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We survived Breitbartpocalypse!

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

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This year in one tweet!

What’s on the agenda as we grind down towards year-end?
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Thoughts & prayers (yes, I know exactly how useless that sounds) for those on the Wildfire Coast. It seems miraculous that “only” one death has been attributed to these fires, as of now.
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NB: There will be a separate post about the Pensacola rally later today, because ugh.

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  2. 2.

    lowtechcyclist

    Already Exhausted With 2017

    ‘Already’? I think I was exhausted with this year by the second, or certainly the third, time those fuckers tried to repeal the ACA and ‘replace’ it with some random grab-bag of bullshit.

  3. 3.

    Alain the site fixer

    Morning all. Still waiting for the promised snow to begin here in DC, but hoping it waits till 8 so I can dash to store for a baguette and perhaps a croissant or two. Have a great day everybody, don’t let Trump and Republicans poison your discourse or the joys of the season and family. It’s dark, but light will come!

  4. 4.

    lowtechcyclist

    Waiting for the snow here in southern Maryland. Got a gloomy dawn outside with heavy clouds overhead, but no flakes yet.

    ETA: Looked more closely, got a few flakes now. Hopefully there will be enough on the ground by the time the kid awakens to make him happy.

  5. 5.

    evap

    Serious snow here in Atlanta. In early December. Just mind-boggling! Spousal unit and I will go for a walk later and check it out, it looks like 4-5 inches fell.

  8. 8.

    Steve in the ATL

    @evap: what part of town are you in?

    I’m in a long security line at LAX full of people whose flights to or through Atlanta were cancelled yesterday.

  9. 9.

    Raven

    @Steve in the ATL: normaltown, I’m at Big City Bread with the pups as usual. Hit the Farmer’s Market at Bishop and then make our Saturday stop at bNormal Harwarew to see what up.

  10. 10.

    Ohio Mom

    Good morning everyone! I am happy happy to report Ohio Dad’s recovery from his aortic valve replacement surgery on Thursday precedes apace.

    He was up and eating breakfast yesterday morning — well, picking at it: he doesn’t have much appetite yet, and I don’t think the hospital food is going to inspire any — and took two short walks, nurse and drainage bags in tow.

    He is very tired of course, and things hurt, but it is amazing to think the doctors stop.your.heart. and you can live through it, and even eventually come out better for it.

    I want to thank everyone again for all the support and encouragement shown me Thursday morning during the longest five and a half hours of my life, waiting for the all clear from the surgeon. We jackals have a great thing going here in our corner of internet, we have built a wonderful community, and should all be proud of ourselves for this.

  16. 16.

    Raven

    @Steve in the ATL: Of course I sit here thinking of all the reasons I don’t like going out there this time of year. When we went to the Rose Bowl in 84 we were the last plane to get out of St Looie before the blizzard shut it down. This was before Xmas so we got to the game ok but it still sucked.

  17. 17.

    HeleninEire

    Looks like we’re getting some snow here. Maybe only in the West though. It’s so cold here that I actually bought a hat. I haven’t worn a hat since my mother was dressing me. Hats mess up my naturally curly hair! Even in the dead of a freezing NY winter I got away with just ear muffs.

    But yesterday, I popped into H&M, plunked my €5 down on the counter and asked them to please take the tags off. All the while muttering to myself “when did you become such a weather wuss?”

  19. 19.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Raven: does she enjoy 4 am visits from people she doesn’t know? Though I could have used a nice home cooked meal last night.

  21. 21.

    Raven

    @Steve in the ATL: We’re going to see. Her husband died in July and being alone has been quite an adjustment. Care taking him for so many years threw any normal sleep patterns out the window. I feel like we need to stay with her for several reasons but it’s will be a challenge for all. I think we are going to drive north nether nday batter the game and meet up with my homie from Oakland. Maybe Morrow Bay or Kings Canyon.

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @HeleninEire: You lose a lot of heat thru an uncovered head as your body tries to keep the brain warm enough to function. As a fellow sufferer of curly hair syndrome I’d rather be warm with hat hair afterwards than handsome and cold, not that I ever had to worry about the “handsome” part.

  30. 30.

