First Snow!

Been busy all day and just now getting around to checking the news and stuff. I see Moore still has not conceded, which does not surprise me at all.

Like fifteen minutes after that he went on and refused to concede, something something military ballots and jeebus.

At any rate, FIRST SNOW HERE!

Roads were really bad, even though it was such a small amount of snow. They were wet and everything froze before the little bit of snow came. The Honda is not as good in the snow as the Subaru, so I think I might actually put a good snow tire on them for three-four months and really adjust my driving so that I am avoiding driving in inclement weather as much as possible.

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  1. 1
    MomSense says:

    House looks lovely. Our snow turned to ice which is the worst.

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    Roger Moore says:

    I envy you your snow. It’s still dry as a bone here in Southern California. We’re lucky if the humidity is in the double digits, which is making the fires hard to put out.

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    We have snow here at 7pm and 8pm at the fancy pants mall here in town.

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    Yarrow says:


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    @Roger Moore: You can have my snow. We had snow on the weekend and also yesterday.

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    Corner Stone says:

    How the hell did it snow in the Greater Houston Metro Area before Bumfuck, WV?

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    TenguPhule says:

    Moore will only surrender over his dead body.

    I find his terms acceptable.

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’ve lived out here for fifteen years. Let me have this one last time before I move to New York.

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    NotMax says:

    Footprints look as if made by some serious Red Wing type work boots.

    Had the fireplace checked over and made functional?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    What’s snow?

    A myth only found on the tops of mountains.

    Or so I am given to understand.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Corner Stone: Chinese hoax.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: You’re moving to New York?

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    Raoul says:

    Tires make a huge difference, John. Your Honda may be fine with new shoes.
    My 98 Forrester was sort of bad in winter. Then I replaced the Brigestone originals (allegedly all season) for Michelin all seasons, and voila, it dove in MN snow like a champ. No need for a separate winter set in my case.

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    Mary G says:

    Brr, but I agree with Roger Moore, wish we could get some of that rain we had last year.

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    NotMax says:

    @Major Major Major Major

    Maybe your vampire(s) can invent the sanguinary sno-cone.


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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    What’s snow, Pussycat? Woah-oh-oh-oh-oh….

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    Mike in NC says:

    Spoke to my brother and his wife in Boston last night, and he mentioned they just got about 6 inches of snow. In other words, a dusting.

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    joel hanes says:

    Driving in snow and ice is simplicity itself
    Just remember
    You can’t accelerate (except very gently)
    You can’t brake (except very gently)
    You can’t turn (except very gently)
    And neither can anyone else
    Increase your estimated travel time 100%
    Cut your speed by at least 30%
    Increase your following distance by 3x

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    @NotMax: I dunno, I heard vampires aren’t cool so I’m scrapping the whole project.

    @Yarrow: Yep, in seven to eleven months.

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    MomSense says:


    I switched to Nokians and they are the best. Made in Finland.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    What’s snow?


    The actual straight line is

    “What’s snew?”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    For the “Star Wars” fans, apparently John Boyega nearly missed the premiere of “The Last Jedi” because his flight got stranded in Atlanta. He finally arrived at 2 am on the day of the premiere with no luggage (but I’m sure the studio will hustle him out to get a suit for the party).

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Yarrow: Ah, so.

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    satby says:

    It was snowing hard enough here to interfere with Direct TV, so I turned it off. Wye got about 5-6 inches over the weekend and are going to get maybe 3-4 more over the next 24 hours. Any other time I could just avoid driving for a couple of days, but not during Christmas, when I make daily pilgrimages to the post office. Fortunately, it’s just over a mile away.

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    germy says:

    Also when you’re fired by Trump do you just show up at Mueller’s office or do you have to wait for him to call you first? 🧐— Rod (@rodimusprime) December 13, 2017

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    satby says:

    @satby: it sucks when fixing my typos makes worse typos.

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    Roger Moore says:


    Also when you’re fired by Trump do you just show up at Mueller’s office or do you have to wait for him to call you first?

    He calls you the day before you’re fired.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @joel hanes: This Saturday I did everything except decrease the speed by 30% — probably more like 20%.

    Result: a 360-degree spin from the far right lane all the way across I-95 to a rest on the (thankfully) full-width shoulder next to the median. I wasn’t braking or turning — the car simply decided on its own that sideways would be a fun idea for a bit.

    We were extremely lucky there was no traffic next to us or immediately behind us.

