Well Now That’s Interesting, Isn’t It

I know I am setting myself up for disaster, but every time I read one of these stories I sit back and have a nice little daydream about watching Donald Trump’s stupid spawn being perpwalked in a prison jumpsuit:

Donald Trump Jr. asked a Russian lawyer at the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting whether she had evidence of illegal donations to the Clinton Foundation, the lawyer told the Senate Judiciary Committee in answers to written questions obtained exclusively by NBC News.

The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, told the committee that she didn’t have any such evidence, and that she believes Trump misunderstood the nature of the meeting after receiving emails from a music promoter promising incriminating information on Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent.

Once it became apparent that she did not have meaningful information about Clinton, Trump seemed to lose interest, Veselnitskaya said, and the meeting petered out.

The Trump campaign met with so many god damned Russians it’s hard to keep track of everything, but I believe this is the meeting they all lied about, then said was about adoption, then all denied it was about getting dirt on the Clintons despite the emails, then said they didn’t read the emails, and then Manafort and Kushner claimed they weren’t paying attention and just looking at their phones and know nothing.

At any rate, it seems pretty clear the only thing these clowns wanted to adopt was dirt on Hillary. Lock ’em all up.






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    Ianal but this sounds like solicitation of something valuable from a known foreigner

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    LurkerNoLonger says:

    Just a reminder: Don Jr. is the smart one.

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    dmsilev says:

    @LurkerNoLonger: Grading on a curve, are we?

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    Yarrow says:

    Putin’s throwing Donnie under the bus.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    At any rate, it seems pretty clear the only thing these clowns wanted to adopt was dirt on Hillary.

    Yup. And the Russians figured out that that was the best bait to catch as many Republicans in their net as possible. Not to mention all of the people on the American left who jumped at the exact same bait.

    As someone here keeps saying, an irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton is a very clear indicator of which side someone is on, and it ain’t the American side.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Yarrow: If I were Putin I would. Trump is a clear danger to global stability. He never should have been elected.

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    @Yarrow: I don’t see how somebody leaking the transcript of a senate testimony is Russia throwing Trump under the bus. It’s not like these are super secret emails or something.

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    NotMax says:

    Soon to come: “Russia? Is that even a real country?”

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    Ken says:

    @Yarrow: Donnie, or Donnie Jr? Because I’m sure Putin has a good idea of Trump Sr.’s psychology (I’m sure the Russians have a thick file), and I strongly suspect that file says that senior would dump junior in a heartbeat to protect himself.

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    LurkerNoLonger says:

    @dmsilev: The curve for white men is real. TM rikyrah.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    As someone here keeps saying, an irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton is a very clear indicator of which side someone is on, and it ain’t the American side.

    To be fair, some of those with irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton were simply misogynists rather than traitors.

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    kindness says:

    You know when the scrum gets really going Trump is going to just start flying with the Presidential pardons though. We will see that constitutional question addressed I expect.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @LurkerNoLonger: speaking as a white-ish man (are Jews white again this week? I’ve lost track), I wish I could be graded on the Trump family curve.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @dmsilev:

    The ones who are continuing to hang onto that hatred even now are traitors. They made their choice. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

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    geg6 says:

    @David Anderson:

    Yup. Sounds that way to me, too.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @David Anderson:
    Does anyone know if it matters legally if the POI actually got anything valuable from a foreign source?

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    Shana says:

    @Ken: I also suspect they knew that Jr. wasn’t very smart, maybe not Carter Page stupid, but dumb. And VERY desirous of keeping on Daddy’s good side.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Do we know how NBC obtained it? Such leaks lead to questions as to who leaked it and why. This one fits with a few other things that have happened that lead me to the conclusion that Putin is tiring of Trump and will do what he can to sow chaos here. Trump is merely a tool for Putin to use to that end. As for this being Senate testimony, some in the Senate are in positions to be…persuaded to do certain things, shall we say.

