Tuesday Morning Open Thread: GOTV


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There’s a lot of big important stories waiting to be written up, but none of them are what you want to be trying to puzzle out first thing in the morning. But it’s Election Day, so go do your civic duty — and make sure your social-media peeps are, too, especially if you’re in Virginia or New Jersey…

Apart from voting / waiting for results, what’s on the agenda for the day?

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For your further social-media consideration…

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124 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    Let’s do this thing.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    Speaking of GOTV, Lump hasn’t held one of his stupid rallies of stupid lately…

    Someone finally talk him out of that nonsense?

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    raven says:

    They have gerrymanders us so that half of Athens on has a transportation tax on the ballot while there are two decent democrats running in state races here.

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    Baud says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): He’s embarrassing us in Asia right now. When was his last rally?

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    gene108 says:

    I knew there was something I was forgetting that I needed to do today 😜

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Baud:

    Yes, he is playing the fool in SK now, but even so, the last rally was a good while ago I believe.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): The economy is about as good as it’s going to be and his poll numbers keep going down. Maybe even he doesn’t feel all that secure at his own rallies.

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    Immanentize says:

    Here in Medford, MA we have the mayor, school board and city council on the ballot. They are all non- partisan races (no primaries). I have received a ton of mailers and phone calls, but I’ll be damned if I can tell them all apart. Except the woman whose obligatory family photo included her gay daughter and wife. She gets my vote for certain.

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    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    I’m sitting here out in the cold handing out sample ballots for the Democrats, ’cause, what the hell, somebody has to be a hero, right?

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    Ben Cisco says:

    Did my early voting thing last week. The guys repping for GOP candidates didn’t even have party affiliations on their merch – they are running away hard from you-know-who at warp speed (at least in my neck of the woods). The mayoral race is a dead heat as of last night; both candidates are two-term City council members.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):
    The Dotard appoints advisers but doesn’t listen to them. So I don’t think anyone has even tried to talk him out of doing his post-election campaign rallies. Besides, they do lift his spirits, which he needs a lot of right now. He’s currently visiting Asia. I doubt the US Embassies in Japan. South Korea, or China managed to get him permission for any rallies.

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid: No freaking way he ever faces a foreign audience. Remember his oft postponed trip to Great Britain?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Would-be robber used unusual weapon – a dog – to hold up Jefferson County QuikTrip, police say

    Great. I wonder if open carry covers dog walking? Does one now need a concealed carry permit for the chihuahua in a purse?

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: We need more good guys with dogs. Good dogs.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Mueller’s team is also examining whether Flynn attempted to orchestrate the removal of a chief rival of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. to Turkey in exchange for millions of dollars, two officials said. (link)

    Kidnapping is a 20 year minimum federal sentence.

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    sharl says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Speaking of GOTV, Lump hasn’t held one of his stupid rallies of stupid lately…

    Someone finally talk him out of that nonsense?

    I forget where I saw it, but someone noted that he backed the wrong horse in the GOP primary for Alabama Senator, and that might have demotivated him to get involved in other state or local races. That seems like a plausible explanation to me, given his strong aversion to failure, especially when it’s on display for everyone to see.

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    Baud says:

    WaPo

    Rosecrants is a Democrat who won in a district that is 60 percent Republican. He is one of three Democrats who have won GOP legislative districts in Oklahoma special elections in the months since President Trump won 65 percent of the vote in one of the country’s most conservative states.

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    p.a. says:

    I would love for a Korean to slip him gochujang instead of ketchup for his burger or steak.

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    bystander says:

    @Baud: Just reading how twitler is conducting himself. I didn’t believe I could hate him more, but somehow I do. I’ve never experienced loathing for a public figure before in my life. Not even LBJ. Not Nixon. Not Reagan. At least I never found myself slapping my forehead at how they conducted themselves.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 😊!

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    “I have one of the great memories of all time.”

    “I think we found out something about he may be involved with all – with certain nations and I doen’t even know exactly what it was in particular, ” Trump said. (link)

    Somehow one of the greatest memories ever can remember why he fired his campaign manager.

