Thursday Morning Open Thread: Happy Thanksgiving!


Could be worse… as the Washington Post points out, there were multiple contenders for “First American Thanksgiving”, from Florida in 1565 (they ate garbanzos with salt pork), to Texas in 1598 (no menu specified) to Maine in 1607:

An English settlement in Maine known as the Popham Colony held a “harvest feast and prayer meeting” with Abenaki people in 1607, according to the Library of Congress. The settlement was abandoned the next year.

And then there’s Jamestown — that ignominious Chesapeake colony some would rather forget. During the harsh winter of 1609, the settlers dwindled from 490 to just 60 people, and may have resorted to eating the dead. The next spring, in 1610, a ship filled with rations was met with a “thanksgiving prayer service” and celebration, the Library of Congress says…

Which kinda puts tofurkey and your aunt’s weird sweet-potato-raisins-and-marshmellows side dish in perspective, yes?

Besides carb-loading and relative-visiting, what’s on the agenda for the day?

222 replies
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    Baud says:


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    Debbie(aussie) says:

    Happy Thanksgiving juicers all. You may be interested to know that although we don’t celebrate thanksgiving here, we are being subjected to ‘Black Friday’ retail sales. Sad!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    what’s on the agenda for the day? Keeping my big fat mouth shut.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Benjamin Wittes behaves as if he’s Comey’s spouse.

    Maybe if he persuaded his BFF not to violated DOJ guidelines to trash Hillary or let the NYC FBI office to bully him into fucking up the election or refuse to publicly state Drumpf was under investigation for money laundering and treason he wouldn’t be so depressed over Comey’s firing.

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    Raven says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: It’s just us down here. Another fishless day, I’m going out on a boat tomorrow but there are such drastic limits on what you can keep that my expectations are low.

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    debbie says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Wish I could have actually slept in today. I’d have been thankful for that.

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    Proudgradofcatladyacademy says:

    Happy Thanksgiving. Off to shower so I can make 9 am meeting for dinner. Apparently I have been voluntold to stand in line to get number for the buffet that opens at 11!

    Safe travels, good food and peaceful conversations around the dinner table wishes for everyone!

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    debbie says:

    NPR has just reported another Trump achievement: To date, 17 coal mines have announced they’ll be shutting down. Pity all that energy from last night about Franken’s future in the Senate can’t be channeled into calling or faxing every GOPer to mock the latest failure.

    ETA: I know this is OT, but I am thankful for this bit of good news so early in the day. Now I’m glad I didn’t sleep in.

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    Quantumman says:

    Happy thanksgiving to you all from me, my better half, and our three critters.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Debbie(aussie): Same here. No Thanksgiving, but Black Friday sales. Yeah, I dunno.


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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: Before my step daughter got married it was “just us in Shannon Co.” celebrating with our traditional Thanksgiving feast of spaghetti and meatballs with garlic bread and a salad. I miss those days.

    Another fishless day? That really blows. You must be going thru fish tacos withdrawal. Hopefully even if you can’t keep anything from the boat trip you can at least have a little excitement.

    My wife and I will be heading for Shannon Co on Sat morning. My son, his wife and some friends are hiking the Ozark Trail and we are supplying them with Sat night dinner (Pop’s Famous Hot Chili and Super Secret Cornbread) and Sunday breakfast (Pop’s Famous Home Cured and Smoked Bacon with Eggs from his World Class Hens and Whampum Biscuits and Gravy) That’s more my style.

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    HinTN says:

    Happy Thanksgiving all. It’s just us and the misfits looking at doing justice to a turkey, oyster dressing, and multiple styles of cranberry sauce. Good luck with your fish, Raven.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @debbie: It’s an open thread as in “open to all topics”.

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    Silent no more says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, Juicers. This place is one of the things I’m thankful for.

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    HinTN says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: You can bring those culinary skills down here to Franklin County any time. I love to cook but I’ll sit at the feet of the master almost any time.

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    Just one more canuck says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to American Juicers. And remember, in the words of the great Arthur Carlson, “As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly”

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    MattF says:

    I’m pleased to say that my family is unanimously anti-Trump. Which is not a trivial thing, since my sister, e. g., lost one of her oldest friend over Trump.

    We’re together and I’m hoping for a raucously anti-Trump celebration.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Quantumman: Back atcha, buddxy!

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    debbie says:


    Yeah, but the mere mention of that name is a bummer.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Just one more canuck: Best bit ever!

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    Caphilldcne says:

    Happy Thanksgiving! I’m off to go run a 5k in support of a local hunger agency then over to my friends to cook the turkey! Doing a dry brine. We’ll see how it goes!

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    Manyakitty says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to you all! For the first time in 15+ years I’m not making dinner today. Instead, we’re going to my uncle’s house and the boyfriend’s sister’s. I won’t get many traditional foods because I am kosher and none of the others are. So, today I’ll explore whatever vegetarian sides are available and make my big dinner tomorrow or Saturday because I want the leftovers.

    With that in mind, I’ll spend most of this morning and early afternoon trying to finish a hat for my cousin’s middle child.

    ALSO, I’m on staycation for 10 days! No alarm! Naps whenever I want! Woohoo!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Merchants gotta merchant, y’know.

    A happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate the day. May you ever have much to give thanks for.

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    JGabriel says:

    Will Somer via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    Losing friends and family to own the libs

    From the same twitter feed:

    Will Sommer:

    Reddit users on r/the_donald are at odds over whether net neutrality repeal is OK because it’ll hurt Google and Facebook. 4chan /pol/ users spent last night in heated argument on whether net neutrality is a “Jewish plot” or whether tricking people into opposing net neutrality is.

    Wingnuts – willing to cut off their own internet access to spite libs.

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    satby says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to you all from me and my herd too. I’m planning a quiet day at home, though I do have to make a quick run for sunflower seeds for the birds. Just having chicken enchiladas today, tomorrow when my youngest son gets here is when we’ll have the turkey that’s thawing.

    Safe travels to those traveling. I am thankful for all of you here, and the generous support and community we share.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @debbie: Meh. At this point I’ve pretty much internalized the reality of his existence. Talking about him or not changes my mood none at all

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    JGabriel says:


    NPR has just reported another Trump achievement: To date, 17 coal mines have announced they’ll be shutting down. …

    ETA: I know this is OT, but I am thankful for this bit of good news so early in the day. Now I’m glad I didn’t sleep in.

    Can’t be Off-Topic in an Open Thread. Also, being thankful for shuttered coal mines is entirely on topic in a Thanksgiving thread (unless you’re a recently laid-off coal-miner with no other prospects, I suppose).

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    MattF says:

    @Manyakitty: My fave is “Reverend Jim’s driving test” from Taxi.

