Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Bundle Up

Yes, this is an East-Coast-centric blog, because that’s where most of the front pagers are. And besides, those of you on the other coast (or in distant time zones) ought to be in bed by now, anyways. Thoughts & prayers to those between Florida and Maine whose personal environments weren’t meant to deal with *this* level of chill!

Apart from “not freezing”, what’s on the agenda for the day?

Since Shirley Chisolm was one of my first real-life political heroes, I truly admire this woman’s style:

And speaking of admirable political figures…

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    Hey, it’s 7:50pm here. I don’t go to bed until 8 or even sometimes 8:30.

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    Sab says:

    I have admired David Pepper for years even though he’s on the opposite corner of the state. Yay Temaya Dennard!

    New England storm sucks. My sister lives up there and they no longer have a generator because they gave it to their horses.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    My neighbor died yesterday. RIP Ron.

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    Sab says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: Where are you? Obviously not Vegas (in USA NV)?

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    Sab says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Oh Jeez. I am so sorry. Will you tell us about him?

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    And besides, those of you on the other coast (or in distant time zones) ought to be in bed by now, anyways.

    It’s only 2:05am, geez.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Sab:
    She’s in Brisbane.

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    NotMax says:

    Pfeh. Just past midnight. Shank of the evening.

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    While you all prepare for you bit of snow, the rain is coming here and will hit the burn areas* pretty hard next Tuesday; at least that’s the forecast as of this evening.

    *The Thomas Fire(largest in CA history) is still burning, but 92% contained. The heavy rain should put it out, but will cause the hills to turn into mud that will flow down to the coastal cities(the area between Santa Barbara and Ventura).

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    Sab says:

    @Amir Khalid: At last her nym makes sense to me.

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    Chet says:

    I have a physical scheduled for tomorrow. Accordingly, I’m getting sick.

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    Sab says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Some of us near the east coast have insomnia, so we wake up and have nothing to do because our dogs, cats and jackals are all sleeping.3

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    Sab says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Isnt rain supposed to be good in California?

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    NobodySpecial says:

    Between hurricanes, this thing, and proximity to Trumpolini, the Eastern seaboard is basically unliveable.

    4am here, and doing paperwork at work watching the snow fall. Good morning.

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    @Sab: Heavy rain after a fire is not a good thing, there’s nothing holding the earth together(normally plants do that) and and it just ends up as a mud flow, sort of like you see with a volcano.

    ETA: On a positive note, Trump honored Gov. Jerry’s request and declared the Thomas Fire area a federal disaster area.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    NotMax says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    One way or another, California seems determined to head into the sea.

    ;)

    Blurry video of lahars in Japan.

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    Sab says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I had a comment that was eaten: I had forgotten about the impact of fire on soil.

    Prayers and best wishes for you all (including my RWNJ brother north of SF. He didn’t give a rats’ ass about my health insurance in the last election, but I still worry about his safety.)

    BillinGlendale, I worry about yours more.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Sab:

    At last her nym makes sense to me.

    It’s meant to be a bit sarky. Brisbane is probably the least Vegas-like city in Australia.

    It’s a centre of somnolent, sub-tropical suburbanism.

    Also, wrong gender.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    In the war on ketchup, there is now proof that ketchup can be hazardous to one’s health. Scott Lemieux (or is it Loomis with the ketchup fixation?) over at LG&M must be very happy.

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    @Sab: We’ll be OK here, we’re only going to get a inch or so of rain here in the basin and the closest fire was about 4 miles away(the La Tuna Fire). While I’m not too far from the mighty LA River, it’s pretty well channeled around these parts.

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    Sab says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: Are you a him or a her. I always thought younwere a him. But no one can tell if you are a dog on the internet.

    Also, not really my business to know.

    Got the “she” from Amir

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Sab: Definitely a him. Not that there is anything wrong with being anything else. :-)

    Talking about storms, there seems to be a huge storm battering the Irish coast at the moment, although I see almost nothing about it in the media.

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    @Sab:

    But no one can tell if you are a dog on the internet.

    Sure you can, they make lots of typos, it’s hard to type with paws.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Does that explain who tweets for Trump?

    Does Trump even have a dog?

