I’ve grown to hate all the talk about ERODING NORMS, because so far, legislation created by the wonky Paul Ryan (and voted for by the serious Lindsey Graham and Benn Sasse) has done more damage to the country than anything Trump did that another Republican president would not have done.
But…the Stormy Daniels stuff. I don’t think it would have made any difference in November 2016 because apparently no one cared about seventeen accusations of harassment and assault. It’s so strange, though, that a blowjob from an intern brought impeachment on Clinton, whereas Trump was getting spanked by a porn star while his wife was pregnant had a newborn without any repercussions.
One thing I didn’t even think of til recently was how under Clinton, we endless heard “How can Hillary stay with him”, “what about their marriage”, etc. I haven’t heard a peep out of that from the media, and it wasn’t until I saw this tweet that even remembered this might affect Trump’s marriage.
Have said it many times, but going to 're-up': There's a strong chance Donald Trump becomes the first president to get divorced while in office
— ethan epstein (@ethanepstiiiine) January 19, 2018
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Nothing matters.
Anonymous At Work
No one is really buying that the Trumps have any affection for each other.
Chyron HR
Doesn’t he have to start his own church before he can get divorced?
Served
Trump and Schumer are alone in a room right now and this is perfect:
https://twitter.com/lbarronlopez/status/954417845286338562
Amaranthine RBG
I thought Trump met Daniels for first time 4 months after Barron was born.
(Not that any of this makes Trump any less disgusting but, you know, it’s important to be accurate, especially when dealing with dishonest pieces of shit.)
Corner Stone
People keep saying what a germophobe Trump is, but he has unprotected sex with random women. How does that figure?
mai naem mobile
Well, at least Hillary was nevery considered a gold digger(just a power hungry beeyotch.) Melanoma has pretty much been considered a gold digger who knew Dolt45 was going to screw around on h8m. I’m more interested in the apparent chain migration of Melanoma’s parents being that he is so against. Also too,Dolt45 is speaking in front of the Anti abortion march. Wonder how many abortions Dolt45 has personally paid for. 10? 20? His kids? Another 20-30?
Corner Stone
I still think norms are important. However, it is well past Capt Obvious Time that we’re going to need to firehose the WH and then pass actual legislation and laws that shore up norms into enforceable actions.
Mary G
It’s the misogyny. Twitler’s a dude, so conservatives, especially evangelical types, consider it sinful but acceptable. If a female was married three times she wouldn’t be elected, and Hillary was responsible for Bill’s catting around because she failed at the one job they thought she was put on earth for.
Matt McIrvin
An acrimonious divorce that was all over the tabloids was really what made Donald Trump a media star, as opposed to merely a high-profile rich guy. It’d be a nice way to close the circle.
Corner Stone
@mai naem mobile:
Has to breach double digits, at least. If it was ever proven that it was +/- 30 I wouldn’t doubt it a bit.
Jeffro
@mai naem mobile:
another norm blown right by…
This is why, in response to my RWNJ dad’s “if you impeach, you’ll just get far-right Pence” nonsense, I told him, “operationally, effectively, we have a far-right president.” Trumpov’s too weak to try and oppose anything the far-right wants…they’re the only thing keeping him in power right now.
Doug!
@Amaranthine RBG:
Yeah, you’re right, I fixed it.
Yarrow
No one thinks their marriage is anything other than a contractual agreement at this point. Maybe she was fond of him at one point but not now. Rumor was they had divorce papers ready to file after the election when he was expected to lose. Oops.
JMG
For Melania, it boils down to whether she makes more with a divorce (I imagine a Trump pre-nup is a doozy) or waiting for the night of the fatal second scoop of ice cream and seeing what she gets in the will.
Litlebritdifrnt
@mai naem mobile: Apparently Shitgibbon said it was shameful that babies are “born from their mother’s womb’s at 9 months” in his speech. It was clear that he was supposed to say “torn” instead of “born” but you know stable genius and all that.
cain
Also apparently there is no articles about “tone” like they had during the Obama years. Now we have shithole plastered everywhere and yet I do not see the NYT lamenting about tone. Our press is so wired for republicans it’s shameful.
Anonymous At Work
House Democrats ought to take up the possible illegal payments to porn stars from campaign finances in 2019. And demand a copy of Trump’s pre-nup to see what happens in cases of infidelity…
Kay
I feel like the Wall Street Journal were smart to focus on the financial transaction. That’s the “respectable news” part of this but also the only part that can be documented, given that they all lie constantly. Good job.
patrick II
@Corner Stone:
Pornstars get regular checks for STD’s as part of their work. So, Trump prefers them. Plus you are wondering why Trump isn’t consistently thoughtful about something, and doesn’t just act on whatever crosses his mind. He is never thoughtful about anything. If he had any brains he would never have run for the presidency.
B.B.A.
Yeah, whiteness and maleness and Republicanness matter, but the main difference is Trump himself, who cannot be shamed into anything. This one is bad enough in the public’s eye that if, say, Marco Rubio had done this and it came out, he’d be back in Florida before you can say “President Cheney announces airstrikes on Tehran.”
Jeffro
Jennifer Rubin, still going there…but this time ending with THE question…
Russians Under Every Rock
wjs
How much do you want to bet that Trump can’t hire a competent divorce lawyer?
Corner Stone
Morons. On MSNBC they’re showing three “Democrats” who voted for Trump. Jesus Christ, but they are dumb AF.
Corner Stone
@JMG: Melania isn’t going to wait around to see when the “Most Excellent Healthy President Ever” keels over. She is imminently desirable for another suitor at this stage of her life, and can totally rack up. So to speak.
cain
@Corner Stone:
It’s great TV, to keep you glued there so they can throw ads at you later.
Tim C.
@Corner Stone: Trump voters, natch.
Corner Stone
@patrick II: I thought that was the mark of a germophobe. That they can’t help but think about the germs in their environment. So it would not necessarily be a thoughtful decision matrix Trump would go through but a compulsive one.
Pr0n stars get tested when they are working in a controlled environment. They obviously live their lives outside the studio as well. Not saying they are any more promiscuous in a personal setting than anyone else, but…
Princess
We don’t expect Melania to divorce Trump after he humiliates her with a porn star because we assume she’s only in it for the money anyway, and we’re probably right.