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    dmsilev says:

    Bird is in the lab, sitting on the kitchen counter waiting for final prep, and goes into the over in about half an hour. My parents’ dog is quite interested, and we’re keeping a close eye on him to make sure that he keeps a respectful distance…

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    p.a. says:

    @Raven: @OzarkHillbilly: You know the drill joke: 12 inch limit, 11 3/4 inch fish, drop it on the deck and step on it. Add to cooler.

    Happy Turkey Day everyone!

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    Suburban Mom says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all. My sister-in-law and I have begun splitting the cooking which makes things more relaxing. I’m doing a dry-brined spatchcocked turkey, cornbread dressing, gravy, cranberry relish and green beans with mushrooms and caramelized onions. My extended family leans liberal anyway, but now even the occasional swing voters are anti-Trump.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

    Happy Thanksgiving

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Baud: How many turkeys are you eating today, Baud? That’s too many!! Capitalism gone awry.

    @rikyrah: Happy Thanksgiving to you and the entire Balloon Juice family, including the four legged critters.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    So I heard this weird beeping from my oven at OMFG o’clock, and I discovered that the control panel is fried. The burners work, but no oven. I’ve got 15 people coming over. Fuck my life.

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    debbie says:


    I’m not at all happy about the miners who will lose their jobs, but I’m thrilled that Trump’s #1 promise has come a cropper. Anything that shows him to be a liar is good by me.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Can you grill the turkey?

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    Wil says:

    The one pro-Trump relative we have has been told she’s no longer welcome at holiday events. We don’t want racists in the house.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Ouch. Do you have a Plan B?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @debbie: I’m hoping my daughter wakes up soon and responds to my frantic texts. I’m hoping to use her oven. She’s not far away and is coming over for TG anyway. I can do everything but the rolls and turkey in the crockpot and on burners.

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    Kay says:

    We don’t have any Trump supporters coming to this meal that I know of – I’ll update if necessary :)

    I’m in a book club that is (majority) GOP women though and I host the November meeting, which is actually a meal. This was Monday night. So one of the women who I know votes GOP (although she claims she’s an “independent”) was telling me she hates Trump, but quietly, just to me. I don’t jump in when they start these confessions because they get defensive if a Democrat agrees with them and I’m genuinely interested in why they voted for him but now loathe him.

    You have to give them a “safe space” to disparage him :)

    Looking back over years of trying to convince Republicans to switch sides I have to say I’m not sure I persuaded anyone- that sounds hopeless and pretty much contradicts the work of the whole billion dollar campaign industrial complex but I think it’s true. I think they have to get 90% of there by themselves and then you just happen to be there when they’re ready for something different anyway. I can’t think of a single time where my brilliant argument carried the day and they denounced Republicans and vowed to vote for the Democrat. The vast majority of the time it’s them expressing some doubt (or outright disgust, in this case on Monday) and I just happen to be there.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Betty Cracker: Try calling instead of texting, in the hopes that her phone’s ringer is louder than the text alert?

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    Got into a bit of a frustrating argument last night with, of all people, my baby sister who I thought was more liberal than that. (She said when she found out what a centrist was, she felt that was her, and murmured some both-siderism.)

    Anyway from her perspective in the South Florida building trades, the middle class is not under siege or getting worse off, they just are spending too much, wanting huge homes and granite countertops. She’s the one who designs those kitchens and countertops. And anybody living in a depressed economy should just move to Florida where they are desperate for skilled and unskilled labor to hang those cabinets. I tried to explain that you couldn’t just, for instance, send all the coal miners to Florida, but I had no hard argument. Eventually I just walked away.

    Not a trump voter. But convinced that there are no economic issues for the middle class, and that tax cuts to rich = jobs, jobs, jobs.

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    Aimai says:

    @JGabriel: how will santa get coal for naughty children’s stockings?

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    geg6 says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all you jackals!

    Having a relaxing morning, drinking coffee and starting step one of my stop smoking plan. I have tried many times over many years using various methods to quit, none successful over time. After much research, my sister found an electronic nicotine delivery device that is working for her, so I got one myself yesterday. No cigarette at all today and only a few puffs off the device since 6 am. We’ll see how it goes.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    My brother’s brand new high-end stove became inoperable a couple Thanksgivings ago when another brother fiddled too much with the controls. The turkey was basically already finished, but eleventy billion casseroles had to be rewarmed on the grill. The dishes were a bit scorched, but it worked. That brother has been forever banned from touching the stove.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @MattF: Another absolute classic!

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    debbie says:


    You have to give them a “safe space” …

    Umm, no. Should any of my family ever speak to me again, I will be all over them.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Betty Cracker: Can you cook it over indirect heat on the grill?

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    geg6 says:


    I’m with you. Fuck ‘em. Giving these fucking assholes safe spaces is a large part of what got us here. If they want to express regrets, fine. Do I have to tiptoe around them in the hope that maybe someday they’ll suddenly see the light? No fucking way. Done with that shit.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @debbie: I decided early on to welcome back any who realize they made a terrible mistake, but only if they apologize first. That’s progress, and we need to encourage it.

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    tobie says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: The Republian Party successfully wooed small business owners by calling them “job creators” and praising their entrepreneurial spirit. Since then many think of themselves as latter-day Thomas Edisons who power the economy, even if the vast majority work in home improvement trades and whose entire fortune depends on the strength of the economy. Wait till they see the effects of this tax bill on small businesses and the economy. Will that be a wake-up call? Who knows?

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    debbie says:


    Yes, they have to fess up to their egregious error. And then let me shame them with sarcasm.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @MattF: Thanx, thanx a lot, now I’ve fallen down a Taxi youtube hole and I can’t get out.

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    Happy Thanksgiving!

    I will be having some anti-Trump friends over. I think we can all be thankful that the Tweeter-in-Chief will not be sitting at our tables.

    I’m thankful for my friends IRL and on the internet, particularly the Balloon Juice community!

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    Kay says:


    Sure! And you have a right just like they have a right but I have yet to see this approach resulting in any kind of conversion.

    What’s that economic theory? Sunk cost? They more they invest in defending him the less likely they are to drop off because the cost of admitting error becomes higher and higher. I want to make it cost them less. I’m not even thinking they’ll vote for Democrats- I would settle for just dispirited and unenthusiastic GOP voters. Let them talk themselves out of him.

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    BellyCat says:

    I’m grateful for those who express concern over accusations of wrongdoing (of any kind) — anonymous or not — while insisting on equitable due-process to evaluate these accusations. The end goal being to either redress proven accusations or resoundingly dismiss them.

    In other words, I’m grateful for those who put Democracy over party and politics (regardless of which side one is on).

