Thursday Morning Open Thread: When the Going Gets Weird…


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I, for one, welcome our new SkyNet overlords. Our current “leaders” are failing fast…



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Gosh, Ms. Haberman, you sound bitter! Maybe you can rewrite your ‘exclusive access’ Trump bio as a memoir: “Donald, Glenn, and Other Men Who I Let Lie to Me”…

Speaking of professional liars, anyone old/educated enough to remember the Watergate days should’ve known better than to trust a single word out of Roger Stone’s mouth:

Not the Onion:

President Trump’s longtime associate Roger Stone was in contact with a New York radio personality who had conversations with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange during the 2016 campaign season, according to sources familiar with the situation.

The radio host, Randy Credico, is the individual Stone referred to as an intermediary between him and Assange. Stone initially declined to reveal his name to the House Intelligence Committee because he said they had an “off-the-record” conversation, though he insisted there was nothing untoward about their conversation. Stone later did privately disclose the identity of the individual to the panel.

Credico received a subpoena this week to appear Dec. 15 before the House Intelligence Committee, something Credico’s attorney Martin Stolar says he “certainly” plans to comply with. Credico tweeted out a copy of the subpoena on Tuesday.

“He’s had conversations with Julian Assange,” Stolar said of Credico, noting that Assange and Stone both were guests on his radio program. Stolar said his client also had separate conversations with Assange, but he declined to confirm that Credico was the go-between identified by Stone.

Stone’s attorney declined to comment…

Some people say that foundational ratfvcker Roger Stone has survived this long by always knowing when to sell out his latest venal client. As Whitey Bulger discovered, sooner or later, the lawyers will block off all your bolt-holes…

Cherry on the shite sundae:

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    TS says:

    I can’t decide if it is my paranoia or truth – but brexit, trump and the loss of all relationships between the US and a number of European countries leads me to the conclusion that the breakup of Europe and the exit of the USA from Europe is all part of the Russian plan.

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    Baud says:

    he *genuinely doesn’t understand he is the president* 

    Maybe we can make that understand come true one day soon.

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    different-church-lady says:

    How smart could Watson actually be if they’re telling him to learn about the world from the internet?

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @TS: The Russian plan was to sow chaos and disunion everywhere they could and see where the chips fall. I really doubt they thought it would be this easy.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning! Enjoy your beverage of choice, I sure am! ☕☕☕

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    Baud says:

    @p.a.:
    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    @satby: Good morning.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Cooper’s missing the mark: he understands he is president. What he genuinely doesn’t understand is how the presidency works.

    At certain limited moments that’s the only silver lining.

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I really doubt they thought it would be this easy.

    Or that they’d have so many willing patsies.

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby:
    🍾🍾🍾🍾

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    TS says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I really doubt they thought it would be this easy

    They were probably more surprised than the western world when trump was elected. After that I think they realized how easy it would be going forward.

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    p.a. says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: tRump & Farage to Putin: “Hold our beer.”

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    satby says:

    @Baud: and to you as well!

    @OzarkHillbilly: MEH

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    satby says:

    @Immanentize: ok, I’m game, champagne after coffee.

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    germy says:

    Ms. Haberman seems unleashed lately.

    If she persists, will she lose her ‘exclusive access’ ?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @different-church-lady:
    The thing is, Watson did learn about the world from the Internet. Including some embarrassing things like any kid does, as any parent will know. That’s all perfectly normal. And why is a computer that knows how to drop F-bombs a bad thing?

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    Chyron HR says:

    So what exactly happens if the FBI does produce these documents and witnesses related to big stuff deep state surveillance of The Trumps NOW? “Yes, I bugged Mr. Trump’s meeting on July 9 and here is the tape of him saying…” “SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP! No more questions.”

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    MomSense says:

    Does anyone else feel like this is a perilous time? As the Mueller investigation tightens around the core actors, 45 gets more unhinged. He had a major malfunction during his speech yesterday on top of promoting hate speech on twitter. The GOP response is to rush their tax scam.

    Unsettling is not a full enough word to describe how this feels.

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    @satby: Diet Coke here, breakfast of champions.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    FIGURE ONE: Understand the procedure now? Just stop a few of their machines and radios and telephones and lawn mowers…throw them into darkness for a few hours and then you just sit back and watch the pattern.

    FIGURE TWO: And this pattern is always the same?

    FIGURE ONE: With few variations. They pick the most dangerous enemy they can find…and it’s themselves. And all we need do is sit back…and watch.

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    Peale says:

    @TS: Russia wants us out of Europe and doesn’t want an EU or NATO. China wants us out of Asia and would like our nearest naval bases to it to be somewhere east of Bermuda. Both wouldn’t mind if we were bogged down trying to remake Afghanistan and Iraq and Yemen for 20 more years. We seem to be honoring those requesrsZ

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    germy says:

    Reporter Says Trump Once Bragged ‘There’s Nothing in the World Like First-rate Pussy’

    While being profiled for Maximum Golf magazine in 2000, Trump reportedly pointed out a “young socialite” at Mar-a-Lago and told a reporter “there is nothing in the world like first-rate pussy.”

    Michael Corcoran, the journalist who wrote the piece, says the reason no one remembers the line is that the now-defunct magazine’s editor-in-chief changed the quote to “there is nothing in the world like first-rate talent.”

    Joe Bargmann, Corcoran’s editor at Maximum Golf, confirmed that account. “I was asked to change the last word of the story from ‘pussy.’ When I refused, my top editor changed the quote,” Bargmann told the Daily Beast.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Amir Khalid: Then why have a computer? Why not just have a kid?

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    MomSense says:

    @satby:

    It seems to have escalated.

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    Baud says:

    @different-church-lady: Stupid child protection laws.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    “I’ve picked up bits and snippets of this, but I want to ask you to share your reporting on the president’s adherence to a set of facts that are not at all related to the truth,”

    -Nicolle Wallace

    Her inability to understand that facts are the truth goes a long ways towards explaining her GWBush years.

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    satby says:

    They can’t hide that he’s losing it, and the GOP needs to rush their tax cuts through before the calls to do something about the dangerously mentally incompetent in the Oval office get too loud.
    Edited to add: even the craven GOP leaders who got on the Trump train didn’t expect him to publicly disintegrate this fast. They haven’t been able to do nearly what they want.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @different-church-lady: Kids are more expensive.

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    aarrgghh says:

    watson, in deep austrian tones: “fuck you, asshole.”

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    Woodrowfan says:

    China will also reap a windfall, maybe more than Russia….

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    Peale says:

    @different-church-lady: well, for one thing, when you’re trying to sell Watson to Fortune 500 businesses, it’s probably best that your pitch doesn’t include references to cum eating, sluts and an obscure, insulting words for minorities

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    gene108 says:

    The news is depressing.

    Makes me feel utterly powerless to prevent our destruction.