    The ironies here being (a) I had just put the snow tires on the day before and (b) we had thought the straight path of I-95 was more likely to be plowed and safer going than the twisty local roads. A bad guess that I will never repeat.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @germy: If I am a WH staffer I tell Mueller I will tell him the truth about anything he asks as long as I am not a target/subject. Because I can’t afford a damn attorney and just want to go home for Xmas.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @satby: Sled dogs a possibility?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    So apparently the FYWP workaround no longer works around.


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    Ian G. says:

    That snow is going to hit Long Island between 3 and 10 am, ie the worst possible timing for Thursday’s morning commute. I told my wife to be careful driving tomorrow morning.

    I liked this past Saturday’s snow better. Nowhere to be, could just enjoy it.

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    Aleta says:

    What beautiful lines on that house. I like the festooning of greens and the light snow around them.

    We had a nice thick airy snowfall yesterday. As usual the adolescents moved the picnic tables in the park up the the hill and shoveled in a course with ski jumps launched from the tables.

    It all iced up overnight. In the early morning the roads were so iced you couldn’t brake for anything.

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    joel hanes says:


    It’s nature’s way of gently hinting that you were still driving too fast for conditions.

    I’ve spent hours on I-80 in Iowa in Jan doing 5 to 10 mph because glare ice.

    ETA: I’m very very glad you’re OK . Makes for a heartstopping fifteen seconds, doesn’t it ?

    We used to wait until the ice on the lake was 3 feet thick, then drive out onto a square mile of unobstructed skating rink and practice our ice driving.

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    debbie says:

    @joel hanes:

    Increase your following distance by 3x

    The problem with that is that drivers think that’s an invitation to cut in in front of you. Very aggravating.

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    satby says:

    I need to get a warming bed to put in my shed for the feral cats. I have the door propped open just enough for a cat to get through, and I put a box with a pillow in it, but they need something that will keep them warm. I felt so bad today, one of them was sitting on the porch across the street waiting for his “owner” to come home, so I warmed up some food to try to lure him into the bed I made in a tote in a sheltered part of my porch. The poor guy ran over and sat waiting for me to let him in to my house, while my cat-unfriendly barked his head off. He stalked off, disappointed and cold. Later I saw a different feral eating the probably frozen food.
    I hate that people just let their cats roam in freezing weather.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Also, for the ladies who like cute guys (and gentlemen who like the same), the video that lamh36 posted the other day of a young man frolicking shirtless in the snow has officially gone viral.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I hate that!

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    satby says:

    @Corner Stone: one time in Chicago, in 1979, I skied home. I happened to have my x-country skis in the car when the blizzard hit.

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    andy says:

    Yep, snow tires make a heck of a difference. If you have a garage you might as well get 4 (steel) junkyard wheels and put the snow tires on those- then you can swap them out pretty quickly.

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    debbie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I dunno, I heard vampires aren’t cool so I’m scrapping the whole project.

    Seriously? Based on that one comment the other day? They may have competition from zombies, but vampires are still popular.

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    Kelly says:

    I’ve been skiing the Oregon Cascade passes since the early 1970’s. Snow tires matter more than 4WD. Snow tires help you stop. 4WD/All WD is great if you are in enough snow the chassis is dragging. Otherwise front drive with snow tires is just as good. Buy a set of plain steel rims so it’s easier to swap from snow tires to regular. I get 4 seasons out of my snow tires by swapping them in around now and out in March.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    @Mnemosyne: 94% on Rotten Tomatoes.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I dunno, I heard vampires aren’t cool so I’m scrapping the whole project.

    Not really, right?

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    NotMax says:


    Sounds like a patch of black ice, which is treacherous and nearly impossible to see.

    Hit a patch of that once on the exit ramp coming off an interstate. 360 degree spin, no control, no other vehicles anywhere near.

    Shrugged it off but my passenger was shaken. To calm her down, said, “That made me realize just how boring I am. Someone else’s life flashed before my eyes.” Her laughter dissipated the distress.

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    Aleta says:

    @MomSense: Where do you get Nokians? Not at Sears right? Haven’t heard of them before.

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    @debbie: I’m… I’m joking.

    @WaterGirl: Would I really cancel a 7-month-old webcomic because of a comment by TenguPhule?

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    Shakey Jake says:

    He needs to give conservatives some time to concoct an election theft story.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: I have no idea who that is, but that’s a funny tweet.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:

    It’s getting great reviews. We’re seeing it on Friday night.

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    JPL says:

    John, Your house looks so lovely, like a welcoming country inn.