    At the top of my gratitude list would be suitably punishing proven ratfuckers along with guilty parties.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Manyakitty: same here…we have to give folks an ‘out’ or a way back, but only if they are sincere and sincerely apologize

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @dmsilev: @Betty Cracker: To hell with texting OR calling. Tuck that bad boy under your arm and go over there and pound on the door until she answers. Then do what you have to do while pretending that you don’t see the half naked boyfriend hiding under the bed.

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    Kay says:


    This particular conversion was probably direct self interest since this woman runs a home health care company and home health care is funded by Medicaid. That’s not what she said though- she said “not presidential and embarassing” and I’ll take that if that’s all she’s giving :)

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    kindness says:

    That Vice article was nice except the surprise at the love of Hippie Punching by the right. That’s a shock? Right wingers have extolled hippie punching since LBJ/Nixon’s time. The only difference to now is the outwardness of the right’s excentricities. Conservatism used to mean being muted, stay calm, don’t do anything out of the ordinary. But now? Conservatives to the Jack Ass movies: ‘Hold my beer’.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

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    Emma says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: has she been down here long? Because Florida has had a couple of economic debacles where the house trades nearly collapsed. All related to housing prices too.

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    debbie says:


    Sure! And you have a right just like they have a right but I have yet to see this approach resulting in any kind of conversion.

    I’m sure you’re right (and less immature than I), but it would be a great pent-up anger releaser!

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    Kay says:

    Bottles from Trump Winery have been on sale at a gift shop in Shenandoah National Park, drawing criticism from ethics watchdogs for an apparent conflict of interest

    It’s a tiny little piece of the Trump Family self-dealing but I have to say this bugs the shit out of me- that this family gets away with blatantly marketing the presidency. It’s a daily affront to me. It makes me have contempt for all the members of his cabinet, too, how they’re so passively putting up with being arrayed in front of some gross Trump signage or something- I mean, my God, have some respect for yourselves if nothing else.

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    JGabriel says:


    how will santa get coal for naughty children’s stockings?

    Santa can give the naughty kids leftover shale from the shale mounds that are usually co-terminus with coal mines.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    WHOA, now that sucks! Do you have a bbq grill you could do it on? That may not be a lot of help with the other side dishes though. The upside is you’ll have some funny stories for future Thanksgivings.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: I don’t read Huffpo but I came across this article in a google search: This Billionaire Governor Taxed the Rich and Increased the Minimum Wage — Now, His State’s Economy Is One of the Best in the Country Show it to her.

    Then compare that to the results of one Sam Brownback.

    GOVERNORS of Kansas tend to love their job and rarely leave it early. Kathleen Sebelius, a Democrat, dithered before agreeing to leave the governor’s mansion after Barack Obama asked her to lead the introduction of the Affordable Care Act as Secretary of Health and Human Services. The current Republican governor, Sam Brownback, is different. He appeared not to hesitate before agreeing to take the relatively low-profile job of ambassador for international religious freedom in Washington, DC, a good 16 months before the end of his term. Perhaps Mr Brownback is as keen to leave Kansas as many Kansans are to see him go.

    If she’s really a “centrist” she will drop the bs.

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    Immanentize says:

    Ahh. I actually slept late today!
    Happy Thanksgiving, All. It has been a horrible fucking year, especially the last six months. But I am happy for every day I can spend with my son on this lovely planet. Let the feasting begin — and continue!

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    satby says:

    @Betty Cracker: OMIGD!
    Can you cook it in the grill?

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    JGabriel says:


    Looking back over years of trying to convince Republicans to switch sides I have to say I’m not sure I persuaded anyone- that sounds hopeless and pretty much contradicts the work of the whole billion dollar campaign industrial complex but I think it’s true. I think they have to get 90% of there by themselves and then you just happen to be there when they’re ready for something different anyway.

    Didn’t John Cole get persuaded to drop Conservatism and become a Democrat by his commenters? I may be wrong about that, but I thought it was a factor.

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    satby says:

    @Immanentize: You’re an inspiration to us all in your grace under enormously sad circumstances. Happy Thanksgiving to you and Immp jr.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Debbie(aussie): today, Thursday, was Labor Day in Japan and a holiday. So, the stores had Black Friday. Not much of a Labor Day holiday for retail workers today. Kind of really ironic when you know where the term Black Friday comes from. It was what the Philly cops called the awful convergence of the busy shopping day and the Army Navy game in the city. The term stuck as retail workers heartily agreed it was a black day. The whole idea that it is the day the stores turn a profit and black ink is a bullshit cover story to hide the original negative meaning.

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    Karen S. says:

    Happy Thanksgiving! My wife and I are heading out to a Chicago suburb for the big meal with my elderly parents who are vehemently anti-Trump. My mom and I were among the many black women who tried, in vain, to save this country from Trump with our votes for HRC last year.
    We’re doing a turkey, dressing and gravy plus mashed potatoes, mac and cheese (which I fixed yesterday and only needs to be reheated), roasted asparagus, hashed Brussels sprouts with caramelized shallots, rolls and sweet potato pie. Yum!
    In between the cooking, I’ll probably glance at whatever football game is on. I remember when I was a kid and the NFL game on Thanksgiving seemed to almost always feature the Detroit Lions getting creamed by whoever.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @geg6: Good luck, it took me years to quit. My last year of smoking I was smoking only 4 cigarettes a day and yet I could not give them up. Finally managed the feat with the help of Chant!x. It’s expensive ($150 a month for me) but the dreams alone are worth the price of admission. (like acid on steroids) I have heard that some people were so disturbed by their dreams that they couldn’t go that route. YMMV.

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    Aimai says:

    @Immanentize: thinking of you and wishing you peace. You deserve it!

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    Aimai says:

    @Karen S.: caramelized shallots? Wonderful!!

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    JMG says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, one and all! My son’s girlfriend is the only one up besides me, making her chocolate pie (apple to follow). When she’s finished I’ll start chopping the celery for the oyster stuffing and get ready to put the turkey in the oven. I only hope there’s no political news today unless Trump drives his cart into a water hazard, which will totally happen someday.

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    kindness says:

    My family is mixed conservative/liberal. We all get along though. We agree on most things really. The biggest problem I have with average conservatives now is they believe the Fox News contrived scarecrow of what a liberal is. They really believe what Fox tells them about us. I try telling conservatives I know that their idea of what liberals think isn’t anything like what Fox says. I point out how much we agree on. Some now use the out ‘You aren’t a liberal’. They’re going to hold tight to the notion liberals want to destroy the very fabric of the nation in all forms. I guess it helps them justify their own radical right wing lurch. Thankfully most the people I love are liberal so it’s all good. I’ll survive & vote.

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    Aleta says:

    @Immanentize: Thank you. Also on the planet, and grateful to you for reminding me to appreciate it.