    Immanentize

    @Ohio Mom: That is great news! I’m sure even getting up to eat at the table is exhausting, but he will be up and about in no time now. I will keep the healthy thoughts aimed in your direction.

  32. 32.

    NotMax

    Testing out expectorant cough pills that were on special at Costco. If nothing else will be well hydrated, as instructions specify to take one pill along with an entire glass of water every 4 hours.

  33. 33.

    Immanentize

    So I have that damn coughing virus others mentioned. Cough cough cough. No other symptom. Just unproductive hacking. I sound like my dad, the 3-pack a day-er.

  35. 35.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Raven: My wife got a funny looking knit cap as an extra for an order she made for some cave gear. She hated it and gave it to me. I love it, it’s made to go with a helmet which makes it perfect for a hardhat and it’s very warm too.

  40. 40.

    Immanentize

    @NotMax: I may head to Costco if you discover those cough drops.work. which reminds me, what ever happened to some of the cough medicines of my youth?
    Throat disks (cough drops)
    Terpenhydrate (cough syrup)

  43. 43.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Immanentize: serious stuff. Do you know anything about appealing criminal convictions in Brazil? Asking for a friend. Actually, my former CPA. In his defense, the four keys of white in his briefcase weren’t his; he was set up. Unfortunately, he was set up by the cartel for whom he’s been laundering money. Had thanksgiving dinner with his wife and children. Was not terribly festive!

    Pro tip for all you kids out there: don’t hire your attorney off of Craigslist São Paulo, and if you don’t speak Portuguese don’t hire the one attorney in Brazil who speaks no English.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    Not good.

    DR Congo: Over a dozen UN peacekeepers killed in worst attack on ‘blue helmets’ in recent history
    [snip]
    All of the peacekeeping troops killed in the brutal attack which reportedly lasted some three hours were from Tanzania. In addition, three members of the contingent are reported to be missing in action. Source

  45. 45.

    debbie

    @Ohio Mom:

    Great news! I can’t believe how quickly they have patients walking around. I understand why, but I remember feeling not at all ready to even sit up.

  46. 46.

    Sloane Ranger

    3 degrees here in Northamptonshire UK. Light dusting of frost on the tops of the cars this morning but currently sunny and cold. Snow forecast for tomorrow.

    Changing the subject, every time I see Trump in a formal setting Pence is standing behind him. I don’t remember the VP being quite so ubiquitous during previous administrations. Is my memory playing tricks on me or is he more high profile and, if so, why?

    Also, Pence swore in, I think, the new Head of Homeland Security even though Trump was present. Is that normal?

  47. 47.

    Quinerly

    @Immanentize: I’m fighting what I guess is a really bad cold/sinus thing. I hope it doesn’t go to the cough stage (I usually don’t get a cough) but my electrician, plumber/carpenter had it with coughs. One day you think you have whipped it. Next day, the cold is back with a vengeance. Came back on me yesterday.

  48. 48.

    geg6

    @Ohio Mom:

    Oh, good news! Yay!

    Not expecting more than a dusting here. But it’s pretty damn cold this morning. One more week at work and then off until Jan. 2!!!!

  50. 50.

    Immanentize

    @Steve in the ATL: I actually may know an attorney in Brazil that was a former student who may be able to track down someone to help. But I can’t even get on that until Monday if time is critical….

  56. 56.

    Ohio Mom

    @Quinerly: I was away from here for most of yesterday, between keeping Ohio Son on his schedule, emailing and texting far flung family, schlepping to the hospital, hanging out with Ohio Dad, and also listening to my sister. She came down from Michigan to help out and she is a yakker.

    She is a sweetie, a great cook, on top of everything, but boy, does she go on and on.

    I would have gone to bed two hours earlier last night if not for hearing every detail of the last few months of her life. I felt bad when I finally announced I absolutely was falling asleep sitting up.

  57. 57.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Quinerly: St. Louis meet up unlikely next week. The collective bargaining agreement I’m negotiating expires Wednesday so I’m going to be working almost around the clock either bargaining or drafting proposals.

    Wish I could; I just met my first juicer IRL and it was fun (was going to say that Ruckus took my BJ cherry but that seemed like really bad phrasing).

