rikyrah: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease.

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    Ryan says:

    Fair is fair, if Democrats are complicit in every fatality caused by an undocumented immigrant, Republicans are complicit in every gun homicide.

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    This is the same Governor Bevin who is loudly crowing about his plan to harm constituents by shoving them off Medicaid.

    I feel bad for people, but he did tell them this is what he was going to do. He never hid it.
    And, they voted for him anyway.
    Elections have consequences.

    These dopes always think that someone else, preferably someone black or brown or generally unworthy, will be hurt by these policies.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: I don’t think so, not to save Trump’s ass anyway. Sessions is a racist piece of shit, but he’s not completely stupid, and by now, he’s surely realized loyalty to Trump is a one-way street.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    Since I’m not expecting any meaningful gun control legislation anytime soon, I’ve got the following modest proposal:

    Seeing how the victims of shootings such as this are (involuntarily) sacrificing their lives so that the rest of us may have our vital Second Amendment freedoms, I think those killed and wounded in such shootings should receive the same honors and benefits as the members of our military who are killed or wounded in combat.

    For the wounded, that would mean free treatment of their injuries in military hospitals in the near term, and in VA hospitals for life, and of course they’d get whatever pension accrues to our troops who can no longer serve due to their injuries.

    And the dependents of those killed in such incidents would receive the same survivor’s benefits that the dependents of troops killed in action receive. (I’m tempted to suggest as well that deceased shooting victims should be eligible for burial in our military cemeteries, but they’d fill up way too fast.)

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mike in DC: On one of Preet’s podcasts, he or his guest pointed out that Jared was interviewed after Flynn was interviewed but before he was charged – Jared was interviewed for only 90 minutes, and the interview was solely Flynn related. Their take was that Mueller was not done with Jared yet – that was a very specific interview about some very specific things.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @rikyrah: I was going to say that Sessions is a nasty racist crook, and a stupid one, too, but not that stupid. However, on second thought, I think he actually is. I say yes, he will lie about something, and Mueller will catch him easily.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @rikyrah: Either way, he is screwed. If he tells the truth, he’s admitting he’s broken the law. If he lies, Mueller will most likely know he is lying, and they can charge him with that.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer person.

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    rp says:

    @tobie: I went to college with Jealous and worked with Vignarajah. The former hasn’t changed at all since college, and that’s not a good thing. Hard pass.

    The latter is super, super smart, but I don’t get why she’s running for governor. She has almost no experience and no shot at winning. She needs to build her resume a little more.

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    RSA says:

    @kindness:

    I feel bad for what the citizens face but I don’t feel bad for the actual citizens. Maybe this is a Grow the fuck up moment. God knows there have been enough of those moments but they keep electing sociopaths. They shall reap what they sow.

    Looking around at the reins of government, this is no less true about the entire U.S.

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    @Ridnik Chrome:
    I still think Sessions flipped first. That would make this just getting Sessions to make official, under oath statements for use against others later.

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    I feel bad for people, but he did tell them this is what he was going to do. He never hid it.
    And, they voted for him anyway.
    Elections have consequences.

    @Betty Cracker:

    NOT voting has consequences too. I remember reading some study not long after Bevin was elected that showed most of the folks who will be harmed by his policies don’t vote at all.

    The article linked earlier on the Kentucky plan has this caution for people who want to try to push blame onto people who will be hurt by this stupid new plan:

    Like Childers, Guthrie and 427,000 other Kentuckians, Ison did not vote for Bevin; like them and more than 700,000 others, she did not vote for Trump. She fumes when she sees liberals on social media say Kentuckians are getting what they deserve for their electoral choices.

    “Complete ignorance. What would those people say if that was your child? If I was your daughter, or my husband was your son or your sibling? Would you think the same way?” she said.

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    bemused says:

    @Ridnik Chrome:

    He got the plumb position, AG, to boost his life dream of making over this country into old racist dixie south. He might not be able stop himself from blurting out his nasty, racist tactics.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Hope you’re right.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Spanky:

    Just a guess, but I would bet that Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III’s testimony involved much “I don’t recall exactly” and “I’m not quite sure, but…” combined with much slicing and dicing and willful misinterpretation of questions.

    But he still had to answer some of those hard questions – here’s hoping some of the answers work well for Mr Mueller’s prosecutions.

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    bemused says:

    @J R in WV:

    We’ve already seen him using obfuscation and deflection in open house hearing. It’s not easy to remember and keep lies straight over repeated questioning.

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    JPL says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: A few days after the interview though Sessions mentioned the missing texts. He’s still on the trump gravy train.

