REPUBS IN DISARRAY! Open Thread: When Did Mitch McConnell Turn Anti-Child-Molestor?

I don’t remember him having a problem with Denny Hastert, although of course Hastert wasn’t “his” responsiblity…

Trump spoke with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell from Asia last week, and the Senate leader made an urgent plea: Please help push Moore out of the contest. On Monday, as a new female accuser emerged, the Republican leader discussed the Alabama situation with White House chief of staff John Kelly and Vice President Mike Pence. The conversation centered on tax reform, but the Senate Republican leader also proposed a dramatic idea: that Sessions run as a write-in candidate or be appointed to the seat he held for two decades.

White House officials plan to convene a meeting to talk through their options soon, and Trump is widely expected to address the predicament publicly when he returns from abroad. In order for the president to get involved, some aides to the president say, he would need an airtight plan that limits his political exposure to any fallout.

It’s a vexing call for Trump. If he tries to pressure Moore out of the race, as some people close to the White House expect him to do, there’s no guarantee that the candidate will oblige. During the GOP nomination battle, Trump aggressively backed Moore’s opponent, appointed Sen. Luther Strange…

Since the allegations surfaced on Thursday, the White House has been quietly examining its options. Counselor Kellyanne Conway has been in touch with Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey’s office to discuss possible paths forward. And political director Bill Stepien has spoken with Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel.

On Tuesday, the RNC withdrew its support from Moore…

(But not till Tuesday. Keep that in mind, for future use.)

Anyways, ol’ Roy ain’t going without a fight…

The pushback’s gonna be very… well, entertaining for us Democrats, if we can bear to watch:

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    Ken says:

    I’m sure Trump will handle this will all the delicacy and finesse we’ve come to expect.

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    Mark K says:

    Sessions tell today when answering Rep. Nadler’s questions: After Nadler asked him (re: Wikileaks ) if he talked to the FBI ‘No”, Trump Campaign? “No” A member of Congress? “Well, uh, dipdib, uh um, you mean uh”

    My guess? He told Chaffetz who leaked it and thats why he had to resign.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    If Moore wins he brings utter ruin to the GOP.

    If he loses they simply stagger on with the current bucket of anvils tied around their necks. I thought they won recently, right? Don’t seem like it.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Ken: win

    Trumpov knows on an instinctive level that Moore’s base and his base have about a 99% overlap.

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    lamh36 says:

    Repost from last thread:

    remember the conversation we had about Roy Moore and his wife and the age difference? Well lookey here… Roy Moore’s wife Kayla was in the SAME class as the latest accuser…Mrs Young!

    More Daniel Dale Retweeted WilliamThornton
    Roy Moore’s wife Kayla was a classmate of accuser Beverly Young Nelson…

    Looks like some smart reporters were looking at the same thing I was…

    Following Following @ddale8
    Moore wrote in his 2009 book that he met wife at a church Christmas party after having spotted her, in some way, “many” years earlier. She told Breitbart this week that they met at Bible study.

    Notice too…Moore and the wife changing the story of how they met…

    Here’s the article:

    Roy and Kayla Moore have been married 32 years and have four grown children. But how did their relationship begin?

    Oh wait… I had to verify that. He first saw her when she was a teen at a dance recital. He was smitten. Met her again when she was 23, and started off the convo “haven’t I seen you somewhere before?”
    WTH was a grown man doing at a teen’s dance recital?

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    lamh36 says:

    Sounds to me like KKKLannity is trying to stop the advertisers from jumping ship!

    Follow Follow @brianstelter
    Sean Hannity breaking with Roy Moore: “For me, the judge has 24 hours. You must immediately and fully come up with a satisfactory explanation for your inconsistencies… You must remove any doubt. If you can’t do this, then Judge Moore needs to get out of this race.”

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    So basically Moore is to crazy for the Republicans? Seriously?

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    PhoenixRising says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    If Moore wins he brings utter ruin to the GOP. If he loses they simply stagger on with the current bucket of anvils tied around their necks.

    And yet we are all chipping in our pennies for Doug Jones. Because the notion that Alabama might choose Bob Ewell when the alternative is Atticus Finch is disgusting even if my political agenda is served by it.