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    Feathers says:

    @different-church-lady: This is why the term in the field is no longer artificial intelligence, but machine learning. The is no “intelligence” involved, only a computer fed an algorithm and then lots and lots of data. How much “intelligence” comes out depends on the applicability of the algorithm to the situation and how well the data sets match the real world situation.

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    germy says:

    @satby:

    even the craven GOP leaders who got on the Trump train didn’t expect him to publicly disintegrate this fast.

    I’m sure they thought “Well, he has all that TV experience; he’s slick. Maybe he’ll be a good actor like reagan was.”

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    bystander says:

    The entire Moanin’ Joe is given to discussing how insane twitler is and how craven the repub party is. Guess the Lori Klaustis thing pushed Joe over the edge.

    Ari Melber had the guy who ghost wrote Art of the Deal with twitler. He said twitler appears to be “de compensating” and separating from reality. He observed twitler has seriously deteriorated.

    ETA Joe is wondering why have a 25th Amendment if you don’t use it.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Baud: Have you ever been around an eleven year old? They’re very eager to tell you everything they know. Just reroute the questions to a different sixth-grade playground each day and they’ll do it completely willingly for free.

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    satby says:

    @Feathers: huh, so they developed a multi-million dollar machine with Tourette syndrome.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Feathers: I just find it amusing that they’re going through all this trouble to make a machine as dumb and vulgar as a human.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @different-church-lady:
    For one thing, most people already know how to make a kid.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Peale: Why not? From what we’ve been finding out lately, it would likely match the mindsets of a lot of Fortune 500 execs.

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    satby says:

    @bystander: drip, drip, drip. Enough media types talking like this and the Republicans start to worry.
    Another edit: worried that the con will be exposed, not for the nation with a lunatic as president. It’s all about keeping the con hidden.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Amir Khalid: That’s kind of my point.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @satby: Do people on a suicide mission ever really worry about the news?

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    MomSense says:

    @Peale:

    Hahahahaha! I remember when I got the call from the teacher that some of the kids had started a swear club at school. They were sharing the words they had picked up from older siblings and parents but they got some of the words and gestures wrong. God I loved that teacher for showing them the correct finger before explaining why those words weren’t appropriate at school.

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    satby says:

    @different-church-lady: see, I don’t think they believe they’re on a suicide mission. The frightening thing is many of them believe their own bullshit. And the rest of them think they’ll have enough money and rich friends to buy their way out of trouble and have a happy landing.

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    bystander says:

    Meeka has finally hit on an area of real expertise: sex happens in the workplace and it’s not all bad. Listening to Joe and Meeka sneering about sexual harassment, I always have to wonder why nobody asks how their affair when they broke up both their families affected the people in their workplace.

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense:

    God I loved that teacher for showing them the correct finger before explaining why those words weren’t appropriate at school.

    Haha. No Child Left Behind done right.

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    satby says:

    @bystander: “other people”? You think they actually realize other people are around and might matter?
    Pull the other one.

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    MomSense says:

    @gene108:

    Sending a big hug to you this morning.
    Hey let’s all do a random act of kindness today if we can and then see how it makes us feel. We can share it later today if we feel comfortable doing so.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @MomSense:

    God I loved that teacher for showing them the correct finger…

    The urges of a pedagog cannot be tamed.

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    Kay says:

    How does Haberman know “people around him constantly tell him don’t do these things”?

    Don’t reporters ordinarily say “I am told..” or “people around him say they tell him not to do these things..”?

    What’s odd about her is how she speaks as if she’s a co-worker. The NYTimes acceptance of what the Trump Administration tells them is flat-out bizarre. It would be weird with any politician but it’s insane with this pack of liars.

    It is completely within reason to think people around Trump agree with Trump on the anti-Muslim Tweets. All we really know about Kelly is what he says publicly- he went out of his way to lie about that congresswoman- he added an elaborate lie to speech specifically to smear her. The whole rest of the Kelly mythology is second-hand accounts passed along by people who are self-interested, people who have an interest in telling reporters Kelly isn’t a racist nut job. The public evidence indicates Kelly IS a lying nut job.

    When do the Trump Administration hires themselves have to publicly prove any of these stories they tell about themselves. DO or SAY something themselves to show they are better than the man they work for? Why should I accept this narrative they promote? I think they accept Trump’s casual, daily racism and nastiness because that is all I see. The rest is what they say about themselves.

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    Don’t forget the Republican Congress is out to destroy the middle class, education, and a few other things in the service of their overlords.

    BURN UP THOSE PHONELINES

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    Baud says:

    GMA says Roy Moore is planning to go church to church in Alabama to win the election.

    Makes sense.

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    Teacher of the millennia for sure!

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    For your viewing pleasure(I posted a link on a late night thread), a time lapse of last night’s sunset here in LA.

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    bystander says:

    @satby: I hope you’re right. To date, the repubs have been able to rely on the blind obedience of their cult so long as they feed them enough racism. They’re just about to rape their cult’s collective wallet just to give money to billionaires and they’re ok with it.

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    MomSense says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Ha! Glad I read that sentence carefully what with the news these days.

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    Baud says:

    I wonder why Harry and Meghan don’t want Trump at their wedding.

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    Baud says:

    GMA is strong this morning so far.

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    MJS says:

    I’d prefer if Trump were decomposing, but I guess decompensating will do for now. I also like to think that Melania may be on our side, and the nightmarish hellscape that she’s passing off as holiday decorating is really just a way to hasten his complete breakdown.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Kay:

    The whole rest of the Kelly mythology is second-hand accounts passed along by people who are self-interested, people who have an interest in telling reporters Kelly isn’t a racist nut job.

    And maybe driven by a desperate psychological need to believe that someone is minding the toddler.

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    bystander says:

    I preferred Joe and Meeka when they were played by Don Ameche and Frances Langford.

    Meeka just held forth about women who have sex with the boss to get ahead. No, really, she just talked about how she couldn’t compete with that. Meeka, sitting next to the boss she had an affair with.

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    aimai says:

    @Kay: You’ve put your finger on what was so weird about that haberman interview–she sounds like an old girlfriend, or a co-worker.

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    MJS says:

    @Baud: I generally don’t pay any attention to the royal family, but God I hope that Obama gets an invite but Trump does not. Better yet, the Obamas and the Clintons get invitations.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @MJS: Occam’s Razor says it’s just shitty taste.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @MomSense:

    God I loved that teacher for showing them the correct finger before explaining why those words weren’t appropriate at school.

    Ancient NYC variations:

    – Three middle fingers: Read between the lines!

    – Four fingers: Treat the whole family!

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    debbie says:

    I can’t be the only one who’s willing to let a computer taking on my swearing for me.

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    JPL says:

    @bystander: The irony of that statement.. hahahaha

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    Lapassionara says:

    @gene108: I have started considering back up plans for when communications become difficult if not impossible. Our children live in other cities, and I worry that I will not be able to reach them. I lived through the civil rights and anti-war movements, and we were able to mobilize people for marches and protests by way of land lines and the existing media. I think we all need a plan for communicating when the internet no longer functions the way it does now.

