Shep Smith Explains Uranium One

And he does a good job of it. For your rightwing relatives who want to “Lock Her Up.”

And the New York Times.

142 replies
  1. 1
    Bobby Thomson says:

    The errors of the Times are a product of malice, not ignorance.

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    Roger Moore says:

    And the New York Times.

    This can’t be said enough. FTFNYT.

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    NotMax says:

    “There is no there there.”
      – Gertude Stein

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    Emma says:

    How does he manage to tell the truth at Fox News? I’d have thought they would have bounced him out so fast his tochis would leave an imprint on the sidewalk.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Roger Moore: you looked much younger than i expected. Was very disappointed.

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    Yoda Dog says:

    @Emma: Yea, I have no idea how he is still employed there.

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    germy says:

    I wonder what Shep’s ratings are. Is he popular with the viewership? Is he actually changing minds?

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    No Drought No More says:

    It must be awkward around the time-clock when they all punch in. Then again, maybe not:

    “Fuck you, Smith, you fuck face”.

    “Good morning guys”.

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    Cermet says:

    Shep Smith is necessary for the fox news to have a fig leaf of credibility – this guy would be a stand out on any real news team; that he is at fox I really do believe is because he truly wants people that watch the fox channel to have one honest, accurate voice to hear. If he ever left, CNN and MSNBC would have a bidding war for his services – he is not just a class act, but a very good reporter in the ‘old school’ mold.

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    trollhattan says:

    Claire McCaskill had to avoid pervs on the Hill, too.

    Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said Tuesday that she was sexually harassed “more than once” when she interned on Capitol Hill more than 40 years ago.

    “I will tell you I interned here in college, and I was definitely sexually harassed as an intern in Congress back in the summer of 1974,” McCaskill told reporters on Tuesday, according to the Washington Examiner.

    McCaskill said she didn’t report the harassment and wouldn’t elaborate on if a staffer or lawmaker had harassed her, but said it “happened more than once from more than one person.”

    “It was something that I felt like I have to choose between my career and coming forward,” she said. McCaskill said that her colleagues in the Senate have been supportive, “but that doesn’t mean young people aren’t being victimized.”

    “I think what we’re doing now is we are turning a page in this country and hopefully empowering young people to realize just because the person who has treated you inappropriately has more power than you do, it will be OK if you come forward.”

    In a separate interview with NBC News, the former prosecutor said she learned to avoid situations where she might be cornered by a harasser. “When I was an intern, I learned to avoid elevators, because elevators were when you were captured. And so, after one unfortunate incident in the elevator, I began taking the stairs,” McCaskill said.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Cermet: So far what big name has left Fox that has ended up doing well on another network? Greta van Sustren (sp?) flamed out. Megyn Kelly isn’t doing well. Where did Gretchen Carlson end up? I saw she had a book. Does she have a show? O’Reilly’s doing his own show, right?

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    MazeDancer says:


    I wonder what Shep’s ratings are. Is he popular with the viewership?

    Have wondered this, too. I check his broadcast about once a week, usually just the top stories to see how he plays some big news. And he is consistently straight forward.

    Gives a smooth, well-reported, no slant news show. He will even take the wingiest Fox field stand-ups to task – in a very charming, sly Southern way – for any OTT lies. Generally by asking a leading question or something along the lines of “Was that exactly what happened?” all innocently.

    Maybe he goes all bonkers home team in the back half, I rarely get that far. But he seems to take the news business very seriously.

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    germy says:

    we’re looking forward to watching this tonight:


    Children of the Revolution

    Lupita Nyong’o, Carmelo Anthony and Ana Navarro investigate the political choices of their fathers, discovering a sometimes unexpected heritage as they trace their ancestry further back.

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    trollhattan says:

    @No Drought No More:
    It must be a fun time for Smith whenever Fox brings in somebody new.

    “Pssst, Shep, I saw nunchucks poking out of Tomi Lahren’s purse with your name carved on them. Watch out for the new girl!”

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    @No Drought No More: I mean, Krugman and Brooks have to live with each other…

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    raven says:

    @Yarrow: Carlson was on MSNBC and it was a real bummer how Rachel pushed her. She was fucking awful and they bagged her quickly.

    eta I think we mean Van Sustern?

