Thursday Morning Open Thread: Ride, Sally — Rise!


Buzzfeed has a saner take…

“I am so proud” was the subject line on Weissmann’s email to Yates, sent at 9:50 p.m. on Jan. 30. The body of the email read: “And in awe. Thank you so much. All my deepest respects, Andrew Weissmann.”

A spokesman for the special counsel’s office declined to comment on behalf of the office as well as Weissmann. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement that Weissmann’s email was “astonishing and disturbing.”

“How much more evidence do we need that the Mueller operation has been irredeemably compromised by anti-Trump partisans?” Fitton said. “Shut it down.”

Kathleen Clark, a legal ethics expert at Washington University School of Law, told BuzzFeed News that she didn’t think that Weissmann’s email presented a conflict of interest with his work on the special counsel’s team. Weissmann expressing admiration for Yates was not necessarily evidence of bias, Clark said.

“Weissmann wasn’t taking a swipe at Trump,” Clark said…

In the hours after Yates alerted the Justice Department about her position on the first travel ban and after she was fired, messages continued to come in from DOJ attorneys and staff. “I am 100% behind you and your decision today,” an assistant US attorney in California wrote her.

Another attorney in Pennsylvania wrote, “God bless you!”


Apart from applauding all who resist, what’s on the agenda for the day?

171 replies
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    NobodySpecial says:

    I’m betting Weissman had a relative or two who were refused entry to the US in the 30s. Anyways, who cares about the howler monkeys?

    Oh, and good morning.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Subsequent history proved Yates and those who expressed their admiration for her correct — the original “Muslim ban” was an unconstitutional embarrassment. We’re on the third iteration now, and the issue still hasn’t been resolved. Fitton is a fascist lickspittle.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    Doesn’t anyone know how to use email any more?

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    Quinerly says:

    Good morning from Poco and his tribe! Baud picked a fine time to just abandon us.😈

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    the original “Muslim ban” was an unconstitutional embarrassment.

    Totally beside the point, Betty.

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    gene108 says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    I wonder that more and more.

    What is intersring is the Herculean levels of effort the right-wing is using to try and descredit Mueller before any findings are released.

    They must really be worried he will bring their whole corrupt house of cards down around them.

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    raven says:

    Here’s a story about the Japanese mini sub that the USS Ward sank the morning of Dec 7, 1941. The Ward was the sister ship of the USS Crosby, my dad’s ship. The Ward was sunk by a kamikaze three years to the day later.

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    Derelict says:

    It sure looks like the entire Department of Justice is riddled through and through with people who enforce the law and respect the Constitution. I eagerly await the Republican Congress’s first legislative initiative of 2018: A bill to bar the DOJ from investigating any Republican for anything every, and redirecting the department’s effort to focus solely on investigating Hillary Clinton.

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    PVDMichael says:

    If the Democrats are going to replace Al Franken, can’t they do that while extending a giant middle finger across the aisle?

    There is a 15 year old Minnesota girl who was recently kidnapped by three 30-something men, held for a month, assaulted and abused. We should find out if her mother is a Democrat… and if so, get her appointed to the Senate and on every committee that Roy Moore is going to be assigned to.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Anybody hear from Billinglendale? Getting kinda scary out there.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    She wasn’t fired because of the Muslim ban.
    She was fired because of the Flynn mess.

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    rikyrah says:

    Morning to Poco and the tribe 😄😎

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    rikyrah says:

    They are terrified.

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    Immanentize says:

    In Republican world, you are either a never-unfaithful party apparatchik or you are an enemy of the state. It is really that bad.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Quinerly: Hi Quinn! You used to say that about Corner Stone but it was not said in a serious way then?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: I know that. But now Republicans are trying to use statements Yates’ colleagues made in response to her refusal to enforce the Muslim ban to discredit Mueller’s team and career DOJ employees. It’s bullshit.

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    Aleta says:

    @rikyrah: Yes, and fighting recklessly because they’re cornered.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: He was around earlier. Said the closest fire is about 10 miles away.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Nothing more fascistic than standing up for principle.

