Balloon Juice Public Service Announcement: Immigrant Integration Event in Denver on November 14th, 2017

TaMara emailed and asked me to do a PSA post on the immigrant integration event tomorrow night in Denver. Here are the details from one of our lurkers:

I’m a BJ lurker in Denver, and my partner and I are putting on an immigrant integration event sponsored by the city’s Office of Immigrant and Refugee Affairs, designed to support and integrate immigrant populations with receiving community members. Last year, TaMara was kind enough to promote our event Night of Arabic Comedy on Balloon Juice. This year, we’re hosting a Mexican comedy focused event, featuring an immigrant stand-up comic, Miriam Moreno, who will perform in English & Spanish followed by a subtitled Cantinflas film, Gran Hotel. Cantinflas is a beloved Mexican comedian who has been called the Mexican Groucho Marx – and Charlie Chaplin called Cantinflas “the world’s greatest comedian”. It’s a completely free event at the Buntport Theater tomorrow night, Tuesday November 14th,  starting at 7:30. Hopefully it’s something that the politically-minded readership at Balloon Juice would find interesting, as our goal is to foster stronger connections with immigrants and the receiving community.

So those of you readers, commenters, and/or lurkers in the greater Denver area, if you’re free tomorrow night, please consider taking in a free show.

Open thread!

111 replies
  1. 1
    lamh36 says:

    Follow Follow @politicalwire
    RNC Still Supporting Roy Moore (via @politicalwire)

  2. 2
    lamh36 says:

    I asked in a previous thread, but not sure if someone answered.

    When is CHump back from this Asia trip and when if Hope Hicks scheduled to be interviewed by Bob Mueller?

  3. 3
    TenguPhule says:

    @lamh36: He’s due back Wed.

    ETA: We got official warning of air shutdown due to their refueling here for tomorrow.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: How long do you all have to hold your breath?

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    lamh36 says:

    Anyone brave enough to watch Fox News and tell how they are reporting the new accuser of Roy Moore and the Wikileaks news from Jr

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Maybe he’ll order AF One to land in Moscow and pull a Snowden.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Three hours, give or take.

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    lamh36 says:

    @TenguPhule: oooh, I’m off Wednesday…wonder if Mueller et al will wait until Thursday to drop the next bombshell…hmmm

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I can guess.

    Roy Moore is a man of God and it’s not statutory rape if they looked old enough

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    TenguPhule says:

    Here we go again!

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions is entertaining the idea of appointing a second special counsel to investigate a host of Republican concerns — including alleged wrongdoing by the Clinton Foundation and the controversial sale of a uranium company to Russia — and has directed senior federal prosecutors to explore at least some of the matters and report back to him and his top deputy, according to a letter obtained by The Washington Post.

    The revelation came in a response from the Justice Department to an inquiry from House Judiciary Committee Chairman Robert W. Goodlatte (R-Va.), who in July and again in September called for Sessions to appoint a second special counsel to investigate concerns he had related to the 2016 election and its aftermath.

    The list of matters he wanted probed was wide ranging, but included the FBI’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, various dealings of the Clinton Foundation and several matters connected to the purchase of the Canadian mining company Uranium One by Russia’s nuclear energy agency. Goodlatte took particular aim at former FBI director James B. Comey, asking for a second special counsel to evaluate the leaks he directed about his conversations with Trump, among other things.

    There’s so much gas being lit that you can see these fuckers coming from orbit.

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    lamh36 says:

    Follow Follow @Bencjacobs
    And the local Alabama paper just came out with a story with local residents backing up all the allegations against Moore

    ETA: Sooooo…no longer a “Washington Post” story then…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Tucker is doing tax breaks for illegal immigrants. Which is the name of my new ska cover band!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: Blue is your color.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It beats going red.