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    pb says:

    Thank you, Cheryl. That was a clear & fairly concise explanation of the issue. Always good to be able to counter conspiracy theories with facts… if conspiracy theorists pay attention to facts.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    It’s an excellent show. Little did I know when I used to have breakfast at the same time as Skip Gates every morning at Naples.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    Shep Smith is not long for Fox News if he keeps trying to burst the bubble they’ve got around their viewer/acolytes.

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    jl says:

    @MazeDancer: How does that killjoy keep his job over there at Fox? I guess he’s the window dressing, or he has very interesting private photo files on Murdochs?

    @Miss Bianca: I don’t watch this kind of stuff enough to know for sure. But from clips i have seen, Smith has always provided some contrast. But now it is a chasm, and he’s not shy about calling out specific BS, and specifically not hiding fact he is talking about other parts of Fox News. So, I wonder how it will go.

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    Mart says:

    Thought this was the most complete story on Uranium 1. Need to read It is all About Access to Kazakhstan Uranium Production, That Dwarfs Ours

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    Baud says:

    And some of y’all thought I was going overboard calling the NYT garbage.

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    debbie says:


    Agreed. He’s Fox’s liberal beard, but one day, he will go too far and that will be it for him.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: Some commenter was promoting a virtual Baud 20120 run. You should be preparing for that.

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    vtr says:

    I remember reading a few months ago that this was not weapons grade material. Is that correct?

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    sharl says:

    From the finely honed mind of Rep. Louie Gohmert comes an extremely awesome and very colorful flowchart – attached to this tweet – which includes URANIUM ONE in a big ol’ screaming red box. Does Shep Smith have one of those? No, no he does not.

    IMPORTANT UPDATE: Here, care of Rep. Louie Gohmert's office, is the full chart he displayed at today's House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing.— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) November 14, 2017

    The reviews are rolling in; people are impressed!

    Comey, Mueller, Obama, and Obama State Department are each listed twice, so they MUST be sinister— HEY TWITȚER MAYBE GET RID OF THE NAZIS INSTEAD (@mumbly_joe) November 14, 2017

    Why does Comey appear twice, once as a yellow square and an other time as a grey oval. Help!— Matthew Feeney (@M_Feeney) November 14, 2017

    You get the idea…

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    Yarrow says:

    @raven: Yeah, Greta van Sustern was on MSNBC for a short while and flamed out. I thought Gretchen Carlson was also supposed to be on MSNBC but haven’t heard about that. I know she has a book. Megyn Kelly also went to the NBC family (what’s up with that?) and from what I hear her ratings are affecting the rest of the Today Shows before and after. I don’t think another big name has landed on another network.

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    Baud says:

    @jl: I got time.

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    sharl says:

    @sharl: Improvements are being made on the graphics by helpful citizens— G. Scott Shand (@GScottShand) November 14, 2017

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    Ocotillo says:

    @Yarrow: In general, you are right, once a personality leaves Fox they flounder in legitimate news organizations. The ones you mention were/are compromised hacks. Major Garrett has gone on to become White House correspondent for CBS so the curse did not hurt him so maybe Shep might be able to thrive elsewhere due to credibility?

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    Cermet says:

    @Yarrow: I’m saying he (Smith), unlike the stooges you named, has both the ability, smarts and honest approch to do well on any network. Not that any other fake news person could.

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    p.a. says:

    @Cermet: Or he has photos on Murdoch. Any other explanations why he’s still employed there?

    ETA: late to the table again…

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    jl says:

    @vtr: Uranium One is about foreign interest in a uranium mining company. So it is about getting it out of the ground.
    The whole thing is irrelevant to nuclear weapons. The US and Russia cooperate on sharing international sources of uranium for maintaining nuclear weapon stockpile. Completely separate supply chain. The deal never controlled a significant supply of uranium for US. The 20 percent number concerned mining capacity, not actual supply. Never economic for the US mine to produce anything near that capacity. The whole idea of any kind of national security issue is horsehit piled on top of cowflop, piled on top of Big Lies.

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    @sharl: That’s …amazing.

