Late Night Open Thread: On the Lighter Side…

Some people just make a farewell phone call to their loved ones, but…


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And a reminder (via Josh Marshall) from one of this blog’s forgotten chew toys, someone so lightweight I suspect she needs to be securely tethered on windy days…


To save you reading her self-defence: As a devout Randroid, she still doesn’t understand the concept of consent. Best I can tell, McArgleBargle figures that all sexual contact is a matter of “self-interested exchange”… insert your own “free hand of the market” snark below…

39 replies
  1. 1
    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    It seems to me that if you believe that men can be educated into not pursuing self-centered sex, you should also believe that abstinence education could be a very effective way to curb teen pregnancy

    Hey, I think guys can beat the masturbation habit.

  2. 2
    Jerzy Russian says:

    Does anyone here speak Stupid? If so, please provide the Stupid-to-English translation of that last tweet. Thanks.

  3. 3
    Larryb says:

    Huh-huh, you said “insert”.

  4. 4
    efgoldman says:

    I wonder if McMegan puts out for hubby on demand? Does she pretend to like it?
    She’d fuck that up, too, if it involved correct placement of decimal point.

  5. 5
    Brachiator says:

    There’s a multi part podcast called The Butterfly Effect that details how P@rnhub disrupted the hell out of the p@rn industry. I had no idea. I ran across a couple of interesting interviews with the guy behind the story, Jon Ronson.

  6. 6
    Steeplejack says:

    “[. . .] free hand of the market” snark [. . .].

    That’s not a hand.

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    Brachiator says:

    @efgoldman:

    She’d fuck that up, too, if it involved correct placement of decimal point.

    From whence sprung the joke, “is that your decimal point or are you just glad to factor me?”

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @efgoldman: Only on a transactional basis, I assume — the partner who wants it has to bargain for it, as St. Ayn would decree.

    Back in the 1980s, there was discussion among sf/libertarian fans about how the True Free Market people should adress a disparity of individual satisfaction after any particular sexual interaction between bonded partners. (My feminist circle were not participants, but we did look on in horrified fascination… )

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    gVOR08 says:

    Some months ago Limbaugh got all confused about why libs object to pussy grabbing, but are OK with, say, two guys sleeping together. In his confusion he wondered if maybe consent is the key to how libs think. To which every liberal replied, ‘Why yes, it is.’ Is it a general rule that conservatives don’t grasp the concept of consent? It would seem to say something about their lack of empathy and belief in a natural order.

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    satby says:

    So from the above tweet we can surmise she’s a lousy lay because she hasn’t got the first clue about sex. Didn’t really need to know that.

  11. 11
    J R in WV says:

    @satby:

    Me Neither !!

    In theory I’m the correct gender to work it out with “her”, but in practice, I’m human and she is other than.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Randroids (and Donald) do not understand anything but zero sum transactions. This is why they fail.

  13. 13
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Brachiator: If you use “Pr0n” the way everyone else does, you don’t create bogus links.

  14. 14
    lamh36 says:

    Long day at work, so I didn’t spend as much time blog surfing as I usually do.

    Now, I’m off to bed, but first…

    hope this means Dems play hardball!

    @SenSchumer
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    Nobody wants to shut down the govt, not Dems, not the GOP.

    The only one who has ever rooted for a shutdown is @realDonaldTrump who said our country could use “a good shutdown” – only he could come up with that. But no shutdown can be good for the American people.

    10:05 PM – 18 Jan 2018
    https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/954203025488347137

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @efgoldman:

    Rand’s novels feature a lot of super-creepy rape fantasy sex, so I assume that’s what’s going on there.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Also, not every human interaction needs to be a transaction.

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    Tom Levenson says:

    I am deeply grateful not to have to experience the wretched, pallid excuse for consciousness that is McArdle’s inner life.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    abstinence education could be a very effective way to curb teen pregnancy.

    All statistics show abstinence only is a miserable failure. But then again, her calculator doesn’t work.

    This can’t be a Randroid thing. Randians believe in individual gluttony/selfishness. But they don’t have enough troops so they have to make common cause with the religious creeps, who Rand hated, in order to accomplish their selfish aims.

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    Bitter Scribe says:

    Megan, dear, enough with the three-parentheses thing. Your side accepts support from neo-Nazis and often actively courts them, so don’t try to impress us with your solidarity with Jews.

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    Brachiator says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    All statistics show abstinence only is a miserable failure. But then again, her calculator doesn’t work.

    I think she was saying that abstinence education is worthless.

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    Milo says:

    Embarrassed to admit that I don’t see a problem with McArdle’s logic.

    1) We can educate men not to pursue self-centred sex, consensual or otherwise.
    2) Yet we cannot educate teens not to pursue sex at all, self-centered or otherwise.

