Open Thread: Richard Spencer, Public Emergency

Richard Spencer is a slimy opportunist who jumped on the “us whites are an imperiled minority” gravy train when Trump’s candidacy demonstrated there was an opening for other grifters. The half-bright cowards and losers who draft into his tailwind can actually be dangerous. Per the Washington Post, “‘Kill them’: Three men charged in shooting after Richard Spencer speech”:

About 90 minutes after Richard Spencer’s speech Thursday at the University of Florida — which generated so much controversy that the governor declared a state of emergency days before the event — a silver Jeep pulled up to six to eight protesters near a bus stop and confronted them, according to Gainesville Police Department spokesman Sgt. Ben Tobias.

The men, whom police identified as white nationalists, threatened the group, making Nazi salutes and shouting chants about Hitler, police said.

One of the people in the group, who were in their 20s and heading home after protesting, hit the Jeep with a baton. It pulled over.

Tyler Tenbrink, 28, of Richmond, Tex., jumped out with a gun, authorities said. According to the Alachua County sheriff’s arrest report, Colton Fears, 28, and William Fears, 30, of Pasadena, Tex., encouraged Tenbrink to shoot, yelling, “I’m going to f—— kill you,” “Kill them” and “Shoot them.”

Tenbrink fired a single shot that missed the people, police said, and hit a nearby building…

Three guys with guns, versus ‘six to eight’ protestors — truly, the flower of white manhood.

Spencer’s publicity grab seems to have gone off about as expected. Lois Beckett, in the Guardian:

The white supremacist Richard Spencer took the stage at the University of Florida on Thursday after his supporters threatened to sue if he was not allowed to speak.

But minutes after he began to talk, the majority of the crowd of hundreds in the auditorium stood together, raised their fists, and started chanting “Go home, Spencer! Go home, Spencer!”

For the next hour, most of the crowd stayed standing, booing and chanting over Spencer’s remarks as he angrily compared the crowd to a mob and to “immature preschoolers who aren’t ready for ideas that might get a bit challenging”.

“You can’t hide,” the audience chanted back at him, “You support genocide!”

Over the screams and boos, Spencer answered a series of audience questions but spent much of his time berating the crowd, many of them University of Florida students, for heckling him.

“You are trying to shut down a dissident intellectual,” Spencer told the roaring crowd. He reproached them for not appreciating “the most important free speech event of your lifetime”.

At one point, Spencer did a quick little caper onstage, dancing along to the chants against him and waving his arms sardonically…

Spencer is Sideshow Dick — except the Simpsons cartoon character had better writers.

… Law enforcement officials wearing riot gear and helmets watched the raucous auditorium from balconies on either side of the stage. The event was overwhelmingly peaceful, with what appeared to be only a handful of arrests related to the event, though local law enforcement had yet to release full details by the time Spencer finished speaking.

More than 500 protesters had amassed outside the event, chanting and waving anti-Nazi and anti-racist signs. One teacher from Gainesville held a large piece of paper that read “Remember Heather Heyer”. Two students held a sign that said “Get out of my swamp”. Many protesters carried signs or wore stickers that showed the Nazi swastika crossed out.

The university’s president said that providing security for Spencer to speak had cost more than $600,000, and long lines of state and local law enforcement officers surrounded the Phillips Center, which was cordoned off behind elaborate barricades. A long list of items that could be used as weapons, from firearms to sporting equipment, posters with sticks to water bottles, were forbidden from being brought into the protest…

I don’t punch people — or I’d never stop. But, to quote Chris Rock, I can understand the impulse…






50 replies
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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Thems guys is scary!

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Thems guys is scary!

    Take their guns away and they are just whiny little chickenshits.

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    Uncle Omar says:

    The one on the right (as we look at them) looks as though he shot up his meth and his buddies’, too.

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    Eric U. says:

    they are suing Penn State because the Pres. Barron announced Spencer wouldn’t be allowed to speak here. Hopefully they stick with that.

    I had to delete my twitter account. I logged on yesterday, and the whole gold start family debacle just pissed me off so much I decided deletion was the best option.

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    Arclite says:

    Whatever happened to the guy that fired his gun at Charlottesville? Was he ever arrested?

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    debbie says:

    @Eric U.:

    They’re also suing Ohio State.

    These doughy clowns are pathetic. Even Hitler would be embarrassed

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    FB friend cried out for help. I asked a mutual friend what was going on with her. He casually mentioned “custody battle because of her drug problems.”

    I had no idea. How could I have not had any idea? I feel really stupid and unobservant.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Felonius Monk:

    True, but they have these FACES….