    @sharl: And that’s more amazing!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ocotillo: Yes, good point. I forgot about Major Garrett. Every time I see him I’m skeptical. I’m skeptical of anyone who chose to work at Fox and stayed there for any length of time.

    @Cermet: Perhaps. Or perhaps the Fox stench would follow him despite his skills and abilities.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @Roger Moore:

    And yet, the foundation of this thread is a clip from Fox News.

    It’s almost as if grown ups can recognize that there can be good things even on something as vile as Fox News and that there can be some problems with something good like the NYT.

    Probably too complicated a concept for some to grasp.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: ” I got time. ”

    OK. I guess the new Baud anti-procrastination program has gone better than expected.

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    cynthia ackerman says:


    It’s Baud(‘s brain)-in-jar, STILL CnC in 20,121 …

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    Chyron HR says:

    Good thing they think Hillary is the “Shadow President” of the “Clinton Administration” or they might realize that you don’t need to appoint a special counsel to persecute prosecute a a private citizen.

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    @vtr: It is uranium ore, to be sold only in the US. Far, far from weapons grade.

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    Cermet says:

    @p.a.: Good theory …(lol.)

    Since no US uranium can be exported without clearance from the US government, the issue of a russian company owning a US uranium mine is no more sinister than the fact that russian companies own steel mills (here in the US.) This is so over the top stupid, even the average fox viewer could grasp the basic concept if it was ever explained to them. That leaves out most thug congress ass wipes.

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    p.a. says:

    @Yarrow: she has Voldemort hands; they look freakishly long on teevee. maybe she should become a musician…

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    Duane says:

    How does a US representative sit on a judicial committee, berate the US Attorney General, and get away with his lies?
    Looking at you, Rep. Jordan(R-Liartown).

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    Also very good explanation from jl.

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    Ocotillo says:

    Also, off topic, while driving around the other day I observed an American flag flying half staff and thought to myself, who died? Then I recalled the Sutherland Springs church shooting was the reason the flags were at half staff. Now today, another school shooting has taken place it occurred to me that I wonder if our flag flies more at half staff than full staff in deference to our NRA betters?

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    trollhattan says:

    Boris, Natasha and Fearless Leader all step on their dicks at once, or are Flynn and Gorka working there now?

    Russia’s Ministry of Defence has posted what it called “irrefutable proof” of the US aiding so-called Islamic State – but one of the images was actually taken from a video game. The ministry claimed the image showed an IS convoy leaving a Syrian town last week aided by US forces.

    Instead, it came from the smartphone game AC-130 Gunship Simulator: Special Ops Squadron.

    The ministry said an employee had mistakenly attached the photo. The Conflict Intelligence Team fact-checking group said the other four provided were also errors, taken from a June 2016 video which showed the Iraqi Air Force attacking IS in Iraq.

    The video game image seems to be taken from a promotional video on the game’s website and YouTube channel, closely cropped to omit the game controls and on-screen information.

    In the corner of the image, however, a few letters of the developer’s disclaimer can still be seen: “Development footage. This is a work in progress. All content subject to change.”

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    p.a. says:

    @Ocotillo: The benefits we accrue from our Well Regulated Militias ™ make all the death and pain worthwhile.

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    Starfish says:

    @Cermet: He gives a fig leaf of credibility to a channel that has hired numerous people who have sexually harassed people on staff.

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    MomSense says:


    That chart looks like the government version of Candy Land. Makes no sense. No skill involved and no matter what you do you end up in Molasses Swamp or the Peppermint Forest. You can spend the whole game going in circles and never getting anywhere.

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    jl says:

    @cynthia ackerman: Baud is virtual. He needs to figure out how to download his virtual brain into a real one first before it can be plopped into a jar. He procrastinates about details like that.

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    p.a. says:


    Baud is virtual.

    Sadly, so is his support. And policies.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Chyron HR:

    Good thing they think Hillary is the “Shadow President” of the “Clinton Administration” or they might realize that you don’t need to appoint a special counsel to persecute prosecute a a private citizen.

    Jesus, that just gave me an honest to god shiver.

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    jl says:

    @MomSense: Didn’t use Lannigan’s patented Conspiracy Yarn.

    Andy Richter’s Conspiracy Theory Yarn

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    feebog says:

    Joy Reid did a much better version while verbally tap dancing on a RWNJ’s head. But Shep’s version is a solid 8.