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    Baud says:

    WSJ

    Nearly one year after Donald Trump’s upset election victory, support for the president is eroding in counties that were most responsible for his election, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds. But Democrats have not yet managed to turn Mr. Trump’s weakness in those precincts into gains for their party.

    People in these so-called “Trump counties” remain far more likely than the rest of the nation to approve of the president’s job performance and handling of the economy. But disapproval of his performance in these loyalist precincts has inched up to the 50% mark, surpassing the 48% who approve.

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    Yoda Dog says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.): Fuck yea. Not all heroes wear capes, I’ve heard.

    Let’s get a victory.

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    JPL says:

    Just returned home from putting up signs at polling places, and now I’m having a cup of coffee. Today I have several shifts of sign waving, and then tonight I’ll just watch the results. I don’t do election night parties.
    In GA one candidate has to receive fifty percent of the vote, plus one. That means that I’ll probably be doing this another month. ugh.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Baud:
    Theresa May is pretty much the only Briton who wants Trump to come visit. Even the Queen, whose job it is to welcome foreign heads of state at Buckingham Palace, has refused to do that for him.

    I can’t see Trump facing an audience abroad either. American mainstream media have helped him downplay the less-than-full crowds at his recent rallies in America. Foreign media would have no reason to be so kind.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: After the Texas church shooting, a case could be made for dogs as ushers.

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    Quinerly says:

    @satby: @Baud: @rikyrah: Good morning from Poco and his kitty tribe! Have a great day.

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    Baud says:

    GMA says Trump is being more conciliatory towards North Korea today. He’s so mercurial, who knows? But better than nuclear war. If we can get through Trump without that, I’ll consider it a bullet dodged.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:
    Trump’s capacity for remembering things surely does not exceed that of Marilu Henner, the actress. She has hyperthymesia and remembers every last detail of her life since she was eleven.

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    debbie says:

    Please, please, please, Virginia, show us there’s a way out of this!

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    Baud says:

    GMA:. Both sides in Virginia using scare tactics.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The deer are fighting back.

    It’s about time they did.

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    satby says:

    @Quinerly: you too! Hugs to the whole gang!

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @Amir Khalid: I root for the deer in this one.

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid: She would make a better president.

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    Immanentize says:

    @JPL: you know, “people who wave signs go on to — to wave other things”. Flight of the Concords (sorta)

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    The Republican tax reform plan gives their wealthy friends and benefactors a huge tax cut and raises taxes for folks earning under $55,000. So much for economically anxious voters getting any relief from Trump.

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    debbie says:

    I would have preferred that the Google Doodle celebrate Election Day, but I guess celebrating pad thai is okay.

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    Baud says:

    @Patricia Kayden: They are getting the relief they wanted every time Trump hurts women and minorities.

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    sharl says:

    I assume no one was able to grab his phone in time:

    Looks like Trump was in fact freelancing in his Saudi tweets. Qatar fiasco redux. https://t.co/Tkj6zaIY4b— Marc Lynch (@abuaardvark) November 7, 2017

    Trump Undercuts His Advisers Again With Saudi Tweets

    President Donald Trump again showed how quickly his tweets can outrun U.S. foreign policy planning, after he backed Saudi Arabia’s king and crown prince over the arrests of dozens of officials before the State Department had completed its review of the moves.

    While Trump had talked with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson about Saudi Arabia as they toured Tokyo together Nov. 5 and 6, there was no formal consultation before he tweeted early Tuesday that King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman “know exactly what they are doing.”

    A second tweet said “some of those they are harshly treating have been ‘milking’ their country for years!”

    The tweets were only the latest time Trump has set U.S. foreign policy in 140 characters. It effectively gave the crown prince the full weight of the U.S. backing despite serious questions remaining about Saudi Arabia’s commitment to the rule of law and its ability to guarantee financial transactions.

    “Having the United States in many ways supporting a position that is seen as quite controversial can be problematic for the region,” Raihan Ismail, an associate lecturer at the Centre for Arab and Islamic Studies at the Australian National University in Canberra, said by phone. “Regional instability will continue to spook foreign investors. The Trump administration is seen as erratic.”

    Yay.

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    germy says:

    Has there been a thread on Carter Page’s testimony? Some weird stuff.