  62. 62.

    NotMax

    FYI.

    Middle East politics dominated Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s agenda Friday: He met with the Lebanese prime minister who took back his resignation, listened to allies criticize the administration’s Jerusalem decision and chided Saudi Arabia to be more “measured” and “thoughtful” in waging war in Yemen.

    After a day of talks, in which every leader who appeared publicly with Tillerson expressed opposition to President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the secretary predicted it will take two years or longer before the U.S. Embassy can be physically relocated from Tel Aviv.
    [snip]
    The Paris stop concluded Tillerson’s four-day visit to Europe, which included stops in Brussels and Vienna. All three cities host multiple U.S. diplomatic missions responsible not only for the country in which they are located but for international organizations, like NATO in Brussels and the Organization for Security and Co-operation (OSCE) in Europe in Vienna. Only one of the nine potential ambassadorships is filled by a Senate confirmed appointment, underscoring the slow pace of filling senior positions in the State Department. Source

  63. 63.

    Immanentize

    The snow hasn’t started here yet, but the Immp’s robotics team qualifier has been cancelled. Yet his morning driver’s education class has not. Gotta motivate –. See y’all later.

  69. 69.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Quinerly: yeah, I know that feeling. At least I’m in house so instead of living in six minute hell I get to call outside counsel and yell at them about their bills!

  72. 72.

    Kay

    @NBCNews
    10h10 hours ago
    More
    President Trump weighed in on news about Beverly Young Nelson, one of the women who accusing U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexual misconduct. Moore has denied all allegations against him.

    Just another ordinary day in the US, where the Trump Administration uses the office to smear and belittle people. No one even comments on that fact that they’re getting worse but it’s true- they get nastier and more mean-spirited every week. They don’t lie less than they did a month or a year ago- they lie more- and it’s spreading. Now the whole GOP Congress lie easily and publicly about legislation they voted for.

    Anyone outside of career civil servants who still works for Trump is by definition a bad person.

  74. 74.

    Steve in the ATL

    @eclare: there’s nothing like looking back at your life and having a record of the decades on six minute increments. I’ve known lawyers who worked ten hours a day, six days a week, and documented every minute of it. Kill me now.

  76. 76.

    ArchTeryx

    @Ohio Mom: Shows how behind the times I truly am, I missed the whole event. :/ Sometimes I hate the comment system here. I’m really glad OhioDad is recovering well…having survived major surgery twice myself, I know how tough it can be.

  81. 81.

    Emma

    So. Dad fell tuesday night, had emergency surgery wednesday morning (broken femur, they put in a stabilizing rod from hip to knee). My sister and I have spent much of the last three days in the hospital, taking care of him and tangling with the bureucracy. And then I felt it yesterday in the late afternoon. Sore throat, stuffed up sinuses, high temperature. Hospital flu, bless it. So I am confined home today at least. I am going to make a huge pot of chicken soup and hit the decongestants. What a freaking year.

  85. 85.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Steve in the ATL:

    documented every minute of it.

    Yep. I’ve worked for general contractors who wanted me to document every minute of my day. I always told them it was the stupidest thing I’d ever heard of as I’d spend more time telling them what I did than doing what they hired me to do (which was fix sub-contractors’ screw ups). I just flat out refused to do it. Somehow or other I never got fired for that bit of insubordination.

  87. 87.

    Kay

    I went to what I call (in my head) The Republican Lawyers Christmas Party last night- that’s not the official name but that’s what it is- it’s lawyers who are active or their firms are GOP donors or connected within the state GOP and then county GOP electeds- local level- people like recorders and auditors and county clerks. They invite me and my husband every year because 1. he is a former prosecutor and 2. they like him.

    Whether they are or not (questionable) they consider themselves the intellectual and moral leaders of the local county parties and very few of them supported Trump- Kasich won the primaries in these counties. They’re defensive and cranky about Trump and they wouldn’t talk about him, even though never before have they shied away from politics at one of these things- the year Kasich won it was basically a Kasich victory party. Instead we got shit like “let’s focus on what matters- family and friends”. Amusing.