    @Ken: The President, not Jr. Although Junior will be collateral damage. Donald won’t protect Jr., as we all know and the Russians also know, but his namesake son being an idiot and a traitor isn’t a good look for him. Leads to chaos, which is Putin’s goal.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @B.B.A.: you’re not a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or comedy writer, so I’m having trouble believing the whole Jewish thing

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    geg6 says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    IANAL, but I would think solicitation of such contributions from a foreign actor is a crime. But what do I know. The only law I ever break is the one against cannabis, so I’m not only not an attorney, I’m not much of a criminal either.

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    @Yarrow:

    Do we know how NBC obtained it?

    Obviously not, but I’d say it’s equally likely to have come from domestic enemies, Democratic or even Republican.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I’m in the financial industry, which has got to count for something (besides an inevitable tumbrel ride)

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: As we know, those groups are not necessarily exempt from Russia’s manipulation, nor are they free of their own traitorous members. The person or persons who leaked it may have done it on their own or may have been influenced by something related to Russia. As I said above, it fits with a few other things that have left me with the impression that Putin has decided or is deciding that Trump isn’t as useful as he thought he might be and will and is throwing him under the bus. I think it’s going to get pretty bumpy here for a bit.

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    Mike Furlan says:

    John, what universe do you live in. In my world, Oliver North who sold arms to people the Republicans call terrorists is a Hero. Because he is a Republican. And IOKIYAR. Helped finance crimes up to and including genocide in Central America. Double Plus Good!. Got off because he received immunity for testifying to Congress. Think they forgot that trick?

    Anyone who conspired with the Russians to defeat the evil Hillary will be celebrated by 50% of the country for the rest of their lives.

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    JMG says:

    After a nice middle class career, I have inherited not wealth, but what the British call “comfortable.” My portfolio will gain very little from the Trump tax bill. In fact, I’ll lose money. I am already a Democrat, but I know my two Republican brothers are in the same boat, I’ll be interested in their response.

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    germy says:

    Whew!

    The point is clear: the #FBI is out of control and not just in the @realDonaldTrump investigation. An agency charged with enforcing the law clearly considers itself above the law. That's a threat to you, and every American, no matter who you voted for. #Tucker @FoxNews— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) December 5, 2017

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    Yarrow says:

    @germy: Republican Lives Matter!

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @germy: They’re a bunch of Snowflakes.

    He didn’t have a problem when the FBI was screwing over Clinton

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    Mary G says:

    Well, it’s Election 2017, so O/T, but sharing anyway because it made me chortle:

    We don’t need an outside agitator like Steve Bannon carpetbagging in Alabama.— Doug Jones (@GDouglasJones) December 6, 2017

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    cause Mr Goldplated crapper knows from class

    The HillVerified account
    Trump thought it was “low class” for Pence to bring pets to VP residence: report

    Molly Retweeted
    Tell that to the Queen of England when you see her at the royal wedding. Oh…wait. You’re probably not invited.

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    Nancy B says:

    1. Agree that Putin’s main goal is foment chaos. Lord Smallgloves is a perfect tool. (I have never written a better sentence.)

    B. I have 2 Trump fantasies. (I live in Illinois) I like thinking about Lord Smallgloves arriving at the federal hoosegow and being greeted by Rod Blagojevich and being reassured “The first haircut is really rough, but you’ll be OK. The second one is thinking about the look on Ivanka’s face when she realizes that Jared has rolled over on Daddy.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Trump Hotels is a pet friendly hotel collection that offers a variety of accommodations and services for guests to enjoy. The luxury dog friendly hotels will make sure your pets feel at home while you are traveling for work or pleasure.

    From the home page of Trump Hotels

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I don’t see how somebody leaking the transcript of a senate testimony is Russia throwing Trump under the bus. It’s not like these are super secret emails or something.

    Would you care to wager whether or not this leaked from a Russian-compromised Congress critter?

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    NotMax says:

    @Mary G

    Good on him. Using the word carpetbagging in Alabama isn’t a dog whistle so much as a dog bullhorn.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike Furlan:

    Anyone who conspired with the Russians to defeat the evil Hillary will be celebrated by 50% of the country for the rest of their lives.

    Lives can be unexpectedly cut short.

    Why North has not fallen down in a bathtub and drowned yet is more then I can say.