Tokyokie
Melanoma would be wise to collect her pre-nup payoff before der Trumpenführer’s assets are frozen as part of a criminal proceeding.
LAO
This is totally off topic but did anyone see Aly Raisman’s victim impact statement. She’s understandably enraged.
Caveat — as a defense attorney, I’m not a fan of victim impact statements for reasons that should be obvious, but damn.
bystander
I still want to know if there’s a fidelity clause in Melania’s prenup. One that works in her favor, that is. I’m sure there’s one that allows him to dump her if he finds her with the chauffeur/bodyguard/gardener/throne polisher.
joel hanes
Why are we only talking about “Stormy Daniels”, and not about “Jessica Drake”, who Trump also paid off ?
Barbara
Considering that Melania seems to have nearly as good of a nose for money as her husband, I am guessing no divorce but some pretty hard bargaining to renegotiate various aspects of her prenuptial agreement in exchange for not walking out the door. Which, I am sure, will cause some serious dilemmas for her husband.
Roger Moore
@patrick II:
I would bet they’re also careful about using some form of birth control other than condoms.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@patrick II: This is probably the explanation, yes. Cheating without protection is unforgivably awful no matter how you slice it, and if I were Melania I’d be drawing up divorce papers as soon as I heard about it, but if you’re going to screw random people without condoms, active porn performers are probably amongst the safest choices out there. The bigger question is why she did it. Even she didn’t seem to have an explanation.
This story is gross in too many ways to count, but I do have to confess it’s made me worry a lot less about my abilities in bed. Guy gets to fuck a porn star and doesn’t even want to try more than one position? Fuck is wrong with him? I bet he didn’t even give her oral either.
@Corner Stone: Well, they do have professional incentive to be more careful than the average person when it comes to casual sex and protection, though, since if they get the wrong STI, that’s it for their career.
scav
@Corner Stone: Germaphobes may very well constantly think about germs in their environment, but where’s the evidence that His Orange Squeamishness is a deep thinker? The whiter they are, the cleaner and purer, no? Bleach Blond, the disinfectant is right there in the name!
oatler.
I don’t have MSNBC now, but I can imagine their take on the shutdown. “Both sides are…”
gvg
What’s that law that spouses cannot be made to testify against each other? If Trump wansn’t being investigated and likely to be investigated for more things as long as he is in office, I would predict he would be the one to first divorce in office. As it is, I don’t think he can afford it. I wonder if he understands? If he does, he better keep her happy enough.
I don’t think Trump understands how much we are nosy about our Presidents. It was an anomaly that he got in before the nosiness started but every x President got researched too unless they got really really quiet which Trump doesn’t want to do. Heck they investigate JFK now, decades after he is dead.
Roger Moore
@bystander:
I’m gonna go with “hell no”. That’s not how Donald rolls.
SFAW
@Corner Stone:
I hear that all the networks are in a bidding war over the new “reality” show Mark Burnett just pitched: “Cletus Safari”
ETA: Rumor has it that the FTFNYT is looking to buy a network, just so it can get some of that action.
Corner Stone
@(((CassandraLeo))):
Probably difficult to switch to a second position if you’re done in 20 seconds. Or so I’ve been told.
Leto
@Kay: Given that the $130k was paid a month before the election, the source of the money is quite relevant. Were campaign contributions used? John Edwards did that and was almost sent to jail over it. As always, follow the money.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Corner Stone: touché
PJ
@Barbara: It seems highly unlikely that Melania would file for divorce now if she was unwilling or unable to do it earlier. I would assume that there are aspects of Melania’s past which she would not want revealed which would come out should she file for divorce, and which might be used against her in a custody dispute over Barron. She also probably signed an NDA, though I don’t know if that would be enforceable in a divorce proceeding.
SFAW
@Roger Moore:
No shit. I don’t know why anyone would think the pre-nup was even-handed in any way, nor think anything other than Shitgibbon gets everything, Melania gets nothing, no matter how many “starlets” he fucks.
Corner Stone
@gvg: I’d bet Melania stays as far away from Trump as possible unless required to stand there (so she probably knows/hears very little). And she’d make about the worst witness for the prosecution I can imagine. Totally unsympathetic, poor English and easily confused.
Edited
GregB
I am sure someone more industrious than I can dig up lots of old quotes from Trump apologists who, when Obama was in office, wanted to restore dignity and honor to the White House.
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Corner Stone
@scav: I wonder if he makes Ivanka bathe before they do their version of the nasty?
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Corner Stone: more sympathetic than her husband, at any rate. Not a high bar, but do they really need to clear a higher one? (Speaking as not a lawyer, to be clear, so this question isn’t entirely rhetorical.)
Brachiator
@Doug!:
I don’t know. Trump bringing American Apartheid 2.0 is going to be harder to reverse than any legislation created by Ryan, and even here what has Ryan been responsible for other than the House version of the new tax law?
@bystander:
And is there a sanity clause? I know, I know, there ain’t no Sanity Clause.
Betty Cracker
@joel hanes: Drake needs a better porn name.
PJ
@(((CassandraLeo))): why did she do it? Why did Melania, or Marla, or Ivana marry Trump? Because, as Willie Sutton put it, that’s where the money is. And $10K per night is pretty good wages.
Corner Stone
@PJ:
The last thing Trump would want is custody of that brat. He might use Barron against her for money negotiations but he would lumber slowly away screaming if he was awarded custody in the end.
AnotherBruce
@Corner Stone: Three Democrats? That’s what we call in the business “a small sample size”. I don’t know what those idiots are trying to prove, but don’t we get enough of our fill of moron from the White House?
SFAW
@GregB:
“Gollee, I swear that it takes a real leader, and a REAL man, not at all UPPITY, to be able to have a porn star begging him to boink her! And he paid her because he was trying to make sure that she had enough walking-around cash. Would that Kenyan Moooslim EVER be MAN enough to do that? Hell, NO! And if he did, he’d be lying. Or something.”
Amir Khalid
Bill and Hillary’s is by far not the first marriage in politics to deal with infidelity. It’s greatly to their credit (perhaps hers more than his) that they chose to work through the crisis and managed to stay together. But the Republican party hates them just for being, never mind for being basically good if flawed people or for being Democrats.
