Open Thread: Palm Beach Thanksgiving Social Notes


In case you wanna tweak that one Trump-humping relative who can’t be left off the invite list. But who did he play with?….

Awww… just a potential getaway boat, then…

Secret Service agents, already disgruntled at having to work the holiday, calculate the odds on another “Donny Junior challenges Rebekah to arm-wrestling match, tries to persuade Daddy to nuke the Hamptons when he loses” incident…

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    NotMax says:

    Turkey, well done.

    With ketchup.

    Quasi-obligatory annual Turkey Day family horror show clip.

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    Baud says:

    I didn’t understand most of this post, but I don’t care.

    Merry Christmas, everyone.

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    debbie says:

    It is alarming that a Russian oligarch has moored alongside Trump’s bloated carcass. The Secret Service better stay alert.

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    Elizabelle says:

    The less presidentin’ he does, the safer we all are. Golf on, orange one.

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    Shameless self-promotion: I’m quoted on that ruthenium-106 leak by Oliver Carroll in The Independent.

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    debbie says:


    Happy Holidays, bub.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Merry Christmas, everyone.

    That does not start for another 36 hours, you bastard.

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    NotMax says:

    (Posted in wrong thread, thus repeated.)

    A 74th birthday shout out to Billie Jean King.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle: I object to having to pay him not to kill us all.

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    lgerard says:

    Interesting details of one of the Kumquat Kim’s many screw ups

    What Trump Really Told Kislyak After Comey Was Canned

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    Baud says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I see you took the intelligent approach used by David Anderson of not revealing your association with Balloon Juice.


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    Kay says:

    It really can’t be said enough- these people are assholes:

    The press secretary had enlisted the reporters’ help in mocking the purpose of the briefing; no information was conveyed from the White House to the public. She had shown who was boss: she could hold journalists to an arbitrary rule by making them offer thanks before asking a question, which diminished the journalists’ ability to hold her to the task of answering their questions. She reaffirmed that both the President and she herself lie easily and blatantly—as he did when he issued a “rhetorical response” on the U.C.L.A. students, and as she did at the beginning of the briefing, when she claimed to be thankful for the reporters in the room. By making them laugh when she said that, and when she mocked April Ryan, and when she called the forced ritual a “fun exercise,” she gave them a role in debasing their profession and the job of reporting on the White House. This is how it happens: the matter was trivial, the whole spectacle lasted all of sixteen minutes, and we were all the worse for it.

    Really, to a man or woman, they are personally mean-spirited, nasty people. It must be a job requirement.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Oh, great… how can you keep ‘me down on the BJ after they’ve been in The Guardian?

    Seriously, very cool!

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    NotMax says:


    Hau’oli Lā Ho’omaika’i.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Merry Christmas to you!

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    p.a. says:


    not revealing your association with Balloon Juice.

    We can really Moore a reputation/career…

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:


    Merry Christmas… ya filthy animal.

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    Kay says:

    I’m thankful for this piece, which could be titled “Mark Halperin ruined everything” :

    But I’m not here to talk about that. I want to talk about the deeper, subtler, more insidious effect Mark Halperin had on our politics — one which we’ll be paying for for years to come.

    Let’s all take a moment and be grateful his career is over. Damn shame that it took so long.

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    Emma says:

    @Kay: You cannot be humiliated in that fashion if you refuse to participate. The reporters were cowards.

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    Mary G says:

    @Kay: Dana Millbank in the WaPo has a good column addressing Sanders, listing a large number of the people resisting the administration.

    And I’m profoundly thankful that Trump and so many of his appointees have turned out to be incompetent, unable to implement some of his most dangerous ideas.

    In short, Sarah, I am thankful that a combination of brave people, brilliant Framers and dumb luck have prevented your boss from doing much worse.

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    TenguPhule says:



    Tens of thousands of people wanted by law enforcement officials have been removed this year from the FBI criminal background check database that prohibits fugitives from justice from buying guns.

    The names were taken out after the FBI in February changed its legal interpretation of “fugitive from justice” to say it pertains only to wanted people who have crossed state lines.

    What that means is that those fugitives who were previously prohibited under federal law from purchasing firearms can now buy them, unless barred for other reasons.

    After Trump was inaugurated, the Justice Department further narrowed the definition to those who have fled across state lines to avoid prosecution for a crime or to avoid giving testimony in a criminal proceeding.

    On Feb. 15, the FBI directed its employees in the Criminal Justice Information Services Division to remove all entries of fugitives from justice from the background check database and said that “entries will not be permitted” under that category until further notice. Before the FBI memo, there were about 500,000 people identified as fugitives from justice in the database — and all of those names were removed.

    Now there are 788.