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    Yarrow says:

    I guess local news will be phased out.

    FCC Eliminates Rule Requiring TV and Radio Stations to Have Local Studios — #WHCInsider— White House Insider (@whcinsider) November 14, 2017

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    Philbert says:

    Yay Shep, he called out Trump in a rant some months ago. Per the Uranium One website, and 90% of their production is in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic and a major uranium producer. Looks to me like Russia just wanted ownership of its traditional main supply.

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    artem1s says:

    Can Hillz just send this video to Session (or whoever replaces him) and tell them to FTHO?

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    Robert Sneddon says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Minehead output is usually “yellowcake”, purified U3O8 since it’s not cost-effective to ship raw ores typically with less than 1% uranium content any sort of a distance.

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    trollhattan says:

    Even “better,” Eyewitness news with Kara and Miguel, Dan with sports, traffic with chopper Bob and Meteorologist Sydney with the weather will all be replaced by out-of-state Sinclair lunatics.

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    bystander says:

    Ted Lieu practically called Sessions a liar. Sessions’ face flushed like crazy to have some Oriental guy call him names on teevee. Loved it.

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    lgerard says:

    Someone should tell Gohnert that the first word in “flow chart” is flow

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yes, Uranium One deal was not about US uranium. Their US holdings are mostly low grade and expensive to mine, which is why they are still in the ground.

    As has already been noted, the prize in the deal were the Kazakh uranium deposits, not the US deposits. Rosatom would almost certainly love to offload the US end of things if there was a buyer.

    What Shep Smith did not get to in his commentary was, what was Hillary Clinton’s motivation supposed to be? The money that was donated went to a charity that has been shown to be doing good works. It obviously did not go to her pocket.

    So in wingnutland, is Clinton supposed to have betrayed the US in order to feed and shelter the poor of the third world?

    How does this make a skerrick of sense? (rhetorical question, it makes perfect sense in a Trump universe)

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    JPL says:

    @MomSense: Somehow Holder talked to Obama who talked to Lynch but that is a dotted line so maybe it doesn’t mean talked to Obama but something more sinister.

    What do the dots mean?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @bystander: Well, Sessions is a liar. Lieu spoke truth.

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    MomSense says:


    That is hysterical!!! I should make some Lannigan’s conspiracy Yarn Scarves as a fundraiser.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Yarrow: Sinclair wants to consolidate all the “local news” in one place.

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    MomSense says:


    Poor Holder was trying to get to the White House but that damn Molasses Swamp messed him up. No wonder trump is having suc a hard time draining it. Molasses ain’t easy.

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    ET says:

    Has anyone seen the need to impeach commercial? Just saw it a few minutes ago. Interesting.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @Cermet: Why are they worried about Russia getting uranium anyway? I’m old enough to remember when the big issue was Russia properly accounting for all the uranium they already had but didn’t have any use for.

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    Baud says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    The money that was donated went to a charity that has been shown to be doing good works. It obviously did not go to her pocket.

    Fool! Don’t you realize that Hillary’s corruption is not constrained by quaint notions such as “evidence” and “reality”?

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    ‘HE HAS TO GO!!!’ Fox fans furious after Shep Smith blows up right-wing conspiracy about Uranium One

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    Nobody who needs to see this is gonna believe it anyways.

    The damage is done and it’s stuck in the psyches of those who will forever repeat it.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Baud: I should have realised this before. The Uranium One money must have been used to build the network of tunnels under Comet Pizza.

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    Brachiator says:


    I guess local news will be phased out.

    Sinclair would be the major beneficiary of this. They are expanding their media holdings and trying to acquire the Tribune Company. Their broadcast stations already slant the news so that viewers do not realize that their local stations are pitching propaganda.

    You can avoid Fox news. Not as easy to avoid your “local” tv station, newspaper or news site.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @bystander: I heard that quite recently talking to a Colored woman (Kamala Harris) also gave Sessions the vapors. Sessions must be wondering when the hell so many dark people got into his country and how they have the temerity to be calling themselves government officials and asking a good old boy like him questions.

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    Baud says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    Uranium is radioactive. The symbol for radioactivity is ☢. ☢ is also the shape of a . . . pizza pie!

