There’s that number again

The Republican giveaway to the rich tax bill isn’t popular:

New Hart Research polling finds the Republican tax bill is very unpopular in Sen. Bob Corker’s home state of Tennessee (30% approve), Sen. John McCain’s and Sen. Jeff Flake’s home state of Arizona (26% approve) and Sen. Susan Collins’ home state of Maine (22% approve).

The average of 22, 26, and 30 is very close to one of our favorite numbers.

Also too, I got a request to do more fundraising for Doug Jones. Here you go.

Goal Thermometer

85 replies
  1. 1
    jackmac says:

    Of course it’s not popular, but they’re still going to try to ram it through.

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    Yutsano says:

    @jackmac: Yup. They need to pass SOMETHING. Anything. Fuck norms, rules, votes. They need 50 so Pence can break the tie. All their sweet sweet oligarch cash is riding on that.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Fuck norms, rules, votes.

    Yep, all the middle class tax cuts are temporary.

    All the corporate tax cuts are permanent.

    They’re not even trying to hide what they’re doing at this point.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Is there a record for how many times a single VP has had to break ties in the Senate? This isn’t normal. You shouldn’t constantly need the fucking VP to break ties like this. It’s a sign that your agenda is deeply unpopular and divisive.

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    Calouste says:

    Corker and Flake are retiring, and McCain will most likely be dead before he is up for election again. I expect the first two to value a RWNJ sinecure in retirement over the concerns of the people in their state.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    I recently saw the tax bill referred to as a “tax on the future.”

    Let’s see; it lowers taxes on millionaires and partially offsets the costs by raising them on low-income workers, it is likely to raise the value of the dollar and certain to lower the costs of investing offshore which will push jobs out of the country, and we will eventually have to pay for the services the government provides.

    I like this phrase for this or any tax-cut bill bull the Republicans propose. It’s pithy and adequately scary for anyone with a little foresight.

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    I get that they think they have to pass this tax bill because they have to pass something or their donors go home, but…have they considered what happens to their voter base if they pass this bill and a significant chunk of it sees their taxes go up after a couple decades spent marinating in small government anti-tax propaganda? There aren’t enough GOP mega-donors to win an election for dog catcher. In the end, they need votes to get elected. The “representative Paul Ryan voted to raise taxes on millions of middle class families” ad writes itself, and seems like it would appeal to the very sensitivities of folks who generally vote for him.

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    Calouste says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: There’s also the abolition of the deduction of state taxes. GOP reps in states with income taxes should be hit hard with that they voted to raise taxes on the residents of that state, to give it to less fiscally responsible states.

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    Yutsano says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:

    The “representative Paul Ryan voted to raise taxes on millions of middle class families” ad writes itself

    That ad is ready and waiting, since the House already passed their version. It really doesn’t matter now if the Senate does for the purposes of House political ads. This NEEDS to be beaten into every House Republican election. They voted to increase taxes to give tax cuts to the rich. Short and simple. And then let THEM explain it.

    @Mike J: Sort of. It allowed more moderate Republicans to take over the legislature. So they can’t get over the tribalism part but they can at least be somewhat pragmatic.

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    danielx says:

    I can see a commercial with assholes boarding a private jet and laughing over the rubes who voted for those who gave the tax break on said jet.

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    chris says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:

    their voter base

    You mean the same people who swore their taxes went up (they didn’t) under Obama?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mike J:

    Republicans in Kansas actually held a press conference saying their tax policy had been a disaster and begging Congress not to pass this.

    So, yes, Kansas Republicans are smarter than Congressional Republicans.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Calouste: Yeah, they’re screwing people in lots of arcane ways. How about their caps on deductions for school supplies and graduate studies?

    Who ever said Rs can’t put effort into policy? As long as the policy is “screw the poor” they’ll do their research and give it a 110% effort.

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    danielx says:

    The 27 percent rear their ugly heads. Again.

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    mikefromArlington says:

    yay for 29!

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    Redshift says:

    Weird how no one is talking about Grover Norquist and their pledge never to raise taxes, not ever ever ever, huh?