In contrast, they are not disappointed by Trump’s many flaws; they have never held him to any standard of honesty, ability, or basic decency, and they’re not about to start now. The base thrills to this garish clown who shares its bigoted and spiteful collective id. He is first and foremost a poke in the Democrats’ eye. And the party establishment is just going along because he’s nominally on their side. Meanwhile his presidency stumbles closer to unravelling every day.
I doubt he will be the first POTUS to get divorced while in office, though. He will not want to suffer the extra embarrassment of a divorce. While he is stuck in the Oval Office, so is Melania stuck in the White House.
Jeffro
Hey! Forget about this Trump/Russia stuff…Def Leppard’s FINALLY going to start streaming all of their music! And not just ‘Pyromania’ and ‘Hysteria’, either! No sir, ‘Mirror Ball’, ‘Songs from the Sparkle Lounge’, ALL of it! Man, is 2018 going to ROCK!
/eyeroll
I’m not buying it. Maybe he says that every other day, but not every day…
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Corner Stone: @AnotherBruce: That Dixiecrats haven’t learned anything from the last 12 months? Otherwise I got nothin’ either.
Jeffro
@Corner Stone
Also, all of her testimony would just be old Michelle Obama quotes…that’s not very helpful to the prosecution.
Brachiator
@Corner Stone:
Yeah. Howard Hughes was supposedly a germaphobe, but had quite a few affairs and marriages, but no kids that anyone knows about.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Corner Stone: They have to be prepared to work when their agent calls with a gig, so they have to maintain their schedule of testing for STD’s. When they show up on location(usually a nice home here in The Valley), they have to present proof of age and proof of their STD test. If the STD test is too old for the particular production company(most require a test be done monthly, some every 2 weeks), they wont be performing.
Roger Moore
@gvg:
They can’t be forced to testify against each other, but that privilege can be waived. In most states, it’s the spouse who’s the party to the legal action who has the right to decide if it’s waived or not, but under federal law it’s the one who’s testifying. So in a Federal case, Melania could choose to burn Donald if she’s pissed enough.
Cacti
@Mary G:
It’s the racism too.
Not a chance in hell Obama would have sniffed the White House if he had 5 kids by 3 different wives. It would have been evidence of his “ghetto values” or some other dog whistle.
Jeffro
@SFAW: Bumper sticker thought: “porn star briber < tan suit wearer. Just sayin' "
danielx
@Anonymous At Work:
Well, at one point Melania did say she married him for his money.
Given that she knew what she was getting into (how could she not?), I feel a certain amount of reluctant sympathy for the woman. She was already married to the biggest fool and laughingstock in the world, and now she finds out he has a thing for being spanked by porn stars…while she was pregnant with his spawn.
PJ
@Corner Stone: Anything and everything would be used against Melania, as you note, to drive down whatever amount Trump might have to pay, but also out of general maliciousness, which would come into play if divorce were filed while he’s in the White House, because in his eyes, it would done just to humiliate him. Trump has no interest in spending time with Barron, but he does want to be seen as a “winner”. And if he did win, he would just ship the kid off to boarding school, so no harm done.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@?BillinGlendaleCA: From my understanding, the major studios all require them to get tested at least once every two weeks, and some studios even require once every ten days. Amongst sexually active people, active porn performers may actually be one of the least likely groups of people to have STIs.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore: Most are on the pill, unless they want to get pregnant from their significant other(a good number, both male and female are married).
Jeffro
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Nickel bet says they write it off on their taxes as “business expenses”, too. And really…they probably should…
chopper
@(((CassandraLeo))):
the dude gets winded licking stamps. he was probably huffing and puffing before she even took off her shirt.
Gelfling 545
@Served: Hope Chuck says “no backsies”.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@(((CassandraLeo))): Why did she do it, money. Almost all female porn stars escort(a nice word for hooking), however they will pretty much all deny that they do.
Nicole
@danielx:
She went on TV spouting the same birther crap her husband was. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. None.
Peale
I wish we’d be a little clearer about what the issue is. Did Donald Trump use campaign funds or PAC funds to pay off Stormy Daniels? Just like the question was Did Bill Clinton misuse the power of his office to cover up the perfectly legal affair. Stormy Daniels didn’t happen while Trump was in office or running for office so of course that affair in itself isn’t going to lead to impeachment. Bill Clinton’s affair happened while he was in office and involved and employee so that was going to be investigated even if it wasn’t a witch hunt. Did Bill give her special favors? Did Bill give her rides on Air Force One? Let her wear the hope diamond? Pressure her to lie to investigators by offering her a promotion or demotion? That sort of thing happens in the private sector all the time. Trump paid her money while he was running for office. That’s the problem. Where did that come from? If it turns out he paid from his own pocket then there’s nothing much to see here.
Amir Khalid
@Jeffro:
I doubt there’s any need to write off their STD tests under an euphemism, since the IRS already knows what they do and would expect to see such expenses listed.
Gelfling 545
@Litlebritdifrnt: According to the pre-nup I understand that Melania was permitted one pregnancy. Presumably any other little “accidents” would have to be aborted.
trollhattan
@Betty Cracker:
My suggestion: “Stormy Moanday.”
Tuesday’s just as bad.
Brachiator
@Amir Khalid:
I think that Trump is beyond being worried about embarrassment.
Well, maybe his ego would be hurt if Melania dumped him.
Corner Stone
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Is it weird to consider that the adult film industry has a higher ethical standard and care for people than the WH and Republican Congress does?
(My understanding is they enacted rigorous testing because they were about to get shut down. So it was a plan to allow everyone to keep letting the money flow. But still.) Although, I do feel a little skeptical about the testing regime. it reminds me of MLB or NFL testing. However, I defer to your innate knowledge of naughty parts making naughty noises while being recorded.
Betty Cracker
@Amir Khalid: I’d be very surprised if the Trumps get divorced while defiling the White House too. But man, is Melania ever in the driver’s seat with this porn scandal hanging over Trump’s bulbous orange head. The media hasn’t paid 1/100th of the attention the same story would get if Trump were a Democrat, but that would change if Melania decided to hold a press conference and announce she’s going to leave his ass over it. She probably won’t, but I hope she’s extracting concessions from him (not because I like her; she’s despicable. I just despise him more).
trollhattan
@chopper:
Trump, following his stamp-licking triggered nap: “That reminds me, I’m supposed to kill the Post Office. Miller, get your Jew ass in here!”