    @joel hanes: Atlanta drivers do the opposite.

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    Chip Daniels says:

    Moore’s people still haven’t conceded the Civil War, so I won’t expect anything soon.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    Of course Moore won’t concede. The question is whether he’ll show up on Capitol Hill waving his little pearl-handled derringer and demanding to be seated.

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    Jager says:

    Moore will just show up in DC anyway, bible under his arm, all dressed up in his cowboy outfit, the lovely Kayla and his Jew lawyer in tow.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Workaround for what?

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    kindness says:

    Not to be a dick but I will…Aren’t you supposed to take your flag down in the rain? Yes, you are. Doesn’t that hold true for snow too? I was a Boy Scout far too long ago to remember that part. I have a number (a lot really) of Proud Americans who fly flags on my street and they never take them down or in. No lights on them at night (that’s the out for 24 hour flying) or anything. I smile and nod as I go by. Why fight with someone I don’t know but lives by me? Still….

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    different-church-lady says:

    @sylvania: OK. Let us know when you’re through.

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    Steeplejack says:


    FYWP workaround for what?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Jager: …on horseback pony-back.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: He’s #1 on my pie list, so I had no idea who had said that. But, yeah, I was nearly certain that you weren’t serious just looking for reassurance.

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    magurakurin says:

    @joel hanes:

    And neither can anyone else

    that’s the part that always worries me. Snow here in this corner of Western Japan is a rarity. The drivers are hit with absolute panic. An inch of snow can bring the roads to a standstill. Luckily, most times it snows a wee bit and then turns to rain quite quickly. Some areas of Japan see massive amounts of snow though. Along the Sea of Japan it’s like Buffalo on steroids. Not Lake Effect snow, but Sea Effect snow. Unreal amounts.

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    Kelly says:

    I wish we’d get some snow here. The weather system that is driving the Santa Ana winds in So Cal has given us an inversion. Clear weather temps in the Willamette valley 25 to 45 while the mountains are 45 to 65. 50% of a typical snowpack.

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    The Simp in the Suit says:

    I think I might actually put a good snow tire on them

    I’ve always found that having more than one per car works best…

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I bet that if you make them sparkle in the sunlight, they’ll be cool again!
    /sarcasm, obvs.

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    Kirk says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Well, it _IS_ tenguphule. (grin, duck, run)

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    satby says:

    And because winter in Chicago is “dibs” season, for your amusement.

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    @WaterGirl: wasn’t even looking for that, just blabbing.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Kelly: I miss the Oregon Cascades.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @NotMax: Extra impossible to see, since it was under half an inch of snow.

    I never even had a chance to be scared, it happened so fast. And, oddly, my friend took it even more calmly than I did. Which is weird because she freaks out at the drop of a hat.

    When I thought back to my reaction, I realized something odd: my brain went, “OK, for at least the next second or so there is simply no controlling what direction we’re going in. So look around and evaluate where the other cars are, so that you know exactly what you need to do the moment you gain control again.”

    And in the end it turned out the answer was nothing: it was like we had decided to pull over and park on the shoulder — a precise 360! Joie Chitwood, here I come!

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    NotMax says:

    Now THAT’s odd.

    Lone D candidate for Alabama Secretary of State in 2018 election is named

    (wait for it)

    Chris Christie.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kirk: Hydras are underappreciated in comics.

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    SRW1 says:

    Roy has been waiting by the phone all day, but God hasn’t yet had time to call.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WaterGirl: Sorry to be unclear. I was the one looking for reassurance that you weren’t ditching your project. I never thought you were looking for reassurance.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I have snow envy. We never even got an inch on the ground last year, ever. Still no snow so far this year. If we have to have winter, then there should at least be snow. I am feeling a bit crabby about this.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Aren’t you in central IL? Not getting snow on the prairie is seriously weird.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I see The Librarians is back, starting tonight. I wonder why they are showing episodes #401 and #404 tonight, then #402 next week. Math is hard, I guess. I know Baud likes The Librarians, I hope he set it to record before he went on his big trip.

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    @WaterGirl: ah. No, I really enjoy it, thanks for reading! The one thing that bums me out is the pace but that’s kind of unavoidable since I need to put the pieces in place. If I was doing more than one a week I doubt that would bug me? In retrospect I might have started the story a week early?

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    dmsilev says:


    Roy has been waiting by the phone all day, but God hasn’t yet had time to call.

    Perhaps He left a voicemail?