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    bystander says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Theresa May is pretty much the only Briton who wants Trump to come visit. Even the Queen, whose job it is to welcome foreign heads of state at Buckingham Palace, has refused to do that for him.

    I can see twitler shoving Prince Phillip out of the way to get to the balcony to wave.

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    sharl says:

    @sharl: He’s also halping his dude in Virginia!

    Trump says Ed Gillespie will end MS-13 and all crime https://t.co/6Fi7DrxcFg— Rachel Weiner (@rachelweinerwp) November 7, 2017

    Atta boy tiger, more of this! Gotta win over those few folks sitting on the fence with this kind of thoughtful input.

  48. 48
    Baud says:

    Vox

    The US Navy is now investigating more than 60 admirals and hundreds of other Navy officers because of their possible involvement in a bribery and fraud case that has become the worst corruption scandal in the service’s history.

    As the Washington Post’s Craig Whitlock reports, the admirals caught up in the so-called “Fat Leonard” scandal allegedly attended fancy meals — and post-dinner romps that sometimes included prostitutes and lots of alcohol — throughout Asia, paid for by a defense contractornamed Leonard Glenn Francis. Francis is already in jail in San Diego because he pleaded guilty in January 2015 to charges of bribery and fraud; his bribes and fraudulent invoices helped him overcharge the Navy for his services by around $35 million. He’s now cooperating with authorities.

  49. 49
    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.) says:

    @Yoda Dog: True, but the blanket I have wrapped around me almost looks like a cape.

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    sharl says:

    @germy: Has there been a thread on Carter Page’s testimony? Some weird stuff.

    Given her past interest in this strange creature, maybe Cheryl will do one.
    Lots of amazement and mockery on twitter, though.

  51. 51
    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    Just voted about 7:00 in Fairfax County, VA. No wait at all, and I couldn’t get a read from the poll worker I asked whether the opening rush of commuting defense contractors and government drones was bigger than usual.

    Some here will be disappointed, no doubt, to learn that I voted for Ed Gillespie, but his unrelenting barrage of hysterical, fact-free TV ads convinced me that my nonexistent womenfolk are only a few tattooed brown penises away from rape and defilement if Ralph Northam and MS-13 are elected. I did what I had to do to preserve the Dominion.

    I did vote for the rest of the Democrats, because numerology showed that their names were much more auspicious than the Republicans’. So there’s that.

    Interesting note: the (paper) ballot was printed in English, Spanish, Vietnamese and Korean.

    Now I have to figure out what to do with the rest of the morning. Just finished a sausage, egg and cheese biscuit at McD. There is some hoo-ha in Threadkill Lane about repainting the parking lines, but I don’t know if that is definitely on. If it is, I’ll have to park the doughty Kia in a nearby store parking lot and walk home.

    Maybe I’ll go wander around Target. The housecat needs food, I’ve just remembered.

  52. 52
    Weaselone says:

    Voted for mayor and city council. Need to keep the charter school candidates off the city council to the extent possible. Hoping Tito Jackson can pull off a miracle upset over Walsh, but unlikely to happen. If Trump hadn’t been elected, Walsh probably would be on his way out courtesy of the Boston Olympics debacle.

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    germy says:

    @sharl:

    Given her past interest in this strange creature, maybe Cheryl will do one.

    Every photo I see of page; his facial expression…

    I imagine a scenario where an elderly woman walks into the room, sees her birdcage empty, and cries “Where’s Polly? Have you seen my Polly?”

    And Page swallows, shrugs and smiles, a few tiny feathers on his chin.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): I would think that getting a tattoo on your penis would be pretty uncomfortable..

  55. 55
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): Silly me, forgot the bad word trick.

    I would think that getting a tattoo on your penis would be pretty uncomfortable..

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    germy says:

    @Gin & Tonic: What would it say? “This End Up” ?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @p.a.: Why? They don’t want him getting sick in their country and thus extending his stay. I’m sure they’ll be celebrating his departure.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @germy: I’m not sure enough people want to sacrifice the brain cells it would take to read that. I know I don’t. Cheryl did mention last night that she was going to at least skim it.