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    Roger Moore says:


    Anyone brave enough to watch Fox News and tell how they are reporting the new accuser of Roy Moore and the Wikileaks news from Jr

    I’m not going to watch, but my money is that they’re avoiding coverage by talking about Trump’s Asia trip. Refusing to cover this shit is way easier than trying to spin it into something innocuous.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Or orange

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    lamh36 says:

    6m6 minutes ago
    The tattered remnant of the pro-Wikileaks left is awfully quiet tonight.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: I’m gonna take a wild guess and say it’s something like “la la la, we can’t hear you!”. They are surely talking about anything but Roy Moore, pervert.

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    To my great shock, Mitch McConnell appears to have said he believes the women.

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    TenguPhule says:

    It says something that with all the news breaking today, the bleak scientist warning of second notice on global climate change didn’t even get a mention.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Not so surprising really, it was his least bad option for himself.

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    lamh36 says:

    Follow Follow @thehill
    Poll: Roy Moore holds 10-point lead over Democrat Doug Jones in Alabama race after sexual misconduct accusations

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: Good. Let’s not let that fall down the memory hole however. They’ll be back in another form.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: Polls in the Virginia race were all over the place. Don’t lose heart.

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    WaterGirl says:


    The poll does show improvement for Jones from the last survey conducted in September. That survey gave Moore a 22-point advantage.

    Another poll released Sunday found Jones leading Moore by 4 points, 46 to 42 percent.

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    guachi says:

    On the upside, that 10-point lead is down from a 22-point lead in the last poll by that polling firm.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    “No Yankee is gonna tell us what to do! He may be a pedophile, but he’s our pedophile. He’s a (white) man of God and will kill all those degenerates. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.”

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    lamh36 says:

    @Baud: Well according to the Alabama reporter on the ground. It is STILL likely that Moore wins and the allegations are also likely to INCREASE he numbers…

    Soooo basically the majority the Bama elecotorate are a bunch of moral hypocrites…who care more about abortion rights…than the fact that they are gonna be sending a disgusting creeptster to represent ALL of the state of Alabama…smh…to all my people living in ‘Bama…who are disgusted by this entire thing…I’m not even sure what to say…smh.

    We’ll see if this latest NON-Washington Post story makes a difference

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    lgerard says:


    That’s the final stake in the old bastards desiccated heart

    The New Yorker claims that he was actually banned from the mall for harassing young women

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    lamh36 says:

    I refuse to watch ANY @CNN panel that includes a “Trump Supporter” when discussing this Roy Moore story. @AC360 you should be ashamed of yourselves…but why would expect anything decent from ya’ll anyway…smh

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lgerard: It seems that perhaps as people are seeing blood in the water, people are not as afraid to speak out against him. Perhaps there is no love lost for Roy Moore in some circles?

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: We’ll find out soon enough.

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    lamh36 says:


    Follow Follow @costareports
    Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey has been speaking in recent days with Kellyanne Conway, per people familiar. Context of their conversations is unclear, people said. Conway is Ivey’s longtime pollster/confidante

    ETA: If the White House issues ANY sort of statement on Roy Moore talking bout they “believe the women” ANY counter question from media shoudl be what make these women more believable than the women who accused candidate Donald Trump…who Kelly & Sara Huckabee called liars!!!

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    lgerard says:


    i think that is very true. I am sure that there are many Alabama republicans who think he is a lunatic. But Luther Strange was not very popular either after the scam he pulled to get appointed Senator. There wasn’t much choice in the primary really.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone is talking to a pollster.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    There really is one of these for everything!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: He’s single!

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: But was he banned from at least one local shopping mall for stalking teenagers as an adult ? We need to know his qualifications and expertise on the subject.

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    Jackie says:

    Cruz pulls his endorsement. Bannon won’t be pleased.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Ugh…and that’s not even the guy Anderson had on his panel…ugh

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    lamh36 says:

    Seriously read the AL.COM story…locally sourced w/people on the record!!!


    8m8 minutes ago
    Replying to @ddale8
    Alabama’s has a stronger version of the Moore-at-the-mall story, with locals on the record with firsthand accounts:

    ETA: The link, ICYMI:

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    randy khan says:


    Polls in Virginia really weren’t all over the place, as Nate Silver has noted.