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    Baud says:

    @bystander: When is Joe going to address Trump’s accusation about the dead intern?

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    gene108 says:

    @different-church-lady:

    I just find it amusing that they’re going through all this trouble to make a machine as dumb and vulgar as a human.

    Better than making SkyeNet to enslave us all.

    I hate to think what’s would happen, if Watson was fused with the Echo Dot and all of a sudden they coordinated with your smart-fridge, smart-toaster, internet based home security system you control from your smart phone, your smart phone, etc. and set all those devices against you.

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    Kay says:

    You have to credit the Trump Administration for not just spreading their lying, mean-spirited bullshit in or about THIS country- they also spread nastiness internationally. They are really ambitious assholes. Over-achievers on the asshole scale. Ordinary asshole Presidents limit their racist fear-mongering to “the water’s edge”- not this crowd. They have to gin up their compatriots overseas, too. Pure poison. Trump’s tweets consist of 2 subjects- attacking other people and boasting about himself. Still, political media search for some silver lining, some “grown up” who is REALLY running the government when all the public statements of all the low quality Trump hires indicate what a rational person would have started with- they’re assholes too. It’s WHY he hired them.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Lapassionara: It’s weird how much of our society is starting to resemble the dystopian novels of the 50s.

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    Baud says:

    @MJS: Yes. That would make my day.

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    Kathleen says:

    Maggie should title her memoir “A HandMag’s Tale” by OfTrump.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Kay:

    Still, political media search for some silver lining, some “grown up” who is REALLY running the government…

    Thus, like I said, the myth of Kelly.

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    satby says:

    @bystander: their cult is not ok with it, but I hear over and over the statement that the GOP won’t really do it. Not to them, the deserving folks, just to the undeserving moochers and looters. Until they feel the knife in their own backs, they’ll believe the GOP won’t really do anything that hurts them.

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    debbie says:

    NPR’s David Green got schooled by Wisconsin’s Gwen Moore in this interview about sexual harassment just now.

    I must say it was good to hear him give her the time to respond without interruption and then to apologize.

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    Baud says:

    @gene108: Sometimes I blame Bill Clinton for fixing Y2K.

    But that’s mostly because it’s hip to blame Bill Clinton for things.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @gene108: The Monsters really are due on Maple Street.

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    Brachiator says:

    So, if the president is having a breakdown, but signs the tax bill, should it be allowed to become law? Can responsible parties deliberately delay applying the 25th Amendment until it is convenient for them?

    Not that there’s a Constitutional crisis or something.

    I was away from the internet and news last night, and missed Trump telling the UK prime minister where to get off.

    And now, Haberman confirms that Trump is getting agitated about… something. And so his tweets get wilder.

    What a day.

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    Kay says:

    @aimai:

    The insistence that what she is told is “the real truth” and what other people SEE publicly is a “myth” is really strange. “People think” these things because that’s what’s happening. She has this backwards. Her “insider” truth is the story. THAT’S what should be questioned. What we SEE and HEAR is just fact- the public record.

    No one does this. Advocates don’t even do this. An advocate would say “they tell me…” – that small distance is always there- she’s positioning herself as one of them- in the room when Trump is supposedly handled.

    It’s bizarre to say “don’t believe the public record- believe what they tell me”. WTF? Why?

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    satby says:

    @different-church-lady: context matters. It’s a cool hallway for somewhere else and for a different occasion, but it’s hugely fugly for Christmas at the White House.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    Joshua: Hey! Assh**e. Would you like to play a motherf****g game?

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    Kathleen says:

    @satby: I blame spineless Dems.

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    More like that while everyone thought they’d back off after the interference, Russia’s instead doubled down.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @debbie: The day I need a computer to do my swearing for me is the day I’m dead.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @different-church-lady: I keep seeing scenes from “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” in my head.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Brachiator: Some day, the world will once again be normal.

    Or over. But even now the odds are still on normal.

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    gene108 says:

    @MomSense:

    Sending a big hug to you this morning.
    Hey let’s all do a random act of kindness today if we can and then see how it makes us feel. We can share it later today if we feel comfortable doing so.

    Thanks. That’s a good idea.

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    debbie says:

    @MomSense:

    I agree. I compared Trump to a spinning quasar last night. I’m still right. I’m convinced Trump’s entire day is spent watching tv, tweeting, and plotting how to get back at his critics. There’s no time left for governing, and while that may be a good thing, it’s still wrong.

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    gene108 says:

    @Baud:

    I blame Bill Clinton for balancing the budget, and making us feel the country was going in the right direction.

    It didn’t prepare us for the nihilism of Republican rule.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    I was told that is fake news.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @MJS:
    Harry’s already said Trump isn’t welcome at the wedding. Given how friendly he is with Barack, and how much his grandmother took to Michelle, it’s pretty much nailed-on that the Obamas will be there.

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    Kay says:

    @different-church-lady:

    All we really know about Kelly is he went out on his own volition and told an elaborate (and completely unnecessary – he could have given that speech without the smear) LIE to protect his boss. The rest is the ordinary puffed-up biography and story telling of self-interested co-workers promoting powerful people. We’re not WRONG to think he’s a lying racist. That’s the public record. At any time he can rebut that but it has to be HIM. It’s nuts to put this on us. It’s not my job to divine some better intent to his words.

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    Baud says:

    @different-church-lady: I nominate you to be the 50 Foot Woman.

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    NotMax says:

    Keyboards of the future will have to incorporate a spot for a “time out” key.

    In other news, the ultimate Lorena Bobbitt?

    :)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @different-church-lady: Define “normal”.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Baud: Can we just start with eight feet and see how it goes?

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: If people didn’t trust the NYT over their own lying eyes, Hillary might be president right now. You wouldn’t want that, would you?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    I really hate long-form Twitter rants (looking at you, Tom Levenson) but in this one, Douchehat actually raises some interesting points, and even shows some self-awareness.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: President Baud!

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    germy says:

    @Amir Khalid: Also dolt45 made comments about Harry’s mother on Howard Stern. About three years after Harry’s mother was killed.

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    Baud says:

    @germy: I didn’t know about that.

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    germy says:

    @Baud: Said he totally would have banged her, but would have insisted on an AIDS test first.

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    TS says:

    @MJS: Very much doubt the Clintons – but the Obamas – 100%. I gather his bride to be said she was going to move to Canada if trump was elected – so that seems an unlikely invite – especially after the recent spat with Theresa May.

    Edit Amir was there before me

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    Elizabelle says:

    Good morning, all. Very brief snow shower today in Wiesbaden, a few hours ago. Very pretty. Didn’t stick.