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    Yoda Dog says:

    @geg6: Hey happy thanksgiving and happy birthday! My birthday is tomorrow too! (high five)

    I quit smoking 3 1/2 years ago, cold turkey. Before that I tried and failed no less than five times. I know how hard it is. Wish I had great advice to make it easier but I do not. I takes a long time, but eventually it just stops being hard. Getting there is the trick. Good luck.

    And Happy Turkey Day to you all. I’m thankful for this place.

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    BRyan says:

    Open thread, I think? So can I ask, anybody have any experience with google glass in the medical environment? Hospitals and doctors here are adopting it. Ostensibly the patient can opt out, but they claim fewer than 5% do. Use of this technology for doctor visits creeps me out. why would I think livestreaming my medical appointment to a transcriptionist in India (or anywhere, for that matter) should be okay?

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    Teddys Person says:

    @Kay: Read an article yesterday (can’t remember where to provide a link and poked around my favorite haunts to no avail) that said the gift shop was run by a private company not the NPS. Their explanation for stocking the Trump wine is that they try to promote local VA products (apparently the winery is about 30 miles from the park). Make of that what you will.

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    Emma says:

    Before I go for my usual news fast I want to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and the strength to keep going in spite of all the crazyness the world throws at us on a regular basis.

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    No Drought No More says:

    A simple mantra on the topic for those patient enough to shine-on America’s birdbrains around the turkey: “Russia owns Trump”.

    Better that than to declare contempt (as in “to declare war”), I suppose.

    Then again, who am I kidding? People drink on Thanksgiving and need I say more?

    Floridian: “I was standing my ground against an accomplice of treason, your honor”.

    Judge: “So naturally you stuck a fork in his eye, is that what you’re telling the court”?

    Floridian: “It’s what I’m telling the Floridian court, your honor [winks knowingly]”.

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    MattF says:

    @Manyakitty: @OzarkHillbilly: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttt doooooooooooooooesssssss a yeeeeeeeelllowwwwwwwwwww………..

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    geg6 says:


    Tried that. I don’t seem to do well on antidepressants. Didn’t work and got nightmares, not dreams.

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    bemused says:


    Very sensible if one can listen with a bland face and refrain from commenting or commenting neutrally, if at all so as not to scare the treed cats further up the tree. From reading your posts which I love for your insights, I think you’ve had years of experience navigating the rightwing world living in a conservative area, knowing and working with so many Republicans on a daily basis.

    I’ve avoided being around people who I think or know probably voted for trump. I won’t bring up politics but if they do, I doubt I’d be able to stay silent. I’ve done this too often long before trump ever came on the scene with family and friends and I end up with a burning stomach either way. Since trump, not a day goes by that I don’t worry about our grown kids and grandkids futures and I just cannot fathom how being Fox fueled angry liberal bashers takes dominance in their thoughts than actually thinking about how trump and current GOP policies are going to affect their loved ones. If they think a black kid in a hoodie was asking for it and not think how they’d feel if it was a white kid or their white kid in a hoodie, they are unreachable.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Good morning and happy thanksgiving! I feel fairly certain that the “say you’re thankful for Robert Mueller”was not a serious suggestion, but I seriously considering doing just that. Would that be wrong?

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    debbie says:


    Good luck and don’t give up! I can’t remember how many times I tried to quit before it worked (once, I quit quitting before quitting), but it finally stuck. For me, it was the patch, but whatever, you won’t believe the sense of accomplishment when you actually quit.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Betty Cracker: Oh, Betty, that’s awful! I thought the grill idea was inspired. I also wonder if you might have a neighbor who isn’t cooking thanksgiving that might let you use his/her oven. Possibly in exchange for an invitation or at least a lovely meal in solitude at their house.

    @Immanentize: Oh, Imm. What a difficult day for you and Immp. So much loss. I, too, admire your grace. Pretty sure I might be rocking in the corner if I were in the same situation.

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    geg6 says:

    @Yoda Dog:

    A birthday buddy! Hope you have a great day yourself!

    I am probably more motivated to quit this time than I was back in the 80s when I managed to quit for nine months, my record so far. So I hope that motivation is the deciding factor. If nothing else, an extra nine bucks a day should motivate me. The electronic cigarette is twelve bucks and should last about five days. So even a maintenance dose of nicotine will save me a lot of money. And the sister who has been doing this for about a month and a half says she feels ever so much better.

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    debbie says:


    No. I decided that if I caved in and went to my family’s Thanksgiving this year, I would respond, “Robert Mueller” when we go around the table and say something we’re grateful for. And then run like hell.

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    debbie says:



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    Immanentize says:

    Dear Betty Cracker,. I am so sorry about the stove. That truly sucks!

    BUT somewhere deep down you know that this will be the Thanksgiving your family talks about every year for generations!

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    jeffreyw says:

    @Betty Cracker: I had an appliance with a similar problem, tech help line told me to unplug it for 30 seconds. Duh
    It worked

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    hueyplong says:

    I am thankful for my childhood home, the State of Virginia, and the Dems who ran and won seats there this month. They have provided a feel-good story.

    Also, too, those people making a lot of noise as they were carried out of the Capitol building while they protested possible repeal of the ACA.

    We value people you never heard of being heroes. We don’t value blowhard wannabe dictators and Nazis.

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    Suzanne says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, Juicers! Though this is a vertical space, I feel as though our bond is very real. We are family, in many ways. I am thankful for you all, even the douchebags.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Teddys Person:

    that said the gift shop was run by a private company

    Yes, they contract that stuff out. Same for restaurants, hotels, etc.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Just as a suggestion to John, perhaps you could add a link to so those of us who don’t use Amazon can send some coins BJ’s way when we shop there. Thanks.

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    satby says:

    @WaterGirl: not at all wrong. Patriotic, even.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @geg6: Too bad. I’m not sure I ever would have quit without it. My biggest issue was cigs as a security blanket, no matter what I was going thru in that moment it was OK because at noon I could have another 1/2 a cig.

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    satby says:

    @geg6: @Yoda Dog: and Happy Birthday to you both 🎂 🎁🎉

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    satby says:

    @Suzanne: well, I’m not able to be thankful for douchbags, but otherwise what you said.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Emma: Twenty years, so I imagine she must have seen some of those low years. Maybe this is some of my brother-in-law’s politics rubbing off on her.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    even the douchebags.

    On behalf of douchebags everywhere, you’re welcome.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @geg6: Good luck with your stop smoking plan. That’s a tough addiction but I’m hoping you find a way.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @debbie: Ha! Yeah, that’s essential!

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Jeffro: I can’t see any other way to heal the division. We’ve always been the grownups, and that won’t change any time soon.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Immanentize: Hugs and hang-in-there-iest of Thanksgivings to you and yours this year.

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    eclare says:

    Has anyone heard from efgoldman? I know he was discharged from rehab, seems like it’s been a while.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Immanentize: Wishing you and yours a day of peace, love and excellent music. 💖

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    eclare says:

    @Manyakitty: Seconded, peace be to you.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Teddys Person: I saw that article, too. Weak sauce if you ask me.