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    @Felonius Monk:

    Take their guns away and they are just whiny little chickenshits.

    That’s the kind of person who is scariest when they’re armed. They get guns because they’re terrified of everything, which makes them far more likely to use those guns than somebody who’s self-confident.

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    rikyrah says:

    Yesterday, 21% of Puerto Ricans had power.
    Today, 12% Do.

    The Federal Government’s Incompetence + Racism Is KILLING THESE AMERICAN CITIZENS.😠😠😠

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    debbie says:

    You can’t hide,” the audience chanted back at him, “You support genocide!”

    I like, “This is what democracy looks like!” a whole lot better.

    Also

    “You are trying to shut down a dissident intellectual,” Spencer told the roaring crowd.

    That’s the last thing I’d ever call Richard Spencer.

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    @SiubhanDuinne: A lot of people are really good at hiding their problems from the outside world, whether it’s drugs, depression, or any number of other issues. In particular, a lot of people overestimate how much drugs interfere with many people’s ability to function from day to day. For most people who develop problems with them, they’re not a problem until they’re a problem, if that makes sense. And of course, people who are clinically depressed are perfectly capable of putting on a sunny façade, which they are encouraged to do by our societal stigmas against mental illness and expressing (some) emotions in public.

    In short, it’s not your fault for not noticing. People usually only let us know what they want us to know about themselves.

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    MomSense says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Oh no! She will need lots of support, professional help, and hope that she can have a healthy future with her children.

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    @SiubhanDuinne: don’t be too hard on yourself, Subaru, those are things people go out of their way to hide.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    Was an adjunct at the U of FL 65-66. It was a very different world for me. Learned Gainesville has 4 syllables.

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    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    It’s an outrage. They are literally abandoning millions of American citizens.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    FB friend cried out for help. I asked a mutual friend what was going on with her. He casually mentioned “custody battle because of her drug problems.”

    Any chance the mutual friend could be repeating unverified info — rumors spread by an angry ex, shall we say?

    No way for me to judge, but I understand there’s lots of women get blindsided by bad-mommy accusations during custody fights, and when they protest, they get slammed again because ‘see we told you she was a hysterical lying unfit beeyotch’…

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    JCJ says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Good evening MMMM. I know you like drawing and I thought you might be interested in a movie I saw this week. It is called “Loving Vincent.” It was a story set after Van Gogh’s death. The movie was illustrated with Van Gogh style artwork. It was quite different animation.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Arclite: He was arrested in Baltimore in August:

    A 52-year-old Baltimore man has been arrested and charged with firing a gun at the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., earlier this month.

    Richard Wilson Preston was arrested Saturday in Maryland and charged with discharging a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school during the Aug. 12 rally, Charlottesville police said. Preston fired a gun in the 100 block of West Market Street, police said in a news release.

    Court records list his address in the 5800 block of Cedonia Ave. in the Northeast Baltimore neighborhood of Cedmont. He was identified in news reports as imperial wizard of a Ku Klux Klan chapter in Maryland.

    In 2013, a man named Richard Preston who identified himself as imperial wizard of the Baltimore-area Confederate White Knights told The Baltimore Sun that the organization was not racist at its origins, saying that it lost its way during the civil rights era of the 1960s.

    “There was a lot of conflict,” he said. “It gave the Klan a very bad name.”

    Preston was arrested Saturday on a fugitive warrant issued in Virginia. He was being held at the Baltimore County Detention Center. Nobody answered the door at his home Sunday. There was no lawyer listed for him in Maryland online court records.

    […]

    Charlottesville police said two more men have been arrested in connection with the rally. Daniel Patrick Borden, 18, was charged with malicious wounding and is in custody in Cincinnati. Alex Michael Ramos was charged with malicious wounding. His last known residence was Marietta, Ga.

    Police also said Saturday they have now identified 35 people who were injured when a car plowed into a crowd on Aug. 12, killing a woman.

    James Alex Fields Jr. faces second-degree murder charges for allegedly driving a car into counter-protesters and killing Heather Heyer. He has been in custody since the day of the rally.

    The poor, poor, misunderstood Klan. :-/

    I haven’t seen anything about a trial for him (or the others).

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    It’s certainly possible, although doesn’t fit with what I know of any of the principals, including Mutual Friend. Staying out of it for the time being; prepared to reach out as a friend when and as appropriate.