Spanky
Now don’t go gettin’ all excited, ladies! Vlad’s taken off his shirt again:
ETA: My favorite part of the article:
“This post was updated to correctly describe the Julian calendar.”
JR
Sly reference there, Doug.
Gelfling 545
@Corner Stone: Who lnows? Rupert Murdoch may be ready to move on to a new wife.
kindness
Sadly Republicans and most the MSM are hypocritical lying sacks of shit.
We just have to share a world with them. They’ll never admit it. They’ll never bring the subject up. If we bring the subject up (the hypocrisy) they will change the subject.
The French. Their revolution is looking better and better over time.
scav
@Corner Stone: Might be exactly the root source from whence all the rumors of showers comes from.
trollhattan
@Betty Cracker:
Can we be this lucky? I know my vote but won’t jinx by sharing.
Our French exchange student from last summer, when the topic of Melania came up, “Ooh, she hate him.” Smart girl.
Corner Stone
@AnotherBruce: It was part of a follow up from a series Nicolle Wallace did a year ago. I don’t know how many people she interviewed, in total. These were just three they showed a segment of. WTS, I imagine a large chunk of those she talked to a year ago would probably echo similar themes these three morons stated.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Corner Stone: Every time a performer tests positive for HIV all shooting stops. It happened a couple of years ago. That’s why they take it very seriously.
Gelfling 545
@Princess: I have never understood why a husband’s sexual misdoings should humiliate the wife. Rage, heartbreak, loathing – any of those. But humiliation? She didn’t do anything wrong.
Kay
@Leto:
I don’t think we know what the 130k was for. What we have is an LLC that was set up to transfer money secretly. That transfer happened right before the election so it makes perfect sense to assume 2 things- that the hush money pay off was what it was for and that it was the only payment. But we don’t know that. Trump could have been paying this person once a month or once a year since 2006 and it only became NECESSARY to hide the payment in 2016.
It’s an odd number, 130k. It’s too low. He’s cheap and he doesn’t like to pay people so maybe that’s why it’s low but A payment doesn’t mean THE ONLY payment and “hush money” is probably a better thing to say he’s paying for than something like “escort services”, right?
Just One More Canuck
@?BillinGlendaleCA: You seem to have a great depth of knowledge of that industry
Amir Khalid
@Corner Stone:
The people who work in pr0n are something of an outsider community. They do something the mainstream disapproves of even while eagerly consuming their product. So they stick together.
Corner Stone
God, three more Trump voters on MSNBC. Three white women from PA, self-described “Ever Trumpers”. Delusional morons. The black man left office and suddenly people are feeling more hopeful about the future and economy. Huh. Funny how that works.
The Moar You Know
Not defending the complicit media or the Orange Awfulness, but everybody, even Trump’s most ardent defenders, know his “marriage” is a business arrangement at best, an utter sham. The media went after the Clintons because it hurt them both personally. Neither Trump nor Melania give a shit about each other, so they won’t bother.
Brachiator
@Corner Stone:
It’s a practical matter. The number of active porn performers is fairly small, and they work with each other, so an outbreak of an STD or AIDS would obviously spread like wildfire. And of course, the industry was trying to minimize the use of condoms, because this did not appeal to most viewers.
You wouldn’t have an equivalent problem in the NFL or MLB unless athletes were sharing needles or having sex with each other.
ETA. Obviously AIDS can be considered an STD, but most others are not as deadly these days.
FlipYrWhig
@patrick II:
Oh my fucking God it’s just like his McDonald’s fetish.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Just One More Canuck: I live where the industry is centered.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@FlipYrWhig: Yup.
Doug!
@trollhattan:
I thought this lyric was a bit subtler
Amir Khalid
@trollhattan:
In fairness, it’s hard to miss how Donald and Melania treat their marriage like the dead body in Weekend At Bernie’s.
Corner Stone
@Amir Khalid:
A shower in between shoots would probably go a long way to resolving that.
Betty Cracker
@Corner Stone: None of the media outlets can quit those stupid fucks. Let us know if they ever tease a segment with “watch these Trump voters get pepper-sprayed in the eyes!” I’d tune in for that!
Kay
@Leto:
“Follow the money” isn’t just the obvious thing here, it’s the ONLY thing anyone can do with Trump. They all lie. Constantly. “Following” anything else is an absolute waste of time. They’re denying it right now even WITH the records. What they say is weirdly irrelevant. It literally doesn’t matter. There will either be enough records to prove they’re lying or there won’t be.
patrick II
@oatler.:
Worse than that. They are interviewing several educated women Trump supporters who love the job Trump is doing. Their IRA’s are up — end of story.
JR
@kindness: “If only I could leave my balls to Robespierre…”
Brachiator
@The Moar You Know:
I don’t know anything about the Trump marriage, and don’t much care.
I didn’t care that much about the Clinton marriage. Their business. But I agree that the media and Clinton enemies loved trying to poke into it or make judgments about it.
ETA: A co-worker wanted my opinion about a supposed expose about the Clintons. I read it and actually changed his mind about his reflexive distrust of the Clintons. I noted, for example, that the book seemed to simply regurgitate every lie and rumor and factoid about the Clintons without evaluation. So, Hillary was either a cold ice maiden who was incapable of love, a lesbian, or wildly in love with Clinton even though he cheated on her. It was impossible for all these things to be true at the same time, and the point seemed to be to give every reader something they could hang onto to justify their Clinton hate.
Eural Joiner
Just FYI – if you’ve got the time and the interest take a listen to Jon Ronson’s “Butterfly Effect” podcast on Amazon or Youtube. He takes one “event” and then traces it’s impact each season. This season is the creation of Pornhub and it.is.mind.blowing. (Seriously, you will learn A LOT about the current state of porn on this planet!)
Peale
@Brachiator:
Wait, you mean “Opening Day” and “Pitchers and Catchers vol I-IV” weren’t documentaries?
Amir Khalid
@Corner Stone:
[Golf clap]
Corner Stone
@Betty Cracker: “Coming up next. We interview a group of Trump voters, spill scalding hot coffee into their laps and see how many times it takes before they say they regret voting for Trump. Stay Tuned!”
Leto
@Peale: Considering his long standing penchant of not paying for anything, the source of the money is important.