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    germy says:

    British Movietone News

    Carving the turkey, 1930

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    Brachiator says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Shameless self-promotion: I’m quoted on that ruthenium-106 leak by Oliver Carroll in The Independent.

    Very cool!

    Makes me feel “smart by assoication.”

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Baud:Me either. Merry Christmas,!

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    Baud says:

    @TenguPhule: Makes sense after the Texas chuch shooting.

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    Betsy says:

    Details and photos of the Sea Owl. It sounds lovely, but I wish it belonged to someone deserving and not despicable.–325

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: whooo! all right!: )

    @Brachiator: What you said.

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    Brachiator says:


    Tens of thousands of people wanted by law enforcement officials have been removed this year from the FBI criminal background check database that prohibits fugitives from justice from buying guns.

    Words fail me.

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    Emma says:

    @Betsy: Meh. It’s exquisite but as my father often says, a boat you’re afraid to slop dead fish on it’s not really a boat.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud: Our country is clinically insane.

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    sharl says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Congrats, and well deserved! Hopefully the attention you helped to bring to this will motivate Russia to clean up its act. The lives most likely impacted will be those living in areas where the airborne concentrations are highest – regular Russian folks, who have been sucking in that isotope with every breath.

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    Mary G says:

    Some great wardrobe choices in this tweet. Hillary looks great. She is so tough.

    And on top of that, you can’t beat a little book signing wardrobe fun.— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) November 21, 2017

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    rikyrah says:

    They are lowlife scumbags- the entire lot of them

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    chris says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all. For those of you with those relatives I hope it’s peaceful too.

    My next door neighbour is a Christmas tree farmer so I can report that the first truckload of trees left here on Sunday bound for Boston. The second one left today. The trees will be on sale Friday morning so you got that to look forward to.

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    Merry Christmas, everyone.

    You know, we can say that now.

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    rikyrah says:

    The Everloving PHUCK😠😠😠

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    Baud says:

    @Mary G:

    She is so tough.

    Seconded. Shame to see so many Dems pandering to Hillary hate right now. Makes me think they won’t be able to stand up to real pressure.

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    Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California) says:

    I hope all you Jackals have a happy and healthy Thanksgiving. Don’t let any Trump supporting relatives raise your blood pressure TOO much.

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    Origuy says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: And the comments are filling up from the Putinists denying everything.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: You doing Thanksgiving tonight?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    That is incredibly awesome. Proud to know you, however virtually.

    (Autocorrect insisted that I meant “virtuously.” I insisted I did not. There’s very little of my BJ activity that can be categorised as “virtuous.”)

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    sharl says:

    Yeah, that could be.

    Matthew Yglesias‏ @mattyglesias

    People don’t realize it but Republicans are legitimately on the verge of passing this bill.

    Seung Min Kim‏ @seungminkim

    News: Murkowski says she supports repealing Obamacare’s individual mandate (h/t @TopherSpiro)

    People do realize it. They're exhausted.— #LeaveMeAlone (@prisonculture) November 22, 2017

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    debbie says:


    Christmas trees were on sale starting last week. I can’t imagine they’ll be okay in 33 days.

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    Baud says:

    @sharl: Plus it’s the holidays.

    Saw a poll that the House bill isn’t that unpopular.

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    trollhattan says:

    What’s the name of those Iranian shore-to-ship missiles everybody worries about? We’d like half a dozen, please, C.O.D. South Florida.

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    debbie says:

    Well, well, well. Joe Barton’s back in the news.

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    LurkerNoLonger says:

    @debbie: It’s not his back that’s in the news.

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    rikyrah says:

    They are giving the gun companies good customers

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    germy says:

    @rikyrah: guns are like cigarettes. Their consumers keep dying off, and so new customers are needed.

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    Kay says:


    So gross. The smug sanctimony – like anyone needs a “gratitude” lecture from this pack of lying thieves. She’s a bully too- they all are. With any luck someone will figure out a way to indict her for something- seems like there’s enough criminality in that administration to go around.

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    lgerard says:


    Yet another example of the “they were joking” defense

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    hope says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: noticed that – well done!

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    Betsy says:

    @Emma: Yeah. I like boats you can turn over and push your cousins and siblings off of.

    Boats so big that you don’t know you’re on water? Dad and I have no use for ’em.

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    Baud says:

    @Betsy: I’ll take it off your hands.

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    chris says:

    @debbie: Insane isn’t it? One guy in town has been selling since Hallowe’en. I used to sell trees when I worked at the garden centre and learned that there are people who do a tree in October and get a fresh one in December.

    ( A reasonably fresh balsam fir that is properly cared for will last six weeks or more. A friend keeps hers going for two months.)