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    Mary G says:

    Lots of great suggestions for black women candidates in the replies to this thread:

    Twitter fam: Please share with me your fave black woman candidates. I’m going to try to give to all of them. I hope you do too.When we see Jones beat Moore because *97% of black women* brave all-day lines to vote for him, we’re looking at the future of the Democratic Party.— Jeff Yang (@originalspin) December 13, 2017

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yes to central Illinois, and yes to we used to get snow. Chicago still gets it, but that’s 3 hours away.

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    Jack the Second says:

    @sylvania: Try holding your breath, works wonders for the other 3-year-olds.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    I am in a place* where the TV is tuned to CNN but muted. I see Wilmer is on with Anderson Cooper, and he (Wilmer) looks exceedingly shouty, judging by his gesticulations and facial expressions.

    Wonder what he’s saying (not really).

    *Okay, it’s a bar, okay? OKAY?

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    @Mnemosyne: Next week for me, really looking forward to it.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: No second guessing yourself. Not on Wednesdays, anyway. You can always try again tomorrow.

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    @WaterGirl: but if I didn’t second guess myself I’d never do anything!

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    joel hanes says:


    drivers think that’s an invitation to cut in in front of you. Very aggravating.

    Yes, it can be. Let them do so. Console yourself with the likely prospect that you will arrive at your destination undamaged, and they will not.

    I spent twenty-five years weekend skiing in the Sierra Nevada, deliberately driving into winter storms on mountain roads because powder snow.
    There’s nothing like being passed on a snowy mountain road by some young guy who thinks he can drive fast because he’s got a 4WD Blazer or some shit with oversized snow tires, and then five miles later sailing calmly past that vehicle updside down in the median.

    I think of it as walking, compared to dry-pavement driving, which is running.

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    Timurid says:

    In other news, Lafayette freaking Louisiana beat you guys to first snow (last Friday).
    Of course there’s a decent chance that’s our only snow of the winter…

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    NotMax says:


    Full content of the voice mail: “This is God speaking. Psych!”

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    satby says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Wilmer is working on becoming the green room favorite, now that former President McCain isn’t doing the circuit any longer.

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    magurakurin says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Wilmer’s Red Rose twitter gang is pushing two conflicting memes today.
    1. Sanders purposely stayed out of the Alabama race because a high profile from him wouldn’t have been good for Jones.
    2. Jones’ victory isn’t much to crow about, since he barely beat a pedophile and a Sanders-like, hard left, socialist type candidate would have done much better.
    The two ideas don’t make logical sense when put together.
    They are all such dicks.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’m going with “Me, me, me! Everything is supposed to be about me!”

    If I were on twitter, I would send him a link to this:

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    NotMax says:


    Wilmer, the psoriasis of present day politics.

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    Kelly says:

    @joel hanes: I had the satisfaction of watching one of those guys bounce off both snowbanks finally burying his Blazer in the right bank. He biffed before he got out of sight but far enough ahead I didn’t need to brake very much.

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    satby says:

    Those of you who aren’t getting snow can at least go out tonight and see the meteor shower.

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    B.B.A. says:

    I call on Governor Cuomo to resign immediately.

    …do I need a reason? Oh, fine, here you go.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: psoriasis is treatable, Wilmer is incurable.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Wilmer, the heartbreak of psoriasis of present day politics.

    Fix’d for ya. I love the idea of Wilmer as psoriasis. Hives and shingles would work equally well.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Moore will just show up in DC anyway, bible under his arm, all dressed up in his cowboy outfit, the lovely Kayla and his Jew lawyer in tow.

    @Jager: Bet McConnell lets him into the chamber. The GOP could use a three-ring circus and God knows Moore is always up for any kind of publicity, good or bad, he does not care.

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    Chyron HR says:


    Wonder what he’s saying (not really).

    We must bring an end to the identity politics of black people voting, and embrace the white working child molesters.

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    Catherine D. says:


    I used to have a indoor/outdoor electric warming bed. It was meant for kennel use so was fairly impervious to liquids and had washable covers. I think I got it from a farm catalog.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    They are all such dicks.

    QFT. Fuckemall.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @B.B.A.: I saw your comment earlier today that you were playing both sides of the Franken issue. That gives me zero incentive to want to read what you say or click your links.

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    WaterGirl says:

    My niece just sent me something from instagram: Why you don’t put Christmas lights on palm trees. I must be very juvenile because I think it’s very funny. I wish I had a link but I have no idea how to do that since she sent it to my phone.