    We have to stop this tax cut thievery. I think we can. Maybe the Freedom Caucus yokels will think it isn’t destructive enough, maybe we can call GOP “moderate” senators to ask if they want to be attached to this flimflammery and greed at the cost of the middle class? Money doesn’t vote for them, people do. As politicians, they may realize that. Money only goes so far.

    The vast majority of Americans did not vote for this, and they don’t like it. It’s a tax on the future. It’s a Brexit-level debacle for all of us (except the wealthy).

    I see that the NY Times is finally screaming about the tax cut’s dangers, full strength.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Kay:

    What’s odd about her is how she speaks as if she’s a co-worker.

    Dig deep enough and they have the same owners.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I see that der Scheißgibbon is now Twitter-fighting Theresa May. I am unsurprised by this, and so are you.

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    VOR says:

    @Woodrowfan: Last year Microsoft had a chatbot named “Tay”. Unfortunately, the Internet trained Tay’s machine learning algorithms and Tay descended into racist language and profanity. Tay also seemed to echo the MRA types and Gamergate.

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    bystander says:

    @Baud: Meeka read a statement of the we won’t dignify the accusation variety IIRC.

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    rikyrah says:

    Roger Stone lying?
    No!!
    PHUCK OUTTA HERE 😠 with that bullshyt.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @VOR:

    Tay also seemed to echo the MRA types and Gamergate.

    Just like the election.

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    dr. bloor says:

    Please shoot me: This limited edition Trump 45 gun finished in 24 karat gold is on sale for between $15,000 and $50,000

    So, apparently Herr Twitler has opted to use cyanide during his inevitable moment in the bunker?

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    Kay says:

    Meth is back in a big way so Trump did nothing about the opiate problem and now it won’t matter, because the next big story will be meth is back. Just to cling to reality, though. Trump (and the incredibly over-promoted Chris Christie) got absolutely nothing done on opiates.

    Sessions big contribution was to ramp up arrests of addicts. He’s got some ridiculous federal task force up and running to arrest people who are nodding out in convenience store rest rooms. Christ- I could bust up that drug cartel. They’re passed out on the toilet. Just give me the key to the rest room. I don’t need an AR-15. They’ll follow anyone anywhere.

    On time and under budget, baby! These big, loud braggers talk a good game, don’t they? They don’t do JACK SHIT. Because they’re incompetent, over-promoted low quality hires. When you strip away all the myth-making their actual work record sucks. Chris Christie destroyed that state he ran. It’s a mess, which shouldn’t surprise anyone- he had little or no experience running ANYTHING. He’s an over – promoted lawyer and political hack. Yet- the myth continues.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: What does any of that have to do with Al Franken?

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    Just one more canuck says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: my plan for when I’m buried is to have a recording of me swearing that plays whenever someone steps on a sensor

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    MomSense says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    NY has world class swearers!

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    aimai says:

    @Kay: Kay, is that you? You seem to have become self aware like watson and started swearing, which in all these years I don’t remember you doing! Trump is definitely having some kind of vortex like effect on all of us.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: The NEW normal!

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    Scientists had to delete Urban Dictionary’s data from the memory of IBM’s Watson, because it was learning to swear in its answers.

    Ironically, they plugged Trump into the internet and he promptly forgot how to imitate a human being.

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    Note that, true to form, at first Dolt 45 spewed bile at the wrong person.

    Online archives of Trump’s tweets show the president tweeted Wednesday night to a Twitter user with the handle @theresamay. That user is identified as a woman with a different last name who only has six followers. Source

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    Starfish says:

    @aimai: I find a lot of really great people have gotten really upset over this.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    It’s always fun to drive into a neighborhood where you have a home visit and see people going by carrying blow torches..

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    bystander says:

    @Baud: Ooops. They just reran the response. They accuse twitler of using fake news to attack the free press. But no factual rebuttal, which makes sense to me, given the actual decision of the factfinder. Also Joe notes that using Klaustis’s death as a weapon to attack the press is hurtful to her family, which I also agree with.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Just one more canuck: I am sooooo gonna steal that, tho I think I might modify it to an electric eye that trips on a recording whenever someone walks in front of my grave.

    “HEY! Get the fuck outa of my dogdamned sunlight!”

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    Jack the Second says:

    @bystander:

    Meeka has finally hit on an area of real expertise: sex happens in the workplace and it’s not all bad.

    So here’s a pet peeve of mine. Yes, co-workers (or co-employees, if co-workers is too limiting of a descriptor) can be in a relationship, serious or casual, and it can be totally fine. The relationship or the sex isn’t really the problem.

    Where everything goes off the rails is starting or stopping a relationship with a co-worker. Just focusing on the most innocuous part: asking out a co-worker in a friendly, non-threatening way. “Hey,” you finally get up the courage to ask, “want to go see a movie or grab a cup of coffee sometime?” Congratulations! You have now, potentially, added to the pile of stress accumulating on your coworker! If they turn you down, are you going to get weird on them? If they think they might maybe-sort-of like you and go on a few dates and then break things off, then will you get weird on them? How many times have they been asked out by other coworkers already? How big is that pile of stress you’re adding to?

    You can’t know; all you know about your coworkers, really, is that they need a job. If you’re a mensch, you already know not to hit on waitstaff, because they’re only their because it’s their job, and your coworkers are in the same position.

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    rikyrah says:

    @MomSense:
    They know that he is incompetent. They don’t care. They are equally traitors to this country for putting us through this , so that they can get tax cuts.

    Where is our fellow BJ poster, who had the right idea:

    ” Wipe them out. All of them.”

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    Morning, Kay. How about this DeWine-Husted tag team? I can’t stop laughing, thinking Husted would take a second seat to anyone!

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    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Would like the following carved, using the smallest possible letters;

    If you can read this, you're standing on my head.

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    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    I hope he is busy assembling tumbrels.

    The GOP is the party of Traitors.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: There’s not a damn thing this bunch won’t make worse before they’re voted or driven out of office. Look at this North Korea thing. Trump was blustering about that from the sidelines a few weeks before he was sworn in:

    CNN yesterday: “US Defense Secretary James Mattis said earlier the missile launched demonstrated North Korea had the ability to hit “everywhere in the world.”

    I’m confident the idiots will manage to ruin a fairly stable economy before we’re rid of them. It’s part of the Obama legacy, after all.

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    Jeffro says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The Russian plan was to sow chaos and disunion everywhere they could and see where the chips fall. I really doubt they thought it would be this easy.

    When Trumpov lost his shit going after the Khans – a Gold Star family – even Putin thought that was it, game over, no American would countenance that kind of behavior. Oh-ho-HO, Vlad! Wrong-O!

    Speaking of countenancing crazy shit, here’s the online version of the garbage Fox brainwashes its moronic viewers with every day – did y’all know that Bobby Three Sticks is ENDANGERING LIVES with his stoopid investigation?

    A direct conflict between the U.S. and Russia is a daily threat.