Corner Stone
@Peale: Huh. That gives all new meaning to, “He’s lost some heat off his fastball.” And, “He’s a five tool player.”
Brachiator
@Eural Joiner:
I recently listened to an interview with Ronson about “The Butterfly Effect” and it was very interesting. I am just added the podcast to my commute rotation.
@Peale:
Ha! Excellent sports and pr0n titles.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Brachiator: I would have thought that Adam’s “Penetration at All Levels” would have already been used as a porn title, alas it hasn’t.
trollhattan
@Doug!:
Always go with the Classics (IV).
Roger Moore
@PJ:
I’m less confident. If she had filed for divorce earlier, it would look as if it were coming from her wanting to end the marriage. Now that there’s a highly publicized infidelity, she’ll have a lot more public sympathy. So if her primary reason for not doing it before was public perception, she is in a much better position now.
jl
Shithole Shutdown drama is a good demonstration that Congressional GOP is just as bad as Trump, but in different ways. They vile cynicism of McConnell and Ryan is breathtaking, almost beautiful and sublime in its purity. They stonewall Dems, and the country, on DACA and CHIP for months, then play games in a transparent attempt to get a shutdown that they think they can blame on the Democrats, and put off dealing with DACA and CHIP, or use it as stick, with no carrot, again later on.
Even without Trump blowing up the scheme, I don’t think it would work. Too easy to summarize in 30 second attack adds, which I hope are coming soon. I generally don’t like simplistic 30 second attack ads, but if that is what it takes, so be it. And this particular story is pretty simple.
burnspbesq
@Corner Stone:
Does anything about Trump figure?
It forces you to wonder how much of Trump’s “executive time” is spent on LiveJasmin, and which Federal agency is paying for it.
Facebones
Well, I just got a notification from New York magazine that Andrew Sullivan has just posted an article all about the #MeToo movement! I’m sure gonna click on that because there’s no way that could be a misogynistic, equivocating, waste of time.
Brachiator
We are in a world of hurt. No matter what Trump does to them, no matter how much he fails them, they will be loyal to him. I’ve heard Trumpers say “if only the Democrats would leave Trump alone and let him do what we elected him to do, then everything would be all right.”
Trump cannot fail. He can only be failed.
jl
And it is very mind bending to see the twists and somersaults the corporate media plays trying to keep balance.It should be public knowledge that everyone knows the 2000 mile solid border wall is BS. Trump said so himself in the call to the president of Mexico that was leaked. And Trump is clearly signalling that he isn’t going to build it. But everyone is supposed to pretend it is a real issue.
But my opinion probably differs from most here. If I were Dem leadership, I’d compromise on wall funding, and loudly explain publicly that it is all BS, and Trump knows it is BS. Just put enough wriggle room in the language so the spending can be delayed long enough so that the money can be used for useful border security later on.
JDM
@JMG: the thing is that Melania has more clout in a divorce right now than she will ever have again. If she goes in with the offer to sign an additional NDA if she gets what she wants Trump will be under a lot of pressure to give her what she wants, no matter what their pre-nup says. And her body language, facial expressions, and living arrangements (she didn’t need to stay in NYC all that time) tells us she really doesn’t want to be there with Trump. Waiting, too – either for a later divorce or his big heart attack – is dangerous, what with Mueller et al. digging into the Trump family’s history of money laundering and fraud; there may not be any money left if she waits a few years.
jl
@JDM: Can Melania get the presidency in a divorce deal? If so, I’d be all in.
Edt: from what I’ve heard of her pic spread history, maybe pair up with Michelle, if she becomes available.
Roger Moore
@Corner Stone:
I think it’s better than that. Professional sports leagues test their athletes because they’re under pressure from their fans. They’re largely in charge of their own testing. That lets them run it largely as a PR exercise, where they use their ability to catch the occasional athlete who’s too stupid to cheat competently as proof that their testing works. The porn industry is under real threat of being shut down by the government, and the performers are worried about catching diseases for which there’s no cure, so they have a strong incentive to have effective testing.
Betty Cracker
@Facebones: Good God, seriously?
SenyorDave
Trump is a racist, he brought in hard core racists like Bannon and Miller. At this point if you support him you are a racist. If you voted for Strom Thurmond in 19478 for president you were a racist, why should support for Trump be any different?
efgoldman
@Kay:
Well, it’s what they do. They’re not the 5th Avenue Journal.
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
The Republican Party is a cult. They’re an unusual one in that they have a regular process for replacing the cult leader, but they are a cult.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
Trump is the dirtiest player in the league, but he’s on the Republicans team, so, Yay, go Big Daddy!
That’s the bottom line.
Ruckus
@danielx:
You don’t think it’s possible that he shares the stories with her, just to piss her off? IOW what makes you think she didn’t know?
FlipYrWhig
@Brachiator: They’re like a quarter of the country. My two-word suggestion for how to handle them is “Fuck them.” I don’t care what they think, I don’t care what they like, let’s just outnumber them and point and laugh and let them twist in the fucking wind until they die miserable deaths.
zhena gogolia
@Served:
The Blazing Saddles gifs in that thread are hilarious but also so sad. How I wish we could have Hedley Lamarr or Lepetomane.
efgoldman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: How you know this stuff? You gonna’ try to tell us “it’s common knowledge in the Valley” or some such bull?
NorthLeft12
@mai naem mobile: Really? You think Deadbeat Donald actually PAID for an abortion?
I think he is the type of douchecanoe who would completely leave it up to the woman. Then he would go around bragging about his great genes and fantastic sperm.
Damn, I hate that scuzzbucket.
Timurid
@FlipYrWhig:
At this point in American politics Trump has the support of the only two groups that matter… people who can end your career with a phone call and people who could be waiting for you in the parking garage one night with a machete. As long as he has them, nobody dares to cross him.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore: It’s more peer pressure, if someone tests positive the whole industry shuts down and nobody gets paid. Some studios had guaranteed contracts(Vivid Girls), most performers work on a gig basis.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
If she’s in it only for the money, then she isn’t going anywhere unless the money stops. She already knows how much she’s getting (in whatever form she’s getting it in, cash-which I doubt would amount to much, or lifestyle. She isn’t going to be able to live that way on her own earning power so where does that leave her? Right where she is. He’s going to have to do something pretty bad for her to walk away now.
jl
@Ruckus:
” You don’t think it’s possible that he shares the stories with her, just to piss her off? IOW what makes you think she didn’t know? ”
If Melania wants a divorce, I think the real reason is the Trump promised her he would lose the general election. That is what I think the Wolff book indicates.