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    RepubAnon says:

    @danielx: Yes, and a series of “Muffy and Buffy” ads, with two clueless trust fund kids who never pay taxes, and don’t understand why their servants do pay taxes.

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    sharl says:

    Well, SOME people like the idea of the tax change legislation, or at least don’t mind it:

    NEW: The financial heft behind a leading pro-Roy Moore super PAC is coming from GOP mega-donor Richard Uilhein— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) November 27, 2017

    Roy Moore Super PAC Financier Finally Revealed: Newly released documents show Illinois businessman Richard Uihlein is the moneyman behind a group seeking to send Moore to the Senate

    The chief financier of a leading pro-Roy Moore super PAC is a deep-pocketed Republican businessman who dropped eight figures on 2016 races alone and is looking to continue propping up the party’s most conservative candidates.

    Illinois businessman Richard Uihlein provided $100,000 to the group, Proven Conservatives PAC, since September, according to a new filing with the Federal Election Commission, making him by far the group’s top donor. That money, which hadn’t been previously disclosed, has financed a host of ads boosting Moore’s candidacy in the face of widespread sexual assault and harassment allegations. The group has also run ads attacking Moore’s primary opponent, Sen. Luther Strange (R-AL), and his Democratic general election rival Doug Jones.

    Uihlein is a far bigger name in GOP politics. The shipping and office supply mogul and his wife donated a combined $26.4 million to federal campaigns, party organs, super PACs, and interest groups during the 2016 election cycle, according to FEC data.

    That spending has kept up this year.

    With funds provided by Uihlein and a handful of other donors, Proven Conservative PAC has spent more than $120,000 on about 15 television spots for ads boosting Moore and casting Strange as a D.C. insider and Jones as a liberal extremist. While Uihlein has been active elsewhere, the PAC itself has not reported any electoral activity outside of Alabama.

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    Batten Down the Hatches says:

    Done. Not a huge donation but it feels good to do something.

    Thanks for the frequent reminders.

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    I have a modest proposition, we stop calling Rs, GOP. There is nothing grand about their party and the D party is older than the R party.

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    JoeyJoeJoe Junior Shabadoo says:

    Kansas Republicans did lose a State Senate seat and a dozen State House seats in 2016 even as Hillary was losing badly, so there has been some effect

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mike J:

    Has it hurt Republicans in Kansas?

    The article on the impact of tax cuts in Kansas is very instructive, because it reveals the primary intent of Congressional Republicans.

    “This is designed to shrink government. It is not designed to grow business,” state Representative Stephanie Clayton told me. “I’ve seen it. It shrinks government. It doesn’t grow business.”

    The GOP leadership and their plutocrat masters don’t care about growing the economy. The plutocrats are plenty rich already and the tax cuts will just shovel more to them. And the middle class will be strangled, but they can be ignored and fed propaganda from the Clear Channel/Meredith/Fox/Sinclair syndicate. But the federal government will become smaller and less effective. And that will make the Koch Brothers and their ilk very happy.

    And it’s interesting to see that Kansas Governor Brownback never backed down from the state’s disaster and is moving on to become the United States Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom.

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    Another Scott says:

    Donated. Thanks DougJ!


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    Schlemazel says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
    you are assuming their voters will notice, I am not convinced. FOr example, they were positive their taxes went up under Obama when they did no such thing. This is faith-based voting.

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    geg6 says:

    Apparently, Project Veritas is at it again (though the news flash on my phone does not say who the woman works for). Someone approached the WaPo with a very dramatic story about Roy Moore that turned out to be false. Seems to one of their sting ops.

    Idiots think Marty Barron is as stupid as they are.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I have heard of only two Republican arguments being advanced for this ghastly tax package: Trump needs a legislative win, any win at all, to avoid looking ineffectual as President; and Congressional Republicans need a win to appease their billionaire donors. Not a peep about what’s good for the nation, which according to every objective analysis will be harmed both immediately and in the long run.

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    geg6 says:


    Apparently, some Oklahoma lawmakers are telling their people the same thing. If there are two states that should know best that this trickle down shit is really tinkle on, it’s Kansas and Oklahoma.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    Is there a record for how many times a single VP has had to break ties in the Senate?