    But a 12-point swing in a month is a lot, and other polls have showed a much tighter race, some now with Jones ahead.

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    jl says:

    From news I see, I think right about now is time to start making serious case for Trump impeachment that large section of public will buy.
    Too much has come out on Trump-Russian connection (we don’t need proof of collusion with active participation from Trump end, but we do have solicitation and massive (and luckily for us, so far massively incompetent) lying that put US national security at risk).
    And politically motivated interference in DOJ antitrust decision in order to intimidate press (I’m betting there will be no half-way respectable ‘novel legal theory’)
    And now, apparently DOJ starting bogus investigation of bogus HRC uranium non-scandals with zero evidence of anything illegal
    And that is on top off all the existing reasons, including flagrant and enthusiastic violations of emoluments clause.

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    trollhattan says:

    Well now don’t that just chafe your chaps! This Moore feller is a real mensch.

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    jl says:

    @lamh36: the first story I saw on banning from the mall had around half a dozen sources, including local law enforcement who knew about the bans at the time. I think that puts even the first story in the ‘very credible allegation’ category.

    And multiple independent sources say he used his public office to intimidate the victims.
    I’d like more attention on the outrage of the AL GOP threatening the women who come forward. Any victim who comes forward with charges in good faith, needs to be protected, and any decent human being should stay far away from any hint of threat or defamation. Depraved people from Fox News to local AL GOpers defaming the accusers, and local GOPers making BS, but to the people involved, scary legal threats.

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    trollhattan says:

    Doubt any of this will flip votes to the Democrat but perhaps enough dispirited Moore voters will simply stay home.

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    lamh36 says:

    55m55 minutes ago
    The unwillingness of the GOP base to abandon a pedophile is just foreshadowing of how they’ll react to hard evidence the President colluded with Russia.

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    jl says:

    @trollhattan: We’ll see. I saw some polling that a plurality of AL GOP voters are hanging on flimsy excuse that the charges are a political smear job in order to excuse their continued support. We’ll see how long that bunch holds out, with four or five local ex-cops say the guy was a stalker who got banned from at least one local shopping mall.

    Edit: OTOH, if you do in fact think any Democrat is worse than a guy who stalks and assaults teenagers, uses his public office to intimidate people and cover up his crimes, and is a liar, and actually also a bad liar who makes admissions and then clumsily backtracks the very next day, well, OK then. Not much to argue about with them.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @TenguPhule: In happier news. Bob Goodlatte, Virginia congresscritter (R-lunacy) is retiring in 2018.

    Will not miss him, or Bob Marshall (crazy ass Virginia delegate, paleocon defeated by a transgender Democrat).

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    Elizabelle says:

    @jl: It’s a long month before election day.

    And what they say to pollsters, and what they say within their family and church-family circles, might be different. I’d rather be Doug Jones than Roy Moore, any day of the year. Even if Mr. Jones loses, he is still a class act. And a brave one.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @TenguPhule: I think they’re hoping Hillary gets removed from the Oval Office before Trump is.

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    jl says:

    @Elizabelle: I’d bet a lot of people will continue to make absurd excuses for support, but won’t have the energy to get the polling place or make a mark next to his name if they do get out.

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    JPL says:

    @trollhattan: It’s really hard not to vote, if you always vote. just sayin

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    trollhattan says:


    OTOH, if you do in fact think any Democrat is worse than a guy who stalks and assaults teenagers, uses his public office to intimidate people and cover up his crimes, and is a liar, and actually also a bad liar who makes admissions and then clumsily backtracks, well, OK then. Not much to argue about with them.

    I believe you just aced the interview to become the next RNC chairman. Congrats! :-P

    Has anybody asked Newt what he thinks? This sort of thing is right up his alley.

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    jl says:

    @trollhattan: Thanks, send me contact info in case I need a recommendation :).