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    Thanksgiving to all you jackals!

    Getting ready to head to the airport to go down to SoCal to visit Mom and my brother and his family who are visiting. Thanksgiving Day (and Christmas Day) is actually a nice day to fly, it’s pretty low key, and nowhere near as hectic as yesterday.

    Supposed to be in the 90s, and the Santa Ana winds will probably send my allergies into overdrive. Sigh.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @MattF: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😎🚕

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    Suzanne says:

    @satby: Even the jerks around this place give it that certain je ne c’est quoi, you know? If everyone was nice and polite all the time, I wouldn’t like it here.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    BBQ the turkey.
    Crock-Pot the dressing and any other sides that need the oven

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    Manyakitty says:

    @debbie: I fully plan to invoke Mueller if the question arises. Fuckem.

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    rikyrah says:

    You are right. It is a daily affront

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    Manyakitty says:

    @eclare: Amen. 💖

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    rikyrah says:

    Been thinking of you and little Imma.
    Sending you positive thoughts today.

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    Josie says:

    @geg6: I wish you the best of luck in quitting. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done, but it simplified my life tremendously. My two best helpers were cinnamon flavored toothpicks and my crochet needle (something to chew on and something to do with my hands). Hang in there.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Suzanne: I hope Thanksgiving is the start of an upswing in your life

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    david says:

    And, the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade has begun.

    PRO-TIP: Telemundo’s broadcast is 1000x better than NBC’s.

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    scav says:

    Happy T-day and success cooking to all! May you have help with washing dishes AND good company as well.

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    Starfish says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: You are hilarious. I hope this comment brings comfort to Betty.

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    Lizzy L says:

    Up at 4:30 am, for no particular reason that I can fathom. I’m baking Simple Mills pumpkin muffins. They are gluten-free, so no issues with wheat, and I use milk, which means they are reasonably moist. (I find many of the gluten-free mixes to be unpleasantly dry.) They don’t have much of a pumpkin taste, alas. Since I’m up, maybe I’ll make a visit to the gym this morning. Mass at 10 am. Today’s celebratory food will be simple: roast chicken (I’m not all that fond of turkey), rice noodles, sweet potatoes, Brussels sprouts, roast carrots. Socializing, a slow walk with my old dog, perhaps a nap.

    Whatever you do today, I hope it brings you joy and comfort. This has been a hard year, but I give thanks for friends, for kindness, for family, for shelter and food and health, for unearned abundance, for kindness, for the opportunity to be of service, for light and air, for music and color and grace, for kindness.

    Don’t mourn — organize!

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    Ben Cisco says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, Jackals! Stuck in town because I’m on call, so headed to a former colleague’s home for the day. I’m thankful to be alive and for the many friends who’ve supported me over the last two years, including you lot. Thankful to the front pagers here who simultaneously inform and amuse, for the jackaltariat for staying engaged. Mostly, thankful for my family.

    I bid you all peace, and my the Prophets guide your path.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to those who observe and a peaceful, happy day to those who ignore. I expect to arrive at my sister’s just before noon with the wherewithal for a bowl of smoking bishop (which the cognoscenti will recognize as the drink shared by Scrooge and Bob Cratchit on Boxing Day) to toast Santa and, likely, ourselves.
    Flora the Pug will meet Marshall the Malamute for the first time. 5 dogs among those present this year.

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    Starfish says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: There are a couple of people including Wittes defending Joe Barton as a victim of revenge porn without any consideration for the fact that people who work for the government need to diligently avoid things that they can be blackmailed for.

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    Eric says:

    Thanks to all of you for providing a place full of gentle, thoughtful, caring people. And to you curmudgeons, though you try to hide it, we are all on to each of you. Peace and light to all with heavy hearts.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Happy Thanksgiving from London, y’all. Enjoy the day.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Starfish: 10,000 unemployed comedians and here I am giving it away for free.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Eric: What Eric said. Peace and love to all of you (with only a few exceptions).

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    BellyCat says:

    @geg6: Nicotine mints. I break the small 4mg ones in half.

    No real desire to quit nicotine (in mint form) since, like coffee, a maintenance dose keeps the mental gears turning far better than abstinence (and Mrs. Bellycat likes me better this way, too!).

    Getting rid of smoke in one’s lungs is the key, whether you fully quit nicotine or not.

    Best price (by a considerable $) is WalMart — undermining the “Walmart is the World’s Greatest Evil” argument by a smidge.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @BRyan: I’m one of those people who refuses to enable “Hey Siri” on my phone, & will probably never have Amazon Echo or Google Home devices anywhere I live. First because it’s creepy, & second because it feels like I’m bugging myself. Plus, since law isn’t clear on this, there have apparently been a few cases of what amounts to evidence gathered from these products.

    However, medical data does have settled case law & multiple protections, including doctor-patient privilege. Thinking about it, Google Glass actually makes sense in this setting. It is likely better than anytime my doctor was spending more time dealing with a computer than looking at me during my annual physical. I’d probably be okay with this. But if it creeps you out enough to act as a barrier to you speaking freely with your doctor, you should decline.

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    @eclare: I think his daughter and family were coming up for T-day, so he’s a bit busy.

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    And, the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade has begun.

    Fuck Macy’s. Fuckers open on T-day, assholes. Madame has to work 4:30pm to 2:30am tonight at Macy’s.

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    frosty says:

    @Betty Cracker: Ms.F reminded me of one the early years we had Thanksgiving with her parents and a snowstorm knocked out the power. Her dad fired up the grill and the turkey came out fine. Good luck to you!

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I ask for prayers for Robert Mueller every Sunday in church. Most people don’t know what I’m talking about. A few nod their heads.

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    frosty says:


    people who work for the government need to diligently avoid things that they can be blackmailed for.

    Good advice for all of us!

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Same here.

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    Keith G says:

    If the Pilgrims had come all this way to find on our shores America’s current domestic politics, they would have vomited all the food at the first Thanksgiving dinner.

    Oh FFS Ben, The MEN who ran the initial Plymouth settlement would have gladly co-signed more than half of the urgent desires of our current ruling junta.

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    frosty says:

    @Keith G: Agree for the Cavaliers who settled Virginia. Maybe not for the Roundheads in Massachusetts. And that’s about as far as my knowledge of the English Civil War will take me.

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    Baud says:


    4:30pm to 2:30am

    Holy crap, that’s awful. And who the hell shops at Macy’s at 2:30 in the morning.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Betty Cracker: Have you tried rebooting the oven? Unplug, wait a couple of minutes, replug? (I see this has already been suggested, nonetheless, try it!)