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    Just one more canuck says:

    @sharl: ending all crime?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Today is a busy day for voters. Hoping that by late tonight, our side has racked up several victories. Yes. We. Can.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Quinerly:
    Morning to Poco and the tribe🙋🙋

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:
    Gillespie is running a Birth of a Nation campaign 😠

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    rikyrah says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    If you know any IGMFY Republicans, please be sure to tell them.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Gillespie’s ads clearly showed that all MS-13 members have full tattoos on their faces and presumably everywhere else on their bodies.

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    sharl says:

    @germy: Hahaha, I can picture him as derivative of Peter Sellers’ character Chauncey Gardner in Being There, but as one of the human-looking husks for an alien in Men in Black.

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    rikyrah says:

    @germy:
    We actually want a Front Pager to suffer through reading the transcript?
    If one of them does , bless them.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Baud:
    I doff my hat to my countryman Fat Leonard, who managed all by himself to corrupt almost one third of the US Navy’s flag officers.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:
    Now THIS is a story that I would appreciate Adam expanding upon.,..how could 60 folks get wrapped up in this. Will they go to jail? Be court marshalled?

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    sharl says:

    @Just one more canuck: That’s The Twitler Promise!

    .@EdWGillespie will totally turn around the high crime and poor economic performance of VA. MS-13 and crime will be gone. Vote today, ASAP!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2017

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Even the Queen, whose job it is to welcome foreign heads of state at Buckingham Palace, has refused to do that for him.

    The Royals have no problem meeting with the Obamas, including since President Obama has been out of office. I wonder why the Queen doesn’t want to meet with a p*ssy grabber. Things that make you go hmmmm.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    Trump’s effort to sabotage Obamacare isn’t working out as planned.

    Yes, motherfucker it is, it’s working pretty fucking well in fact.

    Go ahead and sign up for some shitty insurance and then watch them jack up your premium by a thousand percent. All this front page shit about the intricacies of going to a fucking doctor for some medical service is all you need to know about how fucked up the system has gotten even without the GOP doing their best to fuck things up.

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    @germy: @rikyrah: I did, although it was more of a skim than a read. Thanks for the blessings. A good night’s sleep set me right. Here is a Twitter thread I posted as I read through. Others posted threads too last night.

    For those of you who have watched Page’s interviews on television, there’s nothing new about his manner. He says that he doesn’t want to be misunderstood about every other sentence, and that he is telling the truth, because why would he do anything else. He did not have a lawyer with him.

    In substance, it’s hard to interpret most of what he says because he gives three or four answers to everything, some irrelevant, some contradictory. You can see the committee members becoming irritated at times. The discussions of the Fifth Amendment and why (or whether) he invoked it are something else.

    A few things come through fairly clearly: The Russians paid for his trip to Moscow in July 2016. He describes what looks like Podobnyy’s recruitment of him for spying.

    Most of it needs much more attention before I’d conclude anything. Be careful of commentary on it today. What I saw last night on Twitter looked like there will be some overinterpretation today. I’m going to compare it with the Steele dossier, which is my current big project anyway.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Amir Khalid: A true mensch.

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    evap says:

    Got in line to vote at 6:52 am, there were already 6 people ahead of me. I’m voting in Atlanta (city limits) and all races are non-partisan. There are 12 mayoral candidates! I would be happy with any of 5 of them, I just hope my top choice makes it into the runoff. I did some last minute studying last night for the school board races. We have a transportation bill and I really hope it passes. We need to improve public transportation in Atlanta and paying for the bill with a sales tax will force those who don’t live in the city limits but use our transportation to get to/from work to help pay for it.

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    sharl says:

    Hahahahaha, shitty pizza from shitty CEOs for shitty people.

    Papa John’s Pleads For Nazis to Not Buy Their Pizza After Getting Embraced by Daily Stormer https://t.co/BvAyLomq7n pic.twitter.com/VPJX0SXu0r— Mediaite (@Mediaite) November 6, 2017

    Details from The Root:

    Papa John’s Now the Official ‘Pizza’ of Nazis, According to Nazis

    After Papa John’s blamed the NFL players protests for its lagging pizza sales, the Daily Stormer quickly caped for its trash-ass “pizza.” (For the uninitiated, the Stormer is a site rife with neo-Nazis and white supremacists that, coincidentally, can’t keep The Root’s name out of its mouth.)