    Two months ago, the Pentagon accused Russia of dropping bombs dangerously close to American special operations forces in eastern Syria. The U.S. issued a stern warning. In response, Russia threatened to retaliate if its troops came under fire by the U.S.

    The two nations use a “de-confliction” hotline every day to share information about their operations in Syria, as military officers seek to avoid a mistake or miscalculation that could ignite a full-scale war between them.

    Such a conflict is something neither side may want, but its two leaders may be powerless to prevent it. Why? Because of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s continuing investigation.

    The longer the special counsel’s case drags on, the less likely it will be that President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin can sit down together* in earnest to discuss key issues. These issues include diffusing the increasingly dangerous encounters in Syria, plus a myriad of other contentious topics that imperil American-Russian relations.

    Among those who are deeply concerned is Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet Union. He recently described U.S.-Russia relations as having deteriorated into a “severe crisis,” warning that the nuclear arms control treaty that ended the Cold War is teetering on the precipice of collapse. Each side accuses the other of violating the terms of the treaty.

    Writing in a Russian government newspaper, the former Soviet leader offered a dire prediction: “If the system of curbing nuclear arms crumbles, and that is exactly what the collapse of the INF (Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces) treaty can lead to, the consequences will be catastrophic.”

    Gorbachev urged Presidents Trump and Putin to hold a summit meet to address the alarming nuclear issue, calling it “totally abnormal” that such a meeting has yet to take place.

    A summit meeting has not happened because there is legitimate concern in the White House that any friendly or conciliatory overture by President Trump toward Putin will surely be met by a hostile media. The media are predisposed to exploit any U.S.-Russian improvement in relations as incriminating evidence of Trump-Russia “collusion” which, however mistakenly, is a subject of Mueller’s investigation.

    With no end in sight, the probe will linger as a critical impediment to warmer relations and a better mutual understanding that could avert the kind of cataclysmic conflict Gorbachev envisions and fears. Time is of the essence, and the clock is ticking.

    During the 2016 election, and well before President Trump was ever accused of conspiring with Putin to influence the election, candidate Trump called for warmer relations with the Russian leader. At one campaign rally he asked: “If we could get along with Russia, wouldn’t that be a good thing, instead of a bad thing?”

    Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton predictably derided her opponent for embracing Putin, forgetting that she infamously presented a “reset button” to Russia while she was secretary of state and then failed** to deliver on her promise. Hypocrisy has always been her strong suit.

    Other than brief meetings on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Germany in July and again during the more recent Pacific-Asia Economic Cooperation summit in Vietnam, Trump and Putin have had little direct contact. There have been a few phone calls, but nothing of any substance.

    In August, Congress escalated tensions when it passed a sweeping package of sanctions against Russia for its election meddling, further alienating Putin***.

    The Russian leader immediately retaliated by ordering the U.S. to cut 755 people from the staff at its embassy in Moscow and at three consulates in other cities. That left a total staff of 455.

    The reprisal prompted President Trump to observe: “Our relationship with Russia is at an all-time and very dangerous low. You can thank Congress.”

    The diplomatic chill, dissension and concomitant danger will likely endure, as long as Mueller’s investigation languishes.

    President Trump has reportedly received reassurance from White House lawyer Ty Cobb that the investigation will be finished by the end of the year. This is overly optimistic, notwithstanding a dearth of evidence that Trump ever conspired with Russia.

    The Senate Intelligence Committee spent 10 months investigating alleged “collusion” and came up with no evidence whatsoever. Senior Obama administration intelligence officials who were privy to the investigations by the FBI, CIA and NSA are on record as saying they, too, saw no such evidence when they were in office.

    Unless the special counsel accelerates the conclusion of his investigation, or otherwise reveals that there is no evidence of campaign “collusion” with Russia, relations between the two great nuclear powers could degrade to such a degree that armed conflict may become a frightening inevitability.

    To put it plainly, Mueller’s investigation may be jeopardizing American lives. It is imperative that the probe be brought to a speedy conclusion.

    * yes…we clearly need more of Trumpov and Putin “sitting down together”…like when smitten teen Donnie chased Vlad all around that G-20 summit table
    ** yes…clearly it was Hillary that failed on the reset, Vlad was doing his part for world peace x eleventy
    *** yes…it was Congress that escalated things, which alienated Putin

    I mean, is that unbelievable or what? And yet, that’s The Bubble, all day every day…

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    germy says:

    Hmmm, Marco Rubio says that the tax plan is just the first step before "instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare" benefits to reduce the federal deficit. https://t.co/MPMczpCLjT— Glenn Kessler (@GlennKesslerWP) November 29, 2017

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    JMG says:

    Isn’t “do what Putin wants or he’ll bomb us” what Republicans used to call “appeasement”?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: My alternative was “HEY! THAT’S MY FOOT YOU STEPPED ON, FUCKHEAD!”

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    MomSense says:

    @Jeffro:

    If you have Netflix, watch the documentary Icarus. I keep plugging this film but I think it provides insights into the Russian op we are currently suffering under. It starts out as an experiment to see how doping changes a cyclist’s performance in a particular race and turns into a thriller about exposing a decades long Russian doping op featuring Putin, Orwell, deaths – the works.

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    Baud says:

    @germy: What does that have to do with Al Franken?

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @germy:

    “We have to increase the federal deficit before we can reduce the federal deficit!”

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    @Baud: He hasn’t resigned yet?

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    Sab says:

    @different-church-lady: Maybe Melania wanted Christmas decorations with a lot less gold everywhere. So she came up with the stark silver white look. I wouldn’t want it in my house, but my house doesn’t look like over the top Christmas decorations year round the way Trump’s does.

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    Aleta says:

    Greg Sargent‏Verified account
    @ThePlumLineGS

    Shocker:

    Treasury Sec Mnuchin promised an analysis showing tax cuts will pay for themselves.

    But Treasury has not released it yet, one source admits, because no such analysis exists:

    Story is at NYT

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Is there a good compass app for the S8? I do like the one that comes with the iPhone.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    @Jeffro:

    Ok. You win. You sent me to a Fox News website.

    And the pop-up chyron said:

    “NBC News Accused of Ignoring Matt Lauer Complaints”

    Followed, I am sure, by interviews with R Ailes, B O’Reilly, S Hannity, G Carlsen . . .

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    debbie says:

    @Sab:

    My co-workers are much younger than I and are less obsessed about Trump. In our team meeting yesterday, I mentioned the horrorshow of the White House Christmas decorations. Someone whipped out their phone, pulled up photos, and shared it. They were all shocked speechless.

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    Immanentize says:

    @MomSense:
    There was a comedian in the 80’s who had the best routine about swearing and the steps before you can fight in New York. The steps were something like:
    Step 1 – introduce yourself:
    “Do you know who the fuck I am? Do you know who you just tried to fuck with?”
    Step 2 — Ask that they introduce themselves:
    Hey, Asshole, just who are you? Who the fuck do you think you are to disrespect me?
    Step 3 — Explain what will happen if you fight:
    “I’m gonna hit you so hard I’m gonna kill your whole family. Then I’ll rip your belly button off and slap it on top of your head so you’ll breath like a fucking porpoise.”