    Then there’s the possibility that it’s a temporary condition caused by (e.g.) condensation in the electronics. My over-the-range kitchenuke went nuts the other night (after reheating supper, dankseimutt), flashing KEYBOARD SHORTED – MAY NEED SERVICE. Unplugged & replugged, no joy; unplugged for the night. Next morning I set about digging my old nuke out of the bassimento & hooking it up – but just for the halibut plugged the installed unit back in. Sirprize sirprize sirprize, back from the dead, nun da woys 4 where! (Whew – that was like a $200 repair I was looking at!) You might try unplugging, then hooking up a hair dryer & playing it on the controls area for a few minutes…

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    Baud says:


    On a related note, is $400 a good price for the S8? And should I get it if it means going to a store that’s open today?

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    tybee says:

    @Baud: don’t encourage the assholes who are open today.

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    germy says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all–even the haters and losers!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 27, 2013

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    Tenar Arha says:

    Also too: Happy Thanksgiving 🦃🍽🍁!

    Obligatory Adam Sandler song performance.

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    Hal says:

    I’m making a turkey, stuffing and mashed potatoes. Mashed are the frozen, just add butter and cream from Trader Joe’s and I went ahead an bought the pre-cut stuffing vegetables and herbs. I’m irritated because I’m on vacation this week, but I have to go in tomorrow because my coworkers is off on Fridays. Then I’m off again for three days. Oh well.

    Also, I’m curious about some of these really vocal Trump supporters on social media. The handful on my Facebook feed haven’t said shit about him in weeks. I wonder if some of them slowly watched their friend count drop or noticed less likes or something and they deciding to shut the fuck up for awhile.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    Today we are having ~20 for GAPO (the Great American Pig-Out) at an historic mansion in the ‘burbs where my SiL has her personal-training-&-nutrition operation. In contrast to last year, when the loss of Skyler (Unc’s beloved older nephew & godson) the previous August kept the day small & somber. I take this to signify that while la famiglia will always be brokenhearted, we are no longer broken. (I hope – he would’ve turned 30 just before next Xmas, & we still have to weather that…)

    Happy Thanx to all. Gobble! Gobble!

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    Baud says:

    @germy: Don’t bring that shit here.

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    marcopolo says:

    Good–late–morning to everyone and happy Thanksgiving, though as others have mentioned I’ll be digging deep of the things I am thankful for this year. Certainly family and friends and having spaces like BJ where I can be a member of a group that generally feels like a speck of sanity in the ocean of crazy that tends to be modern life. For just over the past decade, my mother and I have been providing Thanksgiving dinner for six to ten folks she knew that did not have any other place to go. Last year (at 84) she finally decided she no longer wanted to deal with the stress of preparation and cooking for so many, so this year it’s just the two of us headed to what is supposed to be an excellent restaurant Thanksgiving meal. She says the thing she’ll miss the most is leftover Friday. I’m hope they let us take some food home in doggy bags. Or maybe I’ll just wear something with a lot of deep pockets.

    St. Louis and environs folks, let’s try and figure out a way to meet up sometime in the next month or two!

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    And who the hell shops at Macy’s at 2:30 in the morning.

    The insane, Baud, the insane.

    I saw you comment last night, we’re having T-day dinner on Saturday.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @Betty Cracker: “The burners work, but no oven”

    OH NO!
    (insert Macaulay Culkin pic)
    OH NO!!!

    I was going to post a link to the Cracker-barrel website for you Betty, but they’re “down for maintenance” on THANKSGIVING!

    It must be a liberal plot by atheistic IT types stuck with the Thanksgiving day shift because they’re childless family hating atheists. Think of all the poor buckras driving around in circles for a Cracker-barrel they’ve never been to. Amber Alert mayhem.


    Edit. spelling

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    @Baud: $400 is a good price, but I agree with Tybee’s comment about not patronizing stores that open today.

    On a related note, I’ve decided to upgrade to the Note8. The camera on my Note Edge doesn’t save RAW and there won’t be any further OS upgrades, so I’m switching.

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    frosty says:


    Also, I’m curious about some of these really vocal Trump supporters on social media

    I’m curious about mine too. I wonder if I got unfollowed because of things I like. I don’t post anything political, for the most part. I don’t miss ’em.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Enjoying the peace and quiet of 6th Avenue being shut down for the Macy’s parade that is north of where I live. Got a good night’s rest, got the last ingredients I was missing. We’re going to be cooking 40-clove chicken and mushroom stew for dinner today (as well as pumpkin pie – of course). My mom is around, so she’ll be stopping by, but the rest of the family is spread out elsewhere. Going to Philly for the weekend to see my wife’s side of the family.

    I cannot wait for this year to be over. 1 year of our national nightmare almost down…

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    Elizabelle says:

    Happy Turkey Day to you and yours. Sweater weather w a drizzle in Stockholm. Sun sets early, way early here.

    Am grateful for my jackal comrades and the ability to laugh and snark. What else can you do?

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Speaking of phones, I’m waiting for the old Note Edge to charge up and headed out for a hike to Mt. Lowe. It’s really clear here in LA(combination of a mild Santa Ana and less traffic).

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    oldgold says:

    A man always wanted a parrot since he was a boy, his family knowing this decided to surprise him on thanksgiving day. Now the parrot wasn’t raised in a christian enviroment and it was mocking, insulting, and treatening the man. That thanksgiving day he got the man, so angry that he put the parrot in the freezer. After 3 minutes he let the parrot out. the parrot says “I take it by your attitude and behavior I somehow offended you.” The man says “You did!” Then the parrot say “Can i asks you one more question?” The man says “Sure. what is it?” The parrot asked “What did the turkey do?”

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Was watching the Turkey pardoning. Got an awful sense of dread. Barron is one scared as fuck little boy. He is terrified that he is going to do something wrong. He was wringing his hands and biting his lips. He is so scared that Daddy is going to get mad at him that he can barely function. Has anyone else not noticed this?

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Glad to hear it. Better late than never.


    Thanks. I shan’t go shopping today. Congratulations on the upgrade. I was thinking of splurging in the Note, but I really couldn’t justify spending that much more to myself.

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    JMG says:

    Anyone capable of explaining why the Macy’s parade had Smokey Robinson sing a Christmas song on top of a float depicting Mt. Rushmore? Entertaining to be sure, but I think the back story would be even funnier.

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    @Baud: If you can deal with the size and can afford it, get the note. Here’s a pic of LA from yesterday evening.

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    Calouste says:

    @germy: Nice of the shitgibbon to wish himself and his followers a happy Thanksgiving as well.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I haven’t really played around with the Note 8, so I don’t know about the size. But it’s $250 more than the S8, and I’m not sure I’ll use the pen that much. It’s tempting though….