    Edit: and underneath the depravity, is the chickenshittery. I think the Dems have had the self respect to cut loose some bad actors and take the hit for one election. The GOPer reactionaries will destroy themselves with general public opinion in order to save a slime like Moore. To the point that it is self destructive. Imagine what will come out afterwards if he is elected? If McConnell has decided to bail on Moore, that is a very strong signal that one of the top cynical masters of the game knows it’s time to cut losses.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: There was no actual link in your post. All you did was capture the reply button. I fixed that part for you.

    Also, nothing shows integrity like waiting till everyone else has made their move before making one’s own.

    ETA: The above refers to Senator Cruz, not jl. Apparently there’s some confusion.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Richmond Times Disgrace:

    Finalized vote count in Chesterfield puts Northam in lead, making him first Democrat to carry county since 1961

    Gov.-elect Ralph Northam became the first Democrat to carry Chesterfield County since 1961 after local officials corrected preliminary results over the weekend.

    Chesterfield County is adjacent to Richmond, with Petersburg to the south. About 70% white.

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    lamh36 says:

    Proof positive It truly is the End of Days…or simply the broken clock conundrum…

    Follow Follow @WalshFreedom
    No matter where it leads, the fact that @DonaldJTrumpJr was EVEN COMMUNICATING with Wikileaks, an enemy of the United States, a non American hostile entity that made public classified information that led to the killing of US troops, is beyond despicable.

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    p.a. says:

    Drain the swamp hah! ‘Moore’ like recruit from the sewer. Deep bench of deplorables.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @lamh36: If only someone had… you know… tried to tell him.

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    lamh36 says:

    @trollhattan: newt the other day on Hannity called it a “lynch mob” against Roy Moore

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @lamh36: That’s why Trump will only be impeached should Congress flip in 2018. Republicans still have an agenda to push so they need Trump in the White House.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    wish I lived close enough to run up to Denver on a school night! Hope it goes well!

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    lamh36 says:

    And… a Menendez name drop from the fmr Trum communications dir on CNN…comparing to to the Mrs Young on presser… talking bout made him recall when the “young prostitutes talked about…Menendez….” BLAH BLAH BLAH…

    Really…you saw Mrs Young’s presser and u name drop Menendez…smh

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    ” Also, nothing shows integrity like waiting till everyone else has made their move before making one’s own. ”

    Was that aimed at me? I got some heat a few days ago for insisting on being careful about using the words ‘true’ and ‘allegations’, ‘credible allegations’ and ‘very credible’ allegations, and staying on solid ground wrt to words used and moving to more and more conclusive language as the story developed. I stand by the importance of making that distinction, even if I was clumsy in how I worded that point.

    Edit: also, I do think more attn should be paid to disgraceful role of Fox and AL GOP. If the truth could have been adjudicated in court of law at the time, Moore would have spent some well justified time in the clink. But depraved language from Fox and AL GOP is example of intimidation that prevented that from happening.

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    lamh36 says:

    And THIS is why Jeff Sessions ain’t going back to that Senate seat…he gots shit to stir and people of color to prosecute…and political opponents…

    Follow Follow @NBCNews
    JUST IN: Attorney General Jeff Sessions has directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate whether a special counsel should be appointed to investigate concerns raised by Republicans, including alleged unlawful dealings by Clinton Foundation and the sale of a uranium company

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: No, that was referring to Cruz. Backbone of wet tissue paper.

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    mike in dc says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    It’s going to be a hard sell even with a majority in the House, if we don’t have one in the Senate too. If we have both, and have knocked off Paul Ryan, it will be easier to nudge 15+ R senators to do the right thing. Ideally, for a fact pattern supporting impeachment and removal, such a vote should be near-unanimous, for the benefit of the country.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @lamh36: Smells of desperation to me.

    And bananas. Banana Republic move.