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    Just one more canuck says:

    @PVDMichael: maybe there should be a gofundme campaign to get Sally Yates to move to Minnesota so she can replace Franken

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    Immanentize says:

    If we manage to prevail over the current members of this mal-administration, we will replay this scene over and over if there is no de-nazification effort.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @debbie: Wait, what?

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie: Not sure who your observation is referring to — Fitton or Yates?

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    debbie says:

    Anyone else happy to see Patagonia joining the lawsuit against Trump on the national monuments?

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    Immanentize says:

    @Betty Cracker: OK. YOU SAID WHAT I was thinking better….

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    debbie says:


    Yates. Should I be insulted you imply I’d be against Yates?

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Seriously? The Muslim ban shouldn’t be considered to be fascistic?

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    Davebo says:

    If Judicial Watch is pissed off you’re doing it right!

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    Davebo says:

    Remember folks, it was a temporary 90 day Muslim travel ban. Just while they beefed up their super goodly visa vetting process.

    11 months and still working on that I guess.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Thanx. It is hard to correlate the maps (the ones showing the fires don’t show all the cities) and the best I can tell is that the Creek fire is on the northern edge of Glendale and he is well out of any evacuation zone but well within the “Do not breathe” zone. I also wonder about his utilities because who the hell knows how those are routed?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @debbie: One of us needs more coffee.

    @Davebo: Great point that is seldom made in news stories on this issue.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Really? With all the sarcasm that’s tossed around here, you would choose to question what I said?

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    @rikyrah: We’re fine here, thanks for your concern. The closest fire is the “Creek Fire” and it’s about 10 miles away as the crow flies.

    ETA: The primary reason my commenting has been sparse is that I’ve got a cold and I’m trying to sleep as much as possible(and taking drugs).

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @debbie: I was confused by your comment and was trying to understand what you meant. Never mind! /Emily Litella

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Donald Trump Jr. on Wednesday cited attorney-client privilege to avoid telling lawmakers about a conversation he had with his father, President Donald Trump, after news broke this summer that the younger Trump — and top campaign brass — had met with Russia-connected individuals in Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign. Though neither Trump Jr. nor the president is an attorney, Trump Jr. told the House Intelligence Committee that there was a lawyer in the room during the discussion, according to the committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Adam Schiff of California.

    And all this time I thought the attorney-client privilege applied only to the attorney side of this relationship in order for the attorney to provide a full and proper defense of his client. The client however wass free to divulge any information he shared with his attorney anytime he wanted to. That if he didn’t want to, he was instead asserting his 5th amendment rights. But of course, he can not assert his 5th amendment rights to protect another person from legal jeopardy.

    Me thinks these people ain’t too bright.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    And I’ll try to make my succinct points clearer. But for the luvvagod, don’t mistake me for one of them!

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The LA Times has a series of maps that seem pretty good;spell=on

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    debbie says:


    His father never thought to explain the meaning of the word “privilege.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Sleep on, brother.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: You’re correct, the Creek Fire is closest(as I noted above) it’s a few miles to the northwest of the Glendale city limit up in the hill country(La Crescenta). I’m down in the southwestern part of the city and actually close to the border with LA. The smoke’s not bad here since most is blowing to the west from the fire, we can see the smoke plume but not smell it. We’ve not lost utilities except for internet services for about 2 hours on Monday night due to the high winds(I did make a few comments from my new phone during the outage).

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    @OzarkHillbilly: I just got up from a nap(aka doggie snuggle time).

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    Elizabelle says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Hope you’re feeling better soonest.

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    @Elizabelle: Thanks…cough, cough…

    ETA: I’d like to get out a bit and try the camera on phone and see how good it really is(I’ve heard good things about it). It won’t replace my regular camera(it’s 28mp compared to 12mp on the phone) but it’s one that I have with me all the time.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Immanentize: You know me too well. How can that be?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: For me, “doggie snuggle time” amounts to my being allowed a very thin slice of bed between my wife (and ATToY her heating blanket) and the furnace otherwise known as the Woofmeister. The room can be in the 50’s and I won’t have a sheet or blanket over me and I’m still hot. Rolling over from one arthritic shoulder to the other always elicits complaints from my wife or growls from Woofie and usually both. I’m lucky they allow me to lay there at all.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: Know the feeling, our previous cocker was once between me and madame and decided in the middle of the night to stretch her legs; I ended up on the floor.

