‘Tis The Season

For another war, because why not? The ones the last Republican President started are going so well.

Earlier this week, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that he was ready to start talks with North Korea without precondition. “We’ll talk about the weather if you like,” he said. He omitted the part about their having to give up their nuclear weapons and missiles first. But then his own spokesperson undercut him.

North Korea is making some signs that they would be open to discussions of – something – but definitely not giving up their nukes. So Tillerson’s offer was well-timed. But others in the administration, likely including National Security Advisor H. R. McMaster, have something else in mind. The problem is that nobody knows what it is.

A number of Washington-based nuclear experts on my Twitter timeline say that the administration seems determined to strike North Korea preventively. That’s likely a war crime, but let that go for now. Dan Drezner is worried, and Joshua Pollack lays it out in a tweet thread. Selected tweets from that thread:

Lindsay Graham is beating the war drums. “Time is running out.” On whose timetable? In the 1950s, his arguments were made on hitting the Soviet Union to prevent them from getting a nuclear arsenal. In the 1960s, it was China. While it would be pleasant for us if they didn’t have nuclear weapons, we’ve all managed to live together for the past 60 years or so. We’ll manage with North Korea too.

It’s possible that the war talk is designed to convince China to magically fix things with North Korea. But they can’t. The US administration doesn’t seem to understand that.

If North Korea is attacked, it will devastate Seoul with conventional artillery. That’s been true for many decades, so Graham and McMaster should know that. Japan would probably take some hits too. My guess is that North Korea still doesn’t have a lot of nuclear-armed missiles deployed, but how about just a couple on Seoul, three on major cities in Japan, and one or two on the US West Coast? That could be pretty ugly, and dropping a bunch of nukes on North Korea wouldn’t bring back those millions of people. The scenario is worked out in more detail here and here.

Meanwhile, Nikki Haley is doing a Colin Powell to convince us that war with Iran is a good idea.

As badly as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have gone, war with North Korea or Iran would be worse. While you’re calling Congress to stop the tax plan, you might want to say that you wish Congress would hold hearings on administration plans for war against North Korea.

 

 

108 replies
  1. 1
    jhtrotter says:

    Could it all wait until after the Olympics?

  2. 2
    Hungry Joe says:

    “Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops! Uh, depending on the breaks.”

  3. 3
    John Revolta says:

    I hear Chinese tourism to S. Korea has basically stopped.

  4. 4
    RandomMonster says:

    Trump will hold off on war until the first damning evidence of collusion goes public. At that point a few million dead will serve as a nice distraction.

  5. 5
    TriassicSands says:

    @Hungry Joe:

    Best black comedy ever. If only we had level heads like Generals Buck and Jack D. playing for our side now.

  6. 6
    Florida Frog says:

    Wait Mr. Frog is headed to Seoul in January on an engineering project. He is really looking forward to it. Is this a bad idea?

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    bystander says:

    Meanwhile, Nikki Haley is doing a Colin Powell to convince us that war with Iran is a good idea.

    She was sickmaking today. So loathsome.

  8. 8
    Mike in DC says:

    My mom lives in Northern California. If she dies as a result of a “preventive” attack, I’m not going to be satisfied with mere resignation, removal or even imprisonment.

  9. 9
    Cermet says:

    AS long as the sub-human species known as thugish-greedist exist and flourishes within congress so elected by the stupid and religious (but that is redundant) loons, we are screwed.

  10. 10

    I’m sure Hillary would have been worse. She was the real hawk.

  11. 11
    NotMax says:

    There’s a vast chasm between irrational and suicidal.

    North Korea demonstrates instances of the former but not the latter, IMHO.

  12. 12

    The good news is the nuclear winter would counteract some of the effects of global warming.

  13. 13
    TenguPhule says:

    That’s likely a war crime, but let that go for now

    Let’s not. That was what we did wrong last time.

  14. 14
    Chris says:

    Meanwhile, Nikki Haley is doing a Colin Powell to convince us that war with Iran is a good idea.