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    JPL says:

    @bemused: If caught, Sessions will ask for a redo with Mueller’s team.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    I thought thotsenpraars were what the Dutch sent to the US each anniversary of the sale of New Amsterdam (as in “you’re gonna need’em”).

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    Spanky says:

    I suspect this CNN piece is directed at an audience of one:

    Trump takes immigration cues from ‘Pres. Stephen Miller’
    By Paul Begala
    Updated 8:14 AM ET, Tue January 23, 2018

    Let’s hope he sees it.

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    Gutless Somnambulist says:

    @low-tech cyclist:

    Good idea in principle, but we’re socializing the costs. The manufacturers or the owners of the guns need to be on the hook somehow.

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    J R in WV says:

    @cosima:

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    @cosima: You and your family are living what is only a dream of safety for US parents.

    You are both under the influence of news that is improperly framed, the well known “If it bleeds, it leads” concept of mass hysterical media.

    Children today in the USA are safer and more secure than ever before in history. That’s the fact. Fleeing the nation in fear is hysteria based upon very misleading news stories left to create a misleading emphasis. Perhaps deliberately in order to create demand for additional security forces? In order to increase militarization of existing police forces? To peel away freedom?

    I don’t know if that’s over analyzing the situation, but the federal statistics are clear – America is safer today for everyone than ever before. Driving is safer because of increased enforcement of stronger DWI laws, seat belts and airbags, highway design and auto design.

    Food is safer, medicine is safer and more effective, except for antibiotic drug resistance evolving in dangerous bacteria. Even shooting deaths are less frequent due to requirements for trigger locks and other state safety measures. It is a fact that people licensed to carry weapons are almost never involved with crime of any sort.

    I would recommend more research and much less viewing of TV news and cop shows.

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    The Simp in the Suit says:

    @low-tech cyclist: I agree, although then the gun-fetishists will simply use that to further de-fund the VA.

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    The Simp in the Suit says:

    @Brachiator: ““Complete ignorance. What would those people say if that was your child? If I was your daughter, or my husband was your son or your sibling? Would you think the same way?” she said.”

    I would hope that “those people” would continuing saying the same things, knowing that their children, daughter, husband, son, or sibling would understand that “those people” are talking specifically about Trump voters. That is, the expectation is that all of those relatives would be self-aware enough, smart enough, and mature enough (even the kids!), to know that mommy or daddy is not talking about THEM, but rather, the idiots who voted against their own health and safety.

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    bemused says:

    @JPL:

    Ha. I’d like to see how one would ask for a redo…I know I was under oath but I made a teeny, tiny error here and there.

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    Adria McDowell says:

    “Thots”? Like this?: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thot

    Interesting choice.

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    Spanky says:

    @bemused: “Ah do believe ah’d like to invoke mah Cabinet-level mulligan at this time.”

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    bemused says:

    @Spanky:

    and “my character has been impugned”

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    Adria McDowell says:

    That “rent” in Trump Tower costs a highly suspicious amount, no?
    https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/955827857221193728

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    Yutsano says:

    @Adria McDowell: Dat address tho…
    We don’t even have the competent villains in this storyline. Can someone call the Doctor to fix this mess plz?

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    JPL says:

    @bemused: Hey it worked for congress, so why not try.

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    kindness says:

    @Brachiator: Hey, we aren’t blaming the Kentukians who voted for good representation. What we are doing is blaming the majority of Kentukians who either didn’t vote or the ones that voted for their own demise.

    It is their own fault they have what they have. And by that I’m talking about the majority of them. I wish the Democrats there were better able to convince the majority to vote for their own interests but they aren’t doing that. So the statements we make about Kentucky being complicit in their own cesspool are still accurate. And believe me, I felt bad when California elected Republicans to important positions. I blamed the majority of Californians for doing so. This isn’t a PC thing. These statements can’t be microscopically looked at as PC or not. That isn’t the basis of the statements.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Ridnik Chrome:

    Charles Cooper, Bilbo Biggot’s lawyer, has a good reputation—but lawyers are notoriously bad clients. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Bilbo ignored his advice and did something really stupid. Neither would it surprise me to learn that Bilbo showed Mueller just enough leg to get immunity, with the promise of a complete Witness Experience to follow if Mueller clicks on the “pay” button.

    Mixed metaphor, five yard penalty and loss of down.