  92. 92.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Kay: “let’s focus on what matters- family and friends”. To which I would reply “And how trump is destroying them.”

  94. 94.

    Sab

    @Steve in the ATL: Yes. I switched from law to accounting, and it has been wonderful to only do 15 minute increments for my career.

    My lucky siblings chose to go into careers with no billable hours at all. Great for them, but I am afraid to answer my sisters’ phone calls because they do like to talk for no purpose.

  95. 95.

    Brachiator

    @Ohio Mom: Good to hear that things are going good. Sometimes medical technology is truly amazing. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

  98. 98.

    Quinerly

    @Steve in the ATL: A bunch of areas over the years. Started out in general practice, went over to a workers’comp defense firm that essentially did work solely for Anheuser Busch, from there for the last 25 years business and commercial litigation, foreclosures, ….with some copyright infringement enforcement mixed in about 15 years ago. The extent of my travel was for depositions before I could push that off on associates. Short stint in house at Wells Fargo Financial a few years ago where I was miserable. Very lucky that my old firm took me back after I had left them for what I thought greener pastures.

  99. 99.

    Kay

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I don’t know. I sat at the “fancy table” the year of the primary- older and richer- and they were all miserable – if they couldn’t have Kasich they wanted Chris Christie so maybe it wasn’t “local” so much as it was someone they consider presentable or not insane. I in no way feel sorry for them but they really aren’t Trump supporters- there’s a real divide in the GOP. It just doesn’t mean anything as a practical matter because they all fall in line at the end, but it does exist. They’re not happy. They know this is bad for the country. They just aren’t willing to act on it. It’s hard to leave a Party not just because of ideology or “tribalism” but because of real relationships. One can hate “Democrats” meaning senators or whatever and if one is locally active one can still have real relationships with local “Democrats” and want to remain in the fold not for Chuck Schumer but for 20 years of friendships.

  102. 102.

    Kay

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    There’s a criminal defense lawyer, female, who is a local and abandoned the GOP over Trump. She’s a very good lawyer and she’s always been sort of “controversial” for rural Ohio- has a chaotic personal life which she’s vocal about, is incredibly blunt. She came over to us specifically to tell us she left the GOP and hates both Trump and Pence. Pence may actually be worse for her- she was never part of the religious faction. She doesn’t matter though- they would never appoint her to anything, Trump or no Trump, because she’s criminal defense. She’s like “the maverick” :)

    Still, I appreciated the effort and she was very funny about it. She said she “will not forgive them” for Trump and I know her- she won’t.

  106. 106.

    germy

    Issur Danielovitch Demsky turns 101 today, but he started the birthday celebration a day early Friday by placing a phone call to his 98-year-old sister, Ida Sahr, in Schenectady.

    Demsky, known to most of us as Kirk Douglas, was born in Amsterdam, NY on Dec. 9, 1916. The famous movie actor, who lives just outside of Los Angeles, was at his home Friday afternoon when he contacted his younger sister by phone. After some technical glitches were worked out, the two Amsterdamian natives were able to talk and see each other via Facebook Live.

  107. 107.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    “What the hell is happening in Chicago?” Trump said. The president said the legal system was “rotten” when his supporters chanted “Lock her up!” about Clinton, without explaining how it was so — or who was responsible — or noting that he was in charge.

    I think we are entering into the era of the American Twatocarcy.

    I predict in 2020 Trump will run against himself.

  109. 109.

    Raven

    @OzarkHillbilly: I worked building online courses with faculty for 10 years. Our “management” wanted us to use project management software and procedures. We resisted explaining that that is not the way these folks work. After a couples of years that quit with that shit.

  111. 111.

    Kay

    @rikyrah:

    I’m a bad person so I was getting a kick out of how they can’t talk about him. The year Kasich won they made an announcement that he was the next President, so compare/contrast. I’m also a bad loser and it was only a month after so that was a very difficult evening for me :)

    This event just didn’t have the same arrogant certitude and boasting I’m used to. It was all thoughts and prayers.

  112. 112.

    germy

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Rs want to kill us and disenfranchise us but so many Ds want to just play kissy face and compromise with them, like wives of abusive husbands.