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    Quinerly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Glad you checked in. You know how jackals can worry.😁 The cold that attempted to take out my carpenter and electrician, and plumber took me down yesterday. Slept 20 hours. Think I shook it. Feel better soon. Stay safe and keep us updated.

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    NotMax says:


    All sorts of stuff to be found off Oahu. From only a few years ago, WWII submarine found: what it was doing in underwater ‘trash heap’ off Hawaii.

    …the deep waters off of Pearl Harbor essentially represent the marine-archaeology equivalent of the kitchen trash for the US Navy.

    For about a century, the US has used those waters to dump tanks, aircraft, unexploded bombs, captured prizes from naval engagements, and surplus ships it no longer needed – a 20th century version of a midden, the pile of shucked shells and gnawed or butchered bones land-based archaeologists pick through for insights into the people that left it. And many of the artifacts off of Oahu are very well preserved.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Last night I was dreaming about sleeping on the floor. Don’t remember the context but it was peaceful.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Derelict: I know you’re being facetious but that’s exactly what the GOP is angling to do. They’re making arguments which essentially boil down to “Trump can’t obstruct justice by firing Comey”. They’re also arguing that Trump can’t be sued while in office for conduct which occurred prior to the election.

    He’s above the law.

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    rikyrah says:

    Glad to hear that you are okay, fire wise. Doctor on yourself and get better 😊

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Here’s one for the “Self-Awareness, Lack Thereof” file:

    Mein Gott, these fucking people…

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    NotMax says:


    Some pictures relating to the Ward and the mini sub.

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    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh
    Uh huh 😒

    He is part of the Russian business.
    After all , his business partners are RUSSIANS linked to PUTIN

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m in Glendale too but don’t worry about my safety!

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    Jeffro says:

    @Derelict: I know, right?

    If it’s “anti-Trump” to be “pro-rule-of-law”… what does that say about Trumpov?

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    @Steve in the ATL: (waves at “Steve in the GCAT”.)

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    Davebo says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Keep an eye out for Cougars!

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    @Betty Cracker: Right, what skills to they have exactly?

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    @Davebo: P22 or older Armenian women?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Your nym led me to believe you were in Atlanta. Stay safe!

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    @Betty Cracker: He’s here in town on bidness.

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    bemused says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Pedigree? Jesus these people.

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    rikyrah says:

    This guy is as rotten as the rest of Dolt45’s appointments. Cutting programs for homeless veterans 😠😠

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Where is Kay?
    I am sure that she has a comment about this.

    As for me


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    Quinerly says:

    Glitches back with posting from my Microsoft phone. Won’t let me edit or even backspace on comments. Only on this site. Apologies for disjointed comments. With that said, I was down for the count yesterday with this cold going around….did Trump’s word slurring get covered by the MSM. It’s obviously getting worse…especially with these longer speeches read from teleprompter. Caught a snippet on MJ a few minutes ago…they covered it and also said Trump has broken with tradition…no physical and report from Bethesda.

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    Trump has broken with tradition…no physical and report from Bethesda.

    We have no right to know about the physical heath or finances of Trump. Really boggles the minds this crew.

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    @Quinerly: Adam attributed the word slurring to a bad dental bridge. I just don’t know, but there was a fair bit of clicking and general confusion between Trump’s tongue and teeth in the Jerusalem speech yesterday.

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    Aleta says:

    @Betty Cracker: I swear she’s tailoring international money to create a new sluiceway of workers directly into her pedigreed sweatshops.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I thought “Steve in the ATL” meant you were in Atlanta. Stay safe too.

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    @Cheryl Rofer: Hell, I don’t have that kind of a problem and I have a tongue stud.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: Steve’s based in Atlanta, but travels the country keeping us safe from union thugs.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I live in Atlanta but I travel for work almost every week. In fact, I will be in St. Louis next week!

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    Quinerly says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Soulard meet up! Close to downtown! A stone’s throw from AB Brewery!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I don’t think we have ever known the physical health of POTUS. Yes they traditionally go to Bethesda, but I doubt they have ever shared any private medical info with the public. Just give a photo op and say “Of course he’s in great health.”