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
Why does this sound familiar? Where have I heard it before?
This is the logic stream from most 5 yr olds, I didn’t get my way, I’m going to hold my breath longer. Begs the question, do all conservatives have the maturity of a 5 yr old?
FlipYrWhig
@Timurid: Eh, I mostly see a lot of flabby white losers. I’ll take my chances.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@efgoldman: I read some stuff and lots in common knowledge in The Valley. When I moved here, I was looking at Google Maps at the neighborhood, saw one business name and said, “bet that’s a porn company”, sure enough it’s a porn distributor.
Princess
@Gelfling 545: Oh absolutely. But is has to feel humiliating to hear that your husband, however you feel about him, entirely dismissed your existence to a porn star (or anyone else).
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Ruckus:
Yes.
trollhattan
@NorthLeft12:
His contribution would be having a limo drop her off at PP.
Leto
I don’t know if this is a take it with a grain of salt type thing: By a 20-point margin, more Americans blame President Trump and Republicans rather than Democrats for a potential government shutdown, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. Will they actually pay a price (both electorally/permanently)? Hope springs eternal…
SenyorDave
@Facebones: Well, I just got a notification from New York magazine that Andrew Sullivan has just posted an article all about the #MeToo movement!
I just skimmed the article but as one of the comments says, it basically boils down to men and women are different, just let boys be boys. And its why men are abandoning the Democratic party. Overall, pretty predictable response for Sully, question is when he does he start supporting Trump?
Also, he says the Democrats should give Trump is wall because somehow that will lead to reasonable immigration reform.
Gin & Tonic
I saw a report on Twitter that Chuck Schumer was seen leaving the WH without stopping to talk to the cameras. I find that awfully hard to believe.
Ruckus
@jl:
And if she wants a divorce winning may work better for her. First of all she doesn’t have to spend as much time with him, plus. Second, her lifestyle may have gone up, plus. Third, now that so many have actually had to see how fucked up he is, she gets a boost from the you poor thing side, plus. Fourth, she may loose whatever she was scheduled to get, including the lifestyle if he gets caught being the douchenozzle that we all know he is, minus. So that’s three against one.
efgoldman
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
The logic skills, also too
Ruckus
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
It was a rhetorical, as if that wasn’t obvious.
Corner Stone
@Gin & Tonic: He went before cameras and answered a handful of questions. Nothing substantive. Just, “We’re still working.”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Ruckus: Hey, don’t take away my chance to be the one word answer guy.
jl
@Leto: One factor may be that both DACA and CHIP have been in public awareness as major unresolved policy issues, so people have been following progress on fixes. GOP can only get away with their very cynical and manipulative blame game if public doesn’t know that they have been stonewalling on fixes for months. For example, Hatch’s statement that couldn’t renew CHIP because (paraphrase) ‘we ran out of money’ was in the news not that long ago, because it came too soon after passage of the GOP giga-rich person’s tax heist, and media news divas had a nice prepackaged ‘gotcha’.
The GOP is desperate, or have convinced themselves that they can say any damn thing and the public will fall for it.
@Ruckus: I try to stay away from judging politicians kin if they don’t go advocate for noxious policies. But, my reluctant sympathy factor for Melania went up when I read that she was so shocked by his win that she broke into tears on election night.
Just as my reluctant sympathy factor for Laura Bush went up when I read that she was a private and very quiet factor in pushing for some of his very few good conservation and education initiatives.
Spanky
@Gin & Tonic: Don’t believe it. Here’s the headline @ WaPo:
Gin & Tonic
@Corner Stone: Whew, thanks. The thought that Schumer could have avoided a waiting camera made me feel like the space-time continuum was tearing.
Brachiator
@FlipYrWhig:
Since these people are not all elderly racists, they are not all going to die any time soon. And sadly, there will be more to replace them.
We will see what happens in the midterms. Hopefully, there will be a significant dent in their influence as reflected in the Congress.
In the meantime, Trump will continue his ravaging of the country, and his increasingly open and blatant attempts to make racism one of the cornerstones of government policy, abetted by his most wicked supporters.
Yarrow
@NorthLeft12:
Paying for an abortion is way cheaper than paying for a kid.
Lyrebird
@Leto:
Nicely put. I really dislike the invasion of privacy that goes on with running for national office these days, particularly when it messes up the littler folks (e.g. Monica). I have ZERO interest in finding out what Orangemandias likes a consenting, legal-age partner to do in bed or whatever. He shows more sea-slug than human qualities so far as I see.
IF however they find proveable money laundering here, that’s news I could use!
@efgoldman:
You’re good! You’re good!
Spanky
@Leto:
Well I don’t think so. I think it’s important for the Dems to know that the majority of the country agrees with them. Had the numbers gone the other way it would be only too easy for the Dem Senators to go wobbly.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Spanky: They’ve got a whole 8 hours to work this out, shouldn’t be a problem.
Shana
@Corner Stone: Wasn’t there a story from Ivana recently that Trump was making big noises about wanting shared custody of the kids during the divorce so he could pay less in alimony/child support and Ivana called his buff. Said “sure, come get the kids, keep them for a week or two every month.” He folded.
jl
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
” “bet that’s a porn company”, sure enough it’s a porn distributor. ”
When in a hole, quit digging. How did you find that out?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Lyrebird:
I do have an interest if he committed a crime by paying for consent.
Lyrebird
@Ruckus: And if she’s his handler, who knows how many more factors might be at play. It would be foolish not to speculate…
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: The Internet Adult Film Database.
(Keep digging, silly jl.)
Spanky
Here’s an interesting tidbit from J-Rubs:
So yeah, let’s blame the Democrats.
MJS
@Yarrow: I don’t believe Donald paid for an abortion. Now, did the Trump foundation pay for one or more abortions? You bet!
FlipYrWhig
@Brachiator:
Gun fondlers, paranoaics, and Florida Man are all endlessly innovative in finding new ways to die unexpectedly soon.
jl
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Could easily be a distributor of documentaries. I’d never think immediately that it was P rawn OH.