    Last week, Papa John’s founder John Schnatter told his company’s investors that “the NFL has hurt Papa John’s shareholders,” adding that the controversy around the NFL national anthem protests over racial injustice “is polarizing the customer, polarizing the country.” Schnatter also faulted NFL executives for showing a “lack of leadership” over the issue.

    The Stormer embraced Papa John’s for its anti-protest stance and dubbed the soggy cardboard pies the “official pizza of the ‘alt-right.’” As Newsweek reports, the story was accompanied with a photo of a pizza with a pepperoni-slice swastika on top along with the caption, “Sieg Heil Pizza.”

    According to Newsweek, the Stormer article also blasted the NFL for its “anti-white agenda.”

    It isn’t just avowed Nazis and white nationalists who have committed themselves to stuffing their faces with garbage. Jack Posobiec, a Donald Trump stan and walking dumpster, proudly displayed the Papa John’s pizza buffet that was his wedding-rehearsal dinner.

    Congrats on that new market penetration, dood!

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    Emma says:

    After reading a number of apocalyptic ‘IF WE DON’T WIN VIRGINIA CTHULHU IS ENTHRONED FOREVER AAAAIIIIIEEEEE’ posts, it occurs to me — as it’s probably known to many of you, but I am sometimes politically dense — that the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is that after a failure they soldier on while we go into spasms of self-recrimination, internal warfare, and nihilistic despair.

    We have internalized the New York Times’ opinion of us.

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    germy says:

    Don't read polls. Just vote like your candidate will lose by ONE if you don't.— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 6, 2017

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    rikyrah says:

    @sharl:
    He played himself. Actually, He and Jerry Jones played themselves.
    Haven’t liked that mofo since he whined about Obamacare.😠😠

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    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    He really is. It’s, dare I say, deplorable. Every single Republican official should loudly condemn his campaign but they are too corrupt and cowardly to do the right thing.

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    Baud says:

    @Emma: Agree. Despite everything, they are better leaders than we are.

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    germy says:

    The Keith Knight comic strip above.

    Keith is a Black cartoonist. Has the syndicate colorist decided to render him caucasian?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud:

    they are better leaders than we are.

    And what have they accomplished in the past year?

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    eclare says:

    @rikyrah: I remember that, wasn’t it something like .25 per pizza to offer healthcare to employees?

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Wining the White House and holding onto Congress.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @sharl:

    The Trump administration is seen as erratic.

    Seen as erratic….Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….wheeze….Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Good morning all, as I clean up my keyboard. Funniest understatement ever.

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    Emma says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @OzarkHillbilly: Other than embolden the crazy and make Democrats befoul themselves in public? Nothing much.

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    Quinerly says:

    Someone may have already posted this. I’ve been out of the loop for several days. Carter Page testimony. http://www.businessinsider.com.....17-11?op=1

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Humboldtblue:

    Yes, motherfucker it is, it’s working pretty fucking well in fact…Go ahead and sign up for some shitty insurance and then watch them jack up your premium by a thousand percent.

    Link please.

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    gene108 says:

    @Baud: @Emma:

    There is a lot of money propping Republicans up. The TEA Party protests were launched by a rant from a CNBC reporter in February 2009 and when the the Taxed Enough Already protests happened on April 15, 2009, they were a lot less well attended than many anti-Iraq war protests, which the media ignored, but Fox News gave them 24/7 wall-to-wall coverage making the most seem bigger than they were and increasing the scope of people, who would see the message. Then the Koch brothers and others started creating local TEA Party groups and created an Astro-turf movement to keep conservative voters engaged.

    There is no equivalent on the Left. To get the same level of attention the initial TEA Party protests got, the Women’s March had to be the largest protest ever.

    There are plenty of conservative billionaires, who are more than happy to spend their money tilt the politics of this country in their favor and they have been doing this for decades. There are no liberal billionaires. There is no one to offset this tilting of the playing field.

    I am personally surprised they are not more successful than they are.

    Edit: To understand the stranglehold conservatives have bought for themselves on politics, Russian interference favors only Republicans. I believe there were some bots spamming social media for Ed Gillespie. Yet no one dares asks, “why is Republican rule good for Russia? Why does Russia think Republican rule makes America weaker?” Because if the roles were reversed the big money would be raking Democrats over the coals about it.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: And they haven’t been able to do a damn thing with them. That kind of “leadership” causes ships to run aground.