    Yep. This worries me more than North Korea. At least with North Korean nukes, I’d still say the odds are on the side of us not going to war. Iran doesn’t have nukes, it’s the only enemy left standing in the Middle East, and it’s been relentlessly demonized by three or four decades of nationalist crap.

    ETA: Trump’s own government has already said several times that they can’t find the Iranians in non-compliance because they’re not, so I suppose it was inevitable that we’d eventually get a Colin Powell type farce. War with Iran might not be inevitable, but the odds of our torpedoing the 2015 deal are still very, very good. It doesn’t really cost anything in terms of domestic politics, and gives Trump a big boost with his base. It totally fucks up international relations, but these people haven’t cared about that since 2002 at the very latest.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Florida Frog:

    A good friend of mine is a fairly senior official posted to the Canadian Embassy in Seoul. I keep reading her Facebook posts to see if there’s anything between the lines, but of course she is far too skilled a diplomat to write anything careless. Still, I worry about her and her young family.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike in DC:

    My mom lives in Northern California. If she dies as a result of a “preventive” attack, I’m not going to be satisfied with mere resignation, removal or even imprisonment.

    Presuming I manage to survive that result too, I’ll join you.

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    TriassicSands says:

    The North Koreans would be crazy to give up their nukes while Trump is in office. The more belligerent Trump is, the tighter they will cling to them. Of course, they won’t get rid of them in any foreseeable future, but the more aggressive the US is toward them, the more incentive they will have to keep adding to the arsenal.

    Trump (the ultimate deal maker) to N. Korea: “You give up your nukes and I promise to build a huge Trump Tower II in Pyongyang and the best golf course either North or South Korea has ever seen.”

    How could they refuse?

  18. 18
    Hungry Joe says:

    “I’ll tell you what he did, he ordered his planes…to attack your country. Well, let me finish, Dmitri. Let me finish, Dmitri. Well, listen, how do you think I feel about it? Can you imagine how I feel about it, Dmitri? Why do you think I’m calling you? Just to say hello?”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Chris: Iran is also in a much better position to hurt us across the board, at every level.

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    @TenguPhule: I think she meant that it’s the least of our concerns with regard to this particular action.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NotMax:

    There’s a vast chasm between irrational and suicidal.

    North Korea demonstrates instances of the former but not the latter, IMHO.

    The same unfortunately can’t be said of the Republican party.

  22. 22

    @Florida Frog: I’m inclined to say that, although we should contact our legislators to express our concern, we might as well act as though everything will be normal. Enjoy things until we can’t.

  23. 23
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    “Trump is so dangerous, that is what we’re fed, but seriously I am not worried about a wall being built, he is not going to get rid of every Muslim in this country… but seriously, I don’t know what his policy is. I do know what Hillary’s policies are.”

    “I don’t know if she is overcompensating or what her trip is. I think we’ll be in Iran in two seconds… it frightens me.”

    ~ Susan Sarandon Axis Sally

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Not if it can give our allies an excuse to intervene. I welcome our new Canadian overlords.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @bystander:

    Yeah, I caught a little audio of her comments on MSNBC while I was driving to the library. Nikki Haley horrifies me — the more so, as she comes across as attractive and superficially rational.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Florida Frog:

    Is this a bad idea?

    It is now.

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    Doug R says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I’m sure Hillary would have been worse. She was the real hawk.

    She did too much in Syria, and not enough in Libya, or was it the other way ’round?

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    Chris says:

    In the 1950s, his arguments were made on hitting the Soviet Union to prevent them from getting a nuclear arsenal.

    Note that several West European governments were very worried that we’d do exactly that: that the urge to nuke the USSR before they had the capacity to reliably hit the American homeland would win out, and that Western Europe would pay the price when the Soviets retaliated. Thankfully, the Americans of that age weren’t deranged psychopaths. Our current political class, on the other hand? I’d give pretty good odds that they’d have done exactly that.

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    sukabi says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I know that’s high sarcasm, still irritates the füçk outta me…and continues to feed the utterly false, unfounded Hillary hate.