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    Mary G says:

    I saw one meteorologist say that the “bomb cyclone” would cover the entire Atlantic Ocean. Scary!

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    Quinerly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:So sorry to hear this, Ozark.😢

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    Cermet says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Sorry; my neighbor too, died (in 90’s) but it was the previous week; I knew known since I was a young teen. His father (I also kewn) died after he was 107 (either ever lived or needed a nursing home – each died at home living independently – if only we all could.)

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    Sab says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: Of course there isn’t. Thanks for saying so.

    Glad to know your nym was from Australia. I always thought the alternative take was uncomfortable. (my first husband was Jewish.)

    I dont know much about Brisbane.

    I lived in Las Vegas Nevada for four years. Hated the climate, liked the people, had MAJOR issues with the political climate.

    Everyone was tribal. No conception of charity outside their religious tribe. The local womens shelter ( which was BIG, protecting spouses from domestic violence) fed everyone with bag lunches of boloney sandwiches because they couldn’t get funding for a kitchen.

    Steve Wynn, who was otherwise an asshole locally, was very charitable but he wasn’t about to be the only rich guy on board.

    Basic civic responsibility in my midwestern USA part of the world was beyond their capabilities in Vegas.

    How do you not feed and protect battered wives and their children?

    They were much worse on animal shelters. All the competing interests (county v. city, humane soc. v aspca) competed. Everyone had a different shelter and they competed in the political arena and if the other side lost they considered it a win even if thousands of animals died in the process. Our current(then) mayor had a new animal charity she liked, so all the other long existing animal charities were defunded and their animals euthanized. Fun times in the American west. They couldn’t even agree on a common dog tag, so if your animal had the wrong dog tag for the shelter that found him, no one would notify the other shelter that he’d been found.

    Also we had a natural park, donated by an original founding family, called Nature Park, that was part of the original Las Vegas oasis. The mayor that defunded alternative animal charities also turned Nature Park into yet another Los Vegas golf course with $70 greens fees. However this one was city owned so the mayor could waive the greens fees for her contributors and supporters.

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    @Viva BrisVegas: Trump has never had any pets, this explains much.

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Condolences.

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Good grief. Open the packet!

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    debbie says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    We’re too busy over here comparing button sizes.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Yes, I just looked it up.

    Every President other than Andrew Johnson had pets, and even he left out food for the White House mice.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @debbie: I hope you are doing it indoors.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I can’t remember either, but I think it’s Loomis. My condolences about your neighbor.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: The storm has hit Galway and the West coast pretty hard. Go to Lovin Dublin’s Facebook page for nutty videos. Even here in Dublin the wind last night was FIERCE. Like, you could barely walk down the street without getting blown away fierce.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Sab:

    I dont know much about Brisbane.

    Brisbane would be the result if it were possible to turn Mogadon into a city.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: He marries his pets.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: I was thinking the same thing.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 😃!

    @OzarkHillbilly: sorry to hear that. RIP Ron, condolences to his family and friends.

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    Raven says:

    Hey y’all, one more day of hangin in “the Southland”. My buddy is flyin in from Oakland at 7:30 and we’ll just fool around all day. There was a shop in Pasadena where they made a mistake packing our purchase and, when we went back, the guy could not have been nicer. We may blow back up there and see if they have shirts with us as Rose Bowl Champs. My brother is going to meet with us and maybe hit Griffith Park for a bit. Bill, does it cost to get in there? Otherwise we are partly recovered. They charged my credit card for the National Championship so, as soon as the mobile upload hits I have to decide what to do. My brothers recommends selling, the will probably bring $3000 apiece and that would pay for this entire trip twice. What do the jackals think?

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    debbie says:

    @Raven:

    How can you even hesitate? Go!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Sab:

    But no one can tell if you are a dog on the internet.

    IIRC, that cartoon ran 25 years ago yesterday. I find that pretty amazing.

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    satby says:

    @Raven: Glad you had such a great time!

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    @Raven: What does it cost to get into Griffith Park? Nothing. However, the zoo does charge, I’ve not been to the Autry(so don’t know), and it’s $4/hr to park up by the Observatory(you can park for free by the Greek and take the DASH bus up, they run every 20 minutes and I think is $1 each way).