    You. Need. To. Connect. The. Dots.

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    TriassicSands says:

    After watching the S. Smith video about Uranium One, I am convinced that this is the biggest scandal in the history of all creation. HRC is obviously a traitor and a criminal and should be executed immediately.

    Although Chris Wallace likes to pose as the voice of reason and fairness at Fox News, I’ve never been particularly impressed with him. He seems like a useful tool for Fox. On the other hand, the most impressive reporting I’ve seen coming out of Fox News has been from Smith. I don’t now and never have watched Fox News. I’ve seen many video clips and my opinions and impressions of Fox are based on those clips. I’ve seen quite a few in which Smith reports an issue fairly and accurately — the job of a journalist. After watching the Uranium One clip, I have to assume that Smith doesn’t care about his job and would welcome the opportunity to spend more time with his family.

    It’s too bad there isn’t a clip of Sean Hannity spewing bile about Uranium One to run along side the Smith clip.

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    les says:


    Looks to me like Russia just wanted ownership of its traditional main supply.

    Or the Canadian and US investors wanted in on profits from Kazak production. It’s just a fucking business deal among the greedy–Rethugs should love it.

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    Kay says:

    Whatever happened to Trump’s foundation? It was probably complete bullshit, right?

    On another note, why can’t we just have Medicaid for all? MediCARE for the oldsters because they need more and better health care anyway.

    Under 150% of poverty it’s free, over it’s a sliding scale with a cap. Pre-tax income. I don’t care if your employee buys it for you- then it can be “employer provided” for the health care snobs :)

    So easy! Is that why we can’t have it? We must have an incredibly complex system that requires experts to explain it?

    People love Medicaid. They don’t say it because they’re afraid you’ll all want it and take it from them.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: Outstanding example of virtual thinking. Thanks, Baud!

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Baud: Has anybody got this information to Louis Gohmert yet? He needs to know.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap: Shep Smith has always been a rational voice on Fox News. I assume he stays because of the $$$.

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    kindness says:

    Shep Smith probably goes home and showers again because he feels so dirty working there.

    God knows why he hasn’t gone else where to work.

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    RM says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    The money that was donated went to a charity that has been shown to be doing good works. It obviously did not go to her pocket.

    Considering what the GOP uses their charities for, I can see how they got confused.

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    TriassicSands says:


    Is he actually changing minds?

    The answer to that question is almost certainly “No.”

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    Brachiator says:

    OT. Even though it didn’t need to be put to a vote because polls showed that people favored it Australia voted overwhelmingly in favor of same sex marriage, 61 percent to 38 percent. All states and territories voted in favor.

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    Baud says:


    On another note, why can’t we just have Medicaid for all?

    1. Medicare for All proponents don’t want to give up their brand.
    2. Providers don’t want to settle for Medicaid reimbursement rates.

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    jl says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: Even more basic than that, is there a shred of evidence that HRC, or Bill, or Clinton Foundation had anything at all to do with the separate and independent multiple national security agencies’ review needed to approve the deal? I don’t think there is any evidence that she ever intervened at all in the State Dept review.

    I mean, there is less here than even n Benghazi. It’s about the same level of reality as the Pizzagate child sex/cannibalism ring in the non-existent basement.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    That’s too many words and too much darned talkin’. It don’t make no sense. I’m going with what Trump said.


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    Patricia Kayden says:


    Whatever happened to Trump’s foundation? It was probably complete bullshit, right?

    Trump doesn’t have a charitable bone in his body. Any foundation of his would strictly be for grifting wealthy friends/donors for his and his family’s benefit. Even when he promises to make a donation, he never follows through.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Brachiator: That was just the first phase of Operation Stick it to the Gays.

    Now the conservatives in parliament want to add “extra protections” in legislation for their religious bigotry before they will even consider the “non-binding postal survey” result.

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    Kay says:


    We can negotiate their rates. I wanted community health centers and then catastrophic insurance but no one wanted to go to my commie clinics and sit on plastic chairs, staring at the healthy eating posters. This is my compromise position. You can keep your doctor, although why you’re all so attached to your doctors I do not know. I have a very businesslike relationship with mine.