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    @JCJ: well thanks, I’ll have to look it up.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))):

    Thank you. I’m sure you’re right — in fact, I know you are (I’m pretty good at hiding my own issues from the outside world, just would have thought I’d be better at picking up signals from other people). But I’m not beating myself up. If she needs me, I’ll be there for her.

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    EBT says:

    One of the guys arrested is the What About the Memes guy who got his ass kicked a few months ago.
    https://twitter.com/wyatt_privilege/status/921493453250363392

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @MomSense:

    I hope so. She’s not a close friend, but I’ve always liked her, adore her two little boys, and was saddened when she and her husband split.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Oh My Disney did a DMV takeover with sloths for International Sloth Day and it’s really frickin’ adorable.

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    El Caganer says:

    @MomSense: Trump doesn’t care because (a) they aren’t white, so he hates them, and (b) they can’t vote in presidential elections, so he can ignore them.

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    Betsy says:

    Best part?

    “The chant that drove Spencer up the wall was when we broke into the call/response of ORANGE…BLUE. It went on for 10 minutes.”

    Go Gators

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    lamh36 says:

    Reposting cause everyone needs to see it and smile!

    OH MY GOD!!! How much do I love that HRC went on Graham Norton!

    I love the Graham Norton Show!

    Ugh…Obama yesterday, HRC today…makes me so sad to remember what we had and what we COULD have had instead of this shit show that is DJT

    https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/921490434064498689

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: Fun to watch her curse. I agree completely.

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: From BJ. I don’t know why it seems I haven’t seen your comments in a while. Could be my poor memory.

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    kindness says:

    As many of the WWII veterans have died off Nazis have come creeping back into the light. My father & uncle fought in that one. They never would have tolerated Nazis. And they were Republicans.

    Funny how things have changed. Now it’s the President playing his version of Abbie Hoffman.

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    @Baud: I’ve mostly been doing mornings and later nights.

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    @Felonius Monk: Cosplay Nazis. It’s the ones who don’t march around who we should keep an eye on, like the cretin who left the nail bomb in the airport.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @kindness: How can you compare Abbie Hoffman, who was on the right side of history, and funny, with (shudder) Trump?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @lamh36:

    I think he said that Courtney Love’s long-term complaints were bullshit, but I also suspect that she’s telling the truth and that’s why he hit on her — she’s so well known to be crazy that everyone ignored her, just like they ignored the equally crazy Rose McGowan and Asia Argento, even though McGowan’s claim was solid enough to get her a settlement.

    I read Nyong’o’s essay and found it completely plausible. She has much greater credibility than he does, which is another reason he’s trying to hit back at her.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @lamh36:

    Also, too, given that Nyong’o said in her essay that he did not understand her total refusal to work with him after she was an established actress, I also find it plausible that he does, in fact, remember things differently, because he’s a serial rapist and doesn’t think he did anything wrong.

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    frosty says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I just had a similar experience at a work meeting. “How are things?” “Oh, my youngest is failing (health) my husband was diagnosed with cancer and I’m getting a divorce.”

    We went on with the meeting.

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    Original Lee says:

    Grrrr. So tired of being No True Scotsman’d by alleged friends of a friend. I guess that’s what I get for trying to inject a few facts into a discussion amongst Trumpista Flying Monkeys. Basically getting old, the whole dance of them calling me a liar and then turning around when I call them out on it, “Oh, I’d never call you a liar. But your source is fake (or false, or mistaken, or otherwise wrong). The last one was about the location of the raid in Niger. “Oh, honey, that atlas [from 1980] was from before Google Earth. It’s not accurate any more.”

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    Ruckus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Remember the young guy I worked with that was found dead in his car on Thursday? It was a lot worse than we thought and our best guess of why wasn’t the reason. I talked with my boss this morning and am not going to discuss this online any further, other than to say it wasn’t good at all.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Mnemosyne: Those GIFs need the opening of Sam Fuller’s The Naked Kiss. Look it up if you don’t know it already.

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    some guy says:

    @Betsy:

    It was my pleasure. and my niece saw me on her twitter feed, and I finally made that girl proud.

    was louder than the south endzone of the Swamp in there. Fuck Nazis.

    PS: the arresting officer was Sgt Diaz of the ASO. hee indeedy!

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    opiejeanne says:

    Nothing to see. My mistake.

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    Shalimar says:

    It seems simpler to make them pay for security than outright preventing them from speaking. Let them challenge that in court. Spencer has enough family money that he doesn’t need a job, but he isn’t paying $600k to speak to 20 supporters and a few hundred protesters.

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    Interrobang says:

    That DPRK News tweet is the funniest thing I’ve seen all day and then some. Bang on!

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