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    I doubt they have ever shared any private medical info with the public.

    Nope, here’s Obama’s last physical.

    ETA: The only thing we’ve heard about Trump’s physical condition is from his “doctor” during the campaign.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: There’s something deeply wrong. I’m not buying just a bad partial. And that sniffing, snorting, wheezing is back in full force. Did any of the nightly news programs mention it? Show that segment towards the end?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I will be in St. Louis next week!

    You poor poor child. What ever did you do to justify such punishment?

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    Aleta says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: (Maybe camera angle but …) It looked like Pence stood closer than ever, having crept up right behind Trump. As he worked on his adoring but concerned yet trustworthy last supper look.

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    @Quinerly: Carrie Fisher had it right, dude’s a heavy duty coke user.

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    aimai says:

    @Quinerly: I agree with someone else on these here internets–the sniffing is one of his “tells”–he starts doing it as soon as he starts lying and is worrying that he will be contradicted or called out. Since he’s under pressure all the time right now he sniffs constantly.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Comparing trump to Obama is sure to leave one disappointed. Even then I am skeptical that if Obama had a problem they would have put it out there for the GOP to pick up and run with.

    Obama’s Physician: “The President has a minor bladder infection for which we gave him a course of anti-biotics.


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    Steve in the ATL says:


    You poor poor child. What ever did you do to justify such punishment?

    Became a labor lawyer. Bad move.

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    Eric S. says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: are there fires I Missouri our is Ozark in Cali?

    ETA: I did the logical thing and clicked your link and got my answer. Stay safe, Ozark and other Juicers.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: You remember what the GOP and the press did when Obama would sneak a cig.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steve in the ATL: We need you here in Misery on a permanent basis! Who are you meeting with? (if I can ask)

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    clay says:

    Just saw a CNN headline: “GE cutting 12000 jobs”. So tired of winning!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Eric S.: We are in a drought and our fire danger just went yellow (level 3) but any fires we might have are dwarfed by what CA has on a regular basis. (was driving home the other night and the ridgeline I live on was lit up by a fire. Fortunately the fire was on the other side of my ridge, and big as it was never took off thru the forest)

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Yep, I certainly do.

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    @Cheryl Rofer:

    The American people need to know if our President is mentally fit to lead.

    We know the answer to that question, it’s no.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: The reason the fires take off here, is it’s dry and we get the Santa Ana winds(they can reach 60 to 80mph). The humidity outside the cave right now is at 18%.

    ETA: It’s gone down to 14%.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Not to mention all the fuel. Our humidity is presently 59%. We have a lot of fuel on the ground in the way of leaves and as dry as everything is it isn’t 18% humidity dry. That low humidity just sucks the moisture out of everything.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: We had a wet winter(for us) as well so there’s quite a bit of fuel out there to burn.

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    kindness says:

    This federalizing concealed weapons thing that Republicans are now pushing. We should use that same thing for abortion coverage. We should let everyone know we will now abide by Republican’s new ‘rules’.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That is the most I have ever watched of Trump since the last debate. Avoid him like the plague he is.

    I vote for ill-fitting dentures. His “esses” are off, far as I could tell. And his mouth looks so strange at the end. Like a Looney Tunes animation.

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    chopper says:


    it’s anxiety. trump is only comfortable talking about subjects that he understands, which are quite few. have him give a speech on something else or god forbid a debate with someone far more knowledgeable than him (which, to be fair, is most people) and he sniffs up a storm.

    (or it’s coke)

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    chopper says:


    I love how the WH explains it as a ‘dry throat’. yeah, needing a glass of water makes you slur your speech like a drunk. makes sense.

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    Betty Cracker says:

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    germy says:

    I don’t understand this:

    The symbolic $1 settlement that Taylor Swift sought from DJ David Mueller got even more petty. Mueller, who was ordered to pay Swift a symbolic $1 in damages for groping her at a photo op, paid her in one Sacagawea coin. According to the Associated Press, he “intended the coin featuring a prominent Native American woman as a final jab at the singer in a case her side called a win for all women.”