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    jl says:

    ” You thought the Second Amendment-loving, “socialized medicine”-hating Moore was a conservative? Nonsense, says the desperate @FDRLST: ”

    The ‘No True Conservative’ should replace ‘No True Scotsman’.

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    lamh36 says:

    BWHAHAHAHAH…look at this dude running down the stairs just to get away from the reporter asking about Roy Moore!!!

    Asked whether he believes Roy Moore over his accusers, Rep. Mo Brooks tells @TomLlamasABC, “I believe the Democrats will do great damage to our country.”

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    NotMax says:

    An endorsement which on its own is enough reason to avoid the brand.

    As Hannity fans posted videos of themselves smashing their Keurigs, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out an alternative on Monday: Black Rifle Coffee Co., which brands itself as a gun-loving, politically conservative business, The Salt Lake Tribune reported .

    Black Rifle CEO and Army veteran Evan Hafer said he values family, the U.S. Constitution and the Second Amendment. He wants to grow the 90-employee company to provide jobs for veterans and first responders.

    He said the company now roasts about 1 million pounds of coffee a year and he’s about to ink a deal with a private equity firm that will help it create franchises.

    “If you love the United States, if you love the Constitution and you love the American war fighter, I’m the f—ing coffee that you need to be drinking,” he says. “If you don’t, there’s plenty of other options.” Source

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    PhoenixRising says:

    @lamh36: Moore coached his little sister’s softball team, which seems to have been how a lot of these connections happened. I mean, aside from the mall’s Santa display and the hallway in family court.

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    tobie says:

    I don’t know if a write-in campaign would work but it wouldn’t be surprise me in the least if McConnell wasn’t as eager as the Trump team to have Sessions back in the Senate and out of the DoJ. McConnell and Co would love to have a new AG appointed to oversee the Mueller probe, not because they like Trump, but because the probe is bad for their brand. These people are power hungry.

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    dmsilev says:

    In order for the president to get involved, some aides to the president say, he would need an airtight plan

    I’m sure this will go just fine.

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    Open thread?

    I got to the end of my novel! I got to write THE END and everything!

    Now it needs some minor restructuring, lots of tightening, and a few big cuts, then a once-over for voice, and it’s ready for readers. But for now I get to feel good about myself!

    On to nagging myself about the webcomic now, because I have to be mad at me for something 🙄🙄

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    dmsilev says:

    @NotMax: What, do they roast the beans on top of a hot gun barrel and then smash them to a grind with the butts? Or shoot the beans from the rifles at some hard target? (roast and grind in one easy step!)

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    lamh36 says:

    @PhoenixRising: ugh…perfect for the type of predator Roy Moore apparently was then…ugh…

    Also too, Roy Moore’s wife was in the same class as the latest accuser Mrs Young… Adam posted their pics in the previous thread…and mahn…they look ALOT alike!!!

    I was asking almost soon as the story came out what the age difference was between Roy Moore & his wife…guys like young Roy Moore don’t usually just end their predilection just randomly…ugh…

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @dmsilev: Donald’s idea of an “airtight plan” has got to be the Hindenberg at Lakehurst.

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    manyakitty says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Wow! That’s huge! Congratulations on delivering your baby!

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    guachi says:

    I’ve said before that three accusations came two weeks too soon. The Republicans will be able to push Moore our in the next week and then run a write in candidate for the last three weeks and take the seat.

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    dmsilev says:

    Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Sessions resigned in order to run (as a write-in) for the Senate seat, Moore stuck to his guns, Doug Jones won, and then Trump couldn’t get a replacement AG in because now even half of the Senate GOP hate him, not to mention all of the Democrats?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Trump is not going to lift a finger against Moore. He has no power or leverage to do that. And he has nothing to gain by trying. Aside from the risk of alienating the base he and Moore have in common, Moore would just ignore him and make him look weak.

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    NotMax says:


    Second hand artillery from Quaker Oats?


    Even as a child, the combining of Quakers and guns as a sales tool created a boggling disconnect.

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    LurkerNoLonger says:

    @guachi: from what I understand it’s too late to get Moore off the ballot. If they push a write in candidate that would split the republican vote and give Doug Jones a win. By the way this is my preferred outcome.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    How? Moore won the primary fair and square.

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    @manyakitty: Thanks! It’s a huge baby too, lol. I know where to cut though for the most part.