BTW, I like thinking up funny spellings, I ain’t using the word even if I can now.
Monala
OMG. This post reminded me of when Huma Abedin left Anthony Weiner, and the FTFNYT wrote an article asking what “shadows and concerns” it might raise for Hillary Clinton’s campaign. As if the article itself weren’t bad enough, they had the nerve to ask Donald Trump what he thought about what the Abedin/Weiner split meant for Clinton’s fitness for office, without ever once mentioning Trump’s sorry-ass, exploitative relationship history.
No Drought No More
Schumer just blew a big, fat kiss to congressional republicans, claiming that Trump and Trump alone will be responsible for a shutdown.
I say: GODDAMN those idiot congressional democrats willing to concede that republicans possess even an ounce of good will, or are prepared to deal in good faith ABOUT ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN. WTF doesn’t Schumer understand about that stone cold fact? I for one have grown intolerant of such spineless behavior and rhetoric, and I’m willing to see replaced any or all democrats unwilling to acknowledge the republican party as a mortal threat to our democracy.
Lyrebird
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Good point. Count me in the “sex work should be legal” category, but hey, if the current laws help put him behind bars, excellent.
And hey – your time lapse sunset thing was absolutely beautiful!
Brachiator
@Ruckus:
Also a play on the deliberately ridiculous Chuck Norris jokes from the past.
Unfortunately, even if conservatives have the maturity of 5 year olds, the actions of the GOP leadership has profoundly negative consequences for everyone.
jl
@Spanky: Thanks. I didn’t realize McConnell was bluffing on that front this morning. That slimeball must be running on empty in terms of stunts. The media has been far to eager to run with BS GOP talking points in reporting the Shithole Shutdown Drama, so I hope fact that Senate GOP is underwater itself is reported.
KithKanan
@jl: I don’t give a fuck what we get in exchange for it, I’m a single issue voter on wall funding – I’m still a yellow dog democrat in the general, but any Dem who votes to fund the wall loses my primary vote forever. Period.
If the symbolism matters that much to them, it matters that much to me. Not a penny to build the wall, but if it ever does get built I’d gladly support a Trillion to leave no trace that it ever existed.
danielx
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Years ago I was reviewing a marketing plan in which a phrase indicated that “market penetration must be hard, fast and deep.” I redlined it and sent it back to the author with a note that he might want to consider rephrasing, lest somebody at a much higher level than me take offense. Response was something like “um…oh yeah, better redo that line.” Blinding flash of the obvious….
jl
@No Drought No More: I’ll wait until facts on what happened this morning become clear before I judge. You have a link?
FlipYrWhig
@No Drought No More: Uh, maybe it’s because there are a handful or more of Senate Republicans who’d vote with Schumer on the issues precipitating this shutdown?
tobie
@No Drought No More: Right now, Graham, Flake, and Collins are also withholding support for the CR. Maybe Schumer doesn’t want to insult them (yet) in the hope he can get them to hold firm and demand a vote on the compromise immigration reform package as a condition for the CR? I dunno, but it strikes me that it’s in his interest to sow divisions among the Republicans.
Oops…I see FlipYrWhig made that point more succinctly one comment up.
Jeffro
@Gin & Tonic:
Yup – second only to McCain.
Schumer probably got tired of trying to explain to president* manbaby that his party could actually, y’know, try to govern…
Corner Stone
@No Drought No More: What is wrong with this approach given where we are now? Trump unilaterally blew up a working agreement the other day, after saying out loud he’d sign anything.
Brachiator
@SenyorDave:
@Facebones:
I’m reading the Sullivan piece. I must be a glutton for punishment. I could not make it past the first paragraphs. The stupid definitely burned my eyes.
Logic check. Since Sullivan was never a woman, nor ever had any drugs that made him into a woman, he has no basis of comparison from which he can make even hormone addled statements about the differences between men and women.
The rest is based on the standard false assertion that scientists agree what chromosomes and hormones tell us about sex and gender. He’s not even doing selective reading of the research. He’s just making shit up.
schrodingers_cat
@Brachiator: But he still keeps getting published by prestigious outlets. Has he weighed in on the immigration debate?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Lyrebird: Thanks, I bought the program I used to create it(I was using an evaluation copy to see if it’d work).
ETA: I agree that paying for sex should be legal, but it’s not currently the case*(except for theatrical performances in some jurisdictions).
*Some counties in Nevada excepted.
different-church-lady
There’s also a strong chance Trump is the first president to wander out of the White House and go missing for three weeks before he’s found naked at the edge of a freeway.
Brachiator
@FlipYrWhig:
Too small a subset of conservative racists to be meaningful.
Did you catch the story about conservative “thinker” appearing on Tucker Carlson and openly supporting white supremacists?Trump is stirring up the cockroaches and they are emerging from the woodwork.
Peale
@danielx: As someone who measures market penetration and does market sizing for a living, I would add that we have no metrics for hard so its probably best not to include that as an attribute.
rikyrah
@Kay:
The money tells the truth, Kay.
Always does.
Following it, gets you a good story.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Has Jethreen been asked for an official White House take on the porn star trump paid off so she wouldn’t tell people he likes to be spanked?
I want to shower after typing that
jl
I don’t see how Schumer is letting Congressional GOP off the hook if he is saying this. He sounded friendlier about Trump (though that must be a white lie)
“They’re in charge,” Schumer said Friday as he entered his Capitol office. “They’re not talking to us. They’re totally paralyzed and inept. There’s no one to negotiate with.”
Shutdown deadline nears; no accord in Trump-Schumer meeting
https://apnews.com/f1bb3930b9ca4328ae5fe8bb806a426f?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
Corner Stone
“Making America Horny Again” *
*Official name of Stormy Daniel’s American strip club tour.
Brachiator
@schrodingers_cat:
Inertia. He is someone who can write quickly, and he has a number of contacts. You see a lot of this in the media. They want people they can quickly go to and get a hot take on some current issue.
Well, he talked about giving Trump his wall because it might make racists feel better and redirect Trump’s attention to some other issue.
More stupidity.
elsewhere there was an essay about Ajit Pai that I found interesting. The writer really wants to take him down.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: And if not, why is the WH Correspondent from Playboy even credentialed to be there?