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Raven: After the Rose Bowl, I don’t don’t think you’ll get nearly as much out of it. I say sell, and you get the best of both worlds. But I hardly give a shit about football, so I may not be the best one to weigh in.

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    satby says:

    @Raven: as far as selling the tickets, if you go and they lose will you kick yourself for not selling and practically paying for this trip? If you sell them and they win, will you feel cheated by not going or was the Rose Bowl game enough to have seen live, especially with that wild ending?

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    My youngest brother cares as much about OSU as Raven does UGA. He’s gone to the National Championship games when OSU was in it and had the time of his life.

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    bjacques says:

    I nearly got blown off my bike on my way to work late this morning in Amsterdam. It’s Code Orange (Red means “stay indoors”) but the winds are supposed to die down somewhat later this afternoon. All I know about Brisbane is it’s the main setting for “He Died With A Felafel [sic] In His Hand” and epic about living in share houses in the 1980s and 1990s.

    So when do they give the storm a name?

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: finally started watching Mrs. Maisel! Thanks for recommending, because I wouldn’t have tried it otherwise. I gravitate to moody British mystery series.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Raven says:

    @debbie: I’ve been to one, Hokies vs FSU. This was such an incredible experience and I’m just thinking about what a pain in the ass going to Atlanta for a game that won’t be over until we’ll after midnight and, right now, that is not appealing.

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    @Raven: Where are you thinking of going in the park? I might have some suggestions.

    ETA: I kind of know the place pretty well.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Today is one of OzarkHillbilly’s blech days.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Raven: If it were me, I’d probably sell the tickets and have a national championship game party at home instead. The game will probably be a let-down after that incredible Rose Bowl.

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    Raven says:

    The other option under serious consideration is that we sell one and I go. The princess has had enough so we may do that.

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    @Baud: So a day ending in ‘y’?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

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    Raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I dunno, we have the whole day. My friend is quite the mountaineer but we don’t really have the gas for anything serious.

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    debbie says:

    @Raven:

    I do like Betty’s idea of a party. Create your own excitement.

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    NotMax says:

    @satby

    Happy to hear you’re finding it enjoyable.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Not for me. I just did not have a restful sleep.

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    Raven says:

    @Betty Cracker: That’s a heavily considered option for sure.

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    Raven says:

    We have a super bowl party and so many of are friends are artsy hipster types. Let me put it this way, half of them would leave to watch that fucking Dowton Abbey!!!

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    @Raven: It’ll probably be too hazy to see much, but here’s ABC7’s cam site, so you can get an idea. If it’s not too hazy, parking at the Vermont Canyon tennis courts and taking the road east to the trail that goes to the heliport OR park on the little road spur just south of the Greek(it’s a left where the tennis courts are the right) and you can take the Boy Scout Trail to the Observatory(the ridge on that trail is the best place for sunsets in LA). The Hollywood sign is really hard to get to now, but you can get a good view from the Observatory or take the trail at the north end of the parking lot and go part way to Mt. Hollywood and there’s a really good view(trail goes north though Berlin Forest and then climbs west and where it heads east is a really good viewpoint).

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    Baud says:

    I had never heard of Logan Paul before this. So…mission accomplished.

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    Baud says:

    @Raven:

    many of are friends are artsy hipster types

    !

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    chris says:

    those between Florida and Maine whose personal environments weren’t meant to deal with *this* level of chill!

    Hey, standing right here.

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    Raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: great, thanks!!!

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    NotMax says:

    @satby

    Oh, BTW, might keep an eye out for a period police/intrigue series, Babylon Berlin, due to show up on Netflix January 30.

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    HeleninEire says:

    I can’t stop watching The Crown. I watched the first 3 episodes on Monday and then FOUR last night. I even got the “Hey you friendless loser, are you still watching this?” message from Netflix.

    Love, love, love it.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: I still haven’t.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Don’t read my comment.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Baud: Yeah, me too. Did not need to know.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Then we must have lots of dogs on this blog.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Is TravelTown still owned by that shady church organization, or is it part of Griffith Park now?

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    @opiejeanne: Always thought TravelTown was owned by the city, there is the LA Steamers down east of TravelTown.

    ETA: They have Walt’s barn.