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    rikyrah says:

    Florida will be home to one of the year’s most important ballot initiatives: the state’s voters will be asked to decide whether to change Florida law and extend voting rights to the state’s 1.5 million convicted felons. The Florida secretary of state’s office confirmed this morning that the measure received the necessary number of signatures to qualify for this year’s ballot.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @J R in WV:

    FWIW, I think cosima returned to the land of her birth, which doesn’t really count as “fleeing,” IMO.

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    @Adria McDowell: To be Scrupulously Fair, renting access to a p0rn star’s vag!na is a kind of rent.

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    rikyrah says:

    President Trump is accused of paying $130,000 in hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels to hide an affair a month before the election. In what is probably just a coincidence, the Trump campaign transferred $130K to the Trump businesses a month after the election. pic.twitter.com/KKknIC9ClC

    — Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) January 23, 2018

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    cain says:

    @dmsilev:

    I’m sure Megan McArdle will once again inform us that the proper solution is to train kindergartners to emulate soldiers going over the top into No Man’s Land in 1916 France.

    Perhaps we should send our children to South Sudan or some other place to train them as child soldiers so that this will never happen again.

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    Kay says:

    I’m on a school committee and we had a presentation where researchers are looking into whether the indicators that point to kids committing suicide match up (some) with suicide/homicide or homicide. You have to be able to FIND them to help them.

    Obviously this is complicated and I don’t pretend to understand it, let alone all the ramifications- one wouldn’t want to treat suicidal students like they’re about to kill someone else- but I thought it was oddly comforting that although our political classes are too horribly corrupt to do ONE THING to protect students at least some other people are trying to research it and move forward in some rational,thoughful, serious way, a way that doesn’t involve arming everyone in the school.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @Gutless Somnambulist:

    Good idea in principle, but we’re socializing the costs. The manufacturers or the owners of the guns need to be on the hook somehow.

    That’s kind of immaterial at this point, since legislation like this wouldn’t stand a chance of passing even without giving the gun owners and manufacturers that sort of reason to be against it.

    The point is to undercut their position through embarrassment – by making them scramble desperately to come up with nonsense reasons to be against something like this.

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    @kindness:

    I wish the Democrats there were better able to convince the majority to vote for their own interests but they aren’t doing that.

    You can’t blame the decent people in Kentucky for the fact they’re surrounded by a culture of hate. You cannot ‘convince’ Kentucky’s Republican voters. They’ve been taught from birth that hurting someone else is the only way to survive. Boy, do I know that up close and personal.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @The Simp in the Suit:

    I agree, although then the gun-fetishists will simply use that to further de-fund the VA.

    And then if anyone on our side knew how to play this game, they’d be buried under a barrage of “why do you hate our veterans?”

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    JPL says:

    Two dead and seventeen injured. How sad.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Brachiator:

    [. . .] Ison did not vote for Bevin; like them and more than 700,000 others, she did not vote for Trump.

    This is interesting. I went back and read the article; it does not indicate whether Ison voted for Bevin’s opponent and/​or Hillary Clinton or just didn’t vote at all. Based on the phrasing, I suspect the latter.

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    Brachiator says:

    Two dead and seventeen injured.

    I had not had a chance to read the details of this horrible shooting. “Injured” never conveys how terrible the injuries might be.

    This stuff can really get you down, because you just know that America cannot let go of its guns, no matter how many are hurt or killed.

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    SRW1 says:

    Do you all think the KKKeebler Elf is silly enough to lie under oath to Bobby Three Sticks?

    Oh please, lie is such an ugly word. Maybe a memory lapse here and a memory lapse there.

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    Kay says:

    Is there anything comparable to guns and child deaths? Where they just refuse to make any effort at all the reduce the numbers?

    Not cars because cars are insured and regulated and drivers have to be of age and licensed. Not swimming pools because you don’t have to go to a swimming pool but you do have to go to school. Is there ANYTHING other than guns where we do this with kids? “Oh, well. X number of kid casualties a month is okay”

    It’s really nuts.

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    JPL says:

    @Brachiator: The news has already moved on.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Food is safer, medicine is safer and more effective

    @J R in WV: You are just flat out wrong about this. I spend more time in Europe than I’d care to, but only because my family is here. The minute my wife retires, we are out the door. Not because it’s necessarily safer, but because it is better.

    I don’t see slums in most of Europe. I have never seen a homeless person. The food – if you can’t tell the difference, even in Britain, then you were probably born without taste buds. I won’t even touch medical care because that’s low-hanging fruit. The Europeans pay for it, and God knows they have social and racial problems of their own, but the one freedom you don’t have in Europe is to lead a shitty life if you don’t want to.