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: Jeff Sessions is going to prison.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Those prosecutors are career DOJ. They will take their time and quietly review everything that was done with each thing they’ve been asked about. Some time, starting in about 90 days or so, with potential delays because of the holidays, they’ll report back that there is no factual basis to further investigate any of this and that the Comey email investigation is before the IG, as Sessions knows, and therefore needs to remain off limits so the IG can proceed unimpeded. It is going to be very, very difficult for Sessions to turn any of this into something that DOJ will actually move forward on. But by doing this, and leaking that he’s doing it, he get’s both the President off his back, as well as the couple of members of the House that were saying today he needed to either do this or resign. Sessions is a racist ideologue. He already knows he’s on thin ice with the FBI and the Intel Community over the Russia interference stuff. This is him just buying time by assigning make work.

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: OK. I didn’t know you could bother about whatever the heck Cruz is up to, unless essential. You are a stronger person than I am.

    Edit: Cruz does understand his audience and fan base very well. I think they really admire that kind of slimy maneuvering. and I mean that in the worst possible way wrt to Cruz and his fanbase.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Was that Jason No Chin, but baby daddy to two women, one of whom I’m not married to Miller?

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    lamh36 says:

    The Alabama reporter on Maddow said much the same thing…yes…it may make people pause…and maybe folks will see a problem…but while the national GOP may have issued all these statements…the LOCAL/STATE GOP have not…and even as disturbing as the news from WashPo, the New Yorker, and now the local Alabama paper, the RNC is still on the ground helping Roy Moore campaign…and while the paper’s opinion page says Moore is unfit…even with how credible Mrs Young’s presser was…

    His money is STILL on Roy Moore winning, and so is the local GOP.

    Sure we can hope that Alabama voters have more moral heart than political partisanship, but it’s more likely a fools game…but we shall see I guess

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    NotMax says:


    Wouldn’t be at all surprised to discover there are yahoos in Alabama who believe it is illegal to vote D.

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    lgerard says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Jason No Chin

    I hate that guy. I’m glad he was too damaged even for trump to choose as spokesasshole.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elizabelle: The garbage is helpfully taking itself out.

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    lamh36 says:

    2h2 hours ago
    Spread the word. Confirmed: @VolvoCarUSA confirms that they have removed their ads from Sean Hannity’s show.

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    ET says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: I remember many years ago when all those mega church preachers were getting caught doing all sorts of unChristian like things, people wondered why they never seem to suffer any consequences. Someone said something to the affect that that instead of the Bible being a deterrent it gave them forgiveness. All that church time sort of inoculated them for when they misbehaved. This may apply with the Moore situation.

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    Mike J says:

    @lamh36: My 240 is still one of my favorite cars I ever owned.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: not this time…he saved his BS punditry for the Wikileaks segment. He called the presser compelling, but said as many have said that the combination of the WashPo, Washington GOP withdrawing and Gloria Allred…that it would actually increase Moore’s chances of winning

    naw this was another guy, a Hispanic guy, I think…he also called the presser compelling, but then decided to name drop Menendez and “young prostitutes”…betting he had been waiting to use that comparison all day.

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    lamh36 says:

    Follow Follow @Tyler_Tortoise
    Replying to @AlGiordano
    Someone needs to run Roy Moore’s DNA through the cold case system…

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    lgerard says:


    I have a hard time believing this. The people in Alabama may be conservative and jebusy, but they are not all stupid and many of them won’t condone this. The fact that Cowboy Roy is obviously lying is not helping him.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Then they got his title wrong. The campaign spokesman was No Chin and before him Sam Too Many Chins Nunberg.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mike J: I learned to drive in a 264 GL.

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    Duane says:

    @trollhattan: Oh, Hannity asked the Newt on his radio show today. He thinks the Clinton’s are guilty. Still playing the classics.

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    lamh36 says:

    @lgerard: hm…I don’t have a hard time at all believing it.

    2m2 minutes ago
    This whole #RoyMoore thing reminds me that the separation between church and state wasn’t to protect gov’t from religion, but rather to protect religion from politics. Christians in Alabama have allowed politics to grossly pervert their moral compass.