Mandalay
@Facebones:
You got one out of three right; he wasn’t equivocating…
Nobody could have predicted that feminists on the left are a bigger threat to gay males than the Trump Administration…except Sullivan.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Peale:
Just remember to massage those numbers.
FlipYrWhig
@Mandalay: Sure, “plenty” of gay antifeminist Trumpies, right. Milo Yaneverknowcouldbealotopos and at least 5 more.
trollhattan
@Yarrow:
Trump math invoked.
Offers to pay for abortions: 100+
Abortions paid for: <10.
Brachiator
@Peale:
Are we talking about Trump and Stormy Daniels again?
schrodingers_cat
@Brachiator: I am not a Konkani speaker or a GSB*, and unlike Pai and this woman, I was not born here. I probably identify more with their parents than the likes of Pai or Haley. I also find these debates of “model” minorities tiresome in the extreme. I am nobody’s model and if I wanted to be told what to do or how to think I would have stayed back in India. I am fluent in two Indian languages and don’t need to denigrate another group to feel good about myself. This seems to be more of second generation thing, the wanting to fit in part.
I have made peace with the fact that I am always going to be somewhat of an outsider whether here or in India. And that’s fine with me for the most part.
ETA: FWIW Indian Americans went for HRC bigly 82% or something like that voted for her. So fucking Pai and Haley may be prominent but are outliers.
opiejeanne
@Gelfling 545: That’s monstrous.
notoriousJRT
@Mary G: Bingo!
Peale
@Brachiator: Hasn’t quite wrapped his head around the fact that they are assuming that all immigrants have cheated somehow, even those who are here with papers. And that family members are just able to write to uncle sam and bring in Bozo Brother In Law if they want to, and that the country grants asylum to thousands, and that everyone from a poor country is a refugee who lied about being able to support themselves, and that “diversity” lottery winners aren’t screened and just get in because they are black and don’t have to proove at all that they work in occupations that might keep them gainfully employed. And that there is this this big pool of rich refugees we could somehow tap into if we wanted to. You know, those who were driven from their homes and are living in camps but have assets with hedge funds. Those folks surely exist.
No, its all about border security and its only Mexico that they care about.
schrodingers_cat
@Peale: When the nativists find out that the countries that sent the most “skilled” immigrants to the United States last year were India, China, Mexico and the Philippines, their enthusiasm for “skilled immigration” is going to disappear too. Not the likes of Cotton and Miller who are just using skilled immigration as a bait and switch to rail against family reunification but the average clueless T voter.
FlipYrWhig
@Peale: Massive numbers of people think that the increasing presence in America of people browner than the people they grew up with means that the brown people must be sneaking in. I’m not sure they even realize that there are many different kinds of browner people.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
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@jl: Let me help you out with that reluctant sympathy: SHE WAS ALL IN WITH THE RACIST BIRTHERISM AGAINST PBO.
FUCK HER.
Brachiator
@schrodingers_cat:
Thanks for your input on this. In Southern California (and when I lived on the East Coast), I would sometimes see Japanese and Chinese Americans branded with this label of “model minorities” (less so Korean Americans and other East Asian groups), and I didn’t think this stuff was either historically accurate or helpful.
I appreciate your input on this.
Brachiator
@schrodingers_cat:
See my post 188 here, about the conservative commentator openly pitching white supremacist ideas on the Fox Tucker Carlson show.
Trump and his nativist advisors are quickly trying to normalize racism. And nonwhite people are being assaulted from every angle. Trevor Noah recently made the succinct point that Trump is shifting from being opposed to “illegal” immigration to being opposed to all nonwhite immigration.
Tucker Carlson’s guest made that explicit point that the economic contribution of nonwhite immigrants is irrelevant. These people are dangerous because they are different, and their cultural values make white people nervous.
Note also here that this idiot discounts the feelings and opinions of all nonwhite citizens.
And all of this has been pushed before by either Trump or his chief advisors.
SiubhanDuinne
@different-church-lady:
O pleez o pleez o pleez ……
J R in WV
@Corner Stone:
No, unfortunately for Barron, he would not. He would send him to a boarding school, probably a military oriented one, which would probably destroy the boy. But that’s what he would do – how he was treated by his father, probably for being a little sociopath at home.
Barron isn’t a sociopath, now, but he could be turned into one by Trump’s parenting. Melania is probably all too aware of all that.
J R in WV
@efgoldman:
I don’t live there, but I imagine it’s all been in the local newspapers as it is a big industry out there.
J R in WV
@different-church-lady:
Oh, please! Please!!
J R in WV
Here is my take on racism:
It is extremely stupid, because we all come from Africa if you go back very far at all. IIRC at one point the number of reproducing humans was reduced to a few thousand, which was quite dangerous, not that anyone knew about the genetics at the time.
But they all knew that times were very hard and that their tribe was in danger of dying out.
So, really, we are all cousins, all of us. I for one welcome all my cousins to the family.
ETA: Except for the racists and fascists and criminal gangsters, fuck them. Republicans of all nations, not my family!
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Brachiator: I’m slowpoking here a bit, since this thread is already pretty dead, but it’s not merely that condoms don’t appeal to viewers; the performers (of all genders, and with few exceptions) also don’t like them, and from my understanding, they don’t actually even work for porn shoots. The explanation I’ve heard is that condoms are designed for people to fuck continuously and then discard. While almost everyone outside of a porn studio has sex that way, that isn’t what happens in most porn shoots; it’s rare for performers to fuck continuously during them. Condoms aren’t designed to handle the start-stop nature of porn shoots, and in fact, if you use them in such a fashion, that apparently actually increases the risk of transmitting an infection, because they’ll probably break and will definitely cause friction burns. I don’t fully understand the physics behind this, but I presume switching condoms each time shooting restarts either isn’t practical (it would certainly be incredibly annoying) or doesn’t actually solve the problems with breaking/friction burns.
At any rate, since I learned this, I feel a lot less ambivalent about performers not using them during shoots. It does kind of make me wonder why no manufacturer has researched creating a condom that works for porn. I assume the likeliest explanation is that there just isn’t enough of a market for them to offset the R&D costs, though that seems at least moderately implausible to me given how many porn shoots there are each year. Guess it depends what the R&D costs would be.
@FlipYrWhig: Around these parts, it’s spelt “Fuckem”, FYI, courtesy of esteemed commenter efgoldman. But good attitude.