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    NotMax says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Actually a good ploy to keep the germophobe from ever popping in unexpectedly.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Steve in the ATL: You left out bankers, engineers, professors, programmers, social workers, bakers and con artists.

    {That’s just my family.}

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    @Yarrow: you can interpret anything that happens to or around trump as an action by Putin if you really want to, I guess. I won’t stop you.

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    chris says:

    @Mary G: Dave Weigel is at the Bannon-Moore rally. The crazy is right out in the open.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @FlyingToaster: that would have ruined the already-weak joke because he’s a programmer

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Dave Weigel‏ @daveweigel
    6m6 minutes ago

    Steve Bannon now attacking Mitt Romney for not serving in Vietnam. “You hid behind your religion. You went to France to be a missionary while guys were dying in rice paddies.”

    57 replies 42 retweets 63 likes

    Unlike brave Donald Drumpf.

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    Dave says:

    @NotMax: In this case what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Bannon is actually a hell of a useful goad to bring some people to the polls that might otherwise make it. I still think odds favor Moore but Jones could win and if he does I’m opening a bottle of champagne.

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    @Steve in the ATL: I see you recovered from your dinner with Ruckus.

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    J R in WV says:

    @dmsilev:

    No!

    If your hatred of Clinton causes you to perform irrational actions which harm America and assist Russia, then you are a traitor.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: that made me curious about Roy Moore’s service. That fucker went to West Point?

    Moore was admitted to the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, on the recommendation of outgoing Democratic U.S. Representative Albert Rains, and after confirmation of that nomination by incoming Republican Representative James D. Martin of Gadsden. He graduated in 1969 with a Bachelor of Science degree. With the Vietnam War underway, Moore served in several posts as a military police officer, including Fort Benning, Georgia, and Illesheim, Germany before being deployed to the Republic of Vietnam. Serving as the commander of 188th Military Police Company of the 504th Military Police Battalion,[22] Moore was perceived to be reckless, but very strict. He insisted his troops salute him on the battlefield, against his training, as such recognition facilitates an officer being targeted by an enemy.[23] Some of his soldiers gave him the derogatory nickname “Captain America”, due to his attitude toward discipline. This role earned him enemies, and in his autobiography he recalls sleeping on sandbags to avoid a grenade or bomb being tossed under his cot, as many of his men had threatened him with fragging.[21]

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    raven says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yea and he was a fucking MP Officer.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’m heavily medicated. Recovery will be a multi year process.

    But the smoke is lovely out here!

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    raven says:

    @Steve in the ATL: My peeps in the valley are crying the blues. Get down to the South Bay.

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    Jeffro says:

    It’ll all go down by Christmas at this rate – good

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    J R in WV says:

    @Dave:

    I’ve been kicking in to Dave Jones’ campaign weekly for quite some time now. I started with just a one time donation, and then another, and decided it was more time consuming that way and just clicked on the weekly button.

    I have a 1999 vintage champagne I intend to drink next Tuesday night, either in celebration or to drown my sorrow. We shall see which, won’t we?

    We have basically been on a live life to the fullest campaign since the last election was lost via manipulation. So lots of champagne and good food. Travel, too.

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    chelsea350 says:

    @Mike Furlan:

    And most of them will continue to be screwed by a party that treats them like dirt.

    Oh well.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    From the Palmer Report: Spicer is going to jail

    Lying to the public is not a violation of the law in and of itself. But, as this video clip) unearthed by Just Security reveals, on January 23rd, Spicer used his briefing to claim that Flynn had only called the Ambassador to wish him happy holidays. Now we know from McFarland’s emails that Spicer was already well aware of the true (and illegal) nature of Flynn’s phone calls. It means Spicer committed obstruction of justice by lying to the public in an attempt at throwing off Trump-Russia investigators.

    Keep in mind that Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his team have already interviewed Sean Spicer. It’s not known what Spicer said. But if he lied about the above matter, then he’s also committed the felony of lying to federal investigators. Now Spicer is looking at one, and maybe two, felony charges.

    Yup. He repeatedly lied about Flynn’s calls to Sergey Kislyak

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    @Steve in the ATL: Don’t ever say we didn’t light some fires to welcome you.