    Anyway, carry on.😕

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    Chris says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Oh, sure. But you wanna tell Trump that?

    Besides, they’d probably figure that Iranian retaliation could simply be used to further feed anti-Iranian hysteria and justify the war.

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    Anotherlurker says:

    @Mike in DC: I have friends and family all over the State of California. If any of them are harmed because because of trump’s war fever, I will take it very personally. I will take it out on my g.o.perve congress critter.

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    @sukabi: I basically just don’t talk to people who believe things like that any more.

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    Can’t Kim Jong-Un and Him Rong-Orange settle this with a good ol’ mudfight? The pay-per-view take could be billions.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I’m pretty sure that even my dogs understand that things are uncertain – they are asking for dinner now, even though it’s an hour before their usual time. You know it’s bad when even the dogs know.

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    Doug R says:

    May I point out that the closest larger American city to North Korea is actually Seattle and that Vancouver, BC is even closer. They may aim for Northern California, but you know where’d they’d probably hit.

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    JPL says:

    It’s just another day in Trump world..
    Net Neutrality gone
    Billionaires and millionaires tax cuts almost assured
    It’s been 75 days since CHIP was renewed and
    the war drums are beating.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Chris:

    Besides, they’d probably figure that Iranian retaliation could simply be used to further feed anti-Iranian hysteria and justify the war.

    They’re trying to stick their dick into a steel hedgehog.

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    TriassicSands says:

    @JPL:

    I’m exhausted from all the “winning.”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Doug R:

    May I point out that the closest larger American city to North Korea is actually Seattle and that Vancouver, BC is even closer.

    Excuse me, are we just an island in the middle of the Pacific again?

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    Chris says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Hey, half our population would happily and merrily hop on board, at least initially. “They’re hitting us BACK! Those BASTARDS! I always KNEW they were up to no good!”

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    Lee Hartmann says:

    Miss Lindsay wants another war, I see. I guess he liked the way the last one turned out. Wasn’t he one of the three amigos who went with Saint McCain and Droopy Dog to the market in Baghdad which was gloriously safe and normal (after it had been cleaned out by the troops)?

    Christ, what an asshole.

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    @TenguPhule: Seattle has more than twice the population of Honolulu…

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    NotMax says:

    @TenguPhule

    If the slippah fits….

    (I keed, I keed.)

  44. 44
    B.B.A. says:

    Trump is such a sick fuck, he probably sees millions of dead Californians as a plus to nuclear war. He won the popular vote excluding California, after all.

  45. 45
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Just heard that the top rat is jumping ship. Ryan is pushing an unpopular tax cut which he knows may cost him his seat so he’s bailing. How nice.

  46. 46
    JPL says:

    @TriassicSands: Tis why I curled up in a fetal position on the sofa. At least we can say
    Merry Christmas again. Trump is right, because I never said Merry Christmas again.
    I thought it sounded rude, like the person didn’t hear me the first time.

  47. 47
    Florida Frog says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Thanks. Rubio, Nelson and Rutherford hear from me every week about CHIP, Dreamers, Health Care, the Tax Nonsense, Russia and guns. I might as well add something else to the list.

  48. 48
    Mike in NC says:

    America’s #1 sexual predator should have made a campaign promise to disarm North Korea on his very first day in office, exactly like he repealed and replaced that horrible Affordable Care Act. Oh wait…

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    sukabi says:

    @Lee Hartmann: someone ought to remind him that the last 2 haven’t actually ended yet.

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    Humdog says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I think it is the other way around for Ryan. He wants out now so must push this final year to do his sick dream of curing us from having any social insurance whatsoever. Sick fucker, is Ayn Ryan.

  51. 51
    JPL says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Since he is not running for reelection, he can rid us of Medicare, Social Security and even Meals on Wheels.

    or what humdog said

  52. 52
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Chris: Being close in time to the consequences of a major world war clears the eye and mind quite effectively. NOBODY wanted another war

  53. 53
    StringOnAStick says:

    Going to war with Iran tells every other country that you must have your own nukes to avoid invasion by a crazy US regime. Nice job Donnie Dumshit; all those years of careful diplomacy and who knows how many IC assets trashed for a creepy and corrupt old man’s ego.