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    TenguPhule says:


    The two ideas don’t make logical sense when put together.

    They don’t make any more sense separately.

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    germy says:

    @WaterGirl: I saw that on twitter somewhere. It looked like a penis!

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    @WaterGirl: agreed.

    @WaterGirl: share, other, copy link… (Exact details vary by interface)

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    Jack the Second says:

    @joel hanes: I’d rather have the idiots cut in front of me, whence I can back off safely, than tailgating behind me.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: It’s more like a penis-party with dozens of them lining the streets. Quite festive.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @WaterGirl: I’m very sorry for my behavior these past few weeks. I’m trying to make it up by bringing the comment section together to bond in our loathing of the Worst Democrat Alive, Andrew Cuomo. That’s all I meant by it, really.

    And I promise not to mention, or even refer to, the soon-to-be-former Senator from Minnesota, ever again.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Remember, they’re only dissing the guy who sent 4 KKK murderers to prison because they’re so much more aware of race issues than he is!

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    ThresherK says:

    @satby: I am a practiced administrator of Humira injections for Spousal Ms ThresherK. Now all I can think of is getting close enough to Wilmer to give him that needle and see if anything clears up.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I am not sure how Rep Jim Jordan has not yet been beaten to death.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Okay, I’ve got that part, but then I would have to open BJ on my phone in order to paste it, right. My problem is text on the phone to BJ on my laptop. I love my phone, but it would make me crazy to try to post to BJ on it. I only read BJ on my phone if I’m stuck somewhere with nothing to do.

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    @WaterGirl: it’s kind of amazing how quickly somebody can go full troll, isn’t it?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Slab Head Trump Jr testified before the Senate Intel committee– Senators, not staff, I belive–for a loooooong time

    @ StevenTDennis
    Donald Trump Jr. has left the building. 9 hours after arriving. He waved. He didn’t comment. Hair still slick.

    Virginia Heffernan Retweeted Steven Dennis
    My friend Anna taught Don Jr preschool in Manhattan. She asked him to move his mat one day and he said, “Fuck you, bitch.” He was three. Today’s for you, Anna.

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    delk says:

    @satby: The storm of ‘79: Bilandic’s downfall.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @B.B.A.: Too late. Some bells can’t be un-rung.

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    germy says:

    Black people in Alabama—part of the south that Bernard Sanders’ campaign maligned during the primary as part of “the confederacy”—carry Jones to victory on their backs. Sanders—who didn’t lift a finger to help—claims credit for his “political revolution.”Lord have mercy.
    — Imani Gandy Canes (@AngryBlackLady) December 13, 2017

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    @WaterGirl: i had to install AdGuard on my phone to keep myself sane and now BJ works fine.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I think you must have edited that comment because I was about to reply to one that I’m sure had the word internet in it, but it seems to be gone.

    In any case, yes, I absolutely agree to both comments. I had been mostly skipping over him since last week and I was tempted to add him to the pie list but thought perhaps that was too harsh. Then I read the earlier comment and I’m thinking no, not too harsh at all.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Donald Trump Jr. has left the building. 9 hours after arriving. He waved. He didn’t comment.

    “The earliest memory I have of my father breaking the law was when I was 5. Allow me to peruse my notes so I get this correct for the record…”

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    SFAW says:


    I’m kind of annoyed that ABL was not appropriately deferential and appreciative of St. Bernard whitesplaining things to her and all the other coloreds.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I may have to do that on my iPhone and iPad before I leave for Christmas. All those ads make me nuts. I will try AdGuard based on your (sort of) recommendation.

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    Peale says:

    @magurakurin: yeah. Only 93% of the voters who showed up to vote Democratic in te presidential election in Alabama last year showed up to vote last night. It’s not a win until 100% of Republicans vote for you, too. A- at best #sitdownandshutup

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    germy says:

    @Corner Stone: I always get the two adult sons mixed up. One of them looks like Gary Busey.

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    J R in WV says:

    Tire Rack has good reviews of various winter tires, comparisons of performance on ice, stopping and turning capability. I’ve gone with Bridgestone Blizzak tires for years, first on a front-wheel drive Saab Mrs J drove mostly, and now on our VW 4Motion. I’ll be getting them put on the car tomorrow.

    We ordered after talking with a tire guy, he recommended taller and slightly narrower tires on their own wheels. Not cheap, but really good on snow and not bad on mixed snow and ice. We have a really steep hill to get out of the hollow, with a couple curves near the bottom, so it’s hard to get your speed up for the steep part.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @WaterGirl: @Major Major Major Major: How do I do this penance stuff? Yom Kippur is almost a year away.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @SFAW: I don’t know, that “Lord have mercy” was pitch perfect. Nicely done, ABL.