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    @Steeplejack (phone): No, just folk like me that can’t spell.

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    Kay says:

    @Sab:

    I have admired David Pepper for years even though he’s on the opposite corner of the state. Yay Temaya Dennard!

    I like him too, like his direct way of speaking, but other people don’t- they say he’s “pushy”. I don’t think he’s well-liked.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Baud: What an evil person. Is he kin to Rand?

    Also, anyone have theories about Trump’s twitter frenzy yesterday? Maybe he needs to play more golf. If this is what he does at work, I would prefer he take a permanent vacay.

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    @Lapassionara:

    I would prefer he take a permanent vacay.

    I’m all for that, especially if it involves an orange jumpsuit.

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    rikyrah says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Sorry for your loss 😥

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    Baud says:

    @Lapassionara: My uneducated opinion is that the internet has blurred the line between what’s acceptable and tolerable in reality vs entertainment. It would explain much of the Trump phenomenon.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Raven:
    You’re on a roll, Raven😄

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    Jeffro says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    In the war on ketchup, there is now proof that ketchup can be hazardous to one’s health. Scott Lemieux (or is it Loomis with the ketchup fixation?) over at LG&M must be very happy.

    Hate the packet, not the sauce!

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    rikyrah says:

    @HeleninEire:
    Season 1 or Season 2?

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    opiejeanne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I read about the barn when it was moved.

    Yes, we were stunned when TravelTown was suddenly operated by a crooked minister and his crooked church. I think that was in the 80s. You couldn’t just buy a ticket to ride the train like before and they had huge concerts on the site. I think he went to prison and for a while TravelTown’s future was in doubt. It had fallen into disrepair during that period. The church may have just leased the property. The scandal that finally brought down the minister was his congregation buying him a helicopter.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @rikyrah: Season 1

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    Frozen: The Drippening continues here in NoVA. It’s 12° right now, although there’s a chance we may break 30° today. Yay!

    I have honed my faucet-fiddling skills over the last five days. I can get the kitchen and bathroom sink faucets down to a two- or three-second drip without even thinking about it. The bathtub is closer to an actual trickle, because two taps are involved. But the noise is minimal—far overshadowed by the almost continual whooshing of the HVAC system. It will be interesting to look at the electric bill next month and compare it to last year.

    After our warm spell today, it’s going to get even colder. They’re talking lows down around 6° or 8° over the weekend. Then a heat wave next Monday—up to almost 40°! But snow. Yee-haw.

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    @opiejeanne: Hmmm, don’t remember that. I went there a couple of times in the 60’s and I think I went back once in the late 80’s. It did seem to be a bit shabbier when I went in the late 80’s.

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    Kay says:

    We suggested investigators look into the bank records of Deutsche Bank and others that were funding Mr. Trump’s businesses. Congress appears uninterested in that tip: Reportedly, ours are the only bank records the House Intelligence Committee has subpoenaed.
    We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress.

    So congressional Republicans are covering for Trump, which we knew, but what about media? They can’t get bank records but surely they could investigate the business deals connected to money laundering- take Russia out and just consider that they haven’t investigated the President’s business deals.

    Call Trump Inc “Clinton Enterprises” and tell me there wouldn’t be media inquiries into these deals! Of course there would.

    Take “Russia” out of it completely- isn’t “money laundering” by itself enough to investigate? Say “money laundering involving China”. NOW would they investigate?

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    JMG says:

    @Raven: If you sell, you’ll be able to turn the championship game off and go to bad sadly if Alabama gets up big. If you sell and Georgia wins, you can go on Dawg message boards to simulate the happy crowd experience and you will avoid the experience of being in a 2 a.m. traffic jam getting out of the stadium. Selling is recommended by this adviser.

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    Jeffro says:

    Meanwhile, here’s David Von Drehle, going for the Broder Trophy: Clinton Supporter David Brock’s Rotten Political Empire. Because both sides, don’t you know…

    I would be unfair if I said that David Brock represents everything wrong with politics. So let me say that David Brock represents almost everything wrong with politics.

    The career of the silver-haired smear artist has come full circle with a report in the New York Times that Brock directed $200,000 from his political action committee empire into an effort to encourage women to go public with accusations of sexual offenses against President Trump — and that one of Brock’s most devoted donors kicked in even more. (My effort to get a response from Brock for this column was unsuccessful.)