    Pence is currently holding it.

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    Schlemazel says:

    Never forget David Stockman. He was St. Ronalds first budget director who went to DC believing in trickle-down bullshit. He quit very early and wrote a book that should be required for its description of what he learned in DC. They are not interested in tax cuts per se, they never believed laffer, never thought trickle-down works. They wanted one thing & one thing only – to destroy the Federal government so that it was incapable of interfering with anything every again. The main cause was racism but health and safety issues were high on the list. They are very close to achieving their goal, may actually have done it we will see

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    Amir, I know you are not on Bali but are you seeing any impact from the volcano? Good information id hard to find

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    JCJ says:

    Why is one of the categories for this “cat blogging”? Did you mean to hit “C.R.E.A.M.”?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Because they make shit up about their enemies, they assume that we do the exact same thing, so therefore all of the allegations against Trump and Moore must be fake.

    It must be very weird to live in a world where evidence doesn’t actually prove anything.

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    And then let THEM explain it.

    Two things: When you’re explaining you’re losing.


    Explanations on satisfy the giver.

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    sharl says:

    @geg6: Apparently, Project Veritas is at it again

    Hahaha, the story was just posted by WaPo. One of Wile E. Coyote’s James O’Keefe’s minions was thoroughly busted.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @geg6: Here you go:

    In a series of interviews over two weeks, the woman shared a dramatic story about an alleged sexual relationship with Moore in 1992 that led to an abortion when she was 15. During the interviews, she repeatedly pressed Post reporters to give their opinions on the effects that her claims could have on Moore’s candidacy if she went public.

    The Post did not publish an article based on her unsubstantiated account. When Post reporters confronted her with inconsistencies in her story and an Internet posting that raised doubts about her motivations, she insisted that she was not working with any organization that targets journalists.

    But on Monday morning, Post reporters saw her walking into the New York offices of Project Veritas, an organization that targets the mainstream news media and left-leaning groups. The organization sets up undercover “stings” that involve using false cover stories and covert video recordings meant to expose what the group says is media bias.

    James O’Keefe, the founder of Project Veritas who was convicted of a misdemeanor in 2010 for using a fake identity to enter a federal building during a previous sting, declined to answer questions about the woman outside the Project Veritas office, a storefront in Mamaroneck, N.Y., on Monday morning shortly after the woman walked inside.

    “I am not doing an interview right now, so I’m not going to say a word,” O’Keefe said.

    In a follow-up interview, O’Keefe declined to answer repeated questions about whether the woman was employed at Project Veritas. He also did not respond when asked if he was working with Moore, former White House adviser and Moore supporter Stephen K. Bannon, or Republican strategists.

    The group’s efforts illustrate the lengths to which activists have gone to try to discredit media outlets for reporting on allegations from multiple women that Moore pursued them when they were teenagers and he was in his early 30s. Moore has denied that he did anything improper.

    A spokesman for Moore’s campaign did not immediately respond to a message for comment.

    The woman who approached Post reporters, Jaime T. Phillips, did not respond to calls to her cellphone Monday morning. Her car remained in the Project Veritas parking lot for more than an hour.

    After Phillips was seen entering the Project Veritas office, The Post made the unusual decision to report her previous off-the-record comments.

    “We always honor ‘off-the-record’ agreements when they’re entered into in good faith,” said Martin Baron, The Post’s executive editor. “But this so-called off-the-record conversation was the essence of a scheme to deceive and embarrass us. The intent by Project Veritas clearly was to publicize the conversation if we fell for the trap. Because of our customary journalistic rigor, we weren’t fooled, and we can’t honor an ‘off-the-record’ agreement that was solicited in maliciously bad faith.”

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    rikyrah says:

    The crazyfication factor is real.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Another Scott:
    cool! I did not know that. OTOH, it does not show me what the locals are having to put up with

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    it is likely to raise the value of the dollar

    Actually the opposite.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I believe the woman in this case needs to be severely punished.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Not a peep about what’s good for the nation, which according to every objective analysis will be harmed both immediately and in the long run.