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    SFAW says:

    @Corner Stone:

    “The earliest memory I have of my father breaking the law was when I was 5. Allow me to peruse my notes so I get this correct for the record…”

    The mental image of a (figurative) steel-cage match between Shitgibbon and Uday/Qusay, to see which of them throws the other under the bus first, warms me on this cold winter evening.

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    Roger Moore says:

    I can’t tell you how annoyed I get whenever I notice the Boy Scouts fly their flag 24/7 with no light at night. WTF are they teaching them if they can’t even get flying the flag right?

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    wvng says:

    As others have said, your house looks lovely.

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    @WaterGirl: I deleted it because it didn’t quite work for me grammatically and I didn’t feel like fixing it, but yeah, why make life harder?

    @B.B.A.: have you tried not being a dick?

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    SFAW says:


    I don’t know, that “Lord have mercy” was pitch perfect. Nicely done, ABL.

    I dunno. I thought “bless his heart” was the preferred phrase ’round these here parts.

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    SFAW says:


    One of them looks like Gary Busey.

    At least Busey was a productive person at one time. Uday/Qusay, not so much.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I do that, too, especially with who and whom – so I just rewrite the sentence so I don’t need to worry about which one is correct.

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    WaterGirl says:

    It’s been cold and windy here all day. It’s early but I think I’m gonna put on my PJs and watch a little TV. Have a good evening, everybody.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Major Major Major Major: it’s, ah, not something that comes easily or naturally for me. I was born this way.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @NotMax: ok, that made me laugh.

    here in the central mountains we are looking at dribs and drabs of snow for the rest of december. then if the new year is like the last couple of years, we will get dumped on march thru may.

    dammit, my keyboard is doing that thing again where it wont capitalize or do any alt functions. da fug?

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    J R in WV says:


    Years ago I had a 4th floor office with a window on the side of our building. Direct view of the warehouse outfit next door. They flew a flag, all lit up, 24×7. I’m not a flag waver, but there is a right way and a wrong way.

    It just got shabbier, torn edges, little holes, worse and worse. Finally on my lunch break I went next door and asked to speak to site management.

    I gave them the full treatment, veteran, flag standards and rules, embarrassed to see Our Flag being Disrespected, expecting better of them, not yelling, very calm and quite. By the time I got lunch and back to my office the shabby flag was gone.

    Next day they had a new one, bright colors, whole different look. Shabby was just so sad!

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Man, that one Bro in the responses was just refusing to STFU. I kept expecting him to say, “Well, what about Cliff Richard, hm? Hm?!”

    (Wondering how many people here will get that reference.)

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    Gravenstone says:

    After much dithering over the last couple of days, nature finally decided it was time for our first storm of the season. 4-7″ with a bit of drifting. As I’m on vacation, I’ll get around to clearing the drive in the morning.

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    joel hanes says:

    @J R in WV:

    We have a really steep hill to get out of the hollow, with a couple curves near the bottom

    See if “SpikeSpider” snow “chains” are available to fit your car.
    They’re pricey, but it only takes 30 seconds to put them on or take them off, and you can do it without sitting or laying on the ground, almost without stooping. I used them for a decade, and loved them.
    They’re not for driving 100s of miles; they’re for the really awful bits where you really want chains.
    Top speed with the spikes on is about 30 mph, and you’re better advised to drive 20 mph or less.
    But for the last two miles of unplowed roads between you and the ski cabin on a Friday night at midnight, they are wunnaful wunnaful wunnaful.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I have never in my life heard that stupidity is contagious, but goddam, Charlie Pierce took a helluva chance posing for this picture. I’d love to hear the backstory. Maybe they know his sports writing. Or he told them he was Santa in disguise.

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    debbie says:


    More anger would have been more appropriate.

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    jharp says:

    Super cool house but you should trim the bushes back by a lot.

    You can barely discern the super cool wrap around porch.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Major Major Major Major: How about this: I promise to limit the targets of my dickishness to Republicans and Nazis (but I repeat myself). And Democrats who betray their own party for no reason, like Cuomo did with the State Senate. Acceptable?

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    Mike J says:

    @jharp: Who do you think John is, Glenn Greenwald? Why do you want his house to get a Brazilian?