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    dmsilev says:

    @guachi: It’s not clear to me how anyone can ‘push’ Moore out if he doesn’t want to go. He’s on the ballot, and that’s set. Sure, they can stop sending him money and other support, but that’s not quite the same thing. What am I missing?

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    GregB says:


    Apparently making a list.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Since the Koch’s are in the post, can someone explain to me the wisdom of not only pushing for a tax cut package that bones big blue states (even CA sends a bunch of Republicans to the House; see Nunes, Devin) but also now pushing a package that fucks the insurance companies (eliminating the individual mandate)? Do they want to pass a bill or not?

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    dmsilev says:

    @NotMax: Amusingly enough, there is such a thing as a ‘Quaker gun’ or ‘Quaker cannon’. It’s basically a bluff, a piece of wood or something painted to look like a cannon, to try and convince your opponent that you’ve got more artillery than you actually have.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    I thought they won recently, right? Don’t seem like it.

    I’ve spotted your mistake. It turns out that they cheated, and their samples are in the lab right now being verified. Here’s hoping they all get Armstronged (as in Lance Armstrong).

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    randy khan says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    That is excellent. That moment when you get to the end of a big piece of writing, even if there’s still work to do, is so satisfying.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Hooray! I’m hoping to do the same right around December 1st.

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    randy khan says:


    I’ve said before that three accusations came two weeks too soon. The Republicans will be able to push Moore our in the next week and then run a write in candidate for the last three weeks and take the seat.

    That worries me some, too, but Moore is just stupid and stubborn enough to stay in the race until the bitter end.

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    NotMax says:


    A frequent stop during blog surfing before the death of its creator was the sharp, informative and clear-eyed The Quakers’ Colonel.

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    lgerard says:

    Judging from Roy’s speech tonight there is no way he is going anywhere

    We are inching closer to peak wingnut

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Congratulations, 4M! You going Amazon KDP or KDP Select or some other method?

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    @randy khan: Thanks!

    @Mnemosyne: Gonna do all that and have brunch? Ambitious.

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Gonna try dead tree first, probably a local publisher, until I get sick of waiting. I have a few contacts.

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    lgerard says:


    Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out an alternative on Monday: Black Rifle Coffee Co

    trump jr is doing product placement just like the Kardashians now?

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    TenguPhule says:

    Madness and Despair to our enemies!

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    dmsilev says:

    @lgerard: The Kardashians are classier.

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    NotMax says:


    Willing to wager not gratis.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Being on a train for 9 hours with no wi-fi is going to help a LOT.

    I had to go get a massage tonight because the muscle in my back that likes to go into spasm when my carpal tunnels are acting up went into spasm yesterday. The massage place was seriously no-frills, but the massage therapist knew her stuff. I’m probably going to go back again next week because I’ll be sore again and it was $50 including a $10 tip.

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    This is horrible. I’m going to bed.

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    @Mnemosyne: Good deal!

    Hope you get your window seat! I think I’m going to try one of those overnight sleeping pod buses next year to get to LA for a wedding.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: @dmsilev: They’re pretty much who you think they are. A bunch of obnoxious former mid grade NCOs. I’d post a link to their youtube page with their various advertising and other videos, but they’re really bad in all elements of the term.

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    jonas says:

    @dmsilev: I think the idea is to get Moore to informally withdraw — “suspend the campaign” — and give time for another Republican to mount a write-in campaign. That might work, but it also might just blow everything up as Moore’s embittered supporters decide to burn everything to the ground rather than vote for a consensus Republican (which, in Alabama, still means eye-searingly batshit insane, but not w/o all the molestation accusations). Then we just may get Jones.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    No effete French roast, I take it? Didn’t look (and don’t care to) whether or not they happen to be based in MOAB.


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    tobie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Cheezus….doesn’t anyone check his tweets? This is awful…especially for the families of those shot in Northern CA today.

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    NotMax says:

    @Major Major Major Major

    Carcharodon Corporatelawyerus?

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    dmsilev says:

    @jonas: So, they need Moore to cooperate then.

    This will be amusing to watch.

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Too crazy for the Republicans this year. Moore’s not an outlier, he’s just a bit ahead of his time.

    You can expect a whole crop of kiddy-diddling candidates in the next couple of election cycles.