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    Ohio Mom says:

    What happened with efg? He announced he was in rehab and coming back to comment and then..I haven’t seen him since.

    I’ve been very busy and I’m not getting to every thread. I just hope he hasn’t had a setback of some kind.

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    @Origuy: Thanks for pointing out the comments. I never read comments except here and at Nuclear Diner. Maybe a few other blogs. That comment chain is not too bad, but yeah it’s infested with Russian deniers.

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    sharl says:

    @Ohio Mom: He made a brief return appearance – he even got his own post a little less than two weeks ago, to commemorate his return – then disappeared again. I’ve been wondering about him too, and I hope/assume that his re-disappearance just means he is still recuperating and regaining his strength.

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    Betsy says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Very nice,. Cheryl. I so enjoy your knowledgeable columns here. Aren’t we lucky to have you!

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    Waratah says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: You spend a lot of time on your posts so I am happy to see you get recognition.

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    Mary G says:

    @Ohio Mom: As far as I know, he is back home and has commented a couple times that he’s resting up so unable to comment much.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @TenguPhule: LOL. My local pop stations have already switched to all Christmas formats. Arghhhh!

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @rikyrah: Remember guys, Trump is Strong On Crime. Also, Doug Jones is Weak. Though apparently only one of these people thinks wanted fugitives should be able to buy guns.

    @sharl: This is legitimately my own response. I’m really tired of being threatened on a daily basis by the Republicans, and I’m really really tired of the media being complicit and trying to make it sound like Republicans are making reasonable proposals that actually benefit the country, instead of taking Republican’s words at face value that it will help the poor and the economy.

    I’m really tired of having the health care of my friends and family threatened. And the internet getting threatened. And my immigrant friends being afraid they’ll be thrown out of the country. It’s exhausting and I don’t have the energy to fight these fuckers literally every day and still do my day job.

    That’s where big chunks of the rest of the country are as well.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ohio Mom: he got a better offer from a top-9,000 blog

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    dexwood says:

    This place has such an interesting and diverse group of front pagers. Let me take this opportunity to say thanks to all (commenters included) and Merry Thanksgiving. Off to make dinner.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    You may need to check your Republican-to-English dictionary. “Strong on Crime” means “Will keep Black and brown people down.” “Weak on Crime” means “N*-lover.”


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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Congrats!

    @sharl: I think we have done all we can do by contacting our Reps — especially Republican ones. Not sure what else we can do to resist. Republicans are going to do all they can to destroy this country for as long as Trump is in power. Sigh.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @TenguPhule: Guns above people. Guns above safety. Guns above common sense. The GOP = GUNS OVER PEOPLE.

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    Mary G says:

    The New Yorker has a great interview with Mavis Staples, who has a record coming out. It covers all kinds of things.

    Prince’s love for the Staple Singers, the legendary gospel group, was genuine and deep. He opened his last concert, a week before he died, with “When Will We Be Paid,” a gorgeous, denunciatory song off the family’s 1970 album, “We’ll Get Over.” The lyrics catalogue the labor of black Americans (“We have worked this country from shore to shore / Our women cooked all your food and washed all your clothes”). When Pops Staples performed it, he would recall his grandfather, who had been a slave in Mississippi. Prince recorded “When Will We Be Paid” in October of 1999. He sent the track to Mavis, and she took the song to her father. Pops, who would be dead in a year, asked excitedly if Prince had really recorded it. “Yes, sir,” she said.


    Any other regrets? “Regrets of my love life,” she said. Like Bob Dylan? In 1963, Dylan proposed marriage and she declined. “Well, wait a minute!” she said. “I’ve been married and I’ve been divorced. I had quite a love life when I was a young lady.”

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    So here’s something fun…I work for a federal government agency, and even though my job doesn’t involve dealing with classified or sensitive material, every year we have to take a short training on counterintelligence awareness – it’s basically a series of power point slides on warning signs that indicate someone might be a asset working for a foreign adversary. Half the West Wing and the guy in the Oval Office himself check ALL THE BOXES. Not just a couple, but all of them. And I’m not someone who ever interacts with those guys and has first hand or even second hand knowledge, all this is apparent just from following the daily news. So I’m supposed to be vigilant while a dozen Russian assets sit in the White House selling us out? It’s enough to make you laugh, or cry.

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    sharl says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I don’t really disagree with you on that, but I am surprised (and a bit worried) that @PrisonCulture is voicing a sense of exhaustion. As far as I can tell, she is a dynamo both online and in real life, not only in her main efforts to reform prison conditions and the lives of prisoners (hence her account ID), but on urgent matters that come up, like health care.