    He doesn’t make sense.

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    Quinerly says:

    @chopper: I just don’t see Trump lasting the entire term….Forget what Mueller turns up. Physically, mentally… he’s a sick puppy.

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    rikyrah says:


    As he worked on his adoring but concerned yet trustworthy last supper look.


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    germy says:

    New: MSNBC Reverses Decision To Fire Contributor Sam Seder. @ryangrim scoops— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) December 7, 2017

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: I hadn’t seen that, very funny.

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    rikyrah says:

    I’m not saying that Franken shouldn’t ULTIMATELY resign.
    But, right now?
    Over this bullshyt?
    BEFORE, he’s had his hearing before the Ethics Committee?
    The Democrats fall for this bullshyt
    AND, I’m sick of it!
    Pajama Boy has paid out 80k+
    Then, there’s the one who paid ouf 150k?
    The Dems fall for the Banana in the Tailpipe

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Betty Cracker: Would that be on C-SPAN? I would like to watch it live.

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    germy says:

    @rikyrah: See my comment #110. Gradually there’s some fighting back against the ratf*ckers.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: That’s a good sign, but if Al resigns, there’s no take-backs.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Plz explain this banana in the tailpipe business. Have seen a lot of comments with that term. Is it original to Balloon Juice?

    Also, #dueprocess for Al Franken

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    germy says:


    Plz explain this banana in the tailpipe business.

    Another term for basic, almost untraceable sabotage. Sometimes referred to as a potato in the tailpipe.

    Causes engine to misfire, confuses driver and mechanic. Difficult to diagnose.

    But in repubs’ case, R Stone goes on twitter the night before and crows “expect some engine trouble!”

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    MomSense says:


    Did you see Tom Arnold’s tweets last night about Tweeden?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @germy: Thank you.

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    danielx says:

    First snow that I’ve seen this season so far….here we go. Again.

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    NCSteve says:

    This thing where Republicans think only partisan Republicans should be allowed to investigate Democrats and only Republicans partisans should be allowed to investigate Republicans is weird. Why, it’s almost as if they believe there’s no such thing as integrity.

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    NCSteve says:

    This thing where Republicans think only partisan Republicans should be allowed to investigate Democrats and only Republicans partisans should be allowed to investigate Republicans is weird. Why, it’s almost as if they believe there’s no such thing as integrity.

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    danielx says:


    You’ve noticed.

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    chris says:

    This is very good. Black TV reporter in Atlanta responds to being called the n-word.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @WaterGirl: I assume so. Wouldn’t surprise me if the networks carried it live too.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    The hell is Ivanka trying to say–“we don’t need no fancy thinkin’ skills, we need people to push this here button”?

    Is the stick lady in the background DeVoss? She’s becoming Nancy Reagan before our eyes.

    90mph winds predicted for the SoCal fire zones, the weather service had to invent a new map color to display winds this high. Hard to envision how much that might enlarge current fires and start new ones. Our October experience up north was sobering. #ClimateSoWinning

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @trollhattan: I think that is DeVos. The idea that the Trumps and DeVos are telling folks they need “skills” instead of a “pedigree” just fried the fuck out of my irony-o-meter. Kee-rist on a crumpet!

    90 MPH winds would constitute an emergency in their own right, let alone driving a hell-storm. I feel sick for anyone in the path, person or beast.

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    LurkerNoLonger says:

    @Elizabelle: it’s from the movie Beverly Hills Cop. Axel sabatoges the two cops who are watching him by putting a banana in the tail pipe of their car.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Elizabelle: More specifically, and famously, was in the movie Beverly Hills Cop where Eddie Murphy’s character evades a couple of detectives by jamming bananas in their tailpipe so when they go to follow him their car stalls. He taunts them about it and eventually they wise up a little thanks to his antics.
    I think some here use it to say, “Stop falling for their same bullshit over and over, people!”

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    Corner Stone says:

    @rikyrah: Speaking of bananas and tailpipes, I saw this off Rick Wilson’s feed and thought it seemed right:

    Josh Jordan‏Verified account @NumbersMuncher
    16h16 hours ago

    GOP: Why should Moore step aside if Conyers remains?
    Dems: Ok, he’s gone.
    GOP: Yeah, but Franken is still in the Senate.
    Dems: He’s resigning.
    GOP: Hillary’s emails exonerate Roy Moore but she acid washed them!