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I’m guessing that Smokey shrugged and said to himself, “What the hey, a gig’s a gig.”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    You know how Der Trump makes everything all about himself.

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    Central Planning says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: Maybe you should also put it in rice to get that extra moisture out :D

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Betty Cracker: yow! poor you! I’m with the “go on over to your daughter’s house with the turkey and do what you gotta do” voice on this one (would that be Ozark Hillbilly’s?). Or if you can grill, mmm…BBQ turkey is far from the worst thing in the world.

    @Immanentize: Aww, Imm. Glad to hear you got some sleep. Hoping you have a nice Thanksgiving with the Immp.

    Just generally, I meant to get up super early and go riding this morning before racing back and preparing the squash I am bringing to neighbor’s Thanksgiving dinner, but am instead lounging around drinking coffee and hanging with the jackals. Looking forward to feasting. Happy Thanksgiving, y’all!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I don’t see much of the Trumps on TV, since I quit the goggle box years ago. But it doesn’t surprise me at all to hear that Donald bullies his children. Tiffany was lucky that her mother got her away from him.

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    feebog says:

    @Sister Golden Bear

    Supposed to be in the 90s, and the Santa Ana winds will probably send my allergies into overdrive. Sigh.


    I am in the windiest part of LA (North SFV) and the wind has subsided quite a bit. Still going to be over 90 though. Going to my BiL place for dinner. Always a crowd, and any number of rug rats running around. My only jobs are to not get to drunk before dinner and carve the turkeys and ham.

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    Suzanne says:

    So I was teaching Spawn the Younger how to play chess last night. She really likes the chess set, but I’d never taught her how all the pieces work. I was remembering how I bought that set when I went to Germany, and when I flew back, the airport security schmucks at Heathrow got all freaked out by it. They made me unwrap the package, even though I said it was a chess set. Then when I opened it, they asked me why I had a chess set.

    My response: “To play chess.”

    I can’t even with people sometimes.

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    JustRuss says:

    Apparently our cat-folk got into something they shouldn’t have, one’s dead and the other spent the night at the vet’s, looks like he’ll be alright. I’ll miss the little guy, one of the mellowest, friendliest cats I’ve known. He had a pretty good run, 17 years give or take.

    Turkey’s dry-brined and in the smoker, nice group of family and friends coming with no big Trump supporters so it should be a pleasant day, considering.

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    JustRuss says:

    @Betty Cracker: Heh, my Mom’s oven died on Christmas about 10 years ago. Buying and installing the new oven turned into quite the family project. I think the neighbors were out of town so we borrowed their kitchen for the day.

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    J R in WV says:

    Well, I’m making a 150% larger pineapple upside down cake, and a dozen or so deviled eggs. And cranberry sauce, maybe. The 150% is because my skillet is a big old iron potato frying monster and I do the math in my head. Just because.

    I got a fresh pineapple yesterday, too for the first time. so if there are any concealed traps in that, call me!

    Saw an EFG post yesterday, he’s fine but his rehab is wearing him out as he’s working hard at it. So posting will be sparse as he works hard.

    And yes, I too am VERY thankful for Robert Mueller III aka bobby threesticks. Going all the way next door for an evening dinner, Pablo works noon til 6 so afternoon is out – good by me, I never understood why anyone wants to eat their big meal mid afternoon.

    When we both worked, wife got home around 9 most nights. Later sometimes. So since I got home around 6, I would relax for an hour or so and start dinner. Depending. I had to be flexible because if shit happens as it does, she was off to wherever it happened. For however long it lasted.

    She kept a “go bag” in the trunk, even a sleeping bag because often shit happens way away from nearest motel. Thankful that’s all behind us forever!

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’m enjoying my Note 8 other than being a little nervous about “is Bixby really disabled?” I keep waffling over whether to replace the camera app because Bixby Vision.

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    debbie says:


    Read up on the Puritans and the Salem witch trials.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    I could be wrong, but I’d thought his conversion started when the Terri Schiavo controversy hit his berserk button.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @JustRuss: Oh, no! So sorry to hear it!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @J R in WV: Glad to hear there has been a recent-ish EFG sighting/posting. I have been thinking about him and wondering if he was OK.

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    @J R in WV: Fresh pineapple contains enzymes that will digest some of the cake ingredients, so cook it before you put it into the cake. I’ve always thought about using fresh pineapple in an upside-down cake, but have been too lazy to do the extra work.

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    frosty says:


    but I really couldn’t justify spending that much more to myself.

    Take this for what it’s worth but I look at a lot of my purchases from decades ago and wonder why I didn’t spend the extra $50 or so to get the better version and the one I really wanted. I mean, a Fender Duosonic instead of a Mustang? Now I spend the money.

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    Dog Dawg Damn says:

    I can’t believe anyone celebrates this mythological holiday anymore where we pretend Europeans didn’t systematically slaughter and eradicate hundreds of cultures and thousands and thousands of people. But enjoy the game and Turkey, y’all!

    This year we aren’t going anywhere but some Chinese restaurant where hopefully they don’t even speak English but the food is good.

    Also, why would anyone cook on your day off? I guess I don’t understand people. Sleeping in and taking a walk and letting a restaurant cook for you seems much better.

    Happy Genocide Day!

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    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: There’s a good video over at “The Daily Note” on youtube about disabling Bixby.

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    frosty says:

    @debbie: Salem. Gotcha.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    That sounds like a horror movie!

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @satby: I’d like to second that statement. I’ve thought of Imm and younger Immp often this year , wishing you both peace.

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    @Dog Dawg Damn:

    Happy Genocide Day!

    I thought that was last month.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: All you folks with your talk about “disabling Bixby” are making me nervous. What has TaMara’s poor dog done to you? Hasn’t he suffered enough??/

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Suzanne: I flew to Carlsbad NM for a week long expedition in Lech with all my absolutely have to have cave gear in carry on (rappel rack, carabiners, sit harness, webbing, cams, headlamp and battery pack, LOTS of batteries, helmet, cookstove, canteen yadda yadda yadda) figuring I would have to open it up and spread it out for all to see at every checkpoint and…

    Never once did a TSA agent raise so much as an eyebrow at the x-ray.

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    @debbie: Nah, just likely to make the cake kind of slimy and MSG-tasting. Or at least that’s my best guess.

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    frosty says:

    @Miss Bianca: Not quite a LOL but I’ll give ot a COL (chortle out loud).

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    And I’m off to make the turkey and other goodies!

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    @Miss Bianca: Bixby is Samsung’s version of Siri, it’s not quite there yet from what I understand.

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    scav says:

    People everywhere have had harvest festivals probably about as exactly long as they have thrown midwinter bashes. No silly-hatted rock-stomping killjoys get to claim it as their personal and sole invention. Happy Production of Leftovers Day doubled!