    I have no faith in white evangelical voters caring enough about the hypocrisy that they would condone something so foul as this Moore business to vote for the Dem over Moore if he never dropped out.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @lamh36: Gonna be a blast watching wingnuts buy Volvos and then smash them to bits.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @jl: Yeah, one of the other tidbits on the Ben Jacobs Twitter feed that @lamh36
    mentioned has a photo of a story from 15 years ago, saying that Moore was unpopular in Gadsden (sp?) but that people wouldn’t say why.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @lamh36: I doubt many Hannity viewers own a Volvo. But maybe the ones that do will start smashing them in protest?

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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Ah…I’m sure I go the title wrong then, but it def said Fmr Trump something or other..hmmm

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    Corner Stone says:

    How many teen girls do you have to creep on to “get banned” from an AL mall in the late 70’s / early 80’s ?
    I mean, that’s gotta be like you’re following them into bathrooms kinda stuff, right?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @lamh36: Is that Joe “I ain’t payin’ no child support” Walsh?

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Corner Stone: I expect he was doing just that. The guy’s a predator. If this is what he was doing in his thirties, I would like to know what he was doing in his forties and fifties. Someone knows.

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    lgerard says:

    Here is another example of that irritating bullshit excuse trope that the trump team uses endlessly from this article today in Politico

    Ivanka Trump asked Flynn what he would like to do in the administration at the beginning of the session and indicated how grateful she was for Flynn’s help and loyalty to her father. (An administration official clarified that Ivanka Trump wasn’t being serious in asking Flynn which job he would prefer since that was not her role.)

    Flynn told the group that he wanted to be secretary of state, secretary of defense, or national security adviser.

    By mid-November, the NSA job was officially his.

    Do they spend all day just joking around?

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    lamh36 says:

    @Gin & Tonic: ah…yep…the apocalypse…it is a’comin’

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    Another Scott says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: My step mom had a 76 Ogle.

    As my dad liked to call it. ;-)


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    Elizabelle says:

    Wow. From today’s accuser was in the same high school and grade as Moore’s future wife.

    In 1977, Nelson was Beverly Young, a sophomore at Southside, in the same class as Moore’s future wife, Kayla Kisor. Southside is in Etowah County outside Gadsden, just over the Coosa River.

    … Susan Firestone, who was a 10th grade English teacher at the time, said she remembered her after seeing her yearbook photo.

    “She was a really pretty girl,” Firestone said. “Had beautiful red hair. She was really quiet. I remember her being a good student. She wasn’t the type to seek attention.”

    Moore has denied knowing Beverly Nelson and called the accusation is a political attack.

    “I can tell you without hesitation this is absolutely false,” Moore told reporters at a brief press conference in Gallant. “I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her.”

    Shasta Edge was a classmate at the time. She remembered that Young had just come from California.

    “She was a very pretty girl,” she said. “She moved in that year, in the 10th grade. I remember her. She didn’t stay at Southside long.”

    And, of course, Roy Moore was mall ratting too, even hitting on Santa’s Helper:

    Colleagues and others who knew Moore told the Washington Post that he often walked alone around the Gadsden Mall.

    The mall opened to great fanfare in 1974, anchored by department stores like Pizitz, Belk Hudson and Sears. It had a movie theater, lounge, drug store and restaurants including Morrison’s Cafeteria.

    It soon became a popular local hangout, especially for teenagers.

    Wendy Miller told The Post that she was 14 and working as Santa’s helper at the Gadsden Mall in 1977 when Moore first spoke with her and told her she looked pretty. Two years later, when she was 16, he asked her out on dates, although her mother wouldn’t let her go.

    Usry, who was a teenager at the time, remembers seeing Moore at the mall often.

    “He would go and flirt with all the young girls,” he said. “It’d seem like every Friday or Saturday night (you’d see him) walking around the mall, like the kids did.”

    Jason Nelms, who now lives in Tennessee but grew up in nearby Southside, was a regular at the mall when he was a teenager.