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    Msb says:

    I think Fox uses Shep as a fig leaf to cover their worst factfree excesses, and that they sometiomes roll him out to signal the end of one of these little episodes: “Oh, well, that whopper didn’t work, let’s try this shiny new one. Shep, will you sweep that old stuff out of the studio?”

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    @Robert Sneddon: True, although the Soviet Union shipped what I’ve heard called “concentrate” which is not U3O8, from the Kola Peninsula, and perhaps Central Asia, to Estonia for processing to yellowcake.

    They didn’t care about the economics, of course. But MolyCorp recently acquired the Silmet plant to process rare earths from California. I’m not sure what form their successor after their recent bankruptcy is shipping them in. A crude oxide would make sense.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    What Shep Smith did not get to in his commentary was, what was Hillary Clinton’s motivation supposed to be? The money that was donated went to a charity that has been shown to be doing good works. It obviously did not go to her pocket.

    If Roy Moore is any indication, since similar Reichwing non-profits are cash cows for their management, Reichwingnuts would certainly assume that the Left operates similarly – ergo, it obviously did go into her pocket because all the Reichwingnuts’ foundations already funnel their cash into their pockets.

    EDIT: I see RM beat me to it.

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    @SatanicPanic: Yeah. They sold a bunch of it to us, and it’s been providing about 10% of our electricity for the past decade.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @jl: It’s about damaging the Clinton brand and protecting the Trump brand.

    They spent 20+ years trashing Clinton’s name until it became toxic to the mentally challenged. It worked. Since this feeds directly into and reinforces the Hitlery meme, they expect this to work too.

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    Yarrow says:


    2. Providers don’t want to settle for Medicaid reimbursement rates.

    Yeah. It’s not always that easy to find a doctor who takes Medicaid. We’d be talking about reductions in salaries for many doctors and that might not go over well. Has to be phased in with other things to offset it. Maybe medical school loan relief for doctors who take Medicaid patients for X years or something.

    I’m not that keen on single payer. I prefer the system where health insurance providers are regulated like utilities and everyone picks their level that they want to buy. Baseline requirements, poorer people are subsidized so everyone’s covered. And decouple it from employment. That’s the worst thing about our whole system. So many people get their health insurance via employment that those of us who don’t are “outside” and it’s hard to convince those “inside” that the system doesn’t work. If everyone had to buy it on the open market it would get fixed much more quickly.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Same here. I have a closer relationship with my auto mechanic.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Brachiator: That’s wonderful to hear. The world is moving forward and Evangelicals everywhere are losing that battle.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:


    the Left operates similarly

    I hope to be forgiven for pedantry, but the “Left” is alt-right message framing that Democrats and Independents have fallen in to.

    The “Left” is a tiny rump that barely exists. What the Right calls the Left is actually the Centre.

    Hillary Clinton is an unremarkably centre-right politician.

    If Orwell taught us anything it is not to allow your opponent to define you. Words have power.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    Hillary Clinton is an unremarkably centre-right politician.


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    Davebo says:

    Obviously Clinton succeeded where Trump failed in bringing back those mining jobs!

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    Baud says:

    @SatanicPanic: When you plot all political ideologies across time and space on a line, we are all considered Center Right.

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    Yarrow says:


    You can keep your doctor, although why you’re all so attached to your doctors I do not know. I have a very businesslike relationship with mine.

    Count yourself lucky and have some sympathy for people who have searched and searched for a doctor who listens to them whose medical approach works for them. Who finally find that doctor only to have the new insurance say “out of network,” which raises costs significantly.

    Maybe you and your family are healthy and without any unusual medical issues, but not everyone is that lucky. Having to find another doctor can be a serious issue for many people. It means starting over, explaining your health issues, begging for them to treat you with this medication not that medication because you’ve tried that one and it doesn’t work for you and NO you don’t want to have to try it again thank you very much. That sort of thing doesn’t mean your relationship isn’t “businesslike” but it does mean you don’t have to go through a bunch of hoops and possibly spend months feeling crappy again just so New Doctor can feel like they’ve Done Something.

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    different-church-lady says:


    You can keep your doctor…

    …but only if you promise to feed him and clean out his box every day.