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    rikyrah says:

    @eclare:
    Yep. Some ridiculous amount.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Unless our side is worse. We’ll get a better sense tonight.

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    rikyrah says:

    @gene108:
    They are successful because they hide their sociopathy. Because, when revealed, a majority of the people are repulsed.

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    Baud says:

    @gene108:

    I am personally surprised they are not more successful than they are.

    Yes. Me too. Still shocked Hillary won the popular vote given the efforts of our enemies. I’m just tired of the lack of focus and the own goals from people who should know better.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @Emma:

    After reading a number of apocalyptic ‘IF WE DON’T WIN VIRGINIA CTHULHU IS ENTHRONED FOREVER AAAAIIIIIEEEEE’ posts, it occurs to me — as it’s probably known to many of you, but I am sometimes politically dense — that the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is that after a failure they soldier on while we go into spasms of self-recrimination, internal warfare, and nihilistic despair.

    I could deal with that if only we’d paid a bit more attention to Virginia over the past month or two. But it seemed that most Dems – very much including the netroots – only woke up to this race maybe Friday or Saturday.

    It pisses me off because I was ready to contribute a nontrivial chunk of change to VA House of Delegates races, if anyone could have pointed me to any sort of ActBlue page or other list to somewhat winnow down which Dem challengers to give money to. (This fall has NOT been a time when I could have done that for myself.) That money’s still sitting in my bank account, dammitall, instead of helping some worthy candidates and doing my bit to turn Virginia blue.

    A friend of mine used to have a button saying, “showing up is 85% of life.” We didn’t show up for this one. Everyone was already thinking about 2018, and then about Doug Jones in Alabama (a worthy cause too, but there’s still 5 weeks to go), and everyone completely overlooked Virginia until it was too damn late.

    OK, so I started the recriminations early. My bad. But you’ve got to play to win.

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    Emma says:

    @gene108: Agreed completely. We were talking about the (horrible, no-good, I-don’t-know-what-they-were-thinking) DNC the other day. And I kept thinking that it could be the nucleus of a concerted push to reach the public. Let campaigns take care of fundraisers while the DNC goes after the young and the still accessible. Since we don’t seem to have the bear-daddies, we need to go around them. We need to go local, burrow in. We are too focused on superstar races.

    Actually, we could do — are doing — much worse than to hand commenter Kay the keys to the kingdom and let her go to it.

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    gene108 says:

    @rikyrah:

    I disagree. As long as Democrats are seen as a Party that favors Those People over white people, Republicans can be pretty open about being sociopaths these days.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Immanentize: Same here, in Haverhill (other parts of the town are replacing a retiring state rep, but I’m not in that district). These people probably have more direct effect on my life than many high-profile politicians, but it’s hard to find out anything about them other than that they’re hard-working family people who are for good things and against bad things.

    I poked around a little on Facebook and the Web and at least figured out who were the most probable Republicans to avoid, and who seemed like a crank shouting from the peanut gallery. But I don’t have a complete slate of nine candidates for City Council who I’m comfortable voting for; I got up to about six. At least I’m not voting completely stochastically.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Baud: Still early days for Trump. It’s easy to forget that Trump only been in office 10 months! The way I see it, it won’t be tell after the one year mark before the public in general stops seeing Trump as new to office and looks at him more critically.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: What happens in VA is just that. I’m not gonna get all worked up over it.

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    clay says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Cheryl, I just read your Twitter thread, and reading Carter Page’s testimony made my head hurt. I’m not blaming you, per se, but…

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    We’ll see. We should take back New Jersey at least.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @sharl: High crime and poor economic performance of Virginia? He’s not even trying to know anything about anything.

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    Baud says:

    @Matt McIrvin: He’s echoing Gillespie’s campaign.

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    Quinerly says:

    Interesting read from The Guardian on Bannon and Mercer money: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/07/steve-bannon-bermuda-robert-mercer

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @Citizen_X:

    How about I mail you the letter announcing my rate hike from Anthem. It went from $180 per month to $918, so if you can find a link in that good fucking luck.