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    Ruckus says:

    I really don’t understand why everyone doesn’t seem to understand why all the Clinton bashing.
    Republicans have nothing. Not one thing that normal people want or need. The only way they can get people to vote for them is to get their hate on and lie. The have no actual comparison to the Democratic party in actual governing. Zero, zip, zilch. So they drum up hate and lies. Poor bastards, it’s all they’ve got. Hate and Lies. And now that they have shown that they are willing to lie, cheat and steal for their paymasters and have nothing else, it’s up to us to show exactly who they are. We won’t get the lost, the haters, the morons. But we will get some and that, along with what we already have may just be enough.

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    Mike Furlan says:

    @TenguPhule: Cut short? He is still a Hero. And we are not.

    His TV credits so far this year:

    The Samaritan (Documentary)
    Himself

    2009-2017 Hannity (TV Series)
    Himself / Himself – Fox News Military Analyst
    – Episode dated 11 August 2017 (2017) … Himself – Fox News Military Analyst (as Lt. Col. Oliver North)

    2017 America’s News Headquarters (TV Series)
    Himself – Fox News Military Analyst / Himself – Host, War Stories
    – Episode dated 5 July 2017 (2017) … Himself – Fox News Military Analyst (as Lt. Col. Oliver North)

    – Episode dated 8 April 2017 (2017) … Himself – Host, War Stories (as Lt. Col. Oliver North)

    2012-2017 Fox and Friends (TV Series)
    Himself / Himself – Fox News Military Analyst / Himself – Host, War Stories
    – Episode dated 29 May 2017 (2017) … Himself – Fox News Military Analyst (as Lt. Col. Oliver North)

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    Dave says:

    @J R in WV: The advantage of realism is that it allows perspective. It’s Alabama and the GOP is currently a dumpster fire so while a Moore win would suck it’s within expected and predictable suck we never assumed Jones had a shot and only Moore’s depravity has given him that chance so of Jones does win that’s all to the good.

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    Jeffro says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: The great thing is, this WHOLE CREW has/is/will lie to federal investigators. How do ‘innocent’ people do that? Truly, ’tis a mystery…

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    germy says:

    @J R in WV:

    We have basically been on a live life to the fullest campaign since the last election was lost via manipulation.

    Us, too. I fully expect any day now to be called before some tribunal or another, where my balloon-juice comments will be read back to me before I am placed in a cell. So I’m trying to enjoy myself while I can.

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    Mike Furlan says:

    @chelsea350: As long as the Republicans treat the rest of us as a lower form a dirt, the deplorables are happy to pull the “R” lever.

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    Ruckus says:

    @raven:
    I have a friend who have lost 2 homes, on the same lot, to fires. They had to evacuate this afternoon and might lose their home a third time. They told me a while back that if it burns again they are leaving the area.

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    raven says:

    @Ruckus: Ventura?

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    Mike Furlan says:

    @Dave: It is important to our corporate masters to demonstrate to us that they can get a child molester elected. As long as he will vote for a tax cut. Maybe there is a line, something about “live boy or a dead girl”, but I’m not sure.

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    germy says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    From the Palmer Report:

    Take everything Palmer says with a grain of salt, or he’ll break your heart.

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    @raven: Smoke is pretty much drifting to the Valley, Glendale’s not too bad.

    ETA: I had to drive to Pasadena to get a case for my new phone and could see the smoke drifting to the west.

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    @raven: There’s also a fire in the hills above the northeast San Fernando Valley.

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    danielx says:

    @Yarrow:

    Unlike Flynn, Lord Shortfingers is not going to go to any effort to keep his idiot spawn out of the slammer.

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    Ken says:

    @Ruckus: How did they even get insurance after the first fire?

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    Hungry Joe says:

    @Yarrow: Why no “Tick tock, motherfuckers”? I’m feeling deprived. Come on, man — do your job.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @LurkerNoLonger: It’s beginnng to look like his brother may be a bit smarter, as in knowing enough to keep a low profile.

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    Dave says:

    @Gelfling 545: Sometimes it’s wiser to be Beavis than Butthead.