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    germy says:

    @Mike J: Again I checked greenwald’s twitter account and not a peep from him about the Alabama election.

    He doesn’t care.

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    J R in WV says:


    When we visited the parents back when they had a place in Fl, that’s exactly what they did, twinkling lights on palm trees, all that gorgeous landscaping planting, with lights. This was a LONG time ago, but I’m sure they still do it. Why would you not?

    We don’t decorate for xmas any more, two old folks who don’t believe in either the folks myths nor the religious myths. Why would we? Last time we did it we had a really big tree, had a potluck dinner, everyone invited to put something on the tree, from the copious supplies. We’ve donated most of it that was worth keeping since then.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Holy shit, I can see the IQ dribbling out of Charlie’s ears in real time.

    His Esquire dispatches from Alabama are really, really good.

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    germy says:

    @J R in WV:

    Why you don’t put Christmas lights on palm trees.— memes 🎄 (@memeprovider) December 11, 2017

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    he told them he was Santa in disguise.

    Seems like a good story as any. I’m sure he reassured Louie that his asparagus would be OK.

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    Jim Parish says:

    @delk: “Blizzards”, plural; there were two of them that year – one right after New Years, and then the one you’re talking about. That was my first winter in Chicago after growing up mostly in the Sun Belt (HA, AZ, CA). It was… quite an experience.

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    @germy: I saw a similar pic about 20 years ago, just one palm tree.

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    Mike J says:

    The Kentucky state rep who was diddling little girls did the world a favor.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Seems like a good story as any. I’m sure he reassured Louie that his asparagus would be OK.

    Get Marco Rubio in there looking for his courage and Charlie could be the Wizard to Goehmert’s scarecrow and King’s racist tin man

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    J R in WV says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    “@B.B.A.: have you tried not being a dick?”

    B.B.A.: “But that’s sooo HARD!!!!” Fabricated for fun. ;-)

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    SFAW says:


    (Wondering how many people here will get that reference.)

    Including me. I mean, I know who he is, but I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard any of his songs, and certainly haven’t thought about him in about 20 years. So what’s the joke/ref?

    But that BBro (assuming you mean “Inspector Ratchet”) was probably a bot, based on the monomaniacal content of his/its responses.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @germy: We’re talking post motorcycle accident Busey, right?

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @SRW1: God is Holy Ghosting him

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Randy Bryce‏Verified account @ IronStache
    In the close to 24 hours since Doug Jones’ victory, our campaign has raised nearly $50,000.

    This is what a wave looks like.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Dang. I lived in Rantoul for four years as a kid (1960-64), and we had heavy, heavy snow every winter.

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    satby says:

    @Catherine D.: thanks, I have to look at the tractor supply near here.

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    raven says:

    @Steeplejack: Air Force brat huh?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ….and

    Matt Fuller‏Verified account @ MEPFuller
    Here’s a story for you:
    There are a bunch of rumors flying around the Capitol that Paul Ryan’s speakership may be coming to an end soon.

    ETA: The idea is that once tax reform is passed he can run away after a win

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    fuckwit says:

    Moore can lick my ass.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: IronStache is coming for his ass.

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    Shana says:

    @satby: Sometimes I miss Chicago.

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    Jager says:

    Growing up in ice and snow country, I learned how to have fun on slippery roads….find an open stretch, get going about 30-40 miles an hour, jam on the brakes, lock the wheels, put the car in reverse, let off the brakes and floor the accelerator…you’re going forward the wheels are going backward and the 360s you do beat any amusement park ride known to man. Woo woo! The look on your teen aged girl friends face-priceless!

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    lurker dean says:

    agree on the snow tires, they make a huge difference. i had a honda element that had a similar awd as the crv – it was okay in snow with all-seasons on flat roads, but if you’re in a hilly area like wv, i’m guessing the all-seasons wouldn’t cut it.

    coincidentally just finished loading the mounted snow tires into my car for the mechanic to install tomorrow. i went a little crazy and got nokian hakkapelittas, which a friend from vermont turned me on to. supposedly one of the best snow tires made, made in finland. pricey but excellent.

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    Shana says:

    @Mnemosyne: I think it was only two KKKers.

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    rekoob says:

    @MomSense: Haakapeliitta’s FTW! I recommend Nokians to all and sundry. Fantastic technology and more durable than many Bridgestone variants. (Bridgestone owns a bit of Nokian.)

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    rikyrah says:

    Your house looks beautiful, Cole 😄😎

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    Brachiator says:


    Sanders—who didn’t lift a finger to help—claims credit for his “political revolution.”