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    @Betty Cracker: Did you see the curtains IT was wearing during her various photo-ops in India? So fugly.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I follow DeVos news and she’s just terrible with people- tone deaf, imperious, smug.

    She went to a vo-tech public high school the other day and used the visit to push private school vouchers.

    It’s just such shitty, petty behavior from an adult – she couldn’t spend 20 minutes with those kids w/out trashing public schools? The local paper interviewed the students after and they got this spunky girl who said her school was better than a private school – so there, mean rich lady! :)

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Kay: mean, rich WOMAN—she’s no lady!

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    Corner Stone says:

    And this from Joy’s twit feed:

    Jeff Zeleny‏Verified account @jeffzeleny
    1h1 hour ago

    Franken to deliver his speech on Senate floor at 11:45 am, a major stage for what is universally expected to be a farewell address. Some close supporters have urged him to stay, but Democratic senators want moral high ground if Moore arrives in Senate.

    WTF is this moral high ground they keep talking about? That is more confusing to me than bananas in tailpipes. Who awards this position of moral high ground? How do you claim it? How do you use it?
    This is the stupidest god damn thing.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Read this and then explain to me why she isn’t saying the exact same thing about Trump:

    Sen. Lisa Murkowski‏Verified account @lisamurkowski

    We’re seeing a culture of harassment & assault being exposed on a daily basis. Whether you are in the media, politics, or anywhere else abuse of power is unacceptable & shouldn’t be tolerated at any place at any level. Sen. Franken must know that & that’s why he must step down.

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    @Corner Stone:

    Democratic senators want moral high ground if Moore arrives in Senate.

    Won’t make a damned bit of difference, it’s a banana in the tailpipe all over again.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Corner Stone: Fuck Jeff Zeleny, late of Fuck the Fucking New York Times, and fuck the “moral high ground.”

    GOP fuckers would not even give Merrick Garland a hearing. One single solitary hearing.

    If you wanted to demoralize actual Democrats more, I don’t think you could accomplish more than insisting a terrific Senator on our side step down over accusations that he — squeezed someone’s hip during a photo? Excuse me?

    Fuck this fucking party if they pull that off. Don’t let them trash Al Franken. Have some hearings and grow a fucking spine.

    This has depressed me so much. May just have to go out for a few hours …

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    Elizabelle says:

    I think I may have to stop following politics. It is breaking my heart too much.

    Roger Stone, succeeding in taking out Al Franken? With Kristin Gillibrand in the lead? Fuck them. Fuck them. Fuck them.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Corner Stone: If you stand on the moral high ground, then you can get a latte at Starbuck’s for $4.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Corner Stone: Chuck Todd. He said Dems saw this as way to regain higher moral ground. As if Rethuglicans should even be viewed as having any moral standing at any time. Where is Vilago Delanda Est?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Gin & Tonic: What if I don’t like Starbucks? Then what can I do with my moral high ground?

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    Elizabelle says:

    I am ashamed to be a Democrat.

    Because. I have a spine.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I certainly hope everyone is ready to pucker up and give a big fat smooch to Roger Stone’s butt cheeks today at around 10:45AM CT.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Kathleen: Anyone who takes advice from Chuck Todd deserves to be pantsed.


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    Kay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    i got that from my sister – she’s not familiar with DeVos and she said ” who’s the mean rich lady?” when they rolled DeVos out.

    She’s a “truth teller” – she is mean herself – they recognize their own kind :)

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    Peale says:

    @Corner Stone: The moral high ground on a slippery slope. Jesus. Pick any sample size and you’re going to find ogglers, leeriers, petters, and worse. It is impossible to maintain this “moral high ground” institutionally because all it takes is 1 of the members to mess up and you’re back down in the pit again. Its not possible to avoid charges of hypocrisy when you’re dealing with a large number of human beings. And we’re doing this to ourselves because of Roy fucking Moore? Jesus. Lets just hand him all the power now to determine who the Senator is from Minnesota.