    Ahh, I miss Brooklyn…

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    Senator Collins has decided to garner attention and make us all call or tweet at her. She is holding out a thin shred of hope that she will vote against the Republican tax abomination.

    I feel embarrassed to urge y’all in Maine and thereabouts (Tom Levinson is in Massachusetts, and he calls her because he has relatives in Maine) to take to the phones once again, but we must stop this destruction. My senators are both Democrats and have even been tweeting against the Republican rampage, so I call them occasionally and thank them.

    But here we are, and you folks are on the front lines. Please, for all of us.

    Might not hurt for Arizonans to call Senators McCain and Jeff Flake and remind them of what they like to think of as their principled stands.

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    NotMax says:

    Still enjoying The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

    Ale Borstein is freakin’ brilliant in her role.

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    NotMax says:

    @NotMax

    Oopsie.

    Alex Borstein.

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    @Baud: I’m using an app called “Compass (No Ads)”. I’m not sure what’s on the fruity phone.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: iPhone has a stock app, but it’s pretty good. Thanks for the rec.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @satby: LOL. Lovely.

    Signed,
    Someone who LOVES to curse.

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    Kay says:

    @germy:

    To reduce the deficit they just created. Disgusting. This is a fucking heist. They’ve been dying to get their greedy paws on Social Security and Medicare and the dumb-ass Trump voters handed them over.

    Call the police! The robbers are getting away! My only hope is they impose austerity immediately. The Trump voters have to be held accountable. They’re so fucking greedy they’ll probably lobby to shove the pain off on twenty-somethings, steal THEIR Social Security. No, sir. Make the cuts IMMEDIATELY. They need to feel it. I’d do a clawback on federal benefits they’ve already received and GIVE it to twenty-somethings if I could. They’ll need it.

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    @Baud: I’ve never owned or used(except to take pics for folk) a fruity phone or pad.

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    bemused says:

    @Baud:

    Moore friendly churches only. He’d no sooner talk before a skeptical congregation than he would debate his opponent.

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    MomSense says:

    @Immanentize:

    That’s good. I’ll have to tell my son since he is currently in Brooklyn. Kid there’s a new swear club just for Brooklyn

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    debbie says:

    @Immanentize:

    Sounds like an ordinary subway commute to me.

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    Kay says:

    For everyone who bitches about “millennials” I’d just like to mention that the Trump budget screws them worse than anyone.

    The freaking GROSS GREED and mean-spiritedness of my generation appalls me. I paid about 3000 total for an undergraduate degree. SOMEONE ELSE paid for that. The rest of my gross “cohort” are ROBBING young people, including my kids. Good job, assholes. Leave it WORSE than you found it. Good work.

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    Sab says:

    @debbie:Poor kids. The White House Xmas reminds me of the Beast’s palace in Jean Cocteau’s “Beauty and the Beast”, with all the wall sconces that were disembodied arms holding torches.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I have an iPad and a work iPhone. It has some good features, but having used both, I prefer Android to iOS.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    “Don’t believe it was anyone’s intention” to immediately cut Medicare??? Why can’t I stop laughing?

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Meh. Intergenerational conflict in either direction is inherently a GOP talking point. That’s generally not where the fault lines in our society lie.

    ETA:. Or is it lay?

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Amir Khalid: I find that fascinating. Clearly he had to get the Queen’s permission to say that. The Royals are mega scripted and super political (even though they try to hide it.)

    Liz agrees with him and gave him permission to say that.

    BFD.

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    debbie says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Is it too much to ask to give them front-row seats?

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    clay says:

    I just saw a CNN headline alert on my phone: “Army veteran tells CNN Sen. Al Franken groped her during a photo op in 2003.”

    Ugh.

    Even if this whole thing is an orchestrated right wing hit, it’s hard to see how he survives this.

    But this whole thing is weird. Assuming that these stories are true, Franken’s M.O. seems to be to grab a woman’s butt when a picture is being taken. He’s not propositioning them; he’s not exposing himself or making lewd comments. He’s not harassing women that work for or with him — this isn’t a case of abusing his power over subordinates. This just seems to be grabbing a butt during a photo. Which is to say, right when there would be documented evidence that it was happening! On camera! With lots of people around!

    Setting aside that these women must all have brilliant poker faces to not change their expressions while this is happening, it just doesn’t seem that Franken is doing this with any sort of sexual intent. It’s likely that he thought it a joke — not that it makes it okay.

    But I still think that’s a long way from Roy Moore trolling for underage girls or Trump grabbing genitals, or Weinstein ruining careers.

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    Jeffro says:

    In the meantime, I finally got around to reading this from Tuesday: China Has a Plan to Rule the World

    …As foreign scientists pull back from some U.S. labs because of visa and government-grant worries, the Chinese are doubling down. According to the second Air Force study, China surpasses the United States in annual patent applications, is now No. 2 in peer-reviewed research articles and in 2014 awarded more than twice as many degrees in science, technology, engineering and math.

    China is mobilizing its best tech talent for this global empire. China Telecom plans to lay a 150,000-kilometer fiber-optic network covering 48 African nations. IZP, a big-data company, plans to expand soon to 120 countries. BeiDou, a government agency, is building a GPS-like satellite navigation system for all Eurasia.

    There’s an eerie sense in today’s world that China is racing to capture the commanding heights of technology and trade. Meanwhile, under the banner of “America first,” the Trump administration is protecting coal-mining jobs and questioning climate science.

    Sorry, friends, but this is how empires rise and fall.

    Fight fear with fear – especially reality-based fear – I say. Want to win over some suburban voters? Let’s throw this around and see what the GOP comes up with in opposition…not much, I’m guessing.

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    MomSense says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I’ve been bitching to her about the Medicare cuts, telling her that we are paying attention and with the Republicans in charge of Congress and the White House- we will know exactly who to blame for this nightmare.

    ETA Today I think I will tell her that her Republican colleagues like little Marco are making it clear that cuts to Medicare and Social Security will be next.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @bemused:
    His refusal to debate his opponent and only appear at friendly churches just makes Moore look like a huge coward.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Doesn’t matter. It’s Ala-fucking-bama. They’d elect Jeffrey Dahmer if he had an R next to his name.

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    @Baud: I was informed that I will have to wait until at least tomorrow to get my new phone, but the kid and I are supposed to go hiking, guess it’ll have to wait. Funny story, I had a GS Note 8(it was a 8″ tablet).

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    clay says:

    @HeleninEire:

    The Royals are mega scripted

    Well, Harry’s been a bit of a wild card in the past:

    http://www.newsweek.com/prince.....gue-723177

    EDIT: Hey, I have a comment stuck in moderation above. Not sure why. Could a Front Pager help a guy out?