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    Jon Marcus says:

    So what are the odds Moore gets elected and then the Repubs rise up in “righteous anger” and throw him out? And get Strange or Sessions put in by Alabama’s governor. They’d need what…19 R senators to go along? Would they be able to scrap together that many? McCain, Gardner, McConnell, Collins, Murkowski and Flake are easy. Corker? Heller, trying to cover his ass? Paul? Burr & Tillis both withdrew support, would they go along? Could they get to 19?

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    Calouste says:

    @lgerard: Moore is trying to get a big fat check. He ain’t gonna drop out for free. 8 figures is my guess.

    And then 27% of the Alabama Republicans willl still vote for him anyway.

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    NotMax says:

    Pluto was stripped of its designation as a planet.

    Permit us please a vote to strip Alabama of its designation as a state.


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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jon Marcus:

    They’d need what…19 R senators to go along?

    Fuck that 19 R bullshit. They need to bring the muscle and have D’s agree at the end for concessions. If it is not at least 1:1 then D’s need to tell the GOP they are stuck with him on their team.
    If Moore wins I actually don’t see why the D’s would help them in any way.

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    Suzanne says:

    D&C was today. Doctor asked if I had any questions, and I said that, at this point, I could probably just do it to myself already. All the nurses said, “Ohhhhh.” And then I came home and got sick. Oddly, I feel so much better. It’s over and I don’t have to worry anymore. Spawn is home, and she went back to school today, and it seems like it went well. A friend from school confided in her that he had also spent some time in a behavioral hospital, which helped her feel less weird about it. And she starts her intensive outpatient program tomorrow. She cried last night because she misses the friends she made at the hospital already. She described how, around them, she felt like she didn’t have to pretend that she wasn’t hurting, the way she feels she has to with her friends from school. So we are looking for some kind of peer support group that she can attend after the outpatient program is over.

    I will look for a therapist for myself next week. I have gained weight this year—been eating my feelings, and I cut back on workouts because I didn’t want to spend time away from my Spawns. But I miss weight training. I found a place that does kickboxing classes nearby, and I might try it. I have aggression I need to get out, and fuckin’ Zumba doesn’t do it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: And he’s not even arrived and had jet lag hit yet.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @NotMax: Ha! My son and I were discussing Pluto just this evening.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Trump looked like a dead zombie garbage bag of shit getting off that plane tonight. He has no idea what is reality right now.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Suzanne: Let me know where you’re at and I’ll check and recommend a good aikido dojo if you’re interested.

    And still keeping good thoughts for you and Spawn.

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    eemom says:

    Moore will win and they won’t expel him. #jussayinzall

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Your local NAMI chapter should have peer support groups if the hospital doesn’t have any they can recommend. And kickboxing is always a useful skill. 😈

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    @Suzanne: well that all sounds pretty hopeful.

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    NotMax says:

    Just occurred to me (slaps forehead) –

    Teenage girls often keep diaries…

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    lgerard says:


    This is the dilemma . Even if they force Roy out, enough crazies will write him in. With the split vote and the handful of sane republicans throwing up their hands and staying home. the good guys have an excellent chance of wining.

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    afanasia says:

    @NotMax: I’d be delighted to replace them with Puerto Rico. Although many of the Puerto Ricans might not be quite so delighted.

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    @Major Major Major Major:
    Finishing a book is an amazing thing. When it’s your first book, it’s a validation that goes right to the bedrock of your identity. For later books, it is always the conclusion of an odyssey.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Thank you. I am trying to not be hopeful so I don’t get disappointed—I am still in the “hope is stupid” mindset—but I am definitely doing better today.

    Congratulations on the book. That’s an amazing accomplishment.

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    @Jon Marcus:

    And get Strange or Sessions put in by Alabama’s governor.

    I’ve yet to hear evidence that Sessions is willing. It’s quite hard to know what’s going through Sessions’ head right now, but the last time Trump told him to resign, Sessions gave him the middle finger.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Suzanne: That all sounds positive. Glad things are moving forward.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Congrats! That’s a great accomplishment.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Also, it may be too soon to read this for both you and Spawn, but bestselling YA author Neal Shusterman’s son suffered a psychotic break when he was 15 and spent the next couple of years in and out of psychiatric hospitals. When he was finally in a good place, Shusterman wrote a novel called Challenger Deep that explores what it’s like from the inside to experience mental illness. (He wrote it with his son’s permission and assistance, FWIW.) I have it on my to-read pile, but it won a stack of awards when it came out.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Yarrow: I am trying to switch from eating my feelings to shopping my feelings. I asked my husband to get me a pearl necklace and then realized that I had to specify that I meant jewelry.