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    raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: They are in Sherman Oaks and the pic they sent showed big smoke.

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    raven says:

    I just finished the last two episodes of “A Long Strange Trip” , the Dead Doc and Franken is quite the deadhead.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Dave: “I know where there’s a dead raccoon!”

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    Duane says:

    @Steve in the ATL: You didn’t need two kidneys anyway. Ruckus can use the money. Stop complaining, elitist.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Duane: Having two kidneys is elitist now?

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    frosty says:

    @NotMax:

    Using the word carpetbagging in Alabama isn’t a dog whistle so much as a dog bullhorn.

    As are the words “outside agitator”. Sheesh!

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    @raven: Yeah, they’d get it there*.

    @raven: So is Senator Pat Leahy.

    *We’re having pretty strong Santa Ana’s and they blow from the northeast. They’re getting the smoke from the fire in the northeast valley. The smoke from Ventura is blowing out to sea.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Hungry Joe: Didn’t think it applied in that case. Does here, though:

    Robert Mueller may not be through with Rick Gates, a deputy Trump campaign aide and one of the four people who have been charged as part of the special counsel probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

    In a court appearance Monday in Manhattan, Gates’ attorney Walter Mack said that federal prosecutors have told him that more charges, called superseding indictments, may be coming.

    “We don’t know what the government is going to do,” Mack said in court, referring to both Gates’ case and a white-collar case in New York involving one of Gates’ business partners. “I mean, in both cases we’ve been told that there may be a superseder. We don’t know what’s happening.”

    More charges? Superseding indictments? Tick tock, motherfuckers.

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    frosty says:

    @Ruckus:

    They told me a while back that if it burns again they are leaving the area.

    Seems reasonable. Aothough I think twice would be enough for me, and I wonder what the insurance rate was after the second one..

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    Duane says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: He’s made a contribution for the good of society. Involuntary, but still. I retract the elitist claim.

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    frosty says:

    @Yarrow:

    Tick tock, motherfuckers.

    Yay!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @raven: Bay Area (downtown SanFran) is week after next. Arbitration the kick off the Christmas season!

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    J R in WV says:

    We had some rain this afternoon. Not enough to put water in the tiny creek beside the house, but it soaked the leaf fall on the ground. We don’t get the kind of raging fires they have in the Rockies and out west here.

    Usually it’s a slow burning little fire in the leaves on the ground, bigger where there’s a downed dead tree or pines, but the oak forests don’t go crazy into the tree tops much. We do have forest fires, they are scary, I have fought them with garden tooks, rakes, shovels and hoes, pushing the burning leaves back into the burnt part so they can’t spread the fire further.

    We have a well and a pump, so we can fight a fire around the house with water if the electric stays on. That’s a big if, as the poles are dried and treated, inclined to burn if a good fire starts them.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    it’s almost as if phone calls and activism have some effect

    Richard Rubin‏Verified account
    California House Republicans are working to restore income-tax deduction in final tax bill

    meanwhile

    The Hill‏Verified account
    JUST IN: Pence is preparing for a possible interview with Mueller:

    “Mother, what did I say about Flynn?”

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Having two kidneys is elitist now?

    Well, when I was a lad (in Yorkshire), we kids were lucky to have one kidney. For all of us! I had to share it with me brothers and sisters — all eight of them! And we considered ourselves lucky, we did.

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    SFAW says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    on January 23rd, Spicer used his briefing to claim that Flynn had only called the Ambassador to wish him happy holidays.

    Well, we KNOW that was a lie — Flynn would have said the not-politically-correct “Merry Christmas!”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    There’s also a fire in the hills above the northeast San Fernando Valley.

    Hasn’t stopped any pr0n shoots, I trust?

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    J R in WV says:

    @J R in WV:

    I don’t have permission to edit my comment, so I’m adding this to say how sorry I am for your friends loss, and that I hope they were able to take their papers, photos, and pets to safety.

    Horrible to see footage of those wildfires raging through neighborhoods like that! Best of luck to them in the future!!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    JUST IN: Pence is preparing for a possible interview with Mueller:

    Yes, yes. How many are traitors? All of them, Katie.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Duane: I’m no one percenter—I’m now a fifty percenter with respect to kidneys.