    He recalled being told by a mall employee that they kept watch for an older guy who was known to pick up younger girls.

    Nelms said he was told later by a concession worker at the mall that it was Roy Moore.

    Greg Legat worked at the Record Bar, a music store near Sears in the mall, from 1981-1985. The store was just down from the back entrance of the mall, near the three-screen Mall Theatre. It was a popular place for parents dropping off their teens in the evenings and on weekends.

    Legat, now 59, said an off-duty Gadsden police officer named J.D. Thomas told him about various people he should look out for when he was working. This was around 1981, and Thomas worked security at the mall.

    One of the people was a pickpocket, he said, while another was someone prone to pick fights.

    One was Roy Moore.

    “I asked him, ‘What did he do?'” Legat recalled. “He said, ‘If you see him, let me know. I’ll take care of it.'”

    Aside from being predatory, it’s kind of sad and tawdry, like Michael Jackson wanting to recreate his childhood with actual children at Neverland. It’s arrested development.

    We haven’t seen any reporting yet, have we, on Moore’s parentage and upbringing. Could he have been molested in his youth?

    Whole thing strikes me as Moore being immature and not ready for adulthood. Red flag upon red flags.

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    lgerard says:


    i think there will be enough people staying home or writing in someone else to make a difference. I just can’t see many people in that middle 30% on the reasonableness scale going to the polls to pull a lever for Roy Moore, sex pervert.

    But I am an optimist .

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    Calouste says:

    Has anyone serious already pointed out that Wikileaks confessed to shitgibbon Jr. that they committed a crime, and his reaction basically was “I’ll see what I can do with the results of that crime”?

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    jl says:

    @Elizabelle: ” Moore being immature and not ready for adulthood ”

    I think if proper attention is paid to fact that Moore repeatedly used his office to threaten and intimidate witnesses to his harassment and assaults, and that he abused his office to cruise courtroom hallways to pick up vulnerable adolescents and young adults involved in custody cases, it is a lot worse than an immature 30-something looking for a very young adult girl friend. It is started with immaturity, he let it spread into very unethical, predatory behavior, and very credibly, illegal acts.

    Edit” OK, sorry. I guess I skipped over your mention of ‘predatory’ So, I am amplifying the additional very serious problems with Moore’s behavior.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @jl: No prob, they’re very much intertwined. And you can never take out the threats: he was an adult, in a position of (legal) power.

    I wonder if Moore’s West Point classmates ever noticed any of this behavior. Not wanting to go visiting at nearby women’s colleges; maybe wanting to check out the high schools. Although the fellow cadets might have been his wingmen.

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    TS says:

    @TenguPhule: And they would investigate the Clinton Foundation – which actually achieves it goals while ignoring the make believe Trump Charity machine. There is nothing positive about trump and the unqualified morons he appoints to his administration nor the GOP in congress.

    They have NO idea how to govern, – all they want to do is oppose democrats.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    Whole thing strikes me as Moore being immature and not ready for adulthood.

    Yeah, no. I spent a lot of time being immature and not ready for adulthood. I didn’t perv on teenagers.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: True. Not ‘splaining away Moore’s deviance. And I would want to smack him if he tried anything on me or a sister or friend. But then you’d be afraid he could make legal trouble for you.

    tweets on Cole’s feed, from others:

    Alabama malls have less tolerance for pedophiles than the Alabama GOP.

    From Richard W. Painter:

    There IS a war on Christmas. Millions to lose health care, thousands of children see their parents deported, the story of Mary and Joseph told as a story of child molestation…..

    Alabama GOP has not covered itself in glory. LOL.

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    Duane says:

    @Another Scott: Yeah, but what kind of car did she drive?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle: That is good news.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: In my defense, I was a teenager at the time. But I only looked and didn’t touch.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TenguPhule: I spent a far longer time being immature and not ready for adulthood. I still never perved on teens. An interest in old wine and young women has limits (now, I find that I need to mention the existence of lower bounds)

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