    The Republican boilerplate of “It will create jobs and decrease the deficits, eventually” is getting entangled with “Don’t worry, the temporary tax cuts will be made permanent” and the mixed messaging is starting to permeate to even the media’s dull awareness.

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    TenguPhule says:


    So, yes, Kansas Republicans are smarter than Congressional Republicans.

    Low bar.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Punished how?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:

    but…have they considered what happens to their voter base if they pass this bill and a significant chunk of it sees their taxes go up after a couple decades spent marinating in small government anti-tax propaganda?

    They blame the Democrats.

    Its not coincidence that the worst parts of their bill take place five years from now.

    They’re presuming Democrats will be in power and ready to take all the blame.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: You’ll have to peddle your punishment fantasy scenarios somewhere else. Or wait till after 10 PM EST to do it here.//

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: You just had to ask, didn’t you?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Let the punishment fit the crime. Complete public outing of every possibly available detail to the point that going forward, no judge or jury in any court in the land will ever believe her testimony ever again. i want her public shaming to the point where her own relatives disavow her.

    And that doesn’t even begin to describe what I want done to O’Keefe.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Schlemazel: True, but it just seems to be (mostly) steam at the moment. Thankfully.

    The SCMP has this AP story with more details.


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    Duane says:

    @Kraux Pas: I see the so very smart Repubs tacked “and Jobs Act” onto the tax scam’s title. What a blatant, deceitful attempt to mislead. They should add ” and Magical Unicorn Act, Too.” They don’t even try to hide their disdain for us any longer.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @TenguPhule: She is a bad person and she must pay the penalty. And here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment…

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Their voter base won’t care.

    First, as TenguPhile says they’ve timed it so that the results are in the future and can be obfuscated and blamed on the Democrats.

    Second, even if the tax bill hit IMMEDIATELY they still wouldn’t care or believe it. I saw an article about a year ago that involved journalists talking to a bunch of republicans and shown (over and over!) that Obama had lowered their taxes, even going so far as showing them their own tax returns from the past several years and watching the tax rate go down. None of them believed it was real. Likewise, these are the same people that believe Trump is really Christian and that he’s reformed from his p*ssy-grabbing days… or that the tape was faked to begin with. They’re all brainwashed.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Duane: “RAT POISON and Jobs Act”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Another Scott:

    it just seems to be (mostly) steam at the moment.

    Good for the complexion. Opens up the pores!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Good for the complexion. Opens up the pores!

    And melts the skin.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: So complete surprise, the Republicans are grasping at straws to come up with any reason at all to reassure voters they can vote for Roy Moore. I’m not sure why they bothered – the rank and file are already convinced the allegations have been disproven or show that he ‘honorably’ asked permission from the parents of legal teens to date them.

    They just don’t care.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @different-church-lady: Here you go:

    Also, a funny allusion to it here:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: Read the directions: do not directly apply the volcanic steam! Indirect application only!

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    sharl says:

    The 30-second Doug Jones ad attached to this tweet is awesome:

    AL-Sen: The Doug Jones campaign has rotated in new creative –Jones to-camera: "Roy Moore compares preschool and early childhood education to Nazi indoctrination. Folks, we're 49th in education because of thinking like that."— Medium Buying (@mediumbuyingllc) November 27, 2017

    I hope there are enough voting-eligible Alabama folks that agree.

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    Timurid says:

    In other news, there’s apparently kompromat on Keith Olbermann

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    James E. Powell says:


    Exactly. By next fall, FOX & Rush will have them all believing that Trump cut their taxes into half of what they would have been under Obama. CNN & the NYT will give the “some say” and “both sides” treatment so no one but the already committed will have any idea what the truth is. Republicans are very good at this because they all tell the same lies over and over. Democratic countermeasures have all failed because Democrats are unfocused and unwilling to explain why taxes need to be paid.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @sharl: Here you go:

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    Another Scott says:

    @Timurid: As usual with Twitter, it raises more questions than it answers.