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    Aleta says:

    Why is Trump compelled to make that stop sign motion with the flat of his left hand, never stopping the whole time he speaks, except when he trades off with the right hand A-OK motion. Completely out of context to the words he’s reading. Total lack of confidence in his believe-abilty? Showing how big his hand is with fingers spread? It’s as though his motions aren’t integrated with the direction he’s trying to go. And this is a peak performance for him, as prepared and regal as they can make him.

    Steroids- pred ni sone — could make someone’s breathing labored. Or too much ale ve for pain. Or a reaction to lip i tor, or to the epilepsy meds that are used for stenosis pain. I’m going with snorting the ox- – – painkillers.

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    Wild Cat says:

    I’m in Communist Canada checking out Exile Possibilities, eating at the lovely Ontario Restaurant.
    I see the Democrats are going to turtle again with thought abstractions that died when the Pedophile in Chief was just being a tad fizzled when Marla was fucking the lifeguard instead of him.
    Adios Social Security. Adios.
    O Canada! Looks bleak up here too for the longrun, but the culture is actually sane.

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    Peale says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Roy Moore will get 1/2 a vote because of this high ground.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Corner Stone: Get an ethically-sourced vegan bran muffin at your local artisanal bakery?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: I still hold out hope that Al is smart enough to see the big picture and hang in there for the ethics investigation.

    In related news, why the hell did Tom Arnold wait until TODAY to make public that he knew Tweeden was coached for weeks by Roger Stone before she came forward.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Gin & Tonic: So the moral high ground is basically equivalent to a self-satisfied poop in the morning?

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    Chyron HR says:


    I still hold out hope that Al is smart enough to see the big picture and hang in there for the ethics investigation.

    And if he resigns I guess he’s a banana tailpipe slippery slopes spineless democrat.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl: Tom Arnold is kind of a wackjob, IMO, but in any event there is enough Roger Stone involvement to have me running for the moral high ground.

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    Emma says:

    I have spent yesterday and today at my father’s bedside in the hospital where he had a steel rod installed from his hip to his knee after a nasty fall that fractured his femur. I read the blog and got angrier and angrier. So here’s my modest proposal: whoever ends up being the Dem presidential candidate we have to vote for them. BUT we should direct $$ and direct involvement for local candidates. Concentrate on taking back the states at the local level.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Aleta: The one I like that connects to nothing he is saying is when he flattens his hand, palm down, and makes a diving half-circle motion with the right hand across his torso. Like he is stabbing his hand down and across in a diving motion. It never coincides with illustrating anything he’s saying.

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    Kay says:


    Total lack of confidence in his believe-abilty?

    That right there. It’s awful how people fall for the most crude play-acting. Makes you lose your faith in humanity.

    Dick Cheney had ‘manly-man asshole boss” down cold. He was really good at keeping his mouth shut and staring belligerently which ALWAYS elicited a nervous response from the person interviewing him, where they would then fill in the blank space he left with explanations of their own. I was waiting for someone to figure it out and just stare back, but spaces make people uncomfortable and they fill them. Trump and Cheney both drop their chins to make their voices lower, too. That’s when they’re commanding.

    Ugh. The whole practiced dance makes me sick. Just fucking TALK. Be a person.

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    Kay says:


    it’s funny to watch Trump with no sound because the flurry of incoherent hand motions ARE communication. He’s quite literally distracting people from his words. If it were a cartoon it would be a swirling cloud of dust in front of him.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @WaterGirl: I wish Al Franken would choose to stick it out and weather a thorough ethics committee investigation. These charges are curiously insubstantial.

    Disgusted with Kirsten Robespierre Gillibrand. You will find me, in the low, low gutter, with Al Franken. Who I think is a serious and good senator.

    How this is playing in Minnesota: Just looked in on the Star Tribune story. They’re speculating on who Dayton might choose to replace Franken. 3 comments up; 2 did not want him to resign.

    From the Twin Cities Pioneer Press: Minnesota prepares for Al Franken to resign, but will he?


    Meanwhile, the drip-drip of new accusers had a polarizing effect on his supporters.