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    Woodrowfan says:

    @MomSense:

    What is a New York City echo?

    Helllllooooooo
    SHUT THE F UP BUDDY!! PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP OVER HERE!!!!

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    Kay says:

    Mike Rosenberg‏Verified account
    @ByRosenberg
    11h11 hours ago
    More
    Can’t stop thinking about how Matt Lauer made $25 million a year while 23,000 U.S. journalists have lost their jobs since 2007.

    “Where did the money go? I wonder why we can’t pay working people? Is it….immigrants? Robots? Economic upheaval that like the moon or the tides can’t be changed?”

    I found the money we were looking for! The top 1% take it ALL now. That’s where it went.

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    bemused says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    He is a typical chickenshit bully, tough guy only when he can get away with it, stalking vulnerable young girls. The videos of him riding up on a horse to speak to supporters and pulling out a pistol are pathetic but his idiot supporters just eat that up. I really feel sorry for his horse.

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    @MomSense: Thanks. You are helping to save things for all of us.

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    clay says:

    [Reposting this to remove a bad FYWP word]

    I just saw a CNN headline alert on my phone: “Army veteran tells CNN Sen. Al Franken groped her during a photo op in 2003.”

    Ugh.

    Even if this whole thing is an orchestrated right wing hit, it’s hard to see how he survives this.

    But this whole thing is weird. Assuming that these stories are true, Franken’s M.O. seems to be to grab a woman’s butt when a picture is being taken. He’s not propositioning them; he’s not exposing himself or making lewd comments. He’s not harassing women that work for or with him — this isn’t a case of abusing his power over subordinates. This just seems to be grabbing a butt during a photo. Which is to say, right when there would be documented evidence that it was happening! On camera! With lots of people around!

    Setting aside that these women must all have brilliant [certain type of card game] faces to not change their expressions while this is happening, it just doesn’t seem that Franken is doing this with any sort of sexual intent. It’s likely that he thought it a joke — not that it makes it okay.

    But I still think that’s a long way from Roy Moore trolling for underage girls or Trump grabbing genitals, or Weinstein ruining careers.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @clay: When he resigns, how quickly can his replacement be seated? Can McConnell fuck with the timing so the Dems are a vote short when the tax bill comes to the floor?

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    hueyplong says:

    Every time I see a Franken story I think, “Maybe they’re still one vote short.”

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    bemused says:

    A Brit tv journalist reported that Trump aggressively pursued Lady Diana after her divorce sending many, many bouquets to her saying Lady Diana found it “creepy”. Trump expressed regrets when she died because he thought he would have had a “shot” with her.
    It’s a mystery why Harry and Meghan won’t invite him.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @HeleninEire:
    I gather that Her Majesty has declined to welcome den Scheißgibbon at Buckingham Palace when he makes his state visit. Aside from an obvious desire to avoid awkwardness, the House of Windsor is well aware that such a welcome would not sit well with the nation which the Royal Family formally represents.

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    Here’s a pano of LA from Mt. Lowe.

    (No butts were grabbed while taking these pictures.)

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    rikyrah says:

    Emotionally he’s a mess. But politically he’s in control, The media has spent weeks focusing on sexual misconduct (other than his). Meanwhile he guts the CFPB and net neutrality. Senate poised to pass an awful tax bill. Then confirm some judges. Wake up!https://t.co/9yLxMxnOqo

    — Richard W. Painter (@RWPUSA) November 29, 2017

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    Baud says:

    @clay:

    But I still think that’s a long way from Roy Moore trolling for underage girls or Trump grabbing genitals, or Weinstein ruining careers.

    Yeah, but it’s more serious than Emails!, and as we’ve learned, when the left, right, and mainstream media join forces against a Dem, it’s hard to overcome the onslaught.

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    @Baud: Nothing is more serious than emails.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Kay:

    Republican voters are fine with the rich getting richer. Just as long as nothing went to any [insert racist epithets]! I believe Davis X Machina has the definitive statement on this.

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    @Baud: Lie. Lay is a transitive verb. It takes an object.

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    rikyrah says:

    @satby:

    They can’t hide that he’s losing it, and the GOP needs to rush their tax cuts through before the calls to do something about the dangerously mentally incompetent in the Oval office get too loud.

    You nailed it.

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    d58826 says:

    From WAPO on rise of China

    There’s an eerie sense in today’s world that China is racing to capture the commanding heights of technology and trade. Meanwhile, under the banner of “America first,” the Trump administration is protecting coal-mining jobs and questioning climate science.

    Sorry, friends, but this is how empires rise and fall.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/china-has-a-plan-to-rule-the-world/2017/11/28/214299aa-d472-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.f75459bb57c0

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    WaterGirl says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Just like September 11. They started the ball rolling; we lost our way all by ourselves.

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl: Excellent observation.

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    MomSense says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Sometimes it feels like shouting into the wind but I keep shouting anyway.

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    d58826 says:

    @Jeffro: sigh beat me to it. sorry. really should start reading the at the top rather than the bottom

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: It kind of feels like we’re on a speeding train headed off a cliff.

    edit: and it turns out that all the safety measures we thought we had in place didn’t work as we expected them ro.

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    Baud says:

    @d58826: I don’t disagree with the first paragraph, but I’m getting tired of the empire meme.

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    BellyCat says:

    This is a promising step for Watson which should be celebrated by any self-respecting jackal.

    Study finds link between honesty and swearing.

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    But her emails!!! says:

    @clay:

    I think the original accusation might have been a rightwing hit – the actual facts behind the encounter were sensationalized to an extent in the initial release. The follow up accusations are likely organic – once one woman stepped forward, other women did as well and their accusations fit a consistent pattern (one that is significantly different than the first accusation). Franken is a butt grabber. Why, I don’t know. Maybe he has a fetish of some sort that he can actively keep under control, but if he slips into autopilot after a day of taking photos, there’s a risk he’ll impulsively grab what he shouldn’t.

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    Brachiator says:

    Scientists had to delete Urban Dictionary’s data from the memory of IBM’s Watson, because it was learning to swear in its answers.

    I love this kind of thing. Some tech enthusiasts and some scientists believe that AI can always be programmed to obey us, or that it will be programmed to only “learn” benign things. But didn’t Microsoft or some company have to shut down a bot that had “learned” to be racist?

    I guess the most modest take on all this is that our experiments with automation and artificial intelligence is going to take some interesting turns.

    And a computer that swears like Samuel L Jackson? Too cool.

    Alexa, what’s the weather today?

    Why don’t you stick your muthafvcking head out the window and check for yourself? Do I look like your muthafvcking weather channel?

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    Emma says:

    @clay: It’s not a criminal offense? Let his constituents deal with it.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @bemused:
    Diana was in a serious relationship with a British-born Pakistani doctor around the time of her divorce, and after breaking up with him she was dating film producer Dodi al-Fayed up to their deaths in 1997. There was much concern in Britain then that she, a member of the Royal Household, might become a Muslim to marry one of these men. It’s ironic that Trump, not known for his love of Muslims, should express a romantic interest in a woman widely thought to be considering conversion to the faith.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:
    You are truth telling this morning, Kay.