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    @Frankensteinbeck: not the first that I’ve finished, but the first I consider mature/fully realized.

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    NotMax says:


    Also too, “The Eden Express” by Kurt’s son, Mark Vonnegut.

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    Millard Filmore says:


    Asked whether he believes Roy Moore over his accusers, Rep. Mo Brooks tells @TomLlamasABC, “I believe the Democrats will do great damage to our country.”

    Ok, that tears it. Democrats will do great damage? Like Democrats are completely unable to contribute to the health and progress of this country. With this attitude anything is permitted to keep them out of power. Even up to treason.

    How many Rs did not accept Obama’s birth certificate? How many put any effort into quashing that controversy? Obama was born in the USA because the appropriate state agency SAYS he was born here. Anyone that does not accept that does not believe in our system of government.

    They say Black Lives Matter is a hate group. Like complaining about police shooting your friends and family in the back is a subversive activity. Republicans are destroying this country.

    They are traitors. I’m with Villago Delenda Est. Tumbrels or wood chippers.
    Wipe them out.
    All of them.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Maybe when Spawn is a little older. I think she’s barely into her teens right now.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Suzanne: LOL. At least you have your sense of humor.
    And I feel you on this:

    I am still in the “hope is stupid” mindset

    I gave up on hope last year when it let me down too many times. These days I want concrete action or nothing. I get where you’re coming from.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Millard Filmore: Alabama Republicans officials are on record saying they’d rather have Putin or Satan as their Senator before a Democrat.

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    NotMax says:


    “Vote Satan. Better the devil you know.”

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    @NotMax: he wasn’t such a bad guy, you know.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m not really a jewelry girl. I can see why he needed clarification.

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    frosty says:

    @Suzanne: What with all the miscarriages I sat in the waiting room for more than our share of D&Cs. I feel like we coulda told the docs the same thing you did. Best wishes for an easy recovery. And best wishes for the spawn, too. We had dyslexia and ADD issues to get through with ours but they both turned out to be great young men. I hope time and therapy get you to the other side too.

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    frosty says:

    @Mnemosyne: Kurt Vonnegut’s son wrote a similar book, whose title i’ve forgotten, but it was an eye-opener for what it’s like on the inside.

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    Ruckus says:

    I gave up on hope last yr as well. But it was for personal health reasons. Fucking Cancer.
    But I replaced it with stubborn pigheadedness that I wasn’t going to let it get to me. It’s actually worked so far. Once again I’m trying to actually live. Thirteen months after finishing cancer treatment I still don’t know if it worked or not. Maybe next month, we test again.
    Go stubborn pigheadedness!

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    Suzanne says:

    @frosty: Thank you. I am feeling better having it be over. I am not sentimental and it was taking forever and having it be over means now I can move forward.

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    Suzanne says:


    stubborn pigheadedness

    My coping mechanism, as well.

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    Ruckus says:


    I will look for a therapist for myself next week. I have gained weight this year—been eating my feelings, and I cut back on workouts because I didn’t want to spend time away from my Spawns.

    I told you the other night that we were a lot alike. This time it’s coping, same method, different reasons. At least something makes you feel less shitty for a while. But in the end it really doesn’t work does it?
    How about a pact to actually make ourselves better and move on to better days?

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    In order for the president to get involved, some aides to the president say, he would need an airtight plan

    Let me show you, Mr President, the plastic bag goes over your head…

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ruckus: May next month bring you good test results. Meantime, living again sounds like a good plan.

    stubborn pigheadedness

    I did that for about half of last year until it was too much effort.

    I really sympathize with Suzanne’s horrible, awful year because that’s how my year was last year. Just relentlessly awful. At some point I just gave up caring. Nothing I did one way or the other made any difference. It just kept getting worse. It was almost comical how awful it was.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Ruckus: I have been doing some other self-improvement things…..more reading, more art, more homemade skincare. About a month ago, I lost all desire to do any of it and that was the sign for me that I’m not okay.