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    trollhattan says:

    Remember y’all, when robo-calling subterfuge in the South, it helps to make sure the fake caller sounds Jewy.

    “Hi, this is Bernie Bernstein, I’m a reporter for The Washington Post calling to find out if anyone at this address is a female between the ages of 54 to 57 years old willing to make damaging remarks about candidate Roy Moore for a reward of between $5,000 and $7,000 dollars,” the voice message said, according to WKRG. “We will not be fully investigating these claims however we will make a written report. I can be reached by email at, thank you.”

    These people.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @Baud: ah, I see. Well then, Praise the Reagan!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    So in wingnutland, is Clinton supposed to have betrayed the US in order to feed and shelter the poor of the third world?

    You have to understand, to the Republican Party, wanting to help poor people in the United States means you’re a “social justice warrior” who needs to be stopped by any means necessary, up to and including conspiring with Russia to stop you from being elected.

    Now triple that hatred for people who want to help impoverished non-Americans.

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    different-church-lady says:


    “Hi, this is Bernie Bernstein, I’m a reporter for The Washington Post…

    Knock it off, Doug J.

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    Kay says:


    Mine retired and I was like “oh, thank God. Now I can start over and try to develop some kind of relationship with this person” because everyone else seems to have one. The only real conversation we ever had was where he told me avoiding medical care is as crazy as hypochondria but in the other direction, which makes sense to me so I vowed to do better.

    That’s it. One conversation. 20 years.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I’m kind of annoyed with my doctor right now, because she forgot to get me a referral to an orthopedist for my sprained knee, but I don’t want the hassle of finding a new one.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Kay: I once had some kind of major infection/cold/pneumonia/fever/whatever running through my system for three weeks. The doctor examined me, asked me a few questions, and concluded by saying, “Well, I wish I could help you.”

    And I’m like…


    Well, yes, there is something you could do to help me. AT LEAST TELL ME WHAT THE HELL I HAVE!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Kay: If you only have one doctor you are lucky. Some people have issues that require more than one doctor. And then there are people who are in the middle of treatment for something. Maybe something major like cancer treatment. January rolls around and their current doctor, hospital, treatment center is suddenly out of network or the treatment isn’t covered. They have to work to find another one, figure out how their treatment fits into their new insurance. It’s a mess. Meanwhile their stress rises and their health suffers.

    Honestly, questioning why people want to keep their doctors is done from a place of privilege. If you’ve never had to deal with it count yourself lucky. At least use your imagination to see why it might be important to other people.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Whatever happened to Trump’s foundation? It was probably complete bullshit, right?

    It was. Last I heard, IRS fined it for being a bullshit foundation and NY was investigating to see if any charges would be filed.

    Naturally, the media has stopped following this in favor of more emails from Hillary and the views of Trump supporters.

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    cynthia ackerman says:



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    Annie says:


    Relationship with doctor — find one you like working with. I’ve been going to the same primary doctor for 18 years now — a woman, slightly younger than I am. I have assorted health issues (non-fatal chronic stuff) and she’s been helpful, and kind, and has leveled with me when she isn’t sure what’s going on and needs to order other tests, refer me elsewhere, etc. She’s also been honest, though kind, about habits I should change to help with these things. If — or I guess I should say when — I have a desperately bad health issue I know I can trust her. That means a lot to me.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Mnemosyne: That might be the office staff and not the doctor herself. Call the office and tell them the doctor was to refer you to an ortho and ask why that hasn’t happened. Things slip through the cracks.

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    patrick II says:

    It is implicit in the tone of much of the criticism that giving to the Clinton foundation somehow dicey and the Clintons benefit personally. They do not take a penny. The foundation and the good work it does is never discussed as it does work to support many excellent causes such as fighting AIDS in Africa, climate change initiatives, fighting poverty, and other iniatives. It was given the highest grade as a charity by both the Charity Navigator and Charity Watch, despite republican efforts to dirty its reputation. If they could feel shame for harming a worthwhile charity for political gain they would but are incapable of doing so.

    The Trump foundation by contrast was a scam set up by a con man to make a profit. Where the hell is further public investigation of that?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    That’s pretty much the lamest attempt at a fake Jewish name I’ve ever seen. And I’m pretty sure it was “inspired” by the name of the only Jew the caller had ever heard of, the senator from VT.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    Hillary Clinton is an unremarkably centre-right politician.