    “Silver-haired smear artist”? And why is it wrong to encourage women to come forward with their reports of Trumpov’s assaults? Why is that the problem and not the assaults themselves?

    Today, Brock stands atop an empire of donor-funded political operations. Media Matters for America seeks to mirror the right-wing Media Research Center in lobbing charges of dishonesty at the press; together the two groups have accelerated our path toward a world in which no one believes anything beyond his own biases. American Bridge performs “opposition research” against Republican candidates, a dainty phrase to describe the hostile scrutiny that has turned politics into a business that few sane humans would dare to enter. His online, um, “news” site Shareblue strives to be, in Brock’s words, a “Breitbart of the left” — as though one Breitbart were not already one too many.

    Yes…Media Matters is just like the Media Research Center, absolutely…(eyeroll)

    And that brings us to Brock’s collateral damage. For all of his ostentatious feminism in support of Hillary Clinton, Brock, more than any other person I can name, is responsible for the climate in which women who bring charges of sexual misconduct have every reason to fear they will be savaged and dismissed. It was he, after all, who scored an early jackpot by describing law professor Anita Hill as “a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty.” His tawdry conduct in Arkansas gave ammunition for widespread attacks on Bill Clinton’s accusers.

    Yes…I know when I think of how women get slimed when they speak up against predators, my first thought is, “dang that David Brock!”

    Now Trump toadies have a brush with which to tar any woman who might testify that the president’s long history of crude boasting is more than mere “locker room talk.”

    Yes…as if Trumpov toadies would have trouble finding some other brush or twelve to tar women who speak out against him. Seriously?

    Brock’s sales pitch to mega-donors such as George Soros and Susie Tompkins Buell has always been, essentially, that the right wing weaponized propaganda and that the only answer is to take a gun to the knife fight. But Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)was on target in 2016 when he said of Brock: “I don’t think you hire scum of the Earth to be on your team just because the other side does it.”

    Riiiiiight…Brock is ‘scum of the earth’…whew…

    Not that it matters a huge deal, or that Drehle is some sort of A-list columnist, but I’m going to drop him a short note telling him to get some perspective. Going after Brock and creating some false equivalence between him and the wholesale fiction writers of Breitbart is lazy and stupid on its face.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: I will, thanks!

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay:

    Take “Russia” out of it completely- isn’t “money laundering” by itself enough to investigate? Say “money laundering involving China”. NOW would they investigate?

    Only if it were “Clinton money laundering involving China” of course.

    I’ve seen some good reporting on these various condo-buying/money-laundering scams…pretty sure it was Newsweek?…the info is already out there. I think the Dems’ idea to air this as “things the GOP Congress won’t investigate” is a good strategy (what else can they do, right?). It’ll only help them in November, I mean, what’s the GOP’s defense? “Hey, a real estate guy’s got to take his deals where he finds them”?

    And of course, the Congressional investigation is, unfortunately, just a flimsy thing anyway. The RWNJs could hear that Trumpov had strangled hookers every night before bedtime and they’d write it off as “Democrat-funded propaganda…besides, you don’t expect the president to just fall asleep with a good book, do you?”. The real deals are the Mueller and Schneiderman investigations. (I know we all know that, just sayin’ )

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    gene108 says:

    @Jeffro:

    Brock repented of his “a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty days”. He wrote a book, Blinded by the Right, about how he became a right-wing hatchet man and what got him to reconsider what a bad decision it was and the damage he caused. He also dedicated the last chapter as an apology to Anita Hill.

    The book also touches on the fact all the Clinton “scandals” was right-wing payback for Watergate and Iran-Contra, because they had to smear a Democratic President as corrupt as well. And how respectable right-wing media, like The Washington Times or American Spectaor, doesn’t care about facts, as long as the story advances the right-wing agenda.

    From what I gather, Brock is trying to atone for the damage he did.

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    Baud says:

    @Jeffro:

    But Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)was on target in 2016 when he said of Brock: “I don’t think you hire scum of the Earth to be on your team just because the other side does it.”

    And yet, Weaver.