    And the wind is crazy here right now. No one told to bring extra strength hair gel!

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    SFAW says:

    @Duane:

    He’s made a contribution for the good of society.

    Ruckus being able to have a friend for dinner, with a nice Chianti, is not what I’d call “for the good of society.” Well, unless you consider all the others who could have been Ruckus’s “guest of honor.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I am clearly missing something. You are now down one kidney? What happened?

    ETA: Never mind. I think I have caught up.

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    Hunter Gathers says:

    @SFAW: You and your siblings had a whole kidney to yourselves?
    Luxury.
    There were 150 of us who were the personal kidneys to an obscure Duke’s family.
    When we came home all we had to eat was a handful of cold poison.
    At night we all huddled together for warmth.
    We all gravitated toward Charles.
    He was the fattest.

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    SFAW says:

    @Yarrow:

    Yes, yes. How many are traitors? All of them, Katie.

    I keep hoping to see ZEGS’s name on that list, make it a trifecta.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SFAW:

    Ruckus being able to have a friend for dinner, with a nice Chianti, is not what I’d call “for the good of society.”

    And on top of that, I picked up the check for dinner!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFAW: I want him to burn. An embarrassment to both my state and my fraternity.

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    SFAW says:

    @Hunter Gathers:

    Well, when I said “shared,” it was not so much being able to use the kidney, as pass around a faded, ratty picture of one.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: As well you should.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SFAW: His time is coming.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Ah luvs me some superseding indictments.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFAW: You ‘ad picture? We ‘ad chalk drawing in the street. Lookin’ at it cost me young brother ‘ls life. Bus ‘it ‘im. Still, it was a good life.

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I want him to burn. An embarrassment to both my state and my fraternity.

    Seconded. Which frat?

    Re: the midterms: barring a ZEGS indictment, does Bryce have any kind of a chance? I realize it’s way early for predictions, but since I figure you know a boatload more than I about WI politics, I thought I should at least ask. [I’ve already sent his campaign some bucks, will do more as the election gets closer.]

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Still, it was a good life.

    Aye, ’twere that.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SFAW: tri-lambda

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFAW: DTD. I don’t know if Iron Stache has a chance; I am in the “Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please….” mode right now.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: You watch your ass.

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    SFAW says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    And on top of that, I picked up the check for dinner!

    Well, hell, if you’re buying, let me know the next time you’re in central MA. I promise not to remove any of your internal organs. Well, none that you will miss, at least. Well, not miss too much.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFAW: He is a management side labor lawyer. You could take his heart, and he wouldn’t notice.

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    Yarrow says:

    Speaking of kidneys, has efg checked in today? That comment a few days ago about a near death experience sounded serious.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFAW: PLP? I went to a small school with only six frats.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SFAW: if we go to Friendly’s, I’ll even buy you ice cream.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Yarrow: he was on the Israel thread earlier. He was cranky, so I assume he’s ok.

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I don’t know if Iron Stache has a chance; I am in the “Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please….” mode right now.

    Not quite at that stage yet, mainly due to all the other fucked-up-ed-ness of the last week or so, but I will be.

    I don’t remember — are you in Madison? I keep busting your stones about being in Green Bay, but my feeble brain says you don’t actually live there.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I went to a small school with 17 fraternities. Not much else to do in rural Virginia.

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Pi Lambda Phi

    ETA: We had something like 25 or 30 frats

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFAW: I am in Madison – physically. Green Bay is more of a spiritual home.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Thanks. Glad he’s okay.

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I am in Madison – physically. Green Bay is more of a spiritual home.

    Understood.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: @SFAW: My school had 1200 students when I was there. It has become huge 1500. About a third were Greeks. We did not have rush until January, so I ended up having friends in all the Greek orgs and among GDIs.

    @Steve: 17? Holy fuck.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    DTD

    One of their guys gave me a campus tour, then kept in touch and tried to get me to join after I ended up going. It, um, wasn’t a fit. By mid-point of my first year I was damn glad I’d avoided it.

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    randy khan says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I don’t see how somebody leaking the transcript of a senate testimony is Russia throwing Trump under the bus. It’s not like these are super secret emails or something.