    Don’t those democrats share some of the same donors as repubs? To continue your analogy, they’re like wives of abusive husbands who get checks from the husband’s father and decide not to leave because that would “destroy the home”

  119. 119.

    Kay

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    One of the (retired) judges last night was telling me his son is now an FBI agent. Really proud of it. I wanted to ask him whether he appreciates the GOP President saying they’re all corrupt. I mean, WTF with these people? What does it take for them to withdraw support? I’m a team player so I get them in a way, but Jesus. There’s a LINE. How do they square things? This same judge once started a scholarship for a foreign engineering student judge had befriended somehow. The kid was Muslim and student gave a kind of invocation at the event thanking the donors- I’m fuzzy on religions but it was clearly Muslim. It was like a Presbyterian/Muslim love-fest, that dinner. We ALL love striving engineers, apparently. This was ten years ago. I have watched them go so far Right and so few have peeled off. How far are they willing to go along?

  122. 122.

    germy

    @Aimai:

    his autobiography is fantastic—brilliant.

    I’ve never read it. I’d be interested in reading about his experience with Paths of Glory.

  123. 123.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Raven: On my last such job I’d have punchlists of things to fix the vast majority of which were like:
    -Screw missing from bottom hinge of front door @ 221
    – Corner countertop in 734 has scratch in it.
    -Trim around front window in 335 has come loose
    -Door on corner wall cabinet in 424 needs adjustment
    -ad nauseum

    I’d have a clipboard full of 2-3 minute fix items, take me longer to grab and carry the right tools in than it did to fix the problems. My laborer’s lists were worse tho. One time he had a note consisting of “-336 Dead fly in corner of front bedroom.” I kid you not.

    And they wanted us to track and list how long it took to fix this shit?

  124. 124.

    schrodingers_cat

    @OzarkHillbilly: As a professional carpenter what is your opinion of all these DIY bloggers and their “farm house” furniture that all looks the same and costs a fortune. And are there blogs/sites that you would recommend for design/organizing inspiration.

  125. 125.

    japa21

    Woke up this morning to a phone call from our Missouri son. He was in the process of taking our eldest grandson to take his ACT test. Now I feel very old.

  126. 126.

    laura

    @Ohio Mom: good news is a precious thing these days.
    Best wishes for more getting better and thank you Ohio Mom for sharing the news.
    That Tom Petty was right -the waiting is the hardest part.

  128. 128.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @schrodingers_cat:

    As a professional carpenter what is your opinion of all these DIY bloggers and their “farm house” furniture that all looks the same and costs a fortune.

    Sorry, I don’t even know what you are speaking of.

    And are there blogs/sites that you would recommend for design/organizing inspiration.

    Sorry again, I don’t search the internet for “design/organizing inspiration”. If there is one thing I have learned about the internet it is that any search will turn up contradictory advice about almost any anything. So I read books and magazines, 2 of which are Fine Woodworking and Fine Homebuilding. They are both worth while and informative. I don’t read them for the technical aspects but rather for ideas of cool stuff I might do (This winter I’m going to build the wife a new dining room table based on one I saw in FW, a trestle design, pretty cool) I am not sure if they will be helpful to you or not as I am unsure of exactly what you might be looking for, but they are a place to start. You can find them at Barnes and Nobles and most big box hardware stores

  129. 129.

    Peale

    @schrodingers_cat: ummm. No. As far as I can tell, very few Dems are trying to play “kissy face” and it’s only a few jerkwad pundits like tweety who are longing for the days when Tip O’Neil and Ronald Reagan could bond over scotch. Right now, if someone ran a campaign Pledging to reach across the aisle, that candidate would see no support. The bernistas even though they think they will unite all the people on a screw the bankers and fuck the free traders platform aren’t gaining any more ground than they did before. That’s as close to a “reach out” that there’s been so far.

  130. 130.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Ohio Mom: I’m late to the morning thread, but delighted to hear that OhioDad is recovering nicely! Happy holiday(s) of your choice!