    America is pretty safe, albeit at the cost of 2.2 million people locked up in prisons more suited for a dictatorship than a first-world nation. I wouldn’t deny that. But the culture is toxic, the food is toxic, and the people have no manners and feel free to act like complete assholes to everyone around them. I have had enough. And there are a lot of people who have had enough. And we are going to leave.

    As for the people who have left, they made the right choice.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Steeplejack:

    This is interesting. I went back and read the article; it does not indicate whether Ison voted for Bevin’s opponent and/​or Hillary Clinton or just didn’t vote at all. Based on the phrasing, I suspect the latter.

    Let’s see.

    Like Childers, Guthrie and 427,000 other Kentuckians, Ison did not vote for Bevin; like them and more than 700,000 others, she did not vote for Trump.

    Previously, the article noted that Childers had voted. Had Ison not voted at all, it would have been simple to say so.

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    Kay says:

    Can you imagine anything else treated like this?

    Ooops. Another round of accidental electrocutions at a school! Oh, well. Nothing can be done.

    They should stop using nice words for this, words like “capture” and “lobbyists” and “political pressure”

    It’s corruption. They’re corrupt. They hand them a huge bag of money and buy them off. Straight transaction.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @J R in WV: Gun nuts like to use that very argument (relax, sillies! we’re safer than evar!) to stifle debate. But the fact is, the gun culture in America warps the whole nation, making it a more paranoid, ugly, violent place. Fewer children die of hookworms, farm or auto accidents, etc., thanks to medical advances and safety measures like seat belts. I’m sincerely grateful for that. But more than 30K Americans die by gunfire each year. There have been more than 200 school shootings since Columbine. About one in every four American children is exposed to weapons-related violence. It’s not “hysterical” to want to escape the societal madness that makes this possible.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: Amen.

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    Brachiator says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    I don’t see slums in most of Europe. I have never seen a homeless person.

    Europe may be doing better than the US, but still

    Homelessness and housing problems reach crisis point in all EU countries – except Finland

    Report on ‘alarming evidence’ of rising homelessness singles out UK for criticism while warning that one in 70 Athens residents are homeless

    Feantsa, the European Federation of National Organisations Working with the Homeless, has released its second report on housing exclusion in Europe, in conjunction with French housing charity Fondation Abbé Pierre. The report highlights “alarming evidence of rising homelessness” and calls for EU member states to put eliminating homelessness at the core of their social policy agendas.

    The report says homelessness is rising in all European countries except Finland, and singles out cities such as London, Paris, Brussels, Dublin, Vienna, Athens, Warsaw and Barcelona as places where the housing system is particularly under strain. In London, the number of families in temporary accommodation has increased by 50% since 2010, and in Copenhagen, youth homelessness has increased by 75% since 2009. Warsaw saw an increase of 37% of people sleeping rough or in emergency shelters since 2013, and one in 70 people in Athens are now homeless, most have become so since 2011.

    And Europe feels additional strains as they try to help refugees.

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    cosima says:

    @Woodrowfan: I’m not finding it depressing, we’ve just got through episode 3. It’s good — like it!

    We’re going to break down and get Netflix soon, because Altered Carbon starts in February on Netflix!!!!! Love those books!

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    cosima says:

    @Betty Cracker: It is idyllic. It’s not your average Scottish experience by any stretch of the imagination, though. We live in a small village, long commute for my husband (he has his motorcycles, so when the weather is good, he considers the long commute a bonus). It works for our values. We’re lucky that we have had this opportunity to bring her up here. We’ll find out in two weeks (!!!) if we can stay… Crossing fingers.

    Whatever some may think about whether or not the US is safer today than it was 10 or 20 or 30 years ago (I’ve seen some comments above) — gun control, valuing education, health care, social safety net — it all contributes to a better quality of life experience, one that makes living here a joy for all of us. And there’s no way that someone can make me believe that we are not safer living here where there’s gun control!!!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Adria McDowell: Never heard of that usage of it. My teenager told me Urban Dictionary was passe about five years ago — it’s just a bunch of larval MRA wankers, is what I hear. :)

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    SgrAstar says:

    @The Moar You Know: But there is a serious homeless problem in Europe. London, Paris…where do you go to avoid this global crisis? I love Europe and try to spend time traveling/climbing there, but to claim that homelessness is not a problem is just so wide of the mark. Capitalism is eating every society, and none are immune.

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    Adria McDowell says:

    @Betty Cracker: That’s probably true about Urban Dictionary, but thot is still used in a lot of celebrity gossip sites. Not that I would know or anything. ;-)

    That’s why when I saw it I was like “Wait….um….does Betty know?” Lol.

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