    Someone really should talk to Bernie. He’s pathetic if he really believes this. Maybe he is having a sad because nobody invited him to help with the election.

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    rekoob says:

    @rekoob: Agree with Tire Rack and others that a smaller diameter, narrower tire can be a good choice. Oftentimes, Tire Rack recommends the “base trim” tire size if you have a snazzier version. If you have a 17″ wheel, see whether the more mundane version of your vehicle has a 16″ wheel and size accordingly. That may prompt you to go slower and observe conditions better, too.

    Also, it’s Hakkapeliitta — Finnish can be confusing! All those cases!

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    ChiGail says:

    @satby: And I was stuck in Hyde Park with a toddler. That year, ’79-80, Chicago ended up with nearly 90″ of snow.

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    fuckwit says:

    Moore can also suck my balls.

    Even his fellow American Taliban think he’s a joke:

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    Corner Stone says:

    Another great example of how decency is not only not returned, but smashed and jammed down your throat.
    The Scott Brown seating vs the 2017 tax bill.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Voters do not give a shit about decency. The Democratic Party needs to learn this eventually.

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    Steeplejack says:



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    satby says:

    @ChiGail: That would be hard, I wasn’t married with kids then, so my friends and I had fun outside, and then had great blizzard parties inside. What the heck, the entire city shut down for days.

    Edited: brain now inserting commas everywhere…time to sleep. Night all.

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    SFAW says:


    Even his fellow American Taliban think he’s a joke:

    Fuckabee joked (in that tweet) about God not being registered to vote in AL. I wonder if Fuckabee is trying to say God is black, and wasn’t allowed to register.

    Dueling talibangelicals reminds me of the Emo Phillips joke.

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    Another Scott says:

    @SFAW: That’s such a great bit! Thanks for the clip.


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    WaterGirl says:

    Just popping in for a second to say that I just noticed Last Tango in Halifax Holiday Special in my Tivo list of upcoming recordings. I must not have deleted the season pass after Last Tango in Halifax ended last year.

    Happy surprise! Just wanted to mention it in case other fans of Last Tango don’t know this is coming up.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Yeah, I saw that in my channel guide earlier today. Going on the DVR.

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    joel hanes says:

    I had family in Fisher for twenty years till they moved into Champaign.
    Fisher. Home of the Fighting Bunnies.
    My people had to be covert liberals because so much of the community was God-besotted and incapable of reflection.

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    joel hanes says:


    It’s a little hard on Dad’s car, though.
    I’ll bet you know how to shift a manual without using the clutch, too.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Never to forget. Never to forgive.

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    Jim Parish says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Damn. I keep doing that.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @dmsilev: God always answers Judge Roy’s prayers. Sometimes the answer is No.

    Most times the answer is Are you fuckin’ kidding me, you preeeevert?!?!?

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Corner Stone: It’s the Glibertarian Ethos, as personified by Ayn Rand cashing her Social Security checks: If they are stupid enough to give me something for free, I am smart enough to take it & spit in their faces!

    Bastards. (And TBH that’s an unconscionable slur on those of societally-unsanctioned birth. Or as Lee Marvin put it in the closing line of The Professionals, after Ralph Bellamy had called him one: “Yes, Sir. In my case an accident of birth. But you, Sir, you’re a self-made man.”)

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    Apropos snow, we recently were getting texts from relatives down in Alabama with pictures of the snowfall that blanketed the northern part of the state. I went to, the web site for the major newspapers, and watched a lovely drone flight filming south side of Birmingham, where I was born and grew up many, many years ago, covered in snow. (My wife finally let me get her an Android phone, because her hearing is so bad she can not talk on the phone without extreme difficulty. It has opened texting as a major means of communication for her.)

    We wrote back and told them perhaps this was Hell freezing over, and portended the election of Doug Jones.

    Looks like we were right.

    I still remember schools in Birmingham in our youth turning out or cancelling entire days if three little snowflakes wafted thru the air.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: Thanks, germy! That’s the one I got from my niece that I wanted to post here.

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    mainmata says:

    @Raoul: We have a 2011 Subaru Forester mainly for long distance and the Shenandoah farm work. Otherwise, we have a Ford E-Max Energy Hybrid, which gets incredible mileage and has really fast pickup (apparently that’s a thing with electric motors. I have never owned an American made vehicle before but it seems like Ford, at least, is trying to be competitive in the environment field (which is my life’s work).

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