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    chris says:

    Oklahoma strong. Must be one tough person driving that truck.

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    gene108 says:

    @Kay:

    There is a different set of rules for Republicans. I don’t know how to change this. Maybe included in calls to Congress, has to be calls to media demanding better reporting? Or maybe force boycotts of advertisers until they hold Republicans accountable?

    But, who has the time…

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    Kay says:

    @Jeffro:

    It’s as if they believe NOT investigating the Russian interference means they are also barred from investigating anything else- ordinary corruption. The NYTimes spent 2 solid years on Whitewater- a single business deal. How did they investigate that? Couldn’t they use the same skills to investigate any of Trump’s hundreds of business deals?

    It’s like the workplace version of overthinking. They don’t have to crack the Russia mystery. They could just do ordinary investigations- the kind any mayor would be subjected to. They don’t need the Pentagon Papers. They have property records and records of transactions and hundreds of people who engaged in these dealings with Trump. That’s what they used with Whitewater.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Baud:

    the internet has blurred the line between what’s acceptable and tolerable in reality vs entertainment.

    Well, it’s done that for the mediocre white man. For blah persons such as 44, an impossibly high – and ever-shifting – standard is relentlessly applied.

    ETA: Forgot to mention persons named Clinton. They also can’t so much as sneeze in public without intense criticism and scrutiny.

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    Kay says:

    @Jeffro:

    I think they have convinced themselves that Trump is extraordinary, a special case, and investigations have to involve national security and spies and mysterious Russian contacts.

    Money laundering is against the law. Is he laundering money? They should ask that about the President. They would ask it about any other President. Instead of NOT normalizing Trump maybe they need to normalize him. Just treat him like any other President. That’s enough.

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    Jeffro says:

    @gene108: You’re absolutely right, and “Blinded By the Right” was a great read. Brock’s “The Republican Noise Machine” is essential reading for anyone (left, right, or center) who wants to understand how the RWNJ puke funnel works, too.

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    JMG says:

    So here in west suburban Boston the forecast is for a foot of snow tomorrow with gale force winds, followed by single digit highs, strong winds and lows down to 10 below or more, followed by a warmup to the low 30s for freezing rain to start next week. This is ridiculous. We always have big storms, but this level of cold is insane. Like living in Alberta.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay:

    They should ask that about the President. They would ask it about any other President. Instead of NOT normalizing Trump maybe they need to normalize him. Just treat him like any other President. That’s enough.

    Yes indeed. Same thing with the outrageous, offensive, and dangerous things he says & tweets…this isn’t a reality TV show, this isn’t a game. Why is any American president allowed to threaten nuclear war just for ego kicks?

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    Kay says:

    @Jeffro:

    And if you were to do that, if you were to exclude Russia and just ask “is this guy a crook?” you’d get to Russia anyway. They don’t need to worry at all about “collusion”. Ordinary lawbreaking by the US President is enough. Russiagate could be solved along the way of what is an ordinary inquiry into who, exactly, is the President?

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    opiejeanne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Yeah, I can’t find any reference to that blip in its history. We visited it in the 60s when I was a kid. I remember reading about the church nonsense in the LA Times but I can’t put an exact date on it. I guess it’s had some restoration done since then.

    I think the minister was from Oregon, decided to move his operations to LA while still bleeding the flock back home.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Those were great. I like #19 too.

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I loved that when it first hit Twitter and shared it then. What good parents for that little girl!

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    satby says:

    @satby: Though #5 is a wonderful sign too, and another one I shared on FB.

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    gene108 says:

    @Kay:

    Whitewater was a small scale, one time, land deal. Like Hillary’s e-mail server it was something fixed at a point in time. It wasn’t constantly shifting, which made it easy to investigate.

    With Trump properties, you have properties that are actively being managed by Trump. Their records are not fixed. There are moving parts. This makes the reporting harder, as well as the finances are on a much larger scale than Whitewater, which involves math, and reporters hate math. Therefore they look for the easier stories to cover like hot takes on Trump tweets.