    Why not?

    Leaving aside the relative merits of that comparison (which are … obvious, and speak to consent), her argument about the efficacy of education stands, no? Why is training men like Aziz Ansari or Louis CK to abstain from abusive or high-pressure sex easier than training teens to abstain from sex entirely?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Milo: Um, maybe because they’re not teenagers?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    If you use “Pr0n” the way everyone else does, you don’t create bogus links

    I didn’t see the problem clearly until I switched to another device and browser. Thanks.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Milo: How do you plan to train men?

    ETA: Cattle prods?

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    father pusbucket says:

    @Brachiator:

    guy behind the story, Jon Ronson

    Does he come from Visconsin?

  26. 26
    Yutsano says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well not with that attitude…

    In all serious, you’re right. We’re not bloody Ferengi.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    If you use “Pr0n” the way everyone else does, you don’t create bogus links.

    Does “P-zero-o-n” create a problem?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Milo:

    Why is training men like Aziz Ansari or Louis CK to abstain from abusive or high-pressure sex easier than training teens to abstain from sex entirely?

    Because we’re not telling them to not have sex, we’re telling them to go about it differently. It’s more akin to condom training (“no glove, no love”) than abstinence education. Condom training is effective, it works, and it drastically cut the spread of AIDS and other STDs, particularly in a population that was entirely male.

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    different-church-lady says:

    It’s not about educating men to stop pursuing “self-centered sex.” It’s about educating men to stop pursuing women who don’t want them.

    HOLY CHRIST McDITZ, IT’S NOT EVEN ABOUT THE SEX — IT’S ABOUT THE ABUSE!!!!

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    different-church-lady says:

    Let’s break this down for the denser members of our commentariat:

    * Abstention is a good thing for teens
    * Not all teens are going to abstain, no matter what you tell them.
    * If they’re not going to abstain (see above), then contraception and education can reduce unwanted pregnancy and STDs
    * Therefore, abstention-only policy SUCKS and is bound for failure.
    * Likewise, encouraging abstention should be part of a two-pronged approach.

    Comparing pencils to steamrollers doesn’t get you anywhere unless you’re writing for The Goon Show. (Pro tip: you’re not writing for The Goon Show.)

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Cookie after every trick.

  32. 32
    Steeplejack says:

    @different-church-lady:

    There’s the shouty DCL I’ve come to love!

    ETA: Heh, you said “two-pronged.”

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    BCHS Class of 1980 says:

    @FlipYrWhig: And also the goal isn’t total abstinence.

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    Vhh says:

    @Anne Laurie: Note that Ayn Rand Inituated and control decades long affair with her much younger acolyte Nathaniel Branden, and paraded it in front of her husband, who mire or less drank himself to death. Despite her dominance in the relationship with Branden, her taste in sex ran to him taking her up against the wall, rather like her protagonists’ style in Atlas Shrugged. When Branden broke off the affair in favor of a younger woman, Rand ex communicated him. Rand hated the Communinists who expropriated her family’s nice bourgeois pharmacy biz, but her Objectivist movement was mirrored a Soviet personality cult.

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    oldster says:

    What a moron.

    “It seems to me that if you believe that people can be educated to use table manners and not grab the food off their neighbor’s plate, you should also believe that they can be taught to give up eating entirely.”

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    Cthulhu says:

    @Milo: Some diets work ergo we should be able to train people to go without food entirely.

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    Cthulhu says:

    @oldster: oops, exactly.

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    Milo says:

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t see it. To me, this is much deeper than saying, ‘put on a condom then do what you want.’ This is a fundamental reordering not just of male sexual behavior, but of male sexual desire. We’re just telling teens not to engage in certain kinds of sex for a few years; we’re telling men to _want_ sex differently. Abstinence is bullshit–and unworkable bullshit, barring massive and inappropriate intervention–but training men to not aggressively pursue women for sex is even harder. Maybe it’s still necessary to try, and if we can cut down on, say, catcalling, that alone would be worth the effort. A ‘no catcalling’ campaign strikes me as doable. That the ‘condom-equivalent.’ But a campaign that trains men not to pressure/pester/harass a woman for sex when they’re alone, horny, and naked?

    My feeling is that many women think that male sexual aggression is a bad habit, but one you can break. Like littering or smoking. Maybe I’m a uniquely horrible man, but I think it’s a much deeper behavior than that, and at least as deep as–and I can’t believe I’m agreeing with McArdle–teens wanting to have penetrative penis/vagina sex.

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    polyorchnid octopunch says:

    The invisible hand of the market clearly chose pr0nhub for rubbing out its post-missile stress.

    Sorry, I just had to.

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