    That’s fine by me. Trump is objectively evil.

    What else you got?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I’m actually pretty sure the doctor forgot, because I went in for a follow-up and she said, “What did the orthopedist say?” and I said, “I never got a referral to the ortho,” and she was like, “Uhhhh …”

    She blamed her staff, but I suspect it was her. She’s in solo practice, so she gets a little frantic sometimes.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Remember, VBV is Australian, so our whole system is to the right of his, even though we have gay marriage and they don’t.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah, the doctors can space out on stuff too. You have to stay on top of them. If you discussed a referral to the ortho and didn’t get one next time call and tell the staff you’re supposed to have one. They’ll check with the doctor and you’ll get one.

    I always take a notepad with questions and write everything down. I’ve stopped doctors from leaving because I haven’t finished all my questions. I wish I didn’t know so much about how to handle doctors but that’s what happens when you see them too much.

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    Ken says:


    It’s just a fucking business deal among the greedy–Rethugs should love it.

    After all, who could object to closer business ties with Russia?

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    ding7777 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:Trump has the authority to unwind the deal if National Security was at stake.

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    Brachiator says:

    @patrick II:

    It is implicit in the tone of much of the criticism that giving to the Clinton foundation somehow dicey and the Clintons benefit personally. They do not take a penny.

    It really doesn’t matter. It’s a non issue. Even if there were any issue, it would not be a federal matter.

    The problem is that you have a petty, petulant moron in the White House trying to abuse his power on petty vendettas. Worse, you have a Republican Congress too cowardly to tell this idiot president to back off.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Worse, you have a Republican Congress too cowardly to tell this idiot president to back off.

    Back off? Two dozen of them want him to charge faster.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @RM: @Yarrow: Times 17.3.84 bb speech malreported Africa rectify

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    Yarrow says:

    @boatboy_srq: What does this mean?

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    Brachiator says:


    Back off? Two dozen of them want him to charge faster.

    Cowards and villains.

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    quakerinabasement says:

    Surprisingly straightforward and fact-based. Good job, Shep!

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    PST says:

    On the uranium issue, it is also worth noting that the advanced nations do not build nuclear weapons using uranium. To the best of my knowledge, they are all based on plutonium-239 and have been for decades. We have so much of that excess of any conceivable need that we shut down production in the 1980s. So the implication that the Uranium One issue has something to do with military readiness is false.

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    J R in WV says:


    There is a guy who need to be impeached, indicted, and imprisoned.

    The FCC guy.

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    J R in WV says:


    Freedom for all is never off topic!! Congratulations to Australia and all the freedom loving Aussies down under! And thanks!!

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    @PST: Uranium is also used in modern nuclear weapons. But the US and Russia both have excesses of enriched uranium and plutonium because they have been downsizing their stockpiles from a total of about 60,000 weapons down to aroung 17,000.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:
    What Smith reported doesn’t fit the narrative that some moron completely manufactured out of thin air and bullshit so it must be wrong.

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    Ken says:

    @Yarrow: 1984 reference, in the form of the Newspeak directives received by Winston Smith at Minitrue. The English would be roughly “The Times of March 17 mis-reported Big Brother’s speech involving Africa, fix quotes.” The real meaning is “The government statement about Africa back in March has turned out to be incorrect. Change the records so it appears the government was right.”

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    Robert Sneddon says:

    @PST: There are several nuclear weapons designs used by, among others, Pakistan that have a highly-enriched uranium (HEU) core rather than Pu239. There is also a military need for HEU to fuel modern submarines. Using HEU means the reactor can be fuelled once for the operational lifetime of the submarine, about thirty years or so. The alternative is to use lower enrichment levels in the reactor but have to take the submarine out of service for a couple of years during a major refit to cut it in half to replace most of the reactor core and systems. It’s cheaper and more effective to go the HEU route although it’s a trickier engineering proposition.

    I’m not sure if the new Ford-class aircraft carrier reactors are also fuelled with HEU for similar reasons but there’s more working space in an aircraft carrier and it might be possible to refuel them in a normal mid-life refit.

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