    What I can’t understand is why no one dug deeep into all the contractors he shafted. Those court cases are fixed. They aren’t going to change. Those records are in NYC and NJ, where reporters live. He destroyed businesses and lives of white working class business owners. Maybe this could have provided some contrast, with his hollow rhetoric? But even that was too much work for our media.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @chris: No, he just enjoys giving the finger to his neighbors. Mine conveys similar sentiments and nobody has ever said a word of disagreement to me. (I have gotten some quiet compliments)

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    geg6 says:

    @Kay:

    It’s crazy. Richard Engle did a one hour special on MSNBC about Trump and his Russian investors/business partners, focusing a lot on Panama but also covering other places, but it seems not have made even a blip on the media radar. I found it fascinating.

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    Kay says:

    @gene108:

    Whitewater was a small scale, one time, land deal. Like Hillary’s e-mail server it was something fixed at a point in time. It wasn’t constantly shifting, which made it easy to investigate.

    I agree with the rest of your comment but not this part. The investigation into the private jet usage was just a small piece and it was big news and caused a resignation. In that instance the Trump Administration was treated like any other- ordinary questions about expenditures led to a resignation. Real oversight and there was no cloak and dagger or relying on Wikileaks.

    The problem isn’t that they “normalize” Trump. The problem is they don’t. We’d have much better oversight if they WOULD normalize him.

    That announcement he made where his private business deals are “off limits”? That’s bullshit. Never in history has a President’s private business deals been off limits. Whitewater wasn’t off limits. Why would his be?

    If there are hundreds of them then start at the beginning- start with ONE. I don’t care- start in Florida. Pick 5 randomly in Florida.

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    MomSense says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    That’s a perfect sign. I liked First they came for the Muslims and we said not this time motherfuckers. There is a fiber artist I follow who did the needlepoint sign that said I’m so angry I stitched this sign just so I could stab something 3,000 times.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @gene108: Clinton! (as in “Squirrel!”)

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    Kay says:

    @geg6:

    I hate to be so cynical but it is because of the corporate gifts he’s bestowing? Media corporations are first and foremost private sector businesses, and the tax deal alone is a huge gift. They also have labor problems. It doesn’t get any coverage but more and more media outlets are unionizing, even online outfits. The Los Angeles Times is getting ready for vote on a union for the first time.

    Maybe it’s about the money. I don’t worry about Trump launching a nuclear strike because I know a nuclear strike isn’t good for wealthy people. Whatever isn’t good for wealthy people will not happen. “Norms” will be enforced exactly to the extent that violating norms puts monied interests at risk.

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    chris says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Good for you! It seems a little risky to me, being rude to people who are known to be heavily armed and unstable. Guess you get used to it.

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    frosty says:

    @Raven: I say be happy you saw the parade and an amazin’ game and sell the tickets to recoup the cost. If it was me I’d be done with football after that one.

    OTOH if I saw the Orioles get into the Series I’d damn sure want to see it. So to summarize, I dunno.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @chris: In their eyes, I appear to be the heavily armed and unstable guy.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @geg6: In the course of that, Engel was (AFAIK) the only Western reporter to interview Serhiy Leshchenko on-air. Leshchenko is the Ukrainian MP who released the Manafort cash-payment “secret” ledger. Yet he seems to be invisible as far as everyone else is concerned, which is really odd – he’s young, speaks good English, knows a lot about Manafort and Yanukovych, and is very widely known in Ukraine. He’s on Twitter regularly, he’s a damn MP, he’s not hard to find.

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    chris says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Haha! The madman defence.

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    Sab says:

    @Kay: Yeah. I know. He’s hugely qualified, he gets all kinds of endorsements, and he can’t get himself to be elected to anything higher than Cinci city council.

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    sacrablue says:

    @satby: Me, as well. Hinterlands, The Fall, Happy Valley, etc.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @opiejeanne: I think my fight with this crud has addled my brains. It was the Melodyland Theater that was sold to an Evangelical church group and became embroiled in several scandals. I must have forgotten that it was located in Anaheim. There was a helicopter purchase involved in the final scandal, a Ponzi scheme pretending to raise money for the church and the Final Harvest (just typing that makes my skin crawl). They were associated with The Assembly of God but also slithered around in the Charismatic Movement.
    The theater was on Harbor, across from Disneyland. It was torn down in 2003, about when we moved to Anaheim, and the Garden Walk complex is built on the site.

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