  54. 54
    TenguPhule says:

    @Chris: I suspect it would be more panicked then that.

    If I were Iran and had 30 years to prepare for this shit, the least I would do would be ready to gut any naval forces in the Persian Gulf, pound the shit out of every middle east US military base, have covert agents ready to decapitate the highest ranks of the civilian and military leadership and blow up as much of their domestic infrastructure as possible.

  55. 55
    Mike in DC says:

    1 nuke hitting Silicon Valley, and the other hitting the Seattle/Redmond area, and you can kiss the economy goodbye.

  56. 56
    Mike J says:

    Most people don’t seem to buy Haley’s bullshit:
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.....diplomacy/

  57. 57
    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major: But we have better coffee.

  58. 58

    @Mike in NC:

    America’s #1 sexual predator

    Worst reality show ever.

  59. 59
    Chris says:

    @Mike J:

    Wait… so the big deal is that the Iranians are arming a friendly government/insurgency/call-it-what-you-will? One that isn’t even threatening the United States or the West? That’s the big deal?

    … what the actual fuck? Even if it’s true, arming friendly insurgents and governments in their civil war and/or wars with their neighbors is bog-standard practice in international relations. It’s called proxy war. It’s what you do when you don’t want to fight somebody directly. We certainly haven’t been shy of doing that, and neither have our allies – ask the Syrians. Or, for that matter, the Yemenis and the Iranians. This doesn’t even rise to the level of what we accused Saddam Hussein of.

  60. 60
    TenguPhule says:

    @Chris:

    Wait… so the big deal is that the Iranians are arming a friendly government/insurgency/call-it-what-you-will? One that isn’t even threatening the United States or the West? That’s the big deal?

    Yep. Its not fair for them to play by the same rules we do.

    Because Freedumb.

  61. 61
    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Worst reality show ever.

    Early Cancellation is demanded.

  62. 62
    Gelfling 545 says:

    At the moment the country I most worry about having nuclear weapons is the US.

  63. 63

    @Gelfling 545: why, it’s not like we’re run by insane megalomaniacs or theocrats.

  64. 64
    Miss Bianca says:

    @Mike in DC: You can kiss more than the economy good-bye.

  65. 65
    B.B.A. says:

    On another forum I frequent, some glibertarians tend to say, “so, libtards, still a big fan of expansive executive power? the imperial executive and the pen-and-phone president was great under Obama, riiiiiight?”

    And here I’m thinking, the most dangerous and frightening power, that of Commander-in-Chief, has been part of the presidency since day one.

  66. 66
    John Revolta says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Is he not running for re-election? I understood he was just giving up the Speakership. Maybe.

  67. 67
    Chris says:

    @B.B.A.:

    That’s always been the thing that makes libertarians so utterly ridiculous. They’re terrified of the government becoming a dictatorship, so they don’t want it to have any power AT ALL!!! … except for the power of the military, the police, and the courts. In other words, exactly the powers you’d need in order to establish a dictatorship.

    They apparently live in a universe where dictatorships hadn’t occurred to anyone until welfare states came along.

  68. 68
    ruemara says:

    @Gelfling 545: We are the most prone to using them.

  69. 69
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: I love the snarky responses to her tweet thanking Black people for the vote in Alabama. She really needs to take several seats when it comes to politics.

  70. 70
    zzyzx says:

    @Mike in DC: I lived near DC during the cold war and now I live in Seattle. I can just rerun my nightmares.

  71. 71
    B.B.A. says:

    @Chris: Some of the ones I wrangle with are anarcho-capitalists, and think we should have competing private protection rackets agencies we could individually hire and fire at will. They have not done an adequate job in explaining why anyone would want that.

  72. 72
    chris says:

    Shitgibbon just wants to nuke somebody, anybody will do. What use is power if you can’t use it, right?