    I think it’s the testimony that was Putin throwing Trump under the bus. The leak is incidental. (Also, the leak could have come from her.)

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    frosty says:

    @SFAW: Oh hell, you guys,,, I laughed until tears came out, What a hoot!

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    efgoldman says:

    @Yarrow:

    That comment a few days ago about a near death experience sounded serious.

    Semi. Damned sick and almost totally out of it.
    Obligatory

    Being housebound and and getting better is VERY time consuming. Less time for blogging/

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    Yarrow says:

    @efgoldman: It is very time consuming being sick and getting better. Hope you are improving.

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    frosty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: 1200 students? Huuugge. Mine had about 400, since doubled or tripled. 112 went into my class as freshmen, 55 made it out.

    (seems like there’s a Yorkshireman riff in here somewhere)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: My tour guide happened to be a Delt. It had nothing to do with my decision to pledge. Despite some national reputation stuff, most frats vary from school to school. Delts are the meathead jock frat at Stanford. At Northwestern, they are theater friendly.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @frosty: Where do you go?

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    frosty says:

    @efgoldman: My best wishes for your getting better too.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @frosty: mine was 1400 undergrads plus a law school, so I lose the “my School was smaller” contest.

    I KNEW I should have gone to Deep Springs College….

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    randy khan says:

    @Yarrow:

    efg commented on LGM this afternoon.

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    dmsilev says:

    @efgoldman:

    getting better is VERY time consuming.

    As the saying goes, it beats the alternative.

    Glad to hear you’re on the mend, however slowly.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Get your damned priorities straight.

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    randy khan says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    If Spicer lied to the FBI, they’ll indict him, but I really doubt that they would go after him for lying while press secretary. The press secretary has no power to direct investigations, among other things. Also, it would feel like an overreach to a lot of people, and I’m pretty sure Mueller is smart enough not to do that.

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    frosty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Harvey Mudd. Part of 5 colleges in Claremont with a few thousand students, including two (at the time) girls’ colleges across one street or another. Helped keep us same while they gave us a STEM education via firehose.

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    efgoldman says:

    @randy khan:

    efg commented on LGM this afternoon.

    He DID?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @frosty: I went to all boys schools from K-12. I highly recommend it for hormonal young people.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @frosty: FWIW, my college’s library has the same name.

    @Steve in the ATL: At this blog, you may get the Bronze. Oops, fourth at best. Another commenter here went to mine a few years before me. But damn it, we are an elite that the Tier 1 research school grads can’t really understand.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: smaller is better, though I haven’t been able to convince my wife of that….

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    I hope I didn’t miss a link to this, but this short essay Jeffrey Toobin in the New Yorker is required reading: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/michael-flynns-guilty-plea-sends-donald-trumps-lawyers-scrambling

    It is a rather sober appraisal of what Mueller’s real options are and it throws quite a bit of cold water on some of the more overheated speculation about what charges might be in store.

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    frosty says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Given that we were all math and science nerds … same basic effect.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I can tell you that the experience is … not for everyone.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I am divorced.

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    frosty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: The family apparently spread the $$ around. You don’t see too many libraries named Walton, Koch, or Mercer these days. Or even Gates or Buffett.

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    @Steve in the ATL: Most of that, eh, filming happens in the Hollywood Hills.

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    randy khan says:

    @efgoldman:

    That’s the rumor. It might even have been on a post I wrote. ;-)

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: did you go there or know someone who did? I remember hearing from them as a high school junior and thinking what the kids today would describe as “WTF?”

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    efgoldman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Steve in the ATL: My undergraduate institution

    currently has ~32,000 students.
    The state school daughter attended has 26.5
    She got her grad degree from my undergrad school.
    Our school also has the sixth highest undergrad cost, but I don’t know that its the sixth best education. I doubt it.

    Five or years yearsit really doesn’t matter.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I got a lot of offers from Milton College. 600 students. Folded during my (i think) sophomore year. Most famous for Seahawks QB Dave Krieg.

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    @frosty:

    Or even Gates or Buffett.