    I’m just hoping she’s only temporarily feeling a bit down, and that some holiday time off will rejuvenate her spirits, since she’s one of those folks who usually provides the encouragement for others.

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    Aleta says:

    Roman + family are not on board

    How about couriers?

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    germy says:

    @Mary G: She’s currently touring with Dylan. She still sounds great.

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    Aleta says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Well deserved.

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    Felonius Monk says:


    Merry Christmas, everyone.

    And Happy Holidays to you, Soon-to-be_President Baud.

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    matt says:

    boy, they really like making the press dance don’t they.

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    MomSense says:


    Merry Christmas? You’re worse than Bush, you sold us out!

    I thought you were our leader in the War on Christmas!!!

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    glory b says:

    @Ohio Mom: If no one else has chimed in, I saw efg at LGM, his post was yesterday or today, can’t remember which.

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    Mary G says:

    @germy: The lyrics they quote make me sure to get her album when it comes out.

    This life surrounds you
    The guns are loaded
    This a kind of tension
    Hard not to notice . . .
    Poor kid they caught him
    Without his license
    That ain’t why they shot him
    They say he was fighting
    That’s what we were told
    But we all know
    That ain’t how the story goes.

    She’s not too keen on Twitler.

    “He has brought so much hurt on us,” she said. “It seems that this man has brought a rebirth; the bigotry and hate has resurfaced through him.”

    What Trump and his Administration have wrought is reminiscent of the turbulence of her youth, Staples said: “We’ve gone all the way back to the fifties and the sixties. This is the President of the United States! He’s supposed to bring joy and light and love to the world. It’s all backwards, it’s backwards.”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mary G:

    I wish I could remember the story I heard her tell on NPR about the time she got pulled over by a racist cop in the 1960s and was very worried until Pops showed up and it turned out that the cop and his supervisor were HUGE fans.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @glory b:

    Yeah, we’re his second family over here. 😢

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    I blame a supine press corps for not shouting “not in this lifetime, you fucking pig – no access is worth this”, and stomping out.

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    tobie says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Yes, the saddest thing was that the press didn’t protest. It’s funny…I remember when the Obama administration in 2009 offered some vague criticism of FOX and the press stood united in their outrage. Ruth Marcus labeled the administration’s comments as a “hissy fit.” Susan Page complained that the Obama administration represented the greatest threat to the freedom of the press. And I can’t count the rest.

    By the way: why is Susan Page always treated as the dean of the DC press corp and a non-partisan journalist? In the past few days I’ve heard her lament that Hillary Clinton won’t shut up and erroneously declare that Trump won the popular vote; I’ve heard her excuse Roy Moore saying that he can get a pass like the President did. This evening she said that Mitch McConnell shouldn’t get involved in the AL senate race, as the decision belongs legitimately and exclusively to Alabama voters. What is wrong with this woman? Ideologically she’s the same as Hugh Hewitt with maybe a little less fire-breathing.

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    germy says:

    Christmas is about believing what a woman said about her sex life.

    Christmas is about a family finding safety as refugees.

    Christmas is about a child in need receiving support from the wealthy.

    Christmas is about God identifying himself with the marginalized not the powerful.

    — Carlos A. Rodríguez (@HappySonship) November 21, 2017

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    chris says:

    Damn it

    Two more women have told HuffPost that Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) touched their butts in separate incidents. These are the third and fourth such allegations against Franken in the past week.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) 23 November 2017

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    debbie says:


    She tells a great story about the time he proposed to her.

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    debbie says:


    If anyone’s around, here’s the interview with Mavis Staples (from Feb 2017 on NPR’s Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me).

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    MattF says:

    Happy almost turkey day. I’m on vacation, so posting a comment is a chore but I’ll be back next week probably

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    woodrowfan says:

    all those assholes’ yachts at anchor in one place. Where’s a group of Japanese aircraft carriers when you really need them??

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    tybee says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: way cool. congrats.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Roman Abramovich is actually quite famous to sportsball fans the world over — he owns the London club Chelsea FC, which thanks to his lavish financial support has risen to the European elite alongside Real Madrid and Bayern München. Indeed, the lavishness of his financial support has led to accusations that he bought Chelsea’s success for it, and to much stricter regulation by UEFA of clubs’ finances to prevent what is called “financial doping”.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Very deserved congratulations on that.
    I’m especially impressed that the Chernobyl/Gorbachev thought got cleanly inserted into the newspaper article. (In my very limited experience, the most interesting comment often gets the last sentence.)

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    J R in WV says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    If you don’t promote yourself, who will?

    Oh, wait, we will !!

    Congrats! and Happy Thanksgiving

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    Aleta says:

    @woodrowfan: ha. You’d think at least one of our allies would come to our aid.

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