  73. 73
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @John Revolta: You’re correct. I thought I heard Randi Rhodes say that he was quitting altogether.

  74. 74
    Chris says:

    @B.B.A.:

    Have they done an adequate job of explaining how that’s in any way different from what Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Congo, and other such paragons of success call “warlords?”

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    I don’t see how this works out for Trump, not like we can’t live with the North Koreans and his approval in the trash with even his base. Then again it is Trump and it’s the stupidest, laziest course of action, thinking like some reality TV show twat, so of course.I don’t see how this works out for Trump, not like we can’t live with the North Koreans and his approval in the trash with even his base. Then again it is Trump and it’s the stupidest, laziest course of action, thinking like some reality TV show twat, so of course.

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    JPL says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Unfortunately he is only concerned about what his generals say. Sad.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Chris: They’ve got some long tomes explaining the difference. Since I don’t feel like spending any time reading them, I can only assume the gist of it is “but we’re white, so it’ll work when we do it!”

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    chris says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Probably because they can find Iran on a map and it’s very big. They also have better sources than Wikipedia to gauge Iranian military strength which is, again, pretty big. Finally, they’re not fans of the nuclear option. Cuz they’re not stupid, unlike the CinC.

  80. 80
    John Revolta says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Yeah well it’s even better this way. Think of how sad those big blue eyes are gonna look once the Iron Mustache gets through with him.
    And if he isn’t the Speaker anymore then he’s just another psychopath up in Congress.

  81. 81
    Jeffro says:

    I noted that first article (the WaPo one) A few days ago and it is still just as horrifying. I have sent it far and wide, I have it on my Facebook page, and I have added it to the list of things I sent to my senators and congressmen and/talk to them (ok, their staffers) about.

    It is a very real possibility.

    It will only be unthinkable until it happens.

  82. 82
    Van Buren says:

    Republicans by and large feel that Seattle and San Francisco being obliterated is a point in favor of war with NK.

  83. 83
    Miss Bianca says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Yeah, someone needs to be hit upside the head with a clue-by-four, that’s for damn certain…

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    cmorenc says:

    If someone like Trump had been President in 1962, what are the chances the Cuban Missile Crisis would have resulted in a devastating nuclear exchange, with most of y’all not here (because most of your parents would not have survived the blast or lethal fallout)?

  85. 85
    A Ghost to Most says:

    @zzyzx:
    I lived in the crosshairs of multiple nukes at SAC HQ. It’s just one more thing that could kill you.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jeffro:

    Indeed, if the Trump team is leaning toward a preventive attack, a debate is the last thing officials want, for tactical reasons. It is impossible to have a public debate about a surprise military strike.

    Chilling.

  87. 87
    John Revolta says:

    @B.B.A.: Because this worked out so great back when we had competing fire departments in the big cities.
    Maybe the various mercenaries could fight it out to see who gets to kill the Bad Guys?

  88. 88
    Van Buren says:

    Republicans by and large feel that Seattle and San Francisco being obliterated is a point in favor of war with NK. @Major Major Major Major: Actually, I’m pretty sure it would get monster ratings…

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    Peale says:

    @TenguPhule: then we should debate this as much as possible

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    Mike J says:

    @Chris:

    Wait… so the big deal is that the Iranians are arming a friendly government/insurgency/call-it-what-you-will? One that isn’t even threatening the United States or the West? That’s the big deal?

    Export of missile tech/proliferation is the actual excuse.

  91. 91
    efgoldman says:

    @Chris:

    It doesn’t really cost anything in terms of domestic politics

    I dunno. Memories of hundreds and thousands of US troops in the desert, coming home in body bags, for basically no reason at all, are pretty fresh.
    Bush43 has the goodwill of the country after 911 (although they made up the connection out of whole cloth); wasn’t probitive. Haley’s is the only rationalization/”reason” and it has no general approval. with a widely disliked president who’s numbers continue to crater

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    @SiubhanDuinne: Madame regularly talks to her family and friends in Seoul, they don’t seem at all concerned about their neighbors to the north.