  131. 131.

    schrodingers_cat

    @OzarkHillbilly: Thanks I will look both in my library and Barnes and Noble. Here is an example
    We moved into our new house just last year and it is a work in progress. Want to redo the closets because the current shelving in the closets is very narrow (about a foot) and the wire kind.
    I love older wood furniture and most of my stuff is from garage sales and estate sales, lots of great deals to be had here in the Commonwealth if one is patient.

  132. 132.

    MomSense

    @schrodingers_cat:

    There was a book that had a title something like Use What You Have decorating. I found it helpful because it provided some basics about furniture arranging (balance, focal point, etc), how to hang art and photos, and other useful techniques. When I was decorating a farmhouse on a budget, I learned where the good second hand furniture stores were and how to figure out what was worth fixing and what wasn’t. The entry hall commode you posted is really just a narrow (probably upper cabinet depth) table with shaker style doors. We have stores in Maine where you can buy windows, doors, cabinets, and other case goods for really low prices. You could always repurpose a couple upper cabinets by adding a wooden counter top and a base and then painting them. I might be tempted to find a sofa or console table with shaker legs, paint it if the finish is damaged, and then either put two large baskets underneath or storage ottoman cubes which you could use for extra seating.

    My taste tends to be toward simple and never cutesy country. If you want to use do a distressed finish, be careful. Too much of that style in a room feels gimmicky.

  133. 133.

    schrodingers_cat

    @MomSense: I am actually not a big fan of that style, but that’s all I can find on blogs, its seems to be what’s in currently. That and blue and gray paint. Like that’s the gloomy color palette I need in these dark and gloomy winter days.

    ETA: Not a fan of distressing either.

  134. 134.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Kay: I think the real driving force is dementia and to much TV. Baby boomers are huge demographic, they are getting old and dying now and Trump is just a manifestation of all that fear and confusion.

  135. 135.

    MomSense

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Ooh meant to add that libraries often have tons of house decorating and architecture magazines. Look through them and take a photo of the designs you like. Don’t think about it, just snap photos of the ones you like instantly. If you look back at the designs you pick, I bet you will find they have something in common. That will help you when you make decisions. Actually houzz is good for that because you can just save photos in an idea book and then go back and see what your picks have in common.

  137. 137.

    cynthia ackerman

    @Sloane Ranger:

    Dead thread, but do not see any other reply.

    Pence is on display for the fundegelical base. The Jerusalem announcement was mainly a sop to them, and Pence is about keeping them focused.

  142. 142.

    Ruckus

    @Ohio Mom:
    Very good to hear. Amazing stuff they can do these days. Scary to participate but they do them so often that they are almost routine now. Almost. Always like good health news.
    On that front, just had a fun heart test a few days ago, called a bubble echo. They inject bubbles in your blood stream to see what the valves do. I’d bet Ohio Dad had one. But now they are getting serious, angiogram in 2 weeks. Can’t wait.

  143. 143.

    Ruckus

    @debbie:
    I hate hats as well but with no hair, no hat hair. Only advantage to being old and bald that I know of. Plus the noggin is closer to the sun, which keeps it warmer, or so the instructions say.

  145. 145.

    frosty

    @eclare: Engineer here. We do 30 minute increments. I’d spend all my time trying to figure out my timesheet if they were 6 minutes!

  146. 146.

    Ruckus

    @Kay:

    I have watched them go so far Right and so few have peeled off. How far are they willing to go along?

    Don’t think of them as a political party. Think of them as a gang. You ask why would anyone join a gang but that was answered by Dulé Hill on West Wing. They get to be part of something, to feel like they are contributing to something, to be on a team. It doesn’t really matter what the team is about, they are part of it. It’s something, which to participants is better than nothing. And it’s self perpetuating, there is always the gang. And if you fight it they will try to decimate you. Because you are dissing the gang, and thereby them. They may not do drive bys but will it really be that much different in the end?
    The republican party has sunk to being a gang. Of course they didn’t do this just last week, it’s been going on for quite a few years, but they act like a gang, one for all and all for one, and they don’t care if those outside the gang die, in fact they encourage it.

  147. 147.

    Steeplejack

    @Kay:

    Do you think those Republicans ruefully pursed their lips and still voted for Trump? Because of course anything would be better than the horror that is Hillary Clinton.

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