    Many held firm that resignation wasn’t the course. A former press secretary took it upon herself to assemble statements of support for Franken from women, ranging from former aides to Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges. As of Sunday, Alexandra Fetissoff had tallied 136 women supporting him, including 36 former members of “Saturday Night Live” who worked with Franken during his stints on the NBC show dating back to its inception in 1975.

    Yet others felt not calling for him to resign risked creating a double standard as prominent men in power from Minnesota’s Capitol to Congress to entertainment were facing calls for resignation for offenses that ranged from similar to far more severe. Some have resigned — this week notably Michigan Rep. John Conyers, a Democrat.

    Gnawing at many Democrats: President Donald Trump, a Republican, has been accused of groping and caught on tape apparently boasting about it. And Trump has embraced the U.S. Senate campaign of Republican Roy Moore of Alabama, despite allegations from multiple women that Moore sexually abused them. Moore’s election is Tuesday.


    Nonetheless, having Franken’s Democratic colleagues abandon him Wednesday makes for a hard case to remain in office. …

    Readers’ comments are mixed, but a lot of support for Franken. A sample comment:

    Come on Kristen Gillibrand grow up and there is no equivalence. Franken’s a boor, his sin a misdemeanor punishable by a fine. Moore is a disturbed stalker and pedophile, his sin is a felony punishable by decades of imprisonment. Most women I know have had one or more unwanted Franken type experience in their life time. All had absolutely no problem informing the perpetrator to absolutely never try that again or there would be serious consequences. Everything in life, as in law is gradation, one size does not fit all. Franken deserved a hard and embarrassing lesson, which I’m sure he learned the not to ever be repeated hard lesson, he does not however deserve to have to resign his seat. Time for a second chance.

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    Corner Stone says:


    And we’re doing this to ourselves because of Roy fucking Moore?

    Well, tbf, Roy Moore and also Sen Gillbrand’s unbridled lust and ambition for higher office. Which is not a bad thing. As long as you don’t continuously keep stabbing D’s in the back for no fucking good reason, which she seems determined to do.
    Anyhoo, everyone keeps telling us how bad Roy Moore will be for the GOP. Yeah, right. He’ll vote R every time and in about point zero nanoloops out of time, all will be forgotten about his quirky little peccadilloes way, way back in his yoot.

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    WaterGirl says:

    CSPAN has the livestream ready to go on their front page, but it obviously hasn’t started yet.

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    WaterGirl says:


    Disgusted with Kirsten Robespierre Gillibrand.

    I’m with you. Totally disgusted. Looks like a play for power. If Al is really her friend as she says, a private conversation would have been more in order. I am furious and disgusted. Let this play out. Why the rush to shoot ourselves in the foot?

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    Kay says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I don’t think they or their voters care, but even if the child molestation is buried Moore is a nutjob who can’t shut up.

    He has some very strange views. They’ll be defending him once a month. The child molestation distracted from all the other reasons he’s completely unfit.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Kay: They won’t have to defend him even one time. For anything.

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    @WaterGirl: She is going to get Hillaried when she runs by the MSM and the bros. Moral high ground is going to leave her high and dry.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    Concentrate on taking back the states at the local level.

    Agree 1,000,000,000%.

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    Aleta says:

    I don’t want him to resign. He made the earliest attacks with sticking power on Limbaugh, O’Reilly, on the lies and the lying liars who tell them. Spent years and $ on Air America so he could attack Bush-Cheney and put down roots for running. He’s rare for a senator bc he always speaks out *and* he studies and thinks hard before he speaks. After he humiliated Sessions, they were not going to quit on destroying him.

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    Peale says:

    @WaterGirl: That it was reported that they are doing this because the women in the senate can’t work with him while he is under investigation is pretty damning to these women senators. Sorry, it is. They need to change the rules so that the accusations don’t leave resignation as the only solution. Resignations are final and thwart due process.

    Schumer now is toast if he’s so much as leered at a boob.

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    burnspbesq says:


    I’m not sure Patagonia has standing, but if they’re going to help pay for the litigation, great. I’ll be giving their stuff as Christmas gifts.

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    burnspbesq says:


    I have been a big Gillibrand fan for a number of years. Now reconsidering.

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