    Twitter is horrible for conveying actually useful information to normal people. :-/


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Timurid: Well he did have an apartment he owned in Trump Tower…

    But here’s what he actually had to say:

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    sharl says:

    On the topic of the latest O’Keefe sleaze, THIS is why I always want to know where the money is coming from for shit like this!

    The problem with Project Veritas is that its targets have to catch it every single time. Project Vertias only has to fool someone once to do considerable damage.— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) November 27, 2017

    it already has; i hope we can all understand now that ACORN was driven out of existence via a racist con job.— Seth D. Michaels 🌲 (@sethdmichaels) November 27, 2017

    the lost history is that ACORN warned about the housing bubble/mortgage fraud before anyone and that is why they were destroyed— Atrios (@Atrios) November 27, 2017

    I think Atrios is likely correct, though I would love-LOVE-LOVE to have captured recordings of these secret gazillionaire backers providing targeting instructions to the pond scum they hire for these hit jobs, like O’Keefe.
    A boy can dream…

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    @Timurid: Oh no, they got to Olbermann.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @sharl: The intelligence we could get from O’Keefe about domestic threats to democracy more then justifies sending him on a one way trip to a CIA blacksite.

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    sharl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks so much Adam. He really is an excellent person, and I hope enough Alabamans realize that on Election Day.

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    Timurid says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I was making a joke because both the decision and the explanation for it are so odd (if he thinks the Pocahontas thing is what ends Trump he’s insane).

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You missed the Quest for the Holy Grail reference?

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    Calouste says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Some Alabamans think 49th is one place too high.

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    Duane says:

    @different-church-lady: Obama never came out and said,”Please don’t eat rat poison.” Another thing he didn’t do for us.

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    Brachiator says:


    They wanted one thing & one thing only – to destroy the Federal government so that it was incapable of interfering with anything every again.

    They remind me of Dick Cheney, who believed that the brute force method of creating your own reality actually works. It is simply destructive.

    The odd thing is that Trump’s biggest supporters are willing to go down with this failed effort. They will believe despite it all that Trump really is trying to make America great again. And knowing Trump, he will blame those he duped for not being strong enough or smart enough or good enough to be worthy of him.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: I got the reference.

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    debbie says:

    Say what you will about the NYT, and I know you will, David Leonhardt was on NPR’s On Point today. The subject was the tax plan. Leonhardt called bullshit on Senators like Rob Portman and was otherwise right on target.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Calouste: Damn Mississippi always holding them back from getting the record!

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    Brachiator says:


    The Republican boilerplate of “It will create jobs and decrease the deficits, eventually” is getting entangled with “Don’t worry, the temporary tax cuts will be made permanent” and the mixed messaging is starting to permeate to even the media’s dull awareness.

    I don’t think you can blame the “media’s dull awareness.” News stories have been pretty clear about the impact of this crappy tax bill.

    The GOP is rushing to get things done in the dead of night and in secret. Even rank and file Republicans in Congress did not see what the committees were doing until they were done.

    But the GOP can thank the distraction of the holidays and the fact that most people are not going to pay attention to stories about economics, even when it affects them.

    On top of this, you can see the GOP claiming that the CBO lies or is inaccurate, or that any cautions or negative assessments are just Democratic Party fake news.

    Now you can blame lazy and stupid pundits, as opposed to straight reporting. I caught a bit of the ABC Sunday pundit show and Cokie Roberts and others speculated whether the GOP would be able to get things done by Christmas, but never said anything about the lack of merit in the tax bill.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Another Scott:

    Twitter is horrible for conveying actually useful information to normal people. :-/

    Which is exactly why everyone uses it — people will always choose the worst technology for what they want to accomplish.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I thought Keith was smarter than that.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @different-church-lady: Perhaps.

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    p.a. says:

    Those 20% numbers are impressive given the media’s innumeracy and obsequious channeling of strong daddy rethug bullshit. Somehow the dem’s messaging is getting through the filters.

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    Spaniel says:


    … and riddle me this? Who is the Speaker of the House that worked for Sen. Brownback a few years ago is a force to push this tax across?

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    Duane says:

    @Brachiator: That say it all. Got plenty of money, want more, don’t give a damn about the rest.
    Evil is the truth.

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