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    germy says:

    Robert Mueller will only take a 10-minute break from work today to quickly eat a turkey sandwich. Happy Thanksgiving, @POTUS!— andy lassner (@andylassner) November 23, 2017

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on Balloon juice. Have a great day folks!.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @frosty: We try our ‘umble best.

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    Karen Potter says:

    @Dog Dawg Damn: hey, you got to “love” the ability of humans to redact anything and everything; they take a day that celebrated massacres and turn into day of giving thanks. Then they top it off by bragging how great a bunch of religious nuts who got thrown out of Europe were and how they got along with native peoples; while ignoring the only reason they even survived the winter was they knew that people in village had died of plague after harvest.
    This is what happens to people when they read history books before they were destroyed for not being in guidelines of what the establishment wants to pass along. I was never so surprised as when had a brother in law explain that the North America was basically empty land that god had given to his people.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Damn.Sorry to hear about your kitty. Hope the survivor gets well soon.

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    Old Dan and Little Anne says:

    My MIL is on her deathbed at my sil’s house. Cancer. Heading over there soon for dinner. FIL and BIL are both rabid Drudge readers who are in complete denial about the state of my poor wife’s mom who doesnt have much longer. Ugh.

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    frosty says:

    Off to my brother’s place for T-Day now. Thanks for the company and COLs this morning and Happy Thanksgiving to all you jackals everywhere!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Old Dan and Little Anne: Oh, that sounds like the Thanksgiving from Hell. So sorry to hear it! Hope you hold up OK today.

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    Bill Arnold says:


    Looking back over years of trying to convince Republicans to switch sides I have to say I’m not sure I persuaded anyone- that sounds hopeless and pretty much contradicts the work of the whole billion dollar campaign industrial complex but I think it’s true. I think they have to get 90% of there by themselves and then you just happen to be there when they’re ready for something different anyway.

    I’m toying with a different approach, teaching people that “politics makes them stupid”. For this to work one needs to be (a) familiar with the wingnut arguments and talking points and (b) willing to sacrifice a “liberal argument”, but many people hunger in my experience for actual nuance, and not just Belief In Tribe. Also, it can be fun.
    But the old standby of asking people to explain their policy positions in detail, and the reasoning behind them, is also effective, especially when there isn’t any substantive reasoning behind them.

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    StringOnAStick says:

    Ha, I win! I cooked our turkey yesterday since it was thawed and I had gotten off work at noon. Husband was happy to have it a day early. I was going to do the spatchcock thing that Tamara posted but then realized I didn’t have a big enough roasting pan. I’m planning to find one on sale after the holidays, so the next turkey is getting that treatment. Today I threw out the recipe I’d been using since it means disabling smoke detectors after being deafened from that initial high temperature roasting period. Spatchcock for the future!

    I’ve got college friends I haven’t seen in 30 years coming by tomorrow now that they’re (1) a couple as of recently, and (2) back in this state though 5 hours away. Her son and now his daughter live in Denver so we’ve finally matched trips and schedules. Plus we’ve got the fun of our new kittens, how fast they’ve grown in just 1 week!

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    hitchhiker says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all the jackals! For decades I made a turkey, usually just for our family and a couple of others who needed a place to be, but hey — the daughters grew up and my Fox-watching siblings are mostly in the midwest, so it’s just me and mr hitchhiker and the pets right now. No pressure to do anything but put together an apple pie, which we’ll bring to one of the daughter’s houses later.

    Her husband likes to cook, so he’s in charge of all that. We’ll watch football. I’ll probably do the cleanup. I’m not gonna fight with anybody. The fam back in Michigan will be hanging out discussing the joyous owning of snowflakes, I suppose, but out of respect for our deceased parents, I’ll just let them do that on their own.

    Life is short! Thanks for being here.

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    Old Dan and Little Anne says:

    @Miss Bianca: Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving.

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    Bill Arnold says:


    how will santa get coal for naughty children’s stockings?

    Outsource to Amazon (Prime) (image links, hopefully will work):
    Lump of Coal in 2″ Glacial Blue Gift Box
    Real Lump of Coal in 4×6″ Fancy Burlap Bag with Handwritten Naughty List Gift Card
    (searched on coal gift)

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    Karen Potter says:

    @Just one more canuck: they can, just not the ones that most people eat

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    Karen Potter says:

    @Manyakitty: I never thought about how kosher thanksgiving dinner was; unless you are orthodox my families dinner would have worked just fine. We put milk in meat gravy.

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    JR says:

    Losing friends and family to own the libs

    That article is pretty fucking sad.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    OH NO! I just put that puppy into the oven, sat down to rest before starting the cranberry sauce and deviled eggs, and learn that the cake may be doomed before I even started in baking!!!

    I shoulda stood right here and read more before starting. Also, it’s really hard to tell where the hard bits of pineapple end and the good soft tasty parts begin…

    Thanks for the info Cheryl. I’ll let everyone know how it turns out! There will also be squash pie (pumpkins are just special squash) this squash (not a pumpkin) will be from a green thumb forester with a big orchard and way successful garden. Guaranteed good, as the cook as 50 years in making pie.

    Digest ingredients in the cake batter??? whocouldaknowed? I am so screwed. I used to go to an annual neighborhood summer party where the main event was a pie baking contest. Everyone got to taste pies who wanted to judge, and then everyone got pie. I won more often than you would think a big bearded farmer would have won. Whole wheat crust, fresh ingredients, home raised eggs, those all help a lot.

    The ladies would go, “But I used whole wheat flour!! and I would add, “So did I.” we’re all hippys here, we all used whole wheat flour.

    And now my famous pineapple skillet cake, which people clamor for, will be predigested?!? Oh no…

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    J R in WV says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    …make the cake kind of slimy and MSG-tasting.

    Oh, no. I am so screwed. And they’re a lot of work, PLUS cutting up that damm pineapple!!! I’ll have to taste it before I go. I had a premonition that hmmm, maybe I should just use this nice fresh fruit in the cranberry sauce? and carried on making that cake. Beat the first batter batch 1:30 minutes, then add the eggs 1/3 at a time every 20 seconds… just for example. Why didn’t Joy of Cooking tell me not to do this???

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    @J R in WV: Let us know how it turns out. Some time, very long ago, I made something with fresh pineapple and had a problem, but I can’t recall what it was. Definitely tasted strongly of MSG because of the protein hydrolysis.

    Good luck!

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Heading to my brother and sister-in-law house for a crab fest dinner. Fresh crab flown in from Alaska. Yummy

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @J R in WV:

    I just put that puppy into the oven

    Sick bastard.

    They are better fried.

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    Marcopolo says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Oh hush now, don’t tell other people how to prepare their puppies.

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    JR says:

    @Keith G: they would find our society insufficiently pious and would be especially appalled by the influence of the Catholics and the many heathen evangelicals

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