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    gene108 says:

    @clay:

    He has the same problem President Bush, Sr. seems to have with regards to women standing next to him, when photos are taken.

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    But her emails!!! says:

    @Brachiator:

    The problem isn’t that AI won’t obey us, it’s that it will obey us in a completely logical fashion that is ultimately detrimental to us.

    Examples:

    Programmers: End world Hunger
    AI Response: Kills all humans. Hunger problem solved

    Programmers: Maximize human happiness
    AI Response: Human brains in a vat with pleasure centers jacked up to 111

    Programmers: Create the perfect paperclip and manufacture them as fast as you can
    AI Response: Converts the entire galaxy into copies of itself and paper clips, killing off all humans at some point in the process

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    Emma says:

    @MJS: Unlikely. This is a private wedding, even though it is royal. They will probably do “family and friends, plus the absolute minimum of government officials” only. The Obamas are likely; the Clintons probably not. Think Zara and Mike, not Will and Kate.

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    chopper says:

    @Peale:

    tho hearing a computerized voice in a board meeting saying “dogg I wanna be balls deep in yo logistics” would be pretty awesome.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    you are ON FIRE!!!

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    chopper says:

    @satby:

    “Watson, clean it up a bit. you’re delivering a speech to MIT today”.

    THEY ANY SLUTS UP INS?

    “No, Watson, there will not be any sluts there.”

    THEN I’M OUT. CHOCOLATE LOVE, Y’ALL

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    d58826 says:

    @Amir Khalid: What I saw yesterday was that once the invitation was issued to visit GB it would not be withdrawn but that no formal date has been selected. I’m guessing that the date will never be selected.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @But her emails!!!: In the end, Kurt Vonnegut had us nailed. We will always act like the people at the end of “Player Piano”, rebuilding the machines that oppress us because we can’t resist playing with them.

    AI is not going to solve much, and the “solutions” will create other problems (like Porky Pig with a mouse problem, so he gets a cat, now he has a cat problem — The Warner Brothers animators had us nailed too). The reason Watson exists is not to better our world, but because tech geeks cannot resist building a thing like Watson, whether it is necessary or not, whether helpful or not, whether benign or not.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    You guys are really funny today. I’m laughing my ass off, here.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: Pointing out our hypocrisy is EXACTLY how the revolution will come to pass, I’m sure of it.

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    But her emails!!! says:

    @different-church-lady:

    The main problem AI will cause (provided we don’t accidentally cause our own extinction with it) is that ultimately the demand for labor will drop to zero. There is no reason to assume that there is a job AI and machines will not eventually do better than a human. Then what?

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    bemused says:

    @BellyCat:

    I was a bit amused by last paragraph of article of the study linking more swearing with revealing more honesty. People in NE states swear a lot more than people in southern states. Hmm…..

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    different-church-lady says:

    Apparently Conyers plans to deal with his situation by dying.

    Too soon? Too cold?

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    Baud says:

    @But her emails!!!:

    The main problem AI will cause (provided we don’t accidentally cause our own extinction with it) is that ultimately the demand for labor will drop to zero.

    Not so. Lifeforces will be needed to power the Matrix.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @But her emails!!!:

    Then what?

    Like I said, read “Player Piano”.

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    MomSense says:

    @WaterGirl:

    And 66 million of us are just stomping like crazy on the brakes – trying to stop it.

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    bemused says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Assuming Trump actually knew that which I highly doubt. He doesn’t know much about anything. Probably only thing on his mind was getting a date with Lady Diana would have been a yuge boost to his media coverage and his ego.

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    Jeffro says:

    @d58826: great article though, in an oh so chilling way

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    BellyCat says:

    @bemused: Right?

    When you think about it, the process of self-editing (largely due to peer pressure and social norms within one’s valued groups) can involve a whole lot more than just editing your language, moving well into editing one’s public behavior. What one thinks and does in private might be a whole ’nuther matter. (Hello, RACISM/NAZISM!)

    When social norms begin to welcome abhorrent behavior (while still filtering language) then the genie is out of the bottle. And that is likely the most disheartening part about what Trump is doing/has done.

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    Chip Daniels says:

    I just finished a book about Stalingrad, and how the Nazis got encircled and destroyed by the very Russians they thought they had outsmarted.

    That pic of the Trump .45 gives me images of Trump in his bunker as the Russians close in…

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    Chip Daniels says:

    @But her emails!!!: @But her emails!!!:
    Did you intentionally list 3 Laws to keep us safe from robots?

    If so, bravo.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @WaterGirl: Not really intended as such.

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    THE fog comes on little cat feet. It sits looking over harbor and city on silent haunches and then moves on. says:

    @MomSense:

    Can you try describe trump’s malfunction during his speech? I try to avoid listening to him going forward – he is too gross and despicable. It feels like psychological self-abuse to listen to him.

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    d58826 says:

    @different-church-lady: He did check into a hospital today. So maybe just gallows humor. Nancy is now saying he should resign. She has come in for some grief about her comments but I think she was just trying to grease the skids and give him a graceful way out.

    and NBC news is reporting

    The Trump administration is considering a plan to replace Secretary of State Rex Tillerson with CIA Director Mike Pompeo, an administration official confirmed to NBC News Thursday.

    Not sure if that is going from bad to worse or just that have already hit bottom so nowhere to go.

    I stand corrected. also report that The next CIA director could be Tom Cotton. There is still a long way to go before we hit bottom

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    WaterGirl says:

    @different-church-lady: I should have said: “That’s in poor taste. Very poor taste”.

    Hope that clarifies things for you.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @MomSense: Junior high school ca. 1962: Our section was the only one in 8th grade taking a foreign language, & we obnoxious kids would run around the halls calling one another names in fractured French.

    Upon hearing about this, le professeur – a brilliant young man barely out of college who spoke 5 languages fluently (& some years later was a finalist for National Teacher of the Year) – was appalled, and one day soon he devoted an entire class session to explaining to us why we shouldn’t bandy about terms like cochon and vache and sacre dieux!

    To my dying day I will recall the horrified look that swept across his visage near the session’s end, when he suddenly realized that he’d just spent 45 minutes teaching more than 30 8th graders how to swear in French… (And we never forgot! ;^D)

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @NotMax: Oh yeah? Have a look at this – the Washington Monument in Baltimore’s Mount Vernon Square (which predates the one in DC by decades). Complete with a statue of George at the top that from ground level looks like nothing so much as a “squirt” in progress.

    (When my brother was an art major in college he sculpted a, shall we say, interpretation of that edifice that left precious little to the imagination – & titled it “Father Of Our Country”…:^D)

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    No One You Know says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: That…is beautiful. Thank you.

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