    Cheryl@Top: I don’t think that the DPRK would waste it’s nukes on Seoul, they’ve got plenty of conventional weapons that would do the job. Now Japan, that’s a different story.

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    Jay says:

    Words of war, threats of war, yelling about war, makes Hair Furour and his Base feel strong and powerful. Crowing loudly is a default position for ChickenHawks and the 101st “Fighting Keyboard Commando’s”.

    Col. Pat Lang at Sic Semper Tyrannis ran the numbers a few months ago. Given current global commitment’s and all the failing GWOT Wars of Choice,

    The US Army and Marines can currently muster a light Air Mobile Battalion for deployment to the Persian Gulf or Korea, and the Pentagon is well aware of that.

  94. 94
    Kathleen says:

    @Doug R: It was Benghazi! It’s so easy to lose the plot line.

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    El Caganer says:

    @B.B.A.: I think this is where they got the idea, but (a) it’s science fiction and (b) yes, it’s a really lousy idea: https://www.amazon.com/Syndic-C-M-Kornbluth/dp/0899683479/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1513299485&sr=8-2&keywords=the+syndic

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    Kathleen says:

    Am way behind in my thread reading, but has anyone seen this story about internet traffic being routed through Russia?

    http://appleinsider.com/articl.....ugh-russia

  97. 97
    Duane says:

    @TenguPhule: That’s a bright, cheerful sentence she’s got there.
    Of all the bad things Trump could do that would be catastrophic. Unthinkable, but they do.

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    frosty says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Excuse me, are we just an island in the middle of the Pacific again?

    You’re kind of small and hard to hit. A big metro area now, you hardly even have to be close. I mean, aim for LA and hit Santa Barbara or San Diego, it’s still a win. Miss Hawaii by that much and you’ve nuked the ocean.

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    frosty says:

    @B.B.A.: The power to declare war was Congress’s from Day One. They abdicated it sometime in the 50s and 60s. Being Commander-in-Chief, while a big deal, was not as much of a deal until ICBMs, when you had 30 minutes at most to decide to fight a war. Even with nuclear-armed bombers there was more time. Somehow we’ve got to claw that power back from a single person.

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    Sab says:

    @frosty: TenguPhule: I am sure you find that comforting. Tiny islands in a big sea.

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    Ruckus says:

    The US administration doesn’t seem to understand that.

    It would be dramatically easier to list the things this administration does understand and work from there.
    1. Not a fucking thing.
    2. Finished
    GWB was a genius compared to these morons. And GWB is no genius. The concept that they want to start a war is unfortunate in that they have no real idea why one would do that, and far more importantly why one wouldn’t. War makes them money, and as I responded to someone on FB the other day, they don’t give two shits that lots of someones will die, even lots of Americans. There are no arguments that will work because they are RWMJs and logic, reason, facts, reality all just get in the way of them being great and creating the bestest country of bigots.

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    J R in WV says:

    I think we should all make sure our congressmen (and congresswomen) understand that their constituents will make hold them personally responsible for any war crimes they allow to be committed during their time in office.

    The Constitution makes Congress responsible for War, and if War Crimes are committed, the CinC will not be the solitary responsible person we turn over to International Courts. And if international courts are not available, well, every town has lamp posts, which worked perfectly well for Il Duce Mussolini back in the waning days of the last World War.

    I am speaking, of course, of members of Congress of the same political party as the CinC, who will share responsibility with P. Trump.

    ETA fix grammar.

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    JustRuss says:

    @Kathleen: Yep, saw that. Probably the biggest threat actually facing our country right now, but …Russia, so Trump won’t do a damn thing.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Mass death and war made Dubya popular.

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    Mike in Pasadena says:

    The air force never sleeps. . . I’ll be back before you can say “blast off.”

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Chris: Bangalore! Pungent & perceptive!

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Mike in Pasadena:

    Off we go into the wild blue yonder –
    Lost again! Sonofabitch!

    :D (Seamus Kennedy)

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