    @Yarrow: Last year was also really shitty. Maybe even worse than this year. I blame Trump.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Suzanne: I don’t blame Trump for the horrible year I had last year. It was other things. But his election was part of it. At some point I just knew he’d win because my year was so awful, him winning would be yet another bad thing, so of course it would happen. Sorry, everyone.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m willing to take whatever good news we can get these days.

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    Ruckus says:


    Nothing I did one way or the other made any difference.

    This is part of being alive. As the world gets more and more populated/crowded most of us have less and less impact on the world around us. That’s normal. Also, shitty years are normal. The problem is that the shitty seems to come in waves, or more like a major storm if you will. At times we get overwhelmed with shitty. During shitty years, normal aging, abnormal health, kids growing up, etc, the impact we have on the world can and often does take a step back. Sometimes a huge fucking step. And we don’t always cope well/can’t cope with that. Especially when it’s not just us but the world around us having a shitty year. Like the last couple of years. We get depressed, we try to cope, to feel a bit better, but in the middle of a shit storm, that’s difficult and often we don’t cope well. If your crap goes on long enough, sometimes you can actually learn to cope/adjust better, such that you don’t get overwhelmed.
    I’ve had a lot of pretty shitty years out of the last 25, I should be used to it. But life does funny things to you. It keeps throwing you different challenges just to fuck with you, which makes it tougher to cope, even if you know what it takes and how to accomplish that. Life is funny that way.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ruckus: Last year was certainly one of those shit storms for me. It was just relentless. People backing away from you in horror kind of bad.

    I know what you mean about if it’s bad enough long enough you learn to cope. Went through that for a few years. I look back and am not sure how I did what I did, but somehow you just manage. But none of that compares to last year.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow: for 2016, last time I felt that bad was 2004. Talk about kicks to the groin.

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    J R in WV says:


    All that sounds like a major improvement from your posts the other night. Take care of the kids, and yourself. Do some personal time off work if you have something you would like to do or somewhere to go.

    You do need to recover for a little while.

    What did you learn in the fish cooking meeting, anything? A nugget of surprising thing about fish prep? Anything?

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    J R in WV says:


    I think the way to work with cancer treatments is to completely assume they totally worked and got on with life. That’s what our friend Pam did. Back to work and everything after alternating radiation and chemo for a year or two. Then she said, that’s enough, I’m done.

    That was 4 years ago. She got to see her grand-daughter 3 years ago, which wouldn’t have happened if her husband hadn’t taken her to UVA hospital, the local docs wrote her off totally, told her to call hospice, 6 or 7 years ago. Criminal what they did, just threw her away.

    Her husband saved her life. Was a cop, stubborn, saved lots of people over a 35 year career. Retired now.

    Fuck Cancer!! You hang in there, just like Suzanne!!

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    rikyrah says:

    Hang in there. And find the place for your exercise. I know all about needing that outlet.

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    rikyrah says:

    Sending you positive thoughts

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Yarrow: It’s the fault of the Chicago Cubs and the team that let them win the World Series.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Congratulations! Can’t wait to read it when you get it published.

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    Wyatt Derp says:

    Still trying to figure out howTrump helps get Moore out. Does he say “nobody who harasses women should hold a high government position”?

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    SFAW says:


    Go stubborn pigheadedness!

    Is there a Patron Saint for that? If so, I’ll make a burnt offering.

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    SFAW says:


    It’s the fault of the Chicago Cubs and the team that let them win the World Series.

    I blame Terry Collins and the Wilpons. The Cubs are blameless (relatively speaking, that is).

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    Ruckus says:


    Is there a Patron Saint for that? If so, I’ll make a burnt offering.

    It’s possible it’s me.
    No, thinking about it I know several more pig headed people than me. Far more fucking pig headed. Run their heads in walls pig headed. I stopped doing that long ago.

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    Lurking Canadian says:

    @Suzanne: I just saw your posts from the weekend. I feel for you and all you’re going through. Take care of yourself.

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    No One You Know says:

    Someone, probably multiple someones, may have commented on this already:

    Isn’t the issue here that the GOP has asked the POTUS to supersede the will of the people?

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