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    sharl says:

    @Matt McIrvin: It’s possible he’s just being an erratic spazz – a common thing with him – or maybe he was asked by Gillespie and folks like Steve Bannon to keep the base sufficiently enthusiastic to vote.

    The GOP base in VA is in the southwest and most of the Appalachian part of the state, and (if I recall correctly) rural areas well away from the big cities. Like rural economies in so much of the country, those areas do generally have lagging economies, so maybe that message will work there. At the very least it acknowledges the existence of their plight, which I suppose would help to the extent that those folks feel – rightly or wrongly – abandoned by Democratic state (Governor) leadership in Richmond.
    There are enough VA people here who would know far better than me. I’m in neighboring Maryland, but the geographic proximity belies how different MD and VA politics are at the state level.

    ETA: and the MS-13 & crime business appeals to rural and suburban/exurban racism too, so there’s also that dogwhistle to the base.

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    bluefoot says:

    Went to vote this morning in my city just north of Boston. No line, but a steady stream of people which is encouraging since it’s a local election only. There was a young woman outside collecting signatures for putting a $15 minimum wage and paid family leave on the ballot. Everyone she stopped was willing to sign. I’m a grumpy old person, but it made my morning to see her out there, fighting the good fight.

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    Just back from voting where I was handed an info sheet on Iowa’s new voter ID law, set to go into effect next year. As voter ID laws go, it’s not as bad as I feared. The state is going through its data bases of registered voters and licensed drivers or holders of non-operator IDs. If a voter doesn’t have one of the IDs, the state will automatically send them a voter ID next month.

    I don’t know how this affects registration.

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    sharl says:

    @Quinerly: Devos to resign?

    Let’s hope so! I didn’t retweet that stuff when I saw it, because I noticed that the Politico source article didn’t emphasize that bit of speculation in either the article or their twitter feed. So I’ll just wait and hope; hard to imagine a worse person in that office (that’s not a challenge, Loki!).

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    Miss Bianca says:

    Voted against the recall of our county commissioners. Now on to the “hope and pray” part – as in. “I hope and pray that these far-right wackaloons who have infiltrated our county will be handed a resounding defeat.”

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    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    @Matt McIrvin: Try watching/listening to this candidates forum. I did this for a City Council runoff out here in Pasadena, back in March (wow, that seems like a LIFETIME ago) and while it’s time consuming, it was very helpful.

    PS- howdy former-neighbor (I grew up in Topsfield.)

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    The way I see it, it won’t be tell after the one year mark before the public in general stops seeing Trump as new to office and looks at him more critically.

    The genera public with critical evaluation skills! Knee slapper!!!

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    Mike in NC says:

    Just came from voting for mayor and town council, despite seeing a deceptive email (deleted) promoting a “meet the candidates” event to take place on November 10. WTF? Ratfucking at the lowest level?

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    Another Scott says:

    NotLarrySabato on the Virginia election today:

    (((Ben Tribbett)))‏ @notlarrysabato

    Got a ways to go, but from morning turnout Ralph Northam is on track to beat McAuliffe, Kaine and Warner wins as Governor. Biggest since 85.

    7:48 AM – 7 Nov 2017

    Good! But we really need to run up the score and flip as many House of Delegate seats as we can.

    Pour it on!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Another Scott: great news. Keep voting, sane Virginia.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    The economy is about as good as it’s going to be and his poll numbers keep going down.

    Shades of 2006 in the wind. Next year’s economic numbers are shaping up to be….less then optimal.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I just got home from early in the week errands, grocery and such. So I know this thread has been quiet since noon or so, but still…

    I worked with a guy who confided to me that he changed his career to meet more women, from TV Broadcast engineer to X-Ray Equipment engineer, meeting lots of radiology techs and some nurses. He also told me (I NEVER saw it) that he had a tattoo of a butterfly on his male organ (aka penis). As an ice breaker. “Would you like to see my butterfly tattoo?”

    OMG!!!

    If you weren’t an attractive woman he was a nice guy… I dunno how he was to women, probably pretty polite and attentive, this was 40 years ago before the Red Pill was published. Wife and kids too….

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