    Might want to look at UW at Seattle, lots of buildings named Gates. Mary Gates(Billy Three Sticks mom) was a UW regent.

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    Immanentize says:

    @frosty: Harvey Mudd — really excellent engineering school. My son is considering.applying….

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I was there many moons ago. Going in I thought it was a great idea. Now I do wonder WTF I was thinking.

    I had my heart set on the Air Force Academy but learned well into the application process I was color blind. I am now very, very glad I was disqualified.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: did you end up going to Liberty or Oral Roberts? I can never remember.

    @efgoldman: thought you went to the school of hard knocks—is it measured in opportunity cost?

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    @efgoldman: Mine had 20K undergrads and 10K grad students when I attended.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Given who I was as a high school senior, a small liberal arts school was a better place for me than a Ivy or public Ivy. I was barely 18 and a not very mature 18 when I started college. My LAC (and my fraternity) let me become a more sophisticated person en route to getting a degree.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: btw you locals are going to think I’m making this up, but I was walking down Brand Avenue this afternoon and…no shit…I saw a driver find an open parking space. I was so shocked I almost dropped my In and Out chocolate shake.

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    Ruckus says:

    @raven:
    Been away a while.
    Creek fire. North side San Fernando Valley. Used to live about a mile west of there. Talked to friend and he said they are packing and getting out, but that the wind had turned and was heading the opposite direction.
    Here’s the Cal Fire state wide fire map. Click on Creek fire.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: moi aussi. Wouldn’t trade that experience for anything. Not even for a second kidney.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Lawrence University.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: oh thanks I seriously thought you went to a bible school.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I had the scores to go “big”. but it would not have worked for me. Plus, I got to piss on Joe McCarthy’s grave.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Nope, reputable LAC.

    ETA: I was raised non-religious. Any Bible quotes will be KJV and from college courses.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Harvard big or Brown big?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Ken:
    They had total replacement insurance for the first fire. The fire was actually a good thing for them. The 94 earthquake destroyed their home and wouldn’t have been covered. But a neighbors house caught fire then roared through 5 more homes before the fire dept could get there and put it out. CA insurance commissioner declared that if a house had burned, wasn’t arson and they had fire insurance, the company had to pay. That helped quite a few folks. They couldn’t get full coverage again. So the had to take out a loan after the second fire. Understand he was still working and had about almost 30 yrs in with a great pension, so moving then was out. He’s retired now, may actually be older than EFG, I can never remember if my friend is 3 or 4 yrs older than me. So I’m not sure that they will actually leave but he seems ready.

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    frosty says:

    @Immanentize: Good luck to him! It was a bit of a shock being around all those smart kids. I definitely went from the top tier of HS class to the bottom tier of college.class. I suspect I was a diversity admission since I was from the Other Coast.

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    MCA1 says:

    @Nancy B: Those are good ones. I think my fondest wish is for Donnie Jr. to get caught up in Mueller’s net, then Two Scoops cuts him loose and in a patricidal rage born of spending his entire worthless life trying to please that miserable s.o.b., Jr. disseminates a virtual torrent of incriminating information on the orange fart cloud, exacting the ultimate revenge.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Brown, yep. Harvard as a stretch. Depends how many people applied from WI.

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    frosty says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I was so shocked I almost dropped my In and Out chocolate shake.

    The horror!!!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @frosty: honestly, i would have gone back and gotten another….

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Plus, I got to piss on Joe McCarthy’s grave.

    Now that is a story worth remembering I’d bet.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Ruckus: Not really. I pissed on Joe McCarthy’s grave. It isn’t far from the school. and it happens a lot.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Well you haven’t forgotten it.

    Besides someone has to do it.

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    SFAW says:

    @frosty:

    Harvey Mudd.

    The Star Trek episodes with him were generally good, although “I, Mudd” is much more quotable.

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    @Steve in the ATL: Dropping an In-n-Out shake is a felony in this state. You were 5 blocks away and didn’t say hi, I’m hurt.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I told you where I was going to be this week but you said your PO wouldn’t let you meet with me

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Actually, the only thing I’ve learned about Pense that makes me think better of him